Beta's out. So, what's the verdict?

>>388668042
Warframe is better and free

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Thanks Jeff, it's good. Back to you Jeff.

>>388668042

It's exactly what I thought it was. Destiny on PC. It's too bad their business model requires a yearly payment to keep playing the same content because they lock even the most basic shit behind a DLC pay wall. Oh, and 4v4 max pvp? What the fuck? Why are games going down in scale? Where is my 16v16 mode? 32v32? 64v64?

>>388668154
lol look at this cuckold
how much does DE pay you

>>388668042
Its Destiny 1. If you liked it and want more get it. Personally I might wait for Anthem, but also might get it.

>>388668042
Better than PUBG. Let the Steamtards enjoy their bad games. Shooters are finally back

>>388668213
>16v16 or more
Because anything more than 4 v 4 is casual trash.

>>388668042
>So, what's the verdict?
PC version blow the console version out of the water.
No not on the graphics department.
The FPS, the controls, the FOV, it's MUCH better.

>>388668217
as much as i pay them, nothing
>using the word cuckold unironically

Personally, I feel it's the same as The Division but in space. I got like 30 hours out of TD and then never played again, I'll probably get the same out of D2, maybe a bit more.

It's shit

Generic doodoo shooter

>>388668042
It's the same game as the first one.

PCbros will gobble this shit up though.

>>388668213
4v4 and 5v5 are the perfect match sizes. There's a reason the best games of all time use those numbers. If you don't like it, you are an idiot.
>join a 128v128 game
>laggy and bad
>doesn't matter if i kill 100 people
>the other 28 on their team could wipe the idiots on mine

it's shit
>levels are linear as fuck
>no random loot, you only get two items at the end of the level
>game is tilted towards PVP rather than coop PVE
>3 player coop
>jetpacks are clunky to use, so rather than having a fluid vertical dynamic you just keep flying up or down to push through the level

I will say that it is very well optimized and looks quite nice.
The gameplay is the worst part.

>>388668317
>being this triggered
Go prep the bull

>>388668213
wahhh an mmo has dlc wahhhhhh

>>388668217
Nothing.
They pay me nothing.
Because they don't need to.
They let things be as they are, because that is all that is required.

>>388668042
its fun

>>388668567
you seem to know a lot about cuckolding for someone who calls other cuckolds at random
is that what the community in Destiny usually talks about?

>>388668292

The first game at least had 8v8. I'm tired of losing because a single person on my team isn't contributing.

>>388668042
The gameplay is solid
Runs well on my shit cpu
Other than that i can't say much because of how barebones the beta is

>>388668431

See: >>388668685

>>388668490
3 player is the max on coop?

>>388668685
So you are mad because you have no friends.

Get gud.

>>388668490
>open are as big as halo 1
>there is random loot, didnt find the minotaur robot
>changes to ammo drops already fixed the heavy weapons pvp thing
>raids go up to 6 with an added extra beginner learning person
>you can glide, double jump, or teleport by choosing the jetpack that suits you

wow anon, its like you didnt even play the game

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It's okay. Not going to buy it though because nothing from the first game will transfer over to PC. A shame since I thought there was finally a chance my decision to go with my friends on XBox instead of getting it on Playstation would be validated.

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>>388668490
>jetpacks
You know you can change this in the character abilities menu right?

>he doesn't use superior blink jump

>>388668490
>no random loot, you only get two items at the end of the level
not the case in the full game.
>game is tilted towards PVP rather than coop PVE
D1 was 75% PvE based
>jetpacks are clunky to use, so rather than having a fluid vertical dynamic you just keep flying up or down to push through the level
there's three jetpack options if you look in the subclass options. more upward movement, more forward movement and i can't remember the other one

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Eh

>>388668902
>blinkfags running rampant again
>tfw I can't go fast with Increased Control anymore
Th-thanks Bungle.

Everyone needs to realize this is a performance beta. There's hardly anything in this beta that you can get an idea about how the full game is except the gunplay.

>>388668217
mad

It's pretty much as shitty as I was expecting it to be.
Consolefags buying this trash leads me to believe that they have literally no taste.

>>388668042
The pc version makes the console one look like a fucking joke in comparison.

We might as well consider this a pc exclusive from how ridiculously better it is on pc.

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+Solid core gunplay, everything feels smooth and responsive
+Powers are neat, busting out a flaming sword and killing everything is fun
+Fantastic visuals

-Guns don't feel very punchy, especially rifles
-Enemies are braindead
-World and lore feel super generic
-Bland writing
-Game is structured around grinding

Overall, not too bad. It plays well enough, but its nothing to write home about. Maybe I'll pick up the inevitable 'Destiny 2 Complete Edition' a couple years from now.

i prepurchased the digital deluxe edition

>>388669674
>pc thinks they have better tastes
>lol, csgo, dota2, pubg, and poorly coded wii u emulator
lolno

>>388669883
Even PUBG is better than this trash.

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>>388668217
>destinyfag
>calling others cuckolds

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>>388669965
lolno

>>388668042
My first time playing destiny in general.
I really liked the dungeon. Very engaging and fun. I wish abilities had lower cooldown and there was maybe 1 or 2 more.

PVP was decent. I like it.

I do not like how everything is based around menus. Its not really "MMO". You take a shit in your ship and fly to "missions" like WF.
I want an actual FPS MMO with open world and cars/bikes you ride around until you arrive to dungeons n shit.

Performance is good on my semi weak PC.

Im not paying bloody 90 bucks for this thing. Thats too much over here.

>>388668042
Boring, slow and floaty. While the mouse control is much more enjoyable, the feel of shooting is so-so but the feeling of impact is almost nonexistent.

Despite having hundreds of rounds of ammo, your ARs and SMGs will run out in no time because enemies are bullet sponges to those, but you'll be able to wipe out waves of enemies with a Revolver with ammo to spare. I tried Hunter and was using three fucking revolvers, Kinetic, Energy and the Golden Gun Ability, because they trounced everything else.
Power Weapons are weak as shit in PvE, yet are effortless one shot kill guns in PvP.

A vocal 1% of fags who play PvP make up the total playerbase in a PvE focused game continue to ruin PvE games. They cry all day and won't just go play a normal fucking FPS or other game actually focused on versus gameplay to fight other players.

>>388669782
>Guns don't feel very punchy, especially rifles
You should try handcannons. Very punchy weapons and are my favourite.

