>Go to store >See nice pair of shoes >the box has a

>>388747938
Sure but where's the part where the shoes fill up with concrete when you try to wear them?

>buy a pair of shoes
>go home
>the box the shoes came in will sometimes randomly lock and prevent you from wearing them even despite being a paying customer
>there's a chance years down the line the shoes will simply cease to function as shoes because the shoemaker has moved on to newer shoes

>>388747938
that's a fucking stupid metaphor and you know it
in your case, you could only use the shoes in populated areas or being forced to carry your id because the police might stop you to make sure those shoes are really yours

Once I buy the shoes I don't need to be connected to the internet in order to wear them. I also don't have to sign a contract saying I don't actually own my shoes even though I bought them and the shoe maker can just take them away from me at will. Your analogy is dumb OP.

>>388748081
Clearly you have never been to Baltimore if you don't think police won't stop someone who has nice shoes

>>388747938
can you please rearrange this as a food analogy so I can understand it

>>388748173
Then why are you even using Steam? Why not use another service, they exist you know

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>tfw dont even know how to pirate a game because I'm not poor

> Go to imageboard
> See a discussion of DRM practices
> The discussion foolishly draws a false equivalency between material goods and software
> Leave

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>>388747938
>want to buy a juicer
>go to store
>buy this 800$ device
>have to be connected to the internet and input a QR code every time I want a drink
>none of this was disclosed during purchase
>no refunds
>internet goes off
>want a drink
>die from dehydration

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>>388747938
The majority of issues with pirating and DRMs would be resolved if free demos with sufficient enough gameplay and time were presented for the populace. And I'm not talking neutered demo shit, I mean the actual game by a certain length of time (a chapter or two, an hour or two's worth).

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>>388748363
that explains a lot why retards like you get so mad at pirates

>tfw know how to pirate regardless of my income because I'm not technologically illiterate

>>388747938
Is this bait? The cashier takes off the anti theft tags when you buy them. Do developers take off denuvo after you buy the game?

>>388748514
Do they take off steam licenses? Why is one form of "DRM" okay, but another isn't?

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>>388747938
>a program to prevent any unauthorized acquisitions
The fuck? This is the first time I've heard of DRM that does this. Some new Denuvo version?

>>388748242
Why do you think it's exclusive to steam? It doesn't matter what service you use, EVERY EULA says you don't own your game.

>>388748215
>walk into subway
>make me a sub
>get sub and walk out of store
>can't eat sub cause I have lock jaw
>give sub to cat
>subway chases me
>oh no
>where am I
>voted for subway
>subway doesn't have American cheese
>get a meatball instead
>for you
>denovu says "no"
>here I am

>>388748639
Because steam "DRM" is easily cracked and doesn't enforce an always online requirement for single player games. If you're argument is "there's no difference between Denuvo and Steam" you're dumb af.

>>388748448
The majority of issues with pirating and drm would be resolved if people were sane and stopped trying to fit a square peg in a round hole. Every single computer can perfectly recreate and pass on data. Trying to make money off distribution of code is literally insane.
Copyright laws are also to blame, more specifically disney's rape of them.

>>388747938
I don't understand
can you put that in reference of food?

>>388748363
>download some torrent program
>google [game] torrent
>download it
>open it
>torrent starts downloading your game
I came to laugh at you

>>388748857
>>388748770

>>388748056
>>388748068
>>388748081
>>388748173
>>388748414
>>388748448
>>388748514
>entitled poorfags pirate game
>act surprised when companies try to stop it
>HURR WHY THE FUCK IS DENUVO HERE OH MY GOD?!
>ILL JUST PIRATE IT IN A WEEK >:(

Pirate fags are the fucking worse and if they didn't exist we wouldn't have broken anti-piracy shit like this in our games. Get a god damn job or save up money like a decent human being instead of stealing the content that people spent months working on.

This is YOUR fault, faggots.

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>>388748770
>walk into subway
>board the train normally because I'm not an American who sees everything as food

>>388748175
I'm not a nigger so no, I'm not likely to have stolen the nice shoes I wear.

>>388748986
This explain that story a lot better

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>>388747938
>shoe requires you to be online all the time to use it

>>388748976
Hey did you know that in 10 years every single one of your Denuvo games that you paid for will be unplayable while I'll still play them because my games are cracked and don't have Denuvo?

>>388748986
>walk into five guys
>ask for a cheese burger
>they get mad start pushing me around
>confused
>realize I'm actually having sex
>write a blog
>sue 5 guys
>wait make it 4
>where's my burger

>>388748835
>Haha why won't they just release games for free

>>388748976
I buy all my games, you cum-gargling faggot. I'm saying that if demos weren't shit or were presented to the general public, then it would help.

>>388749138
Considering it hasn't been around for 10,years did you know that I don't give a fuck faggot

>>388748173
>>388749130
Not being able to play offline is a tradeoff for having the game on PC, where piracy is out of control. Don't like it? Don't play it. There are plenty of other games that let you play offline to your heart's content.

>>388749138
[citation needed] even gfwl games work fine

>>388749168
Yeah GOG exists and is very successful anon. Did you know The Witcher 3 is DRM-free and has sold over 4 million copies on PC?

>>388748857
>go to restaurant
>order food
>eat food
>leave without paying

>go to pirate bay
>download game
>play game
>uninstall without paying

>go to steam
>purchase game
>try to play
>online required
>go online, try to play again
>account required
>Facebook sign in required
>blood, urine, and hair sample required
>complete arcane ritual of verification
>try to play game
>server maintenance, try again later

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>>388749145
>walk into five guys
>get beat up because there's 5 of them and only 1 of me
>still didn't think of them as burgers because I'm not American

>buy games with no DRM
>pirate games with DRM
>specifically never stop seeding if it's Denuvo
Comfiest combination tbqh.

>>388749312
Now, how many were sold on steam vs GOG?

>>388748448
>The majority of issues with pirating and DRMs would be resolved if free demos with sufficient enough gameplay and time were presented for the populace. And I'm not talking neutered demo shit, I mean the actual game by a certain length of time (a chapter or two, an hour or two's worth).

This is false. See: Games with demos like you mentioned and how badly they get pirated.

