Shin Megami Tensei IV

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>decide to play SMT IV
>get to the first dungeon
>never let enemies have a turn
>smooth cruise to the first boss
>my demons are a bit different
We got to the point people can't handle simple turn based rpgs if they aren't designed around effortlessly spamming auto attack.

gets easier once you get past minotaur

>>388721568
>scouting failed
>enemies attack
WHOAW

MOST UNLUCKY FORYOU!

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NOW COME SAMURAI
PUT ON A GOOD SHOW

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6cSbof7Pik

>>388721649
Scouting failure is 90% your fault unless you're trying to cheat.

>>388721339
This game has some REALLY bad balancing issues. As you said, survival in the early game is often a matter of RNG is out of your control.
But by the time the game opens up the difficulty dips drastically and only ever keeps going down. And if that wasn't enough it gets trivialized the moment you get access to -karn spells.

>Minotaur and Medusa are hard
>the rest of the game is piss easy until David and Beelzebub

>>388721730
Wrong, IV is very random. However, kill all enemies except the one you try to recruit, and it's not dangerous. You can even hope for mercy.

>>388721814
Beelzebub took me whopping two tries. Still that's two times as many as every boss after Medusa.

SUCH IS A SAMURAI'S SKILL

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>>388721339
Hoy, fellow casualry!

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H-Hoy

>>388721339
man and I thought this is going to have genuine discussion--oh wait, I'm in /v/ that's why

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Fuck the Lucifer design. Fucker instantly makes me regret going chaos with his voice

>>388722093
Go away, Jonater.

>>388721339
Set the difficulty to casual and follow the law route for the best SMT IV experience, son of man.

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Hello there, son of man
You are going to buy my game, right?

>>388721339
>mobs kill you
don't give them turns then
>first boss kills you
cover your weaknesses, exploit his
also USE B U F F S

>>388721339
>have no idea what the thread is about
>look it up
FUCK, I'm playing a spin-off Apocalypse from the start?! I started from the second game, not the original one. How badly am I fucked?

>>388722701
Apocalypse is a sequel

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>>388721339

>>388722093
>my hoys are a bit different

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>decide to play SMT IV
>becomes one of my favorite games
>get all 4 endings
>decide to play through it 4 more times and complete everything

Good game.

>>388722701
Apocalypse is like 3/4 about the protagonist of the original IV.

>>388723080
Getting those fiends to spawn was a pain, though.

>>388721339
Who was in the wrong here?

>>388723227
Pretty much everyone.

>>388722141
thats because he is not really lucifer

>>388722701
Not fucked at all, IV is fucking shit, Final is much better.

>>388723342
How so?

>>388723747
He is half of satan, who is YHVH's puppet
The real lucifer always fights YHVH

>>388723838
Pretty sure that doesn't contradict anything. Being half of Satan doesn't make him "not real". And Satan actually helps you fight YHVH in Apocalypse.

>>388723994
He is not the same Lucifer as in Nocturne for example, because IV Lucifer was split from Satan by YHVH along with Merkabah to keep humanity under his control within a never ending war. Satan has always been a judge created by YHVH so thats why he himself helps you aganist YHVH because he agrees that YHVH has become corrupted and maddened.

>>388724521
>He is not the same Lucifer
No shit. The mainline games are self-contained like FF series. The timeline is just fan speculation.

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>just killed isabeau

i didn't want this to happen

>>388724618
I never talked about timelines, I was talking about the difference of overall design and origin of the new Lucifer

>>388724792
He's still the real Lucifer of IV. Just because he's "not like in my Nocturne" doesn't make him not real.

>>388721339
Now you know why this game is called the Dark Souls of Persona games.

>>388724758
That music tho
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMSmi8ZOSno

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>>388722141
>go chaos to hang with hoy boy
>get saddled with the squid and have to kill isabeau
guess you deserve it by that point

>smt iv
>die over 10 times in the first minutes of the game just trying to recruit a demon
>die multiple times on the way to minotaur
>die multiple times to minotaur
>die a couple of times to medusa
>literally never threatened with death ever again

I have never seen such a backwards difficulty curve in my entire life. The fucking TUTORIAL is infinitely harder than the entire second half of the game.

