Dragon Ball FighterZ

Vegeta is literally the only good character in all of DBZ
Prove me wrong

I hope Yamcha is playable since if he's in then Tien will inevitably be there alongside him. We never seem to get one without the other in games.

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When are they announcing the strongest human?

Do we have any idea how many characters there will be? The select menu looks so small.

>>388688494
Gohan > ALL

>>388688494
>Vejobber
>Good

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REMEMBER THIS LEAK

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>>388688509
It seems to be so, but they never bother to add bestboy.

Don't see why, he has a decent enough moveset in the canon.

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Is this the dumbest thing Goku has ever done in the history of Dragon Ball?

>>388688652
>alt costumes
This can be safely dismissed

>>388688583
>>388688607
I said character not fighter

>>388688541
Krillin has already been announced

>>388688652
I've already forgotten it.

>>388688731
WHY .... the other leak never metions yamcha ....

>>388688719
Chiaotzu has literally NEVER been relevant. Tien has always told him he's too weak for shit.

>>388688763
>implying Gohan is a bad character

>>388688730
Goku and Vegeta have done a lot of stupid shit before

>>388688652
Great Saiyaman is literally the only way I'll accept adult Gohan. God, what a fucking terrible character. Going from literally defeating Cell at the age of 11 (Singlehandedly mind you) only to grow up into such a huge fucking faggot.

>>388688494
I always loved how Vegeta's character arc of becoming a good man isn't over until literally the climax of the entire series. One of the few merits of the Buu saga was getting to it through to the end. I often think Vegeta being so thoroughly developed was completely unintentional on Toriyama's part and just happened to fall in place perfectly.

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>>388688364
Kale soon right?

>>388688565
base at least 24 not counting the SSBs

>>388688730
Nah, he knew Gohan could beat him the whole time. Thats why he was so nonchalant about Cell being stronger than him. Letting Frieza live and letting go of Raditz's tail was dumber.

>>388688821
Its because of how ArcSys animates everything by hand, alt costumes take about the same work as a new character. I hope Yamcha gets in too.

>>388688730
Not taking the FUCKING HEART MEDICINE. At least that one makes sense from Goku's perspective

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>>388688730
>Lets Vegeta run free ( ended up being good)
>gives Frieza energy when hes half dead
>gives Cell a Cellzu bean
>doesnt kill fatbuu cuz MUH SONS GOTTA DO IT IM DEAD

>>388688652
>that
>a leak

Alternate costumes aren't going to happen, they'd take about as much effort as making a new character due to how the graphics work.

>>388688836
The only reason why Chiaotzu even remained present is because Tien needed to be shown hanging out with someone so he wouldn't be pale-Piccolo. Though it begs the question why Oolong stayed a part of the cast while Launch got the boot.

>>388688965
It definitely doesn't feel intentional. Him admitting that he ended up considering Earth his home and the whole talk with Trunks right before sacrificing himself was really emotional for DBZ.

>>388688494
Big Green is better

>>388689163
As much effort? Are you retarded? You think shading a character frame by frame is as much work as
>making new model
>making entire moveset
>shading frame by frame

>>388688494
Tenshinhan, Piccolo, Vegeta as well, Future Trunks, Gohan (up to a point,) Goku (up to a point,) Krillin, there's a lot of good. Admittedly, for the old characters most of the good comes from DB but eh. There are a lot of good characters, they just don't get as much attention as they should, and in some cases, some get assassinated (see: Chichi)

>>388688730
Cell had Piccolo genes and could regenerate by himself. Gohan wasn't going to obliterate him on the first go and Super Perfect Cell would have come about regardless. That stupidity is trumped by
>Not finding Gero's lab because "muh fighting"
>Not murdering Fat Buu

>>388688731
Normally I'd agree, but the producer of the game says that alternate costumes are in consideration. I wouldn't write it out entirely, though I'd argue it's better to do so.

>>388689325
He's second best, but he only developed from DB to early DBZ. After Freeza he stagnated super hard while Vegeta got better (until Super at least, but even then Super still remembers his family ties)

>>388689430
Gohan's character assassination is the absolute worst in the franchise.

>>388689430
chichi's assassination was so bad

i loved her uneducated mountain princess retard thing and hate how she tries to compensate for being a bumpkin by being a helicopter mom

>>388689325
my niggamekian

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>>388688836
I don't get -why- Chiaotzu is weak. I haven't seen his movie, but there's no actual reason for it. He trains just as hard as Tien. He wouldn't be as strong as Tien, but he certainty wouldn't be weak either.

>>388689746
See: >>388690078

I mean, yeah, Gohan grew up with this silly notion of dressing up like a superhero to fight crime, but that's not too bad. It allows him to use his powers for good while staying anonymous. I was bothered with him not training, though. You'd think seeing his dad die to clean up his mess would keep him active on that front. But that was more of a Chichi problem, and Chichi wouldn't have been a problem if she hadn't been changed so badly. So I'd argue Chichi is worse in terms of character assassination.

Granted, if we're considering Super then Gohan's got it bad, even if he's a key player now.

>>388690459
Yeah, I liked the Saiyanman antics, but not bothering to train after Cell (not even in secret) made it hard to care for him as a main character.

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>>388690459
>Granted, if we're considering Super then Gohan's got it bad, even if he's a key player now.
seriously. super would've been the perfect time to bring up his piccolo training and tactics with goku levels of strength.

>>388690867
man mystic gohan really wouldn't have a super of the same quality of the father/son kamehameha huh

>>388690867
I need an Ultimate Gohan and Gotenks trailer for TGS

>>388690665
He should have definitely kept training, even if it was in secret. A lot of the earlier problems with the Buu saga would've been easily dealt with if he had stayed at the same level he was in against Cell. It would've been cool seeing Goku and Gohan have a moment where Goku's like, "Wow, you're even stronger than you were against Cell!" Then Gohan replies with something like, "I have to be, you aren't here anymore," or something like that. Then Goku's all, "I'm proud of ya, Gohan." Not word for word, but something. Then Majin Buu ends up being in a separate class altogether, and that's where the real arc starts.

>>388690917
> piccolo training and tactics with goku levels of strength

It'd be too good, honestly. There'd be very little way of justifying Gohan staying out of the picture while Goku and Vegeta are out doing their shit. I don't mind Salaryman Gohan too much but him almost dying just going Super Saiyan is a fucking joke. Gohan went what, 7 years without seeing his dad? He could still go Super Saiyan 2 even if he wasn't as strong. The training then was minimal. There's only a 5 year difference between Super and Buu.

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>>388691084
If Arc sticks to the manga then no he wouldn't

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>Piccolo is literally SSS tier

Couldn't have asked for more, will he ever not be top tier in a DBZ fightanz?

>>388690867
>generic gi
>not the world tournament/saiyanman black/green uniform

>>388691239
Someone edit the "JAB JAB JAB" to "JOB JOB JOB"

>>388691275
>mfw the daily dose shell (Piccolo/Vegeta) has potential to be early top tier
Lock down ki blast assist crossup gimmicks are gonna be flying all over the place and I can't wait.

>>388689430
>some get assassinated (see: Chichi)

Chichi was never character assassinated. She had only one character trait, OVER-ZEALOUSNESS. She was obsessed with getting married with Goku after he touched her baby maker as a kid. She didn't seem that bad because she appeared very scarcely in Dragonball.

>>388691294
You know they'd pick that costume over the the other costumes. It's Ultimate Gohan, after all.

>>388690867
>>388691239
Are you the same anon who made these?

>>388691551
fuck. i'd even take the all black body suit than another gi

>>388691294
The black and green is garbage, the purple and orange is superior.