Too bad they're nerfed from early D1, though. They used to be able to 1-shot everything.

>>388670175
>I want an actual FPS MMO with open world and cars/bikes you ride around until you arrive to dungeons n shit.
You do that here, kind of. Each world has an open-world area to it where you can ride around on your bikes.

>Paying $60 plus paid expansions to grind when you can do it for free in Warframe
Bungie fags are truly fucking retarded.

>>388669782
The lore is pretty cool but the presentation is pretty bad and I hate how it feels like the devs aren't even taking the world they're making serious anymore. Everything has to have some sort of witty punchline or end with a sarcastic quip. Nothing really felt like it was allowed to have the gravity it deserved. Maybe that's more marketing then writing but honestly I'm not really optimistic anymore. Staten is gone and the more I see the new Destiny the less I like it.

>>388670175
I think honestly you probably won't like it even with patrols so save your money. Unless you have friends to play it with.

I'm unable to play the beta. Am I missing out?

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>>388669883
>implying cs:go, dota2, and pubg arent all better games than destiny and 90% of console exclusives

>>388670665
If you're interested in the game and want to decide weather to get it before spending money on it they yea. Otherwise not really but then why are you in this thread in the first place.

>>388670652
Warframe is pretty trash desu and also has a terrible playerbase.

>>388670175
>I want an actual FPS MMO with open world and cars/bikes you ride around until you arrive to dungeons n shit.


If you go to the Nessus strike and go right from the start, you can get on some bikes and fuck about with them.

>>388668178
>modern talking on TV

those people are partying 80's style

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaV2qoxZsCY

Runs well, but the beta is lacking in content severely compared to the first game's beta.

played it today, pretty fun but I'm not willing to pay what they are asking for it now, will wait for a sale.

>>388670512
>You should try handcannons
I did, played through both the first mission and the strike mission with it. Still didn't feel that great.

>>388668042
They're making another one?

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>>388668154
DON'T SAY THAT NAME

Bland boring and dull.

>Quickplay sucks ass
>Cooldowns on your character are way too long
>Comp is basically counterstrike but less interesting somehow
>Story mode in the beta is obviously the best that Bungie could showcase to players and is really boring with no investment.
>Can't even talk shit to other players.
>Menu is cancer and could use a better UI.

>>388668319
You're an idiot.
Division was made to appeal to Destiny fan base in a first place.

Why the fuck did my full name fucking display when I typed in chat? How the fuck does it even have it

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I can't aim for shit but it's fun so far.
Feels way better than d1 on console

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>>388668042
my main gripe with the game is that movement feels so clunky, I can barely maneuver while in the air and while sprinting

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i love watching destinyqueers defending the small team size. halo had 2v2 through 16v16 on console. cod had seek and destroy no respawn horseshit for muh tryhard audience

>i want to pay more for less content because im HARDCORE and BADASS
you're also lame

>>388668154
>warframe
>better

It is free, though.

>>388668154
kek, yeah free until you realize you have to pay for stuff or spend months grinding, no thanks.

Its eve online all over again with grinding blocking everything unless you want to pay irl money.

>>388668154
I actually feel the same way right now. After all the hype I thought Destiny has lots of content and complexity but it's pretty shallow and you can't even make proper builds around characters or gear.
I also don't like the gunplay - they all feel similar and the iron sight mechanic doesn't add depth to the gameplay either.
Only played 3 PvP matches but the map objectives with the bombs were totally useless and one could just go gun down the enemy dudes and win that way and the map with the capture circles was designed around ability and grenade spam into chokepoints too much.
I think this game at its is 10 years behind the curve and CoD and Warframe offer more variety in their respective genres.

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>strike map
>entire map can be explored
>several secret bosses who have loot drops
>people completely ignore them

>>388671365
don't worry only approved people on your friends list can see your name. everyone else sees your battletag

>>388668845
Why would they let D1 players be massively overpowered compared to the D2 players?
It blows my mind how people think this could even be plausible. Of course, a new game would mean a new start. Was there even any doubt? Aside from the stupid rewards and shit.

>>388668042
It runs extremely well. My 970 rapes this game maxed out. I was really expecting a hack job considering it's delayed a month. It also looks and handles way better than the console version did just by running above 30fps.

Making me really regret having to get it on xbone just to play with my friends

My verdict is that bungie went to shit, same fucking connection errors as Destiny 1, can't even get past the tutorial mission without getting disconnected

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>>388671608
>you have to pay for stuff or spend months grinding
As opposed to Destiny, where you pay for stuff AND spend months grinding?

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Didn't play 1. Gameplay wise it seems rather bland. Don't think I'd drop $60 plus whatever they'll charge for expansions/dlc. Story wise I have no idea what's going on since I didn't play 1 or really pay much attention to any discussion of it.

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>>388671440

I was pretty excited to try it since I've never played the first.

It's ok, pretty boring but it looks nice. The PvP isn't great and there doesn't seem to be that many abilities.

Let's put it this way, the content they had in terms of PvE (which is the only thing I'll buy this game for anyway) was very, VERY lackluster. I felt like there's jack shit you can do to not get hit, and that your only choice is to just cower behind a wall until your shield goes up because of how much the enemies soak up damage and how they all have hitscan weapons.

I went for the generic soldier class who has some deployable shield and I was very disappointed to find out that I can't shoot through that shield either, which basically makes it a portable time out wall so you can regain your health, which kills the flow of the fights.

That boss had attacks that just baffling, like setting the floor on fire which is an instant kill, or knocking me flying into the edge of the map where I promptly died.

It's just weird how bland the gameplay is. Just point your gun at something and shoot, and then duck for cover once in a while, or use your grenade which has like, a minute of cooldown for some reason if you feel like it.

Maybe I'm too old for this shit but I kind of liked when combat had weight to it and hitting an enemy with a magazine's worth of ammo felt like it did something.

Very strange design choics.

>>388671792
If so, still it's a little jarring/worrying to see your full name in a chat when it's never happened before in any game.

>>388671902
>PvP isn't great
That's because PvP is strickly gear based.

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>>388671848
nice job pressing 'F' dude.

game looks awesome.

>>388671941
apparently battle.net has had this for a long time now.

>Grenade is a long cooldown ability
>So is roll-dodging

What's the lore reason for believing these guys are special heroes? They can't even do stuff a normal person can do.

It feels really fucking slow. Everything about it. Even when battling several enemies I'm just casually walking in an out of cover, taking my time to reload and enjoy the view.
Or maybe the full game improves that somehow? Movement upgrades, faster enemies perhaps?

