SONIC MANIA SELLS LESS COPIES THAN LAWBREAKERS ON RELEASE

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>>388658184
It means everyone who owns a console played it two weeks earlier.

http://store.steampowered.com/search/?filter=topsellers
It just came out and xcom 2 dlc, pubg, rocket league and black desert online are above it. That's fucking pathetic.

>>388658184
No more Sanic games for the mustard rice

>>388658184
Nothing really. Sonic '06 and Boom couldn't kill the hedgehog despite those games selling terribly. With the whole Denuvo nonsense going on, it's only going to hurt SEGA's reputation in the PC side, but will remain pretty steady on consoles.

Wow, it's almost like PC gamers just pirate everything and Denuvo killed it before release anyway.

http://store.steampowered.com/stats/
>more people are playing age of empires 2 than sonic mania

>>388658184
Absolutely nothing.
If this series can survive 06 and boom, it's lasting until the end of time.

>>388658184
it came out not even 5 hours ago

also the PC version could have just been axed and the game would have already been a success

>>388658184
>pc "gamers" not pirating everything
really made me think.

>What does this mean for the Sonic franchise?
Not much?

>buy game
>finish in less than 2 hours
>refund

>keep game files, use Codex steam emulator crack on them, since denuvo license is still active for a couple more days, it works just fine, play the shit out of the game until license expires

>>388658625
>also the PC version could have just been axed and the game would have already been a success
No sales figures have been released yet so you're just talking out your ass.

>PC fags thinking they matter again

>>388658294
>the game that got more players than DOTA 2 is above a Sonic Game

woahg...

>>388658817
B-but, all the famous youtuunbears played it, so it must be popular.

>>388658625
>lso the PC version could have just been axed and the game would have already been a success
Source? As far as I know they haven't released any information about sales on console.

if sonic mania had sold well on consoles they would've said so already

>updated four hours ago
>Game came out four hours ago

HAHA TORTANIC PESSIMISTIC "I WANT VIDEO GAMES TO FLOP MENTALITY" RIGHT GUIZE??? AM I COOL YET?

>>388658184
So if a good Sonic game cannot even sell what makes people think this franchise isn't dead?

>>388659016
>>updated four hours ago
That's not how steamdb works you absolute fucking retard. That means the game itself was updated 4 hours ago.
https://steamdb.info/app/584400/subs/

>>388659030
autism, mostly

Game was already confirmed to have hit at least 500,000 sales on consoles by Taxman IIRC. Sega of Japan only expected 100,000 tops.

>>388658184
The reason why is because Sega delayed it on PC, therefore everyone bought it on consoles.

>>388658184
>Implying CODEX is not responsible for this

>>388659252
>Game was already confirmed to have hit at least 500,000 sales on consoles by Taxman IIRC.
No, you do not remember correctly. Taxman hasn't said anything about sales.

>>388659252
>lying on /v/
What do you get out of it?

>>388659252
>Game was already confirmed to have hit at least 500,000 sales on consoles by Taxman IIRC
Sonic Mania sold 1,6 million units already.

>>388658184
Shouldn't have slapped denuvo on it. Kys sega.

>>388658817
>>388658904
>>388658925
>>388659013

It took to the top of the Switch's best sellers list shortly after release and is still sitting there.

>>388659479
>Sonic Mania sold 1,6 million units already.
Source on your bullshit?

>>388659359
>>388659472
Pretty certain Taxman popped in to /vg/'s Sonic general and confirmed it, m8s.

>>388659634
Pretty sure you're full of shit.

SteamSpy and SteamDB are not reliable for the first week you fucking newfags

>>388659685
Sure they aren't...

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>>388658184
Got mine gifted

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>giving a shit about sales
>not weather its good or not
this board is only good for porn these days

>>388659560
so it's the top 10 out of 20 twitch games?

>>388659560
that means literally nothing

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>>388659634
You would have to be a fucking moron to think that shitposter was actually Taxman. It talked about a whole bunch of things he surely wouldn't be able to discuss, and the thread was visible enough for Sonic Retro people to notice it. It would be career suicide.