>>388691521
she was also this whimsical bizarre shelthered mountain loli who killed dinosaurs with laser beams and sperged out about love and all manner of shit she probably just read in books. so yeah, overzealous, but also the same kind of uneducated wildchild bullshit that kid goku had going on

>>388691652
The worst part is that Gohan has new moves in Super. Because that means his moveset will get expanded on or something down the line, probably in the sequel game. But they gave him the orange gi again instead of the purple one like Toyotaro did, so it'd be more of the same. DB has some many great looking outfits, man.

>>388691740
>purple and orange

You mean purple with blue sash?

>>388688953
>Singlehandedly mind you
LOL, Goku literally had to kill himself because cuckhan is retarded
also, Vegeta had to distract Cell

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>>388691931
He probably means pic related. It looked orange in some posters and manga colored pages. I like it, it's like a nod to both his mentors.

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>>388691740
nah man that shit POPPED.
but if we're getting ultimate/mystic then yeah he's getting the regular orange gi again.

>>388691878
dbfz ain't using stuff from the super manga right? shame, i would've liked to see vegeta alternating between ssg and ssb duing attacks. manga goku black can stay there though (even if i liked the idea of trying to make him a sort of "canon broly")

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>>388691931
No the purple with the orange sash

>>388692072
I've always preferred these shoes to the weighted ones Goku started wearing

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>Veggie assist + Big Green Machine is strong af
did they do it on purpose?

>>388692253
>nah man that shit POPPED.
I agree.

>dbfz ain't using stuff from the super manga right?
The story mode takes place during the Super era, and we know Goku/Vegeta Blue are in the game, so they'll probably dip their toe into well-established Super stuff for some characters, but the manga's most likely getting ignored. I expect a sequel title to dip even deeper into Super, so maybe that'll be when something from the manga makes its way over to DBF..

>>388692271
Same, they look comfy as fuck. Gohan had some pretty good fashion sense at least.

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>>388691551
I made those yes

>>388692253
>manga goku black can stay there though
I'd love to have his head slam and ki lasso.

>>388692409
Gohan's DP blows up whatever they'd be trying to set up though.

>>388688719
Hes dumb as fuck.

>>388692253
The only Manga Super content I could see coming is Merged Zamasu with the portal attacks.

>>388692581
Did you manage to draw anything else from the movies for Ultimate Gohan's moveset? It wouldn't hurt to dig into the Butoden titles for moves either, since ASW has been doing that this whole time. Just a solid way of rounding him out. I've also noticed they sometimes turn movement panels into straight-on attacks, which is weird but totally works. Also, I appreciate all the effort. These look pretty clean.

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>You're not a boy, you're a monster!

>>388692834
gohan's a dick

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>>388688652
>CAULIFLA GETS IN WITH CABBA ASSIST
>CABBA NOT PLAYABLE FOR HER

>>388692749
>Did you manage to draw anything else from the movies for Ultimate Gohan's moveset?
I didn't feel like watching Broly's second coming for more stuff

>the Butoden titles
Forgot about those

Why do people want so many "character with personal assist"? 18 already has that and they won't rehash it again for someone else.

>>388693152
A fleeting hope for a character they like getting in. It won't happen, this is unique to C18. It makes her a very good character and helps her get into the game, no way they'll do it again so soon.

MASTER LIST OF POTENTIAL CHARACTERS:

*Characters listed from their initial appearance, of course including later stuff.
*This only takes into account moveset quantity(including transformations and potential support stuff), not moveset uniqueness.
*Moveset source must be manga for DB/DBZ(primarily) and anime for OVA/Specials/Filler/Movies/GT/Super. Games are complementary only.
*Being able to fly(in some way) and fire ki blasts(this doesn't mean having a dedicated ki button) is a requirement until a character that doesn't have either or both gets in.
*Yeah, lots of Super characters have potential, but they must first show more moves.

DB:
-Kid Goku(flight with Nimbus)
-Yamcha
-Roshi(flight with Gamera)
-Tien
-King Piccolo
-Base Goku

DBZ:
-Raditz
-Kid Gohan
-Nappa
-Base Vegeta
-Dodoria
-Zarbon
-Ginyu
-Recoome
-19
-17
-Imperfect Cell
-Future Gohan
-Dabura
-Majin Vegeta
-Super Buu
-Gotenks
-Ultimate Gohan
-Vegito
-Kid Buu

TV Specials/OVAs:
-Bardock

Anime Filler:
-Pikkon

Movies:
-Turles
-Lord Slug
-Cooler
-Meta Cooler
-13
-Broly
-Bojack
-Janemba
-Gogeta

GT:
-Pan
-Kid Goku (GT)
-Rilldo
-Baby Vegeta
-Majuub
-SS4 Goku
-Super 17
-Nuova Shenron
-Omega Shenron

Super:
-Beerus
-Hit
-Black
-Merged Zamasu
-Bergamo(w/Basil&Lavender)

>>388693272
I've even seen suggestions of Goku Black with Zamasu as an assist, which is stupid. A better option would be to make them a stance switch character, with them sharing the same normals but with different specials. Sort of like how Nu worked in CP before Lambda came back in CPE.

>>388693608
I can see that pretty easily. I've seen the same stance character suggestion being made for the Ginyu Squad. It's a mess. I think the possibilities do keep the hype going, but I hope people don't get so invested that not something something they wanted ruins the game for them.

>>388688804
Mah man.

German player opts for air dashing instead of Super Dashing. And it really shows how it changes the game compared to 100% of all previous gameplay where the only method of closing in was Super Dashing, this way has cross ups and faster pressure.

He's on the right maining Piccolo, good gameplay but shit recording, be warned.

thoughts?
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>>388693998
KEK

>>388693998
>that crossup on 18 at 1:13
that was kinda dirty

>>388693823
I always see Ginyu Force with the "Captain Commando" gimmick that 18 already has. Like sure I'd love for it to show up here, but if they gave that idea to 18 then you're out of luck for them to show up. At least the Black/Zamasu stance change works because they're essentially supposed to be the same person, so them sharing the health bar and normals but with different specials is logical.

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>>388694162

Piccolo/Vegeta/Trunks

Rate my team /v/

>>388694630
Pretty good I'd say. I'm leaning Trunks/Piccolo/Cell, but I'm not sure of the synergy.

>>388693152
For now we're only getting Ginyu but his summons will be different from 17(pure mix-up):
-Guldo=time stop which stuns like tayoken
-Jeice=Crusher Ball which is a ball projectile
-Burter=Blue Hurricane which is a fast homing dashing attack
-Recoome=Eraser Gun which is a beam

and Ginyu will need his anime stuff as he had in Extreme Butoden

>>388693998
16 can j.h j.m c.m st.h into grab hell flash

>>388693998
This makes the game look way better honestly. It's a satisfying movement option. I can see Dragon Rush being super punishable and less utilized when the full game is out, so air dashing may be more common.

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>>388688995
Her owner will be in it, that's enough.

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DB x Fateshit crossover when?

>>388695684
this is a great post about videogames anon

>>388694992
just like it was in Super Sonic Warriors 2, which was also made by Arc Sys

>>388695419
I could actually see this be a thing for the sequel if they decide to split 18 and 17 and make them standalone characters.

>>388688494
Bardock is the best character but if I had to pick a second it'd be Broly or Vegeta

>>388696907
>Broly
What? I get his appeal but he's not really that much of a character.

>>388689038
>Not taking the FUCKING HEART MEDICINE.
It was a cure, not a vaccine. Had he taken it before he got symptoms it likely wouldn't have done anything at all.

