HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA

So what? This only affects poorfag pirates and poorfags with no internet

>>388717572
If you didn't get it on consoles, that means you are getting it for a gaming PC (because nobody does gaming laptops). So then, when is your PC never connected to the internet?

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>>388717572
What the fuck are you laughing at you retard? It's not a mobile game, It's a PC. You're always going to be connected to the internet.

>>388717685
Most of the biggest mobile games require you to be online anyway

>>388717685
it's just /v/ blowing things out of proportion again because they have to wait a little while before pirating the game.

a few even tried to intentionally tank the steam score by buying the game and playing for 0.1 to 0.8 hours then posting negative saying little more then "it's got Denuvo"

>>388717608
And stubbornfags like me that don't buy drm on principle .

>>388717619
I will never fucking pay for this game

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>>388717608
>>388717619
The 1st comment on that website.

Who cares? No one except internet virgins even knows what denuvo is

>>388717572
This wouldve been a legit reason to sperg out in like 2003.

>>388717831

then you should never play it

why do you think you are entitled to without doing so?

>>388717903
It still is a legit reason to sperg out.

>>388717903
People sperged out about it when Microsoft originally announced that the Xbone required an internet connection

>>388717924
No, it's not. Even in Africa people have smartphones now.
If you don't have internet connection in current year, you have bigger things to worry about

who uses steam that also isn't connected to the internet though

>>388717685
its just out of principle
its like buying shit on kikesteam
you don't fucking even own the game
you can't drag the files into your pc, save them in a disc or anywhere and claim its forever and ever yours, nope, you get banned for speaking your mind, for false positives, for abusing a bug, etc and byebye games.

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>>388717608
this, always on is the present and the future
games are a service, if you dont like it dont buy

>>388718024
That's different. Physical copies still hold a major share and consoles are more portable. You can bring your console to your grandmother's house in the middle of nowhere and put it on her TV. People don't use Steam without internet connection outside autistic cherry picked examples

>the bootyblasted shantytown of the mustard race right now
WEW lads

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>>388718054
sorry, my phone lost signal for a moment
here's your (You)

>there are people that randomly turn off their internet connection

lol why?

>>388718039
I live in one of the richest countries in the world, yet I often find myself in places without stable access to internet because of where I live and because of my lifestyle.

Not everyone lives in the city.

>>388718315
and you bring your pc to those places?

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where is my 2004

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>people actually defend companies doing stupid shit like this

>>388718315
Are you really so addicted to games that you need to play Sonic in all those places?

*goes on the internet to complain about having to use the internet*

>>388718346
I tend to bring a laptop or something along those lines along, yes.

>>388718429
It's first and foremost a matter of principle. I bought the game, and I SHOULD be able to do that with what I bought if I feel like it. There is absolutely no reason to deny someone access to a single player game just because they don't have internet.

>>388718392
And you will see the same fucking retards shitposting with their mobile phones on the 1000+ replies ">tfw no internet" thread.

Funny, isn't it?

>>388718392
It's more a reaction to all the people sperging out and making a mound out of a molehill

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>>388718476

>>388718392
You're probably one of the fags who wants to try and fucking pirate a 20 dollar game that is actually good
>>388718429
This

>>388718514
It is if it helps their sales out and cucks pirates

>>388718392
its not that i like denuvo but i hate this fake outrage culture. and go to the biggest crack status subreddit and you can see its 3rd worlders typing in broken english being entitled to play everything for free and calling companies greedy for trying to protect their games.

>Sonic Mania is intended to be played offline and we're investigating reports on that.
What are we laughing about?

>>388718568
Well, they've lost a sale with me because of it, and I'm sure with many others too.

>>388718568
>cucks pirates
pirates will get a crack you fucking retard, this doesn't cuck pirates at all, this just encourages piracy, like anti-consumer moves always fucking have done

>>388718747
Faggot ass pirates will pirate regardless. Pirates are scum and will pirate things even if the company tries to hinder them in anyway.

Never pirated a game in my life but the online thing kind of makes me not want to buy it because my internet connection is flaky despite how many times we've called and had them come out to "fix" it

at least they said the game was intended to be played offline and that they're working on fixing it

It's ok when Gaben does it!

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>>388718090
Good meme, got me to reply.

>>388718270
My Fritzbox crashes every 2-3 days on top of automatically rebooting once per day.

I don't want to lose any game progress because of shit like that.

Crack out yet?

>>388718090
>this, always on is the present and the future
games are a service, if you dont like it dont buy

Maybe for PCbros. Thank god i bought a 100% offline working PS4.

>>388718807
Why are you so mad at pirates?
You probably don't even own a gaming PC.

>>388717608
I bet you were excited for the initial Xbox One proposition.

>>388718934
I just built one two weeks ago and I'm mad at pirates for pirating even when they could buy it or when the company doesnt try to cuck them with the shit happening with Mania.

>omg xbox is terrible for this but it's okay when steam does it!