Also Whitehead has absolutely no apparent allegiance to this site. You got played.

>>388660000
It certainly does suggest the game is doing well. If you think it's bombing you're being purposefully ignorant.

>>388659634
>he fell for the taxman posts on 4chan meme
lol

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>buy sonic mania
>realize i'm still shit at 2D sonic
>lose 3 of my lives in chemical plant
>game over by studiopolis

when will I learn


also are you guys playing with controller or keyboard

>>388659678
I specifically remember it being said that the team was rushed to hell and that all they had for the trailer last year was Green Hill Acts 1 & 2 and Studiopolis Act 1. The rest of the zones were done in the time from then for 10 months of dev time.
Sega of Japan expected 100,000 sales tops but after release they already found themselves going over 500,000. They were told they weren't going to be making any Sonic games in that same style without doing the whole 'revist' shtick that kept them down to a few original zones.

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>>388660179
duly noted, but don't care - it's something to ponder

>>388658184
lol, everyone that cared already played this 2 weeks ago, nigga.

>>388660203
playing sonic with a keyboard feels like im playing a flash game desu

If you think about it, the only logical thing for Sega to do is to re-issue the game without DRM. Because, they either leave it the way it is, Sonic Mania gets cracked in a few days/weeks, and people pirate it out of spite.

Or they remove the DRM, are praised for listening to the community (and the actual devs) and leave open the chance for people to buy the actual game.

Why are Sega so retarded?

>>388660260
>everyone that cared
All 10 of them?

>>388658184
Thank christ it was a AAA release expected to seel in the multi-million figures

Fuck off, asshole.

>>388660257
you're like a conspiracy theorist. fuck off.

>>388660463
the fact that it's $20 makes it even worse

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>>388660836

pcfrats dont buy games more news at 11

>>388658395
Sonic 06 sold well.

>>388658184
The best part is that they can't blame piracy.
They fucked their game, in an attempt to fuck piracy, and now they can't hide behind piracy now that they're launch sales are crap.

>>388658184
>buying something with denuvo
nah

>>388658904
You know that's actually an important factor to success these days.

>Only PC sales matter

>>388659560
Same for the PS4 and Xbone. PC fags are just salty as usual

>>388658184
More people own Sonic 4 Episode 1 despite that game taking a year to get to PC.

Is that because that game didn't have DRM?

>>388659873
Sales mean sequels or new titles from the developer. And it hurts to look at scurge hive because that game deserves a sequel but it will never get one because it sold like shit

I never liked 2D Sonic

>>388661571
I thought PC gaymers were rich business and could afford to buy 10 copies each?
seems to me like there aren't very many fast gamers on PC

>>388661670
It sold well on consoles right?

>>388658184
>PC sales

Oh right.... so irrelevant. Why didn't you just say so OP

>all this consolefag butthurt
Who cares?

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>Lawbreakers is so bad that everyone uses it for comparison now
That's pretty hilarious.

>>388658184
>PC
>buying games

>>388662051
And PC fags wonder why companies never want to release games for their shit platform

doesnt matter, sonic mania made its profit on conso-

>>388661764
One of the top selling digital games on PSN XBLA and the Switch store. PC fags are the only ones not buying it because of their salt

>>388658184
That there's loads of PC Gamers but they all congregate around 1 game at a time and the rest sell like raw sewage no matter how good they are?

>>388662167
>companies never want to release games for their shit platform
Yeah, we're missing out on all of those great exclusives like Bloodborne and... fuck, I forgot the others. Could you name them please?

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>PCfats will make sure we never get another good Sonic game again
Worst community ever

>>388662265
There's a thread here everyday with you fags whining about why X company won't release a PC port of a console game

>>388662242
I am sure Forces will sell well since the Adventure and Modern era games sold well on PC.

Sonic Adventure 2 sold 8 times as well as Mania has so far on PC.

>>388658395
Sonic 06 sold enough copies to become a Platinum Family Hit on the Xbox 360, so I don't know where you're getting your information from, anon.