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>>388748976
>you can't legally purchase games AND be annoyed at intrusive drm

Stop being poor and just buy the fucking games.

>>388749375
Why does it matter? Everyone who bought it on Steam can get a DRM-free copy through GOG Connect.

>>388749168
>keep trying and failing to make data non-infinite
>REEEE FUCK YOU PIRATEFAGS
find a different business model intead of destroying your own product you fucking moron

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>>388747938
>>388748976

you mad OP? Sonic Mania has an UNLOCKED torrent for those who are of higher breed like myself.

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>>388749430
How about I keep pirating them and you keep shitting yourself on 4chan over something you have no control over?

>>388749357
>walk into Dominos
>some guys get mad
>took them 4 hours to set it up
>try to orde a pizza
>they are angrier
>kick the Dominos again
>sit at home for 4 hours
>where's my pizza

>>388748056
/thread

>>388749462
Yeh they're crying their eyes out because they only made millions upon millions of dollars in profits thanks to """""destroying""""" their game

>>388749598
>they only made millions upon millions of dollars in profits
Do you have proof this was because of Denuvo?

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>>388749558
>walk into Dominos
>they all fall over
>don't eat them because I'm not American

>>388747938
why do you eat shoes?

>>388749657
It's right next to the proof that Denuvo has hurt developer and publisher bottom lines

>>388749168
Because companies need profit from investments.

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>>388747938

>>388749751
Because OP has down syndrome

>>388749837
What is the origin of this gif?

>>388749817
So you don't have any actual proof they made millions upon millions of dollars in profits thanks to Denuvo. Thanks for clearing that up.

>>388747938
will you fuck off with that emoji?

>>388748363
>download fitgirl repack
>launch setup.exe
>game installed and ready to play

>>388749931
Felix Colgrave
Double King

>>388749948
Just like you don't have proof that Denuvo has been a detriment to developers and publishers!

>>388749689
>starving
>haven't ate in 24 hours due to getting kicked out of the subway, beat up by 5 guys and knocking over Dominos
>one last chance to eat before my cankles give out
>can't think of another restaurant for my shit post
>die

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>shoes cease to function after 2.5 years
>normal population sees this and has no problems
(because they're fucking brainwashed)
>pirates see this as an obvious human rights violation, and a market they can now capitalize on
(because they have to be intelligent to do the work they do)

>>388750064
Thanks. Something useful came out of denuvoshill thread.

>>388750268
>walk into 4chan
>expect quality from the worst board

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>>388750234
This might be the worst pro piracy argument I've ever seen

>>388750068
Actually there's more of a correlation suggesting it's a determent than a benefit, with Denuvo and sales of games with Denvuo being dramatically less than sales of their predecessors or non-Denuvo counterparts. Even if you refuse to accept that, Denuvo has been a determent to their end products as proven by the fact that legitimate customers can't play offline with the latest release.

So are you going to show any proof that Denuvo made game companies millions upon millions of dollars in profit? Or are you just going to keep deflecting.

>>388750325
>implying /v/ is worse than /vg/, /g/ or /r9k/ among others

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>>388748976
>everyone gives you arguments, worse or best, but arguments
>"HURR DURR YOU WRONG PURATE FAGS ME RIGHT, MUH ANALOGIES"

Kys Sega baby

>>388747938
>>388747938
>shoe somehow has an antenna that requires a connection to your local official modem
>as security measure uses an open bear trap wrapped around your leg
>walk into underground subway
>connection lost
>trap snaps closed and rips leg off

>>388750372
what, that the thing you paid for will eventually stop working while people who didn't pay for it will still use it?

>>388750423
/v/ is worse than /g/ and /r9k/, not even they are pathetic enough to shitpost against piracy and defend DRM on a daily basis. /vg/ is worse I agree.

>>388748665
A company can put literally anything in a EULA, it's only enforced by lawyers. You could literally start a company, release a product with a EULA, and put in their "you must suck in order to use this product" and "op is a faggot" and it would be entirely legitimate. Of course someone smart enough to actually read the EULA might challenge you in court over it, but again the only powers EULA have is the power given to them by lawyers.

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>>388750096
>starving to death in just 24 hours
As expected of an American.

388750557
>Shoes breaking down is a human rights violation

>>388750578
/g/ is literally /v/ with people shilling for AMD/Intel/Nvidia instead of consoles and /r9k/ is just a whiny /b/

>>388750372
With the exception of the last line, he's right. You don't have to be intelligent to pirate a game, but you are pretty much brainwashed if you accept buying ephemeral games that expire. Which normies are ignorant of.

>>388747938
Go to store
>See nice pair of shoes
>the box has a device on it to prevent any unauthorized acquisitions
>Once you buy the shoes you realize that they have a GPS permanently built in to them that can't be removed.
>Shoes make sure you only wear them within 100 miles of the store.
>If you want to wear them somewhere else, you have to rebuy the shoes.
>If you decide to wear the shoes more than 50 times, you have to call in and get them to reset the counter which may or may not work depending on whether they care about the shoes anymore and they believe that they are yours
>normal people would be ok with this

I got news for you buddy. "Gamers" aren't normal and no one who is would ever think this was ok which is why shoes don't have DRM on them.

>>388750705
It's a consumer rights violation yeah.

>>388750765
>>388750372
Sorry, I said "pirates" instead of "piracy groups", my bad. Or did you guys actually interpret me correctly, and you think it's EASY to beat Denuvo?

>>388750605
>Americans are fat
>Americans would starve in 24 hours

Europoors are too stupid to reconcile two memes. As expected.

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>>388748976
Oh wait pirating is a thing? Thanks anon I can get my games free now. Can you also tell me what else you're hurt about, so I can just take advantage of it?

>>388750958
What if Americans just eat a lot of fiber and have extremely efficient metabolism on top of eating compulsively enough to be fat?

>>388750581
Laywers matter more than you.
>A company can put literally anything in a EULA, it's only enforced by lawyers
And by the game company themselves, since they can ban your account or otherewise deactivate your game for any reason they see fit. The only way to circumvent this is to buy DRM free games, pirate them, or only buy console physical. Otherwise you don't own your games, you only bought a revocable "license" to play them.

