Sonic Mania Has Denuzo - NO REFUNDS

>>388733506
Ok

>>388733946
yes

>>388733506
>Hm, a game made by fans in the vision of fans that has everything they ever wanted
>Sega has practically no hand in it
>How could they possibly fuck it up?

yeah its a complete shitshow and it all could have been avoided by literally doing nothing
also if you bought a key from humble bundle or bundlestars and activated it on steam there is literally on option for getting a refund

>>388733506
Im glad i don't live in america so i was able to refund it

>>388734552
When it's something they've always used as justification you can hardly act like this is coming out of the blue. People didn't suddenly and inexplicably start finding Denuvo unacceptable.

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Post yfw you own Sonic Mania for the best platform, gaining the best possible gaming experience.

>>388734552
We had the right to move on too, you know?
Now pc users must fight until the game is cleansed from that shit, people who actually PAID for that game was also wronged here.

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>>388733506

mustards, not even once

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>>388734801
Bought it on PC and gifted it to a few friends. Shit is phenomenal.

>>388733506
>BUYING
>GAMES
heh

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>>388733506
so this.......................is pc gaming.............................woah

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yD1JEHscdRA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yD1JEHscdRA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yD1JEHscdRA

IT'S UP

A few days ago i alnost bought this game but got crash remske instead. I was gonna buy it but now im gonna pirate

>>388733506
>I want a refund because I can no longer pirate this game I was going to buy!

lmao ok

>>388734958
>Jim "I love Anita" Sterling
/r/games is that way

>>388735331
The game lied about having denuvo which is essentially malware

MUSTARD RACE

>>388733506
2 week refund window starts when the game comes out, not when you buy it.

To be fair, the PC market are all disgusting pirates so they deserve this kind of treatment.

>>388735436
What does it do?

>>388735436
Where does sega say they weren't going to use drm?

>>388735556
Sonic 1 was gifted to people on the 15th and Steam counts that as "when the game comes out" for Mania.
>>388735591
https://whyisdenuvobad.github.io/
>>388735627
Omitting that the game has DRM is the same as lying about it in this base because Steam has a policy where you HAVE to announce any third-party DRM. Steam failed to do so and only added it to the page after the game was released and people found out they were abused.

>>388735591
It can potentially break your harddrive by making it overaccess files

>>388735627
It took a full day before the steam store page said it had denuvo and the pre-order page was up for 2 weeks without stating that it had denuvo.
>>388735591
Monitors you and greatly hinders the performance of the game. Look at the shitshow that was arkham knight's PC port to see the problems with Denuvo

>>388735735
>>388735740
Nope, I want you to tell me exactly what the Denuvo included with Sonic Mania does. No generalities.

Can somebody upload the updated files?

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>>388734923
>Only game I've been looking forward to all year
>Buy it for myself, gift it to my father (big Sonic fan since the original days) and another friend of mine (Also a huge Sonic fan).
>Dad can't play it because of denuvo taxing his system
>Other friend refuses to support this type of practice
>Can't even refund it

It's amazing how shitty having faith in and trying to support a company doing something you like instead of just openly pirating it does to someone's soul. I guess back to pirating everything again till something else does it again or I've learned my lesson.

>>388735575
To be fair, the videogame industry is all disgusting kikes so they deserve this kind of treatment.

>>388733506
Wow, get scammed on. This is just dirty.

>>388735806
The generalties apply to Mania. Can't play offline because of Denuvo's authentication and the game has reportedly ran unnaturally slow and had frame drops relative to the hardware it's on for some people.

http://gamestorrent.co/sonic-mania-full-unlocked.html

http://gamestorrent.co/sonic-mania-full-unlocked.html

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http://gamestorrent.co/sonic-mania-full-unlocked.html

http://gamestorrent.co/sonic-mania-full-unlocked.html

Thanks IGGGAMES

>>388735976
>the game has reportedly ran unnaturally slow and had frame drops relative to the hardware it's on for some people.
>reportedly
In other words, "it's rumored that".

>>388736041
Shill detected

>>388735735
>Omitting that the game has DRM is the same as lying about it
No it's not.

>>388735792
So it's actually up on the page, and they didn't say they weren't going to use it so that's not really a problem

>>388736084
Great argument. You know that this shit doesn't affect anything and you're still trying to stir up shit.

>denuvo mania

EAT SHIT PCKEKS

>>388735976

You can play offline and there is literally no evidence that Denuvo effects performance in any way. These are just idiots trying to play games on virus infested toasters.

>obfuscating code using using a virtual machine
>0 performance loss
Those two don't go together.

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>>388736010
thanks for nothing

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>>388733506
>play pubg
>get crates
>sell em
>use gabe bux on sanic mania and hollow knight

not even mad. drm shit wont stop my sega fan boi hype. best sonic in 20 years. fight me.

>>388736187
>>388736195
>Denuvo stops games from supporting Linux or OS X. Not only do the publishers not release ports, but using Denuvo means third parties like the Wine project can't support them either. Games like Inside, the sequel to Limbo, are an example of Denuvo stopping Linux support. Limbo supported Linux and OS X, and Inside is built using Unity engine which can easily make Linux builds. But because they are using Denuvo, it can't be played on any other operating system. Another example is Doom 2016. The beta version worked great on Linux when used with Wine project. But the final release came encumbered with Denuvo, effectively stopping Wine from supporting the game on Linux and OS X. Preventing games from working on other operating systems is anti-consumer.
Denuvo games require reactivation if you haven't played them in a while or if you change any of your computer's hardware, and you must authenticate with Denuvo servers every time you receive an update (Simply allowing Steam to update is not enough. You must also open the game once while connected to the internet after each update). They don't require always online, but they do require sometimes online. Some people don't believe this, so here's proof:

>>388733506
>Pre-ordering in 2017

Teaches those cucks right.

>>388736452
Damn, I hope those goalposts have wheels. Wouldn't want you to tucker yourself out moving them so much.

>Give players a free copy of Sonic 1 under the guise of an apology
>People who pre-ordered find this out and attempt to refund
Refund what?

