Dissidia Final Fantasy NT CLOSED β スレ VII

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>AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>OOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>AAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Any of you cancerous faggots know if a anon is currently streaming?

>>388662148
Why do we have to be "cancerous"

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>>388662106

>The Name's Bartz!

>>388662768

Looking good!

>when you lose and come in first
Ain't even mad

>TFW having fun wuth Y'shtola and Shantoto

If those two are fun, then I can't wait to play Emperor and Kefka!

>>388663542
Emperor fits right at home in dissidia. Zone control out of the ass. Just learn how to deal with supporting your allies while you're being pursued and you'll be golden

>>388662768
What's up?

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Literally impossible to win as Cecil

In a 1v1 situation, is there any reason to attack first?

>>388663921
I want to git gud as him since his kit seems like a lot of fun though.

>>388664016
Yes. Your advantage is way higher on the offense than it is on the defense. But more than that, if somebody is playing passively you can just shitpush their allies and then go back to fighting them. I've gotten many brave attacks on people that aren't the guy targeting me simply because he's being passive.

But aside from that, the only thing somebody on defense can do is run, block, evade, or try to bait you into an attack. Where as on the offense two of those tactics are stuffed by reaction speed and the other two can be stuffed by an evade on your own. Less effort for higher results.

>>388663921
>Been playing exclusively Cecil
>silver E now
>lost maybe 3 or 4 matches with him.

Yeah nah chief I just don't think you understand him. If you job switch appropriately his damage is absolutely absurd. Forward+X in Dark Knight after a job switch hits for 1.2k 90% of the time breaking your target and wall rushing them. Plus you have to use the Orb hp attack the flames are literally worthless and terrible. The orbs follow relentlessly, and Paladin's flies super quick for gaurenteed wall rush damage, or Dark's is massive and can easily catch 2+ targets.

>>388664832
>silver E
haha

>dodge is just a short dash
wew

Does matchmaking still take a year? I only have one screen that I share with my ps4/pc so having to wait for matches really kills my desire to play the beta.

The camera combined with the fucking lock-on system is driving me insane.

>>388666572
You got the necessary locks
"closest
"right of you"
"left of you"

I'm not sure how it could be better to be quite honest. Maybe mapping of number on the right stick, but that seems like it'd be confusing in a scramble. Like I know it can be improved upon, but how.

>>388666705
I don't know, first of lock-on should break, if the target enemy dies.I guess i'll get used to it, but it is super unintuitive.

>>388666705
Personally I don't like that the lock-on is bound to the triggers. I think it'd be better if you could flick the right stick to swap between targets and and make the camera work like the psp games.

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Is there anyone who can even come remotely close to our boy?

>>388664832
>Silver E
Like that means shit.

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>>388669686
Thanks for filling my stomach with shield charge.

squalls gunblade gimmick is kinda annoying and not as fun as i hoped.

>>388671657
It'll become second nature if you stick with it. But you have to stick with it.

>>388671657
>>388671774
When the fuck am I supposed to press it? Whenever I get one trigger hit I lose the rhythm right after.

What are the odds of them doing more betas between now and release?

I really like playing as the characters from 1-6, as someone who didn't have a PSP I feel like I was missing out

>>388672695
https://youtu.be/S0gOMWKHe4c

>start off by fighting 1v1 with people, having cool fights and occasionally helping out the team
>Do so-so
>Realize higher level play is literally the opposite of this especially if you're playing an assassin type character, going after whatever nigger isn't looking your direction and getting in as many cheapshots as possible while dodging pursuers
>Start doing way better
I don't know how to feel about this.

>>388672974
Until people get minimap awareness it's the best way to play.

Higher level play it's not 100% effective because people have map awareness so it then becomes on how well you are at breaking their guard.

>>388672771
they might do an open beta to promote the game before release.

>>388672849
That's sorta helpful...

>>388672771
You're still missing out as NT is completely different in approach and execution.

It's funny though because essentially NT is a party fighter if you think of party as in an RPG party.

>>388664940
>>388670103
Sorry I don't have the autism required to play a barebones beta to achieve a rank that will be lost on release anyway. It was more so you get an idea of how many matches I've played to get to silver E would be 24 matches having only lost about 4 of those that's a pretty decent win rate with a character.

>>388673836
I have Silver A with like 3 characters my man. Silver is a non thing, especially when at this low of a level one person can carry the fight on their own.

Also why do we have to default to "it's autism to keep playing something you enjoy". I was just poking fun at the fact that you used Silver E as some point of reference is all.

>>388674049
I feel like it's autism trying to do Squall's inputs goddamn I play fighting games all the time this shouldn't be this hard for me I'm never gonna be a top tier Squall...

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>took me 3 days to notice there's a timer

I know everyone's excited for 1v1 but in a situation like that who would be able to stop characters like Sephiroth? No one?

I like how much of a shitter I feel like when I play Vann.
>Just fucking spam HP attacks until they get fat enough to kill people better
>Most of the time teammates just pick up kills from the people I've been farming with my low damage HP attacks

>>388675238
Game is not built for 1v1. Little kids need to realize this and fuck off if they have a problem with 3v3.

Is it just me or is the 3 strikes and you're out rule more suited to something like 1v1 given the nature of HP and Bravery?

>Wanna play Ace badly
>Not good at Marksmanning
I'll just die all the time

>>388675549
Wait until you get someone wall trapped with his lightning. Holy shit I've had an entire team caught once and just kept lightning spamming them until I had 9999 brave then did his red swirl and triple killed.

My teammates just sat back and watched it happen.

>>388675808
Marksman guide:
Never target people you fire tracking spells on, they'll notice themselves being targeted (target fire, target somebody else)

Never duel in 1 v1.

>>388675789
I also feel like there should be more lives, but when everybody knows what they're doing matches aren't that short. The japs have longer matches in the Arcade version and tourneys when everybody is actually using teamwork and knows better how to stay alive.