>>388750581
>company puts "you must suck" in eula
>you're actually good
>cease and desist letter comes in
>they revoke your game license, no refund
>you aren't going to try to sue because that cost money and isn't worth it
>if you do actually bother suing you get blocked because you agreed to the binding arbitration clause in the eula

It's all fucking bullshit and skirting around nonsense like this is actually something I can't blame pirates for

>>388750748
>/r9k/ is just a whiny /b/
NO IT'S NOT
STOP FUCKING POSTING /B/ SHIT THERE I'M SICK AND TIRED OF RETARDS LIKE YOU WHO IGNORE BOARD CULTURE AND START SHITPOSTING ABOUT RANDOM AS FUCK CRAP

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TH-THIS TIME IT WONT BE CRACKED!!!

>>388750748
even at its worst /g/ is 100x better than /v/, which is a dedicated shill board. /r9k/ manages to be even less pathetic than /v/ which is basically a whiny hybrid of /b/ and /pol/ that hates its own hobby. /v/ is a fucking tumor and /vg/ is straight up cancer.

holy shit stop taking the bait you dumbasses

>>388751069
>Otherwise you don't own your games, you only bought a revocable "license" to play them
No you own the game. Didn't you read anything I said? EULA's are crap and mean literally nothing.
How about I make a contractual agreement right now, sneak in that everything you own is now mine, and have you sign it. Oops, looks like I own everything of yours now, tough titties pal. Don't like it you can talk to my lawyers.

>>388751339
>/r9k/ manages to be even less pathetic than /v/ which is basically a whiny hybrid of /b/ and /pol/ that hates its own hobby
Why the fuck do idiots like you think they know what /r9k/ is.

>>388750796
Don't forget about the occasional semen sample requirement every few days

Sure smells like shills in here

>>388747938
Could you explain this concept with a food metaphor? I won't get it otherwise.

>>388747938
>can only use the shoes in 5 seperate locations/day and after that you can't use them anymore

You forgot that part, shitposterkun.

>>388751519
Why the fuck do idiots like you think they know what /v/ is.

>open 4chan
>enter /v/
>"QR needed in order to acess this page"
>back to main page
>nothing being said about a QR protection to acess /v/
>mail admin
>said that was a feature added today
>ask why there is no info about it on main page
>be told the info now was uploaded
>refresh main page
>"In order to acess /v/, you must suck a bag of dicks, then imput a QR code. ATENTION: this is a /v/ only feature"
>strongly disagree
>QR reduces performance, so people can choose to bypass it
>i don't need to suck a bag of dicks to join /v/ now, neither imput a stupid QR
>normal population don't see a problem on that
>somehow, shills insist that sucking a bag of dicks is good for everyone
This is how stupid you corporate cucks sound.

>>388751421
>No you own the game.
NO you don't. If you buy a game with Denuvo, you don't own it. The whole point of DRM is to enforce the EULA that says you don't own your game. EULA's are crap and mean literally nothing when your game is DRM free whether cracked or by design, or you have a physical copy that isn't tied to an internet license.

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>>388751582
You know he's right, though.

>>388748976
You are a loving joke anon. I would tell you to kys, but you would probably end up doing it since you are so susceptible to external influence, and I don't want you on my conscience. Just stop be a retard and try to function like a normal human being

>>388751645
Not being able to play offline is a tradeoff for having the game on PC, where piracy is out of control. Don't like it? Don't play it. There are plenty of other games that let you play offline to your heart's content.

>>388747938
Bait but, false equivalence
It would be more like, after purchasing shoes within store have to scan receipt for shoes laces to tie or untie around feet.
Normies see this as normal and how its been done.

>>388748976
>want game
>pay money for it
>or get it for free
gee

>>388751703
But he's wrong. All I said is that /r9k/ is less pathetic than /v/, which is true.

>>388747938

>the box has a device on it to prevent any unauthorized acquisitions

They take that off after I buy the shoes.

This is like the clerk following me home to make sure I don't let anyone else wear the shoes.

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>>388751774
A tradeoff, lol.

>>388748056
Not happening if you have normal feet and not fat or decaying feet.

>>388747938
Yes, when you buy the shoes, the anti-theft device gets removed and you are free to do whatever the fuck you want with your shoes now, because THEY ARE YOURS
>lend them to a friend
>sell them
>wash them
>paint them, or customize them

With the video game, the anti-theft device ISN'T REMOVED and it will forever be attached to the video game, not only that it prevents some basic shit like
>lend it to a friend
>back it up
>mod it

Fuck off new neo/v

Itt: asspained poors eho never bought a game fail to understand drm

>>388747938
When you buy a new pair of shoes the device attached to it is removed and you can do whatever the fuck you want with those shoes.

Video game DRM is like a permanent device that's always attached to the shoe and they only work on your feet. You can't even change the shoe laces

>>388747938
You missed the part where you can't actually own the shoes, store employee can take your shoes if you break the rules anytime regardless if you paid full price for it.

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Thanks for testing and buying the game for me, kcmods.

>>388750871
Consumer rights don't exist

>>388751683
Yes you do you corporate cock sucker kike.
You can't "lease" ideas and you can't "lease" electricity and static charge.
Now I'd be more inclined to agree with you if you're not paying the full of a game and are paying in annual or monthly amounts. But you're not. So fuck off with your kike shit.
>>388751872
/r9k/ is also not a fucking /b/ derivative. You want to post random crap then go to >>>/b/ or >>>/trash/.

Only cuck beta fags pay for games t b h

>>388752404
Then neither do the rights of the creator
Copyright doesn't exist

>>388748976
Remember how securom made buyers life miserable while pirates played those games flawlessy? Or that you have to watch the dont download cars faggotry if you buy the dvd and pirates can watch the movie without annoying shit videos?

>>388752640
/v/ is /trash/ for posting random crap and corporate cocksucking apologists

>>388752727
Copyrights legally exist. Consumer rights do not.

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>>388750423
At least /vg/ actually talks about video games.

Also

>>388752640
If you don't like the terms of the EULA don't buy the game. If you buy games with DRM, you don't own them. Simple as that.

>>388748976
I don't even pirate stuff but your a moron. If Hotline Miami 2 had Denuvo it wouldn't be playable in places like Australia that ban those kinds of games and your forced to torrent them.

