What makes for good horror in vidya?

that was a good short film op
too bad the website basically revealed nothing last time i checked

you know that part in bloodborne where there's an enemy chained up high somewhere causing your frenzy meter to shoot up and you don't know where he is and you start freaking it out

stuff like that

they need to sound scary too

like how the regenerators in RE4 made that terrifying noise even before you saw that them

they don't necessarily need to make scary sounds before you hear them but when you do hear them it should fill you with dread

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>>388682751
Ao Oni kinda did the 2D/3D thing and it works well in my humble opinion

>>388682751
I have no idea what this video was about, it's more confusing than creepy or scary.

>>388682751

I want a game where you're walking in a big house with no music. And you start to notice little things that look out of place, like maybe a chair has moved or something

What I'd like to see is a horror game set entirely somewhere well-lit, like an office

>>388684134
Good in theory, but banks on the players having good observational ability

>>388684073
It's a weird critique of excessive and unnecessary American drug commercials. The allergy meds were a stand in for those drugs that are supposed to make antidepressants more effective but list suicide as a possible side effect. The doppleganger of the main character represents her addition to these drugs, and how they're taking over her life.

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>>388684134
The closest thing to that that I can think of is Anatomy, but from what I remember the spookies in that game are not really what you described.
Your post reminded me of when I played Gone Home. I thought it was gonna be a horror game and pic was me when I got to the end.

>>388682751
unpredictability and situations that the player must solve using the tools at their disposal. some form of resource management to keep an element of hesitation into encounters as well as a reason to fear death

which very few fucking horror games have done

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>>388684869
>those drugs that are supposed to make antidepressants more effective but list suicide as a possible side effect
are you fucking kidding me

Alien: Isolation would have been the perfect horror game were it not for the fact that the alien is tethered to the player's location and pops out every 2 fucking minutes to force you to hide or otherwise game the AI into dicking around rather than actually responding to it as a threat. This is amplified by the fact that the Alien is invincible even in situations when it logically would not be, and eventually the AI gives up any pretense of fairness after being gamed and automatically heads straight to your location to kill you no matter what.

Horror games should stop overusing "suspense" or "shock" soundtrack.

90% of the game should be quiet to instill fear.

>>388684869
>drugs that are supposed to make antidepressants more effective but list suicide as a possible side effect.
That's pretty funny.
Thanks for explaining Anon.

>>388685117
https://www.abilify.com/abilify-for-depression.aspx

>>388685117
Watch American TV sometime. The drugs they advertise are fucking incredible.

>>388682751
what makes for good horror in games is jump scares in VR.

that's it. making you not expect them and making you stay glued to them despite your fear is the challenge

shit that isn't jump scares really isn't ever scary. sorry to disappoint you with the truth. VR is the only bastion for horro/fear gaming becuase VR has the power to make us feel actually afraid, which 2d games simply don't.

>>388685259
>quiet
The only thing you should hear is your surroundings and the ambient.

There's nothing more spooky than going out in the woods while nature is dead silent.

>>388685529
>Watch American TV sometime. The drugs they advertise are fucking incredible.

as if these same drugs are not available in every first world country?

>>388685760
Are they advertised on TV though? I always see europoors being unable to fathom that things like that are allowed to be shilled on TV.

Here is what I've always wanted to see: a game where you can play as tons of characters, because if you die with one, that's it, you can't play as them anymore. And when you go through the area as another character, you see your former dead body.

This would really hammer home the permanence of death while still letting you replay areas and try again. What often scares me is how quickly and suddenly death comes. If, for instance, they fall on a spike trap or something early on, then that's it, the adventure for them is over....

What's that one game that comes up from time to time. People like to cite it as the best atmospheric game.

It's an old game. Small map. Takes place in a creepy town?

>>388685697
thats what he was saying

>>388685921
Pathalogic

>>388685921
sounds like pathologic but its yet another case of /v/ latching onto a thing and pretending it's great when really it's not

pathlogic's remake will finally approach "playable" for the last time, no sorry I cannot get into an atmosphere where the voice actors are worse voice actors than I am.

>>388685760
Sorry but only Americans have the balls to advertise BOTOX, a literal neurotoxin, as a cure for the common headache.

>>388685259
I have to admit that in Until Dawn standing still just before a jumpscare so that the "spooky pre-jumpscare sound!" never ends is hilarious.

>>388686112
>a literal

lots of things in medicine are not "nice" things, they still work for medicinal purposes when used effectively, this is a non-criticism and pointless blathering coming from someone who doesn't understand anything about medical science

I dont get why more games dont try the early 3D aesthetic, of games like worlds.com or that windows screensaver maze or stuff like that. It seems ripe for more exploration.

>>388685903
Aren't there some zombie survival horror games that do that? I think that there were at least 2 right?

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>>388685760
>Watch American TV sometime

There's the REAL horror!

>>388684887
>expect something horrendous and disturbing in the attic
>got a fucking "lol I'm eloping with my gf kthxbai" instead

I've never been so disappointed in my life

>>388683759
???

>>388686346
we havent hit that phase in the retro-game circlejerk yet

>>388685117
One of the main theories is that anti-depressants as a single treatment modality gives the person enough motivation to attempt suicide but not change the type of thinking that makes them want to take their own life.

>>388685874
Most countries don't allow direct advertising of pharmaceuticals to consumers. Americans consume the most prescription drugs, as well. Despite popular opinion, drug marketing and advertising in the US is heavily regulated. The reason they list all those scary side effects is because it's required by FDA.

>>388686620
yes we have, that new game is that aesthetic

the one thats pretending to be a quake like but the visuals are nowhere near quake

>>388682751
Horror is honestly subjective, after all people are scared because of many different things. Some fear bugs, other the darkness, then some fears "nothingness."

>>388685259
Depends on the emotion the devs are trying to invoke. The silent hill series would have a lot less stressful without the jarring industrial music in the nightmare areas.

>>388685117
Mini-redpill: A surprising amount of school shooters were on anti-depressants.

>>388686112

Just dropping in to tell you that you're stupid. As an actual dentist botox is a highly effective, proven treatment for TMJ disorders. Bruxism usually causes intense headaches/migraines and relaxing the face and jaw muscles alleviates that strain. I've seen people go to neurologists who couldn't figure out wtf was wrong, and just a 30 minute visit for botox gives relief in just a few nights.

>>388684134
Eternal Darkness is somewhat like that with the sanity effects. Even though there's music playing it's very subtle.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CeoLK0hybs.

>>388686918
A surprising amount of everyone in the US is on anti-depressants.

Petscop is creepy as balls. Just watched the play through yesterday and it made me very uncomfortable

I think that any good horror game needs strong consequences for the players' actions. Too many games just do something spooky or give players very obvious HIDE NOW moments.
The problem is that there's no tension. You're not hiding from the creature out of fear, you're hiding because the game told you to hide.

>>388685249
Even when the Alien is distracted by other targets, it'll still put you on maximum priority if you even try to sprint past the chaos, or really make any noises at all.

>>388685903
I think a horror game with some rogue-lite elements could be very successful. It allows for more severe outcomes from player choice.

For instance, say you're in some spooky undersea laboratory. You COULD shoot the zombie/seamonster/thing, but if you miss, you could blow a hole in the wall and drown from the water rushing in. That makes for organic tension that today's horror games lack.

>>388687081
no it isnt and no it didnt

>>388687017
How do Antidepressants work? I'm not really depressed at all but I have tons of trouble getting motivated to do shit like play vidya.

a lot of people fear becoming physically disabled, blind, deaf, etc. weird how games dont really take advantage of that

>>388687017
Upwards of 80 percent of shooters were on them.

Jumpscares startle you. Trying to predict the jumpscare or the idea of a jumpscare coming makes you afraid of getting startled.

But that is not terror. It isn't fear, not really.