>>388725169
>didn't realize it debuffs two levels instead of 1
>make him forget the skill when I fused him

>>388725169
>That fight on apocolypse difficulty

Holy fuck, fuck flute boy and that ability

>>388725342
Most SMT games are pretty damn mean early on, but get much easier once you fused yourself a real team. SMT1 gets a million times easier later on once you can zio/binding cry enemies and bosses to death

>>388725383
i never actually tried dream raga, but venomous raga is really useful. combine that with fundraise skills and you can make alot of money fast

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>>388725396
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5XZzTq_gzI

>>388725808
At that point in the game you get him, you don't really have much use for money. The status effects also aren't very helpful, but the debuff component is great, because it's twice as effective as Debilitate at preventing getting one-shot by bosses.

I hope you kids killed yer friends.

>>388726165
Fuck you you're not my real dad

>>388721339
>>save scum to the first boss
>>he literally one shots half my party is his first turn

The first dungeon is stupidly hard but the first boss isn't. It's a noob trap because everyone who complains about getting wiped clearly didn't use buffs or debuffs. All you have to do is cast 2 accuracy up/downs on him and he'll miss every other swing, deleting his press turns and giving you smirks. He's as simple as can be, but noobs don't understand that you can't win every fight by just using the strongest attack over and over again.

>>388722701
You're missing out on a lot of context and backstory

you shoulda known that SMT is the dark souls of turn based RPGs senpai

>>388726415
*of Persona
If you are gonna meme do it right.

>>388723747
Don't listen to the bullshit that anon is telling you. It's lucifer but one from an alternate reality. The lucifer from SMT1-2 is not the same as nocturne's lucifer, and not the same as IV's. Shin Megami Tensei works off of multiverse but for some reason this confuses idiots into thinking this lucifer is YHVH's pawn because he fused to become satan. In the first two SMT games lucifer didn't fuse with satan but satan acts exactly the same as this one, a neutral player that just happens to be under YHVH until he does dumb shit.

>>388724792
He's still the real Lucifer, you dumb nigger. There is no REAL Lucifer, only a collection of different Lucifers of their own respective realities. The same goes for YHVH and each game. Stephen literally explains this shit in the plot dump that was his DLC. I can't believe it took one faggot on reddit to give false information about a fake Lucifer for people to continue parroting this shit.

>>388726365
You don't even need buffs, all you need is to nuke him with ice spells and make sure nobody in the party is weak to fire

>>388726773
But noobs will always blame difficulty, despite the only hard thing in the game being naraku at early levels due to random crit.

>>388726773
>nobody in the party is weak to fire
Does Minotaur even use fire? It's crits you have to worry about. And if, YHVH forbid, you get Walter as the random assist during the fight, you might as well just restart.

>>388723553
oh you gon get it bitch

>>388724758
Go nu-tral then

Fuck beelzebub in this game, if my team doesn't lose half their health to one attack then they die to the others. God damn trail and error bullshit and fuck whoever thought that all mighty attacks was a good idea.

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*smirks*

>>388727020
your first smt? beelzebub really isn't bad in this game especially compared to his incarnation in other games

>>388727050
That design is so fucking good. Easily the best new one in that game

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3wS7QEwUbs

>play defensively instead of always going for the attack
>spam debuffs
There, you're now an SMT master.

>>388727179
>spam debuffs
>hit enrage trigger
>boss removes them all and kills your entire team with megidolaon

>>388727113
Yes it my first and if what you say is true then I dread to play the other games,but I really want to.

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sounds like you need to git gud OP

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>>388727179
*undoes all of your debuffs and maxes out all of his stats in one turn*

>>388727130
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVwSZDXr5LU

>>388727279
you should and to be fair to you I don't know if you were playing on hardest difficulty or not but yeh seriously he is usually a lot worse. There's a reason people say the end game of smtiv (dlc excluded) is piss easy because it is for an smt game.

>>388727050
>Hey kid
>I smell through the eyeholes
>AND the nosehole

Is Apocalypse as good as IV?

