TONIGHT'S THE NIGHT!

So is the pyro update the new half life 3?

>>388599484
You now realize Episode 3 came out before the Pyro Update

>>388599614
Exactly my point

Its still pretty funny that /mlp/ has a more populated server then /v/ did. Also why would you put a password on the server? Half of anons dont know how to use console correctly.

>>388602402
i would join an /mlp/ server just because they don't micspam and just play the game

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>tfw surf servers will never not be ded again
>tfw you will never micspam while spawncamping
>tfw you will never get to listen to underageb& screaming at you to stop again

why is this update taking so fucking long?

>>388603489
I go to a "combat surf" server that's fairly healthy. You just gotta look more carfully.

>>388605678
Multiple possibilities

A. It's taking so long because there's not a lot of people left on the team.
B. There's a lot of stuff in it (Jungle map, community maps, cosmetics)
C. They're doing balance changes on way more weapons than indicated by the preview
D. The CSGO lawsuit messed up Valve's internal work moral.

>>388606086
E. valve's a bunch of lying fucks and haven't started on it yet

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>>388599050

>>388599050
i hate niggers but like demoman

>>388603489
I literally did the last two just last night

>>388608474
YEEEEEEEEEEHAWWWWW

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When?

>>388610512
What the fuck? How is that top chart in any way, shape, or form, the way that it SHOULD be?

What the fuck is wrong with Heavy and Engie being weak on offense and strong on defense? They're defense heroes you dipshit, this is not a design flaw in the least. I would also argue "Strong half the time" is completely wrong for Sniper and Demo: Sniper way less than half, Demo way more than half, and there's no 1% in which Medic is not a strong pick, the Medic determines the entire pace of the game, not to mention that a well-played Pyro can be effective at combat as a Soldier, Scout, or Demo inb4 muh competitive 6v6, that metagame basically hasn't budged in 10 years

>>388610512
>medic
>bad choice half the time

what the fuck anon

>>388608474
none of that was particularly impressive
he just shot straight and things died

>>388610670
>Heroes

I have been playing too much Overwatch, and it's 5:30 AM, those are my two excuses

>>388610670
>calling the tf2 mercs heroes

wait a few moments, the firing squad is loading their rifles and will be over in about five minutes

>>388605678
they're actually fucking fixing pyro
making his flamethrower a lightning gun with hitscan
airblast now lets you perform airblast jumps
I hope

>>388610781
pls no bulli i've been waiting on maintenance and updates for TF2 and ffxiv so was playing OW to kill the time

Does /v/ like the cool Sentry mod?
https://youtu.be/msrNYPpuN24

>>388610835
time's running out

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>>388610875
Let them come. It doesn't change the fact that I'm right and that chart is completely retarded

>>388610746
>I'm a newshit and nobody can stop me

>>388610940
they're all running lmaobox

>>388611047
So they'll get banned in the time it takes to get here?

That's a relief

>>388610670
>What the fuck is wrong with Heavy and Engie being weak on offense and strong on defense?
Because it causes stalemates and locks them to a specific role where they don't get to be full-time viable. Also because Heavy's design is not interesting, and because their roles overlap too much.
There is no good reason for them to be dedicated defenders. It's just bad for the game.
>I would also argue "Strong half the time" is completely wrong for Sniper and Demo: Sniper way less than half
in HL Sniper dominates the entire game, in 6s the Sniper is full-time viable if you have an extremely good one (which is as things should be) and taking Medic's high usage rate into account, which skews practical viability, Sniper is being used the perfect amount. Same goes for Demo in the other direction, considered the weakest 6s class, yet a constant fixture in the lineup
>not to mention that a well-played Pyro can be effective at combat as a Soldier, Scout, or Demo
Utter rubbish, Pyro has inferior stats in every way, either average or bad in every category, and literally the only useful thing he brings to the table is airblast knockback, which is useful in only a brief period of time
>inb4 muh competitive 6v6, that metagame basically hasn't budged in 10 years
Because the game's fundamental balance basically hasn't budged in 10 years since Valve considered it acceptably balanced for pubs.

>I have been playing too much Overwatch
Feel free to leave at any time
>>388610721
what is "what the fuck" meant to mean here
It's not fun for players to be forced to play Medic or lose
That situation needs to change. The ideally balanced TF2 is one where everyone can play what they enjoy, without "mandatory" classes. That's the point of game balance

>>388611047
I remember when that was relevant

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>>388611139
>There's no reason for them to be dedicated defenders
Yes there is, idiot. Offense and defense are very different should play different and there's absolutely nothing wrong with having a defense-oriented hero like Engineer. Do you want this game to be like Quake 3 Arena or something? Don't get me wrong, I love an arena shooter as much as the next guy, but class diversity is the heart and soul of TF2 which I bet I've played more of than you have. How is having dedicated defenders "bad for the game"? What would you put in their stead? Most matches in TF2 are split between offense and defense, why in the hell would you NOT have defensive classes? Even in a game mode like CTF or KOTH, there's still a certain amount of defense-oriented play that has to be done
>Demo the weakest 6s class
Boy, either you're wrong or things have changed way more than I thought. We're talking about the black Scottish guy, right? The guy who has been limited to one in 6s since the very beginning because of his high power level?
>Pyro is bad because of these non-specific reasons
Pyro is still an outstanding ambusher (you know, the thing he was designed to do) and in skilled hands, I stand by what I said - just as capable of an offensive or defensive tool as the other classes. He also has great synergy with Engineer, but, I know Engineer's existence as well as a sickening concept like synergy between unique jobs must be very triggering to you


Fuck me I can't go smug enough for this

>>388611392
>Jobs

I've been playing too much FFXIV and it's 5:30 am, those are my additional excuses