Also is there a rundown of the lore somewhere? Why is attaching mechanical tentelacles to uh, floating planet defying laws of gravity is such a big deal?

>>388671809
Destiny's actually fun in comparison, though.

>>388668042
I thought the strike was really cool

The first one was alright but the raids are fucking amazing

>>388671941
It's a Battle.net feature called Real-ID and has been controversial since its launch. Originally you could only add people with their e-mail and see their real name and they later introduced BattleTags in the layout of Name#1234 to allow adding someone without seeing their e-mail or real name. You can disable real name display in the options of Destiny btw

>>388672093
The light is gone anon. That big orb in the sky provided them their powers and brought them to life.

Without it they are barely staying alive. there, 100% lore reason for weakness and long cds.

>>388672093
>They can't even do stuff a normal person can do.
Normal people can't automatically reload their weapons by hopping to the side.
Normal people can't throw light and make it explode.

Surprised at how well it runs. Really wasn't expecting to get 144fps from it at 1080p at all. But that's pretty much the only positive I can say for it other than "It looks pretty" but that means fuck all.

>>388672294
But this all happened before they put the big macguffin on the big sphere macguffin.

>>388672308
Yeah we can, it's called a flashbang. It's very loud and explodey.

>>388671912
You might need to run through that strike again. Almost no enemies in Destiny have hitscan weapons. You gotta bob and weave through their shots. Extremely easy to do once you acclimate to the various enemy types

>>388668042
I like it kind of, anon. But there's one thing that's bothering me and keeping me from finishing the first mission.
>ERROR
>ERROR
>ERROR
So I can't get to the next level after you first log in. Otherwise, it's pretty much the same as Destiny.

>>388672427
Normal people can't create light grenades from nothing and make it explode.
Fixed

>>388672056
noice

>>388671912
>That boss had attacks that just baffling, like setting the floor on fire which is an instant kill

You could try... not standing on the floor?

>>388671912
>I felt like there's jack shit you can do to not get hit
You can stand still and 90% of enemy projectiles won't hit you.

>all have hitscan weapons
There are two types of enemies with hitscan attacks, and they're both sniper mobs.

>how much the enemies soak up damage
The handcannon literally 1-shots everything if you know where to aim.

>like setting the floor on fire which is an instant kill
It takes two of these to kill you, and if you haven't figured out that you have to jump up to a pillar or move to the correct area, then I don't know what to tell you.

>Just point your gun at something and shoot
This is an FPS, you know.

>>388671848
It's another 'noob players can press a button to get a few kills a few times under a match' episode

Hated that shit in Ops 3 with the Firebreaker. Run into a room and just spin around holding the mouse button and you get +3 kills before dying.

Can I do co-op with random people? Or is it locked to premade parties only?

>>388672215
no it's not, though

>>388672782
Yeah it'll match you with randoms. Only time you need to find a party is for the raids

>>388672819
yes it is

>>388668042
I thought its awfull.
Not only felt the movement clunky but the high TTK paired with that doesnt make any sense to me. The only FPS i played over the past 2 years are Battlefield 1, Overwatch, Titanfall 2 and Splatoon 2 and every single one of them felt vastly superior in movement and gunplay. Yes even Splatoon with its ~16tickrate seems snappier and Battlefields movement feels more agile to me, how on earth is that even possible.
Terrible pvp, uninstalled.

It feels pretty nice to play, really smooth, making me wish Bungie made PC games more often, but it will probably get boring after a few hours.

>>388672308
>hoping to the side to reload
Who is this? Explain.

>>388672870
Which supposedly they will have a party finder for raids now.

>>388668154
>>388671809
>>388672819
>People comparing Destiny to Warframe
>An FPS and a 3rd Person Shooter that are totally different to each other
The only thing these two have in common is that they have gear and that they both have PVE. Warframe has no PvP until you get into a dojo (I believe) while Destiny is the second coming of competitive FPS games (not really).

>>388672916
>clunky movment
Are you high? Movement was just fine, plenty responsive.

Also, Splatoon isn't an FPS you mong.

>>388673096
Hunter automatically reloads when you dodge

>>388672916
>high TTK
>3-4 shots to the head with a revolver
>Destiny 1 had a ttk of under 1 second
yup, so high.

>>388673218
>Warframe
>3rd Person Shooter
lol

>>388672916
So you're just use to games where you die nearly instantly. The movement isn't as bad as you're making it out to be otherwise there would be thousands of complaints like that.

>>388668796
In PvE, yeah. PvP is 4 person, which is retarded.

>>388669162
>>tfw I can't go fast with Increased Control anymore
You really can though.

But not as fast as the Solarlocks

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>>388673336
I'm not that anon but... warframe is in the third person is it not?

>>388673336
It is if you strip out the fast and melee weapons, of which it consists of 99% of the time. Adds to my point of them being incomparable.

>>388673218
warframe has conclave (which is straight up deathmatch) and its soccer minigame. But nobody plays alot of either gamemodes so its quite easy to miss that.

>>388669190
This. Going on Destiny 1 it's only about a quarter of the content in the game.

Abilities are pretty boring desu and the enemies should show more situational awareness. I'm not sure why they make a big deal of the baddies saying they've never known defeat when I'm almost 99% sure you spent D1 paddling their asses.

I think it's a bad beta for what could potential be good, so I'm gonna hold off for now and see how it goes.

>>388673550
Not even, bro
Apparently, the number of "activities" in the final game is 80 plus, with four patrol zones
The beta is two activities and a couple pvp maps
But I guarantee there will be a couple responses to your post of "KEK TWO MISSIONS IS A QUARTER OF THE GAME BRAVO BUNGLE" like a bunch of misinformed morons

>>388670661
>Staten is gone and the more I see the new Destiny the less I like it.
Didn't Bungie fuck his original story really hard.

>>388673219
The strafe is super slow, the jetpack feels anemic. Maybe i am too used to Titanfall and Quake but it feels like a fucking wheelchair simulator with bullet sponge TTK.

I am sure it feels plenty responsive to a PvE autist.

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>>388673550

>>388673479
I tried playing that handball thing and it was ridiculously one-sided towards veterans. Conclave is the same shit and there's no point in playing either until you get pimped out and have 300+ hours in. Even then, both of those game modes offer no real incentive to play them instead of just grinding those Grineer for that one part you're missing on your shit that has a 0.00001% dropchance.

