Why did Illidan do that?

>>388726570

He did it in self defense, totally justified. Illidan doesn't want to become a light cuccboi. What bothered me was how everyone who has been following that Naaru for the last 10000 years was so cavalier about its death, including Velen.

>>388726725
Do u know anything about that naaru's background? story? What was it planning to do to Illidan? And what will happen now that its dead

he's an edgelord

>>388727418
It wanted to force him to be the "chosen one". He wanted to control his own destiny. Illidan did nothing wrong, and straight up says they have to save themselves instead of relying on bullshit prophecy.

>>388727418

>And what will happen now that its dead

It becomes coal for this patch's newest RNG

In any case Turalyon and Alleria will now represent the balance between light and void. Seems like the light isn't good or infallible, at least that's the narrative they're pushing with Illidan.

>MUH NOOTRAL IS ALWAYS BEST
can this meme die?

>>388726570
pity, cant help but wonder how cool a light aesthetic would be on illidan

>>388726570
*tips fedora

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>>388726570

So they straight up copied the light and darkness balance plotpoint from XIV? Lame.

>>388726570
>Illidan kills this dumb piece of shit that's been whining about him all expansion
I'm actually kind of mad

Hopefully we'll be done with Illidan after this patch and Blizzard can keep on ruining other popular characters like they will probably do with Jaina.

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>>388726570
>Giving a single shit about WoW "story" after WotLK.

Why is every blizzard cinematic exactly the same. Its always the same beats. Everyone talks in the exact same way. Its almost like a fucking melody or something. The writing is so fucking weird to me can someone more articulate explain to me what the fuck is going on?

>>388727719
BUT MUH FREE THINKING

This is getting more annoying that anything. People trying to pretend they're above a cause because they boil it down to a laundry list of goals and attributes when they themselves only identify by similar lists.

Pop culture has always pushed this all or none, us vs them mentality and now when its WIN WITH EVERY COST! People are under the illusion of being neutral in a sad attempt to rise above it.

>>388728293
THERE MUST ALWAYS BE A BURNING LEGION

>>388727570
Yeah, now they do.

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>>388726570
Do WoW players get excited about this shit? At this point Blizzard is just fucking the rotting corpse that is Warcraft lore.

A reminder that Illidan literally did nothing wrong.

>>388726570
we learned since the begining of legion how naarus aren't innocent little light boys who want peace and nice things
the naaru were the first to cry about illidan being alive, and now she literally put him in a light prison to force destiny, while naarus never gave a shit about mortals
she even put our character in the void just to "talk" about us on how illidan alive is important.

So why can Illidan just eyezap oneshot a Naaru?

>>388729032
Because Xe'ra wasn't prepared.

>>388729032
Illidan is more powerful than nearly anything in the Legion's army, barring Sargeras himself. Naaru also aren't all that powerful, especially in the physical sense. Literally just floating crystal wind chimes.

>>388729237
I quit at the beginning of Legion.
Why is Illidan a demigod now?

>>388729291
When we killed him, he won.

>>388729291
Mary Sue powers.
He gets BTFO by Death Knight Arthas but apparently has the ability to obliterate a Naaru in one shot.

>>388729291
The best I can tell you is, that it's Blizzard. He came back from being 'dead' and promptly killed (alt-timeline) Gul'dan in the same manner that Gul'dan killed Varian. Overloading their body with so much Fel, they exploded. But keep in mind this Gul'dan was exceptionally powerful, very capable at using Fel energy, and was recently empowered by Legion.
I hope that gives you some perspective on this shit heap.

>>388726570
>Why did Illidan kill that naaru?

No means no. The last time he got juiced up by an ancient eldritch being, his eyes got burned out and he got locked away for 10k years. Xe'ra should have remembered who it was dealing with.

>Xe'ra deceives Illidan and tries to give him the LIGHTED treatment
>his 'allies' just stand there and do nothing
>Turalyon accuses him of betrayal
>In truth, it was I who was betrayed

Illidan has done a lot of shit wrong, but vaporizing that chiming fuck wasn't one of them.

>>388729525

That's because Arthas was a real OG nigga.

>>388729525
Frostmourne to the dick

>>388729525
>apparently has the ability to obliterate a Naaru in one shot.

It had rez sickness.

>>388730724
kek

Illidan probably would have gone along with it if he didn't already see how retarded the holy dreadlord looks without his horns.

>>388728424
when both sides are retarded shit-fests, it is not unreasonable to stay centered. in fact, it's the most reasonable course of action.
being a reductionist doesn't make you smart, and staying neutral is not a bad thing.

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>>388731080
One side wants to destroy the universe
The other wants to stop it

>>388730221
I seriously love him zapping that fucking wind chime. I think people at Blizzard were self-aware and this was the plan from the beginning

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>>388726570
Why would Illidan trust those fucks after they attacked him.

>>388731423
This. It's obvious the Naaru were planning this shit all along to try and force him into it.

>>388731343

Haven't you heard? The Burning Legion wants to save the universe from the Void Lords.

Also, the fact that the players are going to save the universe without Xe'ra's help is a good indication that it's an 'us vs them' situation.

Fuck your chosen one bullshit, is what I'm saying.

>>388726570

It was literally:

>You're not the boss of me now
>and you're not so big

What's a Naaru? What's a Void Lord?

>>388731725
Whoops, should be
>that it isn't an 'us vs them' situation.

>>388731827
>What's a Naaru?

Something that's been in the game since TBC. Not exactly a new addition.

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>>388726570

>that voice acting

Jesus fucking christ

>>388731080
Hegelian dialectic operates independently of evidence. If you approach every situation looking for maximum popular appeal (read: "being right"), then you are outright ignoring the possibility that one side is categorically more right and has evidence to prove it (read: being correct). People who do this only care about appeasement and are incapable of original thoughts. There's a difference between refusing to join a "camp" for your sanity and insisting that the compromise position is correct. You are conflating the two things because the people who taught you to do this boil almost all difference of opinion down to labels and "sides." You learned to look at the world through media hyperbole, that doesn't make you "more reasonable" than other people. It makes you look like a child who relies on other people to form his opinions.