>>388736456
>not-preordering
>2017

enjoy not playing as soon as I do, loser

What's the matter, Master Race?

>>388733506
pre-orders fags BTFO

Switch owner here, who hasn't played a video game on for almost 10 years when I used to play CS 1.6. Everyone in this thread who is playing devil's advocate for Denuvo is a huge faggot. It happens in other threads about other topics too. Why do you fuckers always have to defend everything that is bad even if there are zero redeeming qualities? Give me an argument besides, "Why don't you just tolerate it?" Even tell me that it legitimately prevents piracy, so PCbros are just being brats and I'll accept it. Does it prevent piracy?

>>388736630

Are you 12?

man i sure do wish i was part of the master race, i feel like im really missing out

>>388736720
>Why do you fuckers always have to defend everything that is bad even if there are zero redeeming qualities?
Just because I shit on people who are upset about it doesn't mean I'm defending it. I don't like the idea of Denuvo, but it doesn't affect me at all. What does affect me are legions of butthurt pirates bitching and moaning about how they can't pirate the game they already bought, drowning out all discussion of the game.

>>388736720

Same reason mosts posts are made here, to cause a reaction.

>>388736868
Your claim that these threads drown out legitimate discussion of the game is bullshit. You can start a thread to discuss the things you like or dislike about the game and it will get replies. Are you suggesting that there aren't more people like you who would participate in that thread? Or maybe people like you are just attracted to threads like this instead.

>>388736761
no, are you?

>>388737093
>You can start a thread to discuss the things you like or dislike about the game and it will get replies.
Yeah, replies bitching about Denuvo. That's why I'm frustrated in the first place.

>>388737019
It's pathetic to think most posts that are made here are just lonely neckbeards desperately reaching out for scraps of human contact, like a whale sustaining itself on plankton.

>>388734958
>>388735334

>Jim "cucking" Sterling

Fuck off faggot, NeoGaf is where you should be.

>>388734659
There's no option for getting a refund if you bought it on Steam either, as it will automatically be rejected because of the Sonic 1 ROM no one asked for.

>>388736106
>>Omitting that the game has DRM is the same as lying about it
>No it's not.
Actually it is, as it is omitting details about the delivery of the content. Or at least that's how it works in UK and European Law.

>>388736628
Sonic Mania, what else?

>everybody whining they can't get a refund
>requested a refund
>got it
What's the problem?

>>388737492
Prove it.

>>388737318
Again, bullshit. I just told you that there are many people on this board who would love to discuss the game. If I saw two threads, one about Denuvo, and one talking about the game itself, I would choose the latter and probably post some music. You are bumping this thread instead of making a different one while complaining that there's no place to discuss the game. You don't seem to want to discuss it at all.

>>388736868
Not him but i can see you are just an idiot.

Pc pirating is not as easy as it seems, and there were a lot of legit users who complained (read: EVERYONE!)

i stopped pirating since the first trackmania game around 2005 or so, STARFORCE WAS A BITCH!

The point is, DRM is a stupid thing that affects everyone, not only pirates, and if you really believe every pc user is a pirate then get out of this site and return to your safe space cuz you are gonna see more of this until it gets fixed.

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>>388734801
Feels fucking good man

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>>388737492
The same retards that believe the PS4 is a good console.

>>388733506
I pre-ordered and didn't even get Sonic 1, what a ripoff

>Buy it on console
>Don't have to wait 2 weeks
>Can play it offline
>Same experience
>Handheld option if you're a Switch owner and care about that
m-muh mods

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>>388737576
>Pc pirating is not as easy as it seems
Goodness gracious. Pirating on PC is idiot proof. The installers even come with the option to install the crack to the installation directory so you don't even need to drag and drop files.

>>388737719
I think this whole deal is great at exposing the bandwagoning that formed around this game. None of you actually care about Sonic or the game, it's just a social experience for you sad miserable virgins.

>>388737464
>Sonic Mania, what else?
You mean the game they got for free? Just delete it.

>>388735591
>Eitherr always online or needs to check online every once in a while
>Limited installations over a period of time
>Fucks with performance
>May fuck your hardware
>Inflates development costs
>Only affects paying customers
For this game in particular
>They outright lied about it and keep doing so "It's just a bug bruh"
>2 weeks of delay to add DRM

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I feel bad for the devs.

>>388733506
setting aside delays and denuvo, is sonic mania a good game?

>>388737807
>None of you actually care about Sonic or the game
What are you talking about? I played through the game 4 times in the two weeks mustards were complaining about a delay.

>>388737719
>same experience
>when console cucks can't even glide as knuckles without turning into super knuckles

>>388734723
I'm glad I didn't preorder like a fucking retard.
I'll wait for a 90% sale and pirate it in the meantime.

>>388733506
I'm refunding it.

What a damn shame.

>>388737807
I like the game, but your comment about bandwagoning is correct. Suddenly Sonic is and always has been fantastic and all the legitimate qualms with the series are now void. Sonic is even better than Mario now.

>>388734958
e-celebs are a cancer but in this case they can be of some use by railing against sega

>>388737920
Sure you did, Wojak. Sure you did.

>>388733506
Sega being complete idiot this time. No contest.
>game based on retro pandering
>retro autist pandering nonetheless
>cheap
Are they woried about BR segamonkeys pirating their game that much? Shits not even appealing for pirates/teenagers.

>>388737953
Oh yeah, that's totally worth a delay and Denuvo. lol

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>>388737990
>Gotta pre-order those digital games! They might run out of stock on release day!

>>388738052
Even a broken clock is right twice a day

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>>388738084
>console fags are so impatient and childish they can't even wait 2 weeks
>they think Denuvo detracts from the experience itself

>>388737492
I didn't get a refund when I requested a refund, that's my problem. The fact that Sega weren't upfront about it, is also a serious issue, and I will be contacting the ASA about that later.

>>388737829
Are you retarded? We paid for Sonic Mania, and can't refund Sonic Mania. I don't know how to state that any clearer.

What a stupid mistake on Sega's part to do this.
What a shame
What an absolute tragedy.