>PvP
>beta
>infested with hackers
Why is this allowed?

>>388671474
This

>playing this shit when warframe exists

B R A V O
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRpdTeJfXOE

N O L A N
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>>388668042
>No one I play with seems to know how to stay alive during the strike boss
>The spawns in crucible are messed up
>Why does the defending team spawn farther away from the objective than the attackers half the time?
>mouse allows for greater precision but you are forced to use ADS in order for the gun to be accurate
>Graphics look very slick in the story mission

>>388673902
This was my first response and it didn't feel like the first one either in terms of speed and agility. That said, it's made by people who have worked on Halo, so I guess that has a large impact on the way they wanted to make the movement work instead of going full FAST with dodges and wallruns and shit.

>>388668042
Is the game going to have higher difficulty settings? I waltzed through the strike with ease, not even dying once and killing more enemies than my teammates combined. It felt like Halo on Easy.

Shit wrong video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEYXN5YBCcY

>>388673902
It is responsive. You're coming into what is primarily a co-op FPS looking for arena shooter movement, and that's retarded.

>>388668042
It's shit.

>>388673561
>they've never known defeat
The Cabal are a massive empire. The legions we faced in D1 was essentially a scout patrol. The Red Legion we fight in D2 are a more proper force that's finally arrived to the solar system, so they're more advanced.

The PVP still sucks

>>388673960
>infested with hackers
There's hackers? I didn't play pvp much but I didn't encounter any.

>>388674058
Why is the Warframe playerbase so cancerous? Are you guys upset that a higher-budget and more polished game is coming out?

>>388672427
>Yeah we can, it's called a flashbang. It's very loud and explodey.
No he's talking about LIGHT with a capital L. It's the source of Guardian space magic.

>>388673960
>infested
Proof otherwise fuck off.

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>>388668042
>PC version has better menus on top of the superior framerate
>Playstation has some shitty timed-exclusive weapons/maps/missions
>Xbox doesn't get dick

It runs smooth as eggs and the guns shoot nice

how mandatory is the DLC in this game?

I don't mind the AAA price tag, but $30 on top of that just to have the best weapons every 3 months sounds too jewy

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>tfw i'm falling into activisions marketing ploy for D2.

I fucking hate it, but I want to play the damn game before it comes out on PC, and my friends play on PS4.

>>388674541
>All three get a shitty game

>>388673369
>>388673219
>>388673902
The movement is a straight downgrade from the first one in every possible way.

>>388668042
Couldn't stand it on PS4, but on PC it feels way smoother, I dunno if it's just them updating it or what but I might actually get it now.

Never played the original Destiny, I am enjoying the 2 beta, but it has flaws. Optimization is the best I've ever seen for a AAA game but the gameplay mechanics are really unbalanced. Hunters are underpowered, certain guns like the handcannon are op as fuck because the weapon design was built with joysticks in mind. You can just about headshot everything with ease if you have a nice enough mouse.

With patching and updates it will get better, and will have loads of content, the engine was basically completely rewritten to remove console limitations and they seem intent to keep it alive for a while. I hope it survives on PC but have my doubts.

>>388674630
>how mandatory is the DLC in this game?
If it's anything like the first game, you need it otherwise you literally don't get any new content

>>388673795
We'll never know what it was but the way the rumors go Destiny story was really far along, essentially every mission would start and end with a cut scene. About a year before Destiny was suppose to ship the story was shown to the executives at Bungie and apparently they didn't like it so it was scraped. They then had to patch elements of the old story into what ended up being the new story. Staten quit and his work was transformed into the grimmoire entries by some new writer who I think also left Bungie after he was done with that.

I don't know weather Staten's original vision would have been great or not but after all the shit that went down it's clear there's no real vision behind Destiny anymore.

>>388674719
I bet it would have been a lot better than LE DARKNESS WIBZARD MOOOOON xD

>>388674654
In terms of how fast you go, yes. Otherwise it's the same responsiveness and it's ever slightly improved with the grapple mechanic.

>>388674719
I heard their head writer left and took all the stuff he did with him so they literally had no story and little time to make a new one, the end result being the shitty non-existent story the game had

>>388674680
>handcannon is OP

It has small range, low ammo, and for pvp a worse TTK than the pulses which are much more consistent and much longer range.

Autorifles are the meta you mongs.

>>388674675
Unlocked framerate, resolution and field of view does that for you.

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>>388674852
>Cuckrifles

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So what exactly does a sidearm bring that other guns don't?

>>388674630
It's kind of like WoW expansions if you're familiar with those. You can still PvP since it uses baseline stats and all that but you'll definitely feel like you're missing out on stuff when it comes out. Essentially you're either part of the world with the DLC or left behind without it.

How does this feel so smooth at 60fps while other games I play that are also a solid 60fps don't feel as smooth?

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>>388674791
>le darkness wizard moon
So one line from the Alpha that was removed in the beta/final release, yet got memed into oblivion
Good job showing that you have no idea what you're talking about

I'm having fun.

>>388674967
AFAIK, high "handling" which is basically just how quick you can fire the gun when you draw it.

Honestly, I've never had a situation where this was needed, even in D1, so they're pretty worthless.

>>388674982
I see, but wow gets expansions like every 18-24 months, I heard destiny 2 is getting new dlc like 3 weeks after launch....

>>388674967
High Uselessness stat.

>>388675142
>like three weeks
First DLC is slated for December, so three months
Is this how misinformation spreads on this shit board?

I played through the story mission and it feels great to me. I'll be running the strike tonight

>>388668042
Beta was out a month ago it fucking sucks my pc friend

>>388668042
It is fun but it is not worth $60

>>388675068
I've spent about 100 days in Destiny, but reductive stuff is POWERFUL in the land of the memers.

I like the lore, even if Grimoire is non-canon, but the story and in-game writing (with a few exceptions, notably Paradox Alternate ending) are toddler tier.

>TFW I'm a dipshit that enjoyed the lore
I wanna see what happens to the Kell of Kells story

>>388671701
You mean empty chests, right? That's some loot

>>388674801
>garrison removed and made really bad on a 10 second cooldown on warlocks instead of titans
>shadestep no longer does the plethora list it used to, plus it's retard cooldown, plus it's not as effective as a dodge
>Possibility of no bones of eao so hunter's will get the shittiest jumps unless they always use blink
>which means fuck gunslinger except for their super
>again

>>388675131
That's not the main reason people used them in D1. The main reason is because they spawn with ammo.