>>388611392
what a retard

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>>388611392
>Yes there is, idiot. Offense and defense are very different should play different
How does that make the game more fun exactly? Classes don't need to be locked to defense-only to make offense and defense play differently
>and there's absolutely nothing wrong with having a defense-oriented hero like Engineer
I already told you what's wrong >>388611139, don't make me repeat myself. Dedicated defenders are very bad for the enjoyment of TF2
>but class diversity is the heart and soul of TF2
Classes WILL still be diverse. Heavy and Engineer's entire identity isn't just being defenders
>which I bet I've played more of than you have
Post hours
every hour you played of Overwatch counts against you btw
>What would you put in their stead?
Every class to be useful both on offense and defense
>why in the hell would you NOT have defensive classes?
Are you seriously illiterate?
>He also has great synergy with Engineer
"LOOK MOMMY I'M AN EBIN PYBRO!!! I'M HELPING!!!!"
You know who has more synergy with Engineer in the overall team composition than Pyro? Another fucking Engineer because he can actually REPAIR the Sentry AND have a Lv3 Sentry of his own. Or pretty much any class bar Spy.
Pyro is a statistically underpowered class who brings nothing practically useful to the table other than his airblast knockback, which is ONLY useful while defending and only for 8 seconds. You are a moron if you don't know this widely held knowledge yet argue against it.
>or things have changed way more than I thought
So you haven't played TF2 since TWENTY FUCKING FIFTEEN. Why are you posting about this game when you have zero fucking idea what you're talking about?

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Home...

At least it was before I fucked everything up.

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I wonder still, how long will this update be compared to the other class update, heavy? After the Meat your match, pyro won and gets an overhaul first while heavy gets second. It's been a over a year. These updates should not take OVER a year, try a tri-quad monthly update feed or let the community work with valve with a situation like this already.

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Before opening this spoiler, I want you to imagine a hypothetical game.

In that game, there is a class who guarantees a win for picking him.
The developers decide to buff that class.
Would you roll back that buff? Yes or no?

Okay, open the spoiler.

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>>388613395
>I wonder still, how long will this update be compared to the other class update, heavy?
Heavy's will most likely be much shorter.

From what we know so far, Pyro Update is going to be:
>new weapons
>potential pyro rework
>new achievements
>rebalancing weapons for all classes
>bugfixing
>new SFM movie
>new cosmetics
>new taunts
>new maps
>new contracts
>changes to competitive and casual (eg: ELO system for comp)

whereas Heavy's update is expected to be:
>new weapons
>potential Heavy rebalances
But I have been wrong before. Originally I thought Pyro Update was going to release before a year had elapsed, and we saw how that turned out.

>>388613515
Yes

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The pyro update will probably be the halloween update, so Valve can kill 2 birds with 1 stone.

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>>388611392
>Boy, either you're wrong or things have changed way more than I thought

>>>>/overwatch/

>>388606086
I think it's A, B and C
what's with this CSGO lawsuit? what happened there?

>>388614004
The pyro update will be the Anniversary/Halloween/Smissmas update all rolled into one.

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>>388614004
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCKKKKKKKKKK

DON'T BE RIGHT DON'T BE RIGHT DON'T BE RIGHT

>>388614069
Advocating minors to gamble. Valve won I think by shutting down major gambling sites that were in no way, shape or form legitimately giving users a way to obtain rare skins because the house always wins. ( The guys who own the site were advertising it and said they were sponsored, leading their fans to gamble their skins and take them. )

As far as I know, Valve didn't really win but won as in they can get away with it still.

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toast your favourite glass

For me it's Engineer– intelligent, nihilistic and with a wicked sense of humor

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we really still don't know when it's coming out ?

>>388614471
ah right, thanks anon
maybe at some point valve will get off their ass and stop being such a shit

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>>388614548
soon tm

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Hey /v/,
yore
ugleh

HOOOOOOWEEEEE

MAKIN

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>>388614506
My favourite class is Demo because:
>He's got a low skill floor and high skill ceiling allowing you to do all kinds of crazy shit
>He's got high counterplay; all his attacks can be dodged
>He's exciting to watch be played
>He's a pretty well balanced class, roughly as strong as Soldier, Scout, and Sniper
>He has a very diverse array of weapon unlocks, all of which are decently balanced
>He has a fun personality
>He's fun

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>>388614828
oh and
>he's useful both on offense and defense, so you can play him all the time if you want without being forced to switch

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>>388614771

>>388614926
Your wife is not real! She died a long time ago!

>>388615007
(NEVER LEAVE)

>>388615007
Ergh!

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>>388614828
>>He's a pretty well balanced class

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>>388615047
(Okay)

>>388615150
>>>He's a pretty well balanced class
Absolutely. Were you not around for the nerf?

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>>388614506
Scout. When I play him I become the ultimate dick.

>>388614828
AYO
>*plops sticky in front of him while walking backwards, requiring you to stop engaging him or chase him and be damaged*
SO YOU BE SAYIN
>*uses chargin targe for free defense and grenade launcher like a fucking pussy*
WE
>*Screeched when using stickies offensively was nerfed*
WUZ
>*Can reliably 2-shot most classes with the default alone*
SCOTS
>*Nerfed to fucking oblivion, still overpowered*
N SHIET
>*Demoknight so overwhelmingly manly due to how weak it is that valve had to buff him*

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>>388613659
For what i know everything you said came straight from the devs so it is probably correct.

I just hope they don't fuck up the weapon balance too much.

Also this thread made me realize we still need to wait for the heavy update.

Fuck.

>>388614506
I agree, building a giant fortress with 5 other engies and just being a pain in the ass for the other team is the most fun thing you can do in the game

>>388615498
Are you that guy who posts a lot on /aco/?

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>>388615494
>>*Can reliably 2-shot most classes with the default alone*
>>>>>>>>>>>reliably

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>get put into the mentally retarded team
>5 snipers/spys
>1 soldier
>and an engineer who who puts his teleporters in shit spots
how do i make TF2 friends to make a party with? games always have the team thats shit and the team that stomps

>>388615498
Well, everything that I said would be contained in the Pyro Update/heavy update actually did come from the mouths of the developers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmo2JUbpf_Y
but the rest is me speculating

>>388615608
>how do i make TF2 friends to make a party with?
add people you like the look of in your region
that's about it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0g3l1H7WrRo

>>388614506
Scoot
>You'll never hit me! You'll never hit my tiny head!