I think that the only true fear comes from repulsion, aversion. So OP is right. What people should aim for is for making people feel creeped out. Make monsters, objects and environments that people don't want to look at.

Quit with the "bloody corpse", "blood on the walls", "dismembered bodies". Maybe that could scare people 50 years ago, but people are desensitized to this kind of crap now. Make creepy shit.

Make a scare atmosphere.

Also, while we are at it: Stop with the "the musiic goes louder/more intense" or "music stops completely" just before the "scary part". That is fucking stupid. Don't give people warnings. Stop telling people when they should be scared. Music like that is the "audience laughs" of horror.

>>388686619
It's a screenshot of another short film made by the same guy who made the one in OP's pic.

Make a game with a similar premise like It Follows. The first 30 or so minutes were creepy as fuck, for me at least. It's a shame that the movie completely shits itself in the last hour.

>>388687253

I agree so hard. Im getting tired of the "teasing for jumpscare" thing. Even if a game had very few jumpscares, its an annoying atmosphere when the game constantly makes you think they are coming - eventually you get used to the fakeouts and the tension is zero and it gets repetitive. building the scares around surprises is what ruins the atmosphere even if there are very few jumpscares. I want to feel repulsed and like I just totally want to look away.

>>388687419
wasnt even remotely scary, honestly the worst and dumbest horror movie i have ever seen

omg someone is following you so scares!!!!!!

>>388687216
The vast majority of anti-depressants are selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors. Serotonin is a neurotransmitter that seems to be involved with feelings of happiness among other things. SSRIs reduce the amount of serotonin reabsorbed by the presynaptic neuron, increasing the extracellular level of the neurotransmitter.

The reason SSRIs are so widely prescribed is that besides the widely publicized suicides most of their side effects are fairly mild. Even if a person is only mildly depressed, the risk of starting them on an SSRI is relatively low.

>>388687220
Day of the Triffids game when? I've always liked the idea of a game where you're blind, but as you hear things they begin to come into view as you figure out what they are by touching. Like, Mirror's Edge style, but the screen is black but your hands until you touch a wall then the small section becomes visible. Water dripping in the distance gives you a new waypoint to move to. A non-blind character may even lead you around by voice. Could be really fun.

>>388682751

any games with surgeries or torture?

>>388687216
They don't make you motivated. They affect the neurochemistry that makes depressed people unable to feel happiness. Antidepressants rarely fix shit by themselves; most people need therapy too.

Also, I should add that normal healthy people get do experience depression in response to things like loss of a loved one. The difference between them and those that need antidepressants is that healthy people don't stay depressed forever.

>>388687228
I think this speaks to the laziness of psychiatrists than anything wrong with antidepressants. Some psychiatrists are the shittiest doctors I've ever seen.

Fucked up imagery goes a long way. Check out The Cat Lady

>>388687228
Might be confirmation bias. School shooters tend to have a history of mental illness, and people who suffer from depression, or anxiety disorders tend to be prescribed an anti-depressant.

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>>388685921
Pathologic isn't a horror game, but people keep pitching it as one for some reason.
It's more weird and surreal than scary.

And it's more of a VN than a game, at least in my opinion.

>>388687743
I'm sure you're the one who does all the following.

>>388687204
Prove it g00ber

>>388686923
That's why I wrote that the stupid part is that it's advertised "for the common headache".
That's retarded.

>>388688074
The most dull game of all time, which you only know of because e-celebs played it.

Kill yourself.

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>>388682751
Realistic graphics ruin horror games, early 3d is better because it lets your mind fill in the gaps.

>>388688282
nigger I have no clue what e-celebs do, I bought the game back in 2014

>>388688274
https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/drugsatfda_docs/label/2011/103000s5232lbl.pdf

It's not approved or advertised for the "common headache." If you can't understand the difference between chronic migraines and the occasional headache you're in no position to be labeling things as stupid.

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>>388688150
>How did Mcdonald's end up like this?
every
time

Devil May Cry 4 has exactly one jumpscare and it is fantastic.

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>>388682751
I feel horror is the hardest genre to do right. I'll share some aspects of the Silent Hill series I particularly enjoy.
The radio. It alerts you enemies are nearby, but you can't necessarily see them. I feel it's good at increasing tension.
SH 3's mirror room. You eventually realize something is wrong but by that point you're trapped; the door is locked. Eventually it lets you out, but not before letting you stew in your panic for a bit. Stay too long and you die.
SH 4's apartment. It is distinctly different from the rest of the game, and particularly silent. It starts off as a safe place, and you get used to it being safe. Then it pulls the rug out from under you and objects start becoming possessed. Unfortunately these possessions start to become more of a chore as the game drags on but it's still neat in concept.

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>>388687946

>>388687918
Quake 4. Stroggification scene.

>enemies in horror should be really weird, ugly, grotesque, creepy or unnerving

They don't HAVE to look horrible for the game to be frightening. It's all about atmosphere.

When I was playing through Stalker SOC for the first time, as well as my first playthrough of any stalker ever, I was unnerved as fuck going through an abandoned sewer/building. Shit was flying around, things were moving, it was dark, I had no idea what was going on. And you know what actually happened?

Nothing really. I walked around, nothing came out and attacked me. Nothing jumped out from the shadows. I was fine until 1 enemy at the end standing at the end of a hallway. It's all about unnerving you. It's about the unknown. If we see a monster, what do we think's gonna happen? 'It'll come at us and attack'. If we see nothing and hear everything, what's going to happen? Who fucking knows? That's terror.

>>388682751
what does unedited footage of a bear have to do with horror? it's just a bear

>>388682751
Spooks have to be random.

Make a bigass pool of potential spooks that can happen and then randomize when or where they happen. That way even on multiple playthroughs you can still get caught off guard because not everything is hard scripted to show up all the same.

Underhell does this with the spooks in the house hub area and that shit gets me every time. Some things are always scripted to occur, but most are pure random if or when they happen at all.

>>388690125
Bears are scary, they invoke the primal fear of being prey.

>>388687918
Wofenstien TNO had the brain machine cutscene.

>>388685903
Zombi/ZombiU is what you're looking for.

>>388687216
you dont need antidepressants, you need discipline

>>388687174
What kind of strong consequences do you suggest?

>>388689631
this is seriously the ONE thing that keeps me from trying silent hill. it is so successful in freaking me the fuck out, i don't understand the appeal of being scared

>>388690081
>I was fine until 1 enemy at the end standing at the end of a hallway
and what an experience that was, jesus christ

Oppressive atmosphere. Feelings of powerlessness. The dread of knowing that shit WILL go down soon.

>>388691791
>i don't understand the appeal of being scared
Adrenaline.

>>388684134
I think you literally just described the entire premise of PT but replace big house with one hallway. (too bad you can't play it anymore)

>>388690125
>I'm pretending to be retarded

>>388682751
Cutting off senses slowly and bringing them back randomly in a fully lit room. You can hear but you can't see shit, etc.

>>388684134
kinda
https://mikeinel.deviantart.com/art/Which-Short-Game-152503626

>>388682751
atmosphere

just create a general aura of ill-ease

maybe something in the sfx. if you think youre alone, have a little trigger every so often that you hear footsteps off in the distance.

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>>388682751
I just played through RE4 for the first time, and I thought that the scariest parts of the game were when it took advantage of it's own mechanics (primarily talking slow movement) this scene here is probably the best moment I can think of. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVjc7CDoCps&t=30s
Sorry for shit quality vid.

On that note, /v/ likes to jerk off to the thought of the regenerators and how they're the scariest enemies in the game and to which I would say you're spot on. With the noises they make, design etc. But in gameplay I think they're fucking laughable with the exception of the first one you see and not being equipped with the thermal scope. Once you have it they're just sort of pathetic. I think Dr Salvador is the scariest enemy just because he has the threat of an insta kill under his belt, and you really need to think on your feet when he appears. but thats my onion.
tl;dr scares should come from a balance of gameplay and conventional spookiness RE4 chainsaw enemies as example

>>388682751
>good horror in vidya?
You want to know the real answer to this OP. Fact of the matter is that 'good horror' is simply not obtainable in a fashion like good platforming mechanics.