>>388676061
Holy shit that's really smart. Oh my god.

How bad is Ramza since people could just knock you out of you trying to apply your buff?

>>388676345
I don't know but it seems to me characters are only as good as the person playing them to some extent you know what I mean?

>>388676345
Apparently shout is godly and steel is even more godly.

>>388676345
Listen. Every character added is generally better than all the ones before them. The vanilla cast has had to be readjusted in arcades a lot because of the power creep on later additions.

How is my boy Sexdeath in this game?

>>388677304
Top tier as usual.

>>388677304
Good. But he's not in the beta

>>388677372

>Not in the beta

I know, and that is the sad part.

What's the philosophy behind the slow-ass wake ups?

>Dissidia doesn't have comb-
https://clips.twitch
.tv/SuaveUnsightlyBorkWholeWheat

>>388678464
Lightning can do a single spell or two into commando but that off the wall shit isn't real, you can guard as soon as you do your wall recovery.

>Teammates are all three deaths and we lose.
Every. Fucking. Time.

FEAR THE VOID!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09SRV6WK2Lg

Does anyone have a picture of all the ranks so I can know what they look like?

>>388679585
shoulda supported them better fampai.
One match where I was clearly outclassed I had an y'shtola who was just wrecking house. Got saved from HP attacks several times by her and our partner. That's how you do it

>>388678237
Ground wake ups give you invincibility for a good amount of time so you can avoid most follow ups after those. Wall wake ups give you the option to jump or fall if they're too slow with their followup. Double wall rushes give you full invincibility

Unless you mean getting up after an hp attack. That's intentional, it's to give the guy who landed the hp attack some room to chase your allies

I can't really imagine villains saying thanks or apologizing. It's gonna be weird in english.

>>388680708
I help out my teammates as much as I can. The problem is nobody knows how to play carefully and end up taking damage/get killed before the round even really gets going or they commit too hard and end up getting double teammed or combo'd into an easy HP attack kill.

>>388680829
Most of them are affably evil. The only person who's too big headed to say thank you "sincerely" is Kuja and even he would probably give a thanks

>>388681159
Yeah but would Sephiroth or Exdeath ever ask for help? Also since the english summoning quotes are so brutal for the heroes what the hell are the villains gonna say?

>>388681285
Sephiroth would ask for help in the same way that he thanks cloud. And exdeath was relatively polite for being a bad guy.

Why didn't you faggots tell me that Kefka can put down a fake summoning crystal that's hilarious.

>>388666705
which button is the closest lock on?

I've fucked up so many games because I kept trying to cycle to the fucker thats attacking me

>>388681627
Both buttons at once. I use it quite frequently, as should you

>>388681563
watch this and have your mind blown

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZlalPrNL0g

Whats that one character that never fails to grind your gears?

I despise Firion, holy shit.

>>388681906
Holy fuck that double kill goddamn he looks like so much fun.

>Playing Y'shtola
>Squall chasing my ass the whole game, keep him away effectively with traps and projectiles while pelting anybody attacking my team
>Enemy summons
>Squall keeps chasing me, I have a shit ton of bravery from spamming at enemies already in fights
>I target somebody else so he thinks I'm not paying attention
>holy ass soon as he gets close to me for the winning kill
That poor bastard. Remember, minimap awareness is your strongest tool.

>>388682679
if that squall had blasting zone he'd have ruined your ass

>>388682921
I'm pretty sure he did, but blasting zone is incredible easy to dodge as long as you aren't fighting somebody else or splatted.

>>388662768
Greetings.

>>388663921
I made it all the way to gold E with Cecil. Acquire proficiency.

>really really want to play Dissidia because I love Final Fantasy
>can't get PSP
>years later Dissidia remake announced for PS4 after starting at arcades
>get hyped just to find out they went in a completely different route and made it focused on motherfucking team-battles
All I wanted was an updated improved version of Dissidia with newer characters and fit for playing in an actual home console and not fucking handheld. Was that too much to ask? If I have to play on a PSP I'd rather not play at all, but I wish fate was good enough to give me a third better option.

>>388682679

Gotta love throwing out traps during chases

>>388681906
It's astounding how much work and care went into all the characters that were released after the vanilla launch. At some point they're going to have to rework the original release characters just to catch up.

Plus the fact that they're not messing with songs as much now versus the remixes and rearrangements they started out with.

It really sucks that we basically got v1.0 for the Beta with some balance updates instead of a version closer to what's out now.

>>388683231
>but I wish fate was good enough to give me a third better option.

Download PPSSPP and play it there.
It's a pretty well optimized emulator since even, a wooden toaster user, could play it.

>>388683297

I always found the villains much crazier than the heroes, but yeah, the starting characters getting helpful buffs would be nice.

>>388683384
The advantage of a proper home console Dissidia was that at home I'd be able to play with friends. Sure playing the psp games may be entertaining for a while, but nothing it does would quench the specific thirst I have for playing a local-multiplayer Final Fantasy fighting game on a couch.
Unless there's mods and stuff I can configure in PPSSPP to do just that.

are they changing the hud?
that's all that matters

>Matchmaking taking ages

Goddamnit

>>388683687
Will there be an offline multiplayer fight mode where the other 2 characters are bot controlled and you can switch between who you control mid-fight?
That is all that matters because that's what I thought the game was going to be.

>>388683687
Yes since people are such babies and can't utilize it. It better keep the damn minimap too I swear if they fucking take it away...

>>388683639
you could simply just get your friend to download it as well. if you wanna try that

You can do lan parties with ppsspp right?

>>388683943
Are you retarded? I'm legitimately asking.

>>388684114
No.

>>388683943
>that's what I thought it was going to be
How in the fuck

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post webums please I don't have a ps4

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>>388684271

>>388684165
You clearly are since 2v2 and 3v3 team fighting games have been the most popular arcade games in Japan for a decade now. The fact that it looked like the Gundam Versus franchise should have told you exactly what kind of game it would be.