If they want to win back consumers they will have to remove this DRM, they are losing MILLIONS in sales from this and they have noone to blame but themselves

At least they patched it so it runs offline now.

>>388737761
>Pirating on PC is idiot proof
Have you ever read comments on public trackers?

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>>388738057
?

>>388738213
Fuck off, shill apologist.

>>388737492

I got denied twice over and best as I can tell (since it's just giving me a bullshit "over two weeks" response) it has something to do with the Sonic 1 they gave away. I wants that back, and when I send in a support ticket it seems to want every game in that collection (had a few from bundles in the past) too. Even if it didn't as OP said Sonic 1 activated over two weeks ago anyway.

I honestly can't even be fucked to keep fighting it. Most of that pre-order was made up of steam funbucks anyway so it's not like I'm really out any actual money. It's just scummy bullshit of the highest caliber. This is the only game I've bought on PC in like a year and it'll probably be one of the last I buy for a long while now.

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>purchased sonic mania already to support devs because fuck pirates.
>wow it has denuvo on it now I have to refund and support pirating
???

Also
>preordering

>>388738213
Next you'll tell me the Genesis games are bad because they have the same "issue."

>>388738298
All made by people like you who barely know how to operate their computers under normal conditions. If double clicking a setup.exe file is a struggle then you deserve to be fleeced.

>>388738393
That's like saying Sonic 3 Complete isn't the best version of Sonic 3 & Knuckles.

>>388735735
>https://whyisdenuvobad.github.io/
Well lets take a look here.
>1st problem doesn't seem like an actual issue, but if it was, this seems like a steam problem rather than a Denuvo problem
>2nd is literally who cares about Linux or Mac?
>3rd is pretty standard of most games in general.
Don't like the sometimes online bit, I'll give it
that.
>4th: I don't like the sometimes online bit, but don't you require internet in order to download the game anyways? This isn't a physical release here
>5th Citation required, especially after making the claim that you don't have to be "always online"
>6th is a problem with DRM in general, not with Denuvo, and doesn't belong on this list
>7th same thing except an admission that Denuvo is tough to crack
>8th is 100% specculation so far.
>9th is a problem with DRM in general, not with Denuvo
>10th is a problem with DRM in general, not with Denuvo
>11th is slippery slope fallicy that's a problem with DRM in general, not with Denuvo

So if I'm understanding this correctly, the problem with Denuvo is that it works?

>>388735591
Makes poor fags autistically screech because it's effective in stopping piracy

Pro tip:

>all of the faggots bitching about denuvo itt have never purchased the game

>>388737807

nigga I 100%ed the game on PS4 and beat the story mode four times in a week. I'm not even saying that's some amazing feat just that I absolutely put the time in. I double dipped to support taxman, stealth, et. al and I feel like I'm getting screwed over by this anti-consumer horseshit is all.

>>388738539
>Denuvo
>Working
Arkham
Knight

>>388734801
no dpad tho

>>388738539
>jumping through hoops to explain why you don't think it's a big deal so this leads you to conclude nobody should think it's a big deal
>everybody thinks like you and values the same things you do, so it's irrational that they would hold a different opinion

>>388738498
Console version will be updated to reflect the change made to the PC build, so I mean, if you want to claim superiority because you can glide as Knuckles without going Super for however long this will last be my guest.

>>388738539
The problem with Denuvo is that is only hurts the paying consumer while the pirates will still get the game just a little bit later.

>>388738645
Was initially a shitty port of a game that was designed for consoles. Runs great now btw.

>>388736387
goddamnit

>>388738551
>all of the faggots bitching about denuvo itt have never purchased *A game
Fixed that for you friend.

>>388738539
At this point you're intentionally downplaying things to try and make Denuvo look good. I'm convinced you're actually a paid shill.

If you and your little "master race" buddies didn't pirate everything, they wouldn't have done this.

Reap what you sow, fuckers.

where can i get an actual fucking torrent for this?

>>388738551
>>388738829

Steam id: MARVIN-626.

FUCK. YOU.

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>>388738551
So are all the people posting screenshots of their purchased game just using photoshop? Are all the negative reviews from customers on Mania's Steam page hacked in by Russians because there's no way someone who hates Denuvo could actually buy the game amirite?

>>388738873
You are taking for granted that op was going to buy the game in the first place and he is not here solely for shitposting.

>>388738890
Steam store.

The best part is that it'll still be cracked anyways.

>>388739025
Ten cents has been deposited into your account

>>388738890
lemonparty.org

>>388739025

This would have never happened if Drumpf lost the election

>>388738984
>posted a random steam id

What is the point of this?

>>388739098
That doesn't even work in this context, unless you're quoting the wrong guy.

>>388739096
I give it a week at most

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>buying Sonic shit and bashing SEGA
Reminder SEGA released this baby yesterday

>>388738539
>invasive DRM apologist
also it doesn't work
if you actually support this shit you are a cancer on the same level as the pirates

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>>388738551
Denuvo is anti consumer garbage and the idea of having it on sonic mania is absolutely disgusting.

>>388739124
Tonight on CNN, Trump ruined Sonic.

>>388739048
Yes, its unfortunate that some honest buyers are suffering.

They can blame the pirates for it. Piracy affects us all, as they say.

>>388739025
I don't really care one way or another, but yes, people that HATE denuvo are 100% of the time asshurt deadbeat poor fags. I can understand having reservations about it but Jesus christ... People itt talking about performance issues... For fucking sonic.

>>388739025
Considering that nobody so far has actually put forth any reasons to hate Denuvo other than generic DRM concerns, yes, they are pretty retarded, aren't they? I mean, they hate DRM so much and yet continue to purchase from steam instead of going anywhere else that offers DRM free, like some other website about old and good games, gosh, I just can't remember the name now. If only such a website existed.

>>388739232
>9 silver
lmao

>>388739209
>deep silver
>sega can't even publish their own games

It's funny how PCfags call everyone else peasants when they can't afford anything

>>388733506
>Denuvo
WOOOOOOOOW
And?

>>388739313
Sonic Mania isn't on that website.