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>>388615542
i don't even post on aco much, i usually get my stuff from the /co/booru / /co/llection.

>>388615646
Let's just hope it is a good update.

I honestly just want quickplay back or a way to play games faster.

The best thing about TF2 was how easy finding a game was and i could come in and come out of the game as i please and still have shitloads of fun a day.

Now i can barely get decent matches.

>>388615743
that fucking medic in that video

>>388613659
they better fucking remove casual, not change it. bring quick play back

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>>388615959
>bonnie
MUH
DIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIICCCCCCKKKKK

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Okay fags, you made me reinstall. What are good servers? Preferably Australian and /v/ themed.

>>388616135
This
I used to fuck around and micspam on achievment_engineer for hours on end.
Is there anywhere I can do that again?

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>>388616004
Man, i fucking miss being able to search for a server or simply hope in any server quickly.

>>388616135
For somewhat decent matches look for Nemu's and Skial servers.

There is no shortage of maps for shits and giggles but most of them are 24/7 same map, trade maps or other meme maps.

>>388616135
HITLER'S JEWFORT has a lot of 4chan posters and is nocrit but it's 24/7 2fort

>>388616435
That sounds like fun.

>>388616135
Casual too good for you, ponce?

Pyro will be buffed to compete against Soldiers and Scouts and you can't do anything about it.

>>388616526
Alright

>>388602402
Define populated.

I mean. Every time I would look, their servers were dead.

>>388616469
It's alright, the community has a slight hint of "the worst of playing games with /v/", and there's some dumb drama, but it is on the whole pretty chill

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>>388616526
excellent

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>>388616526
Reflect this, smoky joe.

>>388616342
I miss not having to fucking requeue every 2 minutes
even when the goddamn next map voted is the same as the one you're one THE BLOODY THING STILL RELOADS INSTEAD OF RESTARTING THE GAME
it's an abomination

>>388614506
I like to play medic :). Its a very high skill cap class :)))

>>388613239
Play a different game then, you clearly don't understand team-based shooters.

>>388616526
Good.

>>388616792
Stop posting. Not even that anon

>>388616792
Not a fucking argument.

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>>388616772
this pretty much. it is fucking retarded.

i also wish they would separate casual per game mode and shuffle the teams after the match is done. Else everyone will keep exiting and searching for a new match.

>>388616526
as long he is also a decent counter for demoman, since he is a bigger threat than soldier.

I Also wish they would tone down medic a bit.

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>>388616964
>as long he is also a decent counter for demoman
demo already has a counter (scout is considered the most powerful 6s class), lets not fuck around with the existing things too much

valve should make spy actually useful so that pyro countering it is relevant

>>388608474
Absolute kino.

>>388617164
>soldier counters nothing
except he counters everything as long as he's indoors
literally nothing less of an uber can contest a nesting soldier

>>388617164
>soldier countering nothing
engineer

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>>388617337
>as long as he's indoors
that's like saying "Engineer counters Heavy as long as he's not revved up" or "Spy counters Pyro if the pyro is really far away"
The whole point of counters is that they have an advantage against other classes in general. When you start talking about specific situations obviously some classes have an advantage. That doesn't mean those specific situations are all of the gameplay.

Do all TF2 maps take place 100% indoors? Obviously not

>>388617519
engineer can out-turtle soldier's damage output.

>>388617587
no it's not like that because soldier has no counters at all, which means he has an advantage in 100% of situations

>>388618020
not having a disadvantage does not automatically mean having an advantage

ur ugly

>>388614828
Mine too. I prefer engineer and medic when I play casual but when I need to be credit to team I pick demo.

Medic isn't always a solid pick on offense when your team is too retarded to make good use of uber, or can't exploit corners to take out sentries that have trash placement.

>>388615494
>>*Can reliably 2-shot most classes with the default alone*
so can the RL, Shotgun and Scattergun what's your point

>>388618078
but it does idiot

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>>388618604
there are two boxers, A and B
they have the exact same height, weight, and strength
boxer A is not at a disadvantage to boxer B

would you say boxer A has an advantage over boxer B by way of the fact that he is not at a disadvantage?

basic fucking logic

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>>388614506
DEMOLITIONS MALE

>>388618676
>I'm retarded
yes, I know, however, TF2 is not a controlled 1v1 boxing match

>>388614828
>raptor dying
what a surprise

So, in tf2 only three classes got passive abilities:
>Scout, double jump
>Pyro, no afterburn
>Medic, automatic healing
What if every class was given a unique passive ability? Any ideas?

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>>388619076
poor raptor he's the new muma of medics

>>388619106
double jumping isn't a passive ability

demo and soldier have passive self-damage reduction
heavy has passive knockback resistance

>>388619124
Scout is more "power" than Pyro though.

>>388617307
I feel like I'd play at this level if I picked it back up today.

>>388619346
pyro packs more HP and multitarget damage and knockback than scout
the "power" category are the ones who really hold an area

>>388616526
>scouts
shortstop mad milk candy cane

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>>388619420
it's all about the fun

>>388617307
I am tempted to say that the blu team was way more incompetent than that demoman.

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>>388619545
>"""""""short"""""""" """"(((((((stop))))))))"""""""
>not fan
>not soda pooper

>>388619545
Mad Milk is the worst. Why does every class deserve an extinguishing weapon? Especially the only one prone to actually burn to death?

>>388619545
Can't you reflect Mad Milk bottles with the airblast?

>>388619665
not to mention Darwin's Danger Shield is getting reworked to give Sniper complete afterburn immunity

>>388619734
Fucking stupid. Pyro's rework better give them back something. I don't care if DoT is frustrating, it was a classes entire point.

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>shitty DOTA event is out of the way
>shitty TF2 event is out of the way
surely the announcement is tonight

>>388619734
>Now Snipers will all wear Darwin's to counter my Scorch Shot
Well, that will help my ally spies at least.

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>>388619879
Yeah exactly. I mean, it's one of the two things that makes Pyro a unique identity and gives it its entire name. Yet it's also a fucking joke.

