The current state of WoW

>>388592084
Who gives a fuck? Legacy servers when?

>>388592084
Isn't that the balanced it's been in a while?

That's hella low dps

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>>388592189

>only 1mil between the best and worst

that's the most balanced it's been? holy fuck lol

Didn't they go through a bunch of bullshit a few expansions ago to condense stat creep?

>>388592452
Blizzard has never had a good reputation when it comes to balance except for Starcraft.

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>>388592452
>1m difference
I think you need to learn how to count.

>>388592452
Uhh that's a 200,000 dps difference, not a million.

Also
>unattributed dps rankings with no itemlevels, no mention of what kind of fight it is or whether they're reported or simulated

the number bloat in blizzard games is so fucking stupid

>1.7m is the top dps
>900k is the lowest

What the fuck is this gap?

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>>388592820
>1.7m

wow /v/ is even less numerate than I thought

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>>388592820
>>388592452
>Reading comprehension

>>388592084
Patch is coming literally tomorrow. These numbers are pretty much already outdated.

>>388592084
>ww monks that high
Almost enough to get me to come back. Most fun class/spec in the game.

>>388592971
>>388593032
Your both retarded.

Affliction at the bottom enhancement near the top, nice bait

This isn't vanilla WoW were your RL would kick you since your dumb ass thought vanilla Ret,arcane, or balance where good specs.

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>>388593312

>>388593312

trolling is a art

The fact that gameplay boils down to not getting rotation wrong so you maximize damage is what's abysmal in this game. Characters need to excel in a particular area, not compete like this.

>>388593317
That just means its single target.

>>388593317
This picture literally has no context.

>>388593554
Some classes are still better than others when it comes to specific encounters. This chart means fuck all since theres too many variables from each fight, raid comp, and player skill to account for.

>>388593554
It does though?
Some classes are better on fights with adds, some are better on high movement, some classes you want more of because they have a soak, some classes you want more of because they have a brez. Warlock summon is the whole reason anyone takes them.

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>>388593312
>>388593512
Fuck I'm so grammar trigg'd

>>388592084
Wow enhance is still near the top and still fun to play

Im shocked that blizz is at least doing that much right

DPS charts are so pointless. Factors like gear, AoE and player competency are absent so people go picking the class at the top thinking it's an easy way to top DPS charts but are as incompetent as the class shown at the bottom. They only have to work less to be higher on the chart.

But at the end of the day it still requires about 10+ DPS to do combined damage. Nobody is just going to fill it with only arms warriors.

>>388592170
Literally when the fuck are they gonna implement this? Do they even realize they'd probably double their subscribers overnight by doing it?

>>388593882
DPS charts only matter for complaining on forums.

>>388593594
Exactly affliction may not out sim an arms or fury warrior but they are the best performing dps in the game currently and they sim near the top even when only referring to patchwerk.

>>388594393
DPS charts are only designed to make it so people can be biased towards some classes even if they aren't doing Mythic content.

>>388592084

>Fury warrior at the top late in the expansion

Never saw that coming!

>>388592452
Its about a thenth of the highest value between the bottom and the top.
Believe it or not, that's actually about as good as it has been all expac long, not to mention the majority of the game's lifespan.

>>388592084
>frost STILL is a mess because ToS doesnt have that many BoS friendly bosses and they have no clue how to balance the other 100 talents to NOT make them laughable CDs

Its beyond me

>>388592084
>Outlaw that high
i knew my patience would finally pay off
too bad I stopped playing

when will this game die

>>388594757
they're making a lot of changes to frost in 7.3

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>mfw affli lock main

>>388594904
>tfw shadow main
>absolute garbage aoe
>don't do good enough ST damage to compensate

>>388592084
>fire and arcane mages that low
what the fuck happened. Remember when Frost was the spec that was only ever used in pvp?

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/statistics/13#dataset=90&aggregate=amount
Here's an actual representation of the value of the dps specs in the current tier. Only 90 percentile parses and above from the entirety of ToS. As only 2 bosses are completely patchwerk, it would be wrong to only look at single target fights.

>>388592084

I remember in Vanilla when 600 DPS was crazy for most classes.

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>>388592084
>thread two weeks ago had fury warriors in the bottom 3 or some shit

>>388595736
this chart sucks

>>388595645
this one is better

and irrelevant tomorrow when 7.3 drops

>>388594078
They wouldn't be able to implement a cash shop

>>388595717
yeah when I played maplestory doing 1k damage was amazing now 5 billion is the standard

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>>388595645
>those rogue numbers
>when rogues have always been the biggest crybabies about DPS

>>388592084

These numbers are so fucking stupid I thought they did a stat squish to the game to make the numbers less extravagant?

Also at least my experience with WoW from vanilla to wotlk...haven't fury warriors always been a top 5 dps class?

I will admit thought its funny seeing frost mage as a viable dps spec considering its had dog shit damage for multiple expans. in a row.

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So anyways, here's the real numbers
>Implying the shitshow dev team can keep ranged and dot classes down despite unavoidable power creep
Melee in endgame fights never hit their theoretical dps. The game us fundamentally bias against them.

>>388596386
>Melee in endgame fights never hit their theoretical dps. The game us fundamentally bias against them.

Isn't that because physical damage is always reduced by the enemies armor, whereas most ranged classes don't have that problem?

>>388592170
people would realise how dull vanilla was and quit within two months

>>388596504
It's because so few fights are tank n spank in endgame. There's tons of aoe to avoid and fire to run out of. Their uptime goes to shit when all that movement gets involved.

>>388592084
Did they nerf shadow priests or did they just get less dps from the new ranks in the weapons?

Last played early this year

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>>388592084
>The current state of WoW
>Warrior on top
>Fury Warrior of all things

Legion breaking ground.

>>388594078
Never. Very few want to play legacy. Those who do already jumped on a p-server, played for a month and then came back to retail.

>>388592084
>12+ years of the game
>balancing overall dps is simple damage tuning at this point
>They still refuse to do it
>200k differance between 1st and last spot.

I wonder horrible world shattering event would happen if they actually properly balanced dps.

>>388592716
Simcraft is always based on best stats per spec, highest ilvl without war/titanforge and single target patchwerk style fight.

It's never changed. It's always been ranked like that.

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>BAAAAAAAAAAA I HAVE TO PLAY WHAT THE BEST DPS SPEC IS REGARDLESS OF FUN

The current WoW community has to be purged.

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>balancing dps
Not everyone has to be a dps, you retards. If a healer and a rogue did the same dps, what would be the point of playing a rogue if you can play a different class with the same dps but more utility?

>>388598141

>WoW players
>having logic

>>388598091
Well that kinda happens when neets sperg out over being 1000DPS less than the next guy up.

>not playing Sub rogue
hahaha i laugh at all you fags. best abilities. best soaker. best pvp.

>>388598141
Congratulations. You just described the Druid class since BC.