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>>388688494
not when the master exists

>>388697034
>he's not really that much of a character.
From the 'villains' stand point he's more of a character than Vegeta, the Buus, and all the other movie villains.

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>tfw 18 is the only female

>>388697286
Not even. Villain Vegeta was still a much better villain than Broly. Broly's entire appeal is that he's the first evil super saiyan, a huge and imposing physique (which in DBZ is impressive), his actual physical design is cool, and is just a mad dog that fucking wrecks everyone. But personality wise he ain't shit.

>>388697034
He's pretty interesting since his base Sayain form is between SSJ1 and SSJ2 and it took the entire team of Z fighters to "stop" him. To boot it's interesting that Goku triggers literal PTSD to when his planet got exploded,when he got stabbed by King Vegeta, and when Goku wouldn't stop crying like a faggot bitch. Broly is like a force of nature more than an actual character and it's unique because no other DB characters were really like that.

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>>388688364
I want to eat their hair

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>>388697272
>Roshi finally getting to be in the show again
I'm so glad.

>>388697535
We need Launch and Videl dammit.

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>>388697535
>implying Caulifla and Kale won't get in

>>388697795
no we don't, get bullied in school waifufag

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>>388697759
>those guitar pick toenails

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>>388697824
when they get an original moveset, which is never for Kale

>>388697795
Videl is the only likely one but id rather not have the roster padded with joke characters.

>>388688652
>Private press event
>For fucking character reveals
>Like three weeks ago and noone's reported on it yet
Seems legit

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>>388697759
It was grand, heres hoping he can still lend some support before the end.

>>388697824
Fuck off retard.

>>388688494
Vegeta ripped off Piccolo's arc in a worse manner

>>388698020
Why didn't Goku seek out Jackie Chun for the tournament?

He's above Roshi's level.

>>388697584
>But personality wise he ain't shit
Just like Vegeta. Just like Broly Vegeta is just a strong Saiyan with importance that gets thrown into the plot. Vegeta's only goal was immortality and he was made the Saiyan prince for no special reason. Vegeta had nothing as a villain aside from a motive, he didn't even have a backstory until Namek which was when he turned into just an antagonist, not a villain.

Saiyan Saga Vegeta is just as bland as Turles. They both had no backstory, were super strong Saiyans, and wanted some sort of power as a goal. Broly at least had a backstory, had build up, while his reasoning for killing everybody was because he found it fun.

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>>388697535
Do you need anyone else?

Has it been confirmed whether or not Fighter will receive an arcade mode yet?

>>388697584
lets be real vegeta only turned into an interesting character during the majin saga and even then it sure as hell wasn't intentional.

>>388697584
>Villain Vegeta was still a much better villain than Broly. Broly's entire appeal is that he's the first evil super saiyan
Vegeta didn't even have appeal. He was literally just stronger than the last enemy because he just so happened to be the prince of all saiyans.
If DBZ branched off differently after Raditz, you could turn the saiyan saga into a spin-off movie and it would be just as retarded as Broly's movie. Literally Tree Of Might-lite with a different saiyan.

>>388688364


Vegeta might be my favorite character in Super.

Goku is too much of a knucklehead, Beers and Whis are good as a duo.

Everyone else is irrelevant.

>>388688364
>We're also getting another Gohan and Buu, Ultimate and Kid most likely

Gonna need a source on that friend

>>388698379
>you could turn the saiyan saga into a spin-off movie and it would be just as retarded as Broly's movie
all that and:
>less action
>Goku time: the movie
>more forced lore
Villain Vegeta was never good. He was simple, but he had no depth. Frieza, Cell, and Buu blow him out of the water.

>>388698359
The fuck are you smoking? He was interesting from the moment he was introduced.

>>388698241
>Hot to the point of being scalding
>Forever young
>Super Saiyan tier in strength
>Yet still not only in love with Krillin who's significantly weaker than her but thinks he's the coolest guy on Earth

You show me a universe where Krillin isn't the true victor of Dragonball and I'll show you hell

>>388698578
That's ridiculous. Vegeta's character was ruined the most in Super. He became a fucking teenage girl tsundere.

>>388698764
>He was interesting from the moment he was introduced.
He's as interesting as any character with spiky hair.

>>388698732
The dynamic between Vegeta and Nappa was interesting just because it highlights how much of an unworthy shithead Vegeta was. When Vegeta discovered that half-breeds like Gohan were way more powerful than full blooded Saiyans Nappa's first thought is that they can use the Earthlings to rebuild the Saiyan race stronger than it was before. Vegeta's first thought is to kill off all the Earthlings before Saiyan half-breeds could usurp his position as strongest Saiyan.

>>388698873
Namek Saga Vegeta > Majin Saga Vegeta > Buu Saga Vegeta > GT Vegeta > Saiyan Saga Vegeta > Cell Saga Vegeta > DBS Vegeta

prove me wrong

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>>388698801

>>388698908
Visually it was cool how fucking tiny he was. Like you don't expect that guy to be an arc boss

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>>388698801
Everyone but Goku did pretty well for themselves all things considered. Chi Chi used to be pretty cool but is just obnoxious from DBZ onward.

>>388699138
what's with her dead eyes

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this nigger can't ruin this game, based japs don't care about SJW shit either

>>388699254
She's fucking dead.

>>388699040
Too bad he had nothing interesting in a fighting sense. His fight with Goku is good because it's a decent length and it's consistent. However compared to any other arc villains his fighting style is super generic and the only thing he had was that he was always stronger than Goku.

>>388699138
I know I'm going to get like 5 greentexts posts for this but I think TFS's rendition of Chi-Chi does a good job explaining her character

>Now I know I'm books in and books out but that's because I want better for my son than living off of prize money and welfare

I take Chi-Chi's behavior in Z to be that she wants her kids to be well balanced people who can hold jobs instead of being like her fight monkey of a husband who runs off for weeks at a time leaving all of the house responsibilities to her. If she weren't so shrill she'd be sympathetic.

>>388698873
I feel this way too. Majin arc was a gift and a curse for Vegeta. Now that he worked his shit out he's lost all of his edge. Best thing he's done in Super was icing Ginyu without giving a single fuck.

>>388698908
>mysterious saiyans
>the small guy is in charge
>great backstory
He was easily one of the most interesting villains in their respective arcs and he just got better and better.

>>388698801
simply epic reddit

>>388699008
>saiyan and cell saga that low

>>388688730
>THANK YOU GOKU I WILL TAKE THIS BEAAN WITHOUT HESITATION

>>388699364
>she wants her kids to be well balanced people who can hold jobs instead of being like her fight monkey of a husband who runs off for weeks at a time leaving all of the house responsibilities to her
That's literally exactly her character, not just "your take" on her. The anime doesn't do her justice with filler and adds in more nagging, but she only nags because she cares. She watched the love of her life(fiance) get a hole shot through his shoulder in a deathmatch that took place in what was supposed to be a friendly tournament. Of course she doesn't want her children to grow up in a dangerous environment or be an idiot to the point where you think marriage is food.

Her personality may be jarring but it's completely justified.

>>388699383
I think you hit the nail on the head. During the saiyan saga he was just an evil shithead. During Namek he was just a guy desperately trying to get away from the guy yanking at his leash. During Cell he was off his leash for the first time in his adult life and just sort of went nuts. And during Buu he had a massive conflict between his old life and his new life. Now that we're in Super he's mostly accepted his life on Earth so there's nothing for him to do other than what he's been doing this whole time aka try to catch carrot cake.