Fear is subjective. Qualities one person might find scary might be utterly dull to another. An example is the question of what's scarier; fixed camera angles or a first-person view? I love Silent Hill, and I think it has one of the greatest atmosphere in all of gaming, but at no point have I ever felt unneased or scared at the game.

>>388691791
To be completely honest, I am similar. I get way too wrapped up in it if I get into them even a little. I watched my brother play through them all. He was the one that owned them after all. I actually get anxiety from relatively mundane shit on television, although for some reason being in a theater is tolerable. Maybe it's because I'm not alone.

>>388684134
>>388684887
What happens to a house when it is left alone? When it becomes worn and aged? When its paint peels and its foundation begins to sink?
It goes for too long unlived in. What does it think of? What does it dream? How does it regard those creatures that built it? Brought it into existence only to abandon it when its usefulness no longer satisfies them.
They grow lonesome. They stare for long hours into the darkness of their own empty halls and see shadows. And in its head it may jump as it thinks... "Here, here is someone, I am not alone!".
And each time it is wrong. And the hurt starts over.
It may haunt itself. Inventing ghosts to walk its floors, making friends with its shadow puppets; laughing and whispering to itself at the end of some quiet cull-de-sac.
It may grow angry. Its basement might fill with churning acid like an empty stomach. And its gorge may rise as it asks itself through clenched teeth, "What did I do wrong?".
It may grow bitter. It may grow hungry. So hungry and so bitter that its scribbles dissolve and doors unlock themselves. While a house may hunger, it cannot starve. And so in fever and anger and loneliness, it may simply lie in wait. Doors open, shades drawn, hallways empty; hungry.

Every house is haunted.

here's a list of things that make games scary. mind you, these wouldn't all work in the same game. just common tropes that i find good

>lack of resources/weapons
>be helpless or weak compared to enemies
>4th wall breaks
>something unstoppable chasing you
>uncanny valley
>well-placed, occasional jumpscares
>no music or long periods with no music
>build tension slowly, gradually rather than jumping straight to the scary stuff

>>388682751
the best "horror" is in games like dayz where you're vulnerable and actually have stuff to lose

>>388692249
That'd be boring and I'd be pissed that I paid for something with nothing to it.

>>388692634
RE4 is too much an action game. Leon is too competent a character to make things feel really threatening. There are some exceptions.

I feel like RE7 was a step in the right direction.

>>388691982
>tfw my brother-in-law has PT still on his PS4
What could have been. It's truly a shame.

>>388687946
>tfw no radiohead horror game

>>388683061
no, bc we didn't play that stupid game

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>>388682751
I always liked how forbidden siren used the digitized faces as a way to make everything fucking creepy.

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>>388692249
>maybe something in the sfx.
this is why STALKER fucks with me so much. The random howling of dogs and creatures in the distance constantly puts me on edge because sometimes i can't fucking tell if its part of the ambience or if there really is something close by

>mfw hearing the bloodsucker for the first time in Agroprom

>>388688334
Do you like Silent Hill?

>>388686684
Fears may differ from person to person in some ways, but most humans share basic biological structures that configure instinctual fear responses, for example there's a reason for why people tend to find games like, say, Silent Hill, scarier than games like Super Mario or Legend of Zelda, or why we are scared of big animal predators rushing at us but we don't fear a little fuzzy rabbit

one time in one of these threads i described my idea for a game, and somebody told me that it already exists. who remembers the name of the game?

my idea was

>be a blind person
>some kind of stalker/monster
>have to push a button to tap your cane on surfaces
>get a brief visual image when you do
>good opportunity for jumpscares because the monster/stalker could be right in front of you without you knowing

>>388692856
>uncanny valley
Really all that needs to be said.

The only actually scary horror game I ever played was fatal frame. It did a great job building tension, that's what horror should be about not something popping out at you.

>>388693189
yeah, agreed. that game still looks really creepy to this day

is blood curse good?

>>388693276
>we don't fear a little fuzzy rabbit
Speak for yourself
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgj3nZWtOfA
>>388693302
Perception is the game you are looking for.

you know what would be scary in a game lol if you had to have a long conversation with a girl haha

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>>388693189
Is this like one of those cropped RE gifs were the character is getting fucked? I know Siren has a lot of tedious bullshit but it can pay off.

>that level where you're playing a person that was turned into a shibito
>when the BASED old man with a rifle kills himself to prevent turning into one only to come back anyway

>>388693102
dead space was a good step in the re formula having horror elements while still being action-y
re7 was just banking on shit like outlast being popular at the time it was made

Speaking of horror vidya, does anyone know if Detention is good? I have enough steambux to get it

>>388693189
REALLY not a fan of this gif, anon

>>388693393
To give an example of something Fatal Frame did that I liked, at one point you can see legs in the closet. There's no jump, there's no weird sound, nothing to draw your attention there. You just notice out of the corner of your eyes there are a pair of legs in the fucking closet. If a character jumped out at me I would have gone jumped a bit but immediately stopped caring. Because all I got was a peak of some legs it made me nervous walking around the area, thinking something was there. That's why jump scares are shit, because the fear lasts 2 seconds and then it's done.

>>388692634
Regular Salvador is nothing since you can put him on the floor with one shotgun hit. The mercs boss version is nightmare mode because he's really hard to stop.

>ywn get a horror game written by Alan Resnik

>Adult Swim keeps giving work to the hacks Tim and Eric
>Alan Resnick will never be allowed to make a tv show

>>388682751
>What makes for good horror
Uneasiness, suspense, ignorance, the unknown. The scariest games were games that weren't horror. They had areas in them that contained deep water, or large black voids you had to traverse in which your mind ran wild with what could possibly be in there to kill you.

>>388684134
Did you post this exact same sentence in the horror thread yesterday or am I going insane?

>>388693770
>Super Salvador in Mercs3d

That motherfucker makes me sweat as soon as I hear him.

>>388693619
The first Dead Space was really good. They just kept making it feel more like action than horror. Or maybe people just got too used to the content for later games to really feel "scary."

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>>388693102
Your brother can sell his PS4 upwards of 1500$ if he so wishes now lol

>>388693102
>What could have been
PT was a hallway simulator. It is not representative of anything that could have been.

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>>388693502
Then something unexpected happens right? haha

>leaked file in Half Life ep 3 showed an designation called "hallucination" that made an object blink out of existence a split second after you looked at it.

GODDAMNIT

>>388694208
They could have added like, 3 more hallways at least.

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>the bare minimum of jumpscares: enough to keep the player expecting them, but not enough to shift the source of the scares away from the anticipation of jumpscares and instead to the jumpscares themselves
>scares that feed on archetypes and the subconscious (sexual imagery, predatory maternalism, violent paternalism, anything that can scare the player in a way they can't quite define or understand)
>no over-reliance on the grotesque when the uncanny and unnerving could do it better
>imagery so scary or unsettling that it can upset the player without being presented as a jumpscare (when done right, it results in this very unique feeling of panic seeping into the back of your neck that no jumpscare could ever match)

>>388682751

Pacing, in particular the concept of tension and release. A horror game, or experience really, has to make the audience feel anxiety but also have the necessary tact to not only release that anxiety but to do so with good timing and resonant technique. You can't build up to nothing, otherwise the audience gets bored. But you can't go with nonstop scares either because desensitization sets in. You've gotta balance the two with grace, which is why good horror is actually hard as fuck to do.

>>388694159
How does that work? I have a PT PS4 too. Wouldn't I have to give over my whole account?