>>388727279
Beelzebub in this game is an optional challenge boss, he's probably the hardest boss in the game other than a few of the fiends.

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>>388726940
I'm fairly sure Minotaur does NOT use fire, unlike someone else i know

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*Stands up*

>>388727378
I'm playing on Prentice, the basic setting.
>>388727382
He has a regular pair of cow eyes

>>388721339
Use buffs like Rakukaja, fuse demons with bufu (use the compendium), and dump all of your stat points into magic and speed. Done.

>>388727438
Combat is much better.
Fusion is slightly better.
Everything else is worse.

>>388727438
better combat
Indian street shitty character writing

>>388727020
>fuck whoever thought that all mighty attacks was a good idea.
Belzeebub is the only remotely challenging boss in this game (past Naraku) BECAUSE you can't just cheese him with Tetrakarn+Makarakarn.

>>388727279
He's usually an optional boss. I think the only game where he's semi mandatory is Nocturne, where you need to kill him to get the hardest ending.

>>388722798
>sequel
Not really. More of an alternate timeline.

>>388727541
>almighty spam
>challenging
It's less strategy and more having enough health to survive to your next turn so you can heal.

>>388727524
pretty accurate desu (add overworld navigation as being better), the repeating dungeons is really shit

>>388727571
You fight him as a story boss in SMT Devil Survivor.

>>388727524
>Fusion is slightly better.
How's it better? Like half of the special three- four-way fusions are gone and are now regular race based fusions.
>Everything else is worse.
Negotiations are much, much, MUCH better in Apocalypse. In fact it might just be the ONLY good implementation of the system in all the series. Simply because this time it's not just chance based.

>>388727656
Ah fair enough. I haven't played that one

>>388727624
It sure was challenging enough for people complaining about it.

>>388727760
People complain about it because he's a high level boss you can run into at a low level who will probably fuck you up at that point. It's the Matador effect.

>>388727639
Forgot about the overworld navigation actually. But yeah that's much better in Apocalypse.

>>388727687
It's better a balancing things slightly better than IV. Didn't notice the the special fusions because of the time gap between when I played IV and Apocalypse.

Negations felt the same in both games honestly, when it comes to the scout ability that is. I'd argue the the recruitment rate in Apocalypse is way too high and lenient because the demons just straight up join you if you fuck up twice. Very casualised. Also only Nocturne is pure RNG in negotiations, in IV you just don't be a beta bitch around 80% of demons.

>>388727524
>everything else is worse
Literally only the story and characters. Even then, they're still pretty enjoyable.

This thread makes me wanna replay IV but I still haven't got around to IV-A

I finished more than half the game in one night. Was hooked on it

>>388727934
I beat most lvl 70+ optional bosses in vanilla IV around lvl 30 or whenever it was I got Makarakarn and Tetrakarn. Plus, I think Beelzebub is unique to post-Infernal Tokyo.

>>388727541
But he can easily kill your entire team with some all mighty spams if his own

>>388728070
Negotiations are miles better in Apocalypse, because demons are guaranteed to answer certain questions in a certain manner, and it's not just percent based which they randomly choose from like in IV. And when they steal your shit and run they eventually recognize you the next time you meet them.

>>388728383
I liked that aocalypse just brings you back to life where you were as they know peopole just save before bosses and shit anyway haha, save people having to hard reset

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>>388721339
>mobs oneshotting you
>he doesn't get free turns every time on mob fights

>>388721339
Get out weakling this isn't a game for you and its by far the easiest overall SMT game every made since once you get past Medusa besides one boss/DLC ones its easy as shit.

Build a team around surviving a boss and exposing its weakness. I don't understand what you expect? The same dumb set piece level shit most Persona bosses are where you'd have to be the biggest fuck up in history to lose?

>>388728359
I think the almighty spam was actually an enrage mechanic, which only triggered if you tried to cheese him. And there was a way to just deal with his lightning/status than trying to outheal the almighty spam. But I don't really know all the intricacies of this boss fight. I just remember that Beelzebub was surprisingly not braindead easy like all of the game's content for the past sixty or so hours.