But seriously though, just go outside when the internet is down

>>388718807
>>388718997
except there are now people who, having seen customers being treated shittily by steam like this, will now pirate instead. People like to own what they buy, why do you think so many people are transitioning to GOG. you can be mad at pirates all you like, but don't fucking support shit like this

>>388718956
It's already the case for everyone now LMAOoooo
You ARE always online, hence you're here on 4chan discussing on the internet.
This is the future you have chosen in 2004.

>>388718630
They gained a sale from me. Anything with denuvo is an insta buy for me

Is every one just conveniently forgetting the fact that there was ZERO mention of this on the store page?

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This fukin thread compared to the reception of the always online before is fukin hilarious.

Always online seems to be really the future. What is next? Everything on the cloud? KEK

>>388719049
I'm not supporting these business practices, but also I refuse to support pirates who make the sitiuation worse.

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>>388719098
It might actually be worse than that.

>>388719049
>transitioning to gog
Literally only whiny cucks on places like /v/ do that

>>388719196
you're saying denuvo helps sales and cucks pirates, both of which are blatantly untrue

>>388718997
If devs were still doing demos like they did back in the day I wouldn't have to pirate. I've been burned out too many times after having paid 60 bucks for a shit game so yeah I pirate most of my games to see if I'd like it. If i don't I just uninstall them and if I do I'll get the game for full price if I think it's worth it or I wait for a sale and get it then.
Fuck the big corporations man with their "AAA" titles with no content and $100 DLC packs out the ass.

>>388717608
What will you do if your internet gets cut off? What will you do if you want to play in a place without internet?

>Switch version
>Got it 2 weeks ago
>Can play anywhere at anytime

Kek at mustards

>>388719258
>Literally only whiny cucks play DRM-free games
What did you mean by this?

>>388719229
damn this is worse than when rockstar marked their game as 50% off but in reality they just added a shark card to it and kept the price at 60% and called it a bundle deal.

It also made it so you couldn't refund the game because shark cards are nonrefundable.

>>388719363
I'm a PC guy but I'll admit, we lost this one.

>>388719387
60$* not 60%. I typed way too quickly

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>>388719258
tell me this is just because of Gwent

>>388719510
It is

>>388719320
Something else. I'm not addicted and I have other hobbies than video games

>>388717608
>>388717619
>>388717685
>>388717778
>>388717862
>>388718039
shut up you fucking jews

I'm pretty sure that amongst the ones who are the most vocal about this issue are people who were going to pirate the game regardless, simply because they found something legitimate to shit on without getting exposed.

It makes me kinda upset that the people who worked on this game are witnessing their product getting so much backlash simply because of one stupid decision. I think the issue could have been adressed more reasonably. If this turns out to be a justification as to why Mania won't get a follow-up that would be terrible.

>>388718826
Gaben doesn't do this

>>388719559
>Public beta opened May 2017
hmmmmm

>People who are honestly surprised by Sega's business practices.
What's it like being new to games? Because you're either new or fucking retarded. Sega has killed off most of their franchises since the 90s. Their localization and ports have been shitty since two generations ago. Or do Sonic fans really do live in a bubble?

Why did people even bother waiting for the PC version?

It's the same price on the other platforms, runs at 60fps (even on Switch) and came out weeks earlier.

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>>388717608
>PC can do portable too!
>S-S-Switch BTFO

>>388717904
From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs.

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>>388719694
Yeah he did WORSE than this lmao

>>388718956
xbox would have phoned home once a month. you chose to phone home once per day.
lol you can't make this shit up

>>388719626
You do notice, however, that always online extremely limits when you can play, I hope.

>>388717608
This effects everyone, weather you think it effects you or not

>>388719807
Consoles ara about as expensive as a pc nowadays, you just cant buy one.

>>388719807
Mod support.

>>388719682
And they never mattered, but treating your customers like criminals is a good way to lose business from people who were actually interested in giving you money. It always was and always will be a stupid business move.

>>388719431
Only faggots use steam anyway

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>>388717619
>that means you are getting it for a gaming PC

does it?

>>388719682
>people being vocal about shitty business practices are thieving pirates!
fuck off retard/shill

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>People complain about online DRM
>These same people use Steam

>>388719895
>Consoles ara about as expensive as a pc nowadays
A PS4 is like $350.

A budget card like the 1060 is $250 at least and that's just the GPU.

>>388717619
I play Steam games on my laptop

>>388719990
Can still play my Steam games in offline mode.

>>388719320
get a life, family
>>388719883
*affects
*whether

>>388719996
Well we are talking about samish performance, not 1060 level of performance.

>>388719990
get a load of this stupid nigger

>>388720058
>definition of affect is effect
Yea, what ever.

>>388717608
>so what?

It's the future of PC gaming

Someone MIGHT pirate the game, so everyone has to suffer. Glory to our ubermench!

>this is the mindset of corporate scum

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>>388719990
>people complain about thing
>people still USE thing!!
wow really fucking clever there my man

>>388720127
affect = change
effect = result

>>388717572
>getting excited over a sonic game in the first place

heh how's 2002 going for you?

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>they actualy put in denuvo in a 2d sonic game

>>388717857
It's not, but it's the future digital only mustards chose.