>>388682751
>>388683759
>yfw you found it the guy who directed these is also the same guy responsible for alantutorial

>>388694395
Silent HIll 1-3

>>388694519
Also this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xg29TuWo0Yo

Oh jesus what the fuck youtube made their UI even worse

>>388693701
pls respond I'm about to hit the buy button

Also I really like Silent Hill if that helps

>>388693619
dead space wasn't scary at all after the first 30 minutes. it was a pretty good game but way too long.

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uncanny valley

game try rape you

>>388693701
>>388694685
Follow your heart anon. Think of it as a meta-horror; the spooks come from not knowing whether your purchase will be justified or not.

>>388694794
Please don't tell me you think you just posted an example

What's wrong with properly placed jumpscares?

>>388682751
read thomas grips blog for frictional games

>>388695098
Nothing. People just rail on them as to appear to know what they are talking about. Low hanging fruit.

Jumpscares are for the beginning of a scary scene
They keep you looking out for the next one. Twitchy and alert.

>>388694860
on second thought, is Soma worth it for 8 bucks?

>>388695265
>People just rail on them as to appear to know what they are talking about.
This

>>388693502
Yeah haha and then she keeps staring at you and you don't know how to follow up the conversation haha

>>388694395
>.gif
NO YOU DON'T

>>388695098
Because you get "scared" (forced into the fight or flight response) for 2 seconds. Then the game has to take a break until the next one, and it's not scary anymore until then. So it's like 2 seconds out of every few minutes at most are you actually feeling fear. Meanwhile, with a tension based approach you are scared all the time not just in random bursts.

>>388695320
Yes. However, the game doesn't offer much from a gameplay perspective, and arguably the monster scares are it's weakest point. Soma is much more narrative focused then Amnesia or Penumbra, but it still has great atmosphere, graphics/art direction and sound design.

>>388695098
The only jumpscare that fucked me up (can't find a video sorry) is a scene in Dead Space 2 where a mob falls through a roof in an elevator. A part of the game usually conceived as a relatively safe spot.

>>388695320
Yes
>>388695265
>>388695386
The issue is when people dismiss all jumpscares no matter what, even if they're used conservatively. As someone who used to do that, I can tell you I did it out of resentment because jumpscares make me panic

>>388695320
Soma is great but it's not strictly horror

>>388695558
>>388695516
thank

>>388695098
>properly placed
That's the trick. But hopefully there's more to the atmosphere than that.

>>388695098
>>388695265
People rag on jumpscares because of how overused they are in horror games. A lot of games just treat the jump scare as the meat of the scariness, instead of using them to compliment the scariness.

Never understood why horror games don't use hallucinations and non-euclidean space more.

>>388695558
The problem here is defining conservative. If by conservative you mean once or twice in the entire game then yeah jump scares are fine. If you start doing them frequently it just gets stupid and hard to take seriously.

>>388695776
I think I summed it up alright in my other post
>the bare minimum of jumpscares: enough to keep the player expecting them, but not enough to shift the source of the scares away from the anticipation of jumpscares and instead to the jumpscares themselves

Pussy ass niggas can't handle some jumpscares.

I remember being 14.

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>>388687174
organic tension, yes.
>tl;dr my idea for a proper alien game with the most refined AI ever
>>>>>>>>heres an idea for a game i want to make, or pay people to make eventually in my lifetime :

start out in a shuttle in earths orbit, this is where you would design your characters look and choose its attribute (medic, pilot, engineer etc...) and get briefed about 'finding a contract' aboard the station. docking cutscene leads to you stepping into an actual space station lobby with up to 32 (or 64) online players all having created their own character. players will find airlock doors around the outskirts of the lobby, each listing the players+attribute aboard the vessel at that door. each vessel could take anywhere from 4-12 people on a 'contract job' be it terraforming or mining, something else im sure. once the vessel has adequate players it launches on its selected voyage and the game really begins. your crew will face normal survival struggles, get food from food storage, cook it in the kitchen, feed the players. part of the ship needs maintenance, go get the tool then take it to the injured spot and 'hold x'. nothing new or special about these mechanics but somewhere in this voyage things go wrong, ORGANICALLY. be it a distress call (original alien), problems when landing for terraforming (aliens covenant), or even as far as some random piece of food being tainted with eggs or sabotaged by the onboard android. what spawns in the ship is a sophisticated AI driven alien with its own needs of hunger, health, rest, other things we could all think up. it will start small as expected, finding a nest inaccesible to the players while also monitoring them. naturally, the aliens presence will cause the ship problems and venturing to fix these problems is a risky endeavor alone and splitting up is just that. and ultimately its a fight for survival. in some cases it would be the surviving players who send out a distress call for new players

>>388695760
-tech limitations
-increases complexity of level design tenfold
-can only exist in games with a drug scene/mechanic, dreams, or "anything goes" rules when it comes to the horror

>>388695825
Players shouldn't be afraid of the game because "Oh some loud obnoxious shit might pop out at me." They should be afraid because some weird shit is going on and their brain is racing trying to figure out what it could be. Basically the idea is to make the person think "something horrible could be near me" and fill in the blanks in their mind with the worst things they can imagine. When I was playing fatal frame, one of the scariest things to me when I was going through the game was seeing the crawl spaces and knowing eventually I was gonna have to go in there. Thinking what the fuck is in that narrow hole was way scarier than a loud monster jumping at the camera ever could be.

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>>388693189

>>388696008
Non-euclidean space is a very simple technique.

Level design in horror is of the utmost importance.

There are more reasons for hallucinations in horror than any other genre.

Games which are reliant on jumpscares feel cheap, but games with no jumpscares at all feel impotent. On top of that I don't feel like there's really a difference between a good or mediocre jumpscare. A meticulously planned, carefully timed jumpscare has about as much impact as the ones in shitty free indie horror games where the monster just earrapes you while spazzing out in your face. In the end the quality of the game comes down to its non-jumpscare elements.

There's no one thing that's scary to all people so opinions on what horror games are and aren't scary are always going to differ. Some people think "atmosphere" is scary, some people are immune since there's nothing trying to actually get you. Some people think inexplicable surreal shit is scary, some people just see it as weird. Some people think getting chased by jumpscare monsters is scary, other people just see it as lame. You can never scare everyone.

I just wish horror games tried more new things and concepts. Every new horror game just feels like a clone of a more successful one. Usually some frankenstein combination of amnesia, PT, FNAF and slender eight pages. I respect horror games that try new things even if they aren't all that scary e.g. Pony Island or Detention.

>>388696008
you would be right if most devs actually gave a shit
most horror devs are either bottom-tier indies or AAA studios, both of whom actively ignore innovating and just try to copy whatever's popular

generally horror is pretty hard to do any medium. My favorite bits of horror media are usually short films and they also tend to be the most effective

trying to sustain tension and fear for a long period of time is extremely difficult because fear comes in pangs, it comes quickly and it's overpowering but doesn't last for extended periods. I mean I guess people can go into pathological states of extreme fear but that won't really happen from consumer media unless you have a phobia of something

I think fear/horror in games has to be told through gameplay mechanics. The tank controls in old RE games are good examples, I think you could call them a form of limiting play, in the sense that they (seemingly) restrict player expression and freedom. Navigating 3d space by its very nature can considered to be empowering. Like look at all these platformer games or action games where the simple task of moving around is fun. I know not everyone is especially fond of tank controls but I think its a good way to get players in uncomfortable scenarios. Generally the controls should be esoteric enough so that people fumble with them but a calm player should still be able to move exactly how they want. That's way easier said than done tho

controls aren't the only way to put players in rough scenarios, there are a lot of games that screw around with player expression. I think that's the way to go about it if you're creating a horror game

and honestly most horror games should be short

>>388696106
Two points,
1. False dichotomy, jumpscares can potentially have any of those traits
2. You still need to give the player a REASON to be scared in your game, not just something to be scared of. It's just a screen after all, one you can look away from. I can think of two real categories of the possible disincentives. Either something very detrimental to the player's experience happens, or something very unpleasant happens. The first is usually covered through death, which then sends the player's progress back to an early point, forcing them to replay whatever they just did, which they typically don't want to do that much. The second only really has one option unless you get really outlandish, and that's a jarring, upsetting jumpscare.