>>388684491
>2v2 and 3v3 team fighting games have been the most popular arcade games in Japan for a decade now
Why the fuck should I know that
>The fact that it looked like the Gundam Versus franchise
I don't even know what that is

Are the different weapons tied to costumes? I want Sephiroth's KH costume with that super edgy Oblivion looking sword he has.

>>388684694
Jeez you really are retarded.

>>388684694
Congratulations, you're a fucking retard.

>>388684694
you should stop anon.

Who /WoL/ here?

>>388684943
I am, it's harder for me to win with him than it is shantotto but I plan on using him until I get good

>>388684923
>>388684835
>>388684873
I fail to understand how being unaware of whatever Japanese arcade gamers currently like makes me retarded.

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As much as I love the idea of these kinda games and I fucking LOVE steelbooks, I'm thinking this will be a digital purchase.

Anyway, what are everyone's main areas of pros and cons? Is the HUD serviceable? How's my main boy Cloud?

>TFW lag shitting on my movement

fucking hell

>>388685164
A simple google search when this game was even announced to be beta is far beyond your ability my man

>>388685282
>tfw lag shitting on your fucking targeting
Infuriating

>>388685164
>want to play a Japanese game
>that is aimed at the Japanese market
>and is released in arcades two years ago
>make up in your head what it's like instead of actually looking at the fucking arcade scene it's being released into
You're a fucking retard.

>>388685168
Everything on the HUD is necessary. Cloud is a faggot and only faggots play him he's a cookie cutter average basic bitch.

>>388685457
I found out what it was like and had my disappointment two years ago, when it was announced. I'm just posting about it now.
Also even if had done what you did I'd be stupid but not a literal retard.

Can people please stop splitting up?

>>388662106
Did the developers of ARMS get the inspiration for their music from this game

>>388686126
At least the Arms music doesn't get old after the first 30 seconds.

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>>388686196

>>388686050
You'd still be a retard because you would have made up a concept after it was already announced as a 3v3 fighter. It was never shown before and the day it was announced they said it's a 3v3 fighting game.

You'd be like the guy that said "well I didn't know FFXI/FFXIV are multiplayer games" even though they were fucking announced as MMOs.

>>388685070
I love him. Pulling people in with the shield and then wailing on them is so satisfying.

Would it really be so bad if they gave everyone all their HP attacks?

>>388686369
They could be offline friendly mmos.

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>>388685168
Cloud's alright, seems a little slower this time around. He's become a charge character so now all of his attacks can me revved up to deal some hard hitting blows. It's fun when landing a fulling charged Climhazzard then comboing into a Braver.

>Is the HUD serviceable?
Personally I think it's a god damn mess, but I've come to ignore it and just focus on the center of the screen. Though I kinda wish you can turn off or minimize some of it

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Who else /fragile pride/ here?

>get bested in a 1v1
>desperately try to beat that player again
>get killed again
>have to swallow your pride and gang up on someone else

>>388686601
>offline friendly online game
>majorly minuscule offline game

>>388686616
You'll never be good if you ignore it.

is there a way to get a key for this gay shit

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>>388686649
>1v1
>Win relatively easily
>Go on to attack a different enemy
>The first guy shows up from behind and destroys me
>Lose every other 1v1 against them
It feels like shit every time

>>388686649
It depends on how good a match is going. Usually i'm fine after I land an attack or two

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>>388687182

>>388669686
Firion has been gaining some popularity lately which is weird given how shitty FF2 is apparently.

Is FF2 actually bad?

>>388686850
Occasionally I'll glance at the summon gauge or the minimap and see if I can get a good position to line up a good Meteorain. Other than there's a just a little too much pay attention to imo. I feel old.

>>388687267
Yes. But don't take my word on it. Go enjoy it for yourself.

>>388687267
>ultimate magic hyped up for the entire game as a super destructive force
>when you get it it doesn't do shit
>programmer who fucked it up makes dumb excuse of "well in real life these things that are hyped up to be great can end up beind bad ya know"
You tell me.

>TFW I keep forgetting to block

>>388687487
That is hilarious

>>388661884
Don't give a shit about the game but Shiva is fucking hot

does pre-ordering let you play right away in the beta?

>>388687619
I liked 8's shiva more

>>388687651
from what I hear, but there's a deadline

>>388687487
Are you fucking serious? God damn that's beautiful.

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>>388687619
>Shiva
>hot

>>388686958
Have to sign up on some Sqeenix website for them to send you a closed beta key.

Who is the most fun caster so far?: Yshtola, Terra or Shantotto?

>>388687267
It's badly balanced and the systems aren't intuitive. There's ton of needless grind. A bunch of mechanics don't even work.

However it is the first FF that had a real story as well as a full cast of characters. Pretty much everything people love about FF started with 2. It just sucked to actually play.

Firion is technically the first Final Fantasy hero period.

>>388687267
>unrefined TES style skill/attribute progression in an ATB game
>satanic empire armed with nuclear weapons
>tragic death simulator

>>388687613
>>388687725
100% serious. In fact, I think Sakaguchi noticed the mistake in the Ultima spell's power and wanted to fix it, but the retard programmer did something to keep it in because he refused to admit he fucked it up and wanted to keep his "n-no I was being retarded on purpose you wouldn't understand" excuse.

>>388687945
After watching Ace, Emperor, and Exdeath they're all too boring for me to play but before I enjoyed Shantotto.

>>388687494
>tfw you can side step every melee and dash HP attack because side step dodging breaks tracking

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>>388684271

>>388687945
Shantotto has actual zone control and that shit makes me rock hard. Emperor is going to be my shit. I fucking love zone control.

>>388687975
Sakaguchi is one of the dudes that actually plays his own games that worked at square at the time. A lot of the older interviews that you have to archive to find really warmed my heart.