>>388739140
Its MY id you fucks, whether you like to acvept it or not, theres people who legit bought the game and dont like to be scammed.

>we missed a proper first time experience of the best game in years.
>we were given as a anti refund crutch a game everyone already has
>our machines have malware now.

Again: FUCK! YOU!

>>388739232
Once you actually join the fraternity of consumers then you can make that call.

>>388739342
You're braindead if you equate can afford with willing to pay.

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>>388733506
>Every other board doesn't care about piracy because it's basically free marketing

>/v/ is the only board that is defending DRM and anti-piracy measures

I don't care if you are shitposting defending denuvo for (you)s. Ironic shitposting is still shitposting.

>>388739342
They spent their entire college savings buying a state-of-the-art custom-built PC with the latest and greatest gadgets with the intention of running emulators a 2008 laptop could still run in this day and age.

>>388739209
The hottest new meme game, suddenly everyone loves Yakuza. I'd call viral marketing if you fags weren't so desperate to cling to an identity.

>>388739419
>proper first time experience

Oh good lord. Is the game not working or something?

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I'll just say again what I said yesterday
>Taxman and Stealth, the fucking DEVELOPERS of the game, don't want DRM in the game
>Aaron Webber also doesn't want DRM in the game
>Even the giga-autists on Sonic Retro are pissed at this whole thing and boycotting the game - and they fucking love classic Sonic
>/v/ still defends it
I own the game on Switch already so I've got no horse in the race but this is probably the most conclusive evidence I've seen that /v/ is unironically brimming with paid shills.

>>388739406
So? If a game I really want to play is on an SJW website and ONLY that website, I'm not going to buy it because I'm not a chimp that sells my own morals so easily because of poor impulse controls and nostalgia. It sucks, but just don't play it if DRM is such an actual issue for you.

>>388739473
This

>>388739434
What is it then, can afford and...cheap? Greedy? Lazy?

If you have a job 20 bucks is nothing.

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>>388739419
marvin is a gay name

>>388733506
This legit? https://cpygames.com/sonic-mania-cpy-crack-pc-free-download/

>>388736868
Maybe if the game didn't had Denuvo the third worlders wouldn't be drowning your amazing game discussion threads.

Sounds like a win/win to me.

>>388733506
>>388733506
>complains about denuvo
>do not complain about the games being tied to steam
fucking double standards

>>388739690
It's bullshit. Give it a week and check IGGgames

>>388739608
>paid shills

If these fags were getting paid that'd be better than the reality. Everyone here's just so desperate to be a contrarian that they'll defend ANYTHING if it'll get them a (You).

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>>388739473
>piracy is free marketing

8.5/10, hadn't seen that one yet.

>>388739670
Why are you bragging about being easily parted with your money? Are you actually retarded? Do you want to buy some snake oil?

>>388739473
Other boards source of their entertainment aren't programmers who can actually attempt to put their own anti-piracy programming in. When you pirate, all of gaming suffers.

>>388739760
OK thanks.

>>388739434
You're braindead if you think I care, dusty wallet

Get a job, you lazy pirate fucks.

You aren't better than anyone. You're just dirty thieves. Serves you right.

>>388739791
Why are you broadcasting how poor you are?

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>>388739670
Not him but you're still missing the point. Yes, $20 is not a large investment in anything, but some people have principles and refuse to give money toward certain things even if doing so wouldn't set them back financially. If someone hates Denuvo, they're not going to purchase a game with Denuvo on it because by doing so they are SUPPORTING the company they hate.

>>388739745

I put up with Steam since it's DRM that at least doesn't fuck up my computer and at least tries to be user-friendly. Throwing more DRM on top of that is already a no-go and using denuvo of all systems is an instant refusal to even look at it.

>>388737912
Wait, are the devs attacking Sega here?

>>388739745
This. The hypocrisy is thick in this thread.

>>388738414
So it's not idiot proof then?

>>388739862
If you don't care then don't post, shitposter.

>>388739794
Music did DRM first, Timmy.

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>>388733506

>>388739590
I meant, we were supposed to enjoy the game at the same time as consolers, discovering it together playing it together, but we were blueballed for some stupid suits that GOT SCARED BY TROLLS.

let that sink in for a moment.

>>388739685
Nobody is gonna deny that.

>>388739791
Nothing in the want ads, huh?

Maybe you can turn tricks. I'm sure a few rich old men will give you the money you need for that super fancy high-end PC that'll be outdated in a month.

>>388739894
Of the two of us I am not $20 lighter.

>>388739943
If you can install a legitimate game, you can install a pirated game.

>>388739915
Taxman is trying to play polite on Twitter without looking like he doesn't care, but Stealth is mad.

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>can't get refund
>half tempted to do pic related purely out of spite

>>388739945
If you can't afford a game don't try to tell me you can.

>>388740023
>I earn money so I can frivolously give it away at every opportunity

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>>388740071
I can afford more than you because I don't waste my money.

>>388739494
>meme
Sega didnt fuck up and 0 was top tier. Now they're bringing fucking great remakes to west and also new game to new people who are discovering how great Yakuza is. Dont be butthurt since you dont like it, go play sonic denuvo.

>>388740070
The money is still going to Sega. Just don't play it and leave another negative review.

>Sega has engineered an outcome where they can rightfully say that they tried appeasing classic sega fans and it resulted in a rowdy and dangerous development team and fans
Genius. They hate all of you, and now they can say they tried to appeal to you and you wouldn't have any of it

>>388740070
ooooh, that'll show em

>the denuvo boogey man
IT LITERALLY DOESNT EFFECT YOU
YOU CANT EVEN CLAIM PERFORMANCE, THIS GAME CAN RUN ON A FUCKING CALCULATOR
FUCK

>>388739794
Are you saying the only reason it's okay to pirate, say, music but not vidya, is that music can't as easily get away with fucking over its own customers (which isn't true since as the other guy said there has been DRM on music before)? The only reason we should accept things like Denuvo is because the people who publish the games think they can get away with it? We should let people do bad things because they have the physical ability to?
You're retarded.

>>388740206
Okay and now I stopped buying their games altogether. Bravo, Iizuka.