>>388597368
>>388594078
>>388592170
I have a theory that the reason they are not making legacy servers for now is because people would stop buying future expansions and just play whatever legacy expansion server they preffer, so they are waiting for the final expansion of wow to wrap up the story and then announce that they are working on legacy servers for each expansion.

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>Played UH DK through all of EN & NH when they were the worst spec in the game
>Quit to play Stormblood
>UH DK is now one of the top specs

Anyone else thinking that blizzard is dumbing down wow so it can be played on consoles?

>>388598861
No because the engine is so old it would shatter when they tried to port it.

>>388598910

This and also they'd have to basically redesign the UI from the ground up to support console play

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You wake up in South Shore's inn.
You're awoken by the loud horns and men shouting as ships are coming into port.
Getting dressed and gathering your things you head out, saying good bye to the inn-keeper and fellow patrons.

Stepping outside into the cold air. The winds had brought the soft fresh falling snow down from the Alterac Peaks, you can see the air forming before your lips as you head off on your adventure.

Looking around you see the snow slowly dropping onto the ground, grass and your armor. The birds have left for the winter and you can see the wildlife scrambling to get their food for hibernation. The trees leaves are becoming frosted and the lakes ever colder.

You feel at peace as you continue onward to your quest but as you reach Tarren Mill you sigh and shake your head at it's downtrodden-state and you try to keep your distance from the Forsaken patrols

Hours later, you end up in the Alterac Mountains. The air is more chilling.
Eventually you see some Horde warriors. They warily pass by you, their hands clenching on their weapons in ready for a fight but you wave at them and smile.
Continuing on your trail, you arrive at the town of Alterac and with the ogres wiped out you find shelter before the storm comes in.

Settling down and lighting a cozy fire in a small shack, you look out the nearby shattered window at the heavy snowfall - ''By the Light.''.
As the Blizzard continues, you wonder if you'll ever or when make it back to Light's Hope Chapel as you train to become a Paladin of the Alliance.

>>388598141
ok, a heal/dps hybrid class is #3 on the chart. according to you, its still not even balanced

>>388598141
if you need more heals, drop a dps and get another healer. there has never been a case where a raid needed half a dps and half a healer. the concept of a hybrid tank doesnt even exist too. everybody forgets about that one

>>388598910
>>388598982
But aren't those problems solvable? I mean, they already changed a lot in the game, would it really be that hard to make those compatible with console systems?

>>388598987
and then you get bit by a worgen

>>388599141
>ui
easy. addon makes have made controller mods
>engine
impossible

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>>388592084
Wow never thought I would see the day when frost mage is the highest dps. Times sure change, except the fucking game.

>>388599136
>the concept of a hybrid tank doesnt even exist too
There are classes that can do temporary tanking by taunting and blowing cooldowns or kiting

>>388598590
DPS ranking in legion are shit, because durning en and even nh, every week spec were shuffled. I remember being top dps for 2 week, then dropping to the bottom, later being one of the worst 3 dps spec, climb back to middle , reach top and again bottom. All of this in span of 2 months.

>>388599284
Hmmm guess you are right, I was just hoping they had a reason for getting rid of abilities other than them trying to attract more children to play.

>>388592084
>noxxic

>>388592084
>Fury top DPS

what in the fuck?

>>388592084
>tfw frost mage
>tfw equal or barely more dps then a fucking shadow priest CLICKER
fuck free damage on use trinkets and fuck my friend for making me resub because he said i smash as a mage

>>388599547
Blizz has a warrior fetish, the only expansion where they were useless dps was cata.

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>>388599209
>Worgen in alterac


You login into your class hall and head directly for your mission board, loot the gold, the AP items and restock on minions.
With a sigh you change spec to apply the AP item to your third artifact because you want that mount but you need concordance.
After that then you head to Dalaran....

*Five minutes and a D/C later*
You log into Dalaran and you leave tradechat then peer at your map. ''DAILY QUESTS HERE, GO GO, ONLY 30 MINS LEFT AND INVASIONS, OH NOES, Don't you want to level that 7th alt?''
With a heavy audible groan you decide what quest to do after circling Dalaran a few times.
As you make your way to your quest you're bombarded with ''ENEMY FORCES HOLD THIS TOWER, DESTROY THEM.'' - ''I need WINE, JUMP IN THE VAT.'' - ''Here use this quest item on the withered, stupid bitch... I mean, saviour of the nightborne.''

As you finish your 4 daily quests, you head off to the emissary, hoping for a good legendary.
[You died]
[Fatigue Dmg]
[Ress sickness]
You recieve: [RNG BOX]
You receive: Blood of sargerasx1
You receive: Shattered jerkin of tumbles - 850 titanforged
You loot 15 gold and 2 silver.
After crying, ranting and spitting, you calm down then you hearth back to Dalaran.
*5 minute load screen*
The flying in circles begin as you wait for your order hall missions to finish.

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>>388599442
>I was just hoping they had a reason for getting rid of abilities other than them trying to attract more children to play.
To avoid making their game solely for the model train modern sonic playing fidget spinner crowd.
If they kept adding abilities they'd have attracted the autistic children crowd, that's for damn sure.

>>388599764

I recently came back to WoW, got to about 910 ilevel with 35% Haste, 34% Mastery. Still can barely break 750k DPS. Maybe I'm retarded or that fucking NH trinket is too OP.

>>388592084
>used to play back in vanilla when I was a retarded kid who just wondered around doing random shit, would occasionally go back every couple years and do the same thing
>went back to it and played seriously when legion came out and had a shitload of fun

Is everything that's been added since legion launched worth going back for? I did the raid on the normal difficulty and called it quits because the only thing left for me to really do was farm that Suramar currency shit.
>tfw got my first legendary on my first every raid boss

>>388599950
>he isn't an enchanter so he can melt down all of the useless purples the game floods your bags with
for shame

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>enhance that high

I miss when spriests were good

>>388600696
Blizz will nerf him like in EN when nearly all people playing enh told blizz its fucking fun, but then blizz pulled of "you thing you do..." shit and nerfed him because you're not alowed to have fun buffing your wepaon and then stormstrikeing the shit out of enemy

Aren't Warriors and Rogues almost always at the top (or near) in WoW since vanilla?

>over 1 million DPS

The fuck, how much HP do bosses have now?

If you still play this brain dead "game", you're hopeless. I'm just glad you stay in the Blizzard bubble and don't leak out to destroy better games.

>>388592170
>spend a ton of money setting up official servers to their own standards
>90% of people drop out after 2-4 months
>playerbase of current wow becomes even more fragmented

genius idea i'm sure they'll get right on it

>>388601031

I miss when we were indispensable as mana batteries instead of having nothing to offer over any other dps specs with better CC.

>200k difference

I mean, the disparity isn't THAT awful on this chart, I'm just bothered that Ferals have to work twice as hard to pull mediocre numbers

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>>388592084
This is literally a Noxxic ranking. Noxxic is a troll site and their sims are intentionally wrong.