The other reason is that sidearms are supposed to have really low TTK's but range only slightly better than a shotgun. But now they have a similar TTK to regular guns in addition to trash range.

>>388668685
This game will too. Did you honestly think this beta includes everything? This shit is a pretty barebones demo

>>388675451
My brother, these people don't understand us.

>>388668685
>The first game at least had 8v8
Retard.

>>388675451
>>388675541
It ends with him getting fucking killed.
Play the damn game. No, actually don't cause it's not good.

>>388675451
I wanna know more about the space dragons

>Giving a single shit about the PvP

You autists ruin everything you touch

>>388675142
D1 had a season pass with DLC drops and each one raised the maximum level as it were. After that the major expansions were released every year after the release of the main title. These were bigger then the DLC and they also had free updates throughout the year so I guess in a sense they served as season passes for every year of the game being out.

I only started playing D1 after all the content that was part of the season's pass was already out so I never really felt like there wasn't enough to do or felt cheated by how little some people felt the DLCs added.

I do know that the people at Activision want more content throughout the year to keep people playing I guess and since the game has cosmetic microtransactions on top of payed DLC I naively hope they are going to provide more free content for everyone. I think that's why Activision dedicated two of their studios to help Bungie. But again, I have no idea how it's all going to be priced. I hope for the best but it's Activision so I expect the worst.

Someone run Wireshark. What's the tick rate? Dedicated servers or p2p hosting?

>>388668042
Played the little SP demo section, thought it was okay. I do like the revamped Golden Gun, it feels a lot more, I dunno, gunslinger-like? I might try to run at it a few more times with the other classes, but Hunter was my jam in the first one.

>>388668154
fpbp

>>388675751
Yeah cause the PvE experience is SOOOO good, huh?

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>PC owners are actually liking Destiny 2

End it bros. This turdfest will sell well

>>388674532
>P2P hosted
All the proof you need.

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>>388675783
>dedicated servers
>in Destiny

>>388675863
I played the beta and prepurchased. What's the big deal? When is the last time you even had fun anon?

>>388668178
They all had sex that night.

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I can't wait to get disappointed by bungie again

>>388675904
So no proof of cheaters then as the system uses a hybrid of p2p and dedicated server.

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>>388675863
>people like things
>OH NOOOOOOOO

Someone help me out here, when the game is actually released the character we play as is actually dead, and we'll create a new one, or start fresh level 1 yes?

>>388675667
I know Skolas dies but the prophecy still exists. And Varik seems to smart and sneaky to stay as a lowly assistant

>>388675965
Guess I'm not missing out on anything then. Thanks.

>>388675991
>What's the big deal?

Because you PCfags are going to fall for the same shit we did with Destiny 1, what a horrible mess that game was and they literally did nothing to fix it

>>388676072
Yeah you like eating shit

>>388676084
I think it's the same character from the first one but we lose all of our stuff and powers

>>388676167
Is it really "falling" for anything when I'll be getting my enjoyment from it?

>>388675863
>If you play on X system, you're supposed to like/dislike certain things.
Neck yourself.

I liked it, not buying it anytime soon.

>>388676065
There are no dedicated servers. People are also fucking able to see your IP in the game, so they can force DC you if they want.

It's retarded bad.

>>388676221
MASS EFFECT 2 BISHES

>>388669782
>+Powers are neat, busting out a flaming sword and killing everything is fun
I agree with everything but this. That shit's retarded.
>kill people because I'm better than them
>suddenly some dude unzips his katana folded from molten lava and instantly explodes me
>end up losing because it turns out their entire team has some sort of super weapon that they use to wipe us

I honestly just think it's stupid. It's literally just Press F to win.

>>388676317
>People are also fucking able to see your IP in the game
No way this is real.
Haha, r-right?

>>388676221
tfw all my shit is gone since I won't be playing Destiny 2 on PS4.

So the level 20 character we play as in the intro will just be dead after the intro most likely though? and only reason we can continue to play as level 20 in pvp / dungeon is for beta testing?

I played it earlier

it feels so much smoother on PC than it does on consoles. I played it on Xbox One and i feel sorry for anyone who buys the full game on console.

Not able to play it until I get home, are people voice chatting a lot?

>>388676363
>Playing the PvP

I found your problem, idiot

One thing trying the beta sure did was remind me of how long it had been since I played an fps.

>>388676402
>So the level 20 character we play as in the intro will just be dead after the intro most likely though?
No, we go to a fragment of the Traveler and get our mojo back.

>>388668042
i went full berserk with titan and it was fun i guess, but the guns felt pretty lame, they had no real punch or feel to them. oh expect revolver, that one was alright but nothing special

probably not gonna buy this unless they do something about the weapons (they wont)

>>388676317
>People are also fucking able to see your IP in the game
Proof?

>There are no dedicated servers
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2017-05-26-destiny-2-matchmaking-will-use-dedicated-servers-after-all

>>388668307

Why the fuck would anyone play an FPS on a console if a PC version were an option? Are they retarded?

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>>388676167
>that thing you like is literally shit

>>388676461
but we get kicked off the edge by the Cabal leader, how do we survive that unless it's a saved the last moment by someone in a ship.

>>388676472
the guns feel and sound weak

>>388676363
>he can't manage his super
git
gud

>>388676554
Armor stronk.

Also, we didn't see a body. Is this your first scifi game?

>>388668042
>Having a good time playing Destiny at 60fps
>Crucible is actually fun to play now because of M+KB
>Do a strike
>Instantly reminded what Destiny actually is and I lose interest.

It was fun while it lasted

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Honestly, if I hadn't have played the PC version I wouldn't have bought the game.

>How can Bungie fix the PVE in this game?
Also
>How can Bungie fix the RPG elements of this game?

>>388676484
>game data is stored on a server
>the actual position of players/projectiles/objects is controled by host player
Wow, it's nothing and still very easily abusable.

>>388676584
>needing a insta kill weapon means being gud
Sounds like you should stop using your crutch and learn how to aim, shitter.

>>388676619
I could understand a Titan survive a huge fall, but hunter and warlock, most likely no.

>another shill thread

>>388670661
Who was staten and why was he important? Never played destiny 1

>>388676657
>playing a mission where you are underleveled
>have little control over your abilties
>and under geared
Wow, it's almost as if the PvE aspect of the beta isn't built towards what it would be like in game.

Boring as shit.