>>388753040
>Consumer rights don't legally exist
Fucking imbecile

>>388751774
So you agree with the EULA tems saying that any game you "own" actually isn't yours and can be taken away form you anytime, right?
This is a consumer right violation and you people don't even care.
Pirates aren't the problem. Special snowflakes like you that get mad at pirates are killing the industry.

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>borrow game from friend
>play it
>give it back to friend
>money given to devs: $0

>pirate game
>play it
>delete it
>money given to devs: $0

Uhm...???

>>388753271
They don't. There are measures in place in attempt to stop companies from scamming, but those are NOT legally defined as consumer rights

>>388753074
>At least /vg/ actually talks about video games.
Why the fuck do idiots like you think they know what /vg/ is.

>>388753271
They dont in usa where company is first and consumer is last

Basically you gotta thank the stores for letting you vive them your hard earned money

>>388752640
>Implying /trash/ isn't better then /v/
Lol /v/ is /pol/ at this point
>>388751703
It wasn't at all

>>388747938
>Whine and complain about Denuvo
>One of the easiest and most frequently cracked anti piracy software out there.

>>388753367
How did your friend get the game without giving developers and publishers money

>>388751998
Incredibly correct, I doubt these cocksuckers will see that. Makes me wonder if we can exploit these dumbasses further and take something from them.. Oh wait Denuevo already does That!

>>388753378
>>388753429
I don't care what they are "legally defined" as, laws like first sale doctrine are definitely facto consumer rights, and you are a giant corporate cocksucking kike if you think only companies have legal rights

>>388753542
How did the cracker get the game without giving developers and publishers money?

Is this kinda thread not what /biz/ is for?

>>388753602
>>>/r/The_Donald

>>388753108
Here's how it works retard.
You sell me a service at a flat fee, meaning I pay for the whole item up front, I fucking own it. Doesn't matter how many kike lawyers you send after my shekels to convince me otherwise. If you don't like it then you can go cry to your corporate masters about how I'm being such a bad goyim.

>>388753660
It's what /trash/ is for but /v/ is almost interchangeable with that board

>>388753774
See
>>388753715
We don't allow antisemitism in /v/

>>388749284
retard

>>388752640
>>388751186
/r9k/ up until ~2008 or so was literally /b/ with a repost filter, the whiny shit is a newfag trend

>>388753515
It's quite easy to figure out anon.

/v/ LOVES to be right, they love to argue about anything even if the matter at hand isn't that pressing or really matters at all.

Take TORtanic or gamer gate for example.

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>go to the movies
>pirate film

>>388753980
>Paid to let other people see the movie for free

>>388753378
In Norway consumer rights exist. Stay fucked amerifags

>>388754130
>buy game to lend it to my friends so they don't have to buy their own copies

How is that any different?

>>388753419
>go to hearthstone general.
>any post you pick out will be talking about either one of threel things. Feet,druids,or meta
>all diffrent factors of the game.

Yeah its a board about discussing specific video games.

>>388754226
>Buy shoes
>Borrow shoes to friends.
>He has the shoes now, I don't

>Buy game
>Make copy of game
>Lend copy to friend

There is a difference.

>>388749138
Hey did you know that in 10 years I'll have the crack too, but you'll still be a degenerate scum-sucking shit-slurping semen-savoring fucknut?

>>388754145
>In my irrelevant backwater shithole-

>>388747938
I don't have a qualm with pirating, though I tend to avoid primarily for 2 reasons; I don't trust some motherfucker to not put viruses with w/e I'm downloading, and I feel a lack of commitment if I got it so frivolously.

>>388754380
>buy shoes
>make copy of shoes using materials I own
>this is ok

>buy string of 1s and 0s
>copy them using bits which I own
>this is not OK

>>388754505
You've now spent more money to make the second pair of shoes, and bought the appropriate machinery as well

>>388754481
>still near Richest happiest place on Earth
Bwahahaha cry more faggot.

>>388752941
He's too young to remember Securom and Starforce. And that Starforce protected games are now unplayable on modern OS, while their cracked versions are.

>>388754624
and?

>>388754485
>viruses
>too lazy to copy and move files
Fucking brainlet

>>388749138
Dude, most people on /v/ will be lucky to make it 10 years.

>>388754624
I've also spent money to have appropriate machinery that can store and copy 1s and 0s.

>>388754669
You still also broke copyright laws.

>>388753515
it's mostly baiting and making fun of the "OMG CRACK WHEN" shit-tier pirates, which they totally deserve

>>388754505
Actually it is not ok if you sell those shoes, and it might be not ok if you tell your friend it's the real deal. But I see your point, seems reasonable that you should be able to lend your faked shoes for free to your buddy for personal use.

>>388753378
Even in South America consumer rights exists.
What the fuck man, what kind of shithole is USA now?

>>388754714
and?

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>>388753515
>implying pirates are complaining and not beta testers that unironically buy gaems from steam

>>388748068
Add in:
>thieves just disable the box and wear the shoes
>this leaves only the honest consumer as anyone who feels any sort of penalty

>>388748056
Denuvo has literally 0 issues.
You literally have to proof of loss of performance in denuvo games.

>>388750581
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2010/09/the-end-of-used-major-ruling-upholds-tough-software-licenses/

>>388749007
You don't know Baltimore.
You'll get shanked by crack heads from every race.

>>388747938
Denuvo is still relevant?

>>388754714
no one in their right mind would conflate that with stealing shoes from the store

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>>388751760
>You are a loving joke anon
aww

the device on the shoebox doesnt slowly wear down and ruin your jeans

>>388753934
>We
Oh that's right, forgot I was on /v/eddit.

>>388755153
Woah anon, where did you put those goalposts?

>>388754346
>Hesrthstone general
>not 95% shitposting

Good joke anon

>>388754940
Cant play games offline.

I have like 3 Denuvo games and had literally zero issues caused by this.

Hey guys OP here, thanks for the (You)s. I got my daily fill in just one thread!. Don't forget to stop by tomorrow as well, lads.

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>Go to store
>See nice pair of shoes sitting deep back in a display window
>3inch bullet-proof glass window with alarms prevents any unauthorized acquisitions
>ask to purchase those shoes
>guy goes outback and comes back with box containing "those" shoes
>open box at home
>each shoe has been cut in half with the other half missing
>go back to the store to complain
>"Those are you shoes you asked for, sir. Problem?