>>388698873
imagine being this wrong

>>388699408
>mysterious saiyans
They were not mysterious. They were "strong than Raditz" and were coming to Earth for whatever reason(we know, but pretty sure z fighters didn't).
>the small guy is in charge
Was this one of the first times in DB? If so then I'll give you that.
>great backstory
He had no backstory until Namek and even if you take that into consideration it's still boring. He was away on a spaceship while his leader blew his planet up. That's not even generalizing it, that's literally what happens. There's no depth in his backstory, his character arcs have depth, not his backstory.

He wasn't as interesting as you're making it seem.

>>388699632
>muh character development
They went way too far with trying to show how much he changed. He is nothing like he was in Z. It's like he's pretending in front of others just for face.

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>>388699383
No, it was an insult.

>>388699570
Really of the wives 18 probably came out ahead since Krillin is as stable a husband as you can get. Vegeta runs off too but Bulma is so stupidly rich she doesn't need him for much. Gohan is stable too but he still has the Saiyaman problem so Videl doesn't show her face in public as much anymore.

>>388699770
Yikes

>>388699632
GT did Vegeta better than Super.
In Super, Vegeta is always shown in Goku's shadow and constantly bitchy whenever the Goku's power is brought up in comparison to his. Yet in the Buu saga Vegeta has an entire fucking speech dedicated to the fact that Goku is and always will be better than he is and he accepts that, which is exactly why GT Vegeta and GT Goku are friends instead of rivals.

>>388699770
>They were "strong than Raditz" and were coming to Earth for whatever reason(we know, but pretty sure z fighters didn't).

Piccolo brags to Raditz that they can just revive Goku with the dragon balls, then Raditz reveals the scouter transmitted the conversation to Nappa and Vegeta. Then when they finally arrive they try to kill everyone except Piccolo so he can tell them about the dragon balls, and only finally kill him when Vegeta reveals that he's from the planet Namek where they could likely find more dragon balls, which is what leads Krillin to come up with the idea to go to Namek to see if people like Chiaotzu who have died before can be revived again.

All of these conversations are heard by Z fighters, they always knew Vegeta and Nappa were coming for the dragon balls, they just didn't know the specific wish (immortality).

>>388699770
>Was this one of the first times in DB?

Pilaf was the first small guy in charge, but Vegeta was probably the first "small guy is actually powerful enough to be in charge".

>>388700106
>to see if people like Chiaotzu who have died before can be revived again.

Er, this part is wrong, they go to Namek because Piccolo died which means Kami died which means Earth lost its dragon balls, but still the rest is right. The motive of the Saiyans coming to Earth was always clear to both the reader/viewer and the protagonists.

>>388700070
I don't like Vegeta accepting that Goku is better, but I don't like him acting like a faggot about it like in Super.

>>388700217
It's not that, it's the fact that he comes paired with Nappa, who at first glance seems like the main villain, he's huge and monstrous. When it's pointed out that he listens to Vegeta you get that sense of mystery about the small guy being in charge. And the way he disposed of Nappa was a great start to his limelight.

>>388700070
>GT Vegeta and GT Goku are friends instead of rivals
Truly one of the things GT did better than Super.

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What is the best fight in DBZ and why is it 17 vs piccolo?

>>388700374
>Nappa, who at first glance seems like the main villain

This is kind of undercut by the first scene with Nappa and Vegeta in it. They're on some distant planet and Nappa says something like "wow with the dragon balls we can revive Raditz!" and Vegeta sets him straight. It was always clear to the viewer that Vegeta was in charge.

>>388700442
Goku vs Frieza obviously, last time Toriyama cared.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpjruq5pei0
I can't believe English fans got the original Japanese broadcast audio for all 291 episodes of DBZ and then mixed it with the best Dragon Box footage rips and also rearranged the episode segments to actually be in original broadcast order (next episode preview followed by end credits as opposed to the other way around).

In case you're wondering what the big deal about broadcast audio is, apparently Toei threw out all their magnetic audio master tapes for anime until the mid 90s. When doing home releases after this (they only did home releases for movies, not series back then, and the Dragon Ball series wasn't released until 2003 in Japan), they used inferior audio sources and it's extremely noticeable.

Sometimes I love being a Dragon Ball fan for stuff like this.

>>388700542
I was talking about when (I think) Piccolo pointed it out.

>>388700442
goku vs piccolo jr

>>388688494
He's not, but he and Piccolo have really great character development

>>388688652
>alt costumes
Well there's goes that

>>388700657
Yeah I know what you mean, that's the first time Piccolo and them realize Nappa isn't the main villain, but the viewer already knows that, so there's no mystery for us about the small guy being in charge.

>>388688730
People need to remember that the whole time Goku knew something we didn't, he saw Gohan turn SS2 in the Time Chamber

>>388700786
To be honest, I don't remember but I don't think it was ever explicit until that point. I don't think anything suggested that Vegeta was definitely in charge.

>>388700624
>they stopped making the level 1.1 sets
Why? They are the best that DBZ has ever and will ever look.

>>388690280
genetics

I never realized it until now but Piccolo's elbow cross-up in FighterZ is taken directly from the manga. I don't mean just the animaiton, but it was also implied to be a cross-up in the manga. One panel he's charging and the next he's magically behind him.

I think that's kinda cool.

>>388701221
which fight?

>>388698704
Genuine leaks from game site data. I believe the guy leaked #16 and #18.

>>388700946
It was costly for Funimation because they were remastering it themselves and the sales weren't good enough to keep going.

>>388688730
Married the worst female character in the history of fiction.

>>388700624
lordy lordy. time to rewatch the series

>>388701442

probably vs Cell or 17 if I had to guess

SOMEONE WILL DATAMINE THE BETA FOR THE ROSTER

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>>388700624
trunks has fucking weird hair

>>388700946
Because American fans want their DBZ cropped because black bars on the sides of their widescreen TV are horrible. The North American market was also pretty saturated.
>FUNimation's original home release on VHS and DVD from 1999-2003
>FUNimation's "Ultimate Uncut Edition" on DVD release from 2005-2006
>FUNimation's "Digitally Remastered" on DVD release from 2007-2009
>The North American Dragon Box release from 2009-2011
>The "Level" Blu-ray Disc sets in 2011
>The worse "Remastered" Blu-ray Disc sets from 2013-2014
>The various Dragon Ball Kai release on DVD and Blu-ray from 2010-2013 (not sure about "The Final Chapters")
Along with all the side Dragon Ball Z, Dragon Ball, and GT stuff.

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>>388701442
Piccolo vs 17.

He's in front of 17 on the page prior. He doesn't appear completely behind him, but that's the gist of the attack.

>>388701781
>>The worse "Remastered" Blu-ray Disc sets from 2013-2014
Why is it worse? I don't recall the "level" sets being blu-ray either.

>>388701752
I've always loved that phase between base and Super Saiyan for Trunks.

>>388701996
The Level sets were Blu-ray and was an entirely new 1080p remastering that was actually visually better than any release before or after. It was was also 4:3. FUNimation cancelled it after releasing like two volumes (though episodes from the following two volumes can be found). After that, they switched to the "Remastered" Blu-ray set that basically did what the DVD orange brick sets did and crop for a 16:9 image with selective panning/scanning and a different (and worse) kind of image remastering compared to the Level sets. American fans wanted the orange bricks.

>>388702493
>American fans wanted something that had no benefits and objectively worse
What's with dickheads like you making shit up? This was all on Funimation. It doesn't take a brain to see why. Fans loved the Level sets.

>>388702805
never mind I'm a dickhead, didn't realize it was in 4:3. Yea, I'd rather have 16:9.

