>Creation Club Let me know your thoughts.

>>388569029
Elianora is working for Bethesda now. Good for her also I can finally support her with money.

>>388569029
whats the USD on 100 credits?

I've always wanted to pay for the body and sex mods. Now I finally can. Its almost like buying a prostitute, so thrilling.

>>388569585

$10 per credit.

>>388569585
I think $1 USD = 100 credits
I could be wrong

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>>388569029
WTF? 500 credits?
Hellfire PA was released on Nexus lol

>>388569029
Does it let me get big tiddy mods and bod editors on PS4?

If not I don't give a shit

i dont believe mods should be bought with actual currency, however if a user so wishes to donate to a mod creator that's awesome
modding has always been more of a hobby and knowing that content creators would sell out to such a shitty company is sad

>>388569929

That is not authorized content. Do not download.

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>>388569029
>$4 US dollars for a single poorly modeled rifle with no new animations

>>388569929
yes but this way you get an opportunity to pay for it
isnt that GREAT?!

>>388569981
>have a hobby
>suddenly have the option to make money while doing your hobby

I'm not condoning paid mods but I don't blame creators for taking the opportunity to get paid for their work.

>>388569929
They are not the same.
Unoctium and DogtoothCG made the whole PA from scratch and they but the one on the Creation Club looks like a direct port from FO3.

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So, how long till this stuff gets ported to Nexus?

>>388569029
I don't know why people blame Bethesda.
They only offer money for mods but the modders have to contact Bethesda in order to begin working with them.
Some modders are greedy.
This is not pay mods, some good modders doesn't want money for their awesome work but others want to sell it, now they have the option.

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I could never justify paying for a different color skin of an in game asset, it's just stupid.
With how crazy people have been for getting items and skins in games like csgo overwatch and R6 I understand why they're doing it. Hopefully people don't use this unless its a "pay what you want" type deal, in which case i'm all for it.

>Bethesda offers money to people that work harder than anyone here
>said people used to make 2 dollars a week from a mod with over 200k downloads
>now we get better mods at a 2$ price
>they are somehow the bad guys for supporting the life force of their shitty games
You guys are fucking retards. Most of these are available for free anyways. Poorfags out.

>>388569029
>Mod Piracy - Reddit
Done.

>>388570958
Hellfire Armor is already on Nexus.
So is Chinese Stealth Suit and Gauss Rifle.

>>388572024
>texture swaping is a real job
I can't wait for the world to crash.

>>388571896
The difference is those are MP games with huge following.
This won't work for SP game like Fallout 4, where free mods give you better stuff than paid feces.

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>>388569029
>5 dollars for an armor skin
lol no

>>388570219
They've always been able to get money from donations, and they don't have to give Bethesda a cut of donations. If you really want to support mod creators, then donate.

>>388573254
2 sides of a coin.
Some people spend 20k hours to end up getting paid 10 dollars, while some just steal assets and call it a day.

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>>388569029
>FO4 and SE Skyrim

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>>388569029
>paying for skins in a single player game

>>388573543
How about getting a real job.
Being a modder as a job is a much of a job as Let's Player.
Once that market crashes, which it will eventually, yo have to find a way to feed yourself in a world that won't support your texture swap skills or screaming in to mic.

Has the mod community started cannibalizing itself like last time?

How much do the horse cock mods cost?

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>>388573895
100 points is 1dollero.
So armor is 5dolleros.
5burgers for a mod that is free on Nexus.

>>388573882

No, the drama from last time already caused that. There's nothing left to cannibalize.

What a great deal! I can't wait to purchase these high quality mods from the creation club!

>>388569472
Goddamn she was an uppity cunt. Some shit in her fallout 4 dwelling was kinda shit, guy asks her if he can make a patch that removes bad thing . She can't take any criticism and tells him no, that it's her vision and if he attempts to, she'll have it removed. Fuck her

>>388569029
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=749&v=ciSAyylZjfM

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>>388573957
>console players will buy them anyway

>>388569029
That's the ugliest fucking armour I've ever seen. Anyone who actually pays for a Pip-Boy recolour is probably a retard. Might consider something substantial like new landmasses or big quests.

I regret not upgrading my PC and getting a PS4 instead

>>388569029
Jews. Good news though, Bethesda know children are dumb with their parent's money. Oh wait, that isn't good for us.

>>388574696
You mean PS4Players.
Cuz Xnobodycares bois had mod since F4 release.
PS4 has only Creation Club.

>>388569029
I think it's great. I plan on pre-ordering as many creations as possible.

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>>388570263
The chinese stealth suit is also on the creation club and nexus, so we'll the ncr ranger armor?
Those mods are free on PC and XONE but they are not avaliable on PS4. So only the Sonigg3rs gonna pay for it.

>>388569029
>you lived long enough to have to pirate mods

>>388575068
We live in a cyberpunk dystopian future, except there is no cool shit.
Truly the worst of all possible worlds.

Okey seriously Todd you are taking this too far. This is fucking worse than horse armor, at least that was original work and it was half the price of that hellfire armor, jesus fucking christ, I'm losing what little hope I had in beth, tes6 will never come out and when it does it's going to SUCK

>>388569929
Thanks for notifying us, we'll make sure the Nexus is shut down next month.

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>>388573723
literally this, seriously what the fuck, we truly live in the worst possible timeline

So, to anyone actually defending this, tell me why I should have to pay for mods when they've always been free and Bethesda cannot guarantee that they'll be high quality. I will instantly ignore you if you ever even dare to imply that they'll moderate and ensure compatibility and stability. they can't even do that with their own game.

>>388572024
>not wanting to support shitty business practices and throwing money away for basically nothing in return makes you a poorfag

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>>388569029
Seeing something that's always been community driven and free of corporate greed monetized like this makes me fucking sick

>>388569029
>pip boy paint job swamp cammo
PAYING FOR FUCKING SKINS

>>388575480
To protect Todd's smile

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>>388575000
Don't get me wrong but... to be honest the Creation Club version looks better.

>>388575523
Ever heard of CSGO?

>>388575480
Money drives quality content.

>>388575610
A piece of crap esport that's only inhabited by children? Please, tell me more.

>>388575610
Indeed. This is the end result of a long line of bullshit that people have been more than happy to slurp up.
This is the future you wanted. You could have stopped this.