>>388719694
>HL2 doesn't exist
What kind of fucking idiots do you let in this place?

>>388720058
Not an argument

>>388719996
>A budget card
>like the 1060
what

>>388719996
Actually I was wrong, PS4 is $260 on Amazon bundled with a game.
>>388720065
What card would you consider on par with a PS4 (in terms of performance, no technical specs)? A 960? Even that costs around $150.

>once again the potential cracked version will be better than the retail version
>W-WHY IS EVERYONE PIRATING GUYS FUCK THE PC MARKET THE GAMES NEVER SELL

>>388720282
And yet you did. As if you're paid to.

>>388719191
>whats next? Always on cloud?

Be careful!

>>388720259
uh, try a 480

>>388720259
>960
Lower.

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>>388719990
>the same people using "THEIR INTERNET" to download from steam
This is hilarious lmao

>>388717685
This, what the hell is all this fucking hysteria over something like that.

>>388720406
More like 550.

Skidrow will crack it anyway.

Some big publisher needs to just bite the bullet and set the trend for constant online, constant server side data validation DRM being acceptable by bundling it with a game that would be literally too big to fail like TESVI or GTAVI. When this happens, gaming will finally become a respectable hobby free from subhumans and third worlder scum.

>>388720505
>550
There was no 550 only 550Ti

>>388717572
Didn't notice, I was too busy playing Sonic Mania.

>>388720526
WORD

i swear some of the people on this board would eat shit for a living if they knew it would piss somebody off even a little

>>388720416
Bullshit, I have a 960 and a PS4 and the performance is comparable. If anything the PS4 has an edge.

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>>388720553
The PS4 only gets 30 FPS in those games.

>>388720620
Mate, we are talking about GTX 480 and GTX 550 Ti

>>388720581
Maybe don't get pissed off over what other people do then??? :)))))

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>complain about Steam being online
The state of """""""""""""pc gaming""""""""""""

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post yfw you won't be buying mania on the pc

>>388717572
>tfw I wanted to get this game for my brother because he likes old sonic but I can't because he usually lives on a submarine.

>>388720505
a 480 should play any next gen game at 1080p 30fps at console level settings

>>388717572
So, say someone who travels with a laptop and is staying at a hotel for whatever reason, maybe their hotel has a bad signal or they can't connect.
Why force an internet connection for a digital Sega Genesis cartridge?

IT DOESN'T NEED ALWAYS ONLINE
AND HOW DO YOU EVEN USE STEAM WITHOUT HAVING FUCKING INTERNET
IT'S JUST A ONE TIME ONLINE CHECK WHEN YOU FIRST START THE GAME
WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU AUTISTS

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>delay the game 2 weeks to put in drm
>never disclose it
>lie through your teeth saying its to polish game
>game comes out
>no mention of drm on store page
>tie pre order bonus (sonic1) to purchase and trick people into playing 2 hours
>no refund goy
>act dumb founded when people find out your scum shit practice
>some (((gamers))) even defend them

hahaha i love this. absolutely love this shitshow.

>>388720712
the delay already solidified my choice to pirate

>>388720719
Thanks, my drink is now all over my screen.

>>388720765
>what is offline mode

>>388720851
The funny thing is I'm actually not joking, he's in the navy

>>388720765
>IT'S JUST A ONE TIME ONLINE CHECK WHEN YOU FIRST START THE GAME
That needs to be repeated every week.

>>388720857
Doesn't fit the narrative, sorry

>>388717608
yeah because internet connections never go down and neither do the servers you have to connect to to play the game

>>388720739
A GTX 480 doesn't play next-gen games because no Vulkan support.
A RX 480 manges 1080p 60fps at ultra settings.

>>388720765
>whats a hotel
>whats a flight
>whats a train
>whats internet going down
"b-but just do something else autist"
that's not the point, why would you let someone tell you when you can and can't use the files you paid for

>>388720406
>>388720553
>>388720649
>>388720739
A 480 maxes out any games at 60 fps on a PC.
The reason the xbone, PS4 and the Pro still can't hit the target framerate of 60 is because of the cancer-tier smartphone grade CPU that bottlenecks the entire system.

I travel a lot woth my job and I don't always get an internet connection, let alone a stable one.
I wanted to pay the game but fuck that. I'll pirate it and donate some money to the devs if it's actually good.

Why buy the game on steam? Its a single player game isnt it? Just buy it elsewhere

>>388720968
it's a one time check you maniac

>>388720967
>no vulkan support
My 290 has vulkan support. It pulls 100fps at 1440p maxed out in DOOM 4.

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>>388719229
Holy fuck

>>388717685
Because SEGA got tricked out of 50k, the same way they *tried* tricking us...

>>388720753
they should've got it on switch. that faggot can't even stream it with horrible input lag at that point, which makes switch the best option. switch wins again, baby.

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>>388717572
>always on DRM
>for remixed 26 year old Sonic levels

Always on sucks shit for those who want to play on-the-go or live in 3rd world countries (like America.)
Other types of DRM is just something we have to accept as part of the modern era. We just gotta make sure it's not retarded DRM, like always on, or really inconvenient things.