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>>388727438
Gameplay is objectivity better (dungeons, combat, fusion, balanced, negotiation)
Music is the same with some new tracks
Story/cast is up to preference

>>388728543
i think the almighty spam is initiated by doing immunities

>>388728556
>Gameplay is objectivity better (dungeons

you're insane honestly unless you're assuming that they've neer played smtiv as as much as I love smt replaying the smtiva dungeons almost exactly in smtiva is just ridiculous

>>388726407
Yea, that's what I'm afraid. I thought it's just a subtitle, not sequel
>>388723107
That's confusing too, like you see the same character in games so you assume it's the same game. Different covers can be explained by different localization etc.
>>388723553
care to elaborate?

>SMT4 took away my edgelord fantasy because you're helping god even when siding with Lucy in its universe
>SMT4A revitalized this by giving us Dagda the greatest edge lord encouragement of all time.

Dagda is so great from his Irish dumb accent to how hes just so biased it hurts. But i kinda get his motivation. Being the wind and shit must be fucking awesome opposed to being some ugoo

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>>388727480
Oh fuck, I love this gif so much.

>>388728543
>which only triggered if you tried to cheese him.
The fuck is that supposed to mean? I know that he will spam all mighty if you use a gun repel item or magic, but I have also been in moments where he spammed it even without the gun repel. Out of four characters I have to dedicate one to healing, one to buff and debuff spam and the other two to damage and he still finds a easy way to kill me.

>>388728709
It is better though hands down. Now the dungeons aren't amazing. But shit like the last/cosmic egg and Lucys hell version of his base are much better then vanillas dungeons. Weak for a SMT game good compared to 4.

Playing IV for the first time. Is there an objectively best build for MC?
I remember magic builds being ridiculous in devil survivor

>>388721814
minotaur was hard for me.
medusa was raped by my demons.

>>388728776
There was something about his daughteru Brigid and how he was mad Christianity memed on her and she became Saint Brigid in the ATLUS website lore (which game says nothing about).

>>388729019
Both Ma and Dex are fine.
Str affects physical skills too, but not as much as Dex, so it's made obsolete.

>>388723553
Better gameplay wise. Story wise it's the worst SMT in the series.

>>388728198
The only characters I found enjoyable were Gaston and Dagda. Even then Dagda gets very little screen time over all. Navierre was just painful to watch, and such a wasted character. The rest were pretty standard anime, which feels pretty out of place for SMT, plus the dick sucking is horrendous at times. Story felt meh to me and YHVH felt shoehorned in, even though it was a great moment overall. I feel if they focused on the antagonists more than the myriad of characters that join you, the story would've been better because they where much more interesting.

How they presented the world in Apocalypse is a downgrade from IV. Yeah it's easier to navigate but it's set out like a line. All the sidequests just happen to be in the area the story takes place, and your level. The rewards from them were mainly just money or common items, rarely weapons, and 0 armour. Hell the armour balance was fucked since the starting armour had 0 weaknesses and was immune to light, so I used it the entire game, never needed to change.
The new music tracks weren't on par with IV's but that's nitpicking

>>388728383
Guaranteed outcomes doesn't make a better game, in fact it makes it worse. If the player gets their way all the time, it gets boring. that's why RNG is needed but shouldn't be the only factor. Apocalypse went too far in giving the player everything. IV was fine for me, sure I didn't successfully recruit every demon I came across, but I definitely succeeded more than I failed, which felt like a good balance.m When it comes to demons stealing your shit, just don't give them rare shit. Hell learn to say no in general and you'd be surprised at how many more demons join you.

>>388729179
>Str affects physical skills too, but not as much as Dex, so it's made obsolete.
Well I sure wish I knew that before I spent over 150 points on str.

>>388729019
Lu & Agi build are the best if you eant to face the fiends

>>388729259
You still should do fine, just not optimal.

>>388729267
*want

>>388729019
Dex is the best in late game.
Mag is great for all the game.
Luk is great for fun meme builds, which can be very effective.
Agi is a dump stat which you always want to keep up to par.
Str is pretty useless.