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>>388569029
>Creation club won't be paid mods!
>You just have to buy the items with credits!
>And you purchase credits with money!

>>388575718
Do you actually belive that bullshit?

>>388573509
This. Just like with musical artists the best way to do shit is directly support them by buying tickets to shows and shit. Albums go mostly to cocksuckers like the RIAA.

>>388575718
Fallout 4 must be really shit then because the game is apparently worth as much money as about 5-10 little mods.

>>388575718
Then explain why companies like sony make record profits off of PSN +, but they constantly lose people's credentials and suffer hacker attacks every 5 minutes.

>>388575718
If there was something actually expansion worthy I'd believe it
But right now it's paying for skins.

Even fucking ubisoft lets people unlock cheap reskin crap in their games by getting achievements. How is bethesda officially worse than ubisoft now?

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>>388569029
just stop being a poorfag

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>>388569029
CALLING IT SOMETHING ELSE WON'T CHANGE THE FACT THAT THOSE ARE STILL PAID MODS

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>>388575718

>bethesda not just hiring the talented creators
yeah keep supporting this faggot company.

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>>388569029
>Paying for skins
>Paying for skins in a console game
>Paying for skins in a console game that's single player only
>Paying for skins in a console game that's single player only that you can easily pirate on PC

>>388576021
not fault of bethesda but zenimax
zenimax going full jew is nothing new

>>388576107
No. Fuck this 'it's the publisher not the developer' bullshit. Fuck it with a handaxe. Sideways.
And fuck you especially.

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>>388575601
Are you sure Todd?

REVIEW BOMB FALLOUT 4
>REVIEW BOMB FALLOUT 4
REVIEW BOMB FALLOUT 4
>REVIEW BOMB FALLOUT 4
REVIEW BOMB FALLOUT 4
>REVIEW BOMB FALLOUT 4
REVIEW BOMB FALLOUT 4
>REVIEW BOMB FALLOUT 4
REVIEW BOMB FALLOUT 4
>REVIEW BOMB FALLOUT 4
REVIEW BOMB FALLOUT 4
>REVIEW BOMB FALLOUT 4

>>388575610
im pretty sure that you can sell those in the market

>>388576229
wow rude famfamilo
still zenimax fault
doesn't change the fact bethesda is a fucking shit studio and how they are still alive is beyond me

>>388575718
Passion drives quality content. Money drives making things that sell well.

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>>388575480
>>388575523
>>388575760
>>388575785
>retards pay for gacha bullshit like FEH or FGO
>retards pay for bullshit "DLC" like horse armor or a single weapon / armor
>retards pay for "time saver" / "convenience" purchases in single player games like those animus points in AC games, mother base coins in MGSV, etc and in the future they will pay for shit in Shadow of War
>retards pay for microtransaction bullshit even in games like CoD
>over 50% of activision's revenue in the past 3-4 years is from microtransactions
>people are spending more money on microtransactions than actual games
>whales

I mean I could be mad but I'm just fucking numb to it at this point, the dumbasses who keep buying this shit have ruined it for everybody now and there's no going back from this so buckle up because it's only gonna get worse from here

>>388576368
Let's agree to disagree. They're both greedy pricks, and if you own Fallout 4, I'd review bomb it.

>$1 = Approx. 100 credits
>$5 for fucking one set of power armor

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>>388569472
She made some nice house mods, but that's basically all I remember other than her being a complete bitch.

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So let me get this straight:
>XBots/PCbros can get the same models on the Creation Club for free because they have less mod restrictions
>Sonybros can't get the same models because Sony won't allow custom script mods
>Sony will allow custom script mods so long as they are Official Bethesda Creation Club Items™
Holy fuck this is hilarious, I feel bad for sony-ponies at this point. Your asian overlords fuck you in the ass and don't let you have fun like Xbots can - then Bethesda comes in to fuck your mouth just because they can. Fallout 4 on PS4 is truly the fucking worst.

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What's going on here?

>>388576473
You are implying that I haven't done that already.
>inb4 owning F4
Dad bought it for me, he doesn't know jack shit bout video games.

>>388575718
Fuck off Gabe

>>388576732
Give them a negative review for me if you can. I haven't given Bethesda money in like a decade. I don't even own Fallout or Skyrim.

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>>388574496
Sounds like that Skyrim open cities faggot who wouldn't let people edit out his ugly ass Oblivion gates he added everywhere

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>>388569029
WHO CAN SAY WHERE THE ROAD GOES.

>>388575179

smartphones are pretty cool shit, but of course they spy on you, tracking your realtime location, where you go every day, all your internet history, your email and text messages, phonecalls, etc.

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>>388576654
everybody is talking about how they should buy mods and skyrim for the switch

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>Pay $60 ticket to enter Amusement park
>Only 3 attractions are made from the park owners, the rest are made from ameture teams using shoddy tools and equipment
>You also have to buy tickets for the individual rides, the $60 at the front was just an entrance fee

Who in their right mind would support this? Yeah, the modders get paid but Bethesda gets a fat cut for "hosting" the mods, you'd probably make more with just a Paypal or Patreon for donations and still have support from fans for having some integrity.

>>388576654
We're just discussing the massive success that is Fallout™4.

>>388576925
It's ok we'll soon be having AIs track us everywhere we go using security cameras so might as well start now

>>388576860
I've done it familini, for all of us.

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>>388577028
Very nice.

>>388576961
I have to say they deserve money for their hard work, wouldn't you agree too anon?

You need to support the industry, 6 gorillion hours went into that modelling and texturing that armor. The hardworking folk at Bethesda put hundreds of assets into the game for only $60, the least you could do is pay less than the cost of a McDonalds meal for a suit of armor you'll never see during the gameplay of this FPS-RPG.

>>388576868

Arthmoor. Yes he's a massive fag.

/modpiracy is finally relevant again

>>388576868
Jesus fuck that looks awful. The guy couldn't even be bothered to make a proper texture and UV map for it, he just slapped some shitty rock texture all over it. How can he think that looks good? The ones from Oblivion look better for fucks sake.

>>388577104
I agree completely and utterly anon.

>>388569029
so where are the mods?

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>>388577089
i agree they are works of art

So are Nexus mods banned now or something? Aside from being a person who wants to "support" their modders, why the fuck would someone pay for things that are currently free?