>>388619932
If only

>>388619996
I don't think anyone will wear Darwin's after the change, actually. It's just too specific.
Jarate and Cozy Camper will also give you functional afterburn immunity while also being actually useful against other classes.

artstyle

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>>388620178
http://www.teamfortress.tv/35222/no-hats-mod
http://www.teamfortress.tv/35222/no-hats-mod
http://www.teamfortress.tv/35222/no-hats-mod
you're welcome

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https://youtu.be/9kbj89kwCcU

I AM SO MAD

I AM ONE OF THE MODELERS FOR ONE OF THE TEAMS that actually finished their map on time

the pyro update is waiting on two single teams being slow as shit, they've been delaying valve for two months already

investigate yourself, it's easy to know which teams they are

>>388620264
or you could just tell us and actually prove yourself

>>388620264
Can't they say "fuck you" to those teams and release the thing already?
This is why trusting the community is a joke.

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>>388620264
Piiiiiiics or it didn't happennnnn

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>>388620264
tell me more about it anon. who in the fuck is delaying this shit?

>>388620229
is there a mod that removes only complete trash like potassium bonnet and the sweatpants?

>>388621546
Read the thread in that link, by downloading two additional programs with Nohatsmod and editing files, you can pick and choose what items you want to remove

TLDR: Yes but it's more effort

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>tfw being a Pyro main is suffering but your only belief is that it'll be worse after the update.

>>388621852
I wonder how many buffs the soldier will get to compensate them for the pyro getting "buffed"

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>>388621958

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>>388621958
i honestlythink soldier's unlocks need more nerfs.

Shit like the DH having no damage reduction against sentries, the parachute not having downsides, the disciplinary action having only 25%less damage and etc.

>>388622107
The parachute's getting a nerf, and the whip got a nerf with the boost duration. It doesn't need any more nerfs.

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>>388622107
>Shit like the DH having no damage reduction against sentries
that's fine though. Direct Hit's lack of splash damage means that Soldier has to put himself in Sentries' LOS to hit them, and means he can't splash damage the Engineer or the Dispenser while shooting the Sentry.
>the parachute not having downsides
I agree but it is getting nerfed
>the disciplinary action having only 25%less damage
Agree
>>388622353
>and the whip got a nerf with the boost duration. It doesn't need any more nerfs
Yes it does need more nerfs. Let's compare it to stock Shovel.

>longest range of any melee weapon in TF2
>give yourself and allies a speed boost on hit
in exchange for:
>-16 damage on hit

That maths obviously doesn't add up to a balanced weapon.

Disciplinary Action is banned in competitively played TF2, and it's pretty much the only Soldier melee I use.
It should be nerfed so that it has a 5 second cooldown between speed boosting people, and its damage penalty should increase to 50%.

The Soldier weapons that officially need nerfing are
>Disciplinary Action
>Escape Plan
>BASE Jumper
>Reserve Shooter
Speaking as an unbiased person who likes to play both as and against Soldier on a frequent basis, and plays both pubs and competitive, and closely follows weapon usage rates.

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>>388621346

>>388622802
it just doesn't cut it man

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>>388622802
i appreciate you trying though

I recently got back into the game after not playing since 2016 and I'm extremely sad with the state of the game in my country.

There are barely any servers anymore (and the ones that exist are all shit), matchmaking is a joke and the competitive community is neutered. The only (as far as I know) active league actually bans you for talking shit or saying offensive words, for fuck's sake.

The fucking International, with a prize pool of 23 million dollars has room for shittalking and a goddamned South American league that you get items as prizes chose to ban it. Sure, its their league, they do what they want with it. But it's still stupid.

>>388622721
>Escape Plan
I still remember the good old Equalizer. Boy, that was so fun but also overpowered in the most retarded way.

>>388619727
It's to extinguish yourself dum dum.

>>388622721
>Direct Hit's lack of splash damage means that Soldier has to put himself in Sentries' LOS to hit them
but that's wrong
and even if it was true he'd only take from 0-15 damage depending on how well he does it

>>388622721
>that's fine though.

i disagree. he has to spend a microsecond more to shoot but he can kill the sentry before it even start firing in 2 shots, let alone a mini sentry.

Besides that i agree with everything. i can't wait for the base jumper nerf though, the shit is annoying as hell.

>>388622721
>nerf the escape plan
>get marked for death and be unabled to get healed
>nerf it further

If anything, the Equalizer needs a buff.

>>388622994
Everything could have been fine and dandy if, instead of splitting the Equalizer in two, Valve just stuck a 25 max HP penalty on it (similarly to how Eyelander is balanced).
Then we would have had an insanely fun Soldier melee weapon that was also balanced to use.

Instead, what we ended up with after the split was one Soldier weapon which is balanced but boring, and one Soldier weapon which is still sort of fun but also still overpowered.

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>>388622994
>mfw running around at full speed, doing 300 damage crits with the Equalizer
I miss that thing

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>>388623125
>but that's wrong
No, it's not
>he'd only take from 0-15 damage
I disagree, it would be more than that depending on circumstance, and DH's damage boost is only 22/rocket anyway

Direct Hit is a balanced weapon, you are ignoring what I also said about being able to damage the Engineer/Dispenser with splash with stock, which is part of what balances out the additional damage
>>388623187
>If anything, the Equalizer needs a buff
Let me explain to you why that's wrong.
We want to balance TF2 in the minimum amount of effort. We want to make all classes and all weapon unlocks balanced (to create a broader variety of player choice) with as few changes as possible, because Valve works slowly.

Stock Soldier (RL, Shotgun, Shovel) is already a balanced class. However, Escape Plan makes him stronger than other classes.
This means that if we want TF2 to be balanced we have two options:
>buff every other class up to the level of Escape Plan Soldier, and buff all of Soldier's melees up to the level of Escape Plan
or
>nerf Escape Plan down to the level of the other Soldier melees
It's obvious to see which option takes less effort.

I mean, let's say we went with your solution and buffed Equalizer up to the level of Escape Plan. Problem solved, right?
Shovel is still useless, all of Shovel's fun reskins are still useless and wasted, Half-Zatoichi is still useless, and Soldier is still better than other classes thanks to the advantage Escape Plan gives him.

