DPS is the only respectable role.

No healer is because its a boring as shit job and people only do it because nobody else is willing.

>>388660117
This is how DPS spend their time in dungeons. Imagining they're not mindless drones.

>>388660117
>Play Tank
>bored, dropped it immediately

>Play DPS
>enjoy the big damage but still don't feel quite okay

>Play Healer
>in control of my party, choose who is living and dying, choose which buffs to apply etc., no better feel
>always play healer afterwards

I still prefer DPS to tank, but I was surprised to how much I enjoyed playing healer instead.

>>388663468
Are you by any chance gay or a woman?

>>388663583
Neither. Playing healer feels like having the biggest role in deciding the fate of the battle imo.

>>388663667
I mean, by that logic you could decide the fate of the battle by not hitting things too.

If dps is so great why is all dps I've played with bad at dps?

>>388663782
Had to come into this thread to tell you that that's probably the worst argument I've heard in a while.

>>388663782
>decide who is living and who is dying
>decide who is going to deal more damage with buffs
>decide which enemy to exploit and how with debuffs
>thinking I am not controlling the flow of the battle just because I don't hit the enemies
Typical DPSbaby. Try to hit with 0 HP or deal decent damage without my buffs

>>388663782
By that logic you could decide the fate of the battle by killing yourself IRL whilst playing the game.

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Tanks have the hardest role because I said so, which is a better argument than anything else in this thread, so there you go.

Someone make a version of this image but with PSO2 as the 4th panel

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>>388663782

More like things will just take a little longer while the healer does your job, too.

>thread full of WoW babies that never did anything harder than LFR
all roles matter and all roles have a purpose

>>388664116
>healer also in charge of buffs

oh i fucking love this

>that one cunt being an utter asshole about everything
>doing pretty good and a credit to team, but a total asshole
>also cares a LOT about where his damage output stands in relation to the group
>threaten to remove his damage buffs and ruin his DPS ranking for the raid if he doesn't stop being such a dick to everyone he's working with

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>>388660117
>DPS players thinking anything they do is remotely complicated relative to healing/tanking roles

You are literally the lowest common denominator.

>>388660117
If your role doesn't have you doing quadruple integrals and fourier transformations then it's shit.

>>388663468
healer best for pvp. trolling the shit out of dpstards till they think they're about to get a kill then push their hp back to full is best feeling.

>>388664572
Ideally the role should be so difficult no human can perform it correctly, and you have to use machine learning to create an AI to do it for you.

>>388663468
yes, healing has the most utility and you can beat ppl up in pvp. most alpha class

tank's difficulty has nothing to do with the boss or mechanics but more about knowing the whole fight beforehand and being proficient in mmos in general
I love playing it but I don't have a lot of experience and I panic trying to get everything in order, especially whe everyone else with years of time into these games ahead of me is barking orders in lingo I don't understand

>there was a time DPS had to worry about their aggro generation

>>388664824
2 tanks + a skilled healer is an invincible PVP combo in almost any MMO.

>>388664426
Same. When I say healer I usually refer to control classes in general, gotta love applying them buffs and debuffs.

>>388664578
Kek. Too much of a nice healer to actually do that.
Also imo the lowest common denominator is Tank, not DPS; even if most games allow tanks to deal decent damage by themselves so I guess pure DPS classes only really make the battles faster in the end.

>>388660186
I actually have the most fun healing. Healing classes also usually have the armor I like the most.

>>388664391
Modern healers will never face the choice of letting a tank die to salvage a run.
Modern tanks will never face having to suddenly lose all aggro, or you die.
Modern gamers will never do a boss, where half of your raid dying is just another day at the office.

>>388660117
I mean in most games its hard to argue this. Both a tank/healer have such a basic strict roll usually but a DPS is basically the murder machine. You have to master mechanics/dodge if possible and not distract the shitters from their rolls too much.

There are mmos so braindead this hardly matters though.

>>388665032
Hey there, healbro

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>DPS players actually believe they aren't babysat throughout raids by tanks and healers

The absolute of state of damage dealers. You are here to press 1,2,3,4,1,2,3 etc.. while we shepherd you retarded fucks through whatever raid/instance we're doing.

>>388665032
>I actually have the most fun healing.
I bet you also have the most fun taking a dick in every hole you fucking slut

>>388663468
>choose who is living and dying

This is a red flag for faggot drama whores, just fucking heal you piece of shit, fucks sakes.

Why can't we all just get along?

Nigger have you ever played Brewmaster Monk? Or just Monk in general?

>That chair when I deal more dmg as a Warrior in Heavensward then dedicated Damage Dealers.

>the virgin dps
>the chad healer

>>388665115
Actually no, that healslut shit is pretty fucking gay dude. I just healing my amigos and, you know, healing people. Nothing better than coming upon a random dude dying and saving his life.

>>388665078
What's up dawg.

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Prot Warrior here, everybody is doing great no matter what roles you play

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>>388665032
Healing is by far the greatest fun you can have in an MMO setting. Thankless, because people only notice you when you fuck up - But when you get recognized as "That based healer" everybody wants in their group? Lawdy that's a good feel.

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>>388665203
no

>>388663468
>is a healer with control issues
literally worst kind of healer, say what you want about bitch boy/gf healers they do their job to help the team instead of just being a healer to fuel their megalomania

>>388665359
I would literally take 5 competent prot warriors over 20 faceroll DPS any day.

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>>388660117
If it weren't for us Tanks, you'd be a smear on the carpet.

>>388665557
Fuck off glasses c@

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>>388660117
>dps brainlets will actually believe this

>>388665539
Why can't healers just be regular people?