Dang the corporate execs did it again. Some guy in a suit whose never played a videogame in his life just fucked it all up for everybody. What else is new?

>>388662276
More like SEGA is making sure we will never get another good Sonic game again, they forced the DRM on. Both Taxman and Aaron want people to send requests to SEGA to get it removed.

https://support.sega.co.uk/hc/en-us/requests/new

You can go here to complain.

>>388662276
The Adventure ports and Generations sold great on PC.
I am sure if Forces does well SEGA will continue to port titles.

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>>388658184
>multiplayer shooter
>versus a niche classic 16-bit platformer
It's selling better than Sega expected. /v/ starting flamewars with shitpost threads anyway though.

I love it how my regular threads get me banned for "inciting flamewars" but these stay up til bump limit.

>>388662556
I think PC players just prefer 3D Sonic.

>>388658184
Nothing really. Between the PS4 sales and the Switch sales, they've likely more than recouped what they might have spent on this game.

>>388658184
Why do companies still use denuvo when it stops nothing now but is a horrible PR move?

>>388658184
It's the highest rated Sonic game in two decades and sold over 500k copies when they were anticipating 100k. I think it says there's going to be more Sonic Mania games in the future.

>>388661924
Who's butthurt?
The consolefags that played and enjoyed the game to its fullest 2 weeks ago or the pcfags that got fucked over by Denuvo and are so mad that they have to resort to shitposting and doomsaying to feel better about themselves instead of actually playing the game?

>>388658184
>PC elitists boycott Sonic Mania
>they never get another Sega game ever again
Their lost

>>388662516
fuck off cuck, no-one cares if niggers are banging your gf. A petition isn't going to do shit.

>>388662706
But it doesn't say that Classic Sonic is selling better than Modern Sonic when the Adventure ports seem to be selling as good as Mania.

>>388662743
SEGA will probably believe the PC market wants 3D Sonic.

>>388662556
>The Adventure ports and Generations sold great on PC.

Yeah like a couple hundred thousand even though there's been multiple times you could get almost all of the Sonic games on steam in a bundle for $5.

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>>388662556
>sold

>>388662743
Bayonetta sold wonderful on PC though. The delay and DRM made people mad, which is justifiable. Sega wouldn't be so dumb as to stop releasing on PC, just more likely to not fuck up a release so bad.

>>388662686
Because the top brass don't know shit about videogames. They see graphs and numbers at their meetings but don't know how to make sense of them at all.

>>388658184
>only man children who play on console play sonic games
who would've guessed

>>388662838
Maybe Mania will sell better then.

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https://youtu.be/D4WdHwukAt4
>t-thanks for beta testing consolecucks

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>>388662885
>sold

>>388658184
>Mustard Race has abysmal taste

Didn't need to make this thread to tell me that OP

>>388662838
and much of that audience consists of people pirate most of the games they play and haven't purchased a sonic game in years

>>388662949
You can do that with Denuvo too, it's not constantly checking for online.

>>388662802
Classic doesn't have to sell better than Modern, it just has to sell. There are three distinct play styles of Sonic games; classic 2D, adventure 3D and boost 3D. Sonic's fanbase is large and dedicated enough that whenever a game comes out it sells enough to at least break even, even if two thirds of the fanbase complain it's not their preferred playstyle.

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>>388658184
>had a sweet release date, with no competition
>Sega decides to spend a lot of money licensing denuvo
>pushes the release date to implement it
>lie to consumers saying it was to fix bugs
>releases at the same time of xcom 2's dlc
>releases right after cs go, rocket league and battlegrounds received a sales boost from ESL
>releases after the hype is completely gone, and only the people who paid attention to the pc release date cared
>game comes out with many pc-only bugs AND with online DRM
>ends up selling like shit
T O P K E K
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>>388661924
Console fags finished this game without issue or butthurt 2 weeks ago anon.

>>388662276
yeah man, fuck those pc gamers for not wanting to buy a game from a dev that announced that the game would be delayed exclusively for their plataform so the devs can add a way for the game not be playable without internet

>>388658283
including pc friends

>>388663491
>>lie to consumers saying it was to fix bugs
Except they didn't. They said it was to make it as polished as possible. It DID ship with some improvements and fixes.