I'm not sure why people hate Denuvo specifically.

>>388717572
No rationalizations, this is bulshit.
And it doesn't bode well for Sega's promised PC ports of other games.

>>388721031
The R9 290 also came out 3 years after the GTX 480.

>>388719191

Isn't the "cloud" just someone else storing your shit for you?

>>388719229
OUT
FUCKING
JEWED

>>388721030
not the point though is it m8

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>>388721121
>why don't people just bend over and give up their rights? You don't "own" games anymore, and you should have them taken away at the slightest bit of disapproval because GAMERS ARE ALL EVIL KILL GAMERS REEEE

>>388721023
people who don't own consoles

>>388720967
ah, i just figured since they have similar benchmarks,
still, nowhere near a 970

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It's ok when Gaben allow it

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>>388717572
What shithole do you live in that you don't have an internet connection? If you don't have internet how are you even going to download the game?

>>388717572

Yes it's shit

No it doesn't really matter

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>All they had to do was release the game.
>Instead they add always on DRM and scummy practices so all people talk about is Denuvo, rather than how awesome the game is.
>Now all discussions involving Sonic Mania will be about how Sega scammed their consumers.
>mfw Sega went out of their way to make sure Sonic never recovers and continues being overshadowed by shitty drama.

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>>388717572
>this actually influences the sales and feedbacks so bad they never return to classic 2D Sonic again

PLEASE DON'T

>388721332
why would I give a (you) to someone who hasn't read any responses to this in the thread

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According to anons ITT, the PC version is objectively the best version because it actively prevents pirates from playing it, while the other versions don't do enough to discourage pirates or people who play used games, which are even worse.

Once again PC wins.

>>388721414

Except on consoles.

:)

>>388721332
I'm going to post the same thing that has been answered several times in the thread because I want yous.

That's you, anon.

>>388721147
cloud storage is, cloud computing is basically just over the internet, so say instead of a process being done on your phone, servers connected to an app do all the work then send you the result

>>388721443
Consoles are nothing but huge DRM boxes that prevent others from playing games on them.

>>388721147
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gu4FYSFeWqg

>>388721219
It's not about rights. There's no right to not have DRM in something.
There's a right to have a working product, and you could very easily argue that always-on would give you a non-working product.
But, if advertised as requiring always-on they're not actually doing anything against your rights.

Now, don't get me wrong, DRM, especial the always-on type, or another intrusive type, sucks.
But it's not doing anything to your rights as a consumer.
Get the argument right otherwise you'll never make a difference because they can brush you off as a moron.

>>388721279

Surely it'll be cracked relatively soon?

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>tfw you didn't bought it on the switch

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>>388721508
And Steam is just another form of DRM.

>>388721460
The first thing that comes to mind when bringing up Arkham Knight was his disastrous PC release. I wouldn't be surprised if it gets just as bad with Mania. Which fucking sucks.

>>388721508
>>388721524
so why don't consoles prevent used games from being played? The customer shouldn't be allowed to play a product unless he pays full price for it. Customer rights are evil and need to be abolished because of gamer entitlement.

>>388717572
All steam games must be connect on internet
That's the problem when your connection went down

>>388721460
That's the worst part of this entire mess.

They were finished the game, everyone loved it, discussion was generally great all around, and then they had to shoot themselves in the foot by making the game into ammo for spergs who subscribe to the console wars meme.

It didn't need to be this way, we could've had a legitimately decent Sonic game that was free of shitposting, something that hasn't been done in over 20 years, and yet...here we are.

Sega deserved to become Nintendo's bitch, you'd think they'd learn how anti-piracy shit doesn't work after what happened with the Dreamcast.

I really fucking hate /v/
What a bunch of fucking children

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>>388717572
Cracked in 5 4 3

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>>388721586
*buy
BUY

IT'S DIDN'T FUCKING BUY YOU FUCKING NEANDERTHAL FUCK

>>388717608

>that poor sap that wanted to play mania on a roadtrip with his laptop

nintendo always wins baby

>Preordered the game
>Thinking of returning it
I shouldn't preorder anything.

>>388721678
checks in the mail

>>388717572
Unbelievable.

>>388721606
They tried with cdkeys on consoles, saw negative effect so they stopped

>>388717856
I bet the 2nd post in that image is one of the /v/edditors constantly posting here

>>388721750
What is 4G?

>>388721678
I know right?

One minute they're shitting on games because a chick's skirt is a few inches longer than the Japanese release, another moment they're calling you a poorfag because you don't want to deal with DRM on top of the bullshit you have to deal with on Steam.

I know /v/ isn't one person but goddamn is it tiring discussing games because people will always try and find some reason to shit on it.

>>388721750
Ultimately this.
Mania is best as a portable game. People arguing "well durr hurr why wouldn't you play this on your GTX titan 5?" are missing the point. Mania is a lightweight game that even my old XP laptop can run. I'm not going to be expecting constant authentication when trying to play it.

But I guess brainlets will fall for anything if they can rationalize it to themselves.