>>388729019
IV is Dex all day erry day. Drop stuff into Ag/Lu not to get bodied, but Dex is responsible for nonmagical skill damage including phys, including gun skills (not many demons null/repel/drain it) and charge + Desperate Hit wrecks everything

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In IVA, are luk or agi important for a mag build?

>>388729245
>If the player gets their way all the time, it gets boring. that's why RNG is needed but shouldn't be the only factor. Apocalypse went too far in giving the player everything
If you went refuse x2, then end talks the demons in IV will always join you.

>>388730054
About 80% of them yeah, since their personalities were fucked. The problem is, most players didn't figure this out, and Apocalypse went even further to essentially give you a 100% chance. But then again in IV I always went give 2, refuse 1. Rather than refuse twice.

>>388726069
>Not much use for money
>Not going full autism with compendium fusion to make the best demons you possibly can

shiggy diggy doo

>>388730321
It isn't 80% it's 100%. It works every single time. Apocalypse simply has more chances for the player to get the demon since it's based on pure "skill" without so much reliance in RNG like SJ (and SH)

>>388729921
either of the two

both if you're going to be a healslut/support

>dull story
>boring characters
>inconsistent-ass visual design
>shittiest overworld map in the world
>auto-battle through everything

>but, good music

why does this game get so much praise

SMT IV's soundtrack is among the top 5 best ever made, which alone made it a god tier game for me

it helped that the rest of the game was pretty damn good too.

>>388727341
>tfw I pirated the grinding DLC just so I could beat this fucker
It's a fantastic fight but hard as balls

>>388729921
Luck is more important for Phys/Dex since it affects crit chances a lot. But it's still mildly helpful for magic because it affects the chance of smirking after hitting a weakness. Agility is useful for any build.

>>388729576
High luck is very crucial to physical builds for dem crits. Agi on the other hand isn't relevant since you should be ambushing normal encounters anyway, and for bosses it doesn't matter, because you just take turns anyway.

>>388729921
Luck really isn't that good for a Ma build. Sure magic crits now, but ONLY when you're smirking, not randomly depending on luck like physical attacks do.

>>388732601
Agility also affects hit-rate and dodge rate. It's probably not worth pumping tons of stat points into but if you don't put any points in it at all then you'll be missing attacks a lot.

>>388731883
I got him to red health, missed a single attack and he fucking wiped like half an hour of progress and I didn't felt like fighting him again. Hard, but doable, but still pretty susceptible to RNG bullshit.

>>388732758
Only if you plan on playing on the artificial DLC difficulty. I barely put any points in Agi on a Ma build in Apocalypse and I don't remember missing with spells all that often if ever.

>>388727524
Map is x1000 better
+ tons of QOL improvements

>>388729245
>new music tracks weren't on par with IV
Say what? I understand maybe the normal battle theme but Apocalypse has amazing music overall

>>388733005
The map is literally the same, just with some actual icons on the minimap. But it's awfully, AWFULLY linear and hand-holdy in Apocalypse, since every fucking thing is gated by story progress.

>>388733116
Not saying it's perfect, just that it's so much less of a pain to traverse the overworld than in IV.

>>388733253
It was no pain at all. It's like you people complaining about the overworld never played an RPG that wasn't on rails.

>>388733253
I never had trouble with SMT4's map wtf

>>388733116
>The map is literally the same
they added a bunch of shortcuts so you didn't have to walk through areas constantly to get somewhere

>>388733428
You didn't unlock the terminals?

>>388733116
It's exactly as linear as SMT4. The only difference is that instead of "Sorry bro I'm all out of boats so I'm not taking you across the river lol" now it's "Sorry bro we're doing construction on this bridge lol".

I hate all the fags who complain about SMT4's map just because they can't remember the difference between an area called Shinjuku and an area called Shibuya but it is objectively way more convenient to go from city to city in 4:A. No need to cross a specific river, go underground a specific tunnel, and loop around the map to get somewhere anymore.