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>>388726570

Because Illidan wanted himself (and the mortals) to be strong independent and need-no-gods.

His ultimate goal is probably to create a world without gods, where mortals are masters of their own destiny.

>>388731974

Nice post. Too bad it quickly falls apart when you realise you have no idea who you're talking to or what they really believe

>>388731974

You're a dumb nigger. We're talking about demon armies and magic prophecies. Why the fuck are you going on about
>media hyperbole
?

Is the Burning Legion running a fucking PR campaign? Jesus Christ you might be a literal retard.

>>388732394
>Jesus Christ you might be a literal retard.

He probably learned to look at the world through media hyperbole

>>388731974
Holy shit, please fuck off back to r the donald

>>388726570
Illidan is a self insert for the new writing team.

Most people hate this light shit.

>>388726570
Illidan died like 10 years ago, retard.

>X'era was actually right, and Holydan was the only way to defeat the Legion
>Illidan literally locked in the bad end

I know that Blizzard doesn't have the balls to pull off something like that, but man would it be satisfying.

>>388733390
Bronze/Infinite Dragon Ex Machina

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>>388733379
Anon, what was the last expansion you played?

>>388733390

Even if that's the ending they wanted, it would be pretty stupid if Xe'ra was the only way to show Illidan the Light.


Also we've seen that Naaru can come back from being "dead".

isn't he somewhat immortal? being a demon and all.
going full holy would cancel that i presume.

>>388733568
X'era is a prime naaru, the last one left. The Naaru channel the Light, and it is through them that priests and paladins get their powers.

It's not too far-fetched that someone as far gone as Illidan could only be purified by a prime Naaru.

>>388733980

If Naaru aren't the source of the Light, then just go to the source.

>>388734143
What exactly is the Light anyway? Was there ever an in-depth explanation of it available?

>>388726570
I hope this doesnt mean all the Naaru are as crooked as their "Prime is". Because if they are this some new level of shit tier writing even for Blizzard

>>388734250

It's an energy field created by all living things. It surrounds us and penetrates us. It binds the World of Warcraft together.

>>388734143
That's like saying "Go to the source of matter". The Light is a fundamental force in the Warcraft universe, it's not something that spews forth from a wellspring at the center of the universe. For all we know, the Naaru could be the only things that can make it manifest and channel it into other beings.

>>388734274

I honestly took it to mean that Xe'ra was just desperate, not cruel or malicious.

>>388729212
Topkek

>>388734468
That's wrong. It's literally like the force if anyone could use it, you just need to have a strong enough will.

>>388726725

I thought Velen was pretty miffed with the Naaru because of something with his son. But yeah, not a lot of shock even.

>>388732182
>>388732394
He was blatantly not talking about Warcraft, just making a general statement. That method of finding compromises usually causes problems to just go on forever since it never actually proposes a solution, it just declares yourself the most right.

It should be obvious why this is stupid in a fictional story with stakes. This is what causes writers to portray all sides as bad regardless of their actions. It's not uncommon to see their preferred main character framed as automatically right and a better person, but without the writer being skilled enough to have them say something convincing. A lot of people hold the philosophy I described before and for this reason they feel compelled to defend bad writing because they approve of the neutrality.

>>388726725
>What bothered me was how everyone who has been following that Naaru for the last 10000 years was so cavalier about its death

Turalyon literally tried to kill Illidan.

>>388734547
I think they are just so bound to that "The prophecy says" stuff that anybody that goes against it must be in the wrong and shown why they are right.

It just picked the wrong person to do that to.

>establish a perimeter

>>388734468
>The Light is a fundamental force in the Warcraft universe, it's not something that spews forth from a wellspring at the center of the universe. For all we know, the Naaru could be the only things that can make it manifest and channel it into other beings.
Except people have been doing that already long before the Naaru showing up. Also, what is Elune.

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>>388726570
>see this pic and hear that Illidan kills the Naaru
>expecting him to just eye blast it so he could smugly turn to Turalyon and Velen and say "where's ur light now? time 2 fite 4 urself nyeh nyeh neyh"
>the thing was actively trying to light-corrupt him despite his protests
>Velen was pretty fine with him blowing it to chunks which you then clean up as your next quest kek

it went much better than I expected

The thing I don't understand is why was the prophesied chosen one Illidan, instead of someone who would actually make sense, like Anduin.

>>388734770

I'm pretty sure Xe'ra is the only Naaru who believes in the prophecy garbage. Otherwise the Sha'tar wouldn't have been so focused on killing Illidan.

>>388726570
Because he IS HIS SCARS

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the whole universe was made from the fight between light and darkness right now the balance its heavily tilted to the darkness side of it so that's why we see the light and everyone aligned to it as the good guys but in reality both sides want complete domination ultimately destroying the universe, illidan did nothing wrong.

>>388734934

Cause muh redemption storyline

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>Burning Crusade
>Naaru are so powerful that they can keep Illidan and his entire army at bay and just invade Black Temple whenever they want
>Legion
>Illidan can one shot Naaru with an eye beam

>>388726570
>Spent time to restore Naaru
>Naaru killed
>Illidan is still old stinky Illidan, nothing changes
It's bad storywriting when there is no consequences for actions.

>>388729817

Gul'dan was incredibly weakened from the players kicking his ass, Illidan simply finished him off. If you look at him in the cinematic Gul'dan is all bashed up and fucked.

>>388734720
>He was blatantly not talking about video games, just soapboxing

Great.

>>388735038
Illidan gained 40 levels

>>388734906
>light-corrupt
Basement edgelord spotted.

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>>388726570
>yfw that Naaru was about to vore Illidan

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>>388734949
Good thing based Edgelord didn't get spooked

>>388735156

It's actually a thing that happens, though.

>>388726570
Think about it. When did it ever end well for "The Chosen One" in Azeroth?