>>388721587
Good thing that pirated games work without Steam.

Why even buy this. just play sonic 2 instead

>>388721848
>>388721750
The Switch version of Mania is the worst though, because you can play it offline, which means you might've bought it used, or you might be pirating it. The customer shouldn't be allowed that right and needs to be punished.

>>388717608
>DRM that was cracked a year ago will affect pirates

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>>388721825
I'm convinced the masses of people with objectively stupid opinions are actually a few people pretending to be retarded. No one can seriously look at this situation, Day 1 unannounced DRM which took two extra weeks to implement without the knowledge of the developers, and think "Gee, Sega sure didn't screw us over!"

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>>388721606
Microsoft tried to do "always online" and make used games illegal.

Funny enough there's less DRM on a PS4 than Steam. For now anyway, god help us all when digital takes over completely.

>>388721856
It's a bunch of dedicated anons.
Very dedicated.
Sonic continues to be an autism magnet, even if you hate it.

Pirate win again
Steamcucks still getting cucked to hell and back

>>388717572
EA and blizzard fucked up with always online. If they couldn't do it, why do sega think they can.

>>388721606
>so why don't consoles prevent used games from being played?
They (was it Microsoft?) tried that. The outcry was so huge that they scrapped the idea.

It should be noted, it was not illegal for them to do that, nor did go against your rights, it was just that they were worried that it would hurt their sales because of the level of backlash.

Consumer rights are important, but if something is sold to you honestly, then your rights aren't being trampled.

We also have to acknowledge that digital is a new medium, we haven't had the decades (centuries?) of court cases and government policies that shape the medium the way physical property has.

Maybe DRM will one day be seen as against consumer rights, but at the moment, it isn't.

By all means, tell them it sucks, don't buy games with DRM and lead an anti-DRM movement, but don't pretend that non-existant-rights are being trampled on. Your goal is to create new rights.

Which is fine.

Well they have some nerve after they basically 'pirated' the Sonic IP

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>>388718997
oy vey 0.2$ have been deposited in your account

>>388721854
This.

I have an Android phone instead of an iPhone because I hate walled gardens. With Android I can just throw whatever software on it that I want.

Sadly nowadays Steam has become so big.

>WoW requires always on internet

Dropped

Enough people are sending angry letters and shit to Sega of Europe that they're probably gonna remove it. Even Taxman and Stealth are angry.

>>388722223
iphones can be jailbroken you dolt. it just shows how stupid you are. you only pretend to be smart

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>nu-/v/ defends having less freedom to do what you want with the game you purchased
jesus christ I want summer to end

>>388722239
This. It's why I only buy digital goods on steam. Customers don't deserve to "own" their products. Companies should have the right to take them away at a moment's notice. If not, they might start getting entitled. :^)

>>388722307
>needing to jailbreak your phone just to compete with others

pathetic

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>>388722295
Once again, Sega always finds a way to fuck things up!

>>388722387
>I WANT YOU TO BE MAD!! HEAR ME!! GET MAD!!

fuck off with your outrage culture dweeb

>>388719229

that sounds highly illegal

>>388722407
>needing to root your phone to compete with jailbreak
pathetic

>>388718576
>trying to protect their games
Yeah dude spending $100k on malware that degrades your SSD in a split second is really going to make all those 3rd worlders buy the game!
Don't ever post again.

>>388722307
Can you use your bank's app? I couldn't on a rooted android phone.

>>388722423
Even that Aaron guy who's Sonic Team's PR manager is annoyed. He's the one telling people to send the letters to SoE talking about removing the DRM shit.

>>388722307
Yeah and Android allows me freedom without having to root.

>Downloadable only game
>Suddenly I don't have internet anymore!
I wonder who could be behind those threads.
HMMmmmm

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>Mania wouldn't exist without ROM-hacking and the ability to modify the software you purchased however you want
>Put the most intrusive DRM ever invented on it
Sega is so fucked

>>388717572
>tfw piratebay goes down right when I want to grab mania

>>388722579 not enough freedom
see >>388722484

I can understand why they did it. Lots and lots of people somewhat interested in this game.

>>388722505
stop using words you dont know the meaning off underaged cunt

>in ONE thread there's been
>PC vs Console
>DRM vs no DRM
>Piratefags vs buy fags
> and now Apple vs Android
why does /v/ argue so much

>>388722783
We don't!

Looking forward to pirating this next week

>>388720036
Me too.
And I have an internet connection since I download my game on Steam.

>>388722678
>Nu-/v/ at its finest. I smell /pol/
lotta buzzwords there buddy

>>388722783
Because it's full of butthurt faggots who are unsatisfied with their lives and thus waste their time taking it out on others.

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>20$ for a 16 year old rom hack with a few new levels and denuvo

>>388722086

Don't be so autistic. What he is saying is that one of the most recognized consumer rights is the the doctrine of first sale, which would potentially be violated if the Xbone decided to kill used games (it certainly goes against the basis of the law, but Microsoft was willing to try it, so who knows).

This is why companies say that you don't "own" your games when you buy them. They're always running the risk of violating that and getting taken to court over it.