This is what it actually looks like, based off several hundred thousand parses uploaded to Warcraftlogs.

Fury warrior on top? Because the gameplay feels like you are fighting with two giant nerf bats, maybe because my gear is shit?

>>388601657

Mythic Kil'jaeden has 10 billion HP I think

>>388592170
If everquest can manage it, wow can.

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>>388592084
why is blizzard's balancing SO FUCKING GARBAGE, I DON'T WANT TO GO BACK TO BORING ASS SHITTY MM, FUCK

>>388602170
>next tier increases raptor strike damage
>RAPTOR STRIKE DAMAGE
they're either intentionally fucking you guys in the face because too many ranged hunters are butthurt there is a melee option or they don't understand the spec they created

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>>388602316
I feel like this expansion wore me out a lot faster. Or maybe it's because of how godawful 7.2 was at the beginning. Gotta love forced time-gating. I guess on the upside, Balance seems to be in a better spot.

I miss MoP.

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>>388601938
>assassin at the bottom
so glad i unsubbed months ago

>>388602493
As a Rogue main I couldn't be happier. Assassin was fucking awful to play and the new Sub is Feral Druid tier fun but actually good in terms of DPS.

>>388602170
They're doing what they did with Glad Stance in Legion, they're gutting it and leaving it to die because they're either too stupid or too lazy to try and balance it.

>>388602579
>Feral Druid
>Fun
Impossible

>>388602640
More like fuckface Ion Handymandy literally doesn't care about the state of the game and loves to shit all over players the moment he can

What is better, WoW or FFXIV? Why?

I know the nature of the thread will lend itself to bias but I don't mind. I'm curious as to what you think.

>>388597368

I played on a Wrath private server and the reason I stopped playing was because it was buggy as fuck. But I can't fucking stand retail WoW.

It's not as simple as you make it out to be.

>>388602781
Both are shit for their own reasons, but FFags are quicker to anger because their generals got deleted off of /v/ and they always come into every WoW thread and cry, kick, and scream like the lonely weebs they are.

>>388602781

nothing is better than WoW, even with it's flaws

GOAT MMO overall

Being a monk is suffering.

>>388603021
Not if you're a Brewmaster

>>388603021
being anything unpopular is always suffering

how is that versatility buff looking on ptr?

>>388598987
>tfw I have an alt I've been leveling purely through questing and I've been constantly RPing like that in my head whenever I play him

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>>388592084
Everytime I unsub, Fury become top dps.

>>388602986
WoW is shit fuck off blizzdrone

>>388603491
>This is really only a 0.5% damage increase overall
kek nevermind

What happened to fire mage? It use to be #1 or #2

>>388603603
Fury is in the bottom third, OP is trolling.

>>388592084
>all sin rogues have is ST
>below sub and outlaw
these people can't balance for shit. either give sin proper aoe, that doesn't require a ramp up and mobs to live 10 minutes, or stop reducing their dmg.

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>All I wanted from Legion was some story for Baine
>Giant fucking zone filled with Tauren
>Baine was in Highmountain in the alpha/beta
>Then got cut out for no reason ever given despite having voiced lines and everything
>Highmountain now feels like a husk of its former self story-wise
>The only thing I play the game for now is never relevant ever
Why do I even bother

>>388603696
Nothing, they're still really good on fights with AoE. Frost just pulls ahead on single target stuff.

>>388592084
>warlock now the worst class

never thought i'd see the day.

>>388603852
When the fuck did Frost get ahead on DPS? Isnt that suppose to be arcane's schtick? Why did they give the class thats meant to trade damage for CC more single target dps? I dont understand that decision

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>tfw feral druid in 7.3

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>>388603910
yea they're horrible

blows my mind how people still play retail

>>388604184
>WHY DON'T YOU PLAY ON THIS SHITTY OBSCURE PRIVATE SERVER LIKE I DO???

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>>388603569

>>388603632

You're only angry because you know it's true

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>>388604418
He's a big bull

>>388592084
That chart is pretty much meaningless when legendaries exist. If you dont have the best two legendaries for your spec your DPS will be dog shit. And that is why Legion is awful and why I quit.

>>388604586
Is it just me or does this expansion have a HEAP of grinding compared to the others?

I remember with bc, wotlk and cata once you hit max level it was just dungeons and dailies until you got a higher enough ilevel to do raids.

>>388599437
Single target raid DPS is more balanced right now than it has ever been.
This is a literal fact, take off your rose-tinted goggles.
The difference between the best spec and the worst spec at the absolute top-end is closer than it's ever been. There is not a single spec that is too far ahead, and no single spec that is too far behind.

If you are not shit and willing to put in the effort, you can make any spec work unless you're in a world top 100 guild.

>>388604684
Its not just the grind thats the issue. There is no way to grind specifically for a certain legendary. You just do your weekly chores and hope that you dont get shit on by RNG. There is a very small change to get a legendary, and an even smaller chance to get one of the good ones.

Someone who is the same item level as you (or even lower) who could also be worse at the game would still out DPS you if they got luckier than you with their legendary drops. That is absolutely pants on head retarded game design, but I should have expected nothing less from the Diablo 3 rejects working on WoW now.

MMO doesn't need to be balanced to be fun, in fact I think MMO needs to be unbalanced to be fun. You can't achieve interesting class diversity and flavor of the month mad discussions and eventually the sense of community and immersive environment without inbalance.

>>388593312
>i can't count
>lol trolled them so hard

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>>388604684
RNG legendaries was a way to keep everyone on the treadmill regardless of raiding.
Unless you got lucky/unlucky the first few weeks and then the whole treadmill comes crashing down.
Now it runs on a life support system of "some random is less random for others" based on when legendaries drop for specific players.
They at least admitted it needs to go for the next expansion. Regardless, the people in charge are working on that too.

>>388604868
That was only an issue for Emerald Nightmare, and early in the expansion.
Every patch since has brought increases to bad luck protection and the sheer amount of time that has passed means that if you still don't have your best in slot legendaries by now, you are either a lazy fuck who doesn't deserve that raid spot anyway, or a filthy scrub who swaps specs/classes to the flavour of the month each patch.

I wonder how many people they've lost over this legendary system. There is nothing that has ever made me want to quit more than waiting 3 weeks of grinding to get a utility legendary. Its just heart breaking and demoralizing.

>>388604868
>Someone who is the same item level as you (or even lower) who could also be worse at the game would still out DPS you if they got luckier than you with their legendary drops.

not everything is gear

player skill is a big factor

I've met guys with better gear than me and still put their DPS to shame

If your damage is bad, you just suck at the game, and that's the bottom line

>>388605014
The fix is the same then; the people who designed this legendary system need to fuckin' go before they design something even more stupid for the next expansion.