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>>388735156
>edgelord

Retard, I'm glad they avoided Illidan being needlessly edgy, and the thing was forcefully converting him with light against his will.

>>388726570
>bitch Naaru constantly whines and bitches about Illidan
>cheesy chosen one bullcrap
>oh boy, let me guess...a redemption story
>gets BTFO by Illidan

This is the best thing Legion has done so far.

>>388735227
No it's not, you fucking edgechild. Light can only bless. And only darkness can corrupt.

>>388734468
It's pretty obvious Elune is going to be a light Lord

>>388735227
>>388735156

What I don't get is that the Light and the Legion aren't even opposing forces. Fel and Arcane are opposites, just as Light and Dark are. Life and Undeath are also opposites, but that was a battle between Light and Undeath too.

Why do opposing forces of the Universe never fight one another in Warcraft?

>>388735303
>they avoided Illidan being needlessly edgy
Where? There is nothing except edgeshit.

@388735446

you're only getting one (you) out of me

>>388735370
>Fel and Arcane are opposites

Wait, how does this work exactly?

>>388734870
Elune is the super Naaru-god and humans discovered the Light through the Naaru.

>>388735341
>Light can only bless. And only darkness can corrupt.

Think about it this way - what Sargeras did to Illidan might be considered a blessing by many beings.

Those terms (bless and corrupt) are relative.

>>388735525

Fel is chaos and Arcane is order.

>>388728368
it's fun to see how low they can go

>>388729525
The Lich King has always been one of the most powerful beings in the series.

>>388735525
Fel isn't synonymous with evil

>they are making it so that the light can corrupt things too
i called this years ago, blizzard's fetish for corruption is so predictable

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>>388735525

>>388735303

>needlessly edgy

Apart from everything he says and does, sure.

>>388735567
>arcane is order
no, arcane is literally just the generic brand magic

>>388735525
Chaos and order.

>>388735707
Unironically what did they mean by this?

>>388735713
him killing the Naaru in an act of actual self defense is a lot less edgy than how I was expecting the scenario to go

>>388735730
see
>>388735707

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>>388726570
New character model costs time and money.
Even though it would have just been a re-color.

>>388735553
Wrong. He can be corrupted with gift, or gifted with corruption.

>>388735730
Math is literally magic

>>388735937

What you're saying has nothing to do with anything.

>>388726570
illidan wtf bruh

>>388735362
Isn't Elune the only true Deity in Azeroth? Old Gods don't count since they're creations of the Void lords

>>388735837
Does it really count as self defence when all the Naaru was trying to do was remove cancer from him?

>>388734759

And he got over it in about five seconds. Everyone else was "Huh, that sure happened."

>>388736079
>cancer that doesn't kill you, makes you immortal, and gives you superpowers

I think I'll pass on that round of chemo, doctor.

What's the strongest boss in WoW today?

>>388736079
nah she wanted to replace it with another form of cancer

>>388736096
>And he got over it in about five seconds

He knew he was next if he pushed the issue.

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>>388736173
Spine of Deathwing

>>388735525
Arcane represents order while fel represents CHAOS

>>388736173

Design wise? Lei-shen.

Powerlevel wise? Deathwing or Archimonde.

Strongest boss in the history of WoW is pre-nerf C'thun.

>>388726570
So uh what's stopping them from grabbing the Xe'ra from another timeline and doing the same shit again?

>>388736423
They know Illidan would get pretty tired of having to vaporize it.

>>388736079
>when all the Naaru was trying to do was remove cancer from him?

that's not at all what it was doing

That Naruu should have known that no means no

>>388736096
>try to kill Illidan who just zapped a Windchime with his eyes
>he's disoriented right now, try to surprise attack him
>he fucking catches my sword
He stopped because he didn't want to get exe zapped too.

>>388736423
Naaru just like the burning legion only exist once in all time lines

>>388726725
Xe'ra violated the NAP.

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>Illidan not being a pathetic beta for once

Never thought I would see the day.

>>388736714
So why did we have to beat Archimondes ass twice?

>>388736664
>Not letting the Naaru use her light tentacles to violate your insides

Illidan must be a flaming faggot to turn this down.

>>388736774
Because we didn't kill him in the Twisting Nether, idiot.

>>388729817
illidan just came in to ks the players, like that 1 fuck in BGs always does

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>>388736705
>try to surprise attack him by screaming TRAITOR

>>388737004

Turalyon is not very good at his job.

>>388736343
>>388736279
Thanks. But I mean in the game right now, not in history.

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>>388736723
Azeroth's only future is glorious ancap

>The chosen one was not Uther, resurrected through the power of the Light

One job, Blizzard.

>>388737205
Fuck Uther, this is all his fault. If he just did Arthas bidding and destroyed Stratholme all of this would've been avoided.

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>>388737180
>>388736723
>yfw the South Seas expansion will fully embrace ancap

>>388737394
>If he just abandoned the moral principles of the Silver Hand and slaughtered an entire city full of innocent people, all of this could have been avoided!

More like if Arthas hadn't been pants on head retarded, none of it would have happened.

>>388737540
What moral principle says it's better to let your citizens turn into undead monsters that will kill even more citizens than just put them down before their sickness spreads?

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>>388726570
I never liked that guy. Not in WC3 not in BC and certainly not now. Dumb fucking edgelord for 12 year olds with a deviantart "I added the wings"-tier design.

Oh well, to each their own.

>>388726570

lol after playing Nier I can't take Illidan seriously since the va sounds exactly the same as Weiss

>>388737540
But they were diseased and all going to die. It was a mercy killing to prevent them from becoming an undead army. It would be one thing to wait for them to turn and then fight a pitched battle, but that's risking a lot of other people's lives and the spread of the disease.

>>388737745
The "muh feelings" moral principle.