>>388688375
Man that fucking sucks

Any tips on playing Shantotto?

>>388688375
Goddamn, that garbage fucking HUD is the worst and there are anons that were trying to convince me the PS4 version wasn't going to look like this. I ain't falling for your bullshit again, bitches. KYS

>>388688908
You're a stupid fucking nigger. They already said at Evo that the UI was being changed for PS4. This is literally the same build they had at Evo.

>>388688718
Try and constantly make sure you have a bubble going after whoever you're NOT targeting.

Use neutral attack to get people off of you. Don't forget dash attack when you're in serious mode. Everything else is just marksman stuff.

>>388688375
So what kind of a fucking retard needs a mini-map for a fighting game? I mean the Gen Z are dumb but are they completely fucking stupid? I wouldn't put it that far.

>>388689213
You aren't very bright are you?

>>388689007
I'll believe when I see it, you nigger baby.

>>388689279
>yes I am that retarded. i need a mini-map

>>388689284
I'm not the one crying like a retarded smegma jew who doesn't even realize how fucking old the beta build is. I bet you think they're only going to release the current beta roster too you blue rot cunt cheese.

>>388689381
Not him but the minimap is so you don't get blindsided by people who know what the fuck they're doing. The tethers only are active when you're targeting somebody. Somebody targeting you at the last moment isn't going to have problems.

>>388689381
Whatever floats your boat champ.

>>388689586
Additionally it lets you identify when teammates are in trouble but honestly you're wasting time replying to that troll.

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>>388679640
>Every time a new character comes out the meta is always a team of 3 of them.

>>388690065
Not the meta, it's just people trying out the new character. If you've played SFV lately you know what that's likely.
>normal matches full of nothing but menant

>>388690065
It happens in pretty much every team fighter in Japan. It's fucking atrocious trying to play MBON when Bandai puts a new unit in.

Is Jecht even good?

>>388690608
if that tournament was anything to go by, I'd imagine he's good enough to pick.

>TFW end up with a com in my team

Why is this allowed!

>>388691107
thanks for the free win... idiot!

>>388689213
Funny to see this same old shit response to this webm in particular.
Where Squall only was able to do what he did thanks to the minimap because he was forced locked onto WOL.

>>388691107
You dont lose rank, if you lose a match with a COM

>>388692960

Ah well thats not too bad then.

How long are wait times now? My wait time has doubled it seems

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I can't wait until the full game so I can actually play with my friends. I've gotten to Silver C with Lightning and I just know I'm gonna be so fucking bored again when this beta goes away. Online Dissidia is all I've ever wanted so this game is like a dream come true when it's not laggy.

>>388693032
Earlier today I was getting into games relatively quickly. I haven't had any luck tonight though. Kind of a bummer since I could actually stay up late tonight since I'm off tomorrow. Was hoping to see if I could get out of sliver.

>>388693586
Yea, the game is really fun. But I'm just getting annoyed at the wait times.

>>388693586
I just want to see how 2v2 is.

>>388694005
I guess night time will be a huge dropoff of players now then.

Do you like the different summoning quotes and messages or would you prefer direct from Japanese translation?

Who would've expected Bartz would be so popular? Is he just fun to play or do that many people really like FFV?

>>388694778
He's absolute bottom tier anyway.

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>>388694617
Saying the summon's attack and name is boring.

>>388694778
FFV is THE cult classic FF. It's also one of the favorite of game devs.

It's nice to see the Cloud/Lightning/Squall combo disappear the higher rank you get though.

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>>388694824
Shit man. That actually got a chuckle out of me.

>>388694906
You got a problem with Squall?

>>388694824
Tidus must feel like a cuck seeing how easy it is for literally everyone to dodge Ramuh.

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Who's it gonna be this time? Is it time for Noctis?
http://gematsu.com/2017/08/dissidia-final-fantasy-arcade-new-character-reveal-set-september-5

>>388694263
People that would want to play don't want to play when they get the infinite wait glitch.

>>388694617
I would prefer a direct translation. Another game with shantotto rhyming is going to drive me batty but that's actually fine with me even though there was no reason for it to begin with. What will be inexcusable is if the localization team makes up the text for translation again.

English Dissidia + Dissidia 012 characterization and Japanese Dissidia 012 are so different it boggles the mind. They go from fighting the future and ending the war for good to talking about being lost and wild fucking roses. It's upsetting.

>>388695139
no

>>388695139

Golbez please!

>>388695209
>>388695139
Wasn't it already confirmed to be Golby? Didn't they show his silhouette?

>>388695292
>>388695209
The initial reveal festival picture was all the new character silhouettes overlapping. Arcade data rips are saying it's probably Golbez, Gilgamesh, and Gabranth. They also found data for Thancred and Agrias.

>>388695641
I'm impatient so I just wanna see how they do Gabranth already.

>>388661884
Thanks for keeping the thread tradition going OP. I'm awake again.

>>388695927
welcome back to the world of the living

>>388695641

>Agrias

Time to stasis sword bitches!

>>388662768
More like Fartz hehehe

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Please play as WoL!

>>388696396
I only play as warrior of light

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>>388696396

But I am playing Y'shtola

>>388696396
But he's boring.

>>388696660
Y'shtola try to drop an air trap as I'm dashing at them was WoL
>dash attack straight through it and still hit them

Man y'shtolas need to learn that traps aren't forcefields.

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I hope there'll be /v/ groups when it comes out and there's actual lobbies

>>388696702
He's a lot of fun I swear

>>388696745

Who else has armoured moves besides WoL?

>>388696828
every non marksman. And I mean all of them

>>388696790
No, spamming Shining Wave is fun but beyond that he's lame.

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>>388661884
I swear to god, every time I see OG Cloud in something they have him in darker cloths with his belt closer and closer to a reasonable height for a belt.
It feels like my own personal "blue armed sonic".

https://youtu.be/S0gOMWKHe4c

I hope you're timing your Squall hits.