You buff or nerf based on what will make TF2 a balanced game in the minimum of possible changes to save time, effort, and risk of failure. Which means:
1- rework stock classes that are bad for the game
2- buff classes that are weaker than the majority, nerf classes that are stronger than the majority
3- rework weapons that are bad for the game
4- buff weapons that are weaker than stock, nerf weapons that are stronger than stock

This is why Escape Plan gets nerfed. Escape Plan Soldier is better than the majority.

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>4 snipers on each team headshotting eachother
>that one spy that tries to backstab even though i have the razorback

>>388624021
>nerf escape plan
>becomes useless
>other melees are too situational or useless if DA gets nerfed
>stock shovel becomes norm

Might as well remove them all.

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>>388624245
>>nerf escape plan
>>becomes useless
your argument falls down right here
just because something is balanced alongside stock does NOT make it useless

all you have to do is slap a passive downside on it and it will be useful and interesting still, but will have an actual opportunity cost for choosing it that gives people a valid reason to choose other options if they like them

Eyelander is always my go-to example for this, it's more useful as a combat weapon than the Bottle, but it's still balanced relative to the Bottle. Why? Passive 25HP penalty means that if you're not focusing on your melee combat, you'll choose Bottle over Eyelander

Escape Plan can be the same with a passive downside such as "-25% healing from all sources on wearer" or something

>>388624582
The thing already marks you for death on equip, and you generally draw it when you're at critical HP for that speed boost to get out of trouble, so usually a scout breaking wind in your general vicinity will kill you. If all healing sources permanently become less useful as long as you have the escape plan equipped, it means you'll draw it to leave the fight to go heal, only to find that medikit you just picked up wasn't enough, either forcing you to retreat further or return to the fight and get your shit pushed in.

I certainly wouldn't bother with it, hell I don't even bother with the escape plan right now.

>>388610512
I mean nothing is wrong with the bottom part of the chart other than spy only being somewhat useful because they DR hasn't gotten destroyed yet and pyro is useless in general

>>388624114
Backstabbing the Razorback on purpose is a good move in the right occasions.

Soldier takes zero skill and needs to be nerfed

>>388624881
>alert sniper to your presence when you could 2-3 shot him with the revolver
>unable to use weapons for a second

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>>388624742
>The thing already marks you for death on equip
Oh come on anon, don't try and tell me that it's a balanced option relative to the Shovel. We all know the Escape Plan is far better than the Shovel in its current state.

If you're not a total retard, the mark for death means nothing to you.
In fact, if your HP is low enough, the mark for death means literally nothing at all.
Let's say you're on 1, 2, or 3 HP. The minimum amount of damage any weapon in TF2 does is 3 damage. So what difference are mini-crits going to make? What reason do you have not to pull out Escape Plan and go flying around the map at Scout speed?
>If all healing sources permanently become less useful as long as you have the escape plan equipped, it means you'll draw it to leave the fight to go heal, only to find that medikit you just picked up wasn't enough
That's the point of a downside. It balances the upside of flying away out of a dangerous situation and surviving where you normally wouldn't with your terrible Soldier walking speed (which is intended to balance Soldier's many strengths).
>hell I don't even bother with the escape plan right now
You're in the minority anon. The vast majority of Soldiers choose the Escape Plan out of the seven choices- 32.5% of pub players, and around 99% of competitive 6s players (where DA is banned, however I think DA needs nerfing too so that's moot).

In the interests of having an actually balanced game where people choose to use what they enjoy without being at a disadvantage, and content doesn't go to waste, Escape Plan should be nerfed to achieve that.

>>388619124
100% correct

>>388613515
But anon, I can see the filename without opening it

>>388625060
>takes zero skill
TF2 was explicitly designed to have a low skill floor, almost no class "takes skill".
>and needs to be nerfed
Stock Soldier is the core around which the rest of TF2 is balanced

>>388625276
Admittedly I wouldn't know much about the effects of the Escape Plan. I've never used it. I've either used the Equalizer or the DA, sometimes the katana if I get a wild hair up my ass. Especially since they gave it a proper extended melee reach.

Yeah fuck it, nerf the damn thing, it'd be nice to see other soldiers use other melee weapons.

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>>388625512
Fairo anon, you're a cool guy. DA is my main go-to Soldier melee as well, and I'm hoping that if EP gets a nerf, that the Half-Zatoichi might see more use in Soldier loadouts

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if Spy was buffed a bit, having 4 Spies on your team wouldn't be quite such a bad thing

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>>388625434
>retard that can't distinguish low skill floor from high trying to talk about balance

>>388625671
>you're a cool guy
Nah, I'm just a guy who has an unhealthy obsession with laser guns and extended reach melee, I should put the Half Zatoichi in one my loadouts.
Still praying for a bison buff or overhaul of some kind.

>>388625434
>Stock Soldier is the core around which the rest of TF2 is balanced
"Should be balanced". Unfortunately, that's not the case.

>>388625747
Stacking more than 2 of any class is a bad idea. Except Soldier and Medic, maybe.

>>388625747
This needs a brazzers logo.

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>>388625789
>>retard that can't distinguish low skill floor from high trying to talk about balance
Did you mean to say "can't distinguish skill floor from skill ceiling"?
You fucking retard. LMAO

>>388624881
>broken razorback
>*whips our kukri*
>gets a crit
>"Thanks mate"
>*taunts over his dead body*
>in chat he says "random crits are fair and balanced"

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>>388625932
no, I know what I said.
cretin

>>388625804
I agree. Currently it's more like (for stock classes, on symmetrical modes, with good players)
>S tier: Medic
>A tier: Defensive Engineer and Defensive Heavy
>B tier: Demo, Soldier, Scout
>C tier: Sniper
>D tier: Pyro, Spy
>F tier: Offensive Heavy, Offensive Engineer

I think that Medic should be nerfed, Engineer/Heavy should be reworked and Pyro/Spy should be buffed in order to achieve balance and good game pace.