I know they're trying to turn WoW into Diablo and they need to stop. Then, fire the people who created this atrocity.

>>388605103
>haha youre just bad, that guy who has the 2 legendaries that give him a free passive 13% increase in DPS is just better than you git gud xDDD

Pretty good bait post. Here is your (You)

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>>388605110
>be game designer
>top 30 guild in vanilla
>raid leader from LK to MoP
>apply to Blizz 20x
>rejected without a callback or phone call every time
>now 8 yrs in the industry
>friend knows designer there, says sr. design managers won't hire unless they match critera based on their own: ex-MMO poopsocker (Ion), AAA pedigree of clones and failures (Wilson),
and a furry (Celestalon).
>Give up altogether trying to fix this trash
I don't think I'd enjoy hard coding everything in C++ anyways on that ancient engine. And no, I didn't tell them I post on /v/ like a fucking retard.

>>388592452
>1mil
jesus christ you're retarded.

>>388592084
>ferals go from bottom to top 10
What the fuck happened?

>>388592084
Everything is viable. Neat.

>>388605014
the idea is neat, especially for specs that swap them out for different kinds of encounters but the way they're acquired is ridiculous

I got mine in order of worst to best, slower than a lot of people in my raid group. Thank fuck spriests aren't as reliant on them as other specs.

>>388605459
Massive changes for 7.3

;^)

It also means that you'll be seeing a fuckton of the flavour of the month Tomb boomies running around as feral next week.

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>>388605605
I want to try them real bad but then I remember legendaries and titanforged

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>>388594904
congrats on playing one of the best ranged DPS classes in the game I guess?

>>388605723
Feral isn't as reliant on legendaries as some other specs.
Sure, you probably won't be able to achieve top 50 parses and it might be a bit more difficult, but it's still perfectly playable.

Don't use that as an excuse.

Is 7.3 the Timeless Isle/Tanaan Jungle patch?
Waiting for the one that shits epics at you. No way in fuck I feel like playing catch up after they shit all over MM hunter.

>>388605990
I am too bothered by that system it takes away from the fun I could be having.
I've yet to try out pet battlesband been meaning to for the last 2 years

> noxxic

And yet Affli is the best dps in many tomb fights in wowlogs.

It's as if simulations are quite useless.

WoW is trash, the new raids are trash, since late LK all they've been doing is popamole odge the big green/blue/purple/black stain on the ground and mash your buttons in 123 12345 order.
Fucking retarded game design for retards, even healers and tanks have a "rotation" now.

>>388606062
I mean, you just missed out on one of the best times to catch up with 7.2.

>>388593554
But no classes really fall back to just executing rotation, except for Balance druid which is designed to do so for steady expirience. Windwalker kind of too. The rest all depend more or less on procs, damage windows, situational usage of cooldowns, their own resource mechanics and other contextual issues. Hell, almost all classes have a priority system rather than a true rotation.

>>388606393
>MM hunter
>7.2
No thanks senpai.

>>388606431
Nearly all damage specs are 'build resource -> dump for damage' which you try to line up with procs and cooldowns.

Garbage.

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>>388605014

Please tell me he didn't fucking say that.

> 0.09% of guilds have downed Mythic Kil'Jaedan before the curve
Is this, dare I say, return of Naxx level content. Mythic ahead the curves for Trial and Nighthold were below 1% too.

>>388592084
Fury warrior at the top????
this is 7.1 isnt it?
Unless its some bullshit from the new patch today in US where they are starting to get a few new pieces of random gear or some shit.
7.2.5 right now for EU and arms is way above fury so this is odd

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>>388606690
>artificial difficulty = good content xD
>i'm cool like you now right /v/?

>>388593032
>bubblehearth
>>388593312
WAKE ME UP INSIDE
>>388593741
Fucking newfag
>hurdur some classes have better aoe, this is good and unique!

>>388592084
this in a very inaccurate graph and also likely just a patchwork style sim

>affliction lock at the bottom

they're top 5 single target dps easy along with mm hunter, frost mage, arms warr

arms outclasses fury in literally every situation, its close but still, this is just bad info, and also not a real world application

and a patch literally comes out tomorrow so this already outdated info will be even more useless

>>388606710
It's from Noxxic, OP was trolling.

>>388597085
Nope fury is shit again, unless that changes in this new patch, 7.1 fury was good
>good
and then it was shit in 7.2
>>388597368
Wrong. I know too many people who WOULD at the very least TRY a private server if blizz did it.

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>>388592084
>Frost mages doing more damage than fire and arcane mages.
>No warlock spec even in the top 10.

>>388603837
You're literally the only one who's ever given a shit about baine lmao
sorry senpai

>>388606637
No. One of the hot memes in /wowg/ was to create fake quotes from the devs in reference to both WoD and Legion

>>388606942

FULLY

>>388607782
MODELED

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>>388592084
This ranking is redundant. They even said so below the ranking. What is the most important is the raidlog ranking for the current tier.

Simcraft is NEVER used as an idea of spec balance (across the board) and should be ONLY used as a general metric for the most efficient setup for your spec.

>>388606062
>shit all over MM hunter
I assume you mean in terms of fun/gameplay, because they are literally THE best single target spec in the game right now.

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Do hardcore raiders have it good?

How much time do you have to commit and how much enjoyment are you getting out of it.

>>388608132
Literally this.
I mean, sim rankings can be an OK way of getting a very general idea of how certain specs are moving leading up to a new patch, but DURING content, WarcraftLogs literally ranks based on actual, recorded performances, not guesswork.

There is no comparison.

>>388592084
Just at a glance I can tell this chart is complete horseshit.

I mained a ret/holy pally and seconded a rogue, but I gotta admit that there's literally no reason not to play the game solely as a warlock/druid/shaman. The first has always done consistently high, easy damage, while the latter can be extremely versatile in raids. Every other class is just irrelevant and fades

>>388608358
I'm semi-hardcore, 5/9m currently, only raiding 2 nights a week for a total of 6 hours. I'm having a blast.

The absolute key is to play the spec/class you enjoy the most. I seriously cannot stress it enough. Essentially ignore rankings if you have to, and find something that you really enjoy playing. It's a huge bonus if the class has an off-spec or two that you also enjoy.
It seems like such a generic "jus b urself XD" bit of advice to give, but it's so unbelievably true. The amount of people I know who have swapped specs on a monthly basis to whatever is at/near the top of the rankings, only to quit the game out of boredom abruptly, is pretty fucking substantial.

Every single spec in the game is competitive and viable up to the very cutting edge, if played to it's fullest potential. Do not let LFR casuals or people who need to git gud tell you otherwise, and find a spec you enjoy and stick with it.

>>388603021
>still being a monk after they surgically removed all the fun from the class

>outlaw rogue

>>388608606
literally this
before I quit I was top deeps as outlaw in nighthold in my guild. Was pretty low when I started but I climbed up the more I played the class

>>388592701
Yes and it broke the tunning on every piece on content between levels 1-90.