>>388696106

That fear before the "event" is ALWAYS worse than the event itself. With everything. Fights, public speaking, scary games, everything.

I think a good horror game/movie sustains that tension and fear as possible while also revealing as little as possible as what there is to be afraid of. Example, Aliens starring Mel Gibson was great until they showed the fucking aliens. That ruined it. Blair Witch project did it perfectly because they never showed the monster. Lake Mungo also never revealed what was behind everything, you never got to see the thing and lose your fear.

Also why The Mothman Prophecies are extremely frightening for the first hour or so, then get dumb as hell when the movie explains everything about what's going on.

Scary games/films don't show you the terror, shitty ones do.

>>388696218
>Level design in horror is of the utmost importance.
Correct, which is why I imagine many devs with modest budgets would like to keep things relatively simple so that they have an easier time perfecting it
>There are more reasons for hallucinations in horror than any other genre.
And, beautifully, there are more hallucinations in horror games than in any other genre

>>388696669
> Blair Witch project
That movie was garbage.

>>388696835
This poster was born fewer than eighteen years ago

>>388696718
You ignored my first point becaise it destroyed your second point.

It's not technically impressive and thus doesn't increase budget that much.

Antichamber is a tiny game but it absolutely rapes your sense of logical space.

Hallucinations are not used as much as they could be. There are less Eternal Darkness' than The Sufferings.

>>388696894
Don't make assumptions, I bought into all the hype when that shit was announced for the first time and saw it in theaters. That movie fucking sucked backed then and it still sucks now. People were only gushing over it for popularizing the found-footage genre despite it having been done before and better.

>>388684887
If your sister's corpse was in the attic the game would have been better.

>>388697059
Which earlier films are you referring to

>>388696835
No, it was inventive and good.

>>388697106
meant for >>388697058

>>388685259
Darkwood does this.

I want a game where you just have to drive a car to a distant relatives house out in butt fuck nowhere. You basically drive down a very long, winding road with slow to moderate turns going through either large fields of literally nothing to claustrophobic forest roads in the dead of night.

No music at all, save for some moments of dark ambient that consists of just low ominous hums to slowly weaken the resolve of the player. You can listen to your radio to give you hints on obstructions that are coming up ahead, or incoming storms, or just general nerve calming, and may even make stops at gas stations, or see a truck/car passing by.

The problems don't begin until you continue on however.

>radio begins to tell you of storms and obstructions that are never really there
>sometimes trucks/cars will show silhouettes in front of them, or even in front of you
>begin to hear things over the radio such as other voices that aren't quite normal
>maybe the radio just suddenly shuts off, no warning
>enter a gas station as the counter person talks of odd happenings around the place

>enter one gas station
>despite it being lit up outside, the inside is completely fucking ransacked and powerless
>crying in the bathroom, best leave it alone and go

>later on, hear things moving in your back seat
>eventually see a figure at the corner of your vision outside the window, dead still, even if you are driving at 50 to 60 miles per hour.

>the only form of music or distraction is your radio, and even it can be effected

>later on, something completely dark slams onto your windshield


Imagine the possibilties. The entire goal is to keep your eyes on the road ahead of you, and to avoid obstacles. Sometimes rain storms limit your vision even more. Sometimes your gas meter begins flipping out and giving inaccurate readings (Hope you remember how much gas you put in)

And pray, that your car doesn't run out of gas, lest you wish to walk the road with nothing but you and a flashlight.

>>388697106
Cannibal Holocaust

>>388697220
i like the idea. have you seen the guy who posts the horror driving game? i really like how it looks but i think its fine tuning the mechanic, i feel like he could really absorb some of your ideas in a good way.

you should criticize my alien game idea so it can keep evolving >>388695954

>>388685903
So basically Until Dawn

>>388697220
To add, maybe add a sort of energy counter. If it starts to go low, your vision begins to blur and your steering a bit sloppy as whatever is hunting you down begins to effect you. Eventually, your character will just shut their eyes, leaving you blind as they fall asleep.

To counter act this, you have energy bars and bottles of water to keep you awake laid about your car. The issue is that, if you take your eyes off the road, well that's eyes off the road. You reaching for a bottle of water can spell your doom, or maybe you find a little more than a bottle of water when you look over to search for it.

>>388697220
There are fucking loads of games that are basically just "doing some normal thing then spooky shit gradually starts to happen". This idea isn't interesting at all.

HEY GUYS WHAT ABOUT A GAME WHERE YOU DO A MUNDANE TASK FOR A LONG TIME AND THEN THINGS SLOWLY START BECOMING OFF AND WEIRD. LIKE REAL SUBTLE STUFF HAHA. AFTER A FEW HOURS OF MUNDANE TASKING THINGS GET LIKE TOTALLY CRAZY AND LOVECRAFTIAN AND YOU ARE ALL LIKE "Whoa" EXCEPT YOU AREN'T SURPRISED BECAUSE YOU KNEW THIS WAS A HORROR GAME THE WHOLE TIME.

>>388697220

that's a nice concept but how would you handle fail states? If you show a monster then your game is shit outta tension. What happens if you go into a bathroom where you hear crying? What happens if you're walking along a road with a flashlight? How do you maintain tension and fear between different play states?

>>388697640
Dude it's scarier not to say even though you would definitely have to show it in this hypothetical game. Just let your imagination fill in the blanks of how good my idea is.

>>388697542
Well if one were to start a horror game out with a jumpscare on the title screen, then that really speaks for the quality of the game now doesn't it?

One could easily put points of sudden (and subsequently unnerving) peace and quiet where nothing happens, but the whole point of starting from nothing is that it helps to build tensions, give prelude to the story, and in the case of video games, act as tutorial and warming up. Besides, even just driving down a silent dark road in the dead of night can be unnerving. Have you ever done it? It's not exactly calming.

I think body horror is a great horror. It's why the Flood from Halo were so creepy. They're a mutated and grotesque perverted form of the original still recognizable creature, and you can shoot lots of bits off of them and they won't die.

>>388697740
>Well if one were to start a horror game out with a jumpscare on the title screen, then that really speaks for the quality of the game now doesn't it?
I didn't realize that's what I was suggesting when I said your idea was unoriginal shlock.

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>>388682751
Jumpscares are only hated because they naturally scare people in a way douchebags who think they're too mature for fear can't prepare for.

>>388696158
Surely this is someone's fetish, right? Both "girls."

unsettling environments, subject matter, creatures and having real consequences to your decisions and failures

I think the big problem is that horror is that it's kind of a self defeating genre, you eventually have to show the monster/give the answer/reach a conclusion and by that point the it's not scary. I think a lot of good horror media side steps by having other elements, like silent hill is spooky but by there are also a lot of tragic elements underlining the whole experience. Pure horror by itself can't really walk on its own two feet

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>>388682751
>they should be focusing on monsters that have really disturbing walking/movement patterns
So Shalebridge Cradle?

>>388697640
Add a sense of unpredictability. Sometimes you can walk back and find jack shit. Either way, an encounter with something out of your car will leave you dead, and running off the road itself will leave you fatally wounded.

>crash into a tree
>get flung out of car
>slam into a tree and fall on the ground
>all you can hear are the bugs and crickets around you and the breathing of your own character
>suddenly the sounds of the night stop
>two beady eyes from down the road begin to advance towards you at a fast rate, foot steps growing louder as your breathing stops

>or maybe there isn't anything on the road
>you just hear your breathing
>and as it fades, another more raspy and raggid breathing is heard next to you, as the screen fades to black

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>mfw it's one of "those" horror threads.