>>388731408
>inconsistent-ass visual design
>shittiest overworld map in the world
The only valid points you made, son of man.

well i just finished it. chaos ending. what a sweet ride it was.
i wonder if i should jump straight into IV:A or play some other 3ds jrpg

>>388734341
>chaos ending
IV:A assumes the Neutral ending is "canon".

>>388734482
yeah i know but i wanted to go with my hoy-boy walter

>>388734578
Neutral is also the least retarded ending in IV. I mean I liked Walter way more than I thought I would... up until the point when both he and Jonathan go full retard and become simply token alignment NPCs and lose any semblance of being a believable character.

>>388724758
THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS YOU BETRAY THE LAW

>>388734738
This.
I liked Walter's outlook until he decided to fuse with Lucifer as if it was a good idea. Fuckin moron immediately made me regret my decision.

>>388734738
All the endings are retarded in IV, mainly because of what you just said. Everyone goes for retard during the ending choice. Which is a shame because it felt like they were gonna go in a different direction for IV's endings but got rushed/forced into a classic SMT 1 styled ending.

>>388734943
Should've happened earlier.
I can pinpoint the exact moment the game, and as a result your partners, go full retard. It's happens during "Kill Lilith" quest. Walter goes from "hoy, maybe we shouldn't blindly obey orders, until we investigated the situation for ourselves" to "hoy, mistress Lilith says we should open the gate to the Expanse and wash Tokyo with the blood of innocents".

>>388734971
Everything after The White seems pretty rushed, with Blasted and Infernal Tokyo feeling fairly big for the time you actually spent there (especially Infernal)

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Burroughs is the best girl in IV.

>>388735335
YASO MAGATSUHI

>>388721686
Damn, that song

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>>388735280
>Walter goes from "hoy, maybe we shouldn't blindly obey orders, until we investigated the situation for ourselves" to "hoy, mistress Lilith says we should open the gate to the Expanse and wash Tokyo with the blood of innocents"
fucking this

>>388734943
>>388735280
Well what's wrong with Jonathan then?

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>>388724758
>tfw i got neutral on my first playthrough without a guide
>it was also my first SMT game

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>>388721686
God I love the music in this game

>>388737597
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHPYTkFqH6w

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>>388737649
That was actually one of th3 only songs I didn't like in the game. The whistles just sorta killed it for me. Blasted Tokyo just felt kind of meh to me, I knew it was coming but the atmosphere just didn't feel like I was hoping it would.

>>388737883
>Blasted Tokyo just felt kind of meh to me
That's because lawfags are boring like that. Infernal Tokyo is where it's at.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vrx1sZYgp7E

>>388737432
I think people exaggerate how far gone Jonathan and Walter all the sudden and Jonathan definitely does it less. Jonathan isn't a plain unquestionable lawfag. From the beginning he never looks down on Casualries like other Luxurors do. He doesn't think the people of Tokyo are disgusting unclean ones who should die. He thinks Tayama and Tayama's facility in Roppongi is terrible (Tayama is Law). In the end, he painfully decides to merge with the Archangels because he thinks it's the best choice he has for Mikado, not because he wants to exterminate Tokyo.

Walter's decision is a little more extreme and could've been done a little better but it's also not QUITE as bad as people make it out to be I think. He obviously shows a bit of regret before merging with Lucifer and he says he'll miss the MC.

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>>388737883
I didn't like any of the C* battle themes except for the Fiend remix and /v/ always bullies me for it. I also don't really care about the final boss themes, they sound incredibly generic to me.

>>388737432
>says Pluto is merely parroting words
>fuses with Merkabah and parrots words himself

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What was his problem?

>>388739448
He was stuck in a skelly body and wanted to be set free.

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>>388738461
I am curious how Doi's designs would look like in 3D.

>>388738745
C3 is best senpai. Genociding humans to it in IV:A is great

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>>388723080
>replaying SMT4 while not utilizing any of the demons used in the initial playthrough

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>>388737432
Jonathan is not the problem in Law. Merkabah is

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You now notice Walter wears earrings

>>388739448
Be wanted to be hardcore but his mom didn't let him.

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>>388740327

>>388738745
>Lucifer II harsh noise part
>generic
Get the fuck outta here.