>>388664648
At best, the role should require the player to augment their brain while an external program runs multiple simulations of the battle and feeds the player the optimal routine.

>>388665676
Find me a regular person who plays an MMO first.

>>388665032
Same, but only in games wher healing isn't flash heal whack-a-mole (paladin/priest in WoW). Scholar in FFXIV has been very enjoyable.

>>388665676
There are but good luck finding them between the hordes of control freaks and the ones that get off to being dominated

>>388665676
They're there, they're just the ones you pay even less attention to in a group you already don't pay attention to unless they fuck up or outright cry for attention

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All three roles are effortless and braindead, always have been. What's worse is that each one has a throbbing victim complex.

Trinity is cancer.

Healer
Tank
DPS

in that order of difficulty

>Make a holy priest for the beginning of WoTLK
>Played Hunter for Vanilla/BC
>Find out I fucking love healing and I'm actually pretty good at it.
>Get in respectable guild
>Become priest class leader in said guild
>Everyone is bros
>Other priests would come to me for help with gear/gem options
>Get sever first Nax/EoE
>Peoplestopplayingwow.txt
>Come back to play Legion
>Holy priests play incredibly different, might aswell be a different class
>The varied and extensive spells are removed and whittled down to 4 faceroll spells that are basically HEAL ONE PERSON, HEAL TWO PEOPLE, HEAL A GROUP, HEAL FUCKING EVERYONE
>Instantly lose remaining hope I had in the game

What the fuck happened lads.
On another note, spirit stacking was the hidden meta in WoTLK and you were a bad holy priest if you didn't do it.

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>tank gotta DPS while having by far the biggest responsibilities, and self-healing, even off-healing if you're paladin master race
>healer only DPSs on very rare occasions
>DPS has the easiest time because if it was hard no raid would be able to progress because most players are retarded

tank>all, always

>tfw telling a healer to fuck off during a dungeon run and tanking without heals, and keeping everyone alive with offheals and the occasional BoP/LoH

>>388665837
>only in games wher healing isn't flash heal whack-a-mole
patrician tastes

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>>388664578
>magical dps tries to kill me
>eventually runs out of mana and runs away

>>388665146
The point is that healers are in control of that, not necessarily implies I just let people I don't like die or whatever.
But say I have to choose between a Tank and a DPS dying if I can't heal both, for instance.

>>388665539
What are you even on? It just means I liked playing healer because it feels more in control of the battle and the party, that is the whole point of support/control classes.

>>388660186
Healing can be fun. My favourite build in Diablo 2 was a cleric Paladin even though the game wasn't really designed for it.

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> tfw too stupid to sneak ahead of the group for the 80th time to try to backstab the boss
> tfw you're too busy doing differential calculus in your head to notice you pulled again
> tfw a complete solution to Fermat's Last Theorem is required to know when you're supposed to stack Eviscerate
> tfw putting together your spiky hoodie set requires a Millennium Prize, a Nobel in Physics and your mom's credit card

G-g-guess I'll stick with tanking, then.

>>388664909
Yes, but they had to remove it because dps brainlets couldn't deal with not spamming their button for 2 seconds.

>>388660117
Go to a real raid as Healer (no, FFXIV doesn´t count) and compare the stress to looking just after a rotation of 4 buttons and avoiding random areas, which tend to be DPS´s/Tank´s job.

Tanks have the biggest egos and simplest responsibilities

Healers undergo the most heart attacks per minute during pulls but usually get a pass on mechanics and only requires minor dps to clear.

DPS is by far the most complex role but gets the longest queues and least credit. Also is responsible to keeping numbers as high as possible for fear of getting dropped.

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>tfw you're a DPS main
>no need to worry about bitch heal drama or tank ego issues
>get in, do your job and leave
feels good man

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Who /support/ here?

>>388666269
Practice makes perfect anon-kun. Works on some P NP problems then come back to DPSing.

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>>388666516
>DPS is by far the most complex role

I can't believe the "it's hard to not stand in the fire" meme is still alive.

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Having played all three types in a host of games, most recently ffxiv, i would rate them as such, from most to least difficult:
Top tier dps
Top tier healer
Top tier tank
Shit tier tank
Shit tier healer
Shit tier tank
This is objectively correct as i am better at video games than you.

>>388660117
In Guild Wars 2 you do all 3 at the same time.

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>>388666516


Healers have to do the exact same movement mechanics as DPS while having to perform and manage infinitely more complex and stressful mechanics.
And guess who gets the blame when things go tits up?

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>>388666560
>tfw no pure support role

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>DPS is the only role that has to optimize rotations

Where did this meme come from?

>>388665837
All the wow healers are spammy, mainly because thats wow in general.

>>388664410
Do DPSfaggots think healers don't have to pay attention to boss mechanics too?

DPS literally only has to focus on 1 thing, the boss.

Healer has to focus on the boss, the tank, and every retard DPS that steps in the fire.

No one blames DPS when they aren't doing their job, and there are so many of them they can get away with it

Tanks and healers carry the burden and get all the blame for failure.

>>388666560
Reporting.
Even if the last support role I played was Mastermind in XCX.

Gotta love Secondary Speed with arts allowing immediate reuse if in secondary cooldown.

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>>388666870
This.

>>388666845
Druid healing with managing HoTs was kinda fun (except in vanilla where it was spamming downranked HT).

>>388660117
>a well known equation popularised by the mass media
>a basic sine graph that kids learn at high school
>taking square roots
>a simple summation
>a right angle
>basic use of imaginary numbers

Am I supposed to be impressed? Honestly it's harder to press 1 repeated without getting bored.

>>388663468
>Implying that's not the tank
The healer and DPS jobs are merely numeric. They make numbers go down on bosses and up on friends, while the tank has to physically protect everyone and keep the big threat's attention to himself while sporting the coolest gear.

