Destiny 2

>>388743438
You don't understand, man. This is Bungie's magnum opus. This is the game they always wanted to make. Halo was just practice for them.

>>388743438
So you are saying
>Game is pretty
>Gameplay is shit
You asked for this

>Sell the title that made you a successful business to some idiots who turn it into complete shit.
>Release literally the exact same game dumbed down to 3 enemies per faction not including bosses and make "classes" that are complete shit.

What was bungies end game exactly?

>>388743438
its a console game, it plays better on a console.
also the beta didnt have any loot or leveling, it was literally just a shooter.

>>388744436
But weren't people saying the difference between console and PC was night and day?

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If you played the first game you'd know it's shit. I feel bad for PCfags what are about to get swindled into this game.

>>388744319
They wanted to appeal to an even greater mass of casuals by joining Halo with CoD and Borderlands, while simultaneously trying to make an esport. And according to the sales, it worked.

>>388744436
>Leveling and loot make a game better.

Behold, a Bungie-drone.

Leveling and loot just make a game look like it has a player base before people realize the game is shit and start to drop it.

>>388744319
Studio-wide suicide

>>388744598
Eh, the only people that really get suckered into this trash are casuals to begin with, and there's no short supply of them on the PC platform in 2017. Most people are playing with controllers with aim assist on PC, let that sink in for a moment.

>>388743438
The raids are exceptional. Nothing in the fps genre comes close to running them blind with friends. Sure maybe the rest is polished mediocrity but the raids make it more than worth it imo

>>388744436
PC version is butter smooth, but i do feel like the gunplay on console is better. Would've picked the pc version as my main station but 1month delay is lame.

>>388744779
>there's aim assist on PC
Fucking what?

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>that level of bloom and lensflare

What I don't get is why the make jumping so floaty, it's obnoxious.

How do you do the bad ass landing when you jump from great heights?

I enjoyed the gunplay in the first. How different is it? I assumed it'd be identical.

>>388744898
change your characters jump or spec into armor/recovery instead of agility.

>>388744910
what are you even talking about?

>>388744436
Not really
You could tell by the UI & how much of a grindfest it was that it was aimed at a PC audience, Activision was the one stopping a PC release

>>388744997
it is identical.

>>388745032
the UI wasn't designed around a mouse in Destiny 1 though. it was designed to mimic one because its simpler on the player and more aesthetically pleasing than having a bunch of grids and boxes to flick around to on a stick.

>>388744887
Yeah, and people are using a XIM to use M+KB with aim assist, just like people did in BO3. This is a top-down from Activision that will be in all of their titles, so it will never be removed because shitters and controller users are in greater number and spend more money.

I hear Destiny 2 is nearly a carbon copy of the first game. As someone who has always had a bit of interest in trying the series would the second game be a good place to start and is it an improvement or is the first game better?

>>388744887
controllers get aim assist with head snapping on PC.
people have also found a way to apply that same aim assist to their mouse.

>>388744198
>game is pretty
It really isn't though. The environments are actually pretty ugly, especially compared to the first game.

>>388745232
its the first game but seemingly better. hard to tell without having the full game. 2nd game is fine to start with, nothing that happened in the first game really matters honestly.

>>388745315
you can't possibly be this daft.

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>>388745220
>>388745301
Jesus, I knew destiny was a shit game, but this is just a load of vomit on this shit sundae.

>>388744598
The demo probably already blew their audience to be honest, I know that I won't touch it unless it comes down to the $15-10 (it won't ever). I can't imagine too many normies buying it with how trash the multiplayer is either.

>>388744068
I know this is ironic but for anyone else who doesn't understand:
Bungie is dead. The company that carries the name now only does so in name.
A majority of the staff from the original Bungie do not work there anymore. The company is now infested with Activision yes men cumdumps and heartless programming drones.

o7 Bungie

>>388745026
Well I've seen on the gameplay trailers. When you drop down from a high place instead of jumping again just before hitting the ground to negate damage. You should be able to do some bad ass landing the camera even goes on 3rd person.

>>388745383
Why are Destiny fans so god damn defensive. State your claim so we can get this over with.

>>388745301
Is this serious?

>>388745707
only Warlocks have that ability and even then, only one subclass for them has it. the ability isn't available in the beta, either.

>>388744898
Halo jumping has always been floaty.

>>388745745
what claim? i just think its daft to say Destiny 1 looked better when D2 clearly has higher res-textures and assets overall, leading to a cleaner presentation.

if you don't like the aesthetics of Nessus or whatever i can see your argument but to say it looks worse than D1 is ridiculous, frankly.

>>388745776
if you use the XIM4, a kb+m adapter designed to work on consoles so players can use kb+m there instead of a controller, on PC you get the aim-assist the game applies when it detects a controller, and the control of a mouse + keyboard.

>>388743438
>Periods when closing greentext sentences
I am genuinely triggered.

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>>388743438
>cinematic choreography.


Is this a video game or a theatre production?

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>>388743438
D2 is looking to be probably the smoothest and most polished game on PC in years. The only drones in this thread are the ones shitting on this game because it's trending on /v/

>>388746013
There's also several programs you can download to send mouse commands as controller commands without the need for a XIM4.

>>388744898
You're using a jetpack. If you jump again, it disables and you drop like a stone.

>>388746135
ah, i didn't know about that, had only heard about people abusing the XIM.

>>388746134
So these drills aren't a threat at all, btw. It's all a facade, they never touch the main path.

>>388746278
but random shitters still die from it somehow

>>388745220
controller users on PC are niche, most normies don't even know you can use a controller on PC

The auto aim will be removed in the final version i guarantee it

>>388746278
not sure their purpose is to touch the main path but rather restrict mobility to essentially just walking. not that it matters either way, they never pose a threat after you go through them once.

>>388746231
Yeah, it's stickied in the Destiny 2 subreddit, so basically everyone is cheating with no risk of ban in the PC beta right now. They think they're going to remove aim assist if they all abuse it.

>>388746134
too bad it plays like an even worse version of borderlands, I honestly didn't think it was possible

Guys, it's literally just the looting and character progression of an ARPG with shooter mechanics.
That's why the enemies pose no real threat and feel incredibly uninspired. Because they aren't supposed to, Bungie is just focusing on the grinding aspect popularized by ARPGs/MMOs where every altercation is simply a stat check until you get into the "raids" or the "bosses" and then kill them with minimal effort so you can get more gear and keep running on the treadmill.
If you don't like it then whatever but stop acting like Destiny ever was, or ever tried to be a deep and tactical shooter. It's always been focused around a mindless grindfest and nothing more.