>>388737394

>Uther aids Arthas in his purge
>is present when Mal'ganis taunts Arthas, so he's able to convince Arthas to stay in Lordaeron and not freeze his ass off in Northrend
>Frostmourne stays buried in the cave, Lich King never gets his chosen death knight
>Silvermoon never conquered, Sunwell stays intact
>Dalaran never conquered and destroyed, Legion is never even summoned
>Jaina never flees Lordaeron with a bunch of refugees, Orcs and Night Elves duke it by themselves in Kalimdor, one side ends up killing the other

You might be right.

>>388737798
>It was a mercy killing to prevent them from becoming an undead army

That's easy to say when you're doing the killing. Uther made the harder choice. He might have tried to heal or quarantine the infected if Arthas hadn't just banished him immediately.

>>388737798
They had the city surrounded and were in the process of sending in men to save those they can. There was no real threat of the plague spreading outside the walls.

It was likely that very few citizens would have gotten out without getting infected or killed, but fighting against impossible odds and for the good of the common man is literally the duty of the Silver Hand.

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7.3 sucks trust me I played it for like 40 minutes its fucking shit same bullshit as 7.2 wait to do anything. I literally might uninstall this time.

>>388738083
>Uther made the harder choice
"Instead of killing some people, we should just let everyone die and become undead!" I can see why that would be the harder choice.

>>388737989
I'm pretty sure if Uther couldn't convince Arthas to not cull Stratholme, he wouldn't be able to convince Arthas not to pursue Mal'Ganis to Northrend

>>388738179
A morally weak person (like you) would have just gone along with whatever he was told to do. Uther didn't.

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>South Seas Expansion
>Kul Tiras goes neutral
>We have to kill Jaina for not sucking Horde dick
I can't take it anymore. Khadgar, Turalyon, Alleria, is there not a single Alliance character who cares about all the atrocities the Horde is pulling?

>>388738179
What do you mean some people? Arthas wanted to perpetrate a total purge of the city. None would be left alive.

If they had gone with Uther's plan of surrounding the city and trying to fish out survivors, they could have saved some people, however few.

>>388738156
>7.3 sucks trust me
Nigga 7.0 sucked. Legion lost my interest after a month of playing it. No other expansion managed to get boring one month after launch and with the exception of WoD, I played them all day one. So I believe you.

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>>388737745
>>388737798
Uther probably would have gone with Arthas if he said "the people have been blighted, we need to put them out of their misery or they will turn into ghouls and the blight will spread." Instead he just rolled up and started screaming that they've gotta just run in and kill everyone. Before Uther or Jaina could even ask questions Arthas removed Uther from power and told them to get lost while he genocided civilians. If they actually took 30 seconds to think things through they probably could have successfully quarantined the city, Jaina probably could have put the people into fucking cryostasis for all we know, but Arthas was WAY too excited to just run in and kill everyone.

>>388738262
You're right. But Jaina could have.

>>388726570

>Didn't give him a choice
>Illidan didn't want to do it

Xe'ra got itself killed, can't blame Illidan for defending himself

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>>388738363
Prepare for cultural enrichment.

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>WoW and Warcraft threads will always turn into arguments about Stratholme

>>388738156
You can quest for like four hours straight before any gating kicks in.

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>>388735707
>fel is an actual fucking disorder
really makes you think

>>388738363
90% of the shit since Cata was ultimately the Alliance's, and Jaina's in particular, fault.

>>388738737
Sums up Demon Hunter mains perfectly.

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>>388738796
>MoP and WoD
>not entirely the Hordes fault

What did he mean by this?

How did an army of like a hundred people fight an army of infinite demons for a thousand years

>>388738796
Ok, how was anything in MoP the Alliance's fault more than the Horde's?

And reminder, if we're gonna dig back through history, technically the Void Lords are responsible for everything

I legitimately have no idea what is happening in the story. I am constantly asking myself who are these characters? am I supposed to know these people?
We get to Argus and like 5 new characters show up and i'm wondering if i'm supposed to know who they are because they sure talk as if I should. I don't know what Argus is or why we're here other than we have to fight the legion because of THE LIGHT AND THE PROPHECY. was that the draenai starting town we are flying around in? it can fly around? it could have done that this whole time?

I don't know if it's me and my ADD or if blizzard is just the worst storyteller on the planet. i'm not even talking about the quality of the story i'm talking about their ability to convey it to the reader. i'll go through an entire zone barely understanding why we're here or what we accomplished and at the end some huge cinematic plays and often times I feel like the very vast majority of what I did in the zone was not relevant to the cinematic i'm watching.

>>388739160
Ill give you mop wod is 100% the alliance fault, varian saved garrosh.

>>388739203
>Refuse to trade food or lumber with a population that needs it
>Shocked when they take it

>>388739194
They hid really well

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>>388739426
>it could have done that this whole time?

This is a common reaction.

>>388739203
The Alliance started the war in Cata and MoP, Jaina specifically.

>>388739603

The logic of a pathetic beta.

>Hey I need X
>well I don't want to give it to you
>that's okay, I'll just break into your home and steal it
>I guess I better be okay with that!

>>388739426
You're retarded.

Blizzard are shit story tellers that have ruined the lore, but if you don't know what Argus is and are asking if your fucking spaceship is the dreanei start zone you've got brain problems, the latter is explicitly spelled out to you before you get in it.

>>388739742
Which she did as a result of Theramore getting nuked by the Horde

>>388739496
>varian saved garrosh

Thrall saved Garrosh, mate. Varian was going in for the deathblow.

>>388737540
>>388737745
Uther was utterly blinded by his Silver Hand morality - its the entire point of that mission.

It's a fantasy world set in a medieval time-period. Even in our medieval age cities knew to quarantine/purge the infected (black plague) and to burn the dead.

Its not fucking rocket science.

>>388732394
>>388733019
He's not wrong.

>>388739849
Theramore got nuked by the Horde because Jaina used it as a spearhead to launch multiple invasions of Horde territory in Cata.

>>388739851
Watch the video again is the other way around Thrall was about to kill him and Varian blocked the nblow and said "IS NOT YOURS YOU DECIDE" or something like that.