>>388658184
Im just waiting for the price to fall to 15 or less.

>>388662265
Fucking hell anon, these grapes

>>388663637
>Except they didn't.

>first threads on steam forum were how the game kept crashing over small things like making it fullscreen

>>388658184
it means that if you delay the PC version for two weeks at the last minute and put forced online DLC into a single player experience it'll probably result in it being the least popular version of the game

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>Devuno

they are still finding work?

what the fuck?

>>388663836
Sonic Generations came out later on PC and was super popular there.

>>388661404
>muh denuvo

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>He still thinks Steamspy numbers are accurate before at least 3-4 days after release

You're a goddamn retard OP, even Steamspy themselves says it's fairly inaccurate when a game launches

>>388660203

I don't understand how people are bad at Sonic games. They're some of the easiest platformers out there. My first run of Mania I bumbled through and finished with 13 lives

Are you pressing down?

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>>388658184

Sales info takes AT LEAST a week to be reasonably accurate. The fact that Sonic is already right on Lawbreakers ass after mere hours of being out means that it will completely crush Cliff Bazingas game

Of course that doesnt let you shitpost though

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>>388663859
companies still use it because they find the bad reviews dont affect the fact that more people are actually buying the game because of it.

hmmm...I thought they weren't going to buy it in the first place though.

>>388660360
LET ME PIRATE THIS GAME WHY PUBLISHER HAS TO BE THIS RETARDED
Just kill yourself.

>>388664070
Yeah but will it beat Generations in sales numbers or the Adventure ports?

>>388663494
>Console fags finished this game without issue
lol

>>388662356
yeah, PS3 games.

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>>388664206

Those have been out for years and have been bundled a million times.

I'm sure the game is already profitable, but if it does get close to those two it can be considered a massive success

>>388664337
I can just say I am relieved that Sonic Mania isn't blowing the modern games out of the water. I really want to see SEGA continue to put effort into making modern Sonic great.

>>388662516
Kill yourself cuck

>>388662767
Fucking this. Literal cucks letting Tyrone fuck their wives
>le sine dis petishun XDD

>>388660000
it sold more on the Switch than it did on the PS4/Xbone.

>>388664218
Correct. Are you gay or something?

>>388664486
>>388664486

Sorry buddy, but it is looking like it will get to that level in a much shorter amount of time

>>388664486
>I am relieved that Sonic Mania isn't blowing the modern games out of the water.
Are you kidding? Mania is the highest rated Sonic game in over a decade. You really think Sega is just going to ignore that?

>>388664843
>>388664853
Those games still have much higher sales.

>>388664486
Mania isn't going to beat Generations' sales numbers, I am not even sure if it will beat Forces.

>buying a platforming game on a pc
>buying it on a pc when it was already out on the other systems

>>388663637
A lie of omission is till a lie

>>388664913

Completely irrelevant considering the age of those titles.

What matters is revenue, and a single sale of Mania right now is worth at least two or three Generations/Adventure copies due to discounts the two games had over the years

>>388664913
>Those games still have much higher sales.
>Mania is the highest rated Sonic game in over a decade. You really think Sega is just going to ignore that?

>>388658184
just got through a normal run.

pretty damn good. S3&K is better though.

>>388664983
>>buying a platforming game on a pc

Did you know that you can use controllers with a PC? Amazing new stuff I know, so it's alright if you haven't heard about it yet

>>388664982
Considering Mania was developed on a significantly smaller budget, it doesn't need to beat Forces to be considered a bigger success.

>>388665280
it wouldn't if some crackhead CEO didn't buy a license for the worst DRM around

>>388658184
>Game just came out for Steam this morning
>Game was already out on consoles for 2 weeks already, plenty enough time for people to have played through the game at least once and get the chaos emeralds
>Game has Denuvo
>PC version only has a max 3x window which is fucking horse cocks

Was originally going to get it on PC, but after the delay I got it on the Switch.