>>388721460
Nobody gives a shit about consoles

http://steamcommunity.com/games/584400/announcements/detail/1448326045461380318
http://steamcommunity.com/games/584400/announcements/detail/1448326045461380318
http://steamcommunity.com/games/584400/announcements/detail/1448326045461380318
now fuck off

>>388719229
I didn't even want to play this game, but now I'm going to pirate.

>>388721627
>something that hasn't been done in over 20 years
Advance 1 came out 16 years ago not 20

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>It's ok when Steam is online
>It's ok when Steam is a different form of DRM
>it's ok when you need internet to download the game
>But it's not ok that you need an internet to play
PC gaming is a literal meme
No wonder people mostly use it to play MMOs, Moba and online FPS.

>>388722961
this doesn't say they're doing anything, just addressing that they fucked up

>>388721856
>It feels like we're in the middle of a /pol/tard invasion
No it's not. More like a redditard/neofag invasion
/pol/ aren't fucking cucks and would never stand for this jewish bullshit

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>multiplayer is local only
Game of the year

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>>388723016
The future is always online and it's already the case. The most popular pc games are online pc games.

>>388723016
>It's ok when Steam is online
>It's ok when Steam is a different form of DRM
Said nobody ever. If I could transfer my steam games to GOG, I would in a heartbeat. I hate needing a third party client just to play my games.

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>>388719229
my god
this is evil

>>388723057
>reading comprehension

>>388718090
What a brain dead faggot. You should actually kill yourself protect the gene pool from your retardation.

>>388719229
>>388720791
They were probably the only AAA dev with a decent reputation, and they ruin it to sell a few $20 games. Are they retarded?

>>388723016

It's okay when Steam is online because it doesn't boot me out of my game if I lose connection to Steam.
It's okay when Steam is a different form of DRM because it's non-intrusive and provides an actual service.
It's okay to need internet to download the game because that doesn't rely on a constant, stable connection when I'm trying to enjoy something.
It's not okay that if my internet goes out, I can't play the game that I bought and own because pirates exist.

Do you not understand how these are all different things?

>>388723220
sorry, they're going to try and fix the "error" so you know they lied about delayed release so they can fuck you with denuvo when you shill out your sheckles to the DRM overlords

>>388722961
Game will still have Denuvo which fucks with performance and uses up thousands of read/writes, fucking inbred. Always Online is only a part of the issue.

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>>388718270
To avoid dipshits like you.

>>388722678
>defending online drm
I smell reddit/neogaf

https://www.oneangrygamer.net/2017/08/sonic-mania-pc-community-provides-workaround-for-always-on-drm/38315/

>>388722505
>degrades your SSD
this meme again, poorfags and thirdworlders should not be on the same internet as the developed world

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>>388722961
>Oh no! People found out!
Nice damage control SEGA.

>>388723016
dumb frogposter

>>388723573
You don't have a single clue as to how Denuvo functions. Get fucked.

I don't understand, why does a Sonic game have DENUVO?

>>388723573
It's not a meme you piece of fucking shit

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>every other board doesn't care about piracy and encourages it

>/v/ is literally defending companies now

>>388717608
>>388717685
>>388717619
>>388717778
>>388717857
>>388717862
>>388717903
>>388718174
>>388718270
>>388718392
>>388718808
>>388719021
>>388719229

>>388723635
>>388723694
t. poorfag hue and poo

>>388723573
literaly fucking kill yourself you shill.

>>388723481
>Game will still have Denuvo which fucks with performance
game run flawlessly on a fucking thinkpad with an Intel integrated graphic card, but you still pretend it have performance issue.

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if always online is a problem, how are you seeing this post?
checkmate, piratefags

>>388723663
Because Sega are a bunch of kikes

>>388723573
it's true
I installed Nier on it and after 5 minutes my SSD melted from overheating.

/v/ requires an internet connection to browse

>>388723663
There are a lot of autistic Sonic fans. They will buy it regardless.

>>388723792
that was just your mom
not the same thing

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>>388717619
Literally the Diablo 3 defense
Now let me give the Diablo 3 reply; because their servers can fuck up idiot.
Ignoring everything else the biggest problem is their servers dying and leaving you with worthless data on your PC

>>388723801
does /v cost 20$?

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>>388723771
Can't believe cocksuckers like you who defend DRM are still around for the summer.

Seems the consolebros win again. Sonic Mania joins the long list of ass ports.

>>388723741
shut up just shut up

Delicious PC tears. The salty flavor never disappoints.

>>388723853
yeah, look at how Steam server are fucking up right now
LOOOOOOK

>>388723782

Pirates aren't buying the game and are waiting for the crack

The always online thing is an issue for the people that bought it.
So really, its console fags of all people that got out best from this, Switch users especially because they can play it on the go

And the ones suffering are the ones that got jewed into paying for an online rental license for the steam version

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>>388723896
show me a machine where it can't run or have "performance issue".

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>it's another pc game thread where consolefags are larping

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>>388724001
>they can play it on the go
This is such an overrated factor. Only literal children play games on the go.