>>388746392
Oh, you poor naive thing. I remember people saying the same thing about BO3's aim assist. Treyarch didn't want it in, but Activision told them they had to leave it in. It's even hardcoded into the fucking locked down in the dedicated server binaries lmao.

>>388746013
Yes I mean the overall aesthetic, not the texture quality. The textures can be as sharp as they want but it still feels like they let go of the designer with the A1 visual taste.

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>>388746568

>>388746134
But it is shit to play, even if it's really smooth and runs amazing even on my toaster at decent settings. This Beta event is also really mediocre.
>New area in 6 hours for a 2 hour window to explore, lol
>Total Beta event lasts 3 days, which is too short for some people to even download it

I played the Beta today and it actually played pretty alright. I might get it if I can get it for a good price and the reviews are good. I'm just kinda iffy about it because I'm pretty sure you are going to need to get the season pass to get the full experience.

>>388746839
if it's like Destiny 1, yes you will. if you didn't buy the DLC you got left behind as the old content became irrelevant.

>>388746573
Activision is fucking retard, bunch of brainless suits
If it gets removed, it would be because Blizzard execs heard about it

>>388744598
I would imagine only the hardcore Destiny fans who want to play on PC will be making that kind of purchase again.
Stockholm levels of "i will get hurt again, but it will have slider options for graphics settings!" stuff.

Is fun

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>>388746568
this
it's basically diablo with guns, multiplayer pve shit, and pvp

>>388743438
so just like destiny 1 ?

>good graphics
>shit gameplay
Sums up 8th gen games perfectly.

>>388745220
If you are halfway decent at FPS then auto-aim on m+kb just feels like complete shit and fucks your aim up entirely.
This isn't even an issue nor is it useful unless people are playing on pc and coming straight from consoles having never played an fps on PC before.

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>>388746568
I wish more anons would realize this

>>388746924
Yeah I guessed so. As the game comes out two months later on PC there's also only 6 weeks between the PC release and the first dlc.

>>388746568
This is why it never made sense to not have a PC release

PCfags love grindfests, while Consolefags went in expecting a story focused Halo clone

If D1 launched on PC & Consoles side by side, the reception would have been far more positive thanks to PCfags

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>download beta
>graphics are alright
>gunplay feels like shit, coming from a company that has been doing this for 20 years
>disconnect at the end of each level because servers are shitting the bed
>have to replay the first mission literally 3 times because it keeps restarting
>can't even play 2nd level
>haven't touched the game since yesterday

well that was a waste of 17GB of bandwidth

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>>388743438
Did Bungie just turn old and lazy?

The Beta was awful and I already had no goodwill towards them with the exclusivity fuckery.

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>>388746134
Eh, I got it on ps4 when they released the game and all its dlc for 60 and I really enjoyed my time with it.
That being said, the reason why I'm cautious about day 1 purchasing Destiny 2 is that the game will more than likely only have enough unique content to satisfy maybe 20 hours worth of gameplay and then just have everyone running the same strike a million times over.

Will there be more classes in the actual game? Will you get weapons that aren't boring as fuck to use?

>>388746134
>most polished
>Clipping in the cutscenes
>fire looks like it's from 2006
>grenades not knocking enemies
>AI is Uni-project-grade
You know not what you say

>>388746134
This, I'm playing it on a GTX 780 & an i5-6600. I get 60 FPS on a 2560 x 1440 monitor on high settings, with no stutters or shit anywhere. I was also extremely impressed with how fast the game loads in levels/maps too.

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>>388744319
>Destiny is liek totally same as Halo
Yeah, and Sonic is the same game as Mario, right? They're both platformers, right?

I'm not even defending Destiny, either one of them, but this is just the most telltale sign that someone either didn't play the games or has cerebral palsy.

I see this fucking thread everyday in the same format

Praising the graphics even though it doesn't look particularly special, and lambasting everything else.

Let me be clear

Nobody cares about this game or destiny 1.

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Playing the game just made me think 'Why would anyone ever play this over Warframe or Borderlands?' It felt like a serious downgrade to those two games, one of which is free and the other you can probably snag all three titles for less than the cost of Destiny 2.

>>388747617
I felt the same way. It seems like Borderlands but worse

>>388747613
>Nobody in my bubble cares about this game or destiny 1.
ftfy :)

>>388747617
I could never get into Warframe or Borderlands and I tried to because my good friends played them. Destiny 2 has been pretty fun so far, I dunno.

>>388743438
Why did you just describe Destiny 1?

>>388747617
Warframe isn't an FPS and Borderlands isn't even remotely similar aside from the looting mechanics?

>>388747617
Warframe agreed but Destiny is better than Borderlands at literally everything.

Borderlands is a shallow shooter that feels awful to shoot in. Like you're shooting fucking nerf guns.

>>388743438

On harder levels I found the mobs and raids to be very challenging in D1. Enough variety in enemies to keep you guessing or at least varied strategies to take on all of them.

The part I got sick and fucking tired of was constantly grinding the SAME GODDAMN MISSIONS over and fucking over with basically zero payoff and no lore to keep me interested.

>>388747903
>Like you're shooting fucking nerf guns
That's exactly how I feel about Destiny 2

>single player is a tunnel shooter
the one strike we got? Yeah, strikes are pretty linear. patrols were more open and they look to be even more open from that EDZ footage.
>guns feel like shit
agreed
>mobility and jet pack feel like shit
disagree. I had total, absolute 100% freedom with my movement on my hunter.
>abilities are useless
wrong. titan's barrier and warlock's pool are absolutely vital to protecting a bomb in competitive. Hunter's dodge roll is vital for snap kills, especially if you're gonna be using a handcannon with it's 8 year long reload (or a rocket launcher, since it reloads them automatically too).
>uninspired enemies
yup, clones from the first game too, 100% identical.
>bosses are bullet soaks
raid bosses had more to them, but yeah, for the most part that's true.
>storyline is generic
still better than not having a storyline, instead relegating it to a fucking web page which just had lore dump after lore dump.
>characters are obnoxious
they seemed fine to me. They're kind of generic quippy garbage, but far from obnoxious.
>multiplayer is the worst shit
what makes you say that?

>>388747469
You'll learn to appreciate the exclusivity if a shitty map like exodus blue comes out

>>388747948
Destiny 2's nerf guns look better and are more satisfying to use imo

>>388747903
>Like you're shooting fucking nerf guns.
Destiny's guns aren't much better, m8.

>>388747903
The Borderlands guns felt a lot more varied, the enemies were more fun to fight, and the character skills/trees were a lot more involved. Destiny just seemed so fucking bland.

>>388747839
The games camera being first-person or third-person is a really unimportant detail, and how is it not like Borderlands? The two are the exact same genre of loot-based shooters.