>>388702805
FUNimation took a poll

>>388689493
Cell's regeneration is not on the level of Buu's. It still requires ki to perform, just like Piccolo's.

>>388702942
see >>388702928
I deserve a good paddlin for this one

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>>388702928
16:9 IS objectively worse in this case because the series was originally produced in 4:3. To get it in 16:9, you have to zoom in on the image and crop the top and bottom off. You may get a full screen view on a widescreen TV, but you're technically seeing less of the frame to do it. If there's any benefit, it's that you can see a teensy bit more horizontally, but it's not worth the loss of the upper and lower part of the screen.

>>388701936
To this day I'm still astounded by Toriyama's panel composition.

>>388702493
>>388702805
>>388702928
>>388702942
Now I'm confused and don't know who's who.

Why did Funimation stop making the level sets?

>>388703157
I'm aware of it and it is a bad problem but I just don't like the bars on the sides. Probably something you can get used to.

>>388689027
>Its because of how ArcSys animates everything by hand

GG was animated by hand??

>>388703394
What he means is that in DBFZ they manually light every frame of every animation so it retains the anime look at all times.

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>>388697535

>>388703278
I'm
>>388700624
>>388701781
>>388702493
>>388702942
>>388703157
FUNimation stopped making the Level sets because of what this guy >>388701497 said and that American fans were found to want something closer to the "Digitally Remastered" orange brick sets, which were cropped from 4:3 to 16:9. When a series is originally produced in 4:3, the only ways to make it 16:9 are stretching the image (which makes it look terrible) or cropping and zooming (which removes the top and bottom of the image).

Here are some things though.
>Dragon Ball, Dragon Ball Z, and Dragon Ball GT were produced in 4:3
>The original movies were produced in 4:3 but made for 16:9 screens
>Kai (pre The Final Chapters) were produced in 4:3 and released that way on Blu-ray, but aired in 16:9
>Everything Dragon Ball after is 16:9

>>388703394
>GG was animated by Acsys individually editing/shaping/resizing/shading each frame of each animation, and they use the same technique in DBFZ
yes lad

>>388700894
That doesn't mean he should force his son to fight full power Cell. Goku knew he couldn't beat Cell but he at least weakened him. He should have just let Gohan finish off a weakened Cell.

>>388700070
>Yet in the Buu saga Vegeta has an entire fucking speech dedicated to the fact that Goku is and always will be better than he is and he accepts that
You do realise that acceptance doesn't mean giving up right?
With that said you're interpreting that scene wrong.

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>>388702928
>you'd rather have cropping

Why? I don't have a Z screenshot right now, but pic related is from 16:9 Kai.

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>>388688652
>Videl
Please God yes. Now all that's left is Chichi.

>>388703941
I've had this exact argument with this autist before and he got btfo. He simply does not understand that Vegeta accepting that their difference in their quests for power made Goku the better fighter does not mean that he gave up on the prospect of being stronger than Goku or beating Goku. He either has a mental block in this regard or has chosen to delude himself for one reason or another.

>>388703882
That's basically Goku's character, for better or for worse.
>Spares Piccolo
>Spares Vegeta
>Was going to spare the Ginyu Force
>Was going to spare Freeza (and technically did)
>Stopped training for Cell because he wanted to see Gohan fight
>Stopped fighting Boo because he wanted Goten and Trunks to have a shot
Even in Super when he goes to Zen-o for the Tournament of Power despite being told by Beerus and Whis not to. Goku's primary interest in fighting and surpassing his limits. He doesn't fight to kill because that's one less strong opponent for him.

>>388703882
He was projecting his want to fight strong foes at their strongest onto his son. If the choice were left to Gohan, he would have made the less prideful decision to take advantage of a tired Cell.

>>388703941
If he accepted it then he wouldn't get pissy when Whis mentions he's behind Goku.
It's literally about Goku being #1 and him being #2. No one said he's going to stop training, but it's all but explicitly stated that he doesn't care about the petty rivalry they had anymore. If you think that post-Buu arc Vegeta should have the same Goku-rivalry as DBS Vegeta has with goku then you're interpreting the scene wrong.

>>388704171
>Vegeta accepting that their difference in their quests for power made Goku the better fighter does not mean that he gave up on the prospect of being stronger than Goku or beating Gok
No one ever implied this. Vegeta clearly doesn't care about the rivalry like he used to. He makes in obvious that he willingly accepts Goku is and always will be better. So him getting mad at Whis for pointing out he's one step behind is out of character.

>>388699254
She's always had those.

>>388700070
>which is exactly why GT Vegeta and GT Goku are friends instead of rivals.
What? No they aren't.
Vegeta still considered Goku his rival and treated him as such in what little interaction they had. Just look at the tournament part.

>>388704171
>I've had this exact argument with this autist before and he got btfo
You didn't btfo anybody, kek. In fact you're the one that got btfo'd. Vegeta states in the manga that he accepts Goku is better than him. DBS Vegeta clearly doesn't accept that.

By all means try and prove me wrong: that DBS Vegeta accepts his position behind Goku the same way Buu saga vegeta did pre-kanzenban.
It's not possible, but you can try.

>>388700070
GT vegeta was a side character fuck off

>>388704171
Fair enough then.

>>388704504
>look at the tournament part.
I don't remember GT having a tournament.

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>>388700070
>GT did Vegeta better than Super.
vegeta got fucking shafted in GT and made to look like a retard, literally.

>>388704607
>superfag likes shitty characterization
Not surprising.

>>388688652
I like how "private press events" are the go-to fake leak thing now, most people actually immediately realize that it's bullshit

>>388688494
I fucking love evil characters who turn good or characters that just legit redeem themselves. I liked Vegeta before he was truly a good person. Seeing him genuinely change and, even if it is in his own way, show he cares about his family and friends and even his new home planet, was great.

Hoping he keeps helping out and getting stronger. I know Goku will always be the one who goes further first, but I just like seeing everyone be useful.

>>388704708
>Scene ripped almost 1:1 from the Cooler movie means Super has good writing
wew

>>388704361
>He was projecting his want to fight strong foes at their strongest onto his son.

The juxtaposition between Goku and Vegeta in this regard is a pretty good one. Neither one of them wanted to be anything like the other. In the end it turns out Goku only cares about training and fighting stronger opponents, while Vegeta cares mostly about his family.

>>388704652
It wasn't very long but it's another reason why people hate it because it disregarded the helmet rule that was the entire reason why Gohan went with the glasses and scarf in the Buu saga.

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>>388700070
>GT did Vegeta better than Super.

This is actually true.

I was pretty annoyed when Super started and in the 2nd episode, Vegeta starts throwing a tantrum saying he admitted Goku was stronger, that he's not going to be left behind. It completely undoes one of his biggest moments in Z and retcons a large part of his character development.

>>388688652
>Yamcha free for beta players

>>388704708
>you take all on left i'll take all on right
>try not to break too much of their bones

>>388704171
>Vegeta accepting that their difference in their quests for power made Goku the better fighter does not mean that he gave up on the prospect of being stronger than Goku or beating Goku
Vegeta can still want to be stronger than Goku, but his speech directly contradicts how he acts when Goku is brought up as the better/stronger fighter.

>>388704598
Or, you know, you could go and read the manga again instead of relying on your flawed memories.

>>388704843
Knowing someone is better and wanting to strive to keep up with them, not being left behind, can be mutual feelings.

>>388704956
I did, and no where does it imply that Vegeta will get mad when Goku is mentioned to be ahead of him.
When Vegeta is smiling and saying "Kakarot is #1!" it shows that DBS Vegeta clearly isn't in the same mindset as Buu saga Vegeta.
Keep ignoring the manga though. I can't expect more from a Superfag.