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>>388676384
>be Destiny player
>play trials of osiris, the alleged competitive mode
>must win 9 games straight to clear it
>game 9
>other team decides to rape your connection
>"lost connection to servers" error
>other team wins an easy 3v2, have to listen to your bros on party chat rage because they think you quit
>mfw

Destiny pvp is great if you hate yourself

I played destiny 1 for a few months on xbox and I'm enjoy the beta. With everyone throwing around dlc and season pass, how much should I expect to actually pay for this game to play? 60 for the game + 2 expansions down the road?

>>388676746
Warlock's weigh like 5 pounds. Terminal velocity won't kill them.

>>388676741
but you also have one

>>388676657
Remove PvP and dedicate those resources to improving the PvE

>>388668042
>pcfags are actually enjoying Destiny 2
Hahaha

>>388676770
Yeah, we need more eceleb threads come on guys get with it. Stop talking about video games, especially if there is a limited beta going on right now that makes for good discussion.

>>388676624
>play the strike expecting the boss to be actually different
>it's just a another gaint minatuar
Is that really the best strike they could have shown off for their beta? This just makes me think the strike and story mission bosses are still gonna suck and the raids will be the only redeeming thing about this game again.

>>388676812
you're missing the point of my question, I'm not talking about just destiny 2 beta, same goes for destiny 1, not much has changed.

>>388668042
How much am I missing by not playing the first? Going to try the PC beta since my friend is getting this, he liked the first one.

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>>388676770
>enjoying or discussing things is shilling

>>388677023
Just a ton of context which I'm sure will be filled in through some totally-not-hamfisted expository cutscene.

>>388668154
Warframe isn't even the same type of game. Even still it is a huge step down from even console Destiny.

>>388677023
Literally nothing. You could google the story of Destiny 1 and read it in 30 minutes to understand what's going on. Even if you don't, I'm sure they'll throw flashbacks or some shit into the game to tell you about 1.

>>388668154
It is similar to Warframe, but I think Warframe might do a worse job of indicating what you can do in it. Like everytime I come back to warframe. The way levels work changes and I have to take another 10 hours figuring out which area I need to be to upgrade my weapons.
This will definitely be worse movement wise. I'm not liking the lack of options in Destiny 2 with the movement. I tried the warlock (I think) and it has a jetpack where you can jump and hover for a few seconds. Nowhere near as good as Warframe's ninja dashes.Shooting was fine. The guns look cool in D2.
Enemies look awesome, The all white enemy Graul,, looks pretty fucking sweet.

PVP was infintely better than warframe. I dont even know how to queue up for pvp in warframe. and in my 100 hours of playing warframe I was only able to join a pvp match once because my friend queued us up.

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>>388676867
60 for main game
40 for expansion 1 and 2
60 for part 2 of main game
40 for expansion 3

That's how destiny 1 was.
Reminder
if you do not buy the expansion they sometimes will lock you out of content you purchased because you cannot get the new armor and it would be unbalanced.

>>388677170
hello even

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>>388668042
>Only PvE thing is a fucking strike
>"But there's PEEVEEPEE"

The Crucible shouldn't be a standpoint in Destiny

>>388676885
Why would I want to use something that ruins the experience of outplaying someone? Instantly killing someone with something that takes literally no skill is not fun. It's designed purpose is for people to "feel good" about getting a lot of kills, but that only works on retards and luckily I'm not retarded enough to think that some shiny toy is enjoyable to use. I just want to fucking shoot people. Same shit with OW, pressing Q to instantly do w/e is not fun.

I get my enjoyment by shitting on shitters via skill and memes, not shitting on them via superpowers.

>>388676741
Looks to me that you have to learn to use your crutch, shitter. If you can't anticipate your enemies using that on you, you have bigger problems in your head.

>>388677196
yeah and expansion 1 and 2 will probably not have much content just like first one

>>388677251
What's crazy is that the beta is 16 gigs with only two Crucible maps and that one strike.

How fucking big is this game going to be with all the different hubs and shit.

>>388677305
getting killed by his super means he outplayed you
again, git fucking gud

>>388677196
Fuck you, you're not even memeing me. I don't want to blow 200 dollars just to stay relevant. Even if it's over 2 years or however long they plan to support this.

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>>388668042
Who /waitingforthecompleteedition/ here?

Destiny 2 is clearly gonna be barebones as fuck like vanilla D1

>>388676790
Joseph Staten was the lead writer at Bungie for Halo and Destiny. He was one of the key people to concept the world, stories and themes of Destiny. Long story short he did not see eye to eye with Bungie executives and quit shortly before Destiny came out. The game we got was a kind of patchwork of his ideas stitched together in an awkward manner.

Wow I don't think I've played a game this boring in a while.
First off as someone whos never played the first game, the beta gave zero context for what anything was, what a guardian is, who any of the characters in the cinematics are what that big white planet thing is. Nothing. Zero context. If bungie was trying to attract a new player like me by showing the world of Destiny and what the guardians are, they dropped the ball.
The game never explains any of the controls or your characters abilities, which you think you'd want to explain that considering this is the first game in the series on PC. But nope. Didn't know what anything did. All the enemies were mindless. simply shooting at you while standing out in the open. standing behind cover or hovering in the air on jetpacks. Their shots easy as hell to dodge. And their heads massive making headshots a walk in the park which is the other main issue I had trying it.
It was way too EASY. I played a hunter and I found a new side arm called the hand cannon, a revolver within the first five minutes. It killed pretty much everything in 2 headshots unless it was a mini boss, bullet sponge enemy. I used it the entire time. Just poping headshots like it was nothing. I know aiming on console is hard but come on. You can also walk up and just punch the enemies twice and they die, like nothing. Makes me wonder why the guy at the end of the beta couldnt be beaten this way, he didnt have a shield like some of the other enemies so the player character coulda just hit them, but no.
The random online aspect during the hold out section was neat. Cool to see random other players, but that was it. No cooperation no communication just blindly shooting enemies, and then becoming separated again after.
The graphics were nothing special, about as nice looking as wolfenstien the new order. Good but nothing new.
Overall, it was generic, boring, and mediocre.
Interest, lost.

>>388674819
>It has small range
No it doesn't. It rivals Scout Rifles and does much more damage per shot.

>low ammo
Rifles/SMGs run dry and there are still enemies alive.
You have revolver ammo to spare after everything is dead.
The Hand Cannon has dramatically superior cost versus payoff to any other normal gun.