I'd rather sit on a comfy sofa/chair while I play a game rather than being scrunched to a tiny 5 inch screen

>>388724013
There's plenty of reports of input delay, achievements not functioning, game not randomly not registering controllers even after a reinstall, etc.
Not to mention Denuvo running thousands of checks on every loadstate to make sure you aren't a dirty modder, increasing load times and using up read/writes for no reason.

>>388724001
>So really, its console fags of all people that got out best from this, Switch users especially because they got the leak and a handheld hardware

>before the election
>/v/ sees always online as a bad thing

>after election when it's been proven ctr shills and reddit brigaiders come to 4chan to curb opinion
>literally garbling on the cocks of the jews

really
makes
you
think

>You have lived to see people defend DRM unironically
Think I'm done living

>>388724001
>400 dollars for a sonic/zelda machine
>switch won!

>>388724131
sure thing sure thing

>>388717608
You need the internet to buy the game hijo de puta burro

>pirates
>go to their favorite torrent site to look for sonic on release day
>they see it's not there
>find out it has Denuvo
>post on 4chan crying about how they won't buy it now because of DRM
>after throwing a fit for a couple hours proceed to use allowance to buy it on Steam because impatient manbabies
>its third on top selling list on steam
DRM DOES work really well.

y-you console fags wont be laughing for l-long. w-we will still get the best free version just you wait and see!

>>388720765
CAPS LOCK I FUCKING LOVE CAPS LOCK
Fuck off you retard, I want to play with games my way it gives me the illusion that I own the game, get out of here.

>>388724145
basically this, remember the xbox one fiasco and this dunce >>388718090 ?

>>388719229
THE
STATE
OF
PC
GAMING

>>388724147
It's mostly irrational consolekiddies who are butthurt their favourite game gets ported to PC.

>>388724236
denuvo gets cracked in 1-3 days now
keep up with the times nigger

>>388719990
steam isn't drm

>>388719320
>cable internet cuts off
>plug in 4g and continue playing
>4g is cut off
>have bigger problems than video games because at that point you must be living in houston for it to happen

>>388724145
No shit
This place is filled with cancerous redditors/neofaggots which need to be gassed

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If at least it was gogfags, I would understand, but consolefags with their paid online?

>>388724145
>>388724147
People who were 8 years old in 2007 are allowed to post here now.

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>>388724346
>Buy a game tied to steam
>Can't run it without running steam

Denuvo barely affects pirates, any popular game gets cracked within a month now. So it's just a short delay tactic.

Also, Steam users who bought the game are pissed. That means people who paid for the game, so any piracy argument means nothing. The only thing it's doing is hurting paying customers.

>>388717572
>Denuvo on a fucking Sonic game
This is some next level retardation.

>>388724210
die cunt

>>388724446
wrong?
That's Steamwork
not all steam games need steam after installation

>>388721856
get the fuck off our website you faggot

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>>388724469
on a Sonic game made by fucking ROM-hackers on an engine built by yanking code from another one, no less.

>>388724446
A game being able to run with or without Steam is entirely dependent on if the dev decided to tie it to Steam or not. There are games that can be run without Steam running even if they were bought off Steam. Educate yourself first before trying to argue shit you don't know you retard.

is the crack out yet?

>>388724474
>DIE DIE DIE! Stop exposing the fraud and the falseflag I am!

>>388722678
>nu-/v/ calling someone else nu-/v/

>>388724439
Just PC gamers paid for WOW, FF14 and others MMO amirite? LMAOoooooooo

>>388724610
it hasn't even been a day, it'll take 1-3 days at best and a week at most

>>388724695
are you alright?

>>388724705
Back to sleeping

>>388723721
>piracy is good

i don't care about piracy, but i find it funny that people that proudly brag about illegally getting free games are going about calling companies for being kikes

>>388723721
well /v/ is shithole of internet right now so what do you expect ?

>>388723941
>IT ISN'T HAPPENING RIGHT NOW SO IT'LL NEVER HAPPEN

were "/v/" this annoying when Doom was out?

>>388717572
why would any one want to play sonic in first place ?

>>388722239
And people still complain to no end that they can't access old versions of the game, and a lot of MMOs have been completely blackholed over the years. People literally complain about that constantly even in an online game. How is it even remotely acceptible for a single-player game to eventually become unplayable when Denuvo's authentication server goes down?

>>388724821
>literally admitting the problem doesn't exist
>j-j-just you wait!!
You remind me those retards who really believe all our games will not be aviable anymore because "Steam will die one day!".

>>388724845
To be fair a lot of companies now remove Denuvo after a couple weeks but it still shouldn't be there to begin with.

>>388719990
that why niggers are inferior to basically anyone

>>388724446
but that's factually incorrect
steamWORKS is drm, steam is just a store

>>388724770
Piracy is good in the costumer side because it lets you test the games to see if you like them. I wouldn't have bought BoI or Darkest Dungeon if I hadn't been able to play them first and see if they are fun.

>needing a company to practically hold your hand to make sure you're playing as intended

You might be okay with this if you're a small infant incapable of choosing for yourselves.
But as paying customers we should expect better.

