Other than piracy, is there any reason to own a PC?

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60fps.

>>388673623
emulation, PC exclusives
PC abilities and multitasking such as hosting servers, VM's custom anything, including mods, music, etc.

Higher framerates, resolutions and graphics

>>388673623
Higher frame rate, higher graphic options, kb+m, mods, emulation.

>>388673707
Sony has 60 frames per two seconds though

Not having to pay for internet twice?

>>388673623
not having to pay $59.99 to play online

>Better graphics
>better performance
>way more control on your games
>tons of controller options
>cheaper games
>free games
>mods
>no paid online gaming
>cheaper to upgrade a single component than buy a brand new console every 5 years

MS Paint

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>>388673623
You can use it for other reasons other then gaming.

>>388673816
>PC exclusives

But didn't they get rid of Steam Greenlight?

Cheaper than a console.

>>388673874
and PC can have 288 fps per second.

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>>388673997
theres more to games than just steam you know

>>388673994
>then

>>388674041
Human eye can't see past 29.4

I have a ps4 for Bloodborne and new games i cant run and a pc for grand strat games, CoH, insurgency as well as the litteral hundreds of good older games i revisit

Im pretty happy with my set up but my pc is 10 years old and needs an upgrade.Forced Windows 10 might end the progression of pc gaming for me though

>>388673623
Games
>But PS4 has Bloodborne
It's always Bloodborne with you fucks. DO you not have any other games?

>>388673707
>60fps on FPS, Ubisoft garbage and early access
no

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>>388674194
We have the game of the generation baby.

>>388673623
I don't know, maybe because you only have to pay for online once on PC.

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>>388673941
>cheaper games
You ruined your entire comment

>>388674305
>Knock
>Game of the generation

Well that certainly explains why you never talk about anything but Bloodborne.

>>388673623
Old games are actually playable and populated. (See Battlefield 1942, or Battlefield 2 as some examples)

>>388673874
pc btfo

>>388674425
>playing with russian cheaters in Vietnamese servers

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>>388674396
Im not a Sonybro doc. Just doing some friendly shitposting about Sony's shovelware games.

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>not owning a ps4 pro and a good pc
>tfw I see someone who exclusively games on PC or PS4

>>388674560
Nope, both games have large communities with servers in EU and NA.

See: https://battlelog.co/

You get to play games at their highest quality possible, and you get control over various aspects of how they run and how they're played

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>Not using both
Lmoa look at this loser.

>>388674642
Still there is the cheater issue. For over 4 months I played using wall-hack on CS:GO and never got banned/vac'd. You simply buy a decent cheat that updates constantly

>>388674135
Pretty sure I notice a difference between 3p and 60, thought it was 60 the eye can't see Past. But yea after that it's a dick measuring contest

>>388673623
Graphics and 60fps

>>388674385
>You ruined your entire comment
How is NOT paying 80 € / $ for the AAA blockbuster titles, day 1 at that, somehow a negative?

Excuse me while I enjoy(ed) my 15€ Resident Evil 7 and 25€ MGS5 & TW3.

>>388673623
Being on /v/ is like living inside a deja vu nightmare where the threads are always the same and the answers are also always the same. SOMEBODY GET ME OUT OF THIS SHIT HOLE

>>388674946
Other than piracy, is there any reason to own a PC?

>>388673623
>cheaper investment in the long run
>more games including emulated console games
>free online multiplayer
>exclusives such as strategy/4X games
>modding
>multitasking/more usefulness/practicality in everyday life

>>388673623
I know this is kind of an alien concept on 4chan but if you're not a weeb there's no reason to own a PS4. All of those exclusives are pointless to a guy like me who doesn't care about anime. Killzone is the only PS4 exclusive that I would buy if I had a PS4.

>>388674385
Having fun paying twice for internet?

>>388673941
>cheaper to upgrade a single component than buy a brand new console every 5 years

You almost had a solid argument.

>>388675182
except its true

>new GPU
>250 dollars
>new console
>500+ tax

>>388675182
>New console: 400€ + tip
>new mid-tier GPU: 200€

>new GPU that beats the shit out of new consoles' specs: 100-150€

>>388674807
What's that got to do with older games? CS:GO is a piece of crap. The cheater problem is eliminated when servers are player ran, not some official bollocks.

>>388675280
>>388675307
You'd be right if you weren't buying a new GPU every two years.

>>388674610
>>388674164
Good to see theres some non brainlets here

>>388675698
only guys with too much money do this, it's in no way necessary

by the way how long was it between ps4 and the ps4 "pro" or whatever it was called?

>>388675698
but that's not necessary, a GTX750ti from from 2014 (costs around 100$ back then) can still run games better than a PS4 today.

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>>388674891
>he thinks 80 euros is the standard price for PS4 games
maybe in your pathetic mind. I buy 90% of my physical discs off play-asia and I always pay 30~39 dollars + $6 shipping on recent released games.
I bought Kingdom hearts 1.5+2.5 the day it released for $47 shipping included.
spirit of sanada 36 dollars + 6 shipping (-$3 discount), Dragon quest heroes II for 52 with shipping, Yakuza zero limited edition 65 with shipping, FF XV 44 dollars steelbook edition..
the only one I paid full price I lately was dead or alive xtreme
If you receive in europs it should be even cheaper when you convert USA dollars to euro

>>388674164
Hey could you elaborate on that forced windows 10 thing? I haven't upgraded and that sounds worrying

>>388675698
every 5 years you fucking retard

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>>388675910
>Xbox one.
>Ps4 games.

Are you the kid we see play video games on Lifetime channel exclusive movies?

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I'm sure it blows your minds just as much as my mind that there are adult people on this board that will argue a console is better in any way. Futile attempt after futile attempt at trying to claim console superiority.

As dumb, and like i said, futile as this is. Why do you even bother replying to mere manchildren who don't have the knowhow to build a computer that not only outperforms a console, but gives you a whole repertoire of other possibilities? Just shaking my head.

Stop replying to this thread, it needs to die.

>>388675939
Ryzen will support Windows 7 and 8 but you actually need to wait a few months to see if latest amd gpus will have decent drivers other than windows 10

>>388675939
I dont know actual stats so i could be blowing it out of proportion but it seems to me like more and more newer games are forcing windows 10 as a requirement

>>388676023
When I was a little sperg in the 90s I got a letter published in EGM where I was complaining about that. Charlie's Angels had a naked drew barrymore going unnoticed by 2 kids playing FF8 I mean come the fuck on

>>388673874
how can PCfats even recover?

How fucking poor can you be to not have a ps4 and a pc setup?

I like not having to rebuy old games I still own just to play them again.

>>388676890
>he is so idiot he bought a 400 dollar video card to play blizzard affirmative action garbage

>>388674603
>Shovelware
Do you even know what that means?

>>388673623
a laptop for mobas/mmos
a console for comfy couch gaming
anything else is consumer victims and manbabies

>>388674610
This.

The digital games I bought last gen still work, I don't need to buy them again despite new hardware

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>Sony launched the PS4 Pro to attract the PC crowd
>It fucking bombed
>Now the PS4 has become an exclusive machine
>Sony is not okay with this
>Sony is going the way of Nintendo

>he fell for the video games meme
Lmao

>>388673623
I use to think ps4 was the masterrace until i bought a good pc.

>>388673623
Total War

>>388677153
>spending ~1000$ for a PeasantStation and a Laptop

>>388673623
More frames, thats about it if you dont care about graphics. Hell, many games cant even maintain 30FPS on a PS4.

>>388677963
I bought a good PC for $1500 and regret wasting the money.

>>388678223
instead of a $2k indie 8bit machine right
and dont forget to ugrade next year lul
and dust it and cable management lul
lel

lul
lul

>>388673623
Need to do CAD stuff

>>388678336
What's your specs? Post pc

>>388675850
No it doesn't. Not even close. Why lie anon?

just modded 400mill to my GTAO account.
I'm having fun

>>388673874
sureeee

>>388678336
>1500 meme
I paid 550 for an I7 2600 and GTX 1070 build LOL and it will dominate consoles for years to come too.