>>388747938
>>Normal population sees this and has no problem
That's because they take off the device upon purchase. This isn't the case with Denuvo.

>>388753948
/v/ up until ~2008 actually discussed video games, the reddit shit is a newfag trend.

>>388755271
I never moved them, and I'm not the anon you were responding to. My point is that violating copyright isn't equivalent to stealing like OP and several others ITT implied

>>388755451
I've never had a game cut in half

>>388747938
One removes the original the ither doesn't.

>go to shoestore
>tell the clerk I'd like to buy a pair of shoes
>he hands me some shoes
>"Dude there are two thumbtacks sticking out of the heels, if I put these shoes on I'll fucking stab my feet when I walk"
>"Those are just an anti-theft device"
>"Oh so you'll take them out after I buy the shoes then?
>"No"

>>388755557
Consumer rights don't exist. Enjoy your half shoes

>>388748415

So how did you not die from dehydration before you got the juicer?

Dumbfuck.

>>388753542
>>388753627
hmm

>>388755929
I'll get my refund, as store policy is 7 day open box refunding, and buy my shoes elsewhere

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>being a corporate cocksucker

>>388756101
>Being a trump supporting bigot

>>388755280
Yeah, but at least its shit posting about a video game rather then lol piracy.

>>388756024
He got another juicer which died from planned obsolescence the day he bought the new one, idiot.
Do people have to spell out everything for low IQ retards like you?

>>388756198
>Being a commie
>Supporting capitalism
Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...

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>>388748173
>>388748772
>>388749130
>>388749282
>>388750412
>>388755376
Can you list a single game that requires being online (that has a single player), without looking?

>>388756483
latest Hitman and Dark Spore.

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>>388750234
Can you name a game that ceased functioning after 2.5 years due to Denuvo?

>ITT no one has seen Holes

Question!

If pirates are downloading a version without denovu.

Wouldn't the morally correct thing to do would be to download that version after you purchase the steam version?

>>388756483
Sonic mania, just cause 3, far cry primal, womb raider

Please don't bump threads that retard-pretendingly don't know the difference between theft and internet piracy

>>388756095
Sorry the store gave you a gift pair of paper bag shoes a week ago attached to your preorder of your half shoes so your refund window has expired.

>>388756751
explain how pirating sonic mania is an acquisition authorized by Sega

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>>388756751
>retard pretendingly
yes ok i will do as you say mate. you seem like someone worth listening to.

>>388747938

>want to install my DVD copy of Crysis
>remember it has SecuROM

You underage kids don't know what hell is.

>>388753074
Circle-jerking over waifus isn't "talking about video games" you retard.

>>388748415
Why not drink water?

>>388755929
It's a good thing I live in EU and do have legal consumer rights, then.

>>388757212
First you explain how violating copyright is equivalent to theft

>>388758616
I never made that claim. As per >>388747938 I state that both instances are measures to limit unauthorized acquisitions.

>>388756668
People have named plenty of Securom and Starforce games. The people responsible for Denuvo and Securom are one and the same.

>>388758739
You did make that claim and OP implied piracy is equivalent to theft with his shoe analogy.

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Explain this, Denuvofags.

>>388758616
It's a meme not all theft is equal anyway which is why we also have different larceny laws, at least in civilized society under sharia they'd probably chop your hand off for stealing from a gas station.

>>388758975
No, my OP implied that the electronic tag and denuvo are equivalent measures to prevent unauthorized acquisitions. At no point did I claim that Copyright infringement and theft were the same thing.

>>388759029
Copyright infringement doesn't fall under any larceny laws. There is no version of internet piracy that is defined as theft by the law.
>in civilized society under sharia
Oxymoron.

>Go to store
>See nice pair of shoes
>the box has a device on it to prevent any unauthorized acquisitions
>Buy them
>Store doesn't take it off
>Get in trouble for leaving with the shoes you bought cause the security is still on
>Complain they didn't take it off
>They take it off after complaining

Problem with your analogy is that they take off the device on the shoes when you buy them and don't leave them on so you set off the alarms when you wear them into a store in the future.

>>388758076
It has fluoride, and estrogen from the piss that comes from all the females who take copious amount of birth control. Plus there are literally areas of the US where the groundwater is contaminated with pollutants and chemical runoff from nearby factories.

>>388747938
denuvo affects performance.

>>388747938
at least it's not a food comparison

>>388759127
>my OP implied that the electronic tag and denuvo are equivalent measures to prevent unauthorized acquisitions.
Which is categorically and demonstrably false as you were refuted by half a dozen anons. You were proven wrong.

You argued that copyright infringement and theft were the same thing by conflating the two under "unauthorized acquisitions". Otherwise you wouldn't have questioned anon when he rightfully pointed out retards pretend not to knwo the difference between theft and internet piracy.

>>388749375
more on GoG
https://gamerant.com/the-witcher-3-gog-sales-410/

>>388759134
I didn't mean to imply it was theft or that sharia is civilized law, I fucked up my comma placement.

>>388758739
Unauthorized acquisitions to a license. Since you can't legally acquire the game even if you paid for it.

>>388757217
yeah because people who use metephors to equate stealing shoes to piracy are definitely worth listening to and not mocking.

>>388759430
Nobody explained how a measure used to stop the unauthorized acquisition of a shoe is different than a measure used to stop the authorized acquisition of a game. they just jumped on "MY PIRACY ISN'T THEFT!!!" and never once actually refuted my point

>>388759536
nitpicking much?

>>388759390
Great source, you sure convinced me.

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>>388759339

>>388756680
The morally correct thing to do would be to not include Denuvo in your game in the first place. Purchasing the steam version with Denuvo only supports and encourages the use of Denuvo regardless of whether or not you pirated the version without it.

How is it that consumers are expected to act morally even against their own interests, but companies get a free pass to act amorally in their own interest?

>>388759659
>Nobody explained how a measure used to stop the unauthorized acquisition of a shoe is different than a measure used to stop the authorized acquisition of a game

Literally the first three posts ITT did exactly that. people are literally still doing it ITT >>388759235

>they just jumped on "MY PIRACY ISN'T THEFT!!!" and never once actually refuted my point

Strawman much? Your point was refuted. Take the L and go.