>>388666782
>>388666994
MMOs aren't social anymore so support roles don't exist

>>388666870
The DPS also have to kill the adds depending on how the fight's structured, but yeah, they're basically just watching cooldowns and chaining what they can for optimal damage while everyone else is busy dealing with the real shit.

Damage isn't everything in an MMO, and god help you if you're a DPS with party utility who's just focusing on damage that's inherently lower than the true DPS classes, rather than helping the fucking party.

>>388666870
Congratulations, you got yourself caught. What's the next step in your master plan?

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>>388666678
>Shit tier tank twice

>>388666560
>love support roles
>hate healing roles
Few games have that auxiliary class that can buff a team and generally pushes a team to be more effective, without simply just being a healer.

>>388660117

It depends on the MMO honestly, for example in FFXIV I find tanking to be the easiest job with healing and dps being more demanding depending on the fight. When I raided in Rift tanking was a lot more demanding than ffxiv and dps when I occasionally switched to dps it was relatively easy with me just paying attention to the mechanics and pressing a bunch of macros.

>>388667084
It's not any easier than differential equations.

Real math doesn't start until Analysis, and even that's a stretch.

>>388664375
AOE is how that happens, especially in Ala Mhigo. You're not good, they just gave you braindead strong AOE.

>>388667084
average /v/edditor hasn't passed high school so those still sound smart and complex to them

The real question is, how do you break the holy trinity?

>>388667089
Tanks are fun if you enjoy being a leader and read 3 tmes more guides than anyone else playing the game. Honestly, you have to know the exact boss mechanics, need to know the shortest way through the dungeon, which mobs to skip etc.

I would enjoy playing tank if it wasn't this much work.

>>388665557
That's kind of hot. Anyone want to turn me into a smear?

>>388660117
i like games that let me be a monk but monks change a lot from game to game
should a monk be a DPS or a Support character?

>>388667074
It was kinda shit until WotLK tho and thats about when the game became shit so basically druid was super fun, one of the most fun classes imo, during Naxx/Ulduar and thats it.

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>tfw tanking will never be a true challenge ever again because if tanking is even remotely difficult the brainlets will run away from it and the queue times for every MMO will somehow skyrocket even higher and all the dpsbabs will flood the developer's HQ with their tears
Tanks being thoughtless is all their fault. I hate them. I HATE THEM!

>>388667385
Create a skill-based MMO where survivability relies on the player's skill and some other faggot.

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>>388660117

Playing a tank is about maintaining all aspects of the experience. You have to hand hold DPS and understand mitigation to help your healer have to do the least possible amount of work.

Having played a tank through BC and WoTLK I can tell you it's a job nobody wants to do because the pressure of succeeding lies entirely on your shoulders.

>>388667394
I've relatively enjoyed my time as a Tank in XIV so far, besides one dungeon with a little fucking potato telling me to always, always shield toss, and a story boss fight that basically had one part keep wiping us and the other tank tried to kick me because he refused to explain what I was doing wrong. I finally got it down with no problem on the third try when I figurd out what the fuck I was supposed to do..

Somehow everyone accidentally nearly kicked a healer instead.

>>388665557
I'm also rather well versed in math, but I don't need to belittle people in order to validate that

>>388667485
What did WotLK add?
I found druid healing in BC a lot of fun, not only PvE but also PvE, since you weren't just a healbot, standing behind lines until a rogue killed you, but did a lot of capping, were mobile as fuck and did a fair amount of CC.

>>388663468
>play healer
>it feeds your underlying god complex
You're the worst kind of healer.
You don't "choose" who lives and dies, you do your fucking job or you find yourself out of a job. Nobody wants to play with cunts like you.

>Play all three roles
>Across multiple MMOs over the years
>No matter what it boils down to "Don't be a fucking moron"

If MP/Mana/whatever is an issue I'd put Healers slightly above the other two as the hardest role because on top of doing your job and handling mechanics you have to worry if your resources can last to the very end of the fight. This is compounded if you're expect to contribute to DPS because you have to factor resources being wasted from your primary role in the fight.

But beyond that all three roles are pretty equal in MMOs nowadays.

>>388667620

Well, tanking in FFXIV is kind of dumbed down from most games, just my opinion as someone who's played tanks in a bunch of MMOs now. Dungeons are mostly all linear and the mobs all in specified sections so you never have to worry about using special pulling strats, most positioning simply involves turning the boss away from the group, sometimes as tank you don't have to do a lot of mechanics, rotations are fairly simple, and cooldown management isn't too difficult to figure out. It's still enjoyable don't get me wrong, but compared to most MMOs I played it doesn't really require a lot to excel with.

>>388667620
Well, FFXIV has really linear dungeons, so that doesn't really apply there. But a lot of WoW dungeons (especially the larger ones in the older expansions) had a lot of skippable content and mob groups if you knew where to sqeeze through, what shortcuts there were, how to avoid aggro range, abuse pathfinding etc.

>>388667965
Well that's good, because i'm not versed in MMOs beyond a brief stint with Champions Online of all things. I won't shut down something that isn't trying to be super-complex about the roles, and I started as a Pugilist too but found it too boring to continue on before I started working up Gladiator to the Paladin I am now.

>>388667610
DPS are whiny little shit, tanks hold the pressure of succeeding, and healers get the blame when things go wrong.

There, I summed the trinity up

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>>388667856
>dps cuck sucks ass, stands in damage areas, pulls etc.
>eventually refuse to heal him
>group kicks him and instantly finds a better one, because DPS are abundant while healers are not
I'm sorry you're worthless anon.