>>388739875

Yeah but in the medieval age, they didn't kill everyone in the fucking city. Also, I'm pretty sure there weren't holy warriors running around with healing powers that might be able to effect some sort of cure.

>>388739849
Theramore was nuked after the war started.

That's why there's a highway going from Theramore to the barrens. She let Varian use her port as a military base instead of telling him to fuck off and it was destroyed because of it.

>>388739742
>Dedicate an entire quarter of your capital to torturing and experimenting on the Alliance
>Continuously attack Alliance settlements and stab them in the back at any joined engagements
>HEY WHY ARE YOU BUILDING A ROAD THAT'S AN ACT OF WAR!

>>388739750
people are deterministically, inescapably going to try to survive. If you're not aware of that, you're a moron.

>>388740039
>Watch the video again is the other way around

Yeah for some reason I remembered it backwards. Please excuse my moment of stupidity.

>>388740064
>Also, I'm pretty sure there weren't holy warriors running around with healing powers that might be able to effect some sort of cure.
Its established in prior missions that healing people -doesn't- work.

The only difference with that city is that EVERYONE was infected - and the difference in this world is that people dont just DIE (which is fine if they are quarantined) they come back as undead soldiers ready to rape your land.

Better to leave the city alone though amirite.

>>388738438
That's Arthas's fault. He was always characterized from the beginning as being of relatively weak character.

>>388740135

>every action someone takes in the name of survival is justified, and you should never oppose them

Yeah, there's that beta logic. Your life is probably pretty sad.

>>388735068
>if the consequences don't happen immediately, then there are none
Are you a dog?

>>388728293
>will probably do with Jaina.

why though she's basically the new redpill

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>>388740251
>That's Arthas's fault. He was always characterized from the beginning as being of relatively weak character.

Yes, and its a decently written character. That of a hopeful, but brash upstart Prince looking to make his name and appear worthy to both his father and his people.

Uther/Jaina helped him guide his moral compass and temper his decisions, but they both decided to leave him at the verge of an extremely crucial decision in his life (murdering his own people).

>>388739426

Argus is the legion's headquarters and s the eredar former homeworld. We have known this since BC. What new characters have been introduced?

>>388740221

>set up barricades at the gates
>kill the undead as they come out
>don't banish the paladins
>don't run off to northrend

I guess you're right, going in with your army and fighting a dreadlord made lots more sense.

>>388740104
Alliance and Horde made a peace treaty after Wrath, Jaina broke it, get fucked.

>>388740297
Justification has nothing to do with it, reread what I said.

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>light character wants to tie you up and enslave you for the prophecy
>void character just enjoys hanging out with you and helping you murder your enemies

who is really the bad guy?

>>388740351
I'm convinced that people who discuss this shit don't play the game. Illidan is held under the sword even after you finish like a dozen quests after that.

>>388740630
is not like she can do anytthing anymore since she was devoured by the other old gods.

>>388740623
>Justification has nothing to do with it

The discussion is about who is most at fault. Justification has everything to do with that, dipshit.

>>388740587
>I guess you're right, going in with your army and fighting a dreadlord made lots more sense.
Considering the fact that he saves a good portion of the city in that mission (albeit Mal'ganis retreats on purpose) if Uther and the paladins had helped him they could've saved far more.

And really, his force is going to be able to hold against the ENTIRE cities population being turned into undead?

>>388740517
Arthas pushed them away himself.

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>>388740620
>Jaina broke it

>>388726570
wait what

is that a redeemed sylvanas windrunner standing in the background?

>>388740879

Her sister.

>>388740753
>Arthas pushed them away himself.
They were fine with potentially letting more of his people die by knowingly letting the enemies army grow in number (making further battles even more costly).

>>388733390
He already got the good end in a previous playthrough, so you know, fuck
it man

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>>388740773
>Jaina didn't let the alliance use theramore to invade the barres, destroy taurajo and siege the gates of mulgore

>>388740737
Trying to put moral attributes on physical inevitabilities is moronic.

>>388736096

Immortal golden wind chimes just tried to rape your strongest soldier in front of an army. I'd be pretty disillusioned too if some dump of rocks tried to tie me down and fuck my boipucci with a light whip

>>388740031
>>388740083
>>388740620
Was it not Garrosh who started the war/broke the treaty by invading Ashenvale?

>>388740731
Why old gods have the best voices? I could listen too Cthun for hours.

>>388740773
She did. Even if you don't look at all the other copious evidence, Orc starter quests literally have SI:7 and Theramore spies in their starting enclave and the questgivers are like "What the fuck she's breaking the treaty".

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>>388740979
>I'm above this discussion

I'll take that to mean you now realize you shouldn't have posted anything in the first place.

>>388740630
How the fuck are you supposed to use those weapons

>>388740965
This.

As much as Jaina went nuclear (heh) over the sheer degree to which Theramore was destroyed. She DID let Varian ferry his armies THROUGH Theramore.

"Oh but I'm neutral I just let them pass through the city"

She gave them a landing point and a means of passage. Therefore aiding them.

Garrosh had no way of knowing if she hadnt fully sided with them - a full military installment directly south of Orgrimmar.

She should've THOUGHT a little bit more about what the fuck she was allowing to happen.

>>388739750
It's more "should've seen that coming"

>>388741067
No, Garrosh invaded Ashenvale after the Alliance already attacked.

>>388741123
It's a caster weapon.

>>388741067
No because theramore was not part of the alliance it was a neutral port.

>>388741141
Not to mention she was helping them invade durotar in the south and the barrens.

>>388741142
>should've seen that coming

They did. Seriously, none of the Night Elves were surprised that the Horde invaded and started burning and pillaging. It's what they do.

>>388741181
Already attacked what? What was the first battle in the 'war' following Wrath?