>>388759703
I remember it affected load time on hdd for that one garbage indie game that implemented it a gorillian times, probably doesn't change anything for high end pcs if it's not implemented like lazy retards. But who know's, I would also personally like to see some sources for these performance claims otherwise.

>>388759659
>get btfo
>n-nitpicking much

Thanks for conceding.

>>388759703
Same source that says Denuvo makes companies millions and that Denuvo-cracked games have bitcoin miners.

>>388760145
>Nitpick
>Get called on nitpicking
>NO I BTFO YOU
Just post the screencap on r/videogames already

>>388756646
>Hitman
Lull.

>Sonic mania
Fixed..
http://www.pcgamer.com/sonic-mania-on-steam-requires-an-internet-connection-to-play/

>far cry primal
Only for activation..
https://support.ubi.com/en-US/Faqs/Details/kA030000000tiXFCAY?name=denuvo-anti-tamper

>womb raider
A bunch of forum posts say it's playable in Steam offline mode.

>>388760250
>try to deflect by calling it nitpicking
>get BTFO
>NO ITS NITPICKING THE DIFFERENCES DOESN'T COUNT BECAUSE I SAID SO

The difference between owning your game and paying a license to play them is not nitpicking. Stop embarrassing yourself redditor.

>>388747938
Now imagine it was the shoes themselves that had the device on it and you weren't even allowed to take it off after buying the shoes so you wind up having to wear shoes with an uncomfortable piece of metal stuck on it everywhere you go.

>>388760361
>>Hitman
>Lull.

How is this a counter argument? Hitman is a game that requires being online and has no multiplayer.

>>Sonic mania
>Fixed..

It isn't though. They claim it was a mistake but you still can't play offline.

>>388760462
>Buy game
>play game
>Buy license
>play game
wow what a world of difference. can't wait for you to @ me and mention a scenario that has never happened ever

>>388747938
The funny thing is that Denuvo wouldn't exist if piratefags didn't exist either.
When someone gets mad at Denuvo, they should get mad at piratefags. But that can't happen, because piratefags are the only ones mad at Denuvo.

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>>388754574
>tfw I have an almost 30 year old beatles Past Masters 1-2 CD ripped onto my PC
>2 albums
>had to rip them with windows media player ripping tool because otherwise windows wouldn't let me
>they ONLY play in windows media player and only after a license file is downloaded from microsoft servers (surprisingly license still downloads even in 2017)
>tried looking up on the internet for my versions of the songs
>can't find them anywhere
>can't upload them because there's 30 year old DRM on them I don't know how to remove
>I have unique beatles songs on my PC that I can't do anything with except listen to
this is why DRM is shit

>>388747938
>buy shoes
>cashier removes the device
>take my shoes home and do whatever the fuck I want with them

>>388747938
>people can inherit book collections but not ebook collections

>>388760602
>own game
>can play or resell your game however you want, as long as you want
>paid license
>can only play as the company allows you to, not allowed to resell your game since you don't even own it

Yeah theres no difference between owning something and not owning something. You fucking mongoloid.

>>388760250
>>388760462
>ur le rebbit no u r
Uh, newguys? Your already on reddit.

>>388760878
name a company that has revoked the license of people to play their games. bans for online games do not count.

>>388760636
>muh piracy scapegoat

The only people to blame for Denuvo are the companies that develop and implement it. By scpaegoating piratefags you're outing yourself as a complete retard

>>388753367
>First example
>Guy buys game and borrows it to a handful of friends

>Second example
>Guy buys game and "borrows" it to millions of people on the internet

Uhmmmmm

>>388760990
>bans for online games do not count.
Why? Because you said so? Bans for online games is literally revoking your license to play them you fucking retard, since you violated the license agreement.

>all these replies
I wish Reddit finished taking over already so we could all fucking die

>>388747938
I know this is bait but you understand that denuvo doesn't inconvenience pirates at all right?

Somebody cracks it and then the pirates end up with the better version of the game.

>>388760993
Denuvo wouldn't have been developed if piracy didn't exist, though.
It's cause/consequence, not a scapegoat.

>>388748068
To fucking WHO has this happened to? I have literally never had this happen or have heard of this happening to anyone I know.

>>388747938
That's because pc is pirate central.

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>paying for gaymes in 2017

Get cucked faggots

>>388747938
Sega of Europe tried to sneak denuvo in the game, got found out and tried to blame the lack of information of Denuvo from a screw-up with the steam store page. Then Sega of Europe tried to blame the delay on the devs, which prompted Stealth to make a comment on steam calling out their bullshit, which basically stated that the delay wasn't the devs fault, but Sega of Europe's fault for trying to get Denuvo to work. So it turns out the delay was for Denuvo, and Sega of Europe tried to hide it as long as they could just so people couldn't refund the game.

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>>388759659
>Nobody explained how a measure used to stop the unauthorized acquisition of a shoe is different than a measure used to stop the authorized acquisition of a game.

>>388748056
>>388748068
>>388748081
>>388748173
>>388749130
>>388750551
>>388750796
>>388751581
>>388755802
>>388755254
>>388751998
>>388751903
>>388751785

>>388761243
Is it even impossible to pirate on modern consoles now?
I remember faggots on /v/ wouldn't shut up about how easy it was to solder your fucking xbox 360 when it was current like that's something every non-autist knows how to do.

>>388761446
none of those refute it though. they just state that they are different applications of the same measure

>>388761397
And yet people still try to defend the delay.

>>388761124
Only if you define piracy as being able to do anything with your game that the publisher doesnt' want you to, including transfering it over to another person.

Otherwise your "if piracy didn't exist" hypothetical is fucking worthless. By your logic You shouldn't be able to watch or listen to your movie or music collection without being connected to the internet even though you download it because of people pirating them. And I'm not talking about streaming either, I mean downloaded files of movies and music you bought. Nobody would stand for that, but for some reason with video games it's justifiable because you're a industry cuckhold.

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>>388761380
I like to support good developers.

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>>388761564
>none of those refute it though.

They all refute it because it's not the same measure you dipshit

>>388761806
You are now remembering the ending to Monkey Island 2.