>>388660117
If DPS are so good then you can count us heal and tank guys out of the raid, don't come crying back to us when your ass is beat

>>388667965

Oh yeah and it's also really, really easy to maintain aggro

>>388668112

MNK is fun in the later levels, it's the only dps character I have at max level besides tanks. PLD became more enjoyable with Stormblood, before that I found it terribly boring in comparison to WAR and DRK, though WAR is still the tank I enjoy the most.

>>388667463
Monks should always be a middle ground between the two. Not the highest DPS output and not the best support character, but their combined skill tree should make them invaluable to any raid.

>>388667826
WoTLK made druids the 1# raid healers, I dont quite remember what changed but it was probably just nerfing shamans which were retarded in TBC and outhealed everything ever by spamming chain heal endlessly.

>>388667856
Except you do. Of course you are a shitty healer if you let party members die because you don't like them, but that wasn't my point.

It's as good as saying DPS control damage and Tank control aggro.

>>388668272
Also this, we just change DPS but no one wants to change healer unless they completely fucking suck or are actual healsluts.

>>388660117
I don't like shoehorning myself into a single role very much, I'd rather dps with ability to heal others etc. Robust builds that offer variety is what should be offered in MMOs.

>>388660117
>not understanding the holy trinity

No, Tank is. Fact is the tank is the one who is holding things together.

DPS And healer are just ability spamming. Tanks need to consider positioning.

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>>388667194
Yep, as it's supposed to be.

>>388668503
I think druds were top tier in BC too, or at least #1 MT healers + decent (implying anything with 3 liefbloom stacks can die), mana efficient cross healers.

>>388668503
Druid healing in WoTLK was OP because of their passive buffs in tree form. I can't remember what exactly they did, but they stacked to an ungodly amount, which meant a mid/high gear drood would always outheal a fully geared shaman/pally and sometimes a priest if they didn't know what they were doing.

>>388668673
As a Tank, I won't discredit Healers that easily. They also have to handle buffs depending on the class, and in smarter MMOs they'll have to not only gauge their resources but also their timing; can't exactly cure someone if attacks are forcing them to keep moving. Us Tanks keep the attention and party together, the Healers have to basically work over multitasking to keep everyone afloat without abandoning the Tank, and the DPS are essentially what gets the enemy killed faster for everyone involved with potential utility on the side.

>>388666057
>>healer only DPSs on very rare occasions
Stop playing shit games

>>388668673
Tanks have to maintain aggro.
DPSes have to keep their aggro low, dodge AoEs and deal the highest damage.
Healers have to keep their aggro low, dodge AoEs and heal everybody. Also buffs if they have them.

Seems pretty obvious to me that Tank is the easiest, while DPS and Healer are more complex.

>>388660117
>mfw maining a prot/holy pala in Legion + DEMONOLOGY warlock.

living the dream.

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What would a class in an MMO that is in the "center" of the Trinity look like generally? Are there any examples of this?

>BC/WoTLK revolves a shitload of raid encounters on Priests despelling debuffs from the raid
>Despell costs a disgusting amount of mana to cast, forcing holy/dis priests to revolve their entire setup to being able to revolve around being able to sustain spamming it at the cost of the strength of heals
>People still got mad that that it wasn't being done properly

Very few times have I been as mad as that.

>>388669326
Wow I fucked up that post.

>>388668912
I think they made hots scale with haste or something.

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>>388669040
Yeah. Triage. My nigger Triage. He's the best medic you'll ever play. If you add points to his pistols, and use his shield breaker primary, you can literally bring down tanks and AoE DPS characters. He was the greatest character I've ever played, and truly the best offensive medic.

>>388669478
Probably something like that. It was fucking ridiculous. If it wasn't for the situational roles that required Shammies/Pallies/Priests to be needed in raids it would be entirely druids for almost every WoTLK raid.

>>388668272
But I don't play DPS. What's your next accusation gonna be?

>>388669040
Some 3rd classes from Ragnarok can do everything but that is just Renewal being broken

>>388669739
For an expansion that was meant to homogenize classes they royally fucked healing roles, and tanking to a lesser extent. I dont remember if there was a class doubling everyone else in DPS.

>>388668313
sure fag, i'll just pick up a tank class and play better than you, done it before

>>388669040
Blood DK desu

>>388670035
I healed for the entirety of WoTLK but I remember DK's absolutely destroying DPS composition of raids. If you weren't a ret pally or a DK during LK you were royally fucked as a DPS getting into raids.

Healing though, you had to be really exceptional to get a spot over even a mediocre druid healer in most guilds. The only reason I got my foot in the door during WoTLK was because my guild needed a priest for mind control against that one boss in Nax.

>>388660117
>>388663468
>>388668673
>>388668963
tanking is difficult, but once you've mastered your spec and the concepts there's not much room to do more past that point. part of the difficulty is in not fucking up, since your fuckups often can't be recovered from like other classes'. it's also harder to judge a good tank from a bad one on the fly since there's no easy metric other than checking if you were hit by mechanics you shouldn't have been hit by or if you're dying too fast for your gear level.
healing isn't terribly difficult and it's what i switched to after tanking for years but a lot of healers suck very badly. i guess a lot of idiots are drawn to the role. the main difficulty factors are going to be planning cooldowns and anticipating damage; you need to understand exactly when the damage spikes are going out and ideally plan when to use your cds with the rest of your healing team. you also need to really know what's going on in the fight so you know when damage is going to go out before it actually does.
the complexity for dps comes almost entirely from managing your rotation in the context of having to handle mechanics. you don't really need to know what the healers or tanks are doing nearly as much as the healers and tanks need to know what you're doing, you just need to know the basic mechanics as they pertain to your spec. you can pretty much plan your cd usage and have it be almost identical every fight unless your raid lead wants to change the timing of a burn. once you've mastered your rotation and have all your cds planned appropriately, there's not really much else for you to learn.
of these, i'd say dps tends to be the least difficult to master because healing and tanking are a lot more tied in to what's going on in the fight. that's not to say dps is easy (although some dps specs in some games inevitably are), but your rotation usually doesn't change very frequently and that's where most of the complexity comes from.