>>388740773
Literally the only way for the timeline to work is the alliance's invasion of the barrens to come first
>explicitly stated it was pre cataclysm
>Gilneas invasion was hit by cataclysm
>ashenvale was after cataclysm because worgen are present
>goblins couldn't have arrived in azshara until post cataclysm because it's deathwing that causes the volcano to erupt
Frankly, horde is more aggressive in mists and a little more in vanilla but every other expansion has had the alliance be more aggressive. Blizz just bends over backwards to hide alliance grey

>>388741229
Its still a weapon

>>388741116
No, anon. I'm telling you a simple fact and you can't accept it.
It is a stupid, stupid, stupid mentality to not be 100% certain that people will do anything they need to survive, including breaching laws.
You are dumb as a brick if you expect starving people to prioritize lawfulness over their survival.
Dumb. As. A. Fucking. Brick.

Why is that fag even alive? They dedicated a whole expansion to defeat him

>>388741141
Forget just aiding them, Goblin starting quests show that she had a Theramore fleet attack a Horde ship and capture Thrall with orders to leave no witnesses by killing everyone involved.

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Theramore should have been a neutral town since the game launched.

>>388741123
You channel void evergy through it

>>388741321
see >>388741254

Next time don't enter a discussion if you don't know what it's about.

>>388741362
>The Lordaeron survivors living in Theramore should welcome the people committing genocide in Lordaeron with open arms
I swear to god you Horde fanboys. Is it really that hard to actually play the games?

>>388731974
>Using philosophy references (incorrectly) when there's no problem, just cuz you reed higel und sheiss

>>388732181
>His ultimate goal is probably to create a world without gods, where mortals are masters of their own destiny.
How on earth would he know whether that's a "good" outcome or not? Does he comprehend the innermost workings of the soul and mind? How does he know that it needs only itself? Seems pretty asinine.

>>388737396
>>388737396
Holy fuck please ill resub if true

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>>388726570
The people who think "lol edgy kids like this!!" and shit like that are being dumb or didn't play through the portions of Legion Xera was present in.

Xera is effectively the ultimate nerd fanfiction writer, she's been loathed and disliked since inception. She sends you out to do mundane shit, grind Mythic dungeons, and is genuinely obnoxious in a way that makes Green Jesus feel like a significant improvement over her retarded fanfic musings.

Illidan might be a fucking edgelord but jesus christ Xera was literally trying to lightrape him because of her fanfiction styled ramblings and his rejection of them.

Bitch had it coming.

>>388741453
Are you drunk? >>388741254
was posted much later than my first post>>388740135

I can imagine the red shirt guy looking at Legion with his pencil and paper just writing all the bullshit they added on it.

>>388741320
Not really, it's like a ceremonial knife. You just use it to cut up goat's eyeballs and shit.

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>I AM my scars

What did he mean by this

>>388741549
>should welcome the people committing genocide in Lordaeron

Who the fuck are you talking about? The Forsaken are the people of Lordaeron. The Scarlet Crusade are fucking lunatics.

>>388735616
Arthas wasn't the Lich King yet when he fought Illidan at the time. In fact Arthas was weaker at the time since the Lich King was losing power from Illidan's spell before his bitch of a brother stopped him.

>>388741291
The Alliance already attacked Thrall and the Horde navy, Durotar with plans to burn down multiple Horde settlements and siege Orgrimmar, the Barrens by bisecting it all the way to Stonetalon and destroying multiple Tauren villages and destroying an entire tribe, most of this before the Cataclysm actually even happened.

The first time Garrosh launched an invasion against the Alliance was in Wolfheart, which happened quite a while after the Cataclysm .

>>388740135
>hey, stop taking our trees and shit
>"but wez need it to survive"
>aight, for the sake of peace, let's set up a trade deal. We can harvest lumber without hurting the trees, you see. How does this sound?
>"Great, we have deal"
>Uh, excuse me, why are you attacking and ruining our forest again? I thought we had a deal.
>"WE WANT MOAR NOW!"

>>388741067
the treaty was broken when the night elves refused to trade with them because MUH WRATHGATE. They literally have wisps that create infinite lumber but they refuse to give the horde any when they made their treaty specifically so the horde won't cut down their precious trees.

They didn't want to trade so Garrosh just said fuck it and took what he needed

Not saying it's infallible but wowwiki states the invasion of Ashenvale came before Theramore abandoning its neutrality when you look up the article on Theramore.

Jaina is no more wrong than any of the other characters, she just finally chose the right side. There's nothing wrong with attacking the Horde when you're de-facto allied with the alliance, and there's nothing wrong with nuking her city for it either.

As a horde player since vanilla and a lorefag I can confirm that the horde was entirely responsible for restarting the war and deserved everything they got, it's warcraft for fucks sake. Sylvanas went full litch queen in Azeroth, Garrosh accelerated expansion in Kalimdor, Varian fought back and Jaina simply decided she had had enough horde bullshit and did what she should have done in the TFT Durotar campaign instead of killing her father.

>>388741141
Garrosh was power hungry and would've wanted to destroy Theramore one way or another.

>Every one of her previous owners either went insane and/or were lead to their deaths by it
Yeah she just wants to hang out

Knaifu is still the best artifact though. I missed hearing her talk shit about every boss I fought when I played on an alt.

>>388741663
His past experiences/sacrifices (having to sacrifice his own Mages in the first War, also the loss of his eyes and such) have made him who he is.

Hence why he detests her notion of simply 'removing' them.

>>388741667
>Rape your neighbour's daughter in front of him and torture everyone to death
>Massive police force with helicopters and all arrive to arrest you
>WHAT I'M AN AMERICAN I CAN DO WHAT I WANT!

>>388741727
It wasn't refusing trade that broke the treaty, it was literal invasions of Horde lands.

>>388741727
>>388741716
who should I believe?

>>388739978
Stop jerking yourself off

>>388741291

Following Wrath and the cataclysm, Varrian sends troops through Theramore to attack the barrens. Specifically, they attack and kill nearly everyone in Turajo Village. Then they go on to siege Thunder Bluff, where they are still today. Garrosh musters a force and drops a mana bomb on Theramore, the port that Alliance were using to ferry troops from Eastern Kingdoms to Kalimdor.