>and for pvp a worse TTK
First, fuck PvP. Play an actual FPS instead of this game which has a crippled balance philosophy in their attempts to cater to the 1% of the playerbase playing PvP while failing to make most weapon types simultaneously useful in the part of the game the other 99% play.
Second, the game isn't just on consoles anymore. Someone with a modicum of aiming skill with a mouse and a Revolver dominates.

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>>388671912

>>388677251
bungie never should have pandered to pvpfags doing raid should have been the only way to reach max level

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>>388677305
Then what the hell are you screaming about? Clearly this isn't a game for you and it's not meant to cater to your "patrician" taste. Go back to CS:GO and AWPing other shitters instead of whining
>Why does this game have this thing that I can't use effectively
>Wahh, this game is really bad because it has stuff in it that I can't manage
>Mommy, these people are using their valid powers that I also have, but they're killing me because I'm worse than them, wahhh

Are the strikes and maps different than the console beta?

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>>388677427
Where is he now?

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>>388676848
>blaming the connection problems on other player instead of your 3rd world internet

The game runs great on my computer.

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>>388677401
It's probably only 16 gigs right now because they don't give a tit about compression but at this rate the full game could probably be 60-80 gigs with this sloppy job

>>388677750
He was lead writer for that game everyone forgot about ReCore

>>388668042

It's the same exact game and gameplay not even exaggerating.

If you loved the first game and enjoy paying for content that was already on the disc day one then you'll feel the same about this.

It just has the benefit of being on PC w/ ease of use, etc;

@388677415
@388677328
>if I tell him to get gud surely that means I'm right
Holy shit you're fucking delusional kid. Enjoy your shitty crutch because you can't fucking aim or think for yourself.
@388677584
>Then what the hell are you screaming about? Clearly this isn't a game for you and it's not meant to cater to your "patrician" taste.
It's almost like I'm a new player to the series and was expressing my opinions on the game from my experience from playing it. Really makes you think..........woah....
> Go back to CS:GO and AWPing other shitters instead of whining
Good thing I don't play that trash because it's shit, would have had me otherwise.
>waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah this anon's making valid criticisms about my game waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
I see the Destiny community is also filled with shitters, as well. Unfortunate. Maybe in a few years, when you aren't underage anymore, you'll be able to make coherent posts instead of autsitic spergouts when someone has negative things to say about your favorite game.

Neither of you shitters are getting (You)'s, either.

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>>388678045
>actually caring about (You)s
Holy autismo, Batman

>>388668582

You are a living pustule. At least 90% of DLC for Destiny was already on the disc.

And you can barely consider the game a MMO-lite you fucking turd.

>>388678039
they could have at least made some new reload animations to make it look a bit different

>>388676548
I mean, yeah it is. You like eating shit.

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>Beta
NIGGA IT'S A FUCKING DEMO

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>>388668582
>Destiny
>an mmo

everyone look at this dumb nigger and laugh

>>388677401
Gotta love that uncompressed audio and cutscenes.

>>388668582
DLC that ended up costing day one buyers an extra $60 on top of the $60 they paid for it

And this content was practically required to have an ounce of fun in the game towards end game

>>388668292
>implying Destiny isn't casual trash

>>388677750
I think he's back at Microsoft. Not sure what he's doing but I don't think he's on the Halo team.

And it's not as if he's this be all end all writer. But I don't think the people at Bungie now know what they're doing, at least in term of narrative. Destiny has pretty amazing lore and I think a lot of really amazing stories could be told. I hope I'm wrong but I feel like they're not brave enough to take their own world seriously. Again maybe it's just marketing but the fact that Cayde is incapable of opening his mouth without trying to be funny is terrible and even worse because he's so central to the story. It's starting to feel like Jar-Jar Binks all over again.

>>388671806
Absolutely only a problem on your end you complete fucking retard. How can you be so fucking gay as to talk shit on Bungie when your PC is probably some AMD piece of fucking shit with Walmart internet from a third world country you God damn fucking faggot

>took away custom games
>took away more than 4v4 pvp
>took away talent trees
>took away rng stats on guns
>no dedicated servers
>no 60 fps gameplay
>no 4th class

what good did they even fucking add? Destiny cucks are the new blizzdrones except these guys barely even try

>>388678229
>>388678039
Stop talking about this. The game is perfect. You know what it has? Fun. Something you just wouldn't understand.

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>>388678241
Twenty minutes later and that's what you came up with?

>>388678591
>took away rng stats on guns
>this is a bad thing
Oh fuck off you ricefarming autist

>>388678045
>caring about (You)s
Anyways, your "legit criticism" is nothing but whining about game mechanics that have been there since the first one. You're complaining about it not being what you imagined it to be and being a pissed off little brat for not being able to "outplay shitters".
Nothing you said was constructive, or even criticism. You are blatantly crying about getting killed and blaming the game for it. It's like losing a game of chess and then saying that the Queen is too OP and the game would be better without it.

>>388678591
>took away rng stats on guns
This is good though.

>>388678591
>No 60 fps gameplay

??????????????????????

>>388678591
>took away custom games
There were custom games?

>took away talent trees
They aren't taking that out.

>took away rng stats on guns
Those will likely still be in along with further customization to your guns. They likely have these guns in the beta as static items.

>no 60 fps gameplay
What fucking toaster do you play on?

>>388668042
it's a solid 8/10 if you like co-op
>Great gameplay
>GREAT co-op play, can aggro enemies while others flank, etc
>10/10 graphics and presentation
>intresdasting story
But
>Linear as fuck level design that keeps you going forward
>No reason to explore, no hidden collectibles or even pickups
>Lame loot system (Borderlands did it better)
>Worst PvP experience I've ever had in a shooter

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>>388678045
You know by just doing the @ bullshit you're still giving them attention you autismo supremo.

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>>388668154

>>388678935
for the first one meant to say
>great GUNplay

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>>388678039
Except it's not,

>all your abilities barely do any damage
>Remove 6v6 and replace it with 4v4
>maps are all smaller
>sniper rifles,fusion rifles,shotguns are now useless power weapons
>due to that the weapon variety is even smaller now
>Everything is slower now so it's better to camp than run in
>every match is just people taking pot shots at each other with an assult rifle, or pistol and the occasional ability activating.


I loved Destiny 1 PvP but this is a fucking bore fest. If you're going to make abilities that useless just take them out. It already feels like another generic shooter now.