>>388747513
no. still 3 classes; Hunter, Titan, Warlock. still 3 subclasses for each.

Is there only 3 classes of characters?
How is that any fun?

>>388747469
The story in Destiny 1 was so bad, i couldn't believe Bungie made it

>I could tell you
>But theres no time

>>388748248
Borderlands is a loot game, Destiny is not. Destiny has loot but its not why you play.

What's with all the people shitting on the guns?

Destiny 1 is widely agreed to have some of the best gunplay in any game and it's often said to be the main redeeming feature of the game.

Is this /v/ just talking shit and repeating each other again or has it changed in D2?

>>388747985
>t. PvP fag

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>>388748481
>Destiny 1 is widely agreed to have some of the best gunplay in any game

Why is it so grey and bloomy?

>>388748545
Yeah, why would you get a multiplayer game and not play the multiplayer?

>>388748481
>main redeeming feature
That's because D1 didnt have any good content until a year after release

>>388748565
That really helped explain why it's bad, thanks anon.

>>388748679
I'm not trying to explain why it's bad, just calling you an idiot

>>388748580
because it's not grey at all and you didn't turn the bloom off.

>>388748716
Okay.

>>388748659
Fairly true.

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>>388748393
>Destiny is not [a loot game]

>>388748679
30 fps, console shooter, blade dancer and soros regime in the first year. comon senpai.

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>>388746134
lmao
The Division runs better while looking better
its also a better game

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>>388748481
>Destiny 1 is widely agreed to have some of the best gunplay in any game

>Think striker is the same in D1 just one slam and I'm done

>Turn into linebacker Zeus from Olympus University and tackle the fuck out of people

Sorry Captain America but Zeus has you beat

>>388748248
Well going from a TPS and an FPS is a big deal and changes the genre. There are a lot of people who prefer one over the other.
Borderlands is open world and not instanced with a hub area like Destiny. Destiny also puts a great deal of focus on the pvp aspect and really tries to drive home the feeling of a psuedo-mmo, borderlands really doesn't try to do this. I think they both primarily exist for the pleasure of the looting but the aesthetic and feeling of both games are wildly different.

>>388748393
>Destiny has loot but its not why you play.
Then why the fuck would you play it? The gameplay on show in the demo is fucking BAD.

>>388748481
I don't know how anyone could believe 4chan is free of viral marketing

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>>388743438

Played through the first mission of the beta and this is pretty much spot on. For once OP is not a faggot. All the guns felt samey. The grunt enemies posed zero challenge, and the bosses really didn't either they just took more bullets to kill.

Granted I'm not really much of an fps player and I only played the first mission. Despite ragging on the game so much I really do think its okay. It functioned perfectly with no mechanical problems. 7.5/10 I should probably spend more time with it before drawing a conclusion.

>>388746984
You say that like it's a bad thing.

>>388747617
The world and lore are pretty interesting and flavorful.
There's more visual customization of your dude/dudette than Warframe (don't underestimate players' narcissism).
There's a more exploratory and mysterious base tone compared to Warframe.

I totally agree Warframe has Destiny beat in the twitch shooting gameplay, but people just enjoy different flavors of shoot&loot. Or maybe they don't know of the alternatives.
Borderlands is huge garbage though.

>>388748787
Firstly, the first and second complaints are subjective (don't try and argue they aren't, because they are no matter how correct you think you are.) The last 2 are balance issues, not problems with the gunplay.

>>388746568
This is why it's better not to think of The Division as a strictly realistic tactical shooter, but more like "Diablo as a third-person cover shooter."

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>>388748481
Destiny was well known to be redeemed by the gameplay feedback loop and the satisfying gunplay all in spite of damn near no content.
idk man its just /v/ being /v/. The second anything becomes remotely popular it has to be complete shit, "twitch bait", etc. Most people on this board really can't think for themselves so I wouldn't even try to have a discussion with people who base their arguments off hating popular things.

>>388749209
How the fuck is 30 FPS subjective?

>>388747602
It's literally Halo with magic. It's the Halo that Halo should have evolved into if neither Bungie nor 343i was so fucking concerned with logic and lore and kept throwing half measures at the stale gameplay.

>>388744807

How do they function exactly? Like I play a lot of mmos but an "mmo fps raid" sounds like a really weird concept to me.

Like, are there healers and tanks in this game? or is everyone pretty much dps? Does it even have any semblance of a trinity system?

>>388747602
I haven't played D1, but after I connected a controller, it plays EXACTLY like Reach. Say what you want, but the game is Halo with loot and more cooldowns.

>>388747617
Borderlands has more of a single-player focus. Destiny, The Division, and soon Anthem are more focused on multiplayer.

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>>388748912
I don't know how anyone could beliweve /v/ isn't an echochamber where all contrary opinions are disregarded due to being viral marketing.

>>388744893
lmao that's nothing, try actually playing the game at some stages it's ten times worse

That beta was horrible. Why did they put in a 3 man strike when the max party size is 4?

>>388749354
Everyone is DPS you just need to understand basic things like aggro switching and some mechanics that are boss unique and you're good to go. There is no trinity.

>>388749076
>the bosses really didn't either they just took more bullets to kill.
What bosses? There wasn't any bosses in the first level

>>388749490
strikes are 3 players, raids are 6. only pvp was subject to that static 4 man party size stuff.

>>388749319
how is 60fps objectively better?

are the cooldowns still fucked?, because in the console beta they were dreadful

>>388749291
What does that have to do with posting Angel?

>>388749291
>Destiny was well known to be redeemed by the gameplay feedback loop and the satisfying gunplay all in spite of damn near no content

Nah that's horseshit, mate. As much as I played and enjoyed the game, whether or not it was ever 'redeemed' is still in contention. You can't blame anyone for thinking that the game was a massive fuck up.

>>388749076
Those weren't bosses anon. It was a campaign mission, not a strike.

can you play in coop through the game or is it just for specific raids or what they're called?

>>388749319
Subjective in terms of affecting peoples actual enjoyment, objective in that it is a bigger number.

30 FPS does not equate to bad without exception, it is entirely dependent on the player's opinion.

Similar to how a car with 200BHP is objectively faster than one with 75 however depending on who is driving it may not necessarily make the experience of driving said car any better.

>>388749582

Whatever the named people were with the shields and bigger healthbars. I guess they're commanders or something not bosses.

>>388749676
I played Warlock and it took 10 years for my grenade to come back

>>388748823
>The Division runs better
Please don't lie on the internet

>>388749759
You can be in a fireteam for 99%, only stuff that can't be done with a fireteam/co-op is specific story missions (intro, stuff that usually has heavy cutscene presence which is less gameplay anyway, outro). Otherwise, you can be in a team and do a raid then hop into pvp right after. If nothing else it got partying right.