>>388670384
I was a resto shaman and my sole reason for being in raids was dropping mana tide next to the druids.

>>388670762
? I thought raids recruited the mana totems because they came with shamans so no one would have to carry them.

>>388670705
tl;dr the difficulty and complexity for healers and tanks tends to come more from the fights and from your teammates and the difficulty and complexity for dps is more about mastering your spec in the context of having to do mechanics intermittently

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>>388668673
>DPS And healer are just ability spamming. Tanks need to consider positioning.
>DPS and Healer don't have to consider positioning, tank doesn't spam abilities

Brainlet tankbabby detected. Have you ever played an MMO focused on the holy trinity before?

>/v/ is full of faggots
>suddenly everyone on /v/ is a healer that enjoys healing despite how "complex" it is

Yall niggas just gay, literally prove me wrong.

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>>388670762
Wasn't chain heal still OP during WoTLK?
Regardless, thanks for them totems. I always prioritized shammies over everything else (bar the tank) because of those things. I even used Wings on a few of you fuckers because your totem was the only thing stopping me from going OOM.

I always made sure to take care of a shammy who was on point. Pic related when some faggot hunter/rogue/disposable dps asked me why they died and it was because a shammy was doing an infinitely more important job than them.

>>388671230
i tanked for years before switching to healer about a year ago
the main things i like about healing are that i can carry pugs a lot easier than i could as a tank and it's a lot easier to judge whether i'm doing a good job since there are actual performance metrics i can look at

>>388670886
You laugh but I was running out of mana a third of the way into every fight. Blizzard should had literally just replaced the shaman class with a mobile set of totems.

>>388671483
This is why spirit stacking was the best meta for ever healer.

>>388670384
Fury warriors were really good, Assasination rogues too, problem is you needed to know how to play to do Assasination right

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>>388671738
You're right about warriors, but..

>Rogues
>Knowing how to play any of their specs

I'm gonna need you to pick one.

This got me thinking.
Which is the best MMO for PVP or PVE? A MMO that is hard but not overly complex like what happens in WoW, that you get overwhelmed with 30 skills at minimum on your keyboard that you HAVE to use
I tried B&S and SWTOR but those ended up on a "meh"

>>388672195
If WoW is giving you too many buttons I don't really know what else to say

>>388672195
You've missed the good eras by like 15 years lad.

>tank agro
>dps hid like a bitch and hit from afar 10/10 would die on their own
>healer team player

And all classes has their complex part.
-Tanks needs always to be on guard if anything out of plan happens, and know everything they need to expicifically do in any raid (as for example, drag the boss on X place which is easier to deal against and move it to Y when he does this ability etc.)
-DPS has to focus in their skills and to evade everything that could be a risk meanwhile, like AOE from the boss, and also look If the boss spawns minions kill them (which most people DONT do because they're sometimes too braindead to think something that is not their sequence
-Healers have to know always the situation on everyone and the enemy, also always having on mind what buff you should throw when something happens

This is my point of view of the three class branches, don't know if what im saying makes sense

>>388672517
I don't know how it is now, but on WOTLK was a lot when playing rouge and priest lol

>>388667610
I was a MT in vanilla, didn't really feel pressure cause i did my job properly and never lost aggro.The most pressure for me was cause i was a class leader and had to properly arrange tank rotations and such

>>388663806
Because everyone plays it and a lot of people are bad at gaymes.

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>>388672809
Well yeah, in any game all 3 roles are likely to be difficult because they're optimizing around the same things - knowing every step of the bosses rotation and working your toolkit of the exact same count of buttons around it
People just wanna fling shit and cry about how hard their job is

>>388672961
oh lord you haven't seen the pruning

>>388672610
FeelsBadMan
Though really there isn't not even one game that is worth it? What.


I should get used to mention all people in just one replay.fugg

>>388660117
Tanking itself isn't hard, it's leading the group that's painful.

>>388673138
Pruning? What the fuck you mean?
Not ringing any bells on me rn

>>388660117
Overwatch is different
>Tank
Stand on objectives and take damage
>Healer
Either you're a faggot one trick mercy main, enjoy playing healers, or forced to because no one else will
>DPS
The fun heroes.

>>388663583
Yes

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>actually having friends
>actually joining guilds

never again

>>388673327
classes have no fucking buttons
pulled this off google images

man why the fuck arent there and support classes these days
in my 1st mmo l2 there were like 5 classes just for buffs
damn

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>>388660117
>Playing Logistics in EVE
>mfw its like pic related.

>Be inna pitch battle
>dude broadcasts
>finish locking him.
>he instantly detonates in a fireball.
>have all three reps running.
>trying to juggle reps between 5 targets. 3 of which have dipped into armor and 1 has hit structure.
>about to run out of cap
>gotta turn one off or they all will shut off.
>dudes are getting pounded.
>FC orders everyone to cycle propmods
>RIP capacitor

>be in cap transfer logistic ships
>have a dank cap chain running.
>Have all reps running plus your propmod including your cap transfer mods
>Its okay because you are cap stable.
>a fucking noob in a griffin shows up.
>jams the guy next to you who was also part of the cap chain
>the cap stops flowing
>you lose capacitor faster than you can shut off your modules.
>THE CAPACITOR IS EMPTY
>your fleet quiclky begins exploding since nobody is running any reps.