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>>388575791
What bullshit about it. State an argument you fucking brainlet, don't waste posting privileges on such a worthless statement
>>388575802
Doesn't make any sense. Kill yourself
>>388576780
Fuck off brainlet.

I'm sick of this shitty attitude. You think rapid shitposting a samefagging is good enough to shut down an actual idea? The poster you replied to was correct and your cringy shitpost. you are entitled that's all. The world owes you nothing and if someone wants to be paid for his shitn no matter the quality, it's his right.

>>388577146
Is relevant even now at least for me. In that place I found some Gunetwork mods and SkyrimGTX mods.
Also fuck SkyrimGTX.

>>388577025
>Pay $60 to enter the amusement park
>Xbox Pass customers are allowed onto the roller coaster because Microsoft allowed them
>Playstation Pass customers aren't allowed onto the roller coast because Sony told them no
>Bethesda sees Playstation Pass customers aren't allowed on the roller coaster, so they offer them another $5 ticket to ride the roller coaster which Sony approves of
>Playstation Pass customers have to buy the $5 ticket or they can't ride the roller coaster at all, while Xbox Pass customers don't have to buy the ticket to ride the roller coaster

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>>388577262
And art, that has a value that cannot be written. Wouldn't you agree? Thus i am amazed at the cheap price, because every amount is really too low in my honest to god opinion

>>388577262
lemmaskyousummin, /v/

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>>388577285
>don't waste posting privileges
I post whatever I want faggot, try to stop me.
>state an argument
>tells the guy to kill himself for stating an argument
LOL HYPOCRITICAL FAGGOT

>>388577373
Todd, let's be real here. The only kind of pirate you could be is a butt pirate.

>>388575610
Singleplayer game=/= multiplayer

>>388577285
>you are entitled that's all
It's funny how this entire industry uses this word wrongly.

>>388577285
You don't have an argument you corporate apologist. Taking something that was free and putting a paywall infront of it is the most scummy move you can make. You're not improving it, making it convenient, or anything that would even attempt to justify the price.

tl;dr take a long walk off a short cliff pal.

>>388569029
how the fuck is this suddenly viewed in a good light is an obvious testament to the amount of dick sucking Bethesda gets and is probably the reason why their userbase goes above and beyond to buy Skyrim for the upteenth time to prove their gamer cred.

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>>388577449
Uhm, what did you mean by this? Eh pirating is always wrong

>>388574561
>The paid mods are all horse armor, just like everyone warned they would be
>The whole system is blatantly anti-consumer, just like everyone warned it would be
>Gopher is somehow surprised
Paid mods are not going to lead to a wave of new Enderals being made that wouldn't have been made if people couldn't make money off of them. People who need money to sign on for a project like that won't do it for the tiny cut they'd get, and people who don't need money will post the mod on the Nexus for free on principle. If you can get a big enough team together to make a huge quest mod that people will pay a significant amount of money for, you're better off forming an indie studio and making your own game, because then you can keep all the profits.

And I love this quote:
"This doesn't feel like a serious effort to get third-party content that the fanbase will enjoy."

That's because it fucking isn't, and you're a fool if you think otherwise. This was always about money and nothing else.

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>>388577373
as an officer of quality control i can say that you get top notch quality games from bethesda and only bethesda
captcha: buy my games

>any form of paid mods

No Todd

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>>388577636
Agreed fellow officer. Just today,this photo was taken of me when i did our routine control checking if people owned the quality games provided by bethesda. Can you believe my outrage when i found out that someone pirated a game? I trust you have caught people in your district too before fellow officer?

>>388575256
At least with horse armor, they arguably had an excuse in that DLC was a new thing and people were still trying to figure it out. They have no such excuse now.

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>>388577817
It's only paid if you think of it that way. Think of it as supported mods.

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>>388577426
What A worthless post for a worthless life. I wouldn't bother breathing if I was you, let alone airing your thoughtless ideas. It only makes you look more like a fool
>>388577493
>make something
>ask to be paid
>fuel the economy
It's not scummy, it's business. You can try Venezuela if you don't want to live in a world with capitalism you self entitled and financially inept manchild.

If you think being paid for your work is "scummy" by your definitions then artists and architects don't live. If You want to live by your definitions why even ask to be paid for your work whatever it is that you do, isn't it scummy to expect anything when it can be for free? :^)

>>388577493
Kill yourself you stupid underage communist

>you will never play a new someguy mod
Is there a greater pain in life?

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>>388575718
Fuck off, Gabe. You're not fooling anyone.

>>388577975
Don't worry, it's only piracy if you think of it that way. Instead, think of it as a value add.

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>>388578138
Don't worry, it's not being killed if you think of it that way. Instead, think of it as a ascension to another plane of existence!

>>388578118
How do we go from
>"Piracy is almost always a service problem and not a pricing problem."
to
>"Actually money is how the community steers work."

>>388576021
>bethesda not just hiring the talented creators
Of course not. Then they'd actually have to pay them a decent wage.

>>388578003
What exactly do you gain from this? I doubt daddy Todd cares about your little charade, faggot.

>>388578115
Why did he stop? Was he burned out or did fallout 4 kill him?

>>388578003
>>388578087
>make something
>ask to be paid
IT'S NOT YOUR WORK. Half the crap on the creation club is literally ripped from nexus and reskinned. Something Bethesda promised wouldn't happen. They didn't work on it, they don't deserve the money. If they want money, they can make their own mods. But they shouldn't be surprised if it ends up on nexus anyway to download for free. You know why? Because you made a crappy game in the first place, to the point where it needed mods just so it wouldn't crash every 5 seconds. My rights supercede all corporate interests, and if I find something unfair, I bypass it.

>>388578284
literally billions of dollars

>>388569029

>Hellfire is out

WHY WASNT I TOLD

>>388576412
This.

>>388577623
>This was always about money and nothing else.

How naive can people be to think otherwise?

>too expensive
>insignificant mods

Paying 5$ for an armor is retarded

Maybe paying 5$ for a mod that adds a new questline/locatin/armor & weapons/creatures at once would be worth 5$
What will happen to nexus now? Will these rats take their stuff down from there?

>>388576868
>>388577145
It didn't even make sense from a lore perspective, because Oblivion gates disintegrate when they close.

>>388578501
People believe authority by default. There were actually studies done about this, with people torturing people to death because they were ordered to.
Yes, that means they view Todd as authority. God help us all.