>>388761870
>They both stop unauthorized purchases
>THEY'RE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT

>>388761564
You're a fucking moron dude. Just kill yourself.

>>388761870
Anon, you are arguing with someone who gets payed .01 cents per post to try and make you mad. You're not going to win this.

>>388747938
>The game is coupled with a program to prevent any unauthorized acquisitions that effectively does not prevent pirates(in the near future) from playing it, while it does damp my fun with the game
>this is ok
lel

>>388759807
Not an argument

>>388761124
>It's cause/consequence

You're quite right. DRM(which exists to curtail used physical copy sales) causes piracy to skyrocket.

The free version is literally better than the payed version, at this point the only people that DRM stops or impedes or interferes with is the very few people left that actually pay for games still. Since everyone else just fucking pirates it and has no problems with any DRM.

DRM causes piracy, i.e. Cause > Effect.

>>388761758
The main draw of Denuvo was to prevent piracy. Everything else, like being always online and forbidding mods, have been added after.
So no, the cause/consequence still stands. Denuvo wouldn't exist if piracy didn't exist either, piracy defined as "downloading a copy of a game for free".

Also, let me tone down my post to your mind level: cuck cuck cuck cuck cuck. Here, now we are on the same IQ.

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>>388761949
>NO THEY'RE THE SAME BECAUSE UNAUTHORIZED PURCHAES IT'S NOT A FALSE EQUIVALENCE!

How can you be this bad at saving face after getting thoroughly BTFO

>>388761949
>Murder and Jaywalking are against the law
>THEY'RE COMPLETELY THE SAME
Thats how retarded you are.

>>388762126
Yeah, but DRM wouldn't exist first without piracy around.
Cause>Effect (new cause)>New effect
Piracy is still the starting point.

>>388762326
t.idiot believing corporate propaganda
Corporations don't like consumer rights. they outright hate the first sale doctrine. DRM is an assault on both, with piracy as an excuse.

>>388762149
>The main draw of Denuvo was to prevent piracy. Everything else, like being always online and forbidding mods, have been added after.

Yeah nah, this is bullshit. Your cause/consequences rhetoric doesn't stand beacuse it's based on a hypothetical. Piracy is defined by the companies as unauthorized use of their games, including resale and trading. DRM exiss because commpanies want more control over your games post-purchase. Piracy is a scapegoat and you outed yourself as retard that fell for it.

>Also, let me tone down my post to your mind level: cuck cuck cuck cuck cuck.
That is more meaningful than anything in your posts. I am your intellectual superior, you are a subhuman mind deficient brainlet.

>>388762326
How does it feel to be a complete retard summed up by a simple comic? >>388753074

So did people ever get around to making dark spore playable? I never paid attention to that much but it was comically retarded with that situation

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>>388747938

>>388762326
>Yeah, but DRM wouldn't exist first without piracy around.
Except DRM has been added to games that are literally impossible to pirate. Hitman on consoles had always online DRM even though you can't pirate on those consoles.

You are seriously brain damaged if you think piracy is the starting point and that everyone should collectively stop pirating for the sake of company profits before companies stop shitting up their games.

>>388760990
EA
http://gamingbolt.com/ea-bans-player-from-playing-dragon-age-2-for-calling-them-devil

Now watch as you try to backpeddal and damage control denying this scenarioever happened

>>388763006
>>>>cant pirate on consoles

look at this confused redditor lol

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>mfw was here when /v/ was non-partisan on piracy and handed out mega links like candy but now the rebbitors have to spread their cancerous asshurt to all whomst won't abide

>>388761071
You're also using said companies server space, so they have the right in that case to revoke it. Same as you crashing at a random person's house, as soon as you start acting like an uppity cunt or really for any reason whatsoever they have the right to kick you out. Single player games that you own and have the whole game stored on your computer is another matter.

>>388747938
>Go to store
>See nice pair of shoes
>the box has a device on it to prevent any unauthorized acquisitions
>Normal population sees this and has no problem
>because at the register, the cashier unlocks the stupid inkblot thing and detaches it from the shoes

>go to buy a video game
>inkblot thing is stuck on the video game, even after you buy it
>cashier refuses to remove it, even as thieves walk out of the store with their own removal devices

>>388763302
house =/= video game

ur argument is invalid noob

>>388747938
even /g/ makes better analogies when shitting on ad blockers

>>388763251
Can't pirate on THOSE consoles you retarded shit for brains.
Explain to me how you can pirate digital games on the PS4 or Xbox One. The Brazilian method only works on launch era PS4 games.

>>388763302
They designed the game in a way that doesn't allow you to host your own server.
>Same as you crashing at a random person's house
Except you paid to be there. And you don't own the house, just like you don't own your games.
You dont' own your single player games, you paid a license to play them. A license that can be revoked if it's bound to internet-based DRM.

Holy fuck you are bad at metaphors.

>>388763915
The entire situation is simple enough that you don't need metaphors. Piracy shills use them because it obfuscates their point a bit.

>>388763607
/v/ defends ad blockers, to them its a form of piracy that is basically stealing from the webhosts

>>388763387
Oh I'm sorry I didn't realize you only understand analogies in terms of food.
>>388763915
>B-But you don't own your games!
Yes I do you fucking kike.

>>388763915
>You didn't buy a game you bought a license
How fucking cucked do you have to be to actually believe this shit?

>>388764228
No you don't retard. You paid a license for them, they have the right to revoke it if you violate the terms you agreed to when you bought the game. Same way Blizzard has the right to ban you from their servers if you violate their terms. "Server space" is fucking irrelevant here.

>>388754940
RiME
>Game is super nice and you should support devs, buy it when you can do it. But the game will be much better without that huge abomination called Denuvo. In Rime that ugly creature went out of control - how do you like three fucking hundreds of THOUSANDS calls to "triggers" during initial game launch and savegame loading? Did you wonder why game loading times are so long - here is the answer :) In previous games like Sgw3, Nier, Prey there were only about 1000 "triggers" called, so we have x300 here. Next - 300,000 called "triggers" were just warmup for Denuvo, after 30 minutes of gameplay it became 2 fucking MILLIONS of called "triggers". Protection now calls about 10-30 triggers every second during actual gameplay, slowing game down. In previous games like Sgw3, Nier, Prey there were only about 1-2 "triggers" called every several minutes during gameplay, so do the math. Don't forget that triggers is under VM and heavily obfuscated, which obviously does not improve perfomance.

straight from the guy who cracked it.