>>388740070
Leave a negative review and keep the game in your inventory in case they decide to remove Denuvo.

>>388739998
This fucking post. You care about what some faggot is doing on his console? Enjoying it together? What in the fuck am I reading?

>blue balled

Yeah. Because people fucking rip off games on pc and that costs the people that made a huge investment to produce it a massive amount of money.

>>388740158
Because you don't have any money poorfag

>>388735735
That list is outdated, stop using it.

>denuvo on a $20 game
For what fucking purpose? This killed any enthusiasm I had left, I was looking forward to the possibility of fan mods.

>>388740206
People who spent money on it two weeks ago are very pleased. This is just throwing scraps to a community that wasn't going to buy it anyway.

>>388740206
alot of peoplo give the game praise for it's console ports and nobody's saying it's a bad game, but it's shady and stupid as fuck to delay the pc port by two weeks just to implement denuvo and fuck the game up

>>388740364
I have more than you because I don't throw my money away. No matter what you argument is, you spent money and I didn't.

>>388734801
here. it's been great.

>>388738668
The d-buttons are actually perfect for the game.

>>388740369
Then what's the (((approved))) list, Denuvo shill?

>>388740206
You better believe this is not over, fans will know if sega is trying to shit over the people who made one of their best games, if they are trying to harm the mania team and not allow a mania 2/not make a pc version, you better believe this will be small time.

>>388740313
>>388740384
>>388740437
Now a small fraction of the base (PC classic sonic fans might make up 1%) is done, and they can go back to making more profitable sonic games

Here's an idea

STOP PREORDERING GAMES

>>388740382
Pretty popular game with sales projections high enough to warrant the investment. Get a real dick, anon, this is pretty simple shit.

>>388740441
Well gosh, maybe you should have. Then it wouldn't have Denuvo, huh?

>>388740529
Yeah, I'm sure giving Taxman and Stealth the boot can only end well.

>PCfriends denying themselves of a fantastic game
Makes me sad.

>>388740382
There's already mods being made though.

>>388740491
I don't know, something that's been updated to match the current version?

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>>388740603
Why would I support devs or publishers that lie to their customers?

>>388733506
it doesn't matter that it has denuvo you are crying about nothing

>IT'LL RUIN YOUR SSD!!!!!!

this was a bug with the first version of denuvo and didnt ruin your ssd anyway, just grinded it, no grinding your SSD does not kill it, not since TRIM support was added to windows like 7 fucking years ago

>>388740621
>Sorry Christian, your game didn't do as well as expected, so we can't greenlight Sonic Mania 2. But we will greenlight a mobile port of Sonic 3 and Sonic % Knuckles

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>>388740529
forces is looking great, huh?

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>>388739473
And they will be here screaming BUYFAGS BTFO when the game gets cracked, but its ok because they are merely pretending to be reatrded

>>388736387
Wha dis

Did the taxman know? How deep does this rabbit hole go?

>>388740697
Because they wouldn't have had to if pirating wasn't a problem.

Vicious cycle, innit?

>>388740801
oh it looks terrible. But that doesn't change the fact that more and more people grew up with games like Sonic 06 as their first game, and they love this kind of shit. They think trash like Sonic Boom is teriffic, and Sonicman is peak comedy

>>388740710
>justifying the use of software that is only being thwarted by firmware designed to prevent something from destroying your hardware
>when the software can simply not do that in the first place

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>Press Garden act 1 is amazing
>Press Garden act 2 is just a generic "ruins" level with some snow

>>388740780
>* And by port we mean emulation
>** With ads

>>388740982
>Actually making a stage for the fake news media

>>388740780
>Good news boys! The console versions sold like crazy! Make Mania 2! Oh, but don't bother with a PC port this time. Too many people pirated it.

>>388739969
By hiring other people to implement protections. The musicians themselves are not capable of adding in special notes to their music that prevent you from copying that floppy.

>>388736720
The easiest way to troll is to just adopt the edgiest stance possible. It doesn't matter if there is no way to logically defend it, because you don't defend it, you just delight in other's frustrations.

>>388741043
I swear to christ if they do..

>>388740878
The fact that people are clamoring for refunds because of the DRM should raise a red flag in your mind. But it doesn't, because you're a shitposter who irrationally defends business practices that do not benefit him or the industry at all.

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>there are people who still live with their parents
>there are people who preorder games

>>388740187
>Just don't play it and leave another negative review.

>You need to have used this product for at least 5 minutes before posting a review for it (0 minutes on record).

welp

>>388740872
Yes. He tweeted this right after the delay was announced.

https://twitter.com/CFWhitehead/status/896047063024025602

>>388741092
Ya gonna cry, Blackbeard?

>>388734958
It sounds like he's choking on marbles while he talks. But I'm glad he's gonna bring the retarded youtube worshippers down on SEGA.

fuck... it uses Denuvo?
wish I knew this before I spent 8 straight hours on the game after release.
I never pre-ordered it too, could've refunded.

>pre ordering ass faggots get rekt

who cares

>>388740939
yeah, but mania was still a financial success and people will still buy the console ports even if pcfags pirate it

>>388734419
Sega's always been butthurt over the fact that gajins have treated the needlemouse better than they ever could.

>>388741098
Doesn't hurt me, either. How's that taste?

If this refund thing is true, is it recent? I pre-ordered, but successfully refunded the day they announced a two week delay. Might buy it depending on how the game turns out.

>>388741109
So what so bad about living with parents, care to explain?

>>388738668
What are you talking about there is a Dpad on the controller.
are you playing with just one joy-con? Use the one with the arrows for a D pad then you idiot.

>>388741124
Good, I thought he turned into just another AAA dev. Glad to see he actually still cares

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I just said fuck it and bought it. For one, the online only launch isn't new to steam SP games (failed to contact key server). Really, if you have a problem with going online to start your games then you shouldn't be using a service like Steam at all. And secondly, if the issue is that crippling then Whitehead's team has shown over the years that it'll be taken care of.