>Survival Hunter still at the bottom

Blizzard pls bless my spec.

>>388609265
Meant for >>388592618

>>388609323
First of all
>Noxxic rankings

Secondly
>still
Survival is completely viable and competitive in Tomb. Go look at WarcraftLogs Mythic and Heroic rankings for various fights. It's even in the top 5 for some.

You seem like the guy who enjoys feeling like a special snowflake and would secretly hate it if survival became overpowered and the new flavour of the month.

>>388608607
More like
>being a monk when dh is "Monk 2.0 remastered and improved"

I still love the class and all its specs, but I knew the class is fucked back in MoP when they kept changing the mastery mechanic every other month.

>>388609556
I don't really care if it's good or bad, but it's annoying when I get declined spots because everyone thinks playing survival is just a meme.

>>388609650
Survival now is similar to how monk was for several years during and after MoP.
Noone had a fucking clue how they worked, noone had a clue about their damage ramp up mechanic etc etc. So everyone just assumed they'd rather have a conventional dps class instead of dealing with monk shenanigans.
Just wait till next xpac when people will realise surv is viable.

>>388609650
Its more likely than not if you invite a Survival player they're going to fuck it up. Its like inviting a DH tank, they either do pretty well or die in a global and theres nothing you can do about it. Why risk it over a bear? Same shit with Survival.

>>388610026
Yeah, I understand where they're coming from but it still sucks for me.

>>388601782
>standards
>nu-blizzard
>spending money on depreciated assets
???
>community
sharding in Legion and cross realm from MoP irreparably destroyed server cohesion and community.
there is no community left to fragment.
>muh 90%
3 months into legion, just about every server was on low already, and they had to reclassify what low population actually was to hide the fact.
>muh gear treadmill
without a full set of BiS legendaries for each spec, there's no point in even playing retail at the moment. not even a timegate at this point, simply a complete roadblock.

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>tfw lazy and asocial
>doing only m+0 and LFR

>affliction goes from being best by far to dead last
>demo still a clunky single target spec with a small niche in aoeing 8+ mobs yet still doesn't manage to excel at it's very narrow design
Well played blizzard

>>388610457
Me too, man. Me too...

>>388610457
I'm not even doing M+0, I want to be social and do guild stuff but I don't know.

>>388610457
Can you solo queue for 3s as a healer?

>>388596579
private servers are still going strong after years.

>>388611070
>chinks and slavs
>minmaxing autusts
>/wpsg/
>bugs and exploits
>goldsellers and bots

>get the urge to play again
>know exactly what will happen when I do
>log in, play through new stuff for a week or two
>realize I have no hope of doing serious raiding without spec perfect legendaries which are totally random
>loot system is totally fucked, have to hope an item drops, then titanforges, then rolls with a socket, then rolls good teritary stats to be worth consideration
>world quests are almost without exception the exact same quests you did (were forced to do) while leveling
>AP grind is still a thing
>lore is hot garbage
>Nomi still exists

And yet the itch is still there. Kinda funny to see unholy doing so well, is it still clunky as hell and they just buffed numbers or did they iron out the playstyle and make it a little better? Spoiler warning: I can guess the answer.

>>388608627
>is fun

>>388592084
>sims
>sims so shitty they are lower than both my toons with imperfect gear
really now, if you're going to shitpost at least put some effort into it

>>388596579
>people would realise how dull vanilla was and quit within two months

That´s why we need BC and Wrath Legacy Servers.

>>388611736
>get kicked out of mythic 5ppl
>"you're sub rogue and your DPS is lower than this DH"
>on trash

>>388611591
>realize I have no hope of doing serious raiding without spec perfect legendaries which are totally random
there are people in top 200 guilds without spec perfect legendaries
>have to hope an item drops, then titanforges, then rolls with a socket, then rolls good teritary stats to be worth consideration
sockets are a nice but insignificant bonus, minimal dps increase
tertiary stats are useless
Titanforging is completely retarded and should never have been introduced, you are right there
>AP grind
i havent grinded since they introduced the softcap. only braindead autists grind AP and they gain less than 1% advantage out of it

>>388612019
t. casual shitter
>>388611970
>doesn't have dreadlord's deceit
autokick

>>388612091
t. shit player who blames poor performance on gear

>>388612165
>the alts in a top tier guild raid without BiS legendaries while doing split/boost runs
>this must mean that they aren't mandatory in progression
just kill yourself

>>388603021
Brewmaster main tank reporting in, no complaints.


...leveling a VDH alt though cuz you never know with Blizzard, those last brm nerfs scared me even though we turned out fine.

>>388612263
here you go, only took a few mins of going through random profiles
https://www.wowprogress.com/character/eu/frostwhisper/Sierosan
7/9M with two supbar legendaries

on top of that, i find it hilarious that you're calling other people casual shitters while not having every single legendary at this point of the expansion

>>388592084
This isnt actually true for live. WWs and feral druids fucking blow to the point of not really being viable.

>>388612828
>not a single piece of mythic gear
>parses at the bottom
a warm body filling out a raid slot, probably a girl.
>legendaries strawman
very few raiders are still playing the game at this point.

>>388605381
Why not apply to a different branch then worm your way into the wew team? I'm the hots guys are desperate.

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>>388612901
>feral
Incorrect. Only at the absolute cutting edge is this true.
A feral druid performing at the top end can outperform many specs if the players are even slightly off their game (which happens often outside the cutting edge).

>>388613069
>feral isn't shit, you just need to perform better than all the other classes to have equal performance
So it's shit. If you have to play better and try harder to get the same results then you're starting from behind.

>>388613139
I never said it wasn't shit.
I don't think you understand what the term "viable" means. Either that or you're moving the goalposts.

>>388592084
Looks about right. I quit about a year ago when they were nerfing fire to shit. Which I had put all my legendary points into. Didn't feel like grinding out an entire other spec

I miss my WW monk
>tfw you'll never go into a dungeon, cast SEF, whirling dragon then spinning crane and have the top dps for the rest of the dungeon

>>388613246
If you broaden the definition of viable then everything is viable. But WW and Feral are not really on the same level as the rest, and the high end players that main these classes are forced to use an alt instead for progress.

>>388610457
The casual part of the game has become an instanced wasteland. You just do whatever for a week or even a few hours then log off without talking to anybody.

People always did this, but now you can see everything doing this and what's worse is Blizzard is still making sweeping changes that effect everyone to cater to this audience.

>>388613023
>a warm body filling out a raid slot, probably a girl.
so that person got into a top 200 guild but you couldn't?
>very few raiders are still playing the game at this point.
what the fuck are you even trying to say here

furthermore, what do you consider "serious" raiding? cause I personally know some 5/9M people who didn't have BiS legendaries until a few weeks ago

>>388613731
>evident carry that never pulls their weight
>in top 200 guild
>???
standard for mythic raiders is the lowest it's ever been, every server has lost guilds, and raiding outside of any of the high population servers just doesn't happen anymore.