Is there any reason for a modder to go through creation club instead of something like patreon to receive money from people who want to support them? Like is Bethesda offering anything other than like a platform to post their mods and have them showcased?

>>388578871
Greed

>>388578732
>Yes, that means they view Todd as authority. God help us all.
Actually, they believe Pete Hines as authority since that motherfucker was the one who announced this thing in the first place. Some spineless, pathetic excuses for human beings view Pete "No attention span for game dialogue" Hines as authority. Jesus fuck.

>>388578871
>pledge $5 a month for version 0.00001b of my mod

Todd is saving you from this.

>>388578641
>What will happen to nexus now?
Unlikely. Some stuff will probably get stolen to be uploaded to Paid Mods Club but most of the good shit on the Nexus are made by people who are against paid mods, so there's no danger. Just sit back and enjoy watching this shit crash and burn again.

>>388578871
Bigger audience I guess? I imagine this creation club will be shoved in peoples faces at every opportunity rather than relying on someone actually searching for your shit. So more exposure to the playerbase for you mod

>>388578871

Because Bethesda is offering them guaranteed money instead of money based on the goodwill of others.

And modders don't make that much from donations. Maybe some more from Patreon, but it's not consistent. Many of them feel that they should be able to take on modding as a job.

Bethasda is the BEST game company out there now, as Skyrim showed us but this paid mod faggotry is disappointing and the modders who are down with this are fucking scum

>>388572024
>they are somehow the bad guys for supporting the life force of their shitty games
They're not supporting modders dumbass, you are while Bethesda is getting a cut for doing nothing. In fact you're paying for the extra value that's being added to their games, when logically Bethesda should be paying for that.

>>388579294
I feel i should be able to take on pooping as a job. When will based gaben come to my resuce?

>>388579294
Modding is not a fucking job, you dont ask money from your mom when you drive her to the store because you are not a taxi driver, modders shouldnt ask money for their shit because they are not developers

>>388579294
You mean money based on the goodwill of Bethesda since they're only getting a smaller percentage of the base price. Beth takes the major cut.

So when Bethesda said you couldn't take already made content and upload it to the website, they were lying out of their ass, weren't they?

>>388569029
Its gonna kill the bethesda modding community and then every community is gonna follow.

They finally did it, they monetized mods and are gonna kill the modding scene.
Its fucking over, PC no longer has anything over consoles, it fucking hurts man.

Pirates are fucked, regular paying consumers are fucked.

Bethesda has done it again, they killed something great.

ON THE BRIGHT SIDE. Those mods have to be stable and work together so no more chasing for hours to check what the fuck is crashing your game every 10 minutes if you install one too many mods.

>>388579294
>Many of them feel that they should be able to take on modding as a job.
Yeah and I'm sure that they'll be able to once they are in the likes of Bethesda's pocket. Wouldn't be like a big company to take advantage of a small time partner now would it?

>>388578003
>fuel the economy

What economy? Of the mod market? Where are the laws regulating it? Are you out of your mind or you're just enjoying making contrarian posts with smug anime girl pictures attached, pretending that you know what you're talking about when in fact you don't? What Bethesda is doing is equivalent to the river chain tolls.

>>388578871
Exposure. Having your mod viewable by everyone who opens the game vs. the chance that someone will see your patreon in your Nexus mod page and be willing to subscribe to it.

>>388575718
Fuck off, Gabe

>>388578871
>Is there any reason for a modder to go through creation club instead of something like patreon to receive money from people who want to support them?
No.

>Like is Bethesda offering anything other than like a platform to post their mods and have them showcased?
Also no.

>>388575718
You know it's funny, seems like the more money that gets invested in gaming the worse the content has been getting over the years

>>388573723
as opposed to multiplayer? what's the difference, that you're conditioned for one but not the other?

lol stupid goy

>>388578871
>patreon
Bethesda doesn't allow that and hits them C&D's

>>388579845
It's important that you be able to get the cosmetics without paying money, and sell them the same way. This wouldn't be a problem in the slightest if you could get these mods through in-game currency. I would dislike it promoting grinding, but it's a more tolerable alternative.

>>388579845
As opposed to one where someone else can see them.

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>>388579524
>>388579438
It's their content they can do whatever they want with it. And of they put up a paywall who are you to say they are stupid when they are the ones getting paid for their talent/skill.

You're just fox and the grapes at this point and you sound like manchildren repeating the same argument.

>>388579969
Not true.

>>388579969

It's allowed, you just can't say "pay me to make mods."

>>388579608
>ON THE BRIGHT SIDE. Those mods have to be stable and work together...
unfortunately it wont turn out like that

>>388579969
You're confusing Patreon with Kickstarter. They don't work the same way.

>>388579524
>you're not allowed to make money doing this for a living because I said so

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>>388575332

>>388580026
You sound like a woman.

>>388573543
But that's exactly the problem, we are going to see a metric shit-ton of weapon skins that end up shat out by lazy modders thus making it harder to find mods that people actually want.
You also can't have any mods based on a third party so no more meme mods.

>>388577285
All me

>>388580256
And let's not forget that they're disabling all non-CC mods, since they can't risk people playing for free.

>>388580236
>you sound like a woman because I don't think that creating content should be a job

>>388579608
>Those mods have to be stable and work together
Come on this is Bethesda we are talking about they can't even get their own games to run stably on vanilla settings never mind with mods. If you think this will be anymore than bethesda throwing links on a store front I think you'll be disappointed

>>388579641
I was referring to the whole of the economy.

You're basically implying that nobody has the right to request payment for they work.
>inb4 I shit in a box can i get paid?
If someone is making money then they are in the right. What argument do you have to support the idea of making all content free?
Calling someone a scumbag is just ad hominem. It means nothing
Saying it's scummy practice is stupid because demanding someone either work for free or not work at all is vindictive.
They make the content and it's virtually their oc as ling as it is trade marked and isn't copy right (ie posting ripped armour from another game)

>>388578003
Too much anime destroys your coco

>>388580026
sure corporate cuck, pay verizon for the air you breath in too you commie

>>388580236
You have no argument and worst of all you sound like a 3rd generation communist. ie a manchild NEET who doesn't understand the value if money and doesn't want to pay someone for entertainment.