>>388697252
Direct all complaints to Nomura.

>>388697252
there's a purple alt

>>388696828
some characters have magic armor moves

>>388669686
How does that stupid fucking hat even stay on his head?

>>388697667
Every melee character that isn't cecil or lightning can just bulldoze right through traps. Tidus has to be on the ground to get access to his magic fuck you

>>388697361
Fuck you it's hard.

>>388697252
They retconed the SOLDIER uniform colors. 1st class is black, 2nd class is purple and 3rd class is blue.

>>388661884

Thanks you fucker for letting me know there was a closed beta.

Whats my next chance to play the game?

>>388698552
there's an open beta at some undisclosed time

>>388698552
You can pick it up at release in your nearest Gamestop!
4theplayers!

I'm Silver B can I feel good about myself yet?

>>388699993
Gold E
And that's still practically bronze G compared to the japanese.

At the end of the match why doesn't it show everyone's points? Also how do you even earn more points?

>>388700305
It only shows the top 2 and whatever rank you were at, if you were in top 2 you only see those.

Its not like this in the Arcade from the Vids I've seen or vs Bots in the Beta.

>>388700457
Yeah arcade shows everybody. I uh. I think it's better this way for an international release given our... sportsmanship

>>388700693
What are you trying to say anon?

>>388700790
NA IS TOXIC

>>388700790
nothing!

>>388700693
NA BM

I don't want to jinx it but is anyone else getting matches much faster now?

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I finally got platinum rank only to realize there's a mythril rank. So I think I've had my fill with this demo now.

>>388701229
There's way more than Mythril too...

>>388701117
yes, it kicks up at this time for whatever reason. I think it's because there are less queries to the server for whatever does matchmaking.

>>388701229
Nigga that shit hits diamond. And our platinum is about as good as japan's Bronze

I didn't even know this was a thing
Guess I need to buy a ps4

>>388701602
>>388701229
Crystal.

So in the arcades do people play online with total strangers? And they still manage to cooperate?

>>388701925
Mostly, yeah, I mean it'd be rude to just walk in with two of your buddies and hog the machines. Some people do it anyway though, and I'm sure there have been organized tournaments where people play in teams, but they do the same thing with Gundam Versus over there and it's easily the most popular multiplayer arcade game.

>>388702654
Man I'll never understand how they do it. Teams could he totally imbalanced. Like what if you end up with 3 Marksmen isn't that bad?

>>388701925
yes, and without much vocal coordination using mostly the in game prompts they organize themselves.

After that it's mostly everybody else doing their job properly

>>388702654
They're allowed to if the machines are marked unlimited play. If they're marked for letting other people play, I'd hope they'd stand up.

>>388662106
as i sat waiting ten thousand years for a match i began to wonder how any employee at square could possibly think this is something people would be okay hearing on such an extended loop, and whether having to hear it constantly in beta testing has driven them quite mad

>>388662106
>>388703176
It worked for Blazblue. Not so much this game.

>>388703248
>It worked for Blazblue.
did it?

>>388703248
IIRC it doesnt use a short loop of awakening the chaos but the whole thing? Which has calm parts to it.

The dissida one wouldn't be as bad either if they used the whole thing instead of that short ass loop.

>>388703176
It's cut for the arcade. Pretty much every problem you can think of right now is because of the arcade version and oversights made by Square and Team Ninja. If the matchmaking were smoother and faster we wouldn't hear it as long, just like how in arcades you don't hear it as often because of arcade video loops whenever the machine isn't in play.

Some streamers TheBrett in particular because he's a hardcore Gundam player. are so tough on this game. I guess I can understand why they wouldn't like it though.

>>388704107
He's a pretty swell guy but his opinion is rather weightless given that he has no desire to learn how to play

>>388703331
>>388703436
https://youtu.be/yFcm6ZJCIKU?t=55s

Don't remember the song name, but it was part of this. Loved it.

>>388704107
I can see where he's coming from. I feel as if the game is weaker than the previous ones, much like Gundam Versus. I still like both games though. Hopefully this garbage matchmaking gets fixed

>>388704107
Anime players are usually pretty locked in to the game they play and anything that's similar enough to interest them but different enough to force them to learn new systems causes some serious hatred to spew.

It's why the blazblue crossovergame is going to bomb across the board.

It's funny though because Japanese Gundam players are generally pretty good at Dissidia arcade as well.

>>388704437
Gundam Versus just has a speed problem in my opinion. Other than that it's pretty much just Versus as usual.

>>388704437
> I feel as if the game is weaker than the previous ones
I'm going to assume you mean 2008 dissidia
and not dissidia 012

>>388704437
Whether Gundam is more fun or not. I like Dissidia because it's FF characters. I've watched the original 3 Gundam anime, but have no idea what the rest of the roster is and don't really have an interest in playing them or against them.

>>388661884
Strengths:
>it looks really fucking good visually, the stages and characters look top-shelf, very high-quality especially with so much shit happening onscreen and no framedrops I could see in practice. Even with Summons rampaging and many magic particle effects onscreen it goes smooth and stays responsive.
>the JP voice dub is pretty decent
>I appreciate that a lot of BRV moves now have wider AOE in addition to covering large distances, to knock enemies away when you want to drop straight from the sky to a ground battle (Cloud is fun for this), or cross a large gap between you and the enemy to engage in BRV melee.