Watch, once Denuvo gets cracked, threads like these will stop existing just like they did when Nier got cracked. You guys aren't mad at the practice of devs delaying the for or at the implementation of Denuvo; you're mad because it's keeping you from pirating. As soon as I saw it had Denuvo, I bought it because fuck waiting. Those who haven't need to wait because Sega most likely won't do shit about this.

>>388740041
Depends on the game and release. I guess gog games go for that category that install exactly like legimate things.

>>388741124
>Can you imagine if we had DRM in our DNA
that's not even a thing that makes sense under any context

>>388741109
not all of us have a rich daddy who can buy houses for us, faggot.

>>388740286
No I'm saying the more you steal unjustly, the more people try to fight back. Other entertainment forms don't complain because their entertainment doesn't come from programmers who have the knowledge and skill to attempt to stop this and the self-motivation to do so. People don't care about music/movie theft because all that shit is left up to third parties and lawmakers who are terrible at doing this.

So the more you guys steal from games, and the more devs shy away from releasing games because they get stolen, the more draconic the DRM will become. Remember Xbone's original statements about always online? Remember how at some point in 2013 lots of devs were talking about making it impossible to trade in your used games? Those sentiments of anti-piracy are always there, and they get more and more aggravated the more you steal.

>even using steam post-HL3 announcement
you're not a cuck are you anon?

>>388741479
Its called reading between the lines, dummy.

>>388741285
It would if you used your imagination for a moment and thought of a scenario in which you would be inconvenienced. But, like a retard, you are incapable of thinking about possible future events affecting you. You truly have a sub 85 IQ if you think because something isn't negatively affecting you at this moment is somehow more valuable than something never being able to negatively affect you.

>>388741479
He's saying DRM is absurd, and that adding it to a game that expresses himself is akin to having to add it to his makeup.

>>388740574
Yeah nah fuck Sega, this game cost next to nothing to make compared to the AAA games that are coming out these days. If they're so worried about people pirating a $20 game those same people wouldn't buy it anyways if they didn't have a choice to pirate. I don't support this anti consumer bullshit and fucking over their customers refunds because of a Sonic 1 rom is shady as shit.

>>388741575>>388741628
Nah, he tried to sound smart and ended up sounding retarded.

>>388741575
How about reading between this *unzips dick*

>>388741592
Its quite valuable, actually. One stop closer to ending piracy, which has been hurting the industry for years.

datamine when? ;)

>>388741537
You have thousands of reasons to bash Steam for, not getting another garbage shooter isn't one of them.

>>388741687
This is why I come to /v/, they love to talk about themselves when they try to criticize people.

>>388741443
>You guys aren't mad at the practice of devs delaying the for or at the implementation of Denuvo; you're mad because it's keeping you from pirating
What if I'm just mad because it's a fucking stupid decision, and at the very least they could've implemented it sooner. If the game still came out on the 15th and it had regular offline Denuvo, that would be one thing. But they actively fucked PC gamers in the ass because they didn't have the foresight to do it sooner, and then they made it online-only no less, which is a complete fuckery for people who wanted to, say, put it on their toaster laptop and play it on a flight.

I own the game on Switch so I had no intention of pirating in the first place, but I still think it's fucked. You can't just brush off legitimate arguments with "b-but you're a pirate!".

>>388741537
There's literally nothing wrong with letting your lover fuck other people

►►388741750
Nice try, but no (You) from me with your low quality bait

>>388741706
Once more, you're a retard. You hold retarded beliefs. Not only about defending practices that don't need to be present and only hurt legitimate customers, but believing this is in any way, shape, or form going to do anything but convince MORE people to pirate from now on.

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>>388733506
just as planned

Anti piracy things never really bother me.

If I can't afford that game, I don't get the game and not steal it.

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>>388740878
>People keep cracking and pirating games with Denuvo enabled, ultimately only succeeding in annoying paying customers and potentially losing sales because of it
>YO HOL' UP GUYS! WE JES GOTTA DELAY DA GAIM FOR A WEEK TO IMPLEMENT THIS TOTALLY INEFFECTUAL PIECE OF DRM
>W-we had to though because p-pirating is hurting our sales! We had no choice guys! We totally had to engage in surreptitious anti-consumer behavior BECAUSE PIRATES!

>>388741479
>>388741687
You guys are faggots, he's clearly talking about this
>https://www.wired.com/story/malware-dna-hack/
Nigga's talking about a sci-fi-as-fuck future where DNA editing is common, man-made DNA viruses exist and DNA can be bought and sold to the highest bidder, with DRM in place to make sure the proletariat doesn't steal high-tier DNA for themselves

>>388741886
Legit customers are affected too, cant you fucker understand that?

>>388733506
>Store page makes NO mention of Denuvo whatsoever
This should be illegal, no?

>>388741767

That's not it. The fact that everyone complaining uses Steam to buy their games is a joke. I would understand if it was affecting people who bought the game directly from the publisher, but people are complaining about having to be online while using an online service. It just seems really silly.

>People actually defending blatant lying about a product
>People defending the refusal of refunds based on blatant false advertising.
Whether or not Denuvo is justified DRM is irrelevant. They maliciously lied to the consumer to sell a product.

>>388738305
>twitter screencap
?

>>388741940
here's the alternative
>We're not releasing a PC version because the PC base is a bunch of uppity niggers

>>388742004
there are no laws for the rich

>>388736387
What program is this?

>>388742121
One of the share functions is posting an image to your Twitter account.

>>388742123
This.

>>388742123
this

Red pill me /v/
What is the big deal with Denuvo?

Why can't anyone upload the updated game files? Is it that hard? It's not like they're watermarked, I'm sure they're not.

>>388742185
What's your twitter account, pal? Wanna share it with the rest of the class?

>>388742123
>we only cater to people who can't complain and have no alternative

>>388742061
You can play games you've downloaded from Steam while you're not connected to the internet. Hence the aforementioned plane journey example

>>388741996
Right and that's terrible, but who doesn't own at least one console in this day of age?

Literally all a pc is for is indie titles and MOBAS.

>>388736720
Personally I think PC shouldn't have gotten the game in the first place. Better?