>>388580517
>you're a corporate cuck because I find something wrong with something that someone is making money on

>>388580425
The problem is that you're taking something that was free and putting a paywall infront of it. Worse, you're ripping off mods that continue to be free, then you send lawyer lapdogs to shut down the free content, funneling people into paying for your crap. That's morally disgusting and even legally questionable. Bethesda promised that all content on the CC would be original and not stolen, yet 5 seconds in everything is already being ripped from Nexus.

Defend that, I dare you.

>>388580154
>make money for a living by mods

Lolz

>>388580517
>corporate cuck
>commie
Those are mutually exclusive, anon.

>>388569029
Why are people not spamming the fuck out of this with nothing or dildo mods for 100000 credits to sink it and tell Bethesda to fuck off?

Are you faggots really so much more cucked today than when the last Paid Mods shitshow happened?

>>388580465

Never reply to dumb anime posters.

>>388580132
>>388580053
Show me a patreon that explicitly says they're making skyrim/fallout mods.
They have to dodge it using loopholes like
>>388580095

>>388580632
you laugh but people making loads of money on this shit making more than you do

>>388580636
Im sorry that you are retarded and cant understand sentences


>>388580709
>loads of money

Yeah 10 cents per month lol

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>>388580517
>calls me the commie
> he wants others to work and provide things for free "out of principle" and will call someone a scumbag for request9ng payment for their work

Your shits all backwards, please just shut the fuck up kid. Seriously.

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>>388569029
Looks like Bethesda is getting away with their paid mods scheme this time.

>there are faggots who unironically support this


No wonder gaming is about ripping players off to the maximum when faggots praise them for doing it

>>388575718
You are the same as those people who believes in that "invisible hand" bullshit capitalism try to shove us down.

>>388569029
none of these are sex mods

So is it impossible to earn bethesda bucks in game? do you HAVE to spend real cash?

>>388580614
I'm not defending what Bethesda is doing

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looks like shit

>>388580638

That's not how the site operates.

You must apply to the CC and show your previous work on mods. If you're accepted, Bethesda dictates and approves of the content you create afterwards.

>>388577329
>pc knows a backdoor in and is friends with the ride manager, and get to ride for free

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What, no rips yet?

>make a mod
>charge money for it
>/v/ flips the fuck out REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>388580832
Remember when someone was nice and held the door for you? Why didnt you pay him for his work you rat

>>388580945
>earn bethesda bucks in game
Hahahahaha
Now that I'm done having my laugh, of course not. It would be too easy to cheat it, or they'd have to give out so little that it might as well be paid only.

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>>388569029

>Pay for skins that no-one else can see

At lest Tf2 could feed peoples egos why the fuck would you spend money on that trash.

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>>388580425
>You're basically implying that nobody has the right to request payment for they work.

Trying to imagine things I've "basically implied" will not make you any more right. They can request payment for their work, but if their designs are not 100% original they are forbidden to do so because of how the copyright law works.

>If someone is making money then they are in the right.

Drug dealers and organized crime based around money laundering must be the most right people of them all.

>What argument do you have to support the idea of making all content free?

There's a difference between "let's make it free" and "it used to be free and then it stopped". Communities and their self regulating capability differ dramatically between the two.

>Calling someone a scumbag

I never did such a thing

>They make the content and it's virtually their oc as ling as it is trade marked and isn't copy right (ie posting ripped armour from another game)

See point one of the argument. Majority of mods introduce copyrighted content from other media, be it games, movies or anime. It could be done without repercussions only because it was distributed for free.

>>388569029

I can't believe they started it after that huge negative backlash they got at E3. Guess they really are confident in their milking of fools; take a something collaborative, fun, and free, and ruin it for some quick pocket cash! Killing the golden goose, really.

>>388580683
Google "Skyrim mod patreon". See the first results.

>>388579419
>Bethesda is getting a cut for doing nothing.
What were they doing for the past 10 years making all of those games, their brand and tools?

If that's nothing the modders should just make their own critically acclaimed games with millions of players to mod for.

>>388580996
Many of them are already free on the Nexus
But only for PC, the creators are charging for them hoping console kiddies buy them.

>>388580683
Of course they have to dodge it. That doesn't mean everyone doesn't know what's going on.

>>388580983
Hahahahah. You're kidding, right?

>Bethesda dictates and approves of the content

Is that why stuff like the Hellfire Armor is on the CC even though it's already existed on nexus? And here's the stumper: tell me it's the same person who made both.

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>>388581294
>someone unironically believes this

>>388580773
>Im sorry that you are retarded and cant understand sentences
If I misunderstood, it's because you wrote that sentence so poorly. Care to clarify, then?

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>>388581010
Switching shit around doesn't make you magically correct.

He's being paid by the people who own the building he opens doors for, otherwise he wouldn't do it. Besides that I didn't ask him to hold the door.

The guy who makes a piece of art, I specifically want that, i want to listen or play or look at it. He asks that I pay him for the right to have it, so I do.
Do I need to explain to you why capitalism is more effective over your bullshit ideology where people should work for free and demand nothing? Because I'm not going to, it's self evident.

>>388581397

The Hellfire armor mods are separate mods that just happen to share the same concept. It's hilarious to see them juxtaposed but it's not mod stealing.

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>>388581416
>someone disagrees with this

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>>388581147
In the end, a guy asks to be paid for his art.

Who are you to deny him his rightful earnings.

>>388569029
I think the idea is surprisingly good; unlike with paid mods, the mod you spend your money on is backed by bethesda, so you know it'll at least work/not clash with other mods.

that said, from that image alone I can tell that they completely screwed it up. to get people down with this idea, you need to show interesting content; who the hell cares about their character's looks enough to spend money on weapon/armor skins in a single player game? They should've featured something more substantial, like some kind of campaign dlc, or an interesting add-on or something.

>>388581459
>He's being paid by the people who own the building he opens doors for

You can't be this fucking brainwashed by money, holy shit. You ever had someone help you out of the kindness of their heart who wasn't a fucking social worker the government designated for you, you fucking autist?

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>>388581667

Videogames are not art.

>>388569029
Bethesda learned absolutely goddamn nothing from how badly paid Steam mods failed.

I'll stick to Nexus mods or just learn to make my own, thanks.

>>388572024
a mod for a gunskin that costs 2 fucking dollars isnt getting 200k downloads

>>388575718
>Money drives quality content.
Then why is Fallout 4 shit?

>>388581883
Not an argument

>>388581735
I Agree with this.