Gripes:
>Way too many bars and numbers to keep track of onscreen. Especially when matches can end incredibly fast. There is no way a human brain can monitor all that shit at once, you end up just focusing entirely on the center of the screen while occasionally glancing at the Summon meter at top left.
>The invulnerability 'fuzz' after getting up from an attack makes everyone look like projected holograms or something. it's like a bunch of flickering ghosts knocking each other around. it was a bit distracting to me
>The camera is horrendous, summons can feel satisfying to summon if they turn the tide of the fight, but you can't even get a good look at them rampaging due to camera being very low to the ground.
>I vastly preferred the PSP setup of Circle for BRV and Square for HP, with X for jump. Irritating to get used to, I found myself jumping repeatedly instead of going for my BRV moves.
>I much preferred the original set up of equipping the moves I wanted to create interesting combos. Only having one HP attack per character is really boring.
>The Tutorial is the worst thing I've ever seen, it clearly demonstrates that way too fucking much is going on in every match

7/10 it's more fun than expected but still just made me want HD Duodecim instead.

>>388704784
I'd rather never go to duodecim again:
Infinitan
Exdeathan
Rush cancellin
Kuja Assistan
Out tierian
Ultimican
High Priorityan
15 minute matchin

If I never have to deal with that again it'll be too soon

>>388704784
Thanks for confirming I'm not human I guess.

Also custom load outs already exist in arcade and characters with multiple HP attacks generally have weaker BRV attacks due to them being HP focused.

>>388705027
>"i never want to deal with [lists the entire progression of the duodecim meta] again"
in terms of being a fanservice FF game, duodecim is way more fun than this, the gorgeous graphics aren't a balanced stand-in for the simple, fun gameplay of dissidia psp slapfights, it was simple to understand with just HP, BRV, and Ex meter. And Ex mode added cool character transformations which I am really bummed to see go

also way too much focus on Summons, i never thought of summons as a focal point, they were just stat modifiers and yugioh trap cards basically

>>388704784
Ah shit I guess I'm like half robot I'm practicing looking at the mini map and monitering everyone's brv and hp. Makes the game a lot more active.

>>388705145
you aren't going to tell me you think that UI is good, no fuckin way

even if you have 200apm in SC1 or something it's still an eyesore and does a bad job of conveying the info the player actually needs to know. keeping in mind that cooperation is supposed to be crucial, which means all 3 teammates have to be firing on all cylinders, to monitor like 12 bars/gauges + a mini map + the actual gameplay in the center of the screen

>>388705350
It's not that much dude.

>>388705205
>too much focus on summons
They're one and done affairs, and dissidia duodecim summons had no counterplay

also
>progression of the meta
You must not have fought with many people. The first few months of dissidia were fun until everybody started picking the objectively best assist. And if your character was shit tier you were ass out of luck. Have fun landing an hp attack against a competent player as garland without an assist

moreover the fanservice was comically marred by a terribly translated script, whereas the translators outright made up many lines "based on what the characters personality would be like"

I did like EX attacks but dissidia was balanced to shit. It really was a single player fighting game. And that's fine, but I've always wanted a dissidia that played more how I always wanted it to be, with the forces of cosmos and chaos fighting it out. When I saw the party mode for versus I was besides myself in joy until I found out that it was just still a series of 1 on 1 matches.

This is the game I've always dreamed about.

>does a bad job of conveying the info the player actually needs to know.
Let's be realistic about this
1) your position to the boundaries and by proxy, walls
2) Enemy targets and the direction they're headed
3) Health of allies and enemies
4) If somebody is channeling
5) The current break bonus
6) The status of the summon meter

It gives you every necessary bit on information you need to succeed. Now is it a bit big? Sure, but every single piece of information given to you is necessary.

>>388705350
It's not aesthetically pleasing but I get all the information I need quickly. It really isn't difficult. You're probably over complicating it all by yourself.

Tethers show when someone is targeting you and turns red if they're attacking. Mini-map shows positions of your team, crystal, and enemy so you know relative distances.

You can easily see the brave and HP of your team and the enemy team and what skills they have active.

You can see summoning indicators easily as well.

The life stocks operate like a health bar visually as well so it's simple to keep track of.

The only thing that's really broken is how much the timer blends in, but matches don't last long enough even at high level play for that to matter.

>>388705698
i barely even understand what the win conditions are, or what half the shit on the screen actually does. why is there a timer at all? how do you activate the break bonus? why does nobody online actually listen when someone singles out who they're focusing on by number? it instantly becomes a big clusterfuck, or enemy team just gangs up on people one by one

i've seen someone end a match in less than 30 seconds

>>388705839
Well Jesus Christ are you stupid or something? How can you be playing and not know this?

>>388705839
You don't even know the most basic mechanics?

>>388705897
>>388705892
the win conditions were very clear on PSP: reduce HP of enemy to zero. Activate Ex mode for HP regen, and a super attack to potentially make a comeback or straight up end the fight.

Now it's, kill the enemy team a couple of times? since there is respawn now, and i have seen fights take 15 minutes or half a minute, it varies wildly.

>>388706074
At this point I feel like you haven't played the game at all or you're just willfully ignoring all the information the game gives you or you're a retard.

>>388705839
You're uh. You're kidding right? How can you levi complaints to the tutorial and yet not know basic game mechanics

Also
>>388706074


>15 minutes
there are no 15 minute fights as the limit is 5 minutes.

>>388706074
Are you actually this stupid?

Purple brave means you can one hit kill. Depleting all the enemy brave and then hitting them means they're broken and can be killed by any HP attacks no matter the power.

You kill 3 people and you win. The team health bar is even divided into three segments and each segment depletes with a kill.

The timer is 5 minutes too you retard.

It's stupidly simple.

Best friend's a great guy. I don't understand his intolerance to learn game mechanics, though. He was complaining to me that you can't recover, how wall attacks were bullshit... Just doesn't make sense, man. That's the game. You can't just jump in and be a master.

>>388706407
This is why fighting games are so niche now.

>>388706407
There's also the people that think this beta is all there is even though a simple google search would tell you how much content is in arcade right now.

>that guy who scores 200 points and is silent the entire match

What the fuck was his problem?

>lose a game
>only lose 1 point

Ain't even mad

>>388706648
He's embarrassed cause everyone saw him fuck up on stream.
I ended up bullying a streamer and didn't even realize it until I started getting messages on PSN from his fans lol. Just Firion range combo'd him with a side step cancel to get forward the whole time leaving him stuck against a wall until I got to 5k brave and super vortex killed him.