>>388742190
>>388742224
>>388742123
>STOP COMPLAINING STUPID GOY, YOU GET WHATEVER SCRAPS I GIVE YOU

>>388742235
It actually works unlike other forms of DRM and only about 40% of games using it have been cracked.

>>388742337
dumb nigger

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>>388742287
He's not me, I'm just pointing out that this exists. I actually own a thumbdrive, so it's a non issue

>>388742337
pic related

>>388742282
My upload is shit. Check out cs.rin.ru, someone probably uploaded it already.

>>388742359
>40%
Hahahahahaha. You really think anyone here is going to believe that shit?

>>388742359
And why people hate it?

>>388742337
>>388742384
Woah, what's with the blatant bigotry, seemingly out of nowhere?

>>388742328
People who realize all consoles are overpriced now. And real life doent allow them to spend in both?

Do gamers really think that throwing a massive temper tantrum everytime they disagree with a company's practices, even if that practice is just to stop people from stealing their game, an acceptable way to behave? It's frankly embarrassing. Is something this insignificant really worthy of acting this way? A few generations ago people would get riled up over things like civil rights and fucking genocides, but now all it takes is just wanting to protect your product to make people want to riot. What the fuck is wrong with gamers?

>>388742061

I'm not defending the DRM either in this post. I downloaded from skidrow that game the moment I woke up yesterday before finding out that it had Denuvo. I just don't see why people are complaining about going online while posting on /v/, fapping to Chinese cartoons, and using Steam of all services daily.

>>388742123
So they only release games to complacent sheep?

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>>388733506
HAHAHAHA PCFATS ARE CRYING THEIR EYES OUT RIGHT NOW

>>388742405
Do you have any particular reason for not wanting a game you supposedly enjoy to succeed? Besides being a dumb nigger.

>>388742450
I'll sum it up for you
>Pro Denuvo
Because pirates gets BTFO
>Anti Denuvo
because it's sketchy as fuck and like all DRM only fucks with paying customers

>>388742461
>out of nowhere
this entire thread has been nothing but bigotry you retard, or do you not know what the word means?

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>>388742405
I can give myself free (Yous) anytime, anywhere. Not an argument.

>>388742470
If money is an issue when it comes to video games, you should probably just give up video games.

>>388742501
>posting angry comments on the internet and refunding a game is the equivalent of a riot or a civil rights protest
What fucking world are you living in

I never understood why drm completely ruins a game for some people.

>>388742501
Stop inflating this. Nobody setting fire to local businesses. They're just asking for their money back because they weren't informed Denuvo was in the game until it was too late.

>>388742554
Where did you get that idea from? It's likely that without a DRM measure, Sega would have never greenlit a PC release of the game. And it's pretty much a well known fact that developers don't consider Steam itself to be DRM, though /v/ and other gaming communities do.

>>388742501
This not protecting a product and you know it!

This is shitting over an entire fanbase who legit bought the game and were denied of the best sonic game of all time.

>>388742424
Oh well, they only have the old version... But OK

>>388742562
>because it's sketchy as fuck and like all DRM only fucks with paying customers

How does it fucks with the customers?

>>388742640
hey congratulations on using inspect element anon. Still doesn't change the fact that only one of those three posts are mine

>>388733506

>Damage control time
Oh shit, this probably means more levels for Mania. It's already sold well, if they just leave something like this and don't address it, it means they're not planning a sequel, and the damage to the Sanic franchise.

I'm sorry all this shit happened to the PC crowd, but fucking hell; the bonuses they're going to have to give out are going to have to be juicy.

>>388733506
so youre complaining because you cant pirate an indie game that is also goty?
get fucked poorfag

>>388742562
>pirates gets BTFO
they really don't. all you need to do is crack whatever shitty key they use (which is possible in a number of ways) and spoof the URI that the game calls when it starts.

>>388742501
>Packaging your game with invasive malware at the last minute and not telling anyone is okay

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>>388742123
>>388742190
There's already tons of games I can't play on PC for one reason or another, but i'm not losing any sleep over it.

Honestly, only inbred mongoloids would support DRM as anything other than anti-consumer.

Imagine if when you bought a piece of clothing it came with DRM which forces you to log in to a service to register your clothing before you could wear it, and you could only wear that piece of clothing under strict conditions, and you had to use DRM-mandated cleaning detergents when you wanted to clean it.

Or how about one of the most popular products on earth, coca-cola. Do you believe it would be nearly as popular a product if the manufacturer placed harsh restricions on how and when you consumed a coke? No, because you know up-front what you're buying and you just buy the fucking product and consume it however, whenever and wherever you so choose.
>inb4 food analogy

>>388742840
I'm just saying what Pro Denuvo idiots say.

>>388742687
Because some of us want to play our games offline and not shitpost on /v/ in the "STEAM/INTERNET IS DOWN WAAAAAAAH" 1000+ reply thread with our mobile phones?

>not having internet

I can't remember the last time my PC was offline.

>>388742314

I know that. If my internet were down, I'd be more worried about taking care of that than playing a game, but for the sake of the argument, DRM is gay as shit, but as consumers we have a responsibility to know what we're buying before spending our money. The only people with any right to complain at this point are pre-purchasers since they didn't know until it was too late.

For those of you who can't get refunds, leave negative reviews

Wait a few days and maybe valve will start an exception process because of the Sonic 1 gift fucking the refund window up

But if that never happens, is doing a charge back a good idea? That exists for exactly these types of situations, and if you only do it a few times in your life for small purchases I doubt it would hurt your credit.

>>388742932
they did 12 hour maintenance in Philly a week ago on Verizon

>>388742932
>doesn't affect me so obviously this means it doesn't affect anyone
>doesn't affect me right now so obviously this means it will never affect me
>hurr durr durr

>>388733506
>legalfags will defend this just to spite piratefags, even though piratefags will still pirate the game and this only fucks over legalfags

Forgot that part.

>>388743027
Good.

I'll enjoy video games, while you won't.