Still had the money in the account and was considering double dipping if the rumors of mod support were true (Plus higher resolutions), but this whole Denuvo thing soured me on picking it up again unless it is dirt cheap.

>>388660203
The only hard part up until Studiopolis is trying to bounce those blue missiles back at the cop eggrobo because the jumping in that section is very picky about your forward momentum

>>388658184
it's quite a niche game. i mean, if you don't like sonic, you wont get it.

>>388665392
Forces is already confirmed to have Denuvo, so I guess we'll see how it fares in a few months.

>>388662686
Because even if a game has shit PR it'll still sell an assload because actual normal people either don't give a fuck about the press or only ever see the game through marketing and advertisements.
It don't matter if IGN, Polygon, Kotaku, and what have you give a new Call of Duty shit scores for whatever reasons they have, because grade schoolers and college frats are still going to lap that shit up.

>>388665584
>bounce those blue missiles
Just roll into them. Ten times easier.

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>denuvo

>>388658184
>What does this mean for the Sonic franchise?

Considering they can still fall back on consoles, nothing nearly as bad as you're trying to imply.

Worst thing that can happen is that you don't get Mania 2 on PC

>>388658586
it only survived 06 because adventure did well.

sonic boom didnt even do bad and they're making money off of the show.

>>388665918
I did that at first but those red ones kept overlapping it by a few pixels. Way easier to jump on them.

>>388658294
There's absolutely nothing pathetic about that. None of those games are exactly weak.

I mean it's pathetic that so many people think PUBG is fun for more than 2 hours but that's another story.

>using Steamspy not only before 2 weeks have passed, but the DAY OF RELEASE

I fucking hate this bait

>>388658184
Now console exclusive. You'll never get Sonic Unleashed

>>388665240
But you can just buy it on other systems, that come with those controllers without fucking about. are you retarded?

>>388663950
That's because people didn't start buying Generations until after it came out. Nobody had any reason to believe it would be good, unlike the hype train that was Mania.

>>388658184
it means they shouldn't release it against a GTAV content update

That has nothing to do with DRM, pirates don't buy games.

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>>388667220
I don't want denuvo on my machine rgardless

>>388667220
I'm going to wait until Denuvo is cracked, removed, then I can buy it.

>>388667172
The gta update was announced a couple of days ago

>>388663983
>>388664070
this, fuck off, the rest of you

>>388658184
>60k on first day
>bad
waht

>>388658395
Many 3D Sonic games have sold better than the 2D ones. Maybe internet crybabies and Metacritic shouldn't be your only source of info?

>>388662265
Just check your change.org account, that should give you an idea.

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>PC games always, ALWAYS, undersell their console counterparts
>despite that, this means that PC should be a metric to determine if a game failed or succeeded
>not consoles, where the bulk of the sales are made

I don't give a fuck if you dumb frogposter me or not.

>>388669308
Dont worry. Only newfags and nu males from neogaf who care about sjw politics actually get mad at pepe. Easiest way to spot one is if they actually get mad at reaction pictures

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>>388669308
>>PC games always, ALWAYS, undersell their console counterparts

>>388665094
But it costs less than those did at launch.

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>>388669434
It's also telling when they go REE DUMB FROGPOSTER GET OUT when they confront a post that they see as "bait".

>>388669886
Name ONE game that sold better on PC. Chances are you're going to bring up some old game that has been long since discontinued for consoles and was sold with a steep discount, if not given out for free.

>>388658184

Sonic boosters are just going to claim (sans evidence) that it sold great on console.

Maybe, just maybe, the number of people willing to shell out $20 for a glorified ROM hack was small?

>>388669964

The vast majority of owners bought it on sale

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>>388670063
>Name ONE game
witcher 3
what do i win?

>>388670063
diablo 3 the sims 3

>>388670063
Terraria

>>388670317
Proof?

>>388665116
It doesn't mean they will ditch Modern Sonic.

>>388670421
its not that hard to sell a game better on pc when the console sales are abysmal to begin with tbqfhwy fampai >.>