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>>388626057
WE ALL KNOW WHAT YOU MEANT TO SAY
AAAHAHAHA

>>388625434
>>388625932
Nah dude you're retarded. Low skill floor means you're completely useless without some skill, see uncharged sniper bodyshots. High skill floor means even with no skill you perform well enough, see soldier blind rocket spam. Skill floor can be high or low, it is just the baseline ability of an utterly unskilled player.

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Punk's not dead.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DJ4P-NFByI

>>388610794
HI THERE

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>>388626289
>He thanks Kitty in the credits

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>>388626219
>Low skill floor means you're completely useless without some skill
That's the exact opposite of the commonly accepted definition; you're digging yourself deeper man

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>>388626517
You can pretend to be retarded all you like, nobody is falling for it, but we must educate the other 12 year olds who are lurking instead of le ebin 4chin funpostering.

>>388626442
except pyro would actually take skill unlike winston because
>no auto-aiming gun
>low HP
>no "fuck you" shield
>actually finite ammo and airblasting would eat it up like mad forcing the player to sacrifice something if he wants to move faster similar to soldier

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>>388626517
>that picture

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>>388626660
Ah, the old "pre-emptively accuse the other poster of pretending to be retarded" gambit
this is your final (you), I've shown everyone worth convincing that you're in the wrong

>>388610512
>engie and heavy up on attack
Fucking wew lad. Heavy is essential on attack against a team with a semi-competent Pyro that keeps tabs on his engie, since he'll airblast projectile spam and ubers all day. The moment you hop around the corner as heavy you'll see that Pyro turn tail and run like a bitch because he can't airblast bullets and knows any minigun will chew him up. Then nest dies shortly after.

Engie, while certainly not great for dps on the leading edge of the fight, is essential for establishing a foothold on the map, as an aggressive senty nest(for example at the corner of the second to last point on Badwater) is fantastic for keeping out flankers, enemy kritz charges , and other undesirables. Never mind the need to have a Tele up for those sorts of distances. On attack, the engie becomes support, instead of defense.

>>388625793
>Still praying for a bison buff or overhaul of some kind
Me too man, the nerf was the dumbest fucking move Valve ever made

>>388627073
>The moment you hop around the corner as heavy you'll see that Pyro turn tail and run like a bitch because he can't airblast bullets and knows any minigun will chew him up. Then nest dies shortly after.
what actually happens outside your fantasy is the pyro airblasts your ass multiple times throwing your aim off until he dies because he knows this is the only way he can be useful to the team, after he's dead you have 1 second of uber left and the engie is wrangling his sentry so you tickle it a little before dying

So, IF an announcement happens, it will be in an hour and a half, right? That's the time when Valve updates its things.

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>>388627251
probably.

i am eagerly waiting for anything to be announced really

>>388627073
>On attack, the engie becomes support, instead of defense.
This. It's two weeks I keep repeating this to that guy but he won't listen.
The only way to make Engi viable in pure attack is to buff the mini-turret back to its original state.

>>388627367
Raven is always top tier breeding material.

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>>388627073
>since he'll airblast projectile spam and ubers all day
Soldier has the Shotgun, Scout has the Scattergun, Demoman has stickybombs.
>Then nest dies shortly after
Minigun, and only Minigun, has a hidden damage penalty against Engineer buildings.
>Never mind the need to have a Tele up for those sorts of distances
This only really applies on Payload and some stages of A/D maps.
In TF2 as a whole, taking ALL game modes into account, Engineer is a seriously underpowered class in offensive roles, and so is Heavy.

>>388627424
>It's two weeks I keep repeating this to that guy but he won't listen
And you keep not listening to the fact there's more game modes to TF2 than just fucking 24/7 Badwater Basin. In TF2 as a whole, Engineer is not good on offense. This is what we see in the actions of actual players both in competitive and pubs.
>The only way to make Engi viable in pure attack is to buff the mini-turret back to its original state
That's not the "only" way, and Gunslinger isn't a viable pushing tool now and wasn't before its nerf. All it does is bring a weaker version of the stalemate to the frontline.

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>>388627497
always

>>388627798
i honestly think the mini sentry needs a buff either in damage, deployment speed, health, range or a mix of the these options.

i suppose using the jag is an option but it is not the same thing.

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>>388609880
>tfw actually look like demon an but without the beard.

>>388628056
The Gunslinger, as it stands, is currently almost perfectly balanced relative to the stock Wrench. Minisentry needs no buff. Lots of people use it already, it's one of the better balanced weapons in TF2.

What needs to happen is for the stock Engineer to get a nerf to his defensive, turtling abilities, and a buff to his offensive, supportive, mobile side. This will increase the pace of the game, reduce the prevalence of stalemates, and allow Engineers to be full-time viable in 5CP for the people who enjoy them.

>>388628301
Miniturrets need to get back the healing while building up. As it stand now, they go up too slow.

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>>388628181
>niggers phoneposting

>>388628532
Like I just told you, Minisentries are balanced right now. The speed at which they go up is just right, there's no need or reason to buff them. Engineer himself is what needs changing.

>>388628837
It's like talking with a brick wall.

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>>388628994
>you: claim X
>me: refutation of claim X
>you: claim X again
>me: refutation of claim X again in reply
>you: omg it's like talking with a brick wall
Okay, so this is obviously an attempt to bait me.

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What's the best non-meme community map you ever played?

For me it's probably cp_abyss. Not even done yet, but it's amazing. Pl_pier is a runner up.

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>>388629453
CONVOY MOTHERFUCKER

>>388625282
hi dane

>>388628301
I respect your opinion but i desagree.

Stock engieneer is fine as it is because he is supposed to be a defensive characte or hild down the line. I guess he us kinda stong if you are talking about 6v6 but it is not an impossible task to take an engie down. Stallements happen usually because the team is way too incompetent to work together to take one out

>>388629453
trade_minecraft

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RIP in resting in peace rip

Do hats still not drop?

>>388629814
Hat and cosmetics drop normally.

I got a soldier racoon and a heavy one man army in the same week.

>>388629693
>Stallements happen usually because the team is way too incompetent to work together to take one out
Nope, stalemates actually happen with more frequency at high level play.