Other than exclusives, is there any reason to own a PS4?

>>388674396
it's a meme

>>388673623
When is the PS4 get a new game?

It's stuck in 2014 forever...

Even the Xbox One is releasing more games than this piece of shit.

>>388673623
>60fps
>1080p
>muh graphics
>cheaper upfront custom built
>custom built has customization and individuality
>super easy to build
>retards think building your own pc is impressive
>more games
>cheaper games
>native keyboard, mouse, & controller support
>can do two things at once such as watching a video while listing PC pros on 4chan
>better social features, steam, discord ect.
>emulators.
>if you ever stop being lazy you can make games on it
>multiple screens
>upgrade single component for cheaper about the same time you upgrade a whole console for more
>mods
>can purchase games from different sellers (humble bundle, gog, steam, ect.)
>FREE ONLINE
eh, nothing really.

>>388678378
This is what having brain damage looks like

>>388678378
Back to redd1t f a m.

>>388678336
>$1500

How? I spent $700 on mine and it runs fine. The only thing I need to spend money on is replacing an outdated graphics card, and the only reason I haven't done that yet is making sure I have enough for vacation and student loans.

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>>388677153
>gaming on a laptop

plebian

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>>388678459

>>388678752
>>388678783
lel
>t. guys who have bowsed the internet to look for cables in the color that matches their gpu
lul
kek lel hahaha

>>388678336
Why would you spend $1500 on a PC for games you don't even like? I refuse to believe anyone is this retarded. It's like if I bought a Switch but hated Mario/Zelda and other Nintendo exclusives.

>>388674610
What's a PC good for? Serious question. All the good games are on consoles, all PC has are western multiplats with kill whitey allegories and ports of old Japanese games. PS4 has the same multiplats as PC and the distinct advantage of playing Japanese games 2+ years before PC does.

>>388678590
Are you actually retarded? Or are you just pretending?

>>388678950
>being mentally retarded
Sorry for your parents

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>>388673707
Your eyes literally cannot perceive the difference between 30 and 60 fps.
>pic related
Try to spot the difference.
Protip: you can't

>>388678378
i like the part where you think "cable management" is some sort of routine maintenance procedure. your brain must be very smooth, i'm sure.

>>388678880
>speccy

kek

>>388678880
>monitor isn't even 1080p
Unless you paid $1500 in monopoly money you got ripped off.

>>388678665
>>388678843
A 1070 alone costs $600 in Canada.

>>388679089
>t.guy who bought an antistatic bracelet and a set of small screwdrivers to tinker his walking simulator machine jaahahahah
hahahahaha

el oh el

>>388679148
Fuck off I can totally see the difference if I stare close enough.

>>388679148
you had me going there for a second, anon.

>>388679265
>hurrduredurruhrududurhrururuuhhurururuhduuuurururuururhhuuuurrruhuhr hahahahahahah el oh ell

t. you

>>388679002
I wanted to play PUBG and FFXIV and I enjoy them but feel it wasnt worth it especially since PUBG is coming to xbox now.

>>388679252
what happened with GPU prices? I bought a 1070 last year for like $375. granted, i had a small discount from jet, but regular price was only a little over $400.

>>388679468
>spent $1500 to play 2 multiplats
Yep you're definitely retarded.

>>388673623
other than being a tool, is there any reason to make a pc/console warrior thread?

>>388673623
What are you using to shitpost right now. If it's a phone kindly gtfo

>>388674807
but why cheat on games? like whats the reason to aimbot or wallhack?

>>388674610
>currently 3 games im interested in on the PS4
>have to pay ~$350 + 60/yr to play them
>still would only get unstable 30fps
>have dozens of games on my PC backlog, many of which I'm more interested in anyway

Its not even that I cant afford to get them, I just don't see the point

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>tfw too intelligent for consolewars

>>388678880
holy shit you got ripped off hard

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>>388673623
good thread

i also like the part where u figured that out
where did i say that cm is a rutine procedure fa m?
did your mustard race brainelt malfunction a bit there?
pssst i heard linus released and new video sponsored by intel
who might wanna go there fast to commect and like the video or the other guys in the speccy thread wont show you their new screenshots

>>388679513
Canada's banana republic economy makes their dollar a joke, memecoin mining spiked GPU prices though it mostly affected AMD cards, Nvidia's GPU prices were fairly stable especially the upper end cards

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>>388679864

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>>388673623
Classic Doom & Doom wads
Hexen 2
Quake 1-3
Unreal Tournament
Return to castle wolfenstein
System Shock 2
Deus Ex
Roguelikes, fangames and h-games

Best part is you can enjoy all that and more, along with emulation on a shitty laptop and still have plenty of fucking vidya to play

>>388679841
i think you missed the point of that meme

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>>388679860
This list seems longer compared to the last time I saw this image.
Someone's gonna fall for it regardless.

>>388680047
okay okay you got me
btw care to post your mlp figures?
i heard you have a super rare one

>>388679009
saving money and multitasking mostly. you don't know how much I prefer doing work on a decent pc with an i5 at least. I can't go back to weaker pc's. On top of that, the occasional good indie game that releases on PC, good ports, and better overall experiences.

>>388680327
See, I understand getting a PC if you're already planning on using it for work. Getting it as a game platform is fucking stupid, considering how often the platform is neglected and ignored.

>>388679468
holy shit, are you actually retarded?

>>388673623
>60fps
>modding that isnt aids
>piracy
>can use controler if you want to for who knows why
>can swap out parts when you want to without buying a whole new system
>can add storage when you want
>SSD's

>>388680526
>how often the platform is neglected and ignored

Elaborate, what am I missing out on? I've been playing on only pc for about 5 years now, and I feel like it was a good decision compared to when I only gamed on consoles, especially considering how shit this last generation has been.

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>>388673623
Can someone explain this Bloodborne meme or why I as a PC gamer should be jealous because of it?

I played Dark Souls 3 and it was mediocre at best.

I look at Bloodborne and it lookst he exact same but with less variety, 20 FPS instead of 60 and shit gameplay flaws like this.

Explain From Software fans to me, please.

>>388680526
>neglected and ignored
how, exactly? by giving us a 50% discount on games released 3 months ago? Or how most steam games are 25% cheaper for third world countries? Or how we get ports of games with much better graphics and numerous quality of life improvements? also, you've been asking questions about why we prefer gaming on pc's but multiple anons have already answered them, do you even read the thread?

>>388680923
It's exclusive and edgy. The sonybro deluxe.

Game sucks.

>>388673623
wtf, PC isn't just about gaming you know that right?

>>388673623
2 years later and Sonybro's can still only play the "muh Bloodborne" card
Sad!

>>388673980
This. Member those good 'ol MS Paint princess porn? Those are made on the PC™.

>>388675698
>You'd be right if you weren't buying a new GPU every two years.
Are you retarded? My GPU from 2015 still 2017 games well.

Personally, I have a hard time dealing with consoles because they're so closed off. They're essentally the worst kind of DRM, one that goes all the way to the hardware level.

Ps4 hardware, for example, feels like the equivalent of mandatory steam installations ontop of a mandatory windows 10 installation, with a sprinkling of denuvo and securom. I just can't consider that a good deal, especially when you have to pay an online fee for it ontop of it.

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>>388680923
simple

>>388679009
PS4 can't backwards compatibility.

>>388679379
haha

The human eye can't see past 24 fps. It is impossible to see past 24 fps. It's all placebo and 60 fps, in fact, makes it less cinematic. PCfags asshurt.