>>388704432
Except Vegeta clearly does still care. The difference is that he now cares more like how Goku does rather than how he used to. He acknowledged a flaw within himself and changed. Because of that they now swap being the stronger of the two quite regularly.
>>388704598
>no u
You got bodied harder than Perfect Legend. Don't come at me acting like you didn't eat my shit.
All it boils down to is that you misinterpreted the scene and what Vegeta meant by what he said and now you're blaming Super for not following your misconception. Even in GT he still pursued being stronger than Goku despite not being prominent, which has more to do with Vegeta, or at least his personality, being absent for more than half of the 64 episodes.
>>388704903
Not really. He doesn't get mad about it. He seems flustered, which is natural when a teacher reprimands a student for falling behind, especially for not trying as hard. If he did not have a negative reaction to this situation then it would imply he doesn't care about being stronger than Goku anymore or even worse, he doesn't care about fighting in general anymore.

>>388704884
fucking kek

has there been any news on when they will send out beta keys?

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>>388700624
so that's why the nip audio always sounds bad

>>388704806
not really though

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>>388705078
It is a problem for Vegeta because that means he's still in the mindset of:
>MUH POWERLEVEL

>>388705097
>Keep ignoring the manga though
You realise that you're the only one doing that right? You're choosing to interpret it in a way that helps your argument despite it being inconsistent with the original intention.

>>388705312
So is Goku, my dude.

>>388705118
>Except Vegeta clearly does still care
That's the problem here. Vegeta obviously still wants to be strong, but the Buu saga makes it obvious that Vegeta doesn't hold the rivalry to the point where if he's not better than Goku then it's a problem; DBS Vegeta almost screams this out whenever their power is even remotely compared. The only time Vegeta felt proper in DBS was after he got beat by Hit where he has nothing to say to Goku aside from good luck.

>He doesn't get mad about it. He seems flustered, which is natural
As far as being "flustered" is concerned you can say this for almost every moment he gets compared to Goku. He's never actually "mad" just always agitated.

>>388705312
No, it means if there's a possible way he can stay as close to Goku as possible, he'll take it. Especially because he has family, friends, and a new home planet to protect.

He's prideful. He's not going to constantly say Goku is his better while sitting at home gourging on ice cream.

>>388688730
It's in Super but he kind of provoked the king of all to kickstart the universal tournament where the loser gets their universe deleted.

>>388688804
he said strongest human, not the only universe 7 character to be knocked out of the Tournament of Power thus far

>>388705582
The universes where gonna get deleted an anyways.
Goku basically saved an extra universe.

>>388705483
>DBS Vegeta almost screams this out whenever their power is even remotely compared.
You can't even point out one scene can you. Not to mention he's more concerned about his family than his rivalry to the point where he would have stepped out of the tournament of power.

If they do add an adult Gohan I hope it's the Great Saiyaman and nothing else.

>>388705582
That was probably his smartest move even though it was unintentional.

>>388705634
Not him but one of the annoying parts of nu-vegeta was when Bulma said something about Vegeta being better than Goku or something and he reacted like a cartoon character.

>>388700070
You can be friends AND rivals, you know
Example: Yu-Gi-Oh! has this in basically every series

>>388705334
>it being inconsistent with the original intention.
That's completely false. The intention was to throw away the stupid rivalry because of the simple fact that Goku was stronger than Vegeta and Vegeta could not compete against someone who was Buu-tier.
You're ignoring his speech and then spouting some bullshit like "b-but it doesn't mean Vegeta doesn't want to get stronger!" even though no one is even saying that.

The original intention was to have Vegeta accept their power difference and not worry about it as if it was the only purpose in his life, Super actively throws the speech away and you can edit it out of the manga and anime and his characterization would be exactly the same because of it.

>>388700442
But it's Kid Buu vs Goku SS3

>>388705483
Clearly it's not a problem or he would have been more upset when Whis got onto him about slacking. His goal is to be stronger in general and stronger than Goku but he's not going to get pissy if Goku is stronger than him for a while. It's a friendly rivalry where they both use each other as goals in order to both become stronger in general. There is no maliciousness from Vegeta like before his speech, where he even resorted to selling his soul to Babidi and massacring bystanders in order to be as strong/stronger and get a fight in order to prove his superiority.
>>388705721
>The intention was to throw away the stupid rivalry
And this is how we know you're misinterpreting his speech. You're blowing enough hot air to float a blimp.

>>388704708
You know Viz has the chapters put up for free on their website, right? Why use mangastream?

>>388705721
>The intention was to throw away the stupid rivalry because of the simple fact that Goku was stronger than Vegeta and Vegeta could not compete against someone who was Buu-tier.
This is exactly my point. That scene wasn't about abandoning the rivalry at all

>>388705459
Goku doesn't give a shit if someone is stronger than him. In fact, he wants others to be stronger than him so he can have a good fight. Look at how he reacts around Monoka.

Hell, his whole reason for abandoning his family for years to go train Uub is literally so he can have a fun fight.

>>388705490

You're not getting it. That whole moment at the end of Z, Vegeta is letting go of his obsession. That doesn't mean he can't want to improve or whatever. Just look at him in Super. They wrote him back into being an obsessed manlet because they just wanted an excuse to have him in the story more .

Even fucking Whis calls Vegeta out on this shit when he is training. Says something along the lines of "stop worrying about how strong Goku is, fag lol".

>>388705634
>You can't even point out one scene can you
Every time their power is ever compared and Vegeta is around. When Whis is training them during RoF and explains why Goku is ahead, as an example.

>>388705783
>His goal is to be stronger in general and stronger than Goku but he's not going to get pissy if Goku is stronger than him for a while
That completely goes against DBS.

>>388705613
>Future Trunks universe still exists in something like 15 years in the future
>Gowasu uses time ring to watch the savage race 1000 years in the future

So, Goku just pushed forward the erasure date by like 1000's of years I guess? Obviously he's absolved of any wrongdoing here.

SON DINDU NUFFIN HE A GOOD BOI JUST WANTED A GOOD FIGHT

>>388705312
I kind of liked Vegeta's character, too bad his character role will always be the guy who jobs to the main villain of the arc and wait for Goku to finish the job.
Heck, even when the RoF movie was supposed to be about Vegeta's revenge for the humiliation back on Namek, yet he technically lost against Frieza and Goku had to clean up the mess.

>>388705783
>And this is how we know you're misinterpreting his speech
Then what was the intention, dumbass?

I'd love to see the bullshit you pull form your ass with this one.

>>388688364
>FighterZ has better animation than Super

>>388705942
>>Future Trunks universe still exists in something like 15 years in the future
>>Gowasu uses time ring to watch the savage race 1000 years in the future
>thinking toriyama plans ahead enough to understand this
I'm pretty sure he forgot how the 2nd Zeno even came to be.

>>388705886
>When Whis is training them during RoF and explains why Goku is ahead, as an example.
You mean the scene where he's annoyed not because of the comparison to Goku but because of Whis picking up on his flaws so easily.

>>388705634
Bulma keeps telling kid Trunks to let Goku handle Zamasu and Black while Vegeta can hear nearby and almost screams at her to shut up, but gets interrupted

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>>388705686
>Great Saiyaman
Only if it's this one

>>388705686
What does Great Saiyaman have to do with Gohan?

>>388705802
I'm not saying he isn't harping on Goku being stronger. I'm saying he knows he is and he uses said acceptance to constantly push harder. He doesn't want Goku to widen the gap so far that he's left behind. That's how I see it at least.