>>388743438
Played this series for the first time yesterday and honestly it just feels like older Halo. Even the enemies look and feel like halo enemies. Feel like bungie.

>>388749706
Don't take what he said too literally, he likely didn't mean it as in the game was entirely redeemed in it's lacking aspects by this so much as it being the colloquial "redeeming feature" often mentioned when discussing things that are often regarded as being overall bad.

>>388747453
I never knew the context of this .gif
What the fuck was he so mad about?

>>388745383
>nothing happened in the first game
Ftfy, everything that happened did so in the phone app

>>388748481
>Destiny 1 is widely agreed to have some of the best gunplay
Let's not go overboard, shall we. The gunplay (recoil control, accuracy, reloading) is fine but it's not mindblowing. The weapon perks are the thing that make it really interesting.

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I'm tempted to get a 1070 just to crank that render scale to 150%, while my 480 is doing fine at high preset, I can't help but want to get more pretty visuals out of this game.

>>388749410
>have criticisms about game
>now hold on, that's impossible considering /everyone/ loves the gunplay! /v/ just hates the game because it's popular!

I'd say it's more likely casuals who lack standards flock to things that are popular and praise them without thinking twice. Can you explain why Destiny has the best gunplay of any game?

>>388749761
You are correct in that 30 fps might not affect peoples enjoyment.

However, it should. 30 fps is worse. A stable 60 fps feels more responsive and looks smoother (and that is a fact, do not even try to deny it).

Anybody who actually prefers 30 over 60 is entitled to their opinion, but that doesn't mean they're not a fucking idiot for having that opinion.

>>388749848
i'm hoping thats just because we didn't have access to ability cooldown perks on our gear

>>388750053
On the contrary I find the weapon perks to not be of much note and believe it is in the "feel" of the shooting that the excellence is found.

This may just be my opinion, but it is shared by many.

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>>388749706
Alright, "redeemed" was too strong of a word. But it was well known that those were not the aspects of the game that made it bad. What made it bad was lack of interesting content to run through, long periods of no content release that ultimately always culminated in roughly 15-20 hours of content and horrible implementation of story elements.
The core gameplay itself was never why it failed.
>>388749692
Because I like to see pictures in threads.

>>388749595
Why did they think making the player constantly juggle the party size was an ok thing to do?

I thought the idea was you and your friends form a fireteam and jump from mode to mode depending on what you wanted to do. Seems like shit design to me.

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>>388749974
thanks man, sounds actually like a decent game for me and my buddies.

>>388750085
That would imply there is pretty visuals to get.
The aesthetic of this game is already generic enough. You cant pull gold out of a stone.

>>388749647
>33.4ms between frames
>16.7ms between frames
It's literally objectively better.

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>>388743438
it'll unrionically still be the #1 title this fall, you cannot refute this even though it's a shit addictive game

>>388748823
>The Division
>Better

Than what exactly?

>>388750321
are you implying that people can react in that short of a span in succession enough for it to matter?, or that this game relays enough information in 60 frames for it to matter more than 30?

>>388748481
Played Destiny 1. I'm one who says the gunplay is the only redeeming feature of 1.

It genuinely feels worse to me in this but I can't tell if it's that it's actually worse, I'm just bored of all of the animations/guns (which didn't change in the fucking slightest), or if their controller auto aim was part of their secret sauce.

>>388749354
Everyone is dps for the most part. They introduce mechanics based on picked up 'relics' that can act as a tank/healer. There is a shadow of the trinity in the class abilities as well. Hunter tether is dps - Titan defender is healer - warlock sunbro is tank . Kind of anyway

>>388750145
For starters, I never said it had "the best gameplay of any game". Secondly, I never said that all criticism was invalid, I asked why there was so much criticism of what is generally regarded as the games best feature.

Lastly, I personally think the gunplay is good for many small reasons. Scout Rifles have a very satisfying sound. Snipers genuinely feel powerful when you see a Fallen enemies head pop with that distinctive hissing sound of ether escaping. Each trigger pull feels responsive, and the recoil on most weapons (save for bullet hose ARs) is balances in such a way that it makes the weapon feel weighty whilst not affecting your ability to pull of precision shots too much. The "thud" of your melee connecting, the designs of the weapons.

Next time, don't ask a rhetorical question which is easily answered nor should you entirely lie about what I said.

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>>388743438

If I never played Destiny at all, will Destiny 2 be fun? I enjoy loot shooters.

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>Warlock and Titan get cool and useful abilities that benefit themselves and teammates
>Hunter gets a shitty dodge

>>388750543
Despite all my defending of the first game in this thread I likely won't bother with the second. It looks much the same as the original and the things that have changed seem to be for the worse, such as 4 player crucible only and the condensed subclasses.

>>388750703
For 2 weeks, absolutely. But then you probably want to put yourself on suicide watch.

>>388750497
Yes and yes, infact it's been proven that people can tell 240hz apart from 144hz and perform statistically better on the former.

You can test it yourself, download the beta on PC and play a few matches with locked 30 and locked 60, there is an option for it in the video menu, and see in which you perform better.

>>388745220
Wait Black Ops 3 has the same problem?

>>388750703
depends on how much content is in at launch. d1 had almost none. You could be done with the game, have done the raid, and have nothing left to get after ~15 hours done. They SAY they've added more content but if that's true remains to be seen.

>>388750620
>Destiny 1 is widely agreed to have some of the best gunplay in any game

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>pick warlock thinking I'd be able to use magic just as much as guns against enemies
>mfw all abilities have half an hour cooldowns

>>388750920
No human can react in the span of ~20ms 60 times in a row, physical impossibility. 60fps is smoother, graphically. Looks nicer absolutely. 144hz and 240hz are great too, it looks beautiful. But, there's no gameplay advantage. That's distinctly a placebo. Especially in an FPS like this where everything is tied not by mere frames like in a fighter, but by proper seconds.

>>388750321
There's more to a shooter than twitch speed

>>388750757
Thought the same at first but the melee perk for it is great once you get used to it

>>388750757
bruh melee into dodge near enemies so your melee recharges fucking reks bishes

>>388751101
Not only that but they suck ass.

>grenade
>heal / damage zone
>AAAAAAND THAT'S IT ENJOY THE GAME GOY

... what ?

>>388751103
especially in low tick rate p2p lobbies

>>388751053
That was not an absolute statement or my own opinion.

>>388751108
my nigga

>>388744319
Basically this:
>>388744645

But if you want the very long version then hold onto your butts:

So if anyone started taking an interest in Bungie as a developer back in the mid-late 2000s (or went looking for Halo 3 easter eggs) then you probably think of Bungie founder Jason Jones as some sort of mythical mystery man with a masterplan.