It's not about incompetence, an intelligent team simply doesn't want to walk into a situation where they're at a natural disadvantage because the other team has a 215HP, 578DPS, knockback immune, status effect immune, crit immune aimbot that will force them to waste their entire Uber on it or die trying when pushing in, in addition to all the other dangers

>>388629619
I got so excited for UT2k4 to get some more recognition. And then absolute cancer. Ok.

>>388629923
I thought there was some big conspiracy because hats suddenly stopped dropping and Volvo ignored it completely

>>388630028
there is also a series of comfy Facing Worlds remakes in TF2

they removed it but then they added it back in

the rate of hat drops is a lot less common now which is weird because hats aren't worth anything anymore so why bother making drops so rare?

Is Console-chan's Party van server still up?

>>388630254
yes buit its empty

>>388608474
Wow so EPIC

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If TF3 ever becomes a thing I don't want Robin in charge or any where near the balance. The blatant favoritism when it came to balance or which classes got unlocks hurt TF2. It's been a decade and Engineer still hasn't gotten an alternative upgradable sentry gun.

Pyro Update, Heavy Update, and Scream Fortress 2017 are all going to be the same. There is a comic where Heavy actually refuses the 'WAR!' bargain, insisting he be given new guns immediately, and so the Administrator complies. Also, Pyros identity and origin is revealed as a comedic afterthought, but then spirals into the Scream Fortress event.

>>388630924
pictures or it did not occur

>>388630924
it wouldn't make any sense to do both updates at the same time and disregard the winner of meat your match if they could've just released the pyro content months ago

>>388628837
minis do 33% less DPS than level 1 sentries, yet they only build 1.2 seconds faster. they also have 50 less HP. minis are pretty shit senpai

>>388630075
That was several years ago.

>>388631084
>yet they only build 1.2 seconds faster
and have a smaller hitbox
and cost only 100 metal rather than 130, allowing two to be placed in quick succession
and start building on 50HP rather than 1HP
and the Gunslinger gives Engineer 25HP

gunslinger=wrench

As an aside: A Wrangled mini-sentry has the same EHP as a Heavy

>>388631079
this is one of the last major updates TF2 is going to ever get. possibly one more after this, and then maybe some oddball one years later just for laughs.

>>388630075
I believe hats stopped dropping for a brief period of time but i took a break from the game when it ahppened, so I don't know much about it.

>>388630010
Yeah, which is why he is just good as it is. At high level play and casual a medic with uber would just save it to steamroll the other team, especially if the other medic lost its uber, stock engie is there to defend the push as much as he can.

I'm sure a intelligent team can destroy a sentry with a fee stickis, rockets or a combination of both without much hassle.

Nerffing him will just make whoever is steamrolling win the game much faster.

>>388631538
stop spreading bullshit for two seconds

>>388631538
As long they fix their fucking matchmaking system im good with that.

>>388625276
Doesnt pocket run pain train in 6s for fast cap with med?

Texan "Bad Day" Sentry

>>388631601
>a medic with uber would just save it to steamroll the other team, especially if the other medic lost its uber
that's a good thing, if the enemy's medic dropped Uber it's because he's less skilled
besides Medic is fundamentally OP anyway and I want to nerf the impact of that too
>I'm sure a intelligent team can destroy a sentry with a fee stickis, rockets or a combination of both without much hassle
you have no idea what drives the actions of an intelligent team then, anon
it's not 6 people against 1 engie and his powerful sentry
it's 6 people against 1 engie, his powerful sentry, and 5 other people defending that powerful sentry

that's why it causes stalemates because why the fuck would you want to push into that shit? So you sit still, run down the timer, and wait until it reaches the point where even if the enemy does manage to beat you when you push in, they won't be able to recap everything

>>388631724
not commonly, generally it's escape plan for building uber quickly
PT does see some occasional use, but escape plan is by far the most used Soldier melee

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>>388608474
>le badass bloodspatter
Every. Time.

>>388631643
i'm not giving that anon any credibility but keep in mind that they did say that the future updates are depending on the community's reception of pyro's

>>388632132
this is infuriating
how many times do i have to tell people, they never said they would stop updating the game if the pyro update was recieved poorly
they just said that they would swap to smaller update model
are you baiting me?
don't

>>388631965
Which is why you either use uber, go for the sentry first or kill some of the other team members before taking it out.

Also, basing the game balance solely around 6s is a huge mistake i hope they don't make because the game and the maps weren't designed around that. I would propose balance changes for weapons to have different stats for ranked and specific maps for ranked, but i dont want any of that shit on casual and community servers.

>>388608474
wow that was fucking terrible

>>388632994
>Which is why you either use uber
congrats you are now down uber and lose the fight
>go for the sentry first or kill some of the other team members before taking it out
wow anon, how did nobody ever think of that before now???? ur a strategic genius, hired for se7en playmaker replacing kaidus
>because the game and the maps weren't designed around that
actually, the game was designed around 8v8 originally; 12v12 was a last-month decision before release
and many, many maps that are now in the game ARE designed around 6s
not a stellar argument
>I would propose balance changes for weapons to have different stats for ranked and specific maps for ranked
a waste of time, what makes comp better makes pubs better too
you don't see CS:GO or Dota 2 having separate balances for their competitive and casual sides, why should TF2

Where's the fuggin update Volvo

>>388615007

Scout! What time is it?

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>tf2
>2017
Am laffin

>>388633482
First, stop getting assblasted my man, this is a casual conversation. The game might have starter as a 8v8 and launched as a 12 v 12 butbthe entirety of the every single update up until maybe mym was based around 12s.

Second, ranked csgo and dota are the exactly same game played in casual. Tf2 ranked not only is much different than casual play but most weapons are either banned or not viable, team numbers is pretty much half of the possible normal amount in casual games.

The entire game is based around 12 and it is what makes some classes shine on their designeted roles, spies can mix among the team to fuck shit up, engie defends the point aganst team push,medicc heals the team and provides invulnerability to psuh and etc.

For the game to work on ranked it would need a completely roster revamp and the entire game would suffer for a mode that is barely alive and doesn't even have servers for all regions.