>>388705802
>Goku doesn't give a shit if someone is stronger than him. In fact, he wants others to be stronger than him so he can have a good fight
>so he can have a good fight
I'm gonna call this one out, it's not only for a good fight. It's because that autistic fuck only gets stronger and advances in super when he fights someone stronger than himself.

>>388705802
>Goku doesn't give a shit if someone is stronger than him. In fact, he wants others to be stronger than him so he can have a good fight
Which is Vegeta's attitude as well as of Super, though his focus is more on Goku than Goku's is on him.
>>388705886
How can it go against DBS when DBS is doing the very thing I described? Did you typo or something because you certainly lost me here?
>>388705948
See >>388705118 and >>388705783
Try keeping up instead of wasting more of my time.

>>388706006
>because of Whis picking up on his flaws so easily.
That sounds like you're just looking at the scene from one angle and ignoring the other. He was directly compared to Goku and stated to be behind him, and he did not like it. Yet in the Buu saga he admits Goku is better than him and he couldn't even dream of touching someone like Buu and it didn't phase him.

The personalities don't add up.

>>388705942
>So, Goku just pushed forward the erasure date by like 1000's of years I guess?
No. Different timelines progress differently.

>>388706130
>and ignoring the other
You mean the side you've fabricated for the sake of your argument?

>>388706109
>n-no maliciousness
So his speech was only about not having ill feelings towards Goku?
You're fucking retarded. Super Vegeta's entire outlook on being behind Goku is the polar opposite from Buu saga Vegeta's speech.

But keep thinking you've 'won'.

Is Beers and Whis confirmed yet?

Gt Vegeta was cool. Calm collected and just living his life with his family, conpletely ignorant to Goku and his bull shit.
It was nice, and a real developement of character even if it's too boring for you autists.

>>388706285
>goku and vegeta get compared
>"vegeta was only mad because of his flaws! not because he was behind Goku!"
All you've done so far is ignore what Vegeta himself stated and twist moments in the story.

>>388706209
The only difference between the main timeline and Future Trunks' timeline is literally only relegated to events that happen on Earth. (At least until before Black arrives)

Meaning that everything that was happening on other planets should happen the way they should've. And that Zeno should've had the idea to erase all the weak universes already.

>>388706331
I don't think Whis will get in
But Beerus is certainly going to

>>388706293
Which is why Vegeta treats it more like a friendly rivalry in Super right?

Bills Dios de la destrucción when?

>>388706368
>Meaning that everything that was happening on other planets should happen the way they should've
No. The time rings skip ahead in time, meaning that in Universe 10 1000's years into the future did not have Zamasu and Gowasu there. They skipped 1000's years into the future without them existing because they themselves literally left it 1000 years ago.

butterfly effect means Zeno possibly decided not to nuke the universes because of this.

>>388706368
>And that Zeno should've had the idea to erase all the weak universes already.
Unless of course that idea came about when the second Zeno was brought into the main universe.

>>388706096
Just picture him with spiky blonde hair.

>>388706130
Being told he isn't doing good enough is enough for him to get upset, considering his prideful nature. Being so bluntly told his flaws is also enough for him to get upset.
Both of these are completely ignoring Goku and being compared to Goku. Being told he's weaker than Goku is salt on the wound as it stems from the previous two reasons for him being upset.
The fact that I have to break it down so much says a lot about you, anon.
>>388706293
>calls me the retard
>misinterprets what I said and even puts words in my mouth
You are not helping your case here. This just makes it look more like you misinterpreted his speech.
>I'll keep saying it until it's true
Am I perhaps banging my head against a brick wall? Because I certainly feel less intelligent arguing with you. Take your cement-thick delusion, and skull, and fuck off.

>>388706394
You mean why Vegeta gets pissy when Goku is mentioned to be ahead of him?

Keep ignoring that.

>>388688652
>farmer goku
Sold

>>388706515
Who Gohan? That's his super saiyan form

>>388706531
You mean why Vegeta isn't actually mad in that situation and acts nothing like any other time he is compared to Goku prior to the speech?

Keep ignoring that.

>>388695684
As someone watching DB, and never watched GT it just feels bizzare seeing Kid Goku turning super sayian.

>>388706531
>You mean why Vegeta gets pissy when Goku is mentioned to be ahead of him?
Which he doesn't in Super.

>>388697535
are you a sjw or waifufag?
wh othe fuck really cares, it's DBZ

>>388706465
??????

I'm saying that without Goku, the idea for the tournament wouldn't have happened. Which people are praising him for 'giving the universes a chance to survive'.

But at the same time also pushed forward the erasure date by possibly thousands of years. (Zeno being immortal and all)

>>388706490
>Unless of course that idea came about when the second Zeno was brought into the main universe.

Which Goku is responsible for. Meaning he is responsible for the universe erasure anyway.

>>388706663
>Which people are praising him for 'giving the universes a chance to survive'.
Yeah?
Tell me, is it better for the universes to be wiped out without anyone knowing or to give them a fighting chance?

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>>388706638
>Which he doesn't in Super.
wrong

>>388706596
You mean how it's stated Vegeta accepts that Goku is #1 whereas in Super he clearly doesn't?

Keep trying though.

>>388697535
Towa could get in, and even though it would make more sense to have Mira be the main fighter with Towa as support, they'd probably do the opposite just to have another girl on the roster

>>388688804
>Krillin
That's not Roshi

>>388706848
>manga
Use the one people are talking about you idiot. It's already well known that toyble can't write to save his life which is why everything is so inconsistent.

>>388706527
>Being told he isn't doing good enough is enough for him to get upset, considering his prideful nature. Being so bluntly told his flaws is also enough for him to get upset.
With the way you interpret this scenes even if all was said is "Goku is stronger than Vegeta" you would somehow make it seem like "Vegeta is angry that HE isn't powerful enough to do anything, he's not angry because Goku's better than him, but because HE HIMSELF isn't strong." you're the type to look for imaginary non-implied depth in the story.
Vegeta doesn't care about being 2nd to Goku as stated in the Buu saga, DBS Vegeta clearly does. You're too dense.

>>388707029
Because the anime is so consistent, right?

>>388707112
>DBS Vegeta clearly does.
Which is why your only argument is based on misinterpretations.

>>388707029
>everything is so inconsistent.
The manga is extremely consistent. The anime isn't even consistent on an episode to episode basis. Trunks was Cell/Buu tier when he was first introduced and then is God/Blue tier a few episodes later and he didn't even train or get a zenkai.

You must be one of those /a/fags that praise the anime and only heard "healing power" memes. The manga is consistent, the anime is only consistent on having laughable animation.

also:
>ignoring evidence on a platform that Toriyama works more on
wew

>>388707151
Far, far more than the manga.
Toyble doesn't even know how he wants blue to work let alone the characters.

So who do you think the boss character is going to be?

>>388688652
>game is still in development and coming out in february
>we're supposed to believe that in that time 20+ characters will be fully developed and 4 alternate costumes will be made (if you know how arc sys does the graphics for xrd and this game then you'll know how stupid this is)

>>388705717
>like a cartoon character
>like
>like

>>388707180
You don't actually have an argument. Your current implication is:
>DBS Vegeta is the canon Vegeta and the speech doesn't imply what it implied, it just showcased it wrong
The speech directly shows us Vegeta doesn't care, but go ahead and ignore that because the "new canon" shows that Vegeta does care. It's an obvious retcon and you're acting like a moviekiddy and tyring to fit it into the main story somehow.
GT kept Vegeta the same, Super did not. End of discussion.

>>388707029
>which is why everything is so inconsistent.
We're talking about the manga, not the anime you tard.