>>388680923
youre so lucky you cant play it
you see, psbros have it as their flag cuz they know you cant have it
the truth is its a terrible game
all you need to know is in that webm you have saved
imagine 30 hrs of this
i cant understand people you can sit through that
i mean my boyfriend has a platinum in that and he still wont play ark no matter how many times i tell him that the physics is better
go figure

>>388680923
In order of importance:
(1) Gameplay is much better since there is no shields meme you can hide behind. It's still possible to run a "magic" build but imo its much less fun than in DS, which prevents that cheese as well

(2) The bug memes you always see posted don't really happen at any considerable level. I've never had a gameplay breaking bug like the one you posted in either of my 100% playthroughs

(3) If you enjoy lovecraft this is probably the closest you'll get to it as a video game. The setting, artstyle, music, and atmosphere far surpasses DS.

(3) Story is still From-level of vague but way better than the entire souls series of renigs, plot holes, and general fuckery since its a self-contained game with no clear design for a sequel.

I'll admit the 30fps thing does kinda suck, no way around that, but despite detracting from the gameplay a bit it certainly doesn't run the experience.

>>388679894
>nvidia prices were stable
gtx760 launched for 200$ in canada, a 1050 is 200$.
wow from mid tier to low tier for the same price, thanks jewvidia.
mean while rx570 or 1060 for only 300$ canadian = AMD still the only company pricing correctly.

>>388681474
Give Steam or Skype, please.

>>388673623
mods
emulation
all other shit pc can do and console can't

>>388681408
>The human eye can't see past 24 fps. It is impossible to see past 24 fps. It's all placebo and 60 fps, in fact, makes it less cinematic. PCfags asshurt.
Fuck off, PSfaggot. At least PCs could play The Game.

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>>388673874

>>388673623
more of a selection including most third party movie games

>>388674385
>what ia g2a
don't join arguments if you lack basic information about issue

>>388681505
I could even defend shit.

1) The brown is actually very compelling and ruminates the relevance and the beauty of nature and earth itself.

2) The smell actually isn't bad. It's a signal that lets you know your nervous system is functioning and you are used to good food. In a way, good food is only good because of this smell, which makes this smell just as important and a great thing we should be thankul for.

3) A turd can come in all possible shapes and forms and is very unique amid turds of all different species.

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It goes like this.

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>>388680923
Bloodborne is just game of the decade, best souls game and better than Witcher 3 or BotW that makes all mad.

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>>388681505
It's bad, mate.

>>388674610
that's like having BMW and Twingo but only one garage, why not get rid of the twingo

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>>388681848
>cinematic movie game is Game of the decade

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>>388680923
its just real game of the deacde better than witcher 3 or BotW

>>388681878
>its another "i abuse the one combat-related trick i only saw in speedruns" episode

Are you going to claim OOT was bad because cosmo beat it in under an hour too?

>>388681836
My almonds are at critical mass attempting to percieve why xbox would be in its current place ironically or unironically.

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>>388673623
Okay legitimately are all these threads just bait? I get owning a console but are there really as many people who think pc isn't the best as it seems? I'm not even trying to be inflammatory, this just seems insane to me.

>>388681789
Can you point out your argument somewhere in your shitpost?

you have to pay more at the start to get into PC gaming but in the long run its cheaper or about the same price. and you get true 4k 60fps.

i still have a console and its only use is to play those few exclusives.

>>388682202
this, it blows my mind how people actually fight over this

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>Own every platform and play niche PC shit on a laptop
>PC friend tries to convince me to build a PC
>List off games I already play
>Front runner PC exclusive to build a PC for is Heroes of the Storm

It's not that "Lol I can play that on PC xD" it's "Why should I spend more money to play that on PC?". PC gamers eat up that early access scam shit, fuck off.

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>>388682247
That you can defend everything if you're high enough in verbal (or/and have enough time which is always a given online).

Your rhetorics don't change it's 20 FPS at times, it's repetitive as fuck, basically has no music which is just RIDICULOUS for a JRPG and should never be accepted, especially when you hold Sakamoto captive and there are tons of questionable glitches and flaws.

Almost like every From game ever made.

>>388682189
Because the Scorpio represents far better value for money than a PC with similar internal architecture would, along with far superior emulation of both Xbox Original and Xbox 360 Games.

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>>388682349
>I enjoy playing at subpar resolution, shit framerates, paying for internet twice, and having worse models, textures, and sound quality

I mean, that's cool anon, but the rest of us don't have a low IQ like you do.

>>388682552
whats bad about that wemb?
rly asking here

>be PCfag
>get a ps4 and play bloodborne
>n-never ever....
It was pretty good too.

>>388682552
>has no music
oh so like stalker, the best fps experience ive ever had

>>388674610
Why should I get a PS4?

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>Not being an idort

The only system I really question owning is the XBox. At least the Playstation and Nintendo systems have some exclusives that are interesting enough to warrant getting their systems. With the XBox most of their exclusives are just some type of First or Third person shooter or racer which there are tons of all three of those on other platforms.

>>388682349
>PC gamers eat up that early access scam shit, fuck off.
Meanwhile Ark is more popular than 95% of PS4's exclusives and Xbonefags are clamoring for PUBG.

What else do you need? Piracy is the Dark Souls of consumerism. You have to jump through all the dark trenches of the internet in order to achieve entertainment.

Paying money for game is basically p2w.

>>388674135
nigga I can see when my monitor has 1 frame of screen tearing and it makes me want to kill myself or splurge for a $400 adaptive sync screen

>>388682552
name one good game. because you are full of shit.

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>>388682683
>Because the Scorpio represents far better value for money than a PC

>>388681343
imbecile

>>388682898
>jump through all the dark trenches of the internet
thepiratebay
click magnet
hit install
done

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>>388682989
Gladly. Have my GOTY recommendations.

>>388679009
How can one post be this wrong? It's like you actually have brain damage.

To shitpost on 4chan

>>388683129
hey let me show you the pixel games that run on 60fps on my 3k dorrar machine

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>388682552

>20fps
never seen it drop that low, maybe 27 a handful of times sure, and I admitted that it does detract from the game, but as I said, it doesn't ruin the experience

>repetitive as fuck
what is repetitive? the combat? if you think so you've not really played the game or tried to play at a level of difficulty beyond "dash in, spam attack, get hit, run out, vial, go back in and repeat"

>no music
simply not true, idk what you expect me to argue here, go listen to the OST if you don't believe me

Just because I don't post like a tard doesn't invalidate my arguments. If you don't like video games maybe you shouldn't post here?

>>388682894
>pinnacle of pc gaming is minecrafting and 3rd person shooting

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>>388683232
>I value graphics over good gameplay and optimized performance

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>>388673623
nope

>>388675910
Steam keys routinely go for $30 at launch and quickly down to $20

>>388683309
>optimized performance
DUDE THE VITA CAN RUN THOSE GAMES

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHAHAHA
60FPS FOR PIXELS HAHAHAHA
IF YOU WANT STORIES GO READ BOOKS NERD
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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>>388683129
>doesn't like from games

>posts the 2d clone of from games as goty

well geeze my dude, maybe you should kys

>>388673623
I can play every good game released in the past 25 years.

>>388673623
You can be loudmouthed and arrogant and complain all the time.

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>>388673623
>Game is made by pirates and hackers
>Game is good because of pirates and hackers
>console players still pretend piracy is evil because their corporate masters told them they are

Why are console kiddos retarded?

>>388683476
>>388683402
>I only play mature games for mature gamers
Whatever you say little Timmy.

>>388683402
But anon, the games he listed are 100% gameplay and no story unlike 80% of ps4 exclusives that all have way too much story and the story is shit all of the time

>>388683129
i liked hotline miami and lisa more

>>388674271
>all of which exist on consoles

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>>388673623
>he says as he posts from a PC that his mom bought him

>>388682805

I'm an idort here are my personal reason;

-ESO has a much fun community than PC since tryharding with UI overlays isn't a thing. I also think it's actually the healthiest platform for ESO.
-Halo Wars 2 is dead as fuck on PC
-I prefer playing competitive games on Xbox since it attracts a more mature audience
-Diablo 3 and PoE feel better on a controller
-Backwards compatibility is pretty nifty and I've come to really enjoy having a bunch of 360 games since I never owned a 360

The rest of the reasons I own an Xbox is entirely because of family sharing with my younger brother. Saves me assloads of money instead of both of us buying on separate Steam accounts. Really tho my reasons are very specific and I can understand the dilemma of why even bothering having both, they are practically the same platform at this point.