It may have been overkill, but it was a legitimate military target at the time.

There's also some unclear timeline as Garrosh had also attacked the human settlement right outside of Orgrimmar for being too close and growing too large.

Further, the goblin starter quests have Theramore soldiers take Thrall prisoner with the orders of leaving no one alive as witnesses.

>>388741663
He meant that his Destiny 2 (tm) by Activision is his own since he pre-ordered it at Blizzard Store

>>388727803
Yeah I was thinking a new Demon Hunter spec. Redemption or some shit. A light infused DH.

>>388741826
Seline is fine though.

She's not even Undead despite her body being in the fucking ground for like four decades.

>>388741624

Ok? Should I retype an entire post word for word, or should I simply direct you to it?

The discussion was about who was in the wrong. You apparently thought such a discussion was beneath you because
>people will do anything they need to survive, including breaching laws

But their motivations for being the aggressors are fucking irrelevant - they're still the aggressors. If I steal food because I'm starving to death, I'm still stealing, and I can't be surprised when I'm fucking arrested.

>>388741826
I like Aluneth more but cute knife is also great

>>388726570
Remember when anduin was supposed to be the one to end the legion?

>>388741950
Wasn't Jaina allied with just Thrall? Ever since Garrosh took power she stopped being neutral and sided with the alliance. She was just in for the BGC.

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>>388741989

>>388740741
>Warcraft 3 universe
>can invade wherever and churn out unlimited number of troops as long as you have gold and some barracks
>can freely invade northern
>can freely invade the heart of high elf territory
>can freely invade hyjal
>can't encircle a city and kill all the mongoloid zombies that come out

You can do better anon

>>388741826
She never fucking speaks to me, picked up shadow priest halfway through the expansion and have been playing it since and I've heard maybe 5 unique lines total.

>>388741667
The Forsaken and the Scarlet Crusade are both the people of Lordaeron anon. One is a group of essentially evil zombies and the other is a group of crazy cultists. Both groups hate each other, both groups want old Lordaeron back, it's basically a civil war.

>>388741950
There was no human settlement right outside of Orgrimmar, Jaina moved into the fort that the Cataclysm wiped the Kul Tiras forces out of.

>>388742035
Neither can I be surprised when my starving neighbour steals my food. Especially if I have infinity food, because magic.

>>388742007
I honestly would have preferred this. Anyone else agree or am I just a retard?

>>388740630

I'm gonna miss my knaifu

>>388741716
Inaccurate
>fight in ashenvale until a deal is made
>wrathgate happens and night elves repeal lumber rights
>orcs grudgingly obey
>obey until alliance wage war and a Garrosh thinks "fuck it, I'll just take it"

>>388731725
>The Burning Legion wants to save the universe from the Void Lords.
Yeah by burning it all down

>>388741549
t. alliance "fanboy"

>>388742194
>The Forsaken
Aren't all of them being mind controlled by Sylvannas the same way LK controlled the Scourge? In a more subtle way anyway instead of full on puppets.

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>people are willing to pay 15/mo to get less content than a $15 dlc

>>388742153

Jaina was supposed to be neutral, not really allied with anyone. But yes, she wanted green cock.

>>388742227
Why are you two arguing about surprise? It really doesn't matter, if you deny someone food and they come steal food from you it doesn't matter if it surprises you or not because it's still wrong and you are still justified to seek retribution (through the law in this example and through war when it's a nation stealing from a nation).

>>388742292
youre retarded and that sounds like terrible fanfiction

>>388742035
Except that guy is a retard, and the Horde in fact weren't the aggressors.

>>388742458
smart people just buy WoW tokens

>>388742434
no.

>>388742218

There's a castle / fort area filled with humans right outside of Orgrimmar. Garrosh attacks that at some unknown time, possibly before the Thunder Bluff attack, causing the Thunder Bluff escalation.

>>388742498
That's hurtful :(

>>388742496
To be honest, arguing about the practicality of the issue is more efficient than arguing about hypothetical metaphysical entities that define right/wrong.

>>388742434
No, there are many independent Forsaken still. And the original Forsaken aren't mind controlled but are still fanatically loyal to their rotting savior waifu. The post-wrath Valkyr-spawned Forsaken might be mind controlled to some extent, but if they are it's weak and easily broken.

>>388741752
It's wrong. I don't know if it's different but wowpedia is the more reliable wiki now. Regardless, we are told in game that the alliance attacked prior to the cataclysm. Wolfheart must take place after the cataclysm because part of it is the worgen rejoining the alliance. In it a night elf even thinks about how the orcs had been "exceptionally quiet" leading up to their attack

>>388742596
How do you manage to grind out 200k gold every month? I imagine that'd take up quite a lot of game time alone.

>>388741727
>They literally have wisps that create infinite lumber

Trees are sacred to the Night Elves.

If the Horde wants their own trees, maybe they should ask their own druids to grow some? Maybe then the Tauren can be useful for once.

>>388742620
That was a fortress remnant from the Kul Tiras expedition, which was not allied with the alliance or with Theramore. It was hostile and fighting the horde as early as vanilla, Northwatch was not related to the war.

>>388741950
But what about >>388741752 ?

Mobs in certain places doesn't necessarily mean a whole lot to me as far as setting the date of certain events because technically I can go fight Illidan in the Black Temple, all the Old Gods are fightable/still alive etc

Ashenvale was burning at the same time as the Goblins were being attached by Theramore if we go by in-game mobs present

>>388742786

If you have a thousand alts just do the class hall gold missions

>>388742786
>he doesn't sit on at least two chars with maxed gold

>>388742726
What's stopping her from mind controlling all undead if she decides to go full LK?

>>388741950
>Further, the goblin starter quests have Theramore soldiers take Thrall prisoner

Wasn't that the Alliance? You kill SI:7 agents throughout that quest line.

>>388742620
No there isn't, unless you're talking about the Kul Tiras fort.