>>388682751
A good scary game should leave you on edge. There is nothing wrong with jumpscares per say, but it needs more than that. You have to give a feeling of impending demise at all times, and build suspense. Now sometimes, that means building false suspense for nothing to actually happen, sometimes it means having an entire area being one giant death trap the entire time.

I honestly thought Alan Wake did the horror genre very well

>>388697575
>jaded anon has no sense of progression, the post

You are fun at parties aren't you?

>>388689631
The haunting in SH4 with the dead cat in the fridge gave me literal nightmares after playing it. Fuck that shit man

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>when you finally figure out what makes this image scary.

Hint: It's not the darkness in the doorway or the dog.

>>388692249
Darkwood is a great new example of shit like this. Constant unnerving SFX that don't feel like they're scripted.

>>388698254

people say that SH4 isn't as good as SH2/3 but there are others who say it has some of scariest moments in any of the games

should I bust out my ps2 copy that I'm too chickenshit to play?

>>388698224
yes.

>>388692856
The whole "helpless" or "unstoppable enemy" thing never works, because once you realise you can't fight it, the game becomes a running away simulator and is no longer scary because you know you will NEVER have to fight it.

>>388698398
>it's not the darkness

the hell it's not.

>>388698398
This image is giving me chills. What's the scary part?

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>>388697859
>tfw you're scared of the idea of jumpscares being there more than the build up to, or actual presence of any jumpscares.
>tfw you're literally more afraid to actually start horror movies/games than you have ever been watching/playing them.

>>388698398
Can I get a hint? I mean the pitch darkness is already uneasy as fuck.

>>388698398

Is it the door stupidly close to the wall, where no person with any sense of aesthetics would put it?

>>388698398
>when you finally figure out what makes this image scary.
It's that you are implying it's scary.

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>playing REmake for the first time two days ago
>get lost around
>waste all my ammo kill all the zombies, except that one crimson head
>my anus when I have to run around knife only
Hadn't been this scared since ever. As soon as I found the grenade launcher the game became way less scary.

Also,
>get to the control room part with the shark
>my anus when the pressure is at 50% and I don't know what fucking button to press
I need more stressful situations like that in games.

>>388698398
is it the color scheme? because p-u!

>>388698398
The hand prints aren't the scary part, anon

>>388698592
its' the anticipation.

>>388698398
Should've turned the file extension into a gif. Would have made this joke more effective.

>>388698224
Nope. /v/ had been past this "SUBTLE STUFF HAPPENS" idea for years because of the inherent problems and the puerility of it. Never said anything about progression being bad. Nice job with your strawman though. You did the same to the other guy criticising this rote idea.

This idea is the horror equivalent of "what if there was a zombie game where u rly had to survive in like a big area with random weapon drops."

>>388698158
Tell me about it.

>>388698421
Yes. At least play the first half of the game

>>388698130
Oh wow how scary DDDDD:

>>388698398
>Dog shadow looks like cat
>scratches on the wall and door
>Scratching above the door when inverted says "Look behind you"

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>>388693189
I got a boner from this gif.
I think I might be a degenerate.

>>388682751
Don't set out to make horror as the primary goal. The best scares I've ever had were in games that weren't horror at all.

>>388698421
It does some things right. It does some things wrong. I think it following SH 3 and being a departure from "regular" Silent Hill games made it the target of a lot of criticism.

I'd definitely say it's worth playing. Just beware some of the sound direction is less than good, mostly some voice acting and enemy sounds being bad.

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>suddenly my fan just went out

>>388698841
You are talking straight out of your ass. You are literally advocating for all horror games from here on out to avoid beginning in a subtle, paced manner. That is how fucking contrarian you're being right now. That's fucking ludicrous. Please, please do tell us what exactly the "inherent problems and puerility" entail

>>388699076
Oh, I forgot to mention that inventory management is a significant part of gameplay, so if you hate that you probably won't have fun.

>>388687918
A robot rips off the player character's arms and breaks their legs in the first mission of CoD Black Ops III.

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>>388699143
>playing RE1
>get to the part where the hanged zombie drops
>as soon as the loud thud sounds, lights go out on the whole neighborhood
>mfw I have to run to the safe room before my UPS runs out

>>388698776
>joke

well you could argue the lighting feels unnatural thus unsettling. but then you'd be terrified of going into a Walmart too.

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>>388698421
i played 2 and 3 and then got 4 (funny story actually) and when youre walking down the stairway and the first possessed person floats at you, i made some sort of sound and had to pause and stand up and gather myself...imagine not being able to stop and think.

play it

>>388698956
like what?

>>388699424
Some people should own cats

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>>388698497
So make it so that just being around the enemy can cause horrible things to happen.

>>388698398
I agree, wooden floors are a bitch to maintain.

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>>388698523
>>388698530
>>388698592
>>388698594
>>388698625
>>388698650
>>388698709
>>388698776
It's the upper right corner above the door. The corner of the room. It's the angle of the image showing this. Corners are inherently scary. Think about the classic image of a chair up against a corner. The corner of your basement. The last image of BWP. It's what makes the image. You could make the same image with the dog and door but it wouldn't work as well. The corner sells it. The image in this post would not work. Silent Hill used corners so well.

You might think it's stupid but just trust me. Look at corners and blank walls. It took me years to figure this out.

>>388682751
>I am a shadow... The true self...

>>388699562
Interesting. I thought this was stupid until I imagined the painting without the other wall visible and realized it isn't half as scary
Thanks for giving me something to chew on, anon

>And almost as a parallel event, explaining and scrutinizing the human soul, into all its niches and crooks and abysses and dark corners, is not doing good to humans. We have to have our dark corners and the unexplained. We will become uninhabitable in a way an apartment will become uninhabitable if you illuminate every single dark corner and under the table and wherever—you cannot live in a house like this anymore. And you cannot live with a person anymore—let’s say in a marriage or a deep friendship—if everything is illuminated, explained, and put out on the table. There is something profoundly wrong.
-Werner Herzog

>>388699562
really? I think corners are reassuring. different strokes I guess.

>>388699281
No, I'm not. You are strawmanning because you think your idea is new or good.

The problems have already been said and you would find more with 5 minutes of thoughts into the logistics of your idea rather than adding more "events".

>>388699562
Would mating press tbqh famala

>>388699562
I do believe you. It might give a sense of feeling closed off, or trapped. However saying the corner is the "scariest" thing is kinda misleading. It might make the image, but the darkness is the obvious "threat."

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>>388699562
Not going to lie, I ain't seeing it the way you are.

>>388699870
I can't stand the back of peoples' heads. this scares the fuck out of me.

>>388699787
Being in a corner is safe. Looking at one is scary.

>>388699535
What is this from?

>>388700028
post a picture of an empty well lit corner.

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Corners.

>>388699870
Yeah lol where's the corner here but it's still creepy

>>388699814
I haven't posed any ideas involving a subtle start at all. Too many posters here already do that. That doesn't mean it's an idea anyone should be "moving on" from.
>No, I'm not.
Yes, you are. You said that /v/, and clearly yourself as well, are "past" that concept. You are bullshitting yourself if you don't accept the blatant implications of that statement. You're of the belief that others should move on as well.
>The problems have already been said
I read the entire thread and saw no good arguments. Perhaps I missed them and you could point them out to me.
>you would find more with 5 minutes of thoughts into the logistics of your idea rather than adding more "events".
Events? What the fuck are you talking about boy, have you been drinking the garage paint again? I'm going to whip some fucking sense into you with a car jack, come here you little rat

>>388700050
Channel Zero. It's live-action adaptions of creepypasta. For some reason they decided to stretch out Candle Cove, one of the least suitable for telling a prolonged story, into 6 episodes. Next season is No End House which should fare better.