Why are PC Neckbeards always massive SJWs?

>>388682906
No you don't

>>388683802
cuz half of them jerkoff to guys in panties

>>388675056
Why buy killzone if you can get Halo?, is basically a rip-off of halo.

>>388678880
How did you manage to buy a PC considerably less powerful than mine for $500 more? Were you going out of your way to spend money?

>>388683562
what are the most mature new games, no dwarf fortress or dad games pls

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I like video games

>>388683954
not in the slightest

>>388684112
I don't play games for maturity. I'm already an adult, I don't need to further validate it.

>>388678880
?????

I have an R5 1600/GTX 1060 6GB and this build costed me about $700-800

>>388684137
all garbage or on console.

>>388680923
Soulsfags are dumb as fuck and literally think making souls but with theme XYZ is the best shit ever.

>>388684137
>all console games in the last 20 years
lol

>>388684251
On multiple different consoles, actually.
And no, I made sure that every game on there is of some level of quality.

>>388683129
Honestly commit suicide. Your taste is so shit that it hurts. DO you play video games on a $300 compute from 5 years ago, if all you can play is pixel shit? The only good game in the ones you listed was AM2R, everything else is just not that good

>>388674610
I have ps4 slim and good PC; objectively better than the pro.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6__TvBzAVj8

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SPREADSHEETS MOTHERFUCKER

>>388679009
Because a PC will probably play the multiplats better. I dont want to play GTA V or some other game at 30fps at okay settings.

>>388684340
What is wrong with "pixel shit"? As long as it's good, what do the graphics matter? Games like Dwarf Fort even prove that you can have nothing but ASCII graphics and still make a damn fine product.

>b-but muh 4000 dollar PC

If you can't build your own PC at a price point comparable to consoles, then you'll obviously be paying more. It's the prebuilt tax.

>>388673623
I like having a platform for my weeb games and muh grand strategy. Most weeb games are also available on consoles, but grand strategy certainly isn't. What if a game I want is on a console but not a PC? Then I buy the console once it happens enough times. Have a great day, anon.

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>>388684409
>>>/g/
kek

>>388683954
>buying fps games
Literally the worst genre in existence

>>388683607
"lore" is really the other half that makes souls games good and bloodborne got some mindbobling depths.

>>388684359

>loud defective units
I don't care so I'm not going to click the video but everyone I know with a PS4 of any kind has a 'loud but fully functional' unit.

>>388684626
My slim is very quiet though.

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literally every fucking thing from flower to rock have its story in bloodborne, if some one can give me one thing in bloodbornes world that dont have backstory i will go to sleep.

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PCniggers will never be able to play pic related, TLoU, Nioh, Horizon, Disgaea 5, Injustice 2, Until Dawn and much more

>>388673623
h games

>>388685084
>RPCS3 plays P5 perfectly and TLOU is on PSNow lol.

>>388673707
i would say >60 fps gameplay. I love games at 100 fps and more.

emulation is great, the games are great. I like being able to multi task and have multiple monitors. I prefer keyboard and mouse.

>>388685084
>Persona 5
May come to PC
>The Last of Us
An actual never ever
>Nioh
Probably a never ever, but may hold the possibility of a PC release
>Horizon
An actual never ever
>Disgaea 5
This will come to PC
>Injustice 2
May come to PC
>Until Dawn
An actual never ever

>>388685084
>we'll never be able to play 6 movies

But I already have youtube?

https://www.vg247.com/2017/08/29/microsofts-open-invitation-to-valve-nintendo-and-others-to-join-xbox-one-and-pc-crossplay/

Why is Sony so anti-consumer?

>>388684586
>what is wrong with "pixel shit"
Nothing is wrong with it, but there are much better games than the ones you listed for each year, and shit like Runner 2 and Terraria don't even come close.
>2012
Yakuza 5, Darkness 2, Black Mesa
>2013
Metal Gear Rising, Metro Last Light, Papers Please, Saints Row IV
>2014
MGSV GZ, Wolfenstein The New Order
>2015
Witcher 3, Bloodborne, Resident Evil Revelations 2, Dragon Quest Heroes, REmake HD
>2016
Dragon Quest Builders, Shadow Warrior 2, RE0 HD, the good versions of RE5 and 6, Gravity Rush
>2017
Yakuza 0 and Kiwami, Resident Evil VII, Sonic Mania, Nier Automata, Gravity Rush 2, DR1+2 and AE
>Game of the Generation
Hands down Danganronpa 2 for not being a cynical chore of a game, Yakuza 0 and Gravity Rush are close runner ups though.
You just have shit taste and only play $2 budget games as you obviously can't afford nor handle anything else. Seriously, Terraria is your game of the generation? Another dull crafting game but this time in 2D?

>>388675698

Meanwhile I've had my computer for almost 4 years (290x) and it still runs most titles at 60 FPS with a little bit of tweaking, and the Pro or Xbox One X can't even manage Destiny 2 at 60 FPS.

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>>388683129
>AC-kun

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>>388685593
>Nothing is wrong with it, but there are much better games than the ones you listed for each year
>proceeds to list cinematic movie games like Yakuza, Metal Gear, Bloodborne, Gravity Rush, Nier, and Danganronpa

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>>388675698
I can not only run modern games at full speed on a 970, I can run them at 4k max settings. In a few years I'll just have to go down to 1080p. No need to buy a new GPU frequently.

>>388685593
What a suprise you only listed games available on PS3/4, even if they're extremely mediocre

>Game of the Generation
>Danganronpa 2
What the fuck

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>>388685825
Danganronpa 2 IS pretty great tbqh famalam

>>388685929
What if I want to play a GAME, though? I can watch Danganronpa on youtube and miss nothing.

>>388686070
You miss the struggle of trying to figure out where someone is contradicting evidence anon. Watching someone play it doesn't give you the satisfaction of finally figuring out what lie or incorrect statement someone said within a set time limit.

>>388675698
Console cuc.k spotted.

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>>388678479
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGf4SVWEw2g

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iipDWbd6HNg

>>388675698
>buying a new console every 2 years because [Third party] dropped the older service

>>388686213
The problem is that this relies on me caring about the story, while having terrible gameplay. Might as well play Gone Home.

Are there seriously people who don't have a good pc and a console?

How poor are you?

>>388685743
>cinematic movie games
>yakuza
Except it has actual deep combat and mechanics, and it feels like it has a soul behind it. Also, it's cutscenes are actually interesting and fun to watch, and all interaction in the world is fun.
>metal gear
Cutscenes get a bit lengthy, especially in 4, but Metal Gear always had varied and interesting gameplay. Sure, TPP and PW ruined that, but GZ nailed the format while having minimal cutscenes, and all of them skippable.
>Gravity Rush
How is Gravity Rush a cinematic movie game? The game that forgets it's supposed to have a story and ends up being a slice of life anime at times? It also has original gameplay and cool design choices.
>Nier
It's a fun game with a fun story.
>Danganronpa
I'll give you that, Danganronpa does have minimal gameplay, but it doesn't pretend to be a game like Mass Effect or Last of Us. It knows it's a visual novels and makes jokes about it in the game, and DR2 was honestly one of the most heartwarming and fun experiences I've had in awhile. Also, AE is a TPS and not a visual novel.
>>388685825
>you only listed games available on PS3/4
I own a PS3 and PS4 because Sony has games I like and enjoy. If I can play it on PC, I will.
>What the fuck
I explained why I thought it was great, because it didn't attempt to be cynical or pander to anyone except for little references for people who played the first game. It was a fun experience that left me satisfied and I didn't feel like it was missing anything or needed more of anything. Also, the ending is great, a perfect ending for the DR series(at least the HPA arc), until they made DR2.5 and 3, which ruined the ending of 2

>Have several browser tabs open
>With video playing on another monitor
>And various other shit open on another monitor
>Can still play vidya at 90+ fps on a 1440p monitor
Could consoles even theoretically do this?