In reality the guy is a complete fucking hack. He belongs up there with the likes of Peter Molyneux, Tim Schafer and Sean Murray but he's too shy and reclusive to go say a bunch of dumb shit in public.

The Marathon and Myst games somehow came out just fine but starting with Halo the man started completely overreaching and dreamed way bigger than the studio can realistically follow through with. At the beginning of Halo 1 Bungie had three games in production and a second studio. They cancelled one game and when the second studio got their game out they closed up, moved back across the country to merg back into Bungie just so they could get Halo done. Halo as you know is barely 60% of a game. They had you running backwards through levels because they didn't have time to make the other 40% of the game.

Then Halo 2 was a well documented disaster. Again under his leadership they overreached, infamously cut off the last third of the game and shipped it like that. What you might have missed is that during Halo 2 Jones just fucking quit his job as director of Halo 2. He went into a room and just stopped working on Halo 2 and supposedly started dreaming up the next big thing.

He was completely absent for Halo 3, ODST and Reach. Other Bungie employees stepped up and got Bungie on track. These three games were developed smoothly and without Bungie freaking the fuck out but then Jason Jones came out of whatever closet he was hiding in at the studio and told them his plan for Destiny.

>>388751238
That too. tickrate's like what, fucking 32? no amount of frame advantage is going to help you with the 2 second delay on killing some kid using wifi on his 8 year old laptop.

>>388750620
>Destiny 1 is widely agreed to have some of the best gunplay in any game

Step up your game, viral-san

>>388751101
Jesus fuck this right here.

I understand cooldowns like that in PvP, but fucking hell, it makes the PvE a slog.

>>388743438
And you're still going to buy it. Like everyone else.

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I was actually making fun of the game since reveal but the PC port changed my mind somewhat. My main gripe is that handcannons are way too powerful on PC, I can easily go on 10x kill streaks and end on 5.0+ KDR because no one else presents a threat unless they themselves are using handcannons.

So long as the expansions arent as barebones as the first games expansions, then I may pick it up

>>388746350
shitter master race reporting. they killed me twice!
there is a reason why the word smooth is being used over and over again. it plays beautifully. i thought the guns were great (i used the sunburst and some SMG for the most part) I assume they are saving the "new" enemy models to give you some suprises. I thought the mobility was really good. slide and shoot worked fantastic for me.

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>>388747617
I've sunk about 2k hours in Warframe and 340 hours in the 3 Borderlands games combined. All 3 are different despite at its core they're all about weapon/level progression.

To me, Warframe has been really about mastering the meta. Finding a way to finish missions as quick as possible to gain the fastest amount of exp to max out your arsenal. Having the best possible gear plays a big role in this. Its endgame revolved mostly about the leaderboard scores (if you and your clan cared about that) and maxing out everything available.

Borderlands was more about obtaining rare (legendary) loot. Its progression came from upgrading your arsenal with new weapons and character levels. There wasn't much of an end game besides defeating bosses as quick as possible.

I haven't played Destiny 1 before but from my understanding it's main goal is to max out your preferred build and then obtain the rare equipment from raid bosses. It's leaning more towards Borderlands but with less loot. Not that that's a bad thing, most of Borderland's loot was just junk anyways to reach the "bazillion guns" promise.

>>388751131
>enemies just Melee you when you land every single time

Aka worthless in raids and nightfall.

>>388751103
This isn't about reacting in a 20ms window, this is about reacting 20ms sooner. You also get feedback twice as often, which helps tremendously when aiming. As for >>388751238, the hitboxes are local, meaning if you hit them on your screen and have a reasonable ping, you hit them.

>>388751646
fair, I really only played pvp since one run through the strike was enough.

With that in mind, not sure what class Id pick if I bought this shit

>>388751742
that's the opposite of what it means though. no matter how quickly you react if they're at a shitty ping/connection to the host, they can kill you no matter how garbage their setup is just as easily as you having dead on perfect aim taking only 2ms to line up a headshot. That's just p2p man.

And you're still not reacting 20ms sooner unless you're lining up your reloads with your fucking refresh rate, which, hey if you manage that, congratulations, maybe you're that physical impossibility I was talking about.

>>388745315
I can see how someone likes the art-style/direction but the engine is really weak and it shows. Its all very low poly, flat surfaces, shitty shadowmaps.

Well it just looks like a playstation game and even the 200fps cant help with that.

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>>388751279
>it wasn't my argument or opinion, I'm just arguing for someone else

>>388751104
You can have all the positioning and map knowledge you want, if you can't line up those headshots, you'll never be good. Also Halo rewards consistency with aim above else, unlike 1 frame kills in CoD.

>>388746134
smoothest when it somehow has even more aliasing than gta 5? Didnt think it was possible.

>>388746984
But that's Borderlands, Destiny manages to take that and make it worse but have that AAA like polish so normies will eat it up.

>>388751967
Twitch shooting isn't about "lining up headshots"

I just started today and the amount of titans I see is pretty ridiculous especially compared to warlocks. Hand Cannon destroys every class, but still.

>>388745590
>A majority of the staff from the original Bungie do not work there anymore.
Except that's not true most of the people from Bungie are still there minus a few important people.

>>388748823
If you reword your post to "less shit" i might spend another (You)

>>388751470
They really need to fix the rifles.

Because art style and graphics for a big development company is child's play. There's lot of hirable talent in that area, but to make a actual good game? It takes much more. It's the same thing as music, more and more people are trying to go into game development with little to no real talent. And when the entire team is made up of such special snowflakes, you get a shit game.

>>388751892
Please, go download it on PC, it runs on netbooks, play a few matches on 30 and then on 60 and come back and tell me if you performed the same. At this point I'm convinced you're just trolling me and it's working, because I'm starting to get my jimmies rustled.

>>388752249
Yeah, the scout rifle is one of the high impact - low rate of fire, yet it is entirely outclassed by the handcannon despite the fact the scout rifle having better range.

I think its also due to the smaller map size, reducing the playercount means smaller maps and more focus on CQC weapons and tactics, so looks like shotgun meta is still gonna be present

>>388751101
>pick warlock thinking I'd be able to use magic just as much as guns against enemies
>turns out I'm just a shitty healer in a shitty Tank - DPS - Healer holy trinity that shouldn't even exist in a game like this
if there aren't more classes on full release then this game is fucked

>>388752541
I have, I've also played call of duty on pc, battlefield on PC, and fighting games on PC. the only one of those that is conferred a distinct advantage by 60fps is fighting games, because individual frames actually matter.
they don't in destiny 2. I think you're the one trying to troll here, so fuck off.