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*blocks ur path*

>>388615959
God help my dick

>>388621239
tell me the source

>>388602402
>Half of anons dont know how to use console correctly
If you don't know how to use the fucking console you don't belong on /v/. Hell you probably wouldn't even belong on reddit, that's basic level shit.

>>388638074
Henry i belive

>>388602402
I was thinking on making my own server but i would have to pay for that.

I would juat add non-cancerous maps in random rotation. Most payload, koth and maybe just doomsday

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>>388611392
The sheer amount of willful ignorance and unwarranted smugness in this post is incredible, never stop posting

>>388611392
>Pyro is good.
>Close range main weapon does less damage at close range than shotgun.
OK.

>>388621346
Oh please, if they add that it'd be Halloween/full moon exclusive. I fucking hate that a bunch of really cool cosmetics, some of which don't even clash with the art style, can only be worn once a month, while Christmas shit and pony shit and other atrocious cosmetics can be worn year round.

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>>388639505
>Halloween on mansion
>this plays loudly
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLJr49Ewomk

>>388622802
Try Death Support Pack.

>check the scoreboard
>3 demomen and 1 soldier
>"hmm maybe i dont need to play a demoman"
>they're all demoknights

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>>388640051
>join game
>look up
>SPYPOCOLYPSE
>cant leave game because of muh cooldown shit

>>388640580
>cant leave game because of muh cooldown shit
What the fuck are you talking about?

>>388640809
>press leave
>"if you leave now you will have a cooldown period before you can join again"
>its not comp
>have to wait 10 minutes to do shit
>has a "its safe to disconnect" text at the end of the game
TF:GO sucks ass

>>388599050
What's going on? Haven't played TF2 in a year.
Are they finally adding new weapons that isn't a reskin?

>>388641321
new reskins + more weapons and cosmetics

>>388641190
Are you just making shit up now?

>>388641502
Are the weapon stats out yet? I would like to look at them.

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>>388641815
>making shit up
its in the game, if you leave matches too much you get a cooldown, or leave in the middle of a match sometimes.

>>388641190
>casual cooldown
You are literally lying

>>388642112
I leave matches more often than I play them and this has never happened.

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>>388642253
>>388642136
>>388641815
lmao, BAITED! you can get cooldowns but only for MvM, thanks for the 4chan gold fellas

>>388614828
Demo should have gotten Gunboats.

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>>388642385
sure bud

>>388626003
>not swarming him with 3 spies like you're raptors from Jurassic Park

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>>388642731
what did you expect? i never really was on your side

>TFW ashamed of my hours in TF2 due to me leaving it on night.
>But I want to play it anyway.
Fuck.

>>388610524
Anyone got the greentext about a guy shoving the mic up his ass to use it as a vibrator with screaming kids.

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>>388629787
>now not only does it take a gorillion years to take out and swing
>it also does 138 dmg

>>388643276
>>388629787

You can still do it but is not worth it, is better to pop someone with the flaregun

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>>388629619
Oh shit im in the pic, miss playing on the server always dead now though

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>>388640580
>Not "Spoycalypse"

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>>388629619
>>388644813
>party /v/an
F

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so this is the designated partyvan revival thread! right bros?

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>>388638576
>non-cancerous
>payload

>>388647906
>Payload and payload races are not fun

Most payload maps are funcking great anon

RIP HOUSE OF /V/IRGINS ;-;

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GET IN HERE FAGGOTS
51.15.13.7:27015
VAN IS BACK BABY
>0 players
LETS POPULATE IT

>>388632091

It's not nice to screenshot someone's Snapchats. This was from Yesterday. Delete this picture now and please never do it again.

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>>388648915
>tfw spic
have fun guys

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>>388617164
>Pyro counters spy
>Soldier counters nothing

>>388649251
>cant even get more than 3 players
F

>>388631084
>minis do 33% less DPS than level 1 sentries
Level 1 Sentry Gun: 64 DPS
Combat Mini-Sentry: 48 DPS
That's 75% of the DPS.

>they only build 1.2 seconds faster
Level 1 Sentry Gun Construct: 10.5s
Level 1 Sentry Gun Construct (Wrench Boost): 4.2s
Combat Mini-Sentry Construct: 4.2s
Combat Mini-Sentry Construct (Gunslinger Boost): 2.625s
So it builds 6.3 seconds faster without boost and 1.575 seconds faster with boost.

>they also have 50 less HP
True, but it's still enough to survive a shot from the Rocket Launcher.

Also, you forgot the fact that
>It costs 100 metal, in comparison to the 130 metal it costs to build a Level 1 Sentry Gun
>It starts building from 50 HP, rather than 1 HP. This means the enemy has to focus on it a little more to destroy it before it constructs.
>It increases the Engineer's health from 125 to 150, making him bulkier.
>3-hit crit combo, because YEE-HAW

Reverting the Mini-Sentry back to its pre-Gun Mettle Update state would be a terrible idea. The Gunslinger used to be completely braindead to use, built in 2.5 seconds regardless of whether or not it was hit and began construction at full health, meaning it took multiple hits to take it out while constructing. This would lead the attacker to be at a notable clip disadvantage for the Engineer to rush him with the Shotgun.

>>388648475
define cancerous then because i am pretty sure they can be considered fun. however i don't find payload fun at all, in fact it is everything not relating to the payload in that gametype that i find fun. sitting on a slow moving object whose max speed is x3 is boring as fuck, two player guaranteed to not have fun, attack and defend is a better version of the formula and even then comparatively 5cp and koth are the only timeless gametypes that don't lose their luster after 5 games

>>388651181
t. Scout with phd in maths

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>>388629787
>>388643276
>meanwhile this weapon gets to do 195 damage, pulls out super quick and swings at standard speed for the whopping downside of reducing the sniper's effective max health from 125 to 105, but only when he's holding it out.

>>388644202
no shit it isn't worth it. you know you can literally outdps this "combo" weapon at a safer distance just using the flamethrower? its that fucking useless now

>>388648915
get in here fags

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>van is fucking dead
are there any other /v/ servers?

>>388651223
Basically any 5cap and ctf map is cancerous as hell