These people don't realize they should just hold L1 on wake up.

>>388706210
>Depleting all the enemy brave and then hitting them means they're broken and can be killed by any HP attacks no matter the power.
This is not a thing dude. Breaking bravery just means you get the 1000 bonus and they are going to reset to 1000 slowly.

>>388706889
Holy shit who was it? That sounds hilarious I gotta see it.

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>>388707056
助っ人参上!

>every time you rank up every single character is raised to the next tier of ranking below your current rank
How did I not notice that until now? I just got to fucking Mithril rank. God I'm dumb.

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>>388707445
Post proof. Also is my captcha trying to tell me something???

>>388707582
Just go look at your characters when you hit Gold. They'll all be Silver E. When you hit Platinum they're all Gold E.

>>388707669
Yeah I will but I want to see what the Mythril rank looks like since i'll never get there. Who do you main?

>>388707847
Firion right now, but I play Garland and Ramza in arcade.

>>388707890
>Firion
You filthy bastard I hate you but it's a respectful hate.

>>388706889
>These people don't realize they should just hold L1 on wake up.

Don't even need that, too many people don't realize you cancel your invincibility the very moment you try to throw out an attack.

>>388687953
>Firion is technically the first Final Fantasy hero
holy shit your right, I wonder why it wasn't obvious until now

There's nothing more in this world that I want than the story mode to be at least remotely translated correctly.
I'm praying really hard the dissidia team from the psp games either improved or work elsewhere

>>388709649
Yeah, it won't be. Look at how much liberties they've taken with quick communication commands and summoning.

>>388709737
Thankfully I've ascended into weebdom so I won't have to suffer such a butchered script ever again. If you ever learn japanese, do yourself a solid and play through japanese dissidia.

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>GET EMMMMM
When? And Good?

While I'm talking about a gun character, wonder if they will do FFX-2 Yuna because of the summon system in this.

>>388709806
Goes with almost anything. After learning Japanese, seeing an English movie with Japanese subtitles or vice versa, the translation loses 50% of the actual content and there's also bad translations as well which changes meanings entirely.

>>388710237
>Yuna's HP attacks only charge the summon gauge

>>388710372
That would be hilarious honestly. Truthfully I want Eiko in of all the summoners along with a Fenrir addition. If they do Phoenix then bring Tenzen from FFXI in.

>>388710360
The fucked part is dissidia 2008 for all it's changed words wasn't THAT bad. Like shit such as Warrior of Light saying "the light is with us" instead of "is with me" is like, who gives a fuck. The meaning was still there, yeah. However, Duodecim doubled down on retardation changed words AND meanings and completely blew away most of Sephiroth's lines.

how did they manage to make the netcode this bad?

>>388710690
The netcode when it works, works extremely well. But when it's bad. It's bad. Like, man that shit is All Star Battle tier.

>>388710762
i've had way more matches with poor connection than ones with good ones. though you are right, when it works it feels pretty good, but jeez.

>>388710864
Oh man it's either that you're extremely unlucky or you might be the problem

I'd say in match quality averages I'm about 80/20. Which is still unacceptably high but not so high that it would affect my overall playing experience. Here's hoping you get a run on good luck

>>388710957
i've had a ton of matches yesterday and the day before that were fine. idk if it was the patch that made it worse for me, but it's really disheartening. as i do really want to like the game

>>388710762
I've never played all star battle but as bad as matches here can get with stutter I've not had the average shit experience of trying to play smash online with 4 randoms where a second can last 10, while this game has to sync up 6 people.

>>388711026
That patch is fucky for sure. I think that if the NA dissidia scene is marred by terrible servers or whatever, as long as the netcode is gundam versus tier for japan i might just play with them.

But that's like a worse case scenario. From what I read they're dealing with this nonsense as well

https://youtu.be/ad9kKsbt-TE?t=487
>that tidus finish

Oh man we've hit the point where only the hardcore people are in the beta.

>>388711605
So the good part?

>>388711710
Not even close. That means it's matching Mithril players with gold players.

So the Arcades had no meta, but the console version obviously will have one. What do you think, how will it look like?

>>388711791
I've played against a few mithrils and they didn't seem to have their shit better together than silvers.

>>388711940
I don't think meta's can exist in a 3v3. No matter how good your individual character is, teamwork is always stronger.

>>388711963
Team games usually reach a meta faster than 1v1. Look at how fast Gundam Versus turned into the FAZZ/Hot Scramble meta.

>>388712079
I think that has more to do with the subpar balance than anything else. When you have something as ridiculous as FAZZ where the difference is so obvious that even middling skill level players know it's a problem, you have a problem.

The arcades had power creep and dealt with that with a number of patches that tweaked things, changed recovery timings, etc etc. As long as they remain as diligent for single player as they are in the arcades, the only thing that will stay meta will be the summons

>>388712256
It's funny because at launch people considered FAZZ shit and the meta to be hot scramble and epyon and suddenly it's the most broken unit up until Perfect Pack came out.

>>388711963
It's the opposite. In a team-game, where individual skill is less important, an optimal team composition is what gives you the edge over the opponent.
Proper fighting games like Tekken don't have a meta or anything like that, unless there is a cray broken character.

>>388712320
FAZZ and hot scramble were nerfed. i dont remember if epyon was. though i havent played much after that patch

>>388712424
>In a team-game, where individual skill is less important, an optimal team composition is what gives you the edge over the opponent.
That's certainly the case in mobas but that's because the power difference in those are so comically ridiculous that you're hampering yourself by not picking something.

But to spin your example on it's head, what was the most popular composition in Marvel vs Capcom 2?

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>>388661884
Shit a game I'll actually by a PS4 for. How many waifus are in it?