>>388724770
It's an endless cycle where companies become more and more scummy, which causes people to buy less games, which encourages companies to become more scummy just to squeeze as much juice from the lemon before it rots off the tree.

I mean, when you have Sega doing shit like this >>388719229 it's hard not to see piracy as a viable option in the long run since a) DRM has been known to fuck with paying customers and b) DRM will be cracked eventually.

With that being said, people who try and justify their piracy can jump off a bridge, as well as the people who think that people who complain about it are poorfags who just want an excuse to pirate.

>>388719990
>>People complain about X
>>These same people use Y

What a retarded argument

>>388723721
>Jumping off a bridge is good if everyone else does it
>This board isn't a communist shithole
>*Mass replies behind you*

>>388724931
That's because it works. It gets pirates who would have pirated the game to buy it instead. >>388724215 After they get those sales they otherwise would have lost their use of it is done.

>>388720515
since when skidrow cracks games ? they only copy paste script for steam drm nothing more

>>388718392
Everyone and their mom here pirated the shit out of Bayonetta, it's only normal that Sega decided that their next game will have some anti-piracy measures.

You guys actually WANT games to have Denuvo, so you have an easy excuse to justify your pathetic thievery, don't lie.

>>388725198
>Everyone and their mom here pirated the shit out of Bayonetta
didn't Bayonetta sell incredibly well?

and why would you buy a sonic game that is pretty much just a port anyhow

>>388725161
>It gets pirates who would have pirated the game to buy it instead
(((citation needed)))

>>388724695
You're an idiot
MMO's are a service and have always been
PC gamers on the other hand don't have to pay 60 dollars a year just to play the latest Call of Duty online

>>388725161
>It gets pirates who would have pirated the game to buy it instead
Even if that were true it TANGIBLY gets people not to buy it.

>>388724931
That's completely pointless to protect sales. There's no evidence that it helps sales on release, but DRM will protect the long term trickle of downloads years down the line. It only makes sense to keep it for years and years. Normally it would just get cracked over time, but Denuvo claims to be secure, so it would work. I'm sure Steam is a much better option for most publishers for this reason, and moving a lot of old, commonly emulated games there proves this.

>>388724145
>after election when it's been proven ctr shills and reddit brigaiders come to 4chan to curb opinion
>after election
Are you new? It's been like this for nearly a decade now.

>>388725423
Oh I'm in complete agreement with you there I'm just saying that the "game shutting down forever" issue is less of a concern today.

>>388724338
Why would they defend a practice that makes the port of their favourite game inherently shittier?

>>388725303
>>388725375
Yes, because game publishers are so much more stupid than random individuals who play video games all day on the economic benefits of DRM. They research DRM well. They don't care about piracy or not, they care about if the DRM will make sales better, which it does.

>sonic
Why should I care

>>388723721
old /v/ died when gamergate happened

>>388725161
>this is what marketers actually believe

>>388725565
read
>irrational

>>388725565
to shit up pc threads.
That's not really hard.

>>388717572
>See thread
>Assblasted Neo-/v/ pretending to be Old-/v/
>Half the Assblasted Neo-/v/ are just name calling people, 1/3rds are shit tier arguments only people with room temperature IQ would agree with, and 1/6th are mass replies
inb4 Newfags reply with "bootlicker" and "Game companies are EVIL and so is Capitalism"

>>388719229
Sega clearly thought this out, the more I think about this whole situation the more fucked up it gets. They could've easily released the game as is alongside console releases as it's pretty clear the delay for polish/bug fixes was a total lie. So why didn't they? Simple. Sega didn't want the backlash from the PC market to effect console sales. Yes, you'd still have people who wouldn't have cared either way, you see that even now. Point is, Sega was really fucking devious with this shit.

>>388725603
>because game publishers are so much more stupid than random individuals who play video games all day on the economic benefits of DRM.
Glad you're starting to catch up to everyone else.

>>388717572
Oh wow, I guess i will HAVE to connect my PC to the internet ... Man what a scam, it's been 30 years since I went online, I don't want to do that just for a game

please

>>388725603
Ignoring your retarded fucking appeal to authority without a single stat to back it up, executives view (and they've stated this train of thought in press releases and shareholder meetings and whatnot) piracy numbers as "lost sales". They see that a game was pirated 10k times on a site and think "those are 10k sales we didn't make!" ignoring the fact that a number of those would never have bought the game to begin with even without DRM. So they put shit like Denuvo on (causing more people to not buy the game) and they see "oh wow there's no piracy we aren't losing sales!". They sell 500k copies (less than they would've due to people running from Denuvo) and then decide people just didn't have any interest because those are the maximum sales they could've made. But at least they didn't lose any to people who weren't going to pay!
Hell we can even take interviews with Gabe Newell where he sat down with the heads of companies and explained to them how DRM isn't a benefit and piracy can also serve as a demoing tool or word of mouth, which he backs up with statistics of their own sales and user reports.
http://www.tcs.cam.ac.uk/interviews/0012301-interview-gabe-newell.html
Get fucked.