A big problem I think is you also gain a lot of these in your inventory. All of these should have some custom quest to gain or as drops from enemies or found in the world.

I thought with Bethesda they would integrate the mods properly but they are just randomly putting out items for you to buy, breaking game-play.

>>388581939
Except it's pretty good.

>>388581667
The guy cannot demand payment for his art because his art is copying what other artists have made and own the rights for. The guy needs a rich benefactor to protect him from those laws, a benefactor that will take majority of the money the guy would have otherwise earned but cannot due to the aforementioned copyright law.
You are not really fit to argue about anything here because you're lacking the understanding of the laws involved, what Bethesda has actually done and how it would impact the modding community. At least so far you've demonstrated a lack of knowledge about these things.

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>>388581773
You're so fucking retarded and illiterate I'm dropping whatever replies you make to my posts. And it will be easy judging by how fucking backwards and misleading you take everything.

>>388582001
You need to go back.

>>388582001
>fallout 4
>good
get a spaniard to jam an icepick in the back of your head you tasteless fuck.

>>388581883
>making a claim he can't support

>>388576594
MS forced developers to pay to patch their own games last gen.

>>388582139
>>388582139
>being this mad at someone liking video games
Listen, you are retarded. It's okay, maybe you can play some more memegames like winnie the poohs home run derby.

>>388582053
How are all mods ever suddenly intellectual property to some magical company.

Is frostfall intellectual property to Warner brothers? Are custom made 3d swords with their own textures copy right to someone other than the single guy that rendered them?
What a gross sweeping generalisation. You've take a single facet of a wide topic and thought it would defeat sub topics not even related to this. Not every mod is a copyright of intellectual property first and foremost. So think your argument manchild

>>388582401
>being this mad at someone being this mad at liking video games
Where do you think you are?

>>388569472
>Elianora
>Her
Wait what? She is real .
Always thought she was a guy pretending to be a girl.
You know, a typical degenerate.

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>>388582449
>mad
/v/ not liking games is a meme

>>388582405
>make gun
>intentionally integrate it into Fallout
>hey bru why can't i sell it

Sell the model file and texture then, not the mod.

>>388582405
You understand nothing about copyright law. Congratulations. Do I really need to chew this out for you? He can sell the textures, he can sell the renders, on his own, but if he advertises all these things put together as a mod for Skyrim, he is prohibited from earning money from this without a binding legal agreement with the company that holds the rights to the game. It is why Patreon websites that attempted to hide the mods behind patron paywalls, their completely original creations, were hit with C&D letters.

>>388582694
Follow her on twitter or instagram lol

>>388570958
15 minutes after launch

>>388569029
Just support the Creation Club.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WL2mWGQRyX8

>>388581294
>What were they doing for the past 10 years making all of those games, their brand and tools?
Oh you mean those games they sell, that brand they use to sell games and those tools they create to make games which they then sell?

Giving open access to these tools to modders does not even require them to create those tools (and a little known fact to retards is that those tools improve the workflow when making those games in the first place), and claiming Bethesda should get a percentage for making those tools open is the saddest fucking worldview and it makes me really wish Trump would build a firewall around the USA so we don't have to suffer this inane shit anymore.

This is besides the fact that, as I already stated (and which you have completely and probably intentionally avoided addressing), mods in themselves give increased (and very significant) value to the game, which logically increases sales, which means Bethesda already benefits from opening up those tools, without needing to sell those mods.

>>388583634
>a little known fact to retards is that those tools improve the workflow when making those games in the first place
Assuming that their internal tools can be licensed out. DICE doesn't do modding anymore and they claim their tools would be too expensive to make public.

>>388583528

Kek, imagine paying $25 for THAT.

>>388583946
Paying anything for these is a ripoff. If they were weapons/armor/furniture with new mechanics, it'd be something, but just skins is a joke.

>>388583819
Everytime Dice talks about why they dont make mod tools, theyre fucking lying.

The only reason why they dont is so they can sell their shitty map packs.

>>388583946
>$25
So is that much for you? Are you unemployed?

>>388584156
They could easily release them after the premium sales drop down. Make mod maps using DLC assets require the DLC, require buying a server to play them, etc. It's not like releasing the tools automatically kills their profits.

>>388584174
Having money doesn't mean it has no value.

>>388584385
They already make you buy dlc and buy EA servers just to play the regular game, why bother making mod tools when they can just make you buy another full release that has 1/3rd the content of the previous games.

Theyre probably going to try slightly harder with the next game to drag people away from BF4.

>>388584691
That's still not a good reason to not release their tools. 90% of their players wouldn't notice the modded maps, and would get excited for the next game anyways.

>They already make you buy dlc and buy EA servers just to play the regular game,
Except you don't need to buy DLC to play, and you don't need to buy a server to play one specific map.

>>388579294

Actually modders make better money from donations since that money is not taxed as it's a donation and not income. That is not the case with creation club.

>>388569029
There are people on this board who will actually use this shit.

>>388572024
>one gun
>armor recolors
>better mods
uhhhh?

>>388572024
>expecting not to be poor when you're willing to spend money on skins you could get for free

>>388584887
Server hosts have to purchase an officially hosted server to be listed on their server browsers mods or not. It's been that way since BF1942. They've always been very expensive too.

The only maps dice releases for free are just slight variations of the vanilla maps, if you want to play more than vanilla maps you have to buy the DLCs.

>>388585104

That's assuming you'll get donations. EnaiSiaion claimed to only get $2,000 or so from donations over many years.

>>388573543
This is 4chan. Home of ultrajews that won't spare even a $1 to support any modder/creator. They would rather call the modder a jew for wanting money.

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>tfw nvfag
>tfw you have no intention of ever picking up F4

>>388585517

That's still something that's tax free and still pretty good for something you do in your spare time and don't have to worry about.

The real money seems to be in the Daz 3D porn games these days

>>388569029
>the credits are non-transferable between games on ps4

holy shit fuck you sony

>>388572024
>Supporting a mega company that doesn't care about him and will need his wallet dry

Wow look at you

>>388587394
Bleed*

>>388587491
They need it.