>Your kill board is red because all good logi pilots swap out their whore drone for a logi drone that heals armor instead of shield or visa versa and so you don't waist a targeting slot on an enemy.
>But you died in a Logi ship so nobody bats an eye.
>You were just doing your job.

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>>388673657
I should post the image

>>388673765
Lol
Well that's fucking unexpected

>>388663468
>boss mechanic has an add to fixate to a party member, must be killed before it reaches said party member
>fixates to the healer
>don't kill it and let the bitch boy die
>burn the boss down while keeping your distance to the add with you ultimate toolkit
>high-five with your dps-bros for yet another successful boss kill while the tank pity-resses the healer
Sometimes you just have to put down those sluts to remind them of their position.

>>388671859
>Combat rogue complains his class sucks
>level rogue
>outdps him on Trial of the crusader with near 1k less Gearscore than him

never seen someone so mad since then

>>388663806
Because most players are DPS players, and most players are awful at videogames, as such most of the people being awful at videogames and playing DPS means that most of the DPS are also by extension awful.
DPS is still the most skill-requiring one to play at peak performance most of the time.
Tank and Heal have to manage a lot less to keep up peak performance.

>>388673330
and then you got paladins
where the supports actually takes some brain and skill to perform well and are expected to be DPS & healer at the same time. Ana is the only skillfull support in overwatch, with Zenyatta as close second because the expectations on them the further you climb grow and their versatility is very impressive. Mercy is garbage that takes no skill, no brain, no IQ, nothing to play and you're still going to perform, but shitters on plebbit and tumblr likes to pretend she takes skill "oh you have to time your ult well and cooldown well and be well positioned" like timing and positioning is the main skill you have to master for every single hero, and Mercy has her ez guardian angel every 2 sec to zipline between allie at no cost fixing her bad positioning magically. and lucio is a meme character only useful for his speed, otherwise he just suck even at stalling.

>>388666908

What? If the failure is enrage timer, DPS gets blamed. If the failure is due to poor healing, healer gets blamed. If tank turns boss into party, tank gets blamed. If mechanic gets messed up, the person who messed it up gets blamed. Sadly, 9/10 times, whoever actually messed up gets pissy and blames everyone else instead.

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>>388673969
It's sad as fuck
I played Feral in WotLK and that rotation was the most fun I've ever had in an MMO, I miss it dearly

play healer in tbc
mt hc woltk
cata say fuck it dps
afk during fights lul
if youve never been one of the important roles your opinions are invalid

>>388667385
Not gonna happen as long as MMOs at least pretend to be RPGs
Either it becomes a straight action game where the only option is to shit out as much damage as possible, or people are gonna specialize into certain roles because that just werks
At best you can separate "Healer" into pure healing and support (buffs/debuffs)

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>>388674872
>bc and wotlk were interesting
>afk during cata
wow it's almost like cata wasn't good regardless of your role

>>388663468
>choose who lives and who dies

no you fucking don't, if you don't heal you don't progress either you piece of shit.

>>388675029
no it means that when i mt im 100% there
if i dps i can die for not paying attention, 5 other dps's can die for random reasons and the job can still be done

>"lol healers just press heal over and over"
>switched between several healing spells and even up to 8 ranks in one healing spell depending on who I was healing so I didn't waste mana overhealing
>dps panics and screams HEAL as soon as he took 10 damage

>>388675029
Cataclysm was the best WoW expansion ever made, wtf are you on man? Are you just being contrarian for the sake of being contrarian?

>>388667385
remove healing, remove threat as it exists now, add in collision, add more abilities related to movement(and that doesn't mean anime rolling and teleporting)

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>>388675446
>up to 8 ranks in one healing spell
I miss this

>>388660186
Healing is only fun with competent teammates.

Youre probably one of the morons that made my job hard

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>>388674080
This, support in Paladins is so damn fun.

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>>388675748
Healing is also fun in Overwatch. Mercy is like a Bullet hell game.

>>388671357
>since there are actual performance metrics i can look at
Feels good to know that you performed well when you could see that not a single of your heals took a character up to 100%, so you didn't waste any mana at all on overhealing.

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The funniest shit that ever happened on the WoW official forums was on the rogue class forums in WotLK

>be me
>reading some thread where a guy is bitching about the arthas fight while claiming he's good
>"it's the fight that's broken fucking blizz" blah blah
>some orc rogue goes "post dps."
>i forget the number, but needless to say, laughingrogues.jpg
>the orc posts the next day
>"I out dps'd you in vendor whites." with a screenshot
>vendor fucking whites

man that was a blowup. good times

>>388675809
no

>>388675758
don't care what you say, she is hot as fuck in this

>>388675809
its like a bullet hell game with a get out of danger free button up every 2 seconds and constant massive health regent the nano second after you stop taking damage

so a shit one

>>388675932
Yes.

>>388676127
Yep. It's still a "DODGE EVERYTHING!" gameplay with her. The moment you get stuck in a group without somebody to fly to, you die.

New Mercy is even better, with Rez as a normal ability on a 24 sec cooldown and her new ult is literally just "Fly and become god"

>>388667610
I don't mind tanking itself, I just don't like being the one running out in front if it's not a dungeon I've done a gorillion times on another character.

>>388673089
The difficulty of tanking in vanilla was mostly down to how good / well-geared your DPS are and how well-behaved they are
Rowdy well-geared DPS can make a tank's job the most challenging in the game, but well-behaved shitters can make it a snoozefest.