>>388707234
>ignoring evidence on a platform that Toriyama works more on
Not him but Toriyama only cleans up the art. He's outright stated that he leaves the story completely down to Toyo.

>>388697535
I hope we get at least a few.

>>388707268
>Far, far more than the manga.
kek, this is what toeicucks believe

>>388697824
God I want her to bully me.

>>388707420
>The speech directly shows us Vegeta doesn't care
Uh no. Once again you're interpreting it the way you want rather than what is.
There is not a single part of that speech that indicates Vegeta doesn't care about their rivalry

>>388706848
>wrong
He doesn't. "Irritated" is a more fitting description and even then that's an overstatement.
>durr people can't change over time
>durr feelings or sentiments at a certain point are permanent
Him feeling that way during that fight does not mean he can't pursue being stronger than him later. This panel from the DBS Super manga contradicts nothing. Feeling frustration from thinking you're even with someone, which is your goal, and then finding out you're completely behind is natural for anyone with any form of pride.
I would tell you to keep trying but I know you will anyways since you have autism.
>>388707029
I'm certainly talking about the Super manga and it's certainly hundreds of times better than what the monkey crew at Toei is doing with the anime.
>>388707112
>you're the type to look for imaginary non-implied depth in the story
Except for the fact that it is present within the writing. If it weren't there I would have no reason to think such things. Vegeta has shown that his focus is less on showing superiority over Goku by putting him down but by bringing himself higher, aka the same mentality he admitted as the reason Goku was completely superior during the Buu Saga. He didn't care about 2nd at the time because he had finally realized why it was the case. He goes out of his way to rectify this afterwards, hence his success at keeping up with, and in some cases even surpassing, Goku and his frustration when he got scolded by Whis and realized Goku was a step ahead when they were fused. My case is only made stronger when it is shown that Vegeta does not dwell on these things and instead pushes ahead, as seen with him training with Whis and showing that he had mastered SSJB like Goku had against Zamasu in the time since.

>>388707268
Wew

>>388707481
>We're talking about the manga
Up until that anon or you, it doesn't really matter in the end, posted the manga panel we were talking about the anime and it's pretty clear we are because a lot of these things don't happen in the manga.

You people realize Goku and Vegeta are flanderized as hell in Super, right?

>>388707268
>Far, far more than the manga.
Oh so you're a troll? Makes sense as to why you defend super so much even though you're clearly wrong.

>>388707808
That word doesn't mean what you think it does.

>>388707808
>N-no they're not! The ~obvious~ character implications in Z made Goku an idiot and Vegeta only cared about his rivalry with Goku. Even though they're are moments which contradict that they don't count because in my mind I stretch their meaning and twist words in order to make my argument sound!
>you just got btfo'd, hahahaha1!!

>>388701781
>FUNimation's original home release
Do these even exist on the internet? I've been looking around and the best I could find were TV rips of aired episodes in questionable quality.

>>388701781
>>388700946
>>388700624
>>388701497
>>388703702
>we'll never get a good 4:3 blu ray release with well done color correction and done DNR/grain removal without full retard with it like the orange bricks did

it hurts

>>388707824
So are you going to actually say something relevant or are you just going to keep on samefagging.

>>388707420
More like you have no argument. You just shoot down any actual arguments you get by stating they're wrong with no explanation or even just ad hominem with nothing else. Once again, you've been btfo. I'm going to have to start keeping score.

>>388707268
>Trunks can't fight Black even in base form
>SSR Black kicks the shit out of SSB Vegeta
>Suddenly Trunk can fight SSR Black
Really consistent yeah

>>388707808
>You people realize Goku and Vegeta are flanderized as hell in Super, right?

No.

>>388707858
It does, because I feel the exact same way and I've seen plenty of people say the same thing.

>>388707808
Maybe the anime but the manga is pretty much as spot on as it can get.

>>388707891
No clue, I've never looked for them. I have a couple of VHS tapes from when I was a kid though. Their original home release is basically identical to the TV airing from what I heard.

>>388707924
>You just shoot down any actual arguments
You don't have an argument. Like I stated your only argument is that Vegeta's Buu saga speech should be interpreted how (You) interpreted it. Vegeta's speech contradicts how he acts in DBS, yet you try to change it's meaning to make it seem like it's always meant what Vegeta in DBS acts like.

>Once again, you've been btfo
>anyone who argues against my failure of an opinion is the same person
That's cute.
>I'm going to have to start keeping score.
Going by the fact that you seemingly have done this before, it's 0-2, and not in your favor.

>>388707858
>Goku is naive and not very knowledgable in DB and Z
>in Super Goku has legitimate mental retardation and can't even understand something literally being spelled out for him
>Vegeta in DBZ is cocky and constantly striving to be stronger than Goku
>Vegeta in Super believes he is 100% superior to Goku even though there is a clear power gap and Goku is constantly leagues ahead of him and any mention that Goku is better than him triggers his manlet rage

>>388708008
>but the manga is pretty much as spot on as it can get.
>made Vegeta as retarded as Goku
>reduced to power level based progression
>continously demolishes Goku's own character by making him more and more uncaring towards his family to the point where Toyble had to write in that he missed Gohan's birth
No.

>>388708147

This is mostly due to people being exposed to Goku's japanese characterization. He's almost always been a retard who has put the world in danger because of his fight boner.

>>388708147
Honestly I don't agree for on this for goku but do for vegeta.
The dub did an excellent job at dumbing goku (though it still bleeds through) and most of the audience here has that goku in mind more.

>>388707924
>You just shoot down any actual arguments
You haven't had a single sound argument yet.

Vegeta's speech contradicts Super. If the Kanzenban never got edited at the end then you would literally be the only fan who thinks Vegeta still had a Goku rivalry after the Buu saga. There's no implication that he even cares about it until the Kanzenban/Super retcons.

>>388708309
>dumbing goku
ment undumbing

>>388708264
>He's almost always been a retard
Go read the manga, kid Goku isn't smart, but adult Goku isn't as stupid as Super Goku.

>>388708147
>>Vegeta in Super believes he is 100% superior to Goku

He always has and always will, regardless of Goku's actual strength.

>any mention that Goku is better than him triggers his manlet rage
Vegeta is seen raging out about their differences in strength as late as the Buu saga.

>>388708327
>There's no implication that he even cares about it until the Kanzenban/Super retcons.
This. DBS Vegeta doesn't match his Buu saga speech.

What even is the argument at hand here? That it does match it or that it's not canon anymore? It doesn't match the speech, that's obvious.

>>388708390
>Go read the manga, kid Goku isn't smart, but adult Goku isn't as stupid as Super Goku.

Outside of fighting, what are some moments when DBZ Goku shows better judgement than Super Goku?

>>388708447
>He always has and always will, regardless of Goku's actual strength.
>during the fight with Kid Buu Vegeta admits that Goku is far superior to him
Yeah okay

WHEN IS THE BETA BOYZ? I FORGOT!

>>388708468
>What even is the argument at hand here?
No idea what it really is, but the guy is arguing that the speech doesn't go against the Buu saga because since Super is canon it means the buu saga speech should naturally fit into his character.

It's very much like trying to fit movies into the main timeline.

>>388708327
>If the Kanzenban never got edited at the end
The kanzenban ending is literally irrelevant because it doesn't affect the speech in question.
The speech itself still doesn't have any implication of abandoning their rivalry.

>>388699008
i would put saiyan saga above buu and GT

>>388708531
>still arguing with retards
topkek

>>388708531
>regardless of Goku's actual strength

>>388699008
>GT
>above anything