>>388737524
That just means you're a wishy washy bitch that can't form consistent opinions
Burroughs even calls you out for some of the Neutral options

>>388741163
What does Burroughs know, she's a machine.

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>>388741619
>she's a machine.

>>388729921
3 1 1 MAG AGI LUK for magic build
2 1 2 DEX AGI LUK for DEX build

>attack a red quest enemy on the field
>haha surely i'll get the first strike
>enemy gets first strike instead
what were they thinking?

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>>388740327

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>>388738461
>tfw Doi son said he didnt like his father angels
>he said Kaneko designs are better
>Doi got buttblasted

>>388742150
Has he even designed an angel for SMT yet?

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>>388742319
He redraw Merkabah. The angels in IV are from a guest artist

I guess Satan kind of counts

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just beat Asmodeus
this dude sounds like fucking Gen. Nazgrim/Archimonde from WoW

>>388721339
>save scum
Fucking nu males these days

Reminder that the nothingness ending is the best ending

>>388741163
>Burroughs even calls you out for some of the Neutral options
No she doesn't she is full blown neutralfag.

>>388744727
she calls you pathetic when you say you can't decide on something at least one time in the game
don't know if there are more instances

>>388744871
Sauce or shut up nerd.
Go shit in the streets or mindlessly worship some deities.

>>388741163
>Burroughs even calls you out for some of the Neutral options
She does once in the beginning for you saying "I don't know". neutralfags are the only ones forming their opinion since they don't follow the hivemind. You need above 180 IQ to go neutral.

>>388740327
So what was that thing Flynn did?

>>388744871
actually I think it's if you keep picking neutral options at the start of the game

Is this objectively the best SMT song?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDsDYCI3fyc

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>>388745128
You shut up, neutralfag. Not even your old hag AI likes you.

>>388745490
Out of context she isn't talking to you in that scene find new bait plz you fucking sheeple cuck forge your own path, influence is a poison.

>>388745418
This is
https://youtube.com/watch?v=XWBqLS5S_JA

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>>388745867

>>388745490
>retards on /v/ will use a reaction image they saw once as an argument

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>>388745942

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>>388745418
Nope,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6otUQSTdc8

I just want 4 to have 4A's gameplay

>>388746104
What argument? I'm just giving the guy proof that Burroughs does in fact call you out for not siding with Jonathan or Walter in a certain conversation.

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>>388746394
>4A's gameplay with #FE sessions
Pure perfection. Do it, Atlus!

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>>388746569
Tsubasa is now the protagonist for SMTV.

>>388747067
I would buy her game instantly.

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>>388747210
I'm still waiting for her game to get ported to Switch, I want to lick her feet.

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>>388747067
Fuck off, waifuscum.

>>388746394
Atlus has made a fuckton of remasters and doesn't do it for the game that need it the most, especially with how clear IV:A's QoL improvements are
>Labels in overworld map
>Basic fusion and affinities
>Choosing guest ally (and less retarded AI)
That and some revisions for the story like they always do would make a pretty good game

>>388747551
>doesn't do it for the game that need it the most
SMT 1, 2 and 3?

>>388747551
Yeah the improvements made on apocalypse made the overall navigation and combat much smoother and better, a shame that the story was ass (except the vilains they were good)

>>388747686
3 has one that add Fiends and TDE. The original is Jap only
1 and 2 have ports and remake on every 5th gen consoles

>>388747896
I talk about 4A' combat and QoL improvements.

>>388747067
>Literal semen demon

>>388747363
Fuck off demi cuck you aren't even on the upper tier of protags mister Lucifer is my superboss

>>388747851
>a shame that the story was ass
???
As far a smt went it was one of the better ones.
Quit parroting what the school shooters tell you to believe.

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>>388727483
>stands up

>>388748062
1 and 2 don't really have much inherent issues for SNES JRPGs

3 may have a case of late-game and ending being a bit bland, which Amala dungeons, Lucifer ending and Dante from the Devil May Cry series fix

>>388749273
They were real good at the time but they could be improved with more modern gameplay