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>TFW PC players are so mad about having all their game ports being trash that most of them only focus on things like "muh 1080p" and "muh 60 fps"
>When the Xbox One X is announced, PC Bros backpedal to "muh tickrate"
It never ends.

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>>388686502
Most game ports are good though. Even some of the ones people complain about aren't really all that bad port wise.

>>388686432
>Except it has actual deep combat and mechanics,
Pseudo quick time events are far from deep.

>Cutscenes get a bit lengthy,
A "bit" lengthy? 8+ hours is hardly my idea of a "bit".

>The game that forgets it's supposed to have a story and ends up being a slice of life anime at times?
That's exactly how. I don't care about the slutty main character, tell her to keep quiet and let me play the game. Enough with the cutscenes.

>It's a fun game with a fun story.
A game that plays itself with 10+ hours of cutscenes is hardly my idea of a "fun" game.

>I'll give you that, Danganronpa does have minimal gameplay, but it doesn't pretend to be a game like Mass Effect or Last of Us
Therefore I consider it garbage. Whether it "pretends to be a game" or not, it's automatically bad if it isn't a game.

>>388675698
There is no reason to do that. Only those who wish to do that. I usually wait till i can't play games at mid-high graphics. My 970 can still play things at high-ultra

>>388686717
>A game that plays itself with 10+ hours of cutscenes

All the cutscenes in the game combined are around a total of 5 hours
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0Cj8-0lHXs
In a 40-60 hour game depending on what pace you play it at and if you 100% it or not you over-exaggerating fuck

>>388686502
>>388686651
Reminder that every single console port is inferior to the PC port. Every single one.

>>388687010
>In a 40-60 hour game
Yes, time spent button mashing against braindead enemies and "DUDE EPIC LMAO" meme bosses that emphasize style over substance. Not unlike every single RPG to come out in the past decade, like Final Fantasy 13 or FFXV. So again, not enough gameplay to justify the crappy overrated, over-inflated story which is shoved in your face constantly.

>>388673623
f2p mobashit that runs on toasters and shovelware that only makes it through steam greenlight

>>388686717
>pseudo quick time events are from deep
Heat moves you have to work to use aren't the entire combat system.
>8+ hours isn't my idea of a 'bit'
That's why the cutscenes are fun to watch and completely skippable. You can skip all the cutscenes and still have a good game.
>I don't care about the slutty main character
The amnesiac cute girl who is probably a lesbian is a slut.
>enough with the cutscenes
You can skip them or click through them if they're one of the panel cutscenes.
>A game that plays itself with 10+ hours of cutscenes is hardly my idea of a "fun" game.
A game having cutscenes doesn't make it less of a game. What makes a game less of a game is when they do what Spec Ops the Line did, and just make it a TPS with no new or interesting mechanics just to tell a story. Naughty Dog does this, Bioware does this, God of War now does this. That's what makes a bad game. Skippable cutscenes aren't.
Who am I kidding, you never even played any of the games I listed. You just make shit up to sound like you know what you're talking about, when in reality you probably own a budget laptop and are probably jobless and in high school.
>it's automatically bad if it isn't a game
Not all games have to be 100% gameplay. They can have minimal gameplay if there's proper execution, and DR2 has proper execution when it comes to that. It has minimal gameplay outside of Investigation and Trials, but its VN side is still fun to play.

>>388687243
And once denuvo is cracked, this will include Sonic Mania.

>>388687308
>Heat moves you have to work to use aren't the entire combat system.
Not like the rest of the system is worth using, or even worth mentioning.

>that's why the cutscenes are fun to watch
I'm playing a video game, I don't want to watch a damn thing. And due to Metal Gear's crappy optimization, even if I skip them I still have to deal with loading times and other trash.

>The amnesiac cute girl who is probably a lesbian is a slut.
She also blabs way too much, and has too many cutscenes focused on her.

>You can skip them or click through them if they're one of the panel cutscenes.
Just like with Metal Gear, I'm not paying full price for a game I have to skip 90% just to not fall asleep.

>A game having cutscenes doesn't make it less of a game.
>Not all games have to be 100% gameplay.
Stopped reading there sony. If I want to watch a movie I'll rent something off of netflix. I ain't paying 60 bucks for a """"game""" that considers gameplay to be problematic.

>>388674610
NO YOU DONT IDORT

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>>388674610
>not have a PC, PS4 Pro, and a Switch

>>388680090
Add System Shock 1 and Postal 2 to that list.

>>388673623
Is there any reason to own a console other than 1 good game a year at best?

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>>388673623
Is that supposed to be Chad Warden?

>>388687634
>Not like the rest of the system is worth using, or even worth mentioning.
It's worth more mention than Runner 2, a game with derivative gameplay and unoriginal ideas up the ass
>I'm playing a video game, I don't want to watch a damn thing
You don't have to. They're skippable. Every single cutscene is skippable, with the exception of 5 seconds at the end of MGS4 and the credits.
>And due to Metal Gear's crappy optimization, even if I skip them I still have to deal with loading times and other trash.
Never had issues like that with any of the games. Only time someone would experience that issue is if they didn't fully install MGS4 or are trying to play MGSV on a toaster. MGSV was one of the more well optimized games of the generation, given the fact that it's on the FOX Engine.
>has too many cutscenes focused on her
She's the main character.
>I have to skip 90%
Hardly. Cutscenes are at most 10% in most games, usually down to 5%, and are usually completely skippable.
>just not to fall asleep
Do you have ADHD or something? You don't like games that aren't just mindless gameplay with no point or reason behind, and in your case, usually derivative of something else? I've found myself bored by the games you listed, as well as games like Minecraft or those trashy multiplayer only games.
>I ain't paying 60 bucks for a """game""""
Good thing the DR games are usually pretty cheap and DRV3 is only full price because it's finally getting a full console release.
>that considers gameplay to be problematic
DR doesn't find the gameplay to be problematic. It embraces the fact that it's a game, it loves it, the story of DR2 is the fact that the characters are in the game, and for V3, it's that the games are all fictional
Games that don't like being games are usually third person shooters or movie tie-ins. A game having cutscenes doesn't make it less of a game, you only say that because you clearly have mental issues like ADHD

>>388679780
>+60/yr to play them
>he wants to play shitty multiplayer games

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>>388685593
>Yakuza 0 and gravity rush
Jesus fucking Christ my man

>>388688536
They were fun games. I really liked them and they never stopped being fun, even in the cutscenes

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Guess I know where this thread is going, have fun arguing for another few hours with him anon.

>>388688390
>It's worth more mention than Runner 2,
Runner 2 at least argues its merits on gameplay instead of a big hollywood cinematic production.

>You don't have to. They're skippable. Every single cutscene is skippable, with the exception of 5 seconds at the end of MGS4 and the credits.
Big fat lie right there. Only SOME of the cutscenes are skippable. Incase you're wondering what I refer to, MGS3 summed it up perfectly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgaYe4ZYYyY

Trashy cinematic "moments" like this are littered throughout the entire series, and they exist solely to be pretentious fart-sniffing for kojima who fancies himself an "artist".

>MGSV was one of the more well optimized games of the generation, given the fact that it's on the FOX Engine.
And yet they couldn't figure out a system of deliverring gameplay that didn't rely on hour after hour of stupid cutscenes.

>She's the main character.
Exactly. She's supposed to keep quiet and let me play the game. I don't care about her hurt feelings, I just wanna platform and kick some asses.

>Hardly. Cutscenes are at most 10% in most games, usually down to 5%, and are usually completely skippable.
Unless you count the cinematic moments meant to be "deep" and "epic", again like the MGS3 example I posted above.

>Do you have ADHD or something?
No, I just don't find it appealing for a game to need a story to justify itself. Did Minecraft need a plot? Did Tetris need a plot? if you took out the story behind Super Mario Brothers, would that suddenly become uninteresting?

>Good thing the DR games are usually pretty cheap
True. I can play them for free on youtube.