>>388575000
holy shit i just realized how redundant this program is, it essentially only applies to ps4 players since xbone never needed the paid system, it already had free reign to download any external mods.

anyone who pays one cent for these mods is a fucking fool. even on ps4 it would be like unbelievable desperation

>>388572024
they also said all the mods would have to be original when we can clearly see it doesn't have to be.

they're charging $5 for a fucking decorative backpack that is already on nexus

what the fuck

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Working on Xen for FO4

it'll be for free, fuck this gay shit, I'm a poorfag but I don't need to be a kike about it.

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>>388588097

>>388583634
A normal trumpster, being a dumb trumpster.

You realise Trump is basically the Bethesda of property development right?

None of what you said invalidates what anon said. You can already get free mods developed, you can already pay for mods via donations (top lel) now you can pay for mods with Bethesda support. If you Bethesda wants money for supporting said mods then they should get it you dumb fuck retard.

where do i pirate these? gunetwork?

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>>388588191

>>388573882
didn't a bunch of modders pack up shop and disappear the first time, when idiots started stealing and uploading mods to sell on steam workshop?

if anyone thinks that paying 50 fucking cents for a different color pip boy is worth it then they don't deserve to have money

>>388574696
this is exclusively to fleece ps4 players or presumably xbox retards who couldn't be bothered to check the compatibility of the mods they download and appreciate paying bethesda to do that tiny step for them.

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>>388588343

I honestly don't get it, Why can't they just make a fucking "patreon-ish" platform for modder faggots, acquire some shit fee like 5% and people can sub to their favorite modders to "support" them to make more mods, I mean artist do this shit all the time, I don't get as to why modfags don't fall into the same category.

>>388588213
>You realise Trump is basically the Bethesda of property development right?
really makes you think

>>388569029
Gopher didn't approve this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciSAyylZjfM

>>388588267
Here.
https://www.reddit.com/r/modpiracy/new/

>>388577623
I hate Zenimax so fucking much

seriously

I think they are trying to steal the "Worst Company in America" crown from EA and BoA.

At this point I've stopped blaming Bethesda, as they are merely the brainjacked husk that sells the wares at this point, puppeted by Zenimax.

I hope you guys are ready for Doom 2 to have paid mods on console as well, and for the ending of their next Elder Scrolls to be DLC "because it's just so big in scope we need the community's support to finish the battle"

>>388588858
>some unwarranted self importance retard rambling while playing an unrelated game in the background

no ty

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>>388576925
i like how none of those are even touching on the actual real negative effects smartphones have had on society.

Any actual content available to extend gameplay via new locations/quests/etc, or is it just reskins/weapons/inventory shit?

>>388589542

To be honest I think that is less the cause of smartphones themselves and more the cause of an abundance of social media with people constantly seeking validation from literal who's on the internet. "Smartphones" have been around since the 90's but were very much business orientated than social media orientated.

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>>388569029
Here's a comparison between both Hellfire Armors.
>Creation Club: Probably ported from Fallout 3.
>Nexus: Made from scratch and free from the start.

>>388569029
No fuck off i will NEVER pay for mods. In fact i making a massive download list as we speak saving every final mod i care about and any others that come out. Fuck you all for supporting this.

Kill yourselves.

>>388590116
Creation Club looks better it has more details and looks way more similar to the original.

>>388589542
Those would be a lot more meaningful with a proper y-axis on each of them.

>>388575718
I remember a screencap of Gabe Newell saying this on a reddit AMA and even there he had like 2000+ downvotes. Literally no one really believes that work in a community is *purely* profit-driven. Modders do what they do as a fucking hobby. The people defending this are only thinking short-term. They never consider how normalizing this could affect the entire modding community even a year from now.

>>388590401
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/09/has-the-smartphone-destroyed-a-generation/534198/

>>388590116

The Creation Club mod is clearly the better of the two. Better mesh and a much better texture.

>>388590508
Yeah, that's the same graphs. A proper y-axis would show you how meaningless some of those are.

>>388576252
why would someone turn off all shadows

>>388590617
Now now, how can you prove a point with graphs if you used an objective 0-100% range?

>>388581735
So what you're saying is that it's cool of Bethesda to monetize the incredibly difficult task of simply checking your mod's compatibility for you?

>>388590116
You can have both in your game what's the problem?
You don't have money? or you're trying to convince yourself of Nexus version is better because MUH FREE?

>>388576594
I thought I was finally prepared to move past my regrets, I can't afford a proper modern PC and hearing mods would finally be on console I waited in fucking line in the cold to get this stupid game on PS4.

then the DLC was all garbage and I wasn't going to bend to them by being pressured into buying a season pass before a price hike, and then this. like holy shit, i get to have new waves of free buyer's remorse every time they introduce some new fresh hell every few months.

>>388569029
>Pay for mods
>install step by step
>Breaks other mods
>random fuck ups
YES LET'S PAY FOR MODS THAT BREAK OTHER MODS AND OR DON'T WORK HAHAHAHAHAHAHA YEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!

>>388577273
no and i doubt bethesda even gives a shit. this system is solely to sponge up money from literal retards for zero effort. even if mods are bought just to be reuploaded on nexus, still dollars in zenimax's pockets.

>>388578003
why do none of the shitposting dumblefucks who argue for paid mods ever admit that the modding community has somehow, against your supposedly enlightened understanding, managed to function entirely on its own with no money for literally decades? people were making and distributing free mods before some of the posters in this thread were even fucking born.

>>388591520
All mods will be guaranteed to work when you install them though the Creation Club™. You are paying for quality, forget the times when you had to spend days trying to get your mods working that you downloaded from unofficial websites!

>ctrl-f Trainwiz and Buffscale
>zero results
Huh you'd think those fags would be in here shilling and attention whoring.

>>388578284
that's what happens when you wake up one morning and realize your net worth is estimated (ESTIMATED) at 5 and a half billion fucking dollars.

Estimated, because Valve doesn't make their finances public so nobody even knows how much money they make.

>>388591848
Fuck off shill. OMG GUYS I'M LOLING THAT'S RIGHT I SAID LOLING AHAHAHAHAHAHA I WISH I COULD MAKE BIGGER CAPS FOR LAUGHING HHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>388590263
Thank god sex mods are too lewd for Todd to take them down or host them.

>>388591942

I didn't know Buffscale had anything to do with the CC.

>/v/ has turned against gaben and todd
i pray we return to the fun days when we weren't filled with such discriminatory cunts shitting up the place with their ps4boxes and nintendo bing bings

I for one have already bought some credits, todd will never go homeless. I remember all the good he did.