It doesn't matter anyway because Jaina moved Theramore troops right into it after the Cataclysm destroyed the Kul Tiras forces, but by that point the Alliance had already instigated the war.

>>388742972

A good racial.

>>388742786
People who played WoD could make tens of thousands of gold a week if they played the Garrison shit right. I didn't bother with that dumpster fire of an expansion so that kind of money is far beyond my grasp, but I have friends who made tens of millions of gold in WoD and have paid for the game with it since tokens were introduced and still have plenty more to go. Much like the real economy the more gold you have the easier it is to make gold, so I imagine if you're clever with your WoD millions you can just keep making more from the Auction House.

>>388742972
AFAIK Forsaken can't be controlled that way due to whatever happened when they broke free. The only way we've ever seen even the LK be able to re-enslave them is by killing them and then raising them again, so Sylvanas would have to purge and raise her entire population.

>>388742972

I don't think her grasp on forsaken is that strong since Alonsus Fall simply told g

>>388731343
the void doesn't actually want to destroy the universe. it just wants to take over and fill it with void beings. which is the same thing the light is trying to do

A'dal is the only bro tier naaru that actually valued individuality and respected different cultures

>>388730221
This
One-shoting that piece of shit was hands down one of the best things he's ever done

>>388739194
They only been doing it for a few decades not milenium, hit and run tactics can be a powerful thing.
>>388741123
It's a ritual knife.

>>388743242
*Alonsus Faol told her to go fuck herself

>>388742745
Told they attacked first by whom and where? Not saying you're wrong but I'm trying to find the first "attack here" order

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ITT Horde kiddies trying to justify literally hilter Garrosh

>>388743292
What are you talking about?
The Light isn't an entity, it's an energy like arcane and shadow that manifests itself inside beings who share a certain philosophy.

>>388743770
What philosophy is that?

>>388743767
>horde kiddies xDDD
>LITTERALY HITLER
Wow it's like im really reading reddit

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>>388735707
>Naaru are opposite of Void Lords
>Illidan just killed the last windchime

First he got cucked by Malfurion now the Void Lords are going to fuck his universe raw. Enjoy watching Tyrande getting tentacle raped for all eternity you edgy elf faggot.

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so which classes are /v/-approved?
im thinking about rerolling a warlock or hunter

>>388743914
You know that the Horde is actually worse than Hitler, right? Fantasy universe genocidal maniac always outstrips normal genocidal maniac.

>>388743930
Ive mained warlock since vanilla quit a month after warlords though

>>388744097
Hitler did nothing wrong.

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>>388744097
Hitler did nothing wrong though.

>>388736096
If you check his eyes, they go from light(golden) to brown after the Xera dies.

Clearly there's more there and there was fear on Turalyon's face - either from Illidan or from the realization he has been a pawn all along.

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>>388744249
>>388744256
>>388743914
No defense arguments other than genocide is fine. Yikes horde is worst off than I thought

>>388743930
Paladin, specifically retribution.
You can buff others, save others lives (lay on hands, blessing of protection), have the best defensives in the game for DPS, can even off-heal well.

>>388744358
Post some proof of said genocide then.

>>388743573
At some point Jaina started building a highway with the intention of reinforcing ashenvale because Garrosh was an asshole and the twilight hammer had framed the horde twice.
Forces from the eastern kingdoms came in, started building whatever that fort is called, and wildhammer firebombed the shit out of camp T. Afterwords they feigned a march on the crossroads, but under the cover of night fell back and took honor stand and at some point began sieging the gates of mulgore
Meanwhile, alliance forces in durotar occupied the old kultiras fort and where the centaur used to be and began planning attacks on horde settlements

>>388743895

Light manifests in people dedicated to a purpose. That's why Scarlet Crusaders can use the light even though they're loonies. It's kind of like haki in One Piece

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>>388744358
>Yikes
>worst off

>>388744284
They also go from brown to gold before she reconstructed herself

>>388736164
10/10

>>388744358
You poor brainwashed fag

theres no way in fucking hell we aren't going to be seeing pics of illidan being tentacle raped by xe'ra

>>388743573
Misread your post typed a lot more than I needed to
https://wow.gamepedia.com/Kilrok_Gorehammer

>>388744284
>they go from light(golden) to brown after the Xera dies

They were brown just before Xe'ra was resurrected, too. If Xe'ra did something to him, it was for a very, very brief span of time.

>>388744358
I never said genocide was fine i said hitler did nothing wrong

>>388744504

I see. So it's possible that a mage could (with training) also use Holy powers?

>>388744825
Would probably never happen story wise. Sounds like their purpose would already be learning and advancing their magic though.

>>388744427
But what proves that happens before Ashenvale?

>>388744954
It did happen though.
It was Med'an.

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>tfw next expansion won't have shitty draenei design
>tfw next expansion won't have shitty green and black fel shit
Just us and the high seas, lads
I'm ready

>>388744825

Draenei mages can technically do that already through their racial

>>388740920
Stratholme was surrounded and there's only really one way out of the city. Nothing was going to get out, and Uther didn't want to just let the city fester, he wanted to go in and look for survivors to get them out. Once it was sure that nothing but the infected resided in the city then, and only then, would the city be purged.

>>388744691
Ah, Interesting

>>388745017
>>388744691

>>388744797
>Hitler did nothing wrong
>Hitler commited genocide
>but Genocide is wrong
>But you still say Hitler is fine
Horde logic ladies and gentlement

So, can we agree that the war between the Horde and the Alliance after Cataclysm happened entirely because of the Forsaken?

>>388745309
Hitler did no genocide sorry sweetie ;^)

Aren't the Naruus some part of gods of light or something? Did he just killed the good guy and he got away with it?

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>>388735341
>Light can only bless
According to who, the light? lightcuck

>>388745124
Just replace green with purple so you have black and purple Old Gods shit

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>think that Metzen is a hack
>mfw he was the only one holding this kind of bullshit back
>warcarft lore is now fully JUST