>DR doesn't find the gameplay to be problematic.
Which is why it's a visual novel. lol.

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Bloodborne are you even trying now PScuck?

>>388681920
>bloodborne
>cinematic
How does it feel to be a brainlet, anon?

>>388688917
How does it feel to defend 30 FPS?

>>388687247
>moving the goalpost

>>388682552
>repetitive
Let me guess, you are one of those faggots that will spam maybe 1 or 2 sword combos for the entirety of dmc4 and then will call the game repetitive, am I right?

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>>388673623
Well, it's a bit of a multi purpose machine. Work, play, media server... I don't play many games on mine, because I prefer the offerings on the other platforms, but there always end up being a game or two that makes me want to have a PC.

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>>388688994
>moving the goalpost
even if most of the people on this thread are flaseflaggers on both sides doesn't mean you should be one

>>388688857
>Runner 2 at least argues its merits on gameplay
Derivative gameplay that has been seen before
>big hollywood cinematic production.
Not exactly how I'd describe the Yakuza series. It's a crime drama 3D beat em up you never played.
>only SOME of the cutscenes are skippable
The ladder climb is a cooldown moment meant for after going through many intense situations and is there to prepare you for the final acts of the game.
>And yet they couldn't figure out a system of deliverring gameplay that didn't rely on hour after hour of stupid cutscenes.
MGSV is criticized for its lack of cutscenes. They usually last about 30 seconds each and are all skippable.
>I just wanna platform and kick some asses
There are many, many fucking games where you can do just that. Why complain about games with cutscenes in them if you can go and play other fucking games, there are hundreds of games that fit that description, they're called platformers.
>No, I just don't find it appealing for a game to need a story to justify itself.
The story is there because the devs wanted it there. Resident Evil was originally planned to have no story, and the devs going back to add a story improved it, Yakuza Kiwami's story improves the game by giving you reason to beat up these people.
>Did Minecraft need a plot
Shit game
>Did Tetris need a plot
Fun game that is free or at most $2 and has one constant gameplay that never changes.
>if you took out the story behind Super Mario Brothers, would that suddenly become uninteresting?
That'd remove the princess. At the end of Mario, you'd beat Bowser and the game would end. You'd have achieved nothing and it would've felt like Mario achieved nothing.
>Which is why it's a visual novel
With gameplay. The class trials are fun, interesting and the gameplay they have is original, with the exception of DR2's skateboard minigame. The investigation is gameplay, you look for clues, the daily life is gameplay where you learn about people.

>>388688917
That I can agree with, 30 fps sucks but you are still a brainlet for considering it a movie game when it has somewhere around 9 minutes of cutscenes. Calling it a movie just because it runs at 30 fps is retarded.

>>388688994
>>388689831 meant for you.

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>>388673623
I don't know why anyone would ever say PC doesn't have games. PC has literal DECADES of games to draw from.

>>388689617
is that other guy really arguing about story and cutscenes in games are bad

>>388690168
Yes, and his game of the year for 2013 was Runner 2, and his game of the generation is fucking Terraria

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>>388689975
it's flaseflaggers and shitposters
>>388690239
terraria is very good but that guy is a retard and saying runner 3 is the best game of 2013 he must have brain damage

>>388675698
>You'd be right if you weren't buying a new GPU every two years.
I bought my previous GPU, GTX 560ti, in 2011, when I built the PC I'm using right now. It ran all games just beautifully up until these very days at 1080p/60fps.
Bought a 6GB GTX 1060 and finally replaced it last week.

People who NEED to upgrade every 2-3 years clearly bought way too low-end card.

>>388690168
ACFag, show this nice anon your GOTY list for this year. I'm sure that'll clear up his opinion on you.

>>388690536
who is this ACFag does the ac stand for Assassin's Creed

>>388689462
>>388689831
>>388689938
How is that falseflagging? There is no reason for a game to be locked to a framerate below 60 unless you do it intentionally, or you're absurdly incompetent. You can tell they obviously did it for that "silky smooth cinematic feel". There is no reason to believe otherwise. They couldn't even give it a stable FPS at launch, and needed months of patches, which still don't hold up in all areas. Please, tell me why I shouldn't discard that as a movie game.

>>388689617
>Derivative gameplay that has been seen before
Being derivative isn't bad. What's important is that it's polished and isn't trying to be a damn movie.

>It's a crime drama 3D beat em up you never played.
And would you play it without the stupid crime drama plot? Is the game heavily reliant on the story, to the point where you wouldn't touch it unless the cinematics were there? If so, then the gameplay is bad. If you would play it without the cinematics, then they exist as nothing more than clutter that shouldn't be in the game.

>The ladder climb is a cooldown moment
So MGS is so afraid of being a videogame that it needs to stop you from having fun with long, forced, drawn out cinematic segments where you do nothing but press a single button.

>MGSV is criticized for its lack of cutscenes
This is because the majority of metal gear fans hate video games, and will advocate for MGS to have less gameplay. They just want a "deep kino story" and nothing more. Not exactly a good metric.

>Why complain about games with cutscenes in them if you can go and play other fucking games,
Because you want to advocate them as game of the year material, which implies that you think they're better than my favorite games. Obviously I'm going to make an argument as to why I disagree.

>The story is there because the devs wanted it there.
Sonic Mania has Denuvo DRM because the devs wanted it. guess that makes it an objectively good feature and not bloat designed to screw the customer.

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>>388679009
>FPS, MOBAS, RTS, MMORPGS
i don't know anon why would you.

>>388689617
>Shit game
Not the best game, I'll admit, but I wouldn't exactly say you have a pedestal to stand on when you praise movies like Metal Gear instead.

>Fun game that is free
Ahh, but I was under the assumption that games can't be fun unless they have story. Guess you changed your mind?

>That'd remove the princess.
Yes, and? Doki Doki Panic didn't need that (or for you gaijin, Super Mario Brothers 2 American version). Is that game somehow bad because Mario isn't rescuing a princess? Shoot, the entire plot means nothing because it was ultimately a dream. Does that undermine the gameplay?

>With gameplay
Then it wouldn't be a visual novel.

>>388673623
Other than Bloodborne, is there any reason to own a PS4?

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>>388690791
Armored Core, and since I don't feel like explaining much right now, here's his 2015 GOTY list.
His shitposting really is entertaining to me though

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>>388673623
Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft don't allow games rated A by the ESRB on their systems so overly violent and pornographic games can't be played on them

>>388691101
i dont know what to say he is truly the worst of /v/

>>388673623
Mods
Performance
Better sales and more options to buy games
Not having to rebuy games every gen
Emulation
Multi-tasking

>>388691258
>>388691101
To think I lived to see the day where /v/ would defend AAA corporations because they value graphics over all else. Saaad.

>>388690820
>Being derivative isn't bad. What's important is that it's polished and isn't trying to be a damn movie.
But having a few cutscenes to explain why these guys are beating each other up is bad. Got it, you never played the games and just want to shit on them because you're a deluded fanboy who can only access on system.
>And would you play it without the stupid crime drama plot?
I would but it certainly wouldn't be as enjoyable. The plot of most of the Yakuza games is great and adds to the experience. Without it, the games would still be fun, but they'd lose their reason to be happening. It'd just be a bunch of guys fighting, then some walking, then fighting.
>MGS is so afraid of being a video game
No it isn't, the ladder climb happens after a bunch of intense situations and boss fights and constant intensity just makes the player nervous and anxious. A cooldown moment helps lower those feelings so they'll enjoy the climax and ending.
>This is because the majority of metal gear fans hate video games, and will advocate for MGS to have less gameplay.
Then why was MGS4 hated by the fans for not having enough gameplay? You never actually played these games, have you? You just talk about them to justify your own godawful opinions.
>you think they're better than my favorite games
When your GOTYs are indie shit that any compotent person could make in a few days, yes. Also, nobody asked for your shit opinions. You dumped them here in a thread that is barely attached to them, outside of the fact that you only play games on a 1.4ghz Intel Pentium laptop with 1GB of RAM.
>the story is trying to screw the customer
HOW IS THE STORY COMPARABLE TO DRM YOU FUCKING AUTIST
Go take your ADHD medication before your mum gets mad at you for being up late

>>388691323
The thing I can't stand isn't the opinions, it's the narcissistic nature of the posting, the idea that all opinions must be exactly the same as another. You may not enjoy x game because it has y things in them that I dislike. The entire opinion is mostly subjective, yet is flaunted as if it were fact and anyone who disagrees is just flat out wrong, that's shit behavior for any person, let alone one who wants to be taken seriously.