>>388764323
About as cucked as you have to be to defend Denuvo and DRM in general.

I'm only following corporate cuck logic here. You don't legally own your games, even if you paid for them, so how can you steal them in the first place by pirating?

>buy shoes
>they require internet connection to be usable

>>388764573
That doesn't refute anything. You're just saying that they are different applications of the same measure.

>>388764679
Is this a meme someone is trying to push or a bot?

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>>388763284
The weirdest thing is that it's only /v/ that does this, go on /a/, /mu/, /m/, /co/, /tv/ and none of them have problems with it.
Hell we used to have an entire board dedicated to that called /rs/ and there's /t/ too.
I'm 99% sure that it's just kids trolling because these threads DO get them replies.

>>388753774
Or they can just ban your account and your ability to play your games.

>>388751051
That would explain my constant diarrhea.

>>388764897
It's not a meme. Nobody explained how a measure used to stop the unauthorized acquisition of a shoe is different than a measure used to stop the authorized acquisition of a game. they just jumped on "MY PIRACY ISN'T THEFT!!!" and never once actually refuted my point

>>388761130
>he doesn't know about safedisc and secuROM

>>388765206
They did though. You're a puny brainlet that can't understand that, which is why you're having problems.

>>388765425
>They both stop unauthorized purchases
>THEY'RE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT

Looks like you're the puny brainlet here.

people who refuse to buy things because of denuvo but still use steam are on the same level of flat earthers

>>388765507
>literally repeats the same arguments
>ignores everything that demonstrates how wrong and stupid he is
this has to be a bot

>>388764451
Your whole statement about only paying for a license can be proven simply by looking at what's stored on your computer. Is the whole game there? Then you in fact bought the game, not the license, and no amount of shady corporatism and definition twisting is going to change that. You physically have the game then you physically bought the game, same as any other product or service. Nothing about video games changes it from other forms of media such as books, paintings, DVD's, TV's, radios, etc. The fact that you actually believe them when they tell you you're only paying for a license, says as much about you as it does them.

>>388747938
Why can't you just make a good old fashioned food analogy

>>388765619
>Buy game
>play game
>Buy license
>play game
wow what a world of difference. can't wait for you to @ me and mention a scenario that has never happened ever

>>388764559
Stop trying to conflate me and my positions with others, I've never stated any of those other statements.

>>388765605
in what way? steam at least serves a purpose, denuvo doesn't benefit the consumer in any way at all

>>388765838
>@ me
Go back to whatever fucking forum you came from.

>>388765759
>Is the whole game there? Then you in fact bought the game, not the license

That's not how it works. Just because you download the data doesn't mean you inherently own the data, especially when said data relies on an internet connection to access and can be revoked at any time. You might have paid for Overwatch or Hitman or Sonic Mania, but good luck playing those games once the company decides to ban you from their servers.

>Nothing about video games changes it from other forms of media such as books, paintings, DVD's, TV's, radios, etc

Except I can still access and use my books, paintings, DVD's, TV's, radios, etc regardless of what the company behind it says. Unless it's tied to internet DRM, in which case they can revoke my access to it.

>The fact that you actually believe them when they tell you you're only paying for a license, says as much about you as it does them.

The fact that you actually believe you own something when it can be taken away from you at will, says as much about you as it does the corporate cocksuckers defending Denuvo DRM

>>388765925
I'm not conflating your positions anymore than your conflating mine.

>>388765759
>You physically have the game then you physically bought the game
We're talking about digital licenses here. If you bought a physical copy of the game then at worst you only own the physical medium and they can neuter your disc cartridge if it uses internet DRM.

>>388765958
Do you expect companies to justify that shit to you, the consumer? That's not how businesses operate.

For someone to make the call "let's use Denuvo" you have a bunch of VPs and above that need to give their approval first. You don't get such things decided on a whim by some low tier manager or team lead.

How do you get things approved in a company? By demonstrating that there's a positive impact (financially, reputation, awareness etc.) by doing what you're asking money for. Obviously for Denuvo, it's purely financial as it doesn't bring any good PR.

While you can easily bullshit your way in getting something approved the first couple times, it becomes harder and harder as you get pressured by higher ups to report on how "successful" your project was (here, implementing Denuvo). However if you've reach the KPIs that you've set and got approved, you'll keep getting your budget approved.

>>388747938
Hahaha games = shoes, gud fun and fuck paying for games that are available for free

>>388765838
>@
Where is this obese shill from?
Reddit?
Is this why you are a moralcuckold, because you are a very fat, diabetic redditor?

I've bought lots of games this year, I've also pirated about twice as many.

There is another way however; works pretty well.

>download Steam
>purchase Player Unknown's Battlegrounds
>play PUBG
>buy crates with winning cash
>sell crates on Steam market
>???
>free games

Considering the "special" crates sell for £2.50, and the "normal" crates sell for either £0.80 or £0.60, it's pretty easy to make cash.
I must have made about £50 over the last two weeks and bought a ton of games in the Steam sales.

>physical objects can be produced and reproduced ad infinitum without any effort, which equates it to digital piracy
Gas yourself, Schlostein.

Let's say you have a ham store and people would come in and steal your hams. Then you hire a security guard and no one steals your hams anymore.

This is the same thing as Denuvo for video games.

>>388747938
>not just getting the switch version

Id be feeling pretty sad for your life rn lawl

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>>388748415
>tfw the botnet wants me to dehydrate

>>388747938
>things that never happened

>>388747938
I've never pirated a game and the reason I don't like it is because it causes problems. I'm not talking about mods, I could care less, but look at Sonic Mania, people are experiencing horrible glitches that make the game unplayable because of it. What if the device on those shoes stops you from wearing it randomly when it feels like it? That's what denuvo is.

>>388767861
Does the security guard follow me home to make sure I don't share my ham with anyone else after I bought it? Does the ham have a giant security tag that bleeds ink when I try to bite into it if I buy and eat it outside of the store?

Because otherwise it's not the same thing as Denuvo for video games.