>>388613342
>and the high end players that main these classes are forced to use an alt instead for progress.
How high end are you talking though? Because there are multiple feral druids performing well enough to keep their spots all over the top 100.

>and the high end players that main these classes are forced to use an alt instead for progress
I am one of said ferals and I've never been "forced" to play an alt or different spec for any progression fight so far. I have freely volunteered to go balance for Mythic Sisters, Desolate Host and Mistress because of how powerful the spec is on those, and because I also have BiS legendaries for balance.

You are right that it's virtually impossible for a feral druid main successfully apply to, and get invited to a world-leading guild as a core DPS, but if you have already earned your spot in one and shown you're one of the 20 or so people in the world that can play feral at the highest level, you will not be forced to leave or change at all.

>>388613949
>standard for mythic raiders is the lowest it's ever been
you seem a bit confused friend, you claimed that you needed BiS legendaries to do "serious raiding"
unless raiding in a top 200 guild is somehow not considered serious raiding, i just showed you evidence to the contrary

>>388613069
You've shown nothing. These rankings represent performance compared to other druids, not to all classes.

>>388614064
>know people in guild
>coast along and get gear with same or higher priority than people who actually parse
>an free carry in every sense because you know people or have a vagina
meanwhile anyone new to the guild won't be getting gear, and better be outperforming everyone else, since someone has to make up for your shitty friend dragging everyone else down.
difficult concept to wrap your head around when you haven't the faintest idea how guilds actually operate.

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>>388606690
Blizzard just breaks mythic guilds left and right because there's not enough incentive to do mythic. Titanforging means your hard earned mythic gear isn't guaranteed to being the very best item in that patch because you can just farm something better from a mythic+ dungeon. Why bash your head against the wall of Mythic when you can just faceroll heroic and get a titanforged best in slot piece instead for a fraction of the effort.

Trial came out and barely had gear better than EN so no one gave a fuck.
Nighthold mythic was a guild breaker once you got to 3/10, there was a point where 2000 guilds were stuck at 3/10 mythic. And with everything having instant kill mechanics it just sucked the life out of the "average" mythic raider. Also didn't help that because mythic EN wasn't particularly hard a lot of people who shouldn't have been doing mythic was doing it and then just got their shit pushed in by the harder mythic nighthold bosses.

Only reason to do mythic is for transmog because mythic gear have unique models, it's ten times easier to farm for titanforge bullshit to get your tier and raid trinkets and then have full mythic+ gear for rest than punishing yourself to bash your ahead against a mythic raid boss for a month.

I sure ain't going back to mythic after getting Cutting Edge on Gul'dan.

>>388614254
This happened more back in the golden era of wow. You're not dragging any dead weight past 4/9 mythic tomb, and sure as fuck ain't past 7/9. There are still only 32 guilds in the entire world that killed 9/9 mythic tomb and the world first was a month and a half ago.

>>388606690
Yes but because /v/ hates wow now it's bad.

>>388614254
>>388614430
>be a healer that has mythic emerald nightmare on farm at start of expansion
>lots of people tire out because its just week after week of not get the right legendary drop/ shit refuses to titanforge correctly WHEN IT ACTUALLY DROPS
>sitting and waiting hoping you got something good from your keystone this week
>we lose alot of people from fatigue and apathy when TOV comes out because it offers literally nothing for most of our raid group and requires too much effort
>i still got wow time from all the tokens i bought up abusing herbalism/alch early on so i try to move into a new guild
>"hurr durr probationary period even though you are outclassing all our fucking healers"

Yeah i thought legion would be like BC but i was wrong so i quit.

>>388614558
>>388606690
>>388606769
>>388614430
Maybe because there is zero fucking incentive to do them

>>388614734
What class did you play?

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>>388613954
This completely. While you can play the newest FotM and in some cases the new FotM is semi-mandatory (Rogue on mythic Avatar), you will always find a spot to raid given you're a competent player.
It's mostly about how high upon the ladder you're willing to climb and how good you actually are. Limit, the US first guild had a Windwalker on their roster for pretty much the entire tier. Picture related, git gud at one class and stick with it.

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>>388614734
Legion breeds apathy. I quit just as ToS came out and it really makes you look back and realize that the game really isn't that fun outside raiding and dungeons, but doing those constantly also takes the fun out of that. I can look back and easily see the things in Legion that got any sort of emotional reaction out of me.

Capping my artifact in 7.1.5 gave relief because I could do more random fun shit like farm old raids in peace. And getting the 7.2 challenge skin on day 1 felt amazing because it was solo content, and running around as the only fury warrior on my realm with those weapons was a nice added bonus.

Killing mythic bosses didn't even feel as good as those small things.

>>388614182
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/WvVYZbM7HkT3fdph#fight=14&type=damage-done
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/ajLkdrVKwhTmqv3z#fight=20&type=damage-done
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/g48hv3QtDfGmXWcN#fight=45&type=damage-done

>>388592084
Can you post healers?

I played WoW years ago, finished with WoD.

I play FFXIV but i'm really bored,

Is WoW worth playing? looking for honest answers and criticisms.

>>388615745
Whatever comes after Legion needs to:
1. Put a stopper on the D3-style grind. It's not what makes mmos interesting, and avoiding it initially is why WoW dumpstered EQ.
2. Cap memeforging already jesus christ. If it's a cute way for casuals to randomly get some heroic-ready gear, fine, whatever. As it stands? Ridiculous.
3. Unfuck the class design.

3's a bit complicated but there's no reason for the first two to continue.

>>388616278
>Is WoW worth playing?

What are you looking for and what's making you bored with ffxiv?

How much health does the typical WoW character have?

How long before it's World of Disgaea?

>>388616267
Healer logs are pretty meaningless most of the time, especially on clears.

>>388616338
please?

I just wanna know..

>>388616324
In the millions, statsquish soon probably.

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>>388616145
>99th percentile
>100% performance for ilvl
>highest ilvl in the group by quite a bit
>still losing to a shaman who isn't doing nearly as well, with 7 less ilvls who isn't having an ideal performance for his ilvl
Feral in a nutshell.

>>388616324
Nearing 5 million for the average raider now. They've already said next expansion will have yet another stat squish.

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>vanilla babies laughing at this difference between specs
>conveniently forget back in vanilla some specs like arms, fury ret and shadow were laughed out of existence entirely

how people skirt through life being so delusional, I will never know.

>>388616324
4-5mil for dps and healers, tanks are 7-8mil ish.

>>388616323
Well, Mostly PvE content (Though I remember the PvP in WoW being really fun).

FFXIV is boring because I'll log in, Clearl my weekly raids, cap tomes and log out, It's just linear, I don't like crafting and leveling alts, A more involved end game with more depth I guess?