>>388691101
Are ACfags really that disgusted by souls games or is it just a Bloodborne thing?

>>388673623
>consolebabbies don't realise that PCs are better than consoles in everyway
I haven't touched my ps4 once since buying a good PC two years ago, the only excuse for not owning a gaming PC is that you're too poor.

I only regret not buying one earlier

keyboard and mouse controls, 60+fps, multi-monitor/multitasking support, piracy (twice because it's that fucking useful), alt-tabbing to shitpost on 4chan, (or your homepage, reddit) mods
but as a redditor you've already read the r/pcmasterrace sidebar so you already know all this

>>388681505
>gameplay is better because it has less features
>the bugs you see constantly online didn't happen to me so they don't happen that often
>if you enjoy this faggot meme shit you'll like this
>standalone game has less plot holes than a trilogy
>hardware caps the FPS at a noticeable stutter but it's not that bad
great review

>>388691024
>praise movies like Metal Gear instead
I wouldn't praise them. I only really thought 4 games in the series were good, those being 2-4 and GZ.
>games can't be fun unless they have a story
Never said that. I said the story usually adds to the experience, but if the game is inherently point based like Tetris or most Atari games, it can still be a really good game.
>Is that somehow bad because Mario isn't rescuing a princess?
The story of SMB added a point and reason for what you're doing, which is that you have to save this princess from turtles and mushrooms. It's a goal for the player to reach so that it doesn't feel like Mario is in a purgatory that suddenly ends out of nowhere because the devs ran out of cartridge space.
>does that undermine the gameplay
No, it doesn't really add to it either. I love Doki Doki Panic (at least the GBA remake), but I'd say I prefer SMW or Yoshi's Island because they a) were just better overall games and b) had a goal for the player to reach. Not to say DDP is bad for not having a real goal, but it would've added to the game. Having a goal doesn't detract unless you change Bowser to a white man and make Mario mexican and Peach be the nuke that kills the white race. That'd be an awful goal for your game to have and would ruin the game.
>Then it wouldn't be a visual novel
DR is a visual novel spliced with a detective game. Doesn't mean it can't be a visual novel

>>388691323
To think I lived to see the day where /v/ would suck the cock of indie company's because they value games being non popular over all
else.
Saaad.
>>388691101
acfag really is horrible undertale better than blodborne

>>388691101
look at this http://store.steampowered.com/app/404100/STEEL_STRIDER/
it looks like a flash game why is this on steam it belongs on indiedb

>>388691929
What are the plot holes in Bloodborne? Serious question, I haven't heard about any.

>>388691412
>But having a few cutscenes to explain why these guys are beating each other up is bad.
We shouldn't need cutscenes. That's Hollywood brainwashing you into justifying higher costs that they'll throw onto the consumer.

>I would but it certainly wouldn't be as enjoyable.
That just sounds nonsensical. The fun of a game should come from the interaction.

>It'd just be a bunch of guys fighting, then some walking, then fighting.
Wtf I hate Streets of Rage now?!

>No it isn't, the ladder climb happens after a bunch of intense situations and boss fights and constant intensity just makes the player nervous and anxious.
Who exactly says that you need such a thing again? The more you can get the player's blood pumping, the better. A cooldown period is for artistic movies that think a player might be overwhelmed by evil problematic videogamey stuff like action and fun and entertainment.

>Then why was MGS4 hated by the fans for not having enough gameplay?
Are you kidding? Circa 2010 it was hailed as the best Ps3 exclusive of all time.

>When your GOTYs are indie shit that any compotent person could make in a few days, yes.
So, your next argument is that games need to have massive budgets and development teams, otherwise they aren't good enough. I could list multiple reasons why that reasoning is faulty.

>HOW IS THE STORY COMPARABLE TO DRM YOU FUCKING AUTIST
It's in the game despite my wishes, I have to pay for it, they make it as obnoxious as possible to skip, and it adds nothing to my experience. Sure sounds like DRM to me.

>>388684913
>fags write a bunch of stories about pixels
>this means the game is good
eat shit and die you are a worthless cunt

I can't blow off my online homework by browsing youtube for 3 hours on a ps4.

>>388691947
>if the game is inherently point based like Tetris or most Atari games, it can still be a really good game.
And why is that? Is it because *gasp* the gameplay is well designed and made to be replayable, despite the absence of a story? why do you think that games like Yakuza need it so badly?

>The story of SMB added a point and reason for what you're doing,
There was plenty of reasoning to give you justification to play; there's a giant fire breathing turtle dragon that needs to be beaten to save the kingdom. It's pretty damn self-explanatory, and doesn't even need a cutscene to tell you that. You barely need a blurb in the instruction manual.

>I'd say I prefer SMW or Yoshi's Island because they a) were just better overall games and b) had a goal for the player to reach
They were probably better polished games, but needing an additional goal is completely unnecessary, as the game already gives you a reason to want to play: the gameplay is varied, oftentimes challenging, and there's many ways to approach it.

>>388692327
>that's hollywood brainwashing you into justifying higher costs
The higher costs usually come from the game's development. Because, cutscenes just require a bit a mocap and you can get any rando off the streets in LA to do that, and VAs are a dime a dozen.
>that just sounds nonsensical
You need a reason to be doing what you're doing. Without a point to it all, none of it matters. Why am I beating this guy up? Cause it's a game and that's what games do, toss you in a vacuum and do menial pointless tasks?
>Wtf I hate Streets of Rage now?!
Streets of Rage had a point when you were beating up guys. Yakuza isn't just a brawler. It has a lot of mini games that are all varied, it has small side stuff you have to seek out to do. It's a game with a story. There's nothing wrong with that unless the execution of that story clashes with the gameplay or it feels like the gameplay is just there to justify a story.
>the more you can get a player's blood pumping, the better
But, the cooldown is there because there is still at least 3 hours of game to go, and what follows is one of the weaker boss fights. The tension also goes back up for the climax which is the final boss fight with The Boss.
>Are you kidding
Check any MGS thread
>games need to have massive budgets and development teams
Games need to have a heart and soul, ripping some other game off like Terraria and Runner 2 doesn't prove that. The Yakuza games are usually budget titles made in quick succession yet they pull off being great nearly every time. Silent Hill 1 was made by a small but dedicated team and had a low budget, it's my favourite game of all time.
>it's in the game despite my wishes
Then stop buying games that have a story? It's pretty easy to figure out what those games will be. Fuck off back to the 2600 and the NES, if your parents will buy one for you.
>sure sounds like DRM to me
It doesn't stop you from skipping them. It doesn't stop you from playing offline. How is it like DRM?

>>388692771
>why do you think games like Yakuza need it so badly
Because it adds reasons. The gameplay of Yakuza is fucking amazing I love it, but without the reasoning, I wouldn't enjoy it as much, it'd just be white noise. It's why I can't enjoy mindless fighters that don't even have an ending or some sort of reason for the fighting.
>but needing an additional goal is completely unnecessary
The goal in Yoshi's Island added a new gameplay mechanic, which was to protect and save Baby Mario.
Mario games were never meant to be storydriven though. They were made to be gameplay showcases, and the story is usually there to justify gameplay additions (FLUDD in SMS, the ghost hunting in LM, etc.).

>>388693080
>The higher costs usually come from the game's development.
And this isn't a problem how? We don't need that ten billion polygon rock in the background just for the game, we peaked with graphics back in the Ps2 era. Everything else has been excess and waste.