>>388590436
>I remember a screencap of Gabe Newell saying this on a reddit AMA and even there he had like 2000+ downvotes.
It was actually posted earlier: >>388578118

It's not just Gabe's downvotes, either. It's also all the upvotes for the guy who immediately and concisely proved Gabe wrong.

>>388592101
This.

>>388591962
You'd think he'd use some of that money to not be a gigantic lardass, if only for the increased life expectancy.

>>388592101
Who the fuck plays these games for sex?

>>388592101
all he'd have to do is take down skse (or future tool) lmao
i hope he does, you poorfag perverts need to get off the internet

>>388579294
>Many of them feel that they should be able to take on modding as a job.
none of them thought this until bethesda began pushing the idea

temptation is a sin of human nature. you can't slap modders with wads of illusory cash they aren't currently making distributing the mods for free, and not expect a few to say "see ya" to the community in exchange for some easy profits.

>>388591848
>You are paying for quality
Yeah. Low quality.

>>388579606
well they were lying through omission since they never said you can't take existing mods and just, well, make the same mod or tweak it to be "your" mod before uploading it. There will be minimal curation if any.

>>388591962

That estimated net worth is basically how much the market thinks Steam is worth paying for. Unless Gabe plans to sell Valve it's meaningless. He's definitely an extremely wealthy man but he's probably not a billionaire, not until the day he sells Valve.

>>388592202

Many. But they're small in proportion to the people who aren't interested in sex mods.

>>388592202
Where else can I save the world alongside my elven waifu and have a celebratory fuck in a comfy bathhouse?

>>388592202
If you can't use charisma to convince a deathclaw to fuck you instead of killing you, what good is it?

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>>388579606
B-But Bethesda still says it will be curated! Nobody will steal mods!! Bethesda p-p-promised!!

>>388589542
Woah it's almost like most of these are directly correlated with the recession also
>not hanging out with friends
Can't go out without money
>no want to drive
kids can't drive if their parents can't afford cars
>less dating
Can't go on dates without money
>less sex
This shit doesn't even have an abnormal downward curve and if anything could be attributed to increased sexual education
>feeling lonely
This shit could be literally anything
>less sleep
Woah it's almost like making standardized tests a mandatory thing for passing would make kids stay up late stressing about it

>>388592781
shhhh anon its iphones fault

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>>388590116
Really bad comparison.

CC Hellfire looks like shit.
Texture work is awful lol

Left: Creation Club.
Right: Nexus.
*this is a fair comparison also with no enb or texture mods.

Please don't support the Creation Club.

>>388592781
The inherent problem is the topics themselves. They're not caused by one single factor, any correlation you make will only account for a percentage of the actual cause.

>>388569029
Despite what is popular on /v/ I like it. It's no different than the steam workshop, really. And by putting the mods into the hands of Bathesda there will be much less theft and shitty cashgrab mods that end up not working than there would have been if they had just sold mods directly and unregulated like they planned originally.

>>388592987
What, we can't oversimplify social changes to have a single, easy to blame cause?

>>388569029
Kike club

>>388593031
>It's no different than the steam workshop
Except you have to pay with funny money. The only positive aspect I could see coming out of this is if Bethesda provides professional resources like voice actors.

>>388592941

The lighting looks completely different in both images. Whoever made this needs to learn how to screenshot.

>>388593196
he's saving you from the nexus version's ugly ass textures

>>388593085
Apparently not! Shocking, isn't it?

wtf I hate capitalism now

>>388592781
>>no want to drive
>kids can't drive if their parents can't afford cars
holy shit you are a fucking idiot, the reason stupid teens aren't getting licenses until very late is because many say specifically that their parents obediently drive them anywhere at any time now, so they have no motivation to get their own license or car.

>>388591803
I've never understood how that was even possible

>>388593493
[citation needed]
[with a study that isn't just you]

>>388593532
because it's not true, anon is being deliberately misleading
donations and private funding have been huge in modding
all bethesda is doing is trying to bring it to the light (and getting a slice of it)

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anyone who buys this shit should fuck off to consoles.

>>388593671
Yes, but those donations were always voluntary. You could still get the mod if you didn't pay

>>388593671
>donations and private funding have been huge in modding
are you fucking kidding me? do you have any more history revision to share?

>>388593493
Woah maybe this is because the parent or kid can't afford to buy a car or put them on the insurance

>>388591848
>forget the times when you had to spend days trying to get your mods working
try minutes. even if you have no idea what you are doing you can manage. i was able to get NV running with something like 180 mods installed and no prior experience. Bethesda are really preying on the lowest retards.

>>388575556
Buy my game.

>>388569029
DERP

>>388593671

No, it is true for the most part.

The thing is today mod production takes far, far longer than it did 20 years ago when it was a lot more feasible to do it in your spare time and not have it take years to complete. Just take textures, for example. 20 years ago to texture a mesh, that probably only had a few hundreds polys, you made a single 256x256 texture. Today to texture a mesh, which probably has 10s of thousands of polys, you make at least three; a diffuse, a normal and a specular.

>>388593369
It's not capitalism, it's corporatism.

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Listen up bois, rant coming in from someone who has around 1000+ hours in elder scrolls games.

Any sort of paywall behind mods is utter bullish and should not be tolerated whatsoever. When modding a bethesda game(which is inherently buggy) it can be really annoying and sometimes mods just aren't compatible with each other. This can be for a plethora of reasons and it's okay because if a mod doesn't work I can just remove it and either find a replacement or live without it.

Now, if I PAID for it I would be OBLIGATED to use it and would feel like shit if it wasn't compatible with something else and I would be wasting money in this scenario whereas without paywall there is no issue.

Also in order to do a graphical overhaul when the game gets old you need to use 50-150 mods. Could you imagine paying for all that shit? You really wanna pay $200 just to mod the fucking game?

Modding is not a fucking job I have made one mod and would never expect any payment from it. Heres my mod in case anyone cares: http://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/45160/?tab=4&&navtag=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nexusmods.com%2Fmorrowind%2Fajax%2Fcomments%2F%3Fmod_id%3D45160%26page%3D1%26sort%3DDESC%26pid%3D0%26thread_id%3D5940653&pUp=1

Basically if you support paid mods in any way you are a fucking cuck and should be crucified. When you buy the GOTY/ultimate edition of the game, you shouldn't have to pay a DIME more.