>>388712543
Terra is best girl

>>388712424
>proper fighting games don't have a meta
That's a good joke.

>>388712424
>Fighting games don't have a meta
You fucking what?

>>388712543
Still waiting on Ultimecia.

>>388712736
She won't be anywhere near how broken op she was in dissidia duodecim

>>388712484
I don't play mvc so i don't know, but probably something with sentinel. But i don't really understand what you are trying to say. I'm sure mvc has some meta teams, but that would prove my point of team games having a meta.
>>388712612
>>388712643
Tier lists are not meta. Or maybe you can give me examples of a meta in a 1v1 fighter.

>>388712917
>tier lists are not meta
How are you actually this fucking stupid? That means no game has a meta.

>>388712917
Also mvc isn't a team game you dumb shit. It's a 1v1 with 3 characters for lives. You don't play with another player on your side.
Holy shit stop talking about fighting games since you clearly don't know shit about them.
You also somehow missed out on the Fei Long meta, Rose meta, E.Ryu meta, and Elena meta of SF4 too.

>>388712917
>but that would prove my point of team games having a meta
MvC isn't a team game.

>>388712917
It's time to stop posting.

>>388713068
>>388713228
>>388712960
Am i arguing with retards or is this the standard for 3vs3 anime brawlers?
In a perfectly balanced 1vs1 fighter, people would play whatever they wanted, period. In a perfectly balanced moba/overwatch/w.e.. people would still run a team that consists of 2 snipers 1 healer and 2 tanks or whatever there is, maintaining a meta.
If you think that high rank Dissidia will consist of people playing their favorite FF characters you are fucking delusional.

>>388713626
Nigga you're just dumb enough that a bag of rocks has a higher intellectual capacity for thought than you. You also have no fucking clue what meta is and confuse team comp for meta.

>>388713068
>Fei Long meta, Rose meta, E.Ryu meta, and Elena meta of SF4 too.
That was shit balance and not a meta

>>388713626
You have no idea what you're talking about.

>>388713803
>picking a top tier character because they're top tier isn't playing the meta
Jesus fuck even /fgg/ isn't as stupid as you are.

>>388713626


team composition i.e defense offense, support, is not the same as meta. Nor is that applicable.

Furthermore, matchmaking doesn't pair you up depending on your role. And if we're going by tournament results, you indeed can pick your favorite FF characters and do well.

>>388713803
>That was shit balance and not a meta
You what?

>people are defending 3vs3 with a burning passion
why?

>>388714135
If you think that's what this is you're sorely mistaken my friend.

Does Kefka's laugh sound alright? I never played the PSP games so ive only ever seen him in the SNES game. Id imagine itd be hard to get a laugh from that era right.

Holy shit Brett is so mad about Dissidia he really hates it and doesn't want anyone to buy it. God this is hilarious.

>>388714556
Is that that guy who looks like Fat Noctis?

I literally just preordered the steelbook when I picked up Kiwami earlier. Oops.

>>388714603
Yes that guy. He's really against the the whole wall splat thing.

>>388714556
The madder he gets the more likely it is he'll turn around and start liking it at launch to the point he'll want to be the stream faggot

>>388714664
Maybe he shouldnt be bad enough to get cornered then. Is Max still terrible too?

>>388714739
Max is bad at all fighting games.

>>388714739
Yeah but he's talking about technical stuff at least and he wants it to be better I guess.

>>388714556
He's pretty bad and wants to put in absolutely no effort in learning. Most of the fights have him doing fake ass duels halfway across the map from his team.

Was cecil today and would do entire fights as dark knight, squandering the buff you can get from form switch

>>388714845
He's wrong as hell though. Why is he calling it tech instead of just wake up or okizeme? Teching in fighting games is when you negate a throw with another throw.

No Noctis, no buy

>>388715082
Keep your eyes peeled then

>>388695641
Where's the source for all these datamines people mention? I've heard about this and a datamine with two FF12 characters

>>388715772
I don't know where people get this information from but I do know that it's been repeated all up and down the pipeline. As for the actual initial source? Who knows.

>>388716286
Arcade owners. They receive the updates to add to machines and can look at them.

>>388715082
He'll likely come out at or around release.

雷200回連続でよけろ

>>388716871
Nani

>>388715067
wake up and okizeme are different things. A wallsplat in dissidia is a combo extender that you can't break, or you could also say an untechable combo extender.

Edgar when

I want more 1-6 characters

>>388714791
He's still better than most of /fgg/ in their respective games.
To bad he's unfunny.

>He doesn't say hello to teammates before the match

>>388719784
I do that at all times. It's only courtesy.

>>388719798
>>388719784
In Japanese, it has a stronger meaning as many characters say yoroshiku. But, I agree you should be speaking to your team with greetings, thanks, sorry, farewells, etc.

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>>388721120
Why do you want him so badly?

>>388721271
Consistent SS.

>I'm not worried about the new players I'm worried about the people who have played the old Dissidia before. If they keep playing going "It's fine it's fine" and ignore the game's flaws and how hard it is for new players to learn it's going to be bad.
Hm...

>>388721448
This is my first Dissidia and I'm consistantly 1st placing with Firion. Having fun too
Seems like a "think of the children" line.

Any hopes of square sending a code? Still waiting, I fear I'm left behind.

Spent around 2 hours total fooling around in practice because I don't want to infuriate people.

Tried to play Squall because VIII is my favourite FF after IX, but Zidane looks like a dork but he's too boring. Switched to Firion and love playing as him. His moveset is way more fun. Having hard time getting used to the cnotrol scheme and can't read enemies moves properly to put block in time, but I feel like playing with absolutely retarded bots won't get me anywhere. Should I just go into online and hope for the best?

>>388721120

Kefka can't come soon enpugh!

>>388723387
Obviously it's not like any of this carries over to the full game so it doesn't matter how much you suck ass. Also Squall was boring for you because you weren't doing his trigger hits.