>cutscenes just require a bit a mocap and you can get any rando off the streets in LA to do that, and VAs are a dime a dozen.
No man. A smart company would do that. What actually happens is that they'll hire an expensive graphical team alongside their regular developers, hire super expensive VA's for 9 million dollars an hour, and then offset those costs onto the customer with DLC, microtransactions, season passes, you name it.

>You need a reason to be doing what you're doing
Having fun isn't reason enough? Besides, it's not menial when the game actually understands a rising difficulty curve and varied gameplay mechanics.

>There's nothing wrong with that unless the execution of that story clashes with the gameplay or it feels like the gameplay is just there to justify a story.
And that feels like 90% of Yakuza. Whenever I'm bored to death, it's because the game decided to stop being videogamey and unload onto me a bunch of useless information through cutscenes.

>But, the cooldown is there because there is still at least 3 hours of game to go,
And you can't dissipate built up tension in that time frame? Sounds like the work of hacks. I've seen games pull off better breather moments without needing cinematic sections, in shorter periods of time, with smaller game budgets. It's called gameplay variance.

>Check any MGS thread
Let's see.
>porn thread of Quiet
>porn thread of big boss
>meme trash from MGR
>people doing nothing but discussing the story
>not a soul saying that the games need more gameplay, but plenty of people complaining that MGSV was too videogamey

I see your point.

>>388693080

>Games need to have a heart and soul,
And by your logic, more money means more heart and soul. I guess Call of Duty is the best game ever.

>Then stop buying games that have a story?
Way ahead of you, but that doesn't mean I'm going to blindly praise them. They still get criticized.

>It doesn't stop you from skipping them.
It's still a major nuisance, albeit a smaller one. It's just like when I apply a crack to a denuvo game. sure I no longer have to deal with the DRM, but the extra steps I had to take in the first place were not preferable. I would've preferred the problem element not existing in the first place.

>>388693420
>Because it adds reasons.
So the game isn't fun enough to justify playing it, and yu need to be told that you're having fun. Sure doesn't sound like a solid production.

>The goal in Yoshi's Island added a new gameplay mechanic, which was to protect and save Baby Mario.
Who was the worst part of the entire game and actively made me hate playing it. I'm not saying the game is terrible, but you might as well have had Baby Mario be kidnapped and have a regular health system.

>Mario games were never meant to be storydriven though.
Exactly, and skipping every cutscene does nothing to impede the gameplay.

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>>388693728
>peaked with graphics in the Ps2 era. Everything else has been excess and waste.

>>388693728
yeah why do we need morden cars just use the ones from the 40's and 50's we dont need new computers just use the ones from 90's

>>388694205
>game prices have risen so exponentially now that we need to charge 100+ dollars for DLC and season passes, every console now has pay2play online, 90% of online games have microtransactions, and games steadily increase in price, to the point where 60 dollars is considered cheap

But yes, let's throw even more money into graphics budgets, which will extend game development time, raise game budget costs, and require games to be further watered down to reach a wider audience.

>>388693728
>discussing something about the game is bad
yeah lets just let this guy live in lala land

>>388694328
>yeah why do we need morden cars just use the ones from the 40's and 50's
More like the 80's, since afterward cars stopped being about efficiency and more about fancy gimmicks like car phones and LEDs.

>we dont need new computers just use the ones from 90's
I'd rather use Windows 95 than praise Winblows 10. You don't agree?

>>388694408
They're barely discussing the game though. It's mostly jerking off to the story. Might as well bring in e-celebs while you're at it, since they have just as much relevance.

>>388693728
>and this isn't a problem how?
I never said what the development costs were. For example, a lot of the budget for MGS4 and V went to the FOX Engine (and in V, Kojima wanted to kill the MG series, so he blew money on expensive actors and made sure that the game would never make returns).
>having fun isn't reason enough
I can have fun, I just need a point to it all. It's an issue I had with Saints Row the Third side missions, there was no explanatory cutscene, they just dumped you somewhere and told you what to do. The main character is spraying shit on buildings for a no reason when a funny 2 minute cutscene explaining it would add to the gameplay.
>Whenever I'm bored to death, it's because the game decided to stop being videogamey and unload onto me a bunch of useless information through cutscenes
They're skippable. Two clicks, cutscenes over, you can play the game. People who complain about skippable cutscenes are actually autistic.
>And you can't dissipate built up tension in that time frame
Two minutes of climbing a ladder to the tune of the main theme. It's memorable, you're the first person I've ever heard complain about it, outside of DPS. That's not a good comparison mind you.
>people doing nothing but discussing the story
What's wrong with a game having a good story? Oh wait, any game having any story at all is bad according to some child on the internet who can't afford actual games, so clearly it's bad to have a story.
>not a soul saying that the games need more gameplay, but plenty of people complaining that MGSV was too videogamey
Have you been to a single MGS thread where 4 is brought up? Also, MGSV was bad because you were doing stuff for no real reason. Why do I have to infiltrate this base? The game told me to, no real reason given.

>>388694486
so why are you playing modern games then
>>388694556
story is apart of the game but i guess i cant talk about dante's past cant talk about sparda or vergil

>>388688623
>another pc vs console thread
literally why

OP is obviously just a faggot who wants to try and be better than everyone else, hence bait picture in OP

>>388694486
and cars from the 80's use more gas and produce more smoke and has a higher rate of failure

>Currently selling my PC om ebay after getting meme'd into building one

Never fucking again.

>>388694093
>more money means more heart and soul
I never said that. I'm talking about how good the Yakuza games are, they're basically budget titles, especially Kiwami. They reuse assets all the time, Kiwami doesn't fix up the mouth animations from the PS2 era, but I still love it.
>Way ahead of you
Then why are you here? You're just shitting your godawful opinion out, and being surprised people think you're autistic.
>I would've preferred the problem element not existing in the first place
So, you want to ruin everybody else's experience because you have ADHD? Good think you'll never make it past Burger King manager, if you were a dictator, you'd be worse than Kim Jong Un
>you need to be told that you're having fun
No, you need a reason to be doing this. Are you a NEET by chance? Only NEETs are this not-driven, as they have no point in life. They just exist and fester and complain and do nothing because they have no point, they have no job or reason to exist.
>Who was the worst part of the entire game
Maybe you're just shit at video games?

>>388694865
how powerful

>>388674194
Its like you people live under a rock.

>>388694563
>For example, a lot of the budget for MGS4 and V went to the FOX Engine
And that was completely wasted money. It's not even as good as the Unreal Engine. So it really was just wasteful spending.

>I can have fun, I just need a point to it all.
fun is its own reason, especially when it's designed in a way to ward off monotony and tedium, and offer an ever-scaling world that challenges you every step of the way. in a way it should tap into the basic human emotion of wanting to better yourself. Maybe that's psychological tripe, I can't truly say. The important thing is that a game should have staying power long before you add a story, and the story shouldn't somehow be a load bearer that brings down the whole product without it.

>They're skippable.
Yes, and? they're still obnoxious distractions. Plus, the gameplay on its own doesn't compel me to continue onward. It needs that story just to feel complete, which I find to be bad game design.

>Two minutes of climbing a ladder to the tune of the main theme.
I would've preferred 2 minutes of fun videogamey action. If I need a break there's a perfectly good pause button I can use at any time.

>you're the first person I've ever heard complain about it, outside of DPS. That's not a good comparison mind you.
Funny you bring DPS in. He also can't appreciate a good game for itself, and needs everything explained in expository cutscenes. This is a guy who would get lost playing Super Mario Brothers.

>What's wrong with a game having a good story?
Nothing is wrong with that. But an 8 hour boring string of dialogue and pretty set pieces is not a good story. It's hollywood pandering.

>Have you been to a single MGS thread where 4 is brought up?
All of them praise it. Unless you can show me some evidence to the contrary.

>Why do I have to infiltrate this base? The game told me to, no real reason given.
Easily solved by having them dress up as nazis or klan men or evil space aliens. Boom, instant reason.