>>388752817
there's 3 classes, with 3 subclasses each. only 1 ability with 2 splits (Though there's room for a 3rd so maybe that's introduced and it'll be something totally new, but probably not, just another modifier).

Maybe the expansions though.

>>388752817
They didn't even give us new subclasses. Shit they didn't even give us new skills. There is a literal 0% chance of a new class.

>>388752817
>healer
m8, toggle the the power pool so that it increases damage instead of increased healing.

Bungie
Doesn't
Work

>>388743438
>destiny is shit
It took you retards another game in the series to figure this out?

>>388753168
It's PCbros first time out. Everything looks 10/10 when you're looking up the hill at consoles.

>>388752989
>>388753035
>>388753063
thats pretty fucked
say what you will about bonerlands but at least that game had 4 characters that all played completely differently, with 3 different skill trees each, with each skill tree having a bunch of different perks that have levels up to 5
the fact that bungie gets beat by a game made by actual retards in 2009 is sad

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>>388752889
>is so bad he isn't bottlenecked by framerate
>tells others to fuck off

>>388752817
>>388753035
>more classes
Don't count on them ever adding a new class. To do so would be considered counter-productive on their part since they've spent the entire life-cycle of Destiny only showing 3 classes. The 3 classes and the Traveler are integral to Destiny's image and it would take someone high up to decide to change that.

>>388753467
>being bottlenecked by 2 second reload animations that take the same amount of frames no matter what
???

>>388753569
Shit they can keep the three classes, at least make the subclasses unique and spice up the abilities.

>>388753569
Destiny 3 or possible even 2's expansions are likely to have Fallen races or Fallen inspired classes due to leak dialogue

>>388753381
The classes don't play ANYTHING like one another though.

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>>388746568
>>388746984
>diablo with guns
>without builds
you can say it's 'diablo with guns' in concept but not in practice. over 50% of the enjoyment in ARPGs is theorycrafting and trying new builds so you can run them through the gauntlet of the actual combat. Not to mention the other 50% of enjoyment comes from the actual combat being satisfying due to crazy abilities that blow up hundreds of enemies at once. The closest thing to a 'diablo with guns' is Warframe. destiny is just a generic fps with loot tacked on.

>>388753748
I can believe a Fallen inspired Subclass. Maybe a new race.

>>388753749
they all use the same fucking guns and the cooldowns are so long they all feel the same. There are passive abilities like in bonerlands but they are so situational I barely noticed they were even there until I checked.

>>388749170
It's Diablo with only the first 2 difficulties.
Bigger skill trees & elite mob modifiers would have made grinding more interesting, but Coop secrions also felt underwhelming. They played like diablo boss sequences, but didnt translate well in a 3D game. The strikes/raids should have played more like a WoW instance/Raids. People figured them out quick and once you knew the trick it was all a matter of finding enough bodies with appropriate gear to guide around like sheep.

>>388744598

I downloaded the open beta, finished the tutorial/intro, played 2 games in each mode and uninstalled.

Generic, uninspired fps with gimmicky skills that nobody really uses because shooting people is more effective.

Until the one round where people start getting super-charges and everything gets even fucking dumber.

>>388744893
>>388749463

The parts of the Intro with fire were absolutely horrible. The fire was so fucking bright and it ruined the whole room, even if you had your back to it or if it was far away.

>>388754227
If you just ignore the class abilities and movement abilities and melee variances sure, I guess.

>>388750085
Can you max out the game or can you only go on high? I have a 6600k at 4.4 with a 480 and it runs well only on medium high while I've seen many videos of people with the same setup playing 60 fps at highest

Never tried 1, tried the beta for 2 on PC. Can't say i'm all that impressed, quickly lost it's appeal while doing intro and the 1 PvE mission available.

Inverted Spire had some nice scenery though.

>>388753569
And that it would require an ounce of effort.

>>388743438
This game has no waifus so it's shit

>>388743438
Graphics sell, not the game itself.

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>Remember how the Fallen gave up their war against the City
>Just kidding they're back
>Remember how we crippled the Hive?
>They're back too, no big deal
>Remember how we killed Oryx?
>Doesn't matter, the Taken are returning as well

I wish they made the City an actual area you could explore instead of just blowing it up.

>>388755680
Bungo working on finding out just how far journalists will go for a press pass.

>>388755680
>Remember how we killed Oryx

Shh, nobody tell him

>>388755306
Commander Holiday

>>388743438
>>Guns feel like shit.
>>Mobility and jet pack feel like shit.
>>Class abilities are pretty much useless.
>>Uninspired enemies that pose zero challenge.
>>Bosses are bullet soaks and not much more.


this is how i know you didnt play destiny or destiny 3 beta and are merely doing damage control.

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>>388755614
Except millions of people play the game
Lemme guess, they all have shit taste and /v/ is the ultimate judge on what is/isn't good?
>>388755306
Lies

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>>388743438
i love the fact that this game is basically diablo with guns!

better than borderlands, the division and every other peer in its genre

pure bad ass

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>>388756115

We destroyed him in his ascendant realm. We literally fulfilled EVERY requirement necessary to permanently kill him.

>If my echoes are killed, and I am killed in the material world, then I will be driven back to my throne the Dreadnaught. If my Court and my throne can be beaten, if I am confronted in my throne, if I am defeated there, then I will die. My work will end.

What have I not been told?

>>388756425
You haven't actually done it, obviously. he fucking flies away to saturn at the end of the fight.

>>388756515

What? No he doesn't, what the fuck are you talking about.

>>388756165
Kinda bland my nig.

Why have a space magic game with only a blonde haired human as a waifu

>>388756728
he does. Go watch some youtube footage, after you "kill" him his body flies away towards saturn.

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the game is so fucking slow
It manages to be slower than pubg...
Pubg.

>>388756425
Leaked audio files hint Oryx isn't dead

>>388756165
Millions of flies can't be wrong!

>>388756843

That's his corpse floating away, you dumb nigger. And even if he did survive, we wrecked his court. His worm will kill him anyways.

>>388756952
Matches in destiny 2= 10 minutes very maximum
matches in pubg=8 hours of running around alone

>>388748248
>Borderlands enemies were fun to fight

Someone never got to endgame, where all you do is Grog Nozzle+Pimpernel of the appropriate element.

>>388756165
>millions of people can't be wrong
How many people stopped playing before the last expansion came out?

>>388757001
>his corpse floating to his base planet
HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
he's not dead, motherfucker.

Question, does everyone play together or are PC/ the different consoles segregated?

>>388757130
>he's not dead

I can accept this because apparently >>388756979

But not because your dumb ass thought he was flying to Saturn.
>his base planet
You're just making shit up at this point.