MTing in general is also easier than OTing when vanilla didn't have too many boss mechanics only the MT had to worry about, since OTs were the ones that had to deal with and properly react to everything unexpected.

>>388667610
>understand mitigation to help your healer have to do the least possible amount of work.

>be healer
>join party
>tank is an emoticon spamming dual wielding berserker
>oh boy, rip mana

>>388675913
Based orc backstabber.

They should just make tanks and healers have more interesting mechanics.

>>388664410
Paladin in FFXI was so much more than just using Provoke. This image is shit. I was a top tier damage dealer, it's the easiest thing to be good at. Being good at healing and tanking is so much harder.

>>388665098
This, nothing is more fun than when a DPS get's uppity and rushes ahead to pull mobs only to be promptly smashed. Tanks are the true alphas as they decide where and what happens

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>Only real healing class in the game
>Beefy as fuck HP
>Huge armor for more damage resistance
>Tons of buffs
>Just sit there keeping everyone alive and BTFO'ing enemies that step out of line

That being said, Crusader is the 2nd worst Priest class. Both Avenger and Monk take far more skill and are far more fun. In this instance, DPS > Healer > Tank

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>>388676230
> Mercymain trying to justify his character is not braindead
i feel bad for you aimlets.. being stuck in a group without somebody to fly to is a positioning mistake, there is no dodge everything. you don't dodge shit, you just dash to someone else automatically. don't act like it takes any inch of brainpower, of thinking or anything.

Ok DPS geniuses here's a test scenario

You're playing DPS and have an ability that will give you 1500% damage if it succeeds and 1% damage if it fails, it succeeds 1/1000 times you use it.

The healer gives you a buff that can tell if your next usage of an ability will succeed or not but the buff isn't always correct.
If the ability will succeed then there's a 99% chance of the buff saying it will succeed.
If the ability will fail there is a 99% chance the buff will say it will fail.

You get the buff and it says that the ability is going to succeed next time you use it.
What is the chance that the next time you use the ability it succeeds?

>>388668503
>I dont quite remember what changed
With a lot of heals being made raid-wide, Shamans lost out on the raid healing title to Druids and Holy Priests. Especially with Druids getting Wild Growth

>>388665837
>>388666845
Monk was here all other healers are fgts!

>>388676835
>automatically
>have to input to do it
No.

And yeah, being a good Mercy take a lot of proactivity. Jumping off buildings, and doing call outs on enemies behind. I dont know how bad you are with Mercy, but yeah, Mercy is pretty good.

>>388676501
I also failed to mention that i did all this with a 56k modem and about ~500ms average

being a slav is suffering

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healers are for faggots
supports are for men
learn the difference, its very important.

>>388676916
What game is that in? I dont recall any WoW expansion that involves the "monks" you speak of.

>>388676845
Is this Bayes rule?

>>388677092
I assume you are a healer then.

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>>388676771
And just for comparison, this is a Monk. Far manlier and exciting for the testosterone-endowed.

>Have to manually juggle enemies
>No big and flashy skills to rely on
>Only your skill and dedication to the class can keep that enemy off the ground
>Have to memorize fuck-huge comboes, more complex than even Street Fighter
>Short melee range, so you've got to be extra careful not to accidentally punch a bomb

DPS is far more respectable, if not as useful.

>>388666845
you probably havent seen the new discipline spec for priest then

>>388677121
Yeah although you don't really need to remember the formula in this example

>>388675446
>>388675610
>Solohealing raids as a druid
>Keeping up LB stacks with only a few seconds between to cast heals
>Any mismanagement of time would cost a ton of mana
>Only have one CD to help me if I fuck up, so only 1 fuckup allowed pr. encounter

Solohealing Karazhan was fun as fuck

>>388667084
I don't know if you are being serious or not

>>388667385

Get rid of in combat healing, everything else will follow.

>>388675446
>dps panics and screams HEAL as soon as he took 10 damage
I liked priest because you could put renew on them and be like sent ;)

>>388664410
Why are there so many aerospace equations? Makes sense to use statistic buzzword equations for mmo shit

>>388677443
Nothing against you but I'll never understand how willingly giving yourself that much responsibility is fun. I solo healed Malygos as a priest for the 10man 6 minute achievement and that was enough 10 man solo healing for my wow career.

>>388675738

Honestly the only times I had fun healing is when shit hits the fan, if everyone is doing their job you have nothing to do it's braindead easy to keep everyone alive. Trying to keep everyone alive when your group accidentally pull a second group and a mob is on the loose wailing on everyone is when things are at it's most intense and funnest.

>>388660117
rename healer to "supporter" and you got
yourself an interesting role.

>>388677104
They got added in pandaland(pandaria) and could heal while dps'ing for 2 xpacs as there main selling point but got removed in legion to try to move away from smart healing. you can still pick up a talent or 2 for it like ever time you use your 10 second cooldown dps move you get to use your heal enhancer again but the main fistweaving stuff got put into the pvp tree.

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>>388660117
WRONG!

This whole thread is wrong. Healer, Tank, and DPS are all fucking shit.

The real geniuses amongst players are the ones who play support classes, like the Shamans, Bards, Enchanters, Mystics, Necromancers, or Druids. They don't fit in any of the triad templates, have to make it up as they go along according to their abilities, and entirely base their actions on adapting to situations instead of just FOCUS ON DAMAGE, FOCUS ON ABSORBTION, FOCUS ON HEALS.

>Have to crowd control and focus when an enemy goes off on mezz/sleep. When shit hits the fan, its usually the support class who has to worry about keeping the situation under control before the tank shits himself and tries to make a run to dungeon entrance like chickenshit.
>Have to keep track on the buffs, while focusing on whether the boss/enemies are debuffed. Have to worry about what weaknesses will affect the boss/enemies the most, and what are their strengths so they they can siphon that buff away from them so the players can take advantage of it and survive.
>Are usually the class who have the best abilities in the game like: teleportation spells that can recall a party to them, guide dead players to their bodies, can summon pets, and put fear effects into enemies.