>>388742707
Bayonetta and Vanquish were cheap and Steamworks only, both sold shitloads. Mania got delayed 4 days away from releasing by 2 weeks out of extreme pettiness just to add Denuvo. By following this narrative, you don't want Mania to succeed.

>>388742872
>Do you believe it would be nearly as popular a product if the manufacturer placed harsh restricions on how and when you consumed a coke?

This would be great, it would cut down on obesity like crazy. Americans drink too much soda anyway.

>>388742995
If you're willing to put that mark on your credit for $20 then go for it. But if you're the sort of person who gives a fuck about his credit rating you would obviously not be stupid enough with your money to pre-order digital goods. The two groups of people almost never intersect.

>>388743113
You enjoy companies dictating how you use the product you paid for when there is no rational reason why they should.

>>388743113
But he can still enjoy his video games while you are fucked for relying on drm trash?

>>388742450
Literally because it works and stops them from stealing.

>>388742501
The worst part is I bet half of this thread goes to /pol/ and unironically say shit about ethnic cleansing niggers because they stole your bike.

>>388743115
Denuvo wasn't also the standard for DRM back when Bayo and Vanquish released. I don't care if Sonic Mania succeeds or not, I'm just pointing out that in Sega's mindset, they felt DRM was absolutely necessary for a PC release to exist, otherwise they wouldn't have gone out of their way to shadily implement it at the last second

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>>388742932
I shit you not, my internet went down earlier today for a few minutes. Good thing I was playing pic related's DLC instead of this shit.

>>388742562
>because it's sketchy as fuck
[Citation required]

>>388743220
Doesn't matter. Everything is dictating something in someway. There is no winning. Might as well live with it. What are you going to do? You're just a nerd on a PC.

>>388743239
Did you even read my earlier post. I have no problems.

Denuvo is the best thing to happen to the industry. It barely affects performance and protects my games from pirate scum. Why whould I leave my games open to attacks from pirates?

>>388743149
>Unironically being a fascist
>Unironically thinking he can live other people's lives better than they can
>>>/pol/

>>388742501
t. someone who doesn't actually know boomers
They get riled up as fuck when the classic rock station plays too many beatles songs, then when the don't play enough beatles songs

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>>388743387
>There is no winning. Might as well live with it.

>>388738668
The buttons are better for platformers than an ordinary D-pad. Especially for blue sphere.

>>388742501
/v/ has been completely consumed by shitposting and gamer outrage culture which has made it one of the most obnoxious places to discuss games on the internet.

>>388741068
As opposed to 3rd party solutions for DRM like Steam and Denuvo?

>>388742872
The difference here is you're making analogies with material goods that have a fundamental limit in place on how many can exist at a given time. With software, stealing one means you can literally undercut the developer by giving it away for free forever. Your argument is fallacious and not worthy of consideration.

>>388743437
There's no such thing as playing too many Beatles songs.

>>388740878
>pirating is a problem
I know this is weak bait but until this day, literally no single study ever proved this(those studies even proved the opposite)

>>388743457
What are you going to do?

Also jokes on you fags. I have a Switch and I don't even own this game on either platform.

>>388743220
No, but that's why I play it through GoG or not at all. I'm not a stupid thief who tries to justify my criminal activities.

>>388743302
>Denuvo wasn't the standard DRM two months ago.

honestly to me it seems as if everyone on /v/ is massively overreacting to the fact it has Denovo
like seriously overreacting hard as hell

>>388743486
Playing Poyo Pop Vs Tetris on the joycons was abysmal.

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>>388743594
The fact that so many books still name the Beatles as "the greatest or most significant or most influential" rock band ever only tells you how far rock music still is from becoming a serious art. Jazz critics have long recognized that the greatest jazz musicians of all times are Duke Ellington and John Coltrane, who were not the most famous or richest or best sellers of their times, let alone of all times. Classical critics rank the highly controversial Beethoven over classical musicians who were highly popular in courts around Europe. Rock critics are still blinded by commercial success. The Beatles sold more than anyone else (not true, by the way), therefore they must have been the greatest. Jazz critics grow up listening to a lot of jazz music of the past, classical critics grow up listening to a lot of classical music of the past. Rock critics are often totally ignorant of the rock music of the past, they barely know the best sellers. No wonder they will think that the Beatles did anything worthy of being saved.

What was in the update today?

>>388742739
Make an account and ask then, the ruskies are surprisingly friendly.

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>>388733506
>pre-ordering
found the problem

>>388743636
Joke's on you I have no horse in this race because Sonic games never interested me in the first place.

>>388743656
OK. Piracy isn't theft.

>>388743661
It wasn't the standard for half assed ports of 7 year old games, and it still isn't.

>>388743673
Were you using a single joycon or are you just deformed?

>>388743510
Steam was created by Valve to sell their games with DRM, and Denuvo is a company that specializes in anti-piracy specifically for games, but that doesn't stop programmers from attempting to make their own DRM, and I'm willing to bet money that most of the Denuvo team come from former game companies that had to shut down due to loss of sales in piracy.

>>388743403
>thinking people drink too much soda and are fat fucks make you /pol/.

I would sooner hang out with someone who smoked a pack a day rather then down a 2 liter daily.

>>388743539
So a product that exists in limited quantities doesn't need DRM but a product that can be infinitely copied and sold does? In some cases like in Germany and Russia pirating is the only means for a consumer to get a quality product.

>>388743302
Sega had Denuvo for all their PC only games when Bayo and Vanquish came out, not an excuse. Lost World also came out without Denuvo, by the way.

>>388743672
>Don't tell people it has Denuvo untill after it launches
>People that don't want to support Denuvo paid 20 bucks to support Denuvo and are being denied refunds.
It's not the fact that it has Denuvo
It's the fact that they were being massive cocksuckers about its implementation.

>>388743627
Those studies don't actually prove what you think they do, and ever since piracy was introduced, the Music Industry had a massive drop off in sales that never actually recovered back to it's former glory.

>>388743823
>I'm willing to bet money that most of the Denuvo team come from former game companies that had to shut down due to loss of sales in piracy.
They lost sales because they made inferior products; which explains why Denuvo is so ineffectual despite all of their claims.

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