>>388616475
>every raid only bringing one warlock solely for the reason to buff other classes damage

>>388616267
>>388616445
Healer logs are usually limited by the fight, not the class. You also have to see relevant charts like avg over heal and mana efficiency. Basing heal numbers off of just hps is stupid.

What is the most fun healer to play?

>>388592084
glad I stopped playing that shit 1 month after legion launched. Must be a great game for someone that invested all their artifact shit on those bottom specs.

>>388616145
>heroic

That's cute.

>>388616513
WoW PvE is in a pretty good state. the pvp is not great but better than last expansion, and it has put down a framework that could end up making pvp better than ever if they were actually competent.

>>388616537
>every raid only bringing 40 boomkins because they could kill the end bosses in 2 volleys of their spells

Yeah man, vanilla was soooo balanced. I know this was only possible for like 2 days after one of their buffs. Boomkin's aura buff stacked with itself in some weird way. It was fixed pretty quickly.

>>388601938
>Tfw played Unholy when it was garbage during EN and NH
>Switched to Frost and it's shit for ToS, will be even worse during Antorus

>>388592084
>people actually pick a class because it's good

Faggots

>>388616513
Can't really recommend pvp currently, but it's still better than ffxiv's imo. If you do, it would have to be arena because rbgs are in a disgusting state.

Do you plan to do heroic or mythic? If it's heroic, things should be neat enough but you'll probably finish and grow bored anywhere from 2-4 weeks. If it's mythic, you'll have shit to do but due to titanforging there's a lot less incentive to do it because you can get better gear from clearing heroics regularly (and being lucky). You might also find the reliance on legendaries and current class design for many specs to be extremely off putting.

But, the one undeniable strength of Legion so far has been the amount and rate of content. Not all of it is amazing, but it comes out at a very reasonable pace.

Hope this helps. Ultimately, I would say stick to ffxiv if you're part of a reliable static but if everyone is cool with taking breaks between patches then there's definitely shit to do in wew in the meantime.

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>>388616286
They should really just make crafting gear viable. Add some solo gameplay elements to getting the really good stuff and have it tied to actually having the proffession. Want the best crafted plate gear, well you have to make it yourself.
Memeforging should have capped at the ilvl of the current heroic raid and not go further than that. Would give more incentive for mythic because it actually is the very best gear.
Can't say much on class design, I only played Fury and after sucking dick for six months it finally got good in 7.1.5, just needs to unfuck the execute phase and then it's golden.

But until Blizzard learns to make wow into "We're playing Legion" and not just having it "We're playing Patch 7.3" the world content will always be fucked.

>>388617004
They're buffing frost for 7.3 so it might be decent again.

>>388617061
>its fun to be shit

>>388592084
Literally the most balanced state of WoW in terms of class balance.
But itemization is totally wonky shit with bland choices that pigeon hole you into getting legendary equipment that has rng stats.

WoW is both at it's peak to play if you wanna get into it for the balance, but at it's worst due to itemization being cut in all the wrong places and emphasized in all the wrong places.

You can't fucking win, I just wish this class balance had been around for longer. Sad to see it took them to Legion to actually get it right. Literally all classes are useful and none of them are power creeped out of their spot to where they can't do content. It's the peak time to play whatever the fuck you want in WoW.

>>388617834
It's frustrating how much Legion gets right but also gets so wrong. In many ways it's like an inverse MoP.

>>388617901
Legion is good ideas, terrible execution. It comes with Blizzard's problem of only doing things in extremes.

>>388617901
Like I said it most has to due with itemization being cut in all the wrong places and being emphasized in all the wrong places.
Homogenizing most of the way gear works like adding RNG shit like random titan and war forge shit along with ilv rng stat caps on items. These were the worst choices. Along with RNG legendary equipment which both invalidated legendary gear as a mark of great progression, but also as a mark of great gear as most of them are shit. And since they are now just a plain drop, people expect you to have them as if it's required.

However while doing this they managed to balance out all the classes to the point where the sheer difference is less than 5% marginal peak performance of classes so everyone can be relevant.

>>388617834
>balanced
>Fire Mage was up top
>Blizzard dev who plays frost decides to nerf fire into the ground so frost has top spot back
Yeah fuck off blizzdrone

>>388592084
I thought they nerfed the shit out of ww in 7.2.5. Or did they sneak in a single target buff later?

>>388618219
>Blizzard dev who plays frost
is this a ghostcrawler meme in 2017?

>>388611191
Too bad I am on mobile, retail is filled with bots to the fucking max. And implying legalized goldselling is any better.

>>388618970
retail used to be absolutely littered with bots in MoP and WoD but then they had that HUGE banwave and after that I haven't run into any botters.

>>388592170
YOU THINK YOU DO

Wow is dead. Who are these losers still playing this shit?

>>388616475
Arms was always fine. For PvP at least.

>>388617405
>Fucking over Breath spec even more
>14% damage buff
No, they're completely neutering it.

>>388608260
too bad 50% of the time is spent hardcasting aimed shot which is 60% of your dmg
man i miss chimera

>>388592084
>sub rogues
>that much damage
Jesus what has Blizzard done?
>Outlaw rogue
they added another spec, I don't see a new spec for any other class.

>>388621645
Outlaw Rogue is Combat.

>>388621645
Sub is only the sixth best spec, OP is just retarded. Outlaw isn't new, it's just renamed Combat (except unlike Combat, Outlaw is fucking terrible and is worse than both other specs for both ST and AoE).

How many expansions has fury been top for now?

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>>388603837

>baine story removed because alliance players bitched about having to help tauren
>meanwhile horde have to help night elves in THREE fucking zones
>and draenei in the main storyline of the expansion

>gets flattened easier than a fly if you happen to drop mitigation for half a second and aren't 50 ilvls overgeared

Why does Blizzard hate prot pallies so much?

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>>388592452
>1mil
nigga what?
do you have dyscalculia?

>>388623295

>Caring about horde shitters.
>laughingwhores.jpg

>>388620713
>>No, they're completely neutering it.
Thanks fucking GOD people understand the problem.

Im tired of gildmates saying "but frost gets buffed!", no, no it doesnt, BoS gets a damage buff, so its still the number one skill to use, while having shitty resource generation ON TOP of nerfing koltiras will and HRW AND shitty run fights in ToS, so they are STILL in the SAME FUCKING SPOT as before.

They will likely change a lot of things after the patch. IDK why people bother speculating before it even goes live.

>>388626592
And don't forget they'll ruin it all even more with 7.3.5 when the next raid is out.

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>>388598516
>>388592170
They make the majority of their money through box sales, not subscription fees. Legacy servers will never happen for this simple reason alone.

>>388602130

EverQuest isn't trying to sell you new expansions, goy. Seriously it's easy for a zombie MMO like that to offer legacy content.

>>388592084
>being a warlock is suffering
Just like I remember it.
Except post-crunch numbers are somehow bigger than pre-crunch.