We took Oryx's worm and used it within an exotic weapon.

I only wish the AI was in the very least a RNG such as in Final Fantasy.

Right now they are literally mindless zombies who just happen to shoot back at you, but they have literally zero intelligence.

Not only that, but they are way too easy and killing them becomes just a chore.

The boss is the exact same thing, but they made it have 100x more HP and you basically just have to shoot it more.

Borderlands was unironically much better than this.

>>388751569
Warframe has been about grinding your fucking eyes out to no real content.

Hoping the next big update adds something other than just open world shit.

>>388752889
60fps? What are you, a faggot? Who the fuck would pvp in 60 fps, the 90s are gone and will never come back pleb.

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>PCfags not even to the 'no-content' part before rejecting this plate of steaming diarrhea

>>388747469
They already lost their touch after Halo 3 but seeing how Reach was what they've always wanted to make, I'll just say that they never had it and Microsoft kept them in line.

>>388749353
>>388749364
Not him, yeah, It's Halo Reach, not Halo, kill yourself Bungiefags.

>>388757990
>Reach was what they've always wanted to make

Reach was bungie prototyping ideas for Destiny. At that point they didn't give a single shit about halo anymore

>>388755110
>le ounce of effort meme
They're not gonna do it because they think it would be putting resources in the wrong places.

>>388749986
It feels like Reach (the worst Halo game), this piece of shit feels nothing like Halo 1-3, calling Destiny those games is an insult to those games. Fucking Bungiefags.

>>388757990
It's sad that CoD with abilities is what Bungie always aspired to be

>>388758357
Halo 2/3 weren't that good...

>>388757653
Not true, they take cover and actively try to dodge your attacks. Way better than other AI I've seen in games.

>>388757089
>>388756985
I'll quicker believe the millions than a bunch of no-fun shitposting hicks on a Tibetan throat singing board

>>388758612
well thats your problem

>>388758286
It clearly showed:
>canon inconsistencies with Halo 1-3 and the novels
>complete gameplay changes
>terrible campaign and multiplayer
>story was almost non-existent
Sounds just like Destiny.

>>388758857
Video Games have more important things to worry about than canon

>>388752125
>staten gone
>marty gone
>Griesiemer gone
>most of the people who worked on destiny were only brought on for Reach
>the only Grizzled Ancient left is Jason Jones and he was complicit in the firing of Marty

Marty and Griesiemer, the dude who designed the weapon sandbox and vehicle gameplay of Halo, are now at Highwire.

The only people worth repecting at bungie are the artists.

>>388758663
And who are you? The fucking gatekeeper of what's good and what's shit?

>>388758313
Calling something a meme doesn't make it not true. But you're exactly right about that second part. They can't afford to make new reload animations, they've got a lot to tackle before they can crank out a whole new class.

>>388755680
Oryx has two sisters that are also leaders of the Hive.

>>388759109
lol butthurt

>>388757653

Which is a shame because one of the things Halo genuinely was a trail-blazer in was its use of enemy AI. Coordinated grenade throws, feinting back and then striking suddenly, flanking, suppressing you behind cover with full auto weapons, etc. The enemy was dumb but it at least tried stuff in reaction to your actions.

But who knows, maybe they deliberately kept it simple for the beta. This wasn't a demo afterall, it's a stress test.

>>388758407
>>388758407
Halo 3 was the best in the series and Halo 2 had an incredible multiplayer, each one of those three games was special, but after that Bungie went to shit, or could I say showed their true colors since Microsoft was no longer on their ass.

>>388758387
It really is, everything about Halo was a lie.

>>388743438
I can't even connect to the fucking servers.

>>388758612
You ignored mine even though you replied to it, take back your (You).

I share the same sentiments as OP.

It's so weird to see Bungie regress like this. They were known for creating these dynamic, tactical battles against different types of enemies, and now they're just pushing out what is essentially a nicer version of Borderlands.

Battles are devoid of the tactical play associated with Halo. Everything feels so flat.

>>388758857

>music is somber and uninspired

>>388759020
That's why Reach was shit right?

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>>388757674

It won't.

On the other hand. As far as creativity in weapon and player character design and mobility goes, Warframe fucking murders Destiny.

Too bad about the shitty procedural levels and poor enemy variety. DE can actually create fun bosses, but since the community is geared towards grind, they focus on dropping the next prime package for autists to grind out. If they took the time to expand their level assets and design new enemies (NEW enemies, none of that X Lancer, X Bursa), the game would improved exponentially.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Addk7cl5smg
Meanwhile, this is a thing now.

>>388759320
Thanks, I missed that.

>>388743438
>cinematic Choreography
>the closest thing to any actual choreography is Zavala holding a bubble

>>388756310
>that filename
You have mental issues

>>388758612
I'll quicker believe the people on my friends lists and who I know in real life than the "millions" of internet people. Weird that this same exact mismatch happens with Overwatch which is also owned by Activision.

>>388759615

It's like all they know how to use is horns and percussion.

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>>388759540
>Ubisoft

i'm considering buying the first one version with all dlcs
have they announced the end of updates?does it still have iron banner or what

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>>388759716
>normalfags

>>388759540
still looks like boring garbage.

>>388759216
>Halo 3 was the best in the series
that's not saying much...

>each one of those three games was special
Sure, if you were 12 at the time

Anyone else having connection issues?

>>388760064

Nope, 4chan seem fine.

>>388760225
with Destiny you fuck

>>388759716
>HE DOESNT HAVE A BLOOD-LETTING FETISH

This place used to be full of neets and weirdos. now its just normalfags

>>388743438
>gunplay is shit
Wrong.

>>388743438
>Guns feel like shit.
Cs go fag detected. Guns feel smooth and fantastic

>Uninspired enemies that pose zero challenge

It's the beta. You aren't going to be met with real challenge until later in the game.

>Bosses are bullet soaks and not much more.

Again. Think of it like an mmo, the dungeon and raid bosses have phases and will fuck you up. I know you didn't play Destiny 1 though.

>Story-line is the most generic shit imaginable

The lore is actually pretty fucking good.

>Characters are fucking obnoxious.

Agree the new quip maarvel character is fucking gay

>>388759779
I know right.

>>388751101
Melee kills recharge your nade dumdum

If you actually read the skills you'd know that

Should I get the game? I can't make my own opinion and need to know what some strangers think so I can decide how I can spend my hard earned money

>>388744598
I mean, I like destiny 1 (I didn't pick it up until around Taken King) and I put way too many hours into it.

It's not good in many regards, but it's a comfy and simple game that lets me just turn my mind off and fuck around with friends.

I'll be getting 2 along with a ton of other people I know, and it'll be fun, but I'm not expecting anything mind blowing from this game.