>>388700146
Blair Witch Project was fucking dumb.

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Just stare at one unfurnished corner of your house, preferably with plain walls for a while.

Corners.

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>>388699562
I've always liked the optical illusion aspect of corners. At a glance its always hard to tell if its a cube edge pointing at you, or you're in the inside of a box looking at the corner. Plus corners always inherently mess with perspective. Its hard to tell what angle the walls are at, and what distance you are to the corner. Corners are probably the hardest aspect of perspective in drawing, which is why they always turn out uncanny and shitty in drawings

You know what's fucking spooky?
Dirty spaces.

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>>388700294
I'm still not seeing it anon, maybe it's just a personal thing. For instance, I have an irrational fear of dim red lighting

>>388700294
Alright, you've convinced me. I don't like corners now that I think about it

Before /v/ I was a normal guy. Now I want to fuck floor tiles and run away from corners

>>388699870
People facing behind reminds of me of this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1o3DLIYhH50

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If the ceiling is visible, it's also scarier.

>>388698398
>>388700330
>keep seeing fucking cubes
end me

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>>388689892
https://youtu.be/JoQ4GidQP-k

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>>388700294
>everyone posting pictures of corners with other scary elements

please.

and the window in that is the most unsettling. open windows at night, looking out.

>>388686926
Fuck man the music and sounds in this game were top tier. Way scarier than anything you ever actually came across except THE BATH

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>main "scare" elements are little girls
F.E.A.R killed itself after the first one

>>388697859
Jumpscares are hated because they're easy and overused. It's very easy to startle a human and the anticipation of being startled is not fear.
It's anxiety.

>>388700241
Learn to read.

>>388684073
Check out Night Mind's explanation of it.

>>388700525
>>388699814
My mind is literally swimming after being exposed to so many arguments of such high caliber in these posts

>>388700492
>That one part where you have to turn the elevator back on and think you are going to get spooked on
>Alma is instead in the elevator with your companion as it closes and you watch helplessly.
Shit was scarier to me than the ladder scene.

>>388700459
This corner is unsettling.

>>388699562
>>388700146
>>388700330
>>388700432
>>388700459
>>388700294
Corners are comfortable, I am always drawn to them. Nothing's off about corners, I like them.

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>>388700492
>people find little girls, sick old men and literal toddlers scary

samara, dude from poltergeist 2 and the kid from pet sematary respectively. I don't get it at all. maybe I'm just old fashioned but this is what I'd consider scary.

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>>388682751
>What makes for good horror in vidya?
-Great audio-design. The most important part of creating atmosphere, even more important than the graphics ever will be.

-Conservative use of gory elements and violence. This even more enhances the effect of those few times they may be used.

-Element of immersing the player. If s/he doesn't feel like being "there", but instead is observing a game -trying to "win", the result is failure. Thus things like minimal HUD and interesting locales / "puzzles" etc are important. Part of making the game immersive is also making the game's world interesting, make players want to explore them - even if it means exposing yourself for more horrors that lurk in the shadows.

-Similarily: playing with player's emotions and and understanding of the situation. One could summarize this as "mind-fuck". Giving fairly ordinary looking and feeling situations, maybe predictable looking event even, but somehow twisting and turning the whole situation upside down, boggling player's mind. This element truly is a work of art that not too many games get right, but what really makes good horror games shine through the rest. It can be little things, it can be pretty much anything, but you'll notice if its missing.

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>>388700801
I'm biased but I was always more of a Michael Myers fan.

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What are you guys talking about? Corners are comfy as hell

>>388700801
Is this the new "I'm 12 years old and listen to the Beatles"?

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>>388700459
> and the window in that is the most unsettling. open windows at night, looking out.
This nigga. I live deep in a forest with no lights anywhere. Opening windows at night is spooky as all fuck even after living here for dozens of years.
There's always something moving out there and you can't make sure what the fuck is it exactly.

>>388682751
jump scares are an important part of horror they just can't be the only thing there. Because often times horror just does come out of no where and it's important to be able to transition the player from state of heightened alert to panic and possible into a position where they are fearful of their life.

Honestly the single most imporant thing in a horror game is to keep the player feeling desperate at all times without overly punishing or killing a player. Dying, especially too many times in a row is the number 1 way to lose all tension in a horror game. Even with the harshest death penalty once you die in a horror game everything up to that point lost its immersion, you no longer give a shit and just run through the game stone faced until you get past a certain part hoping that the game will recapture that moment where you were felt terrified but unless a long stretch goes on where you don't die you'll probably never go back to that experience.

Corners, old wood and lone barns scare me.

>Corners aren't scary! They are safe.

Next time you are in a plain corner, do one thing. Turn around. See if you say the same thing.

>>388700945
whoa!

nice rape dungeon. that yours? love the color scheme. the overhanging fiberglass really accents the pallid sickly white.

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Does anyone know of any horror games that take place primarily during the day?

>>388701163
These images are scarier because of the corners and ceiling.

>>388700801
I think it has to do with the corruption of people most often perceived as "innocent." Like, a little girl murdering her whole family seems more sinister than the father.

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>>388699454
>>388698421
>i played 2 and 3 and then got 4
Don't tell me you people skipped SH1, AKA the most important AND the absolutely best game in the series??
And yes, SH4 is great. Not quite SH1-2 great, but still good.

Lemme post the SH PC guide + the DL links :

SH1 NTSC DDL:
https://mega.nz/#!bVUCTJzD!PmnPw4S7fWGyvTjw9S0-RQdk7rRp2BQNuXJqRkZCZvk

SH2 DDL:
https://mega.nz/#!rFcj1SIJ!47JH9M4OrzmQKuaiJ6IqUgmgz_SVNtk4LIYNSa-D-_8

SH2 torrent:
https://mega.nz/#!bYcEnbhC!rYnhvcJiRC46T6yExS0Y61JHZ-5N3WxFvfZMI8xbyhE

SH3 DDL:
https://mega.nz/#!2JNkgJ7b!nfPf5cIs6I5K-sdAs7RcnHvGA2hAvIGdpQuIoBhF3iE

SH3 torrent:
https://mega.nz/#!GVVGRLpD!SyklVbuLIkc38ZYji5QL3sWHKtHt9-Bto700My8pH7c

SH4 DDL:
https://mega.nz/#!Us1XTaII!cglH0dZOaH5yQEm4cnEh3eyUz4bIf6rACQqcVzkb4Hc

Mount the ISOs of 2 & 3, and then run their installers like always.
The SH1 is a PS1 rip that you gotta emulate.
The "sh2proxy" is a all-in-one fix, that works as a no-cd crack as well. It is included in the pack.
If you use the NEW fix mentioned in the guide, you can use the sh2proxy's EXE as the no-cd crack!

If you cannot save the game / can't edit the disp.ini, make sure the files aren't set to "Read Only", and run the game as Administrator.
If SH2 gets stuck in a black screen upon launch, close it and re-start it again.
If SH3 runs like shit even on a strong PC, check and lower the Rendering Resolution setting.

SH2-4 don't support Xinput gamepads. Use Xpadder, a DirectInput pad, or just play with KB+M.
You can see some decent emulator settings for SH1 in the guide.
If the image of the game does NOT fill your entire screen in fullscreen mode, check your plugin / GPU control panel's image scaling settings!
Try the new PGXP emulator a shot for a lot less wobbly PS1 graphics.

>Protips
-Play in release order
-Never play below Normal difficulty
-Replaying them all is recommended
-Turn down the ingame Brightness setting
-Don't try to kill everything, especially outdoors
-Turning OFF the flashlight helps

>>388701225
Is this a hot new meme?

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>>388701005
You still find it spooky? After months of having to close the windows at midnight before going to bed I just accepted my fate.

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>>388701225
I think we get the point anon.