Don't even get me started PvE,, bungie catered to the esports faggots and now their game is ruined

>super charges at double the rate and heavy ammo feels 3 times more plentiful
>enemies are no longer bullet sponges and a single melee is enough to kill grunts again
Ignoring how well it runs on PC, they're already balancing it in a good way. And good god is it a much better game with 60fps and a better fov. Not to mention it's easier firing from the hip with a mouse. Feels like a completely different and much faster paced game.

>>388668042

>It's a hand cannons are going to be the meta for the next year episode

I really don't understand why Bungie can't balance their game properly. There's literally no reason not to use a handcannon over anything else. AGAIN for the millionth time this is going to be the meta just like it was all through out Destiny 1

>>388678774
>>388678874
>>388678897
>>388678929
oh look the defense force can only talk about rng and 60 fps when those aren't the major problems

eberytime

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>>388678591
>The new blizzdrones
>Blizzard and Destiny both owned by Activision
>They're all just Activision fanboys
>In 2017

>>388678591
>took away talent trees
Those were pretty shitty in D1. Now I'd personally rather have the idea expanded but what they did with D2 is still better then how it was in D1.

>took away rng stats on guns
How is that a bad thing? Guns now actually might feel unique rather then something to grind hopping you randomly get the perfect roll.

>no 4th class
Why? I feel like that's classic case of misguided quantity over quality. I'd rather they make the existing classes more unique then to just add a new one.

I agree with the other stuff tho. Why Destiny doesn't have something like Forge or why it took them so long to get custom games in only to remove them is absolutely beyond my understanding.

>>388678897
>>388678929
I'm gonna assume he's talking about consoles. And while I understand the reason for limiting it to 30 fps is technical and unfortunate part of hardware limitation of the consoles I still think it's very unfortunate after I've played the game at 165.

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>>388679132
>state an obviously false fact
>get called out for it
who'da thunk?

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>>388679132
>Make an autistic statement
>Anyone who calls you out on it is with the defense force
Really makes the brain shart

>>388668042
Enjoyed the Strike quite a bit. PVP is a fucking mess.

>>388668213
I think more than 16c16 is a waste because it becomes a total clusterfuck where nothing really matters

>>388678591
>took away talent trees
I'm still downloading. Please explain.

>>388676695
Still no proof?

>>388679330
I think it depends on the type of game. And I think considering even 6v6 in D1 is kind of a clusterfuck going even bigger would make it even worse unless you completely changed the gameplay for that.

I found the beta pretty boring however I know how much fun D1 can be so I'm not too worried about it

>>388668394
Will i be able to pve with my bros pc to ps4? The answer is no. No gaem for me

>>388668042
Kinda meh, might pirate.

>really like the exalted blade warlock
>but the class restricts their armor to ugly trenchcoats

God fucking damnit. Why is the class with the funnest ult in the game the ugliest to look at?

>hates halo, loves destiny

what did they mean by this

How do I get good at aiming with a mouse, /v/ros?

This game is pretty shit, at least blizzard has an excuse that it's Activision. They must have forced them to put it on the launcher.

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>>388679489
>Always-online multiplayer
>Pirate

>>388679460
I think you would need a BF size map and even then it can decend into a clusterfuck depending on the layout

>>388668815
>there is random loot, didnt find the minotaur robot
Explain, please

just wish there would be more then 4v4 game modes.

>>388679559
How did you get good at walking?

Practice.

So will there be more skills/abilities in the main game? I'm playing the Titan that gets out a shield as his super ability and my options seem a bit limited. I can shoot people, punch people, punch people but it has a cooldown and gives me an overshield or make myself a grenade magnet by dropping a shield wall. Best use I've found for the shield wall is blocking a door in competitive since people don't realise that it damages them. I never played Destiny 1, if that isn't obvious.

>>388679682
as long as iron banner is still 6v6 i'll be relatively happy

I'm tempted to buy it desu, but I don't like that it will be a month late and consoles will have put out guides for everything

>>388679641
If you go to the right at the start of the strike there is a huge part of the map you can explore. it has spawns there it also has gates that open up and can shoot you around the map. You can get a vehicle. and several of the yellows drop loot. Though many times its empty because of the loot list including items not in the beta.

>>388679682
pls preorder then buy the dlc then we'll add more thx, it's too hard to copy/paste modes, sorry

>>388679752
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHA

>plug in controller
>absolutely destroy in pvp

thanks for the advantage ;)

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>>388679357
They casualized it, you can no longer customize your class anymore

>>388679743
Go to your character, top left shows your class. Right click.

WOW you now have options on abilities.

>>388679743
>Shield Titan in PvP
Try the Striker class, now. Have fun with your Fists of Havoc and super-charged tackling people.

>>388668154
This sounds about right. At least Warframe plays well, Destiny is just sluggish slow garbage.

Honestly is this really the game consolebabs were praising so much? They have even worse taste than I realized

>>388679854
No they did not. And the top right 4 boxes are your active abilities you have selected. Same for the bottom 4 you don't have unlocked.

It's there to simplify the UI.

>>388679559
Turn your sensitivity way down. Turn off mouse acceleration in windows. And, if you're feeling extra faggy go to one of those mouse training websites

>>388679853
Lol do you get aim assist for using a pad?

>>388679854
See how it branches out to a bottom path as well? It'll probably end up having more options.

>>388679854
This is means to balance shit. Also
>what is a beta?

>>388679559
use aim assist like everyone else

>>388679941
>warframe
>plays well
>AI jank everywhere
>won't even be a threat ever
>90% of the time they stand still not even firing
Wow, sooo good.

>>388673213
>party finder for raids
>when even using LFG where you could guarantee people had mics was a shitshow

>>388680041
>what is a beta?
The game comes out in a week dude

>>388679854
>They casualized it
>implying D1 "talent tree" had depth
I honestly can't tell if people are trolling anymore with this or if they're being genuine.

>>388679978
You always have the top four OR the bottom four.
You cannot mix

>>388680072
I didn't say it's good, I don't play Warframe.
Better than this hot garbage though

>>388680010
yes and the best part is there is a exploit where you can simulate using a controller but instead be using m&kb and get aim assist

>>388679981
>mouse training website
>doesn't play OSU to get those reflexes and his mouse layout memorized
pleb tier.

>>388679941
Warframe has nothing in comparison to Destiny's raids, though.

>>388680041
Betas are to test servers and fix last minute bugs. No gameplay changes will be made