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If they can't even make fresh reload animations what makes people think they'll put the effort into improving shit like patrols and amount of content?

>>388754280

Same here. And I was ready to buy as I never played 1.

I can't believe console player liked this, what a poor taste.

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>>388761853
I'm not sure anon
Maybe if you'd watched some of the fucking videos about patrol, you'd know the answer

>>388747985
>Hunter's dodge roll is vital for snap kills, especially if you're gonna be using a handcannon with it's 8 year long reload

Literally McCree?

>>388762279
Yeah they look pretty fuckin identical my man not going to lie. A reskinned cryptarch with some new text slapped on doesn't exactly cause me to bust a nut.

>>388761853
What the fuck is a fresh reload? God damned hip kiddie. 90% of you whiney faggots that complain about gunplay have probably never even shot a variety of guns in real life. So annoying just kys and go back to CoD and CSGO.

You guys have too high expectations of games. Why can't you appreciate the things you like in the game instead of exhausting your mind to find gripes to outweigh them?

>>388761693
It's gonna be a fun game. Depends how long you generally play games for. Because it will be progression based and go for a few years.

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>>388762617
>Lost Sectors
>Adventures/Weekly Adventures
>Heroic Patrols
>World Bosses
>patrol zones are factually larger
Seems like you're viewing the world through shit-colored glasses

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>>388761784
> turn my mind off

you are the target audience

>have a melee ability
>enemies never get close enough to use it
>don't have other abilities that make it worth running towards an enemy and using melee
I don't get it

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>>388763004
Whoa nelly
How long did it take you to think of that one

>>388762684
Read my son. When you think you've got all the words read and read some more.

>>388762850
The events and shit in D1 seemed pretty neat at first too. Until you play one for a second time and realize how half-baked braindead as fuck they are and they're more of chores than treats if you've found yourself unfortunate enough to need to do them for whatever reason.

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>>388763156
just a fact my man. I play games to engage myself not to tune out and become a zombie. Enjoy Destiny 2, it's designed from the ground up just for you and the other kids.

>>388763313
Maybe you're just braindead with your shit opinions.

>chores than treats
How many dicks have you sucked lately?

>>388762753
Man children who have never worked a day in their lives only know how to be critical of others instead of realizing the problem is their immaturity.

>>388763839
Why are you being mean anon? I'm trying to have a discussion about a video game and you're lashing out like some wild animal.

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>>388746134
>>388746278
>tfw teammates kept dying in the same spot to the drill

>>388763769
>posts a picture from star trek, a kids show

>>388748823
>The Division runs better while looking better


oh so all these hate threads are done by the divison team as they got a big new patch coming out.

>>388755680
When Oryx died, the Taken didn't just disappear. Neither did the Hive. The Taken are mostly leaderless, but I imagine the Hive moved to following either the next biggest person in the local hierarchy, Nokris, or one of Oryx's sisters.

It was boring as shit, but I can't tell if it's because it's a beta or what.
You are not supposed to start at level 20 and that gear, are you? can't customize class or anything?
Felt more like a dumbed down and severely cut demo instead of a beta really, I don't think I can judge properly but 60 ridoos seems like way too much.

>>388744887
Controllers work like they do on console and shitters are using this as an excuse for not being able to git gud at crucible. A mouse and keyboard is still miles better and no, a Xim4 isn't better because all it does is emulate a controller. You don't get the raw input of a mouse AND aim assist, you're pretty much mimicking the shitty accelerated movement of a joystick in a weird way.

It's the new "I died because of lag!" shitter excuse.

>>388748481
It's just the usual le ebin /v/edditors try to pull another tortanic exDEE. People are trying hard to fit in right now.

>>388765792
>You are not supposed to start at level 20 and that gear, are you?

I think you may start the story with that level and gear, to reflect how strong the player was at the end of the first game, but after the big bad whitey kicks you off, you'll probably revert back to level 1 and basic gear and abilities.

I think the demo really suffers because of this though, the Destiny 1 beta let you explore around the russia area and also the moon on top of the first strike and multiplayer on two maps.

I don't understand the appeal of this game, since the weapons seem to be presets yet people claim it's loot, which makes me think of Borderlands with the weird weapon stats that you could get.

>>388766249
They said the D2 beta wasn't as big as D1 for a couple reasons
1. They showed too much in the D1 beta (I agree, I still remember the LITERALLY 1/4 OF THE GAME threads)
2. They said (I'm ad libbing here a bit) that with D1, they had to sell the concept of "wander and loot n shoot". With D2, everyone already knows how the game works, so they don't have to prove their concept
But like many others, the lack of content really killed it for me, and made me not want to buy it

>>388766681
Yeah I can agree with those reasons, I'm just saying why some might find the beta for 2 too simple. Would've been nice to get a heroric option for the strike as well.

>>388766681
>everyone already knows how the game works
not pee see players

>>388744850
>Gunplay on CO some is better.

Playing a fps with a controller is shit whatever the game is.

>>388763769
I also play a ton of Tekken and Siege, it's nice to have a game where you don't have to compete so hard in once in a while

>>388746478
nice bait

>>388767829
Hence why they really should've put more thought into the beta, or at least shown something a little more exciting

>Guns feel like shit

You couldn't possibly be more wrong

>>388768629
>>388767829
I feel like they should've let one of the open world areas be explorable to show off how they're changing those up in destiny 2 as well.

>>388743438
Agreed.
Gameplay is ass.

>>388743438
That's what activision does nowadays.

The game is easy as shit because you're using end-game weapons plus this is not everything destiny has to offer.

>>388743438
not gonna lie, the Beta co op mission we got, the planet loked straight out of No Mans Sky

>>388767853
Oh look it's another idiot that doesn't know what gunplay means.

These are the idiots saying Destiny has bad gunplay. Don't even know what they're talking about. If anything consoles would be better because pulling a controller trigger is more realistic than clicking your mouse button.

>>388769253
The aiming with the mouse is still tons better than on console but the movement with the keys feels fucked up.
The game controls like shit.

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>>388769146
Yeah I had that vibe too, huge saturated color, lots of green and red

>>388751312
I believe he is also the one in the company playing house nigger to Activision.

>>388743438
How did the people who made fucking Halo 2/3 fail at making a good multiplayer shooter?

>>388769450
Mayb ur jus shit m8

>>388770275
The people that made Halo have long left Bungie.

>>388744598
I think offering a f2p demo was probably their worst idea ever. It runs fine on my computer, and I sort of like it, but I'm just immediately aware of how boring and lame the game is, that intro level of just killing the same mob a hundred fucking times? And then you play multiplayer and it's just getting one shot by people behind you, despite running forward the whole game.

it's garbage