>>388701148
wasn't there a movie or something where a guy was told to sit in the corner of a round room and went crazy? can't remember what it was.

>>388701157
That's just really really bad water insulating though

>>388701228
but they're kids. just hold out your hand. the girl from fear wasn't even threatening in her child form.

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CEILING AND CORNER WHEN USED IN CONJUNCTION PROVIDE BEST SCARE.

STOP UNDERRATING CEILING.

>>388701163
Real life
But other than that, Pathologic?

>>388701375
>but they're kids. just hold out your hand
That argument falls flat with Alma since she can rip adult soldiers apart with her mind.

I do not like horrors much but Observer is really great game, old school cyberpunk in such details, really wonderful.
And yeh it has jump scares here and there.

>>388701302
>corner of the room isn't visible
>image is 0% spooky
I agree with the whole corner deal, but this new spicy meme is too good to ignore. Sorry it had to be like this, Anonymous.

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>>388701275
There's a small road passing through the forest and it has 1 (one) light on it that works for a few days and then breaks(?) again. I can just about see it out of my bedroom's window.
I always see a human-looking shadow next to the light at least once or twice during the days when this shit works and then it keeps me spooked for a long while.

Outlast is good.

>>388700889
>Element of immersing the player. If s/he doesn't feel like being "there", but instead is observing a game -trying to "win", the result is failure. Thus things like minimal HUD and interesting locales / "puzzles" etc are important. Part of making the game immersive is also making the game's world interesting, make players want to explore them - even if it means exposing yourself for more horrors that lurk in the shadows.
This is important. Making it too "gamey" will cause players to focus on winning and playing well instead of putting themselves in the character's shoes.

Moments in non-horror that freak people out usually occur when players see the environment and imagine themselves being there, like the player standing over the edge of some water they have to dive in, and they can't see the bottom.

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what now?

>>388700050
Channel Zero; ignore the other poster, its a nice little six episode show.

>>388686918
That proves absolutely nothing though and it's silly that people keep regurgitating it
>Lots of shooters/murderers have mental problems
>They took medication for it
>Thus medication causes murderous behavior
We don't have magic behavior altering pills. Anti-Depressants are just a tool. Therapy is what is actually supposed to help the person.

How about a game where you are being attacked by ghosts or some shit but they can only be seen in specific parts of the visible spectrum.

>>388695776
>Conservative
>>>/Pol/

>>388701504
well isn't anything able to do that scary?

>>388701682
cornerfags btfo

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>>388701682
Is it
>zero corner
Or
>countless amounts of corners

>>388701683
Huh? I never said anything bad about it, I just said it was a strange move to pick Candle Cove, which is primarily well known because of how effective it uses its storytelling in a minimal fashion, into a plot driven storyline.

>>388701802
True. Maybe it's that whole black hair over the face spiel she has going on too.

>>388701682
Not scary at all.

The hard right angles are what make corners and ceilings scary.

What about a corners game where it's endless corners after corners and just when you think you've escaped from all the corners, it turns out you were in the corner of one giant corner all along. Also the surprise twist is you're a corner yourself.

>>388701552
It's just your imagination fucking with you. Those shitty lamps project shadows everywhere. You might want to get some lights installed outside your house, though. You might have an emergency someday and get mauled as soon as you get outside.

Video games give you a sense of control, even in some you technically don't have control in. Just the concept of it being a video game unlocks the inner though that there is control to some degree. With film you have no control over what is presented to you, just like scary events in real life. For this simple reason alone, video games can not be scary beyond cheap jump scares.

>>388702023
Corners are a scary enhancer.

Imagine having to approach a spooky corner in a game. Would it be as spooky if it was just a wall?

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>>388701878
Six episodes isn't exactly long, and they added a ton of stuff to the story to flesh it out. I think they did a pretty good job with it.

>>388695954
Sounds like space station 13, but not filled with shitters.

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>so anon, what's the scariest game ever
>

>>388702139
Fuck you faggot. You could not be more wrong. Control is what makes horror games so promising.

YOU have to walk into that dark hallway.
YOU have to sneak past the monster.
YOU have to look at that spooky corner.

Agency makes horror games the ultimate horror media.

>>388699870

Attention into darkness spikes fear in humans. There's nothing in the corner, just like there's nothing in the dark behind the girl.

But the monkey in your brain can't shake that she's focused on something, and the fact you can't focus on it yourself is disquieting.

Same with the dog: He sees something, and its body language is stock still. It's analyzing its target,

In both cases, the unknown through 2 degrees.

>>388702153
>they added a ton of stuff to the story to flesh it out
Eh, Personally I thought it was unnecessary fluff that really didn't enhance what made the original so good in the first place.
>I think they did a pretty good job with it.
I agree with this. So far I think they really have a handle on how to make an effectively creepy show without sacrificing quality. That's why I'm more excited for the next season with a creepypasta that more readily fits the mold of what they went with in the first one.

On the topic of creepypastas, why hasn't anyone made a Dogscape game yet? That'd be amazing.

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>>388682751
anyone else unsettled by this part? something about the whole ideal 1950's, knowing there's something sinister lurking just underneath the surface. or anything like that. the twilight zone used it a lot too.

>>388702139
False as shit. As someone who's been spooked by both movies and games, games are way more effective.
Even the crappiest horror games manage to keep up the atmosphere in ways movies almost never can.

>>388701682
The floor has like 16 corners

>>388702452
that's probably because the twilight zone started airing in the 50s
i was put off more by how muddled everything looked, with my tv and its brightness i could barely make out anything

>>388702242
I need to play this game again
I got myself cornered into a spot in the game where it bugs out and it kills me every fucking time so i have to replay all the fucking game
Not even playing the PC version

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>horror game
>has a small amount of weapons that developers put care into making them satisfying to use
>rarely find ammo for it

What games do this?

>>388702242
What? If I remember correctly, later you are strong af. The first few levels however, nailed the atmosphere

>>388700797
>t. corner

>>388702623
You're completely right. I was just trying to bandwagon on the corner meme.

>>388701682
Big rooms and doors are ten time spookier than corners. Imagine huge monsters coming out of those doors.

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>>388702614
Condemned: Criminal Origins.

Guns are rare, and all ammo you'll ever get is what's inside the gun's magazine or chamber when you get it. No reloading whatsoever.

>>388682751
doppelgangers are terrifying. image seeing someone across a busy intersection, with people all around, in broad daylight. you make eye contact, and they give a cold, hollow, reptilian grin. then as a truck passes by, they're gone. and you know what they say when you see your doppelganger, you'll die shortly afterwards.

>>388702139
You should kill yourself for being so stupid.

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>>388702753
Anything else? I've played Condemned already, very good game.

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>>388682751
ImScared was a game that had me unsettled for some parts. It felt unsettling. Like something was wrong at all times.

The low res pixel graphics combined with fog and ambient music made for some true scares.

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maybe that corner guy was onto something.

>>388702753
I unintentionally made the game harder for myself by forgetting completely about the taser until way later in the game. Not even in Resident Evil had I valued ammunition that much.

>>388690081
>Mfw when I right clicked him to death with a knife on my current playthrough

eat shit, you controller fuck.

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Rushing wind.
Rustling trees.
Encompassing darkness.
Distorted vision.
Impenetrable fog.
Unnatural noises.
Anything and everything can be a threat.

>>388682751
After replaying Cry of Fear recently, I went through it's audio files, and some of the SFX in that is really unsettling, such as really deep alternating tones playing in the background of things, but you can't hear diddle fuck because ARRRGHHHHHASWRTAWTAWTAWTWA monsters all the time.

>>388702993
You will notice it over the years like I did.

Floor and ceiling visible adds a 2x scariness modifier.

I have noticed hundreds of examples. Play Silent Hill. How often is the camera focused on a corner, or is in the corner itself?