>>388677939
I solo healed karazhan and the 3dragon achivement and it was a fucking rush dude.
not just having to do everything perfectly but the feeling afterwards, you felt like a fucking god.
Too bad every healer in wow is now a wet
non-describt blanket who never run out of mana

>>388678302
Different strokes for different folks, I guess. After soloing Malygos and doing unnecessarily difficult things like disc priest Penetrating Cold duty on 25H Anub I was just like "wow that sucked, fuck that shit" instead of feeling like a god.

Also,
>solo healing 3 drake
How? Just the burn method? When I did that I think we had 3 healers, but we did it the intended way early on before the burn method came around so I don't know how that worked.

>>388678176
shut up and heal me bitch

No, each part of the trinity has to play properly to succeed. I havent played since BC but if ya fugged up you werent raiding with me.

>>388678854
Yeah, the people I went with were some of the first to do the burn method and they thought a druid would do well with it and I had some friends in high places apparently, as my guild was a mid-tier guild at best they didn't even consider 3d at the time Thanks wreego for letting me steal loot

I miss that wow, there were a community feeling back then, if you were good people noticed and vice-versa

>>388666252
My dude playing support pally. Right on.

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>>388677272
>more complex than even street fighter
>even street fighter
>street fighter combos
>complex

agree regarding monk but that was a big laugh

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>>388660117
Tank here. Babysitting you squishy fuckers is an absolute chore, especially when 'generic dps shitter #1734' who was lucky enough to get in a queue with me after your 30 min wait time runs off in front of me as if he's not going to die in 2 seconds and I have to devote my energy to getting aggro back.

>>388678176
>look at my poorly optimized average hybrid spec! i can do everything xD

neck yourself retard

DSP is the only respectable youtuber

>>388677272
what game?

Friendly reminder that if you are a DPS and you need a healer on your party then you should uninstall the game cause you suck!

>>388679992
Friendly reminder to filter any and all tripfags

>>388666782
Support and disruption/debuff roles are my favorites for sure. Shame they're so uncommon.

>>388679891

Dungeon Fighter Online. Its pretty fun but it has a fatigue system

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>not being both tank and DPS

you are like little baby.

>>388660117
Truth

>>388680191
looks sick as fuck how Jewish are the devs?

>>388680453

Ehhhhh, its not AS bad as it was before when nexon had it. You can get to endgame stuff super easy without spending money, its only if you want to seriously raid that you need to think about dropping some cash.

>>388680656
Do you absolutelly need to drop cash?
i'm pretty fucking autistic, i'll farm shit for weeks

>>388680746

No, but it helps. Dont be afraid to make alts too, the game actively encourages it.

>>388679757
holy fuck, it has to be bots that do this right?

>alliance player vanilla wow
>finally get a group for scarlet monastery
>10 minutes in hunter sprints for nearest mob and uses pet to tank
>everybody stands back and laughs as his pet is instantly killed
>stop laughing as hunter books it and starts back towards us, aggroing several other mobs on the way
>wipe

what the fuck did you think was going to happen you fucking retard

Assuming every class in a game is equal in importance:

Offensive Support > Tank > Healer > Defensive Support > DPS

>>388681174
good look getting trough enrage timers with shit DPS, it goes like this
>Non retard Healer -> Non retard Tank = DPS - Healers -> all the other shitters

>>388681725
I'm pretty sure that was his personal preference on roles, not a tier list.

>don't want to be a heal slut but still want to be a support type
>the support type class is great at buffing, debuffing, DoT, and minor healing

>FUCK HEAL ME BITCH

god dammit

>>388664410
>fluid mechanics equations for DoT
what did dpstard mean by this?

If you people want healing so bad why don't you just carry healing potions???

Pop one that heals over time and use one that heals fully

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>>388673749

I enjoy playing supports/healers in dota because they have broken as fuck utility but reddit thinks that they can't be OP so they never get really nerfed

>>388682309
This. Io is fun as fuck and nobody ever seems to understand just how overwhelmingly strong you can make someone.

>>388660117
all of these jobs are mindless garbage.
the only way to make it even interesting at all is to make it so you can choose what to do each cooldown "turn".

>>388660117
Tanks has to mitigate damage and juggle aggro between themselves, also responsible for boss placement and movement, at the same time try to optimize their DPS, but it is a secondary priority. Healers have to coordinate their healing to avoid overhealing, manage their mana and know the encounter to properly expect and handle sudden bursts of damage, also gotta DPS as a secondary priority. DPS have to optimize damage output, kill adds, and avoid standing in shit that kills them like everyone else.


You could argue that a potentually higher performance sealing for DPS, but 90% of DPS is to braindead for that to ever be relevant, most of the time when someone does something retarded or fails to stand in the right place, it's fucking DPS.

>>388675074
If a dps is ignoring mechanics that can cause a raid wipe I let him die. He won't be missed

>>388664375
While I would normally be like oh shit damn son, this is a bit fucked.

First, you have a BLM who clearly had no idea what they were doing.

Second, the DRG would have been single targetting by the looks of it.

And third, that WAR must not have been DPSing at all.

So you whack some HOLYSPAMS in there and boom, charts show mad crazy numbers.

>>388665146
I don't see why he should heal someone who's being rude.

>>388684828
I don't see why I should tank for someone who isn't pulling his weight.
I don't see why I should kill things for someone who is just having temper tantrums on the backline.