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>>388592084
>fire mage
>18

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here's the actual stats from logs not whatever sim bullshit is in op.

>>388627861
They make most of their money through microtransactions, like it's always been.

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>>388592084

>he isn't maining a based Unholy Death Knight

defend this right now

>>388628147

Shadow Priests are inflated in these statistics because players use STM in farm bosses. It does not reflect the dps excited in learning nights

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For a board whose average user claims to have quit this game years ago, it still manages to have threads about it pretty regularly.

>>388628273
shadow priests are top tier without surrender on plenty of bosses

>>388628374
Average user is also 14 years old.

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>can't play Argus 7.3 patch until 6 tonight

what do I do in the meantime?

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>>388617901
>In many ways it's like an inverse MoP.
In the sense that MoP had a lot of problems but was still an immensely enjoyable expansion, whereas Legion has only a few problems but they completely ruin the game?

>>388628470
When it finally comes back up it'll be unstable. Just do something else today. Read a book. Ride your bike. Play a different game.

>>388628470
i'm sure 99% of the patch is time gated anyway

i always liked warlock in pvp, too bad wow pvp is dead outside bg and arenas

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>>388628273
You can filter and look at rankings by spec and fight, and you will find that S2M is extremely under-represented to the point it can be safely considered statistically irrelevant. If there's only a handful of S2M in the top 100 then it's more likely people speccing S2M are dragging the average DOWN rather than inflating it, given that S2M is much easier to fuck up than use properly and that there's over 24,000 parses recorded with only a dozen S2M in the top 100.

So in other words, no. You're full of shit. Pic related.

>>388628714

it is but it's better this time

7.2 was time gated over 3 months, this one is time gated over 3 weeks

>>388592170
>>388594078
Never going to happen because that would mean Blizzard admits that they fucked up WoW

>want to play Spriest
>sucks in AoE fights and any fight that doesn't last like 3 mins long minimum

What is the most fun healer to play as someone who never played healer before?

>>388628507
In that way and more.

>>388628853
Still disgusts me how heavily timegated 7.2 was. They stretched two weeks of content over three months. That's what ultimately got me to quit Legion.

I guess I never asked, can I be an actual earthmancer in this shitty game?

>>388628931
There isn't a single fight in Legion that has been shorter than 3 minutes when it's current content. Some of the EN bosses were close, but everything beyond that has been longer, with most bosses pushing closer to 7 minutes on average. Currently in Tomb, Goroth is the fastest boss and the quickest kills for him on mythic are close to 4 minutes.

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>Fun as Fuck Tier
Unholy
Fury
Enhance
Blood
Prot Warrior
Fire
Arcane
Shadow

>MEDIOCRE tier
Arms
Retribution
Windwalker
Havoc
Prot Pally
Guardian
Brewmaster
Frost Mage
Destruction
Balance

>Boring Trash Tier
Survival
Demonology
Affliction

>Jury's Out Tier
Frost DKs
Feral Druids

>>388629118
I was more having problems with solo content and lower M+ dungeons.

>>388629001
Mistweaver is tons of fun and surprisingly good.
Downside being you need completely different sets of gear for raids and dungeons. Crit/Vers for raids, Haste/Mastery for dungeons.

>>388628853
literally what reason is there to timegate this stuff

>>388629034

7.2 was honestly fucking trash, I have no idea how they hyped that patch so much. The quality of quests in the Broken Shore is pretty bad.

I've played Argus on the PTR and it's thankfully much better, there is an actual story to be told aside from "WE ATTACK LEGION DURR" this time.

>>388629190
Literally just go Holy and spam Holy Nova.

>>388629184
only played balance and rogue in legion

>balance
>fast as fuck boi
>absolutely static rotation with no room for creativity

>sub rogue
>slow as ever and pooling is still a thing
>somehow manages to have depth despite being a 5 button spec

>>388629309
To be fair, there better be a lot of everything on Argus. That shithole has to keep the playerbase entertained until the next expansion.

>>388629184
Where's Vengeance?

>>388592084
that isn't a bad disparity. are you complaining?

>>388629772

not neocessarily, Ion Hazzikostas the Game Director said we should expect 1-2 more small story patches

http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/2287005-Ion-quot-Expect-a-small-story-patch-or-two-with-varied-content-after-Antorus-quot

>>388629589
Sub was reworked and it's currently the fastest spec in the game. 7.1 Sub was ~35 APM, current Sub is between 55 and 65 APM depending on gear.

It's also fun as fuck. Shadow Dance was changed to have 2 charges, and the regen per combo point spent was reduced, also Symbols was given a 30 second cooldown. In exchange, Symbols grants 40 energy instead of costing 30, and you can talent into a 30% damage buff during Shadow Dance. Also Nightblade gives a 15% damage bonus to the target it's on.
Instead of being static now like it was, it revolves around lining up Shadow Dance, Symbols, and Finality: Eviscerate with Death From Above.

It's fantastic in the way that only happens when Blizzard makes something good by accident. My biggest DFA crits are close to 20m. It also manages to be high APM without being spammy. It's a 10/10 spec right now.

>>388629875
I'll believe Ion Holocaustus when I see it, but if there's one thing Legion has done right it's provide content.

>>388630039

if only game design wasn't in the gutter

legendaries suck dick, and pvp development has been the worst of all time this expansion

at least holinka is gone

>>388630125
Yeah, it's really bad. Such a weird situation with WoW where I can say "this game would be fantastic if it were not for less than 5 major issues poisoning it."

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>>388592084
Surprise surprise, not every class is a DPS class, who would've funked it, ay?

>>388629184
>arcane
>fun
that's a laugh. mess up one part of your rotation and you're fucked pretty much the rest of the fight.

>>388630470
>not every class is a DPS class
Apparently the hybrids more so than pure DPS classes.
Removing hybrid tax was a mistake.

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I have the biggest urge ever to resub, but I feel like I will resub, play for 2 days and never log back in and feel like and idiot for spending 12€. What do, /v/? Will there even be anything to do in 7.3? From what I've heard it's gonna literally be just a new zone filled with more world quests.

>>388631718
Are you an anti-social sperglord who refuses to talk to people and won't ever bother joining a guild and raiding?

>>388631718

there are 3 new zones available, 1 of them immediately, 2 in a couple weeks

there are story quests, world quests, a new dungeon, a new gearing mechanic (nether crucible), and the eventual raid

legion is still largely the same stuff, if you want to pve, you gear up in dungeons, then do mythic+, world quests, and raiding

if you want to pvp, you do bgs to gear up a bit, then do 2v2, 3v3, and rated bgs to fill your weekly cap for better gear, the ilvl increasing depending on last week's rating you achieved for each bracket, world pvp is a mess so don't bother

my advice - if you doubt yourself so much, don't resub, only if you have a plan that you know you'll have fun doing