Convince me why are mechs better tan tanks.

ur mum is hot op

>>388531564
They aren't. Wheels are much more practical than legs.

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tanks stand no chance against Kaiju

>>388531564
They are not, they offer some advantages that a tank could not, like moving heavy shit.

Planes are the superior war vessel anyway

Whiteuu pigguuuu ^____^

>>388531564
Mechs are only good if they have the same range of motion and speed that humans have, clunky/slow mechs suck

>>388531564
They can do people things.

>>388531954
>>388532076
This. Titanfall Mechs are perfect exemple

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https://youtu.be/8BTEjekUlpI
>a mech is you... times a thousand. Tall as a mountain, with a beating heart that burns as bright as the sun.

>>388531564
When mechs can be mobile as humans without sacrificing too much armor they will be better

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>>388531564
I like mechs because they look cooler imo.
Tanks are too realistic and close to cars.
I like some realistic mecha too though (or at least mecha that pretend to have a realistic aesthetic)

>>388532975
this. Only a normie wouldnt like mechs because theyre not realistic.

mechs are a terrible solution to a problem that doesn't exist

>>388533080
mechs are literally the most normie of vehicles
>requires no thought or effort to appreciate
>looks innately 'cool'
>normies don't care enough about things to wonder about how it works
>looks boringly human

it takes effort to understand the beauty of a vehicle that's as functional as it is powerful

>>388533226
And what problem might that be?

>>388533415
Nothing, it doesn't exist

>>388531564

because /k/ proved mechs were shit like 20 times now but still weebs make threads like a cancer

>>388533415
the need to unify infantry, artillery and armor into 1 multi-purpose vehicle

but like I said, this is not a problem that exists because the entire concept is silly

>>388533816
But that's ridiculous, there are so many types that you cannot say one is better than the other. A gundam will always be stronger than a tank. /k/ is right about realistic mechs but we're talking about vidya

>>388533415
Disproportionate advances in weaponry.
Even if back then they invented an autonomous walking suit of plate armor, a hail of crossbow bolts can easily rekt the hunk of metal.

>>388534108
no see, the problem is that technology does not exist in a vacuum

yes a gundam IS superior to a modern day tank, however given access to the technology that was used to build a gundam you could build another vehicle far superior to the gundam

so the hypothetical gundam tech tank would beat the gundam

>>388534108

show me where OP specified vidya

this is an off topic thread disguised as something else

>>388534323
The gundam tech tanks in gundam are shit.

>>388534323
Not really, a tank would be like an amputee crawling with a gun fighting a trained adult. Gundams have a thousand times the mobility and versatility that tanks may have.

>>388534323
You didn't watch or know about gundam mech are you? Shit is fast, agile and mobile

>>388534213
>>388534020
And what if the Mechs weren't designed for combat?
What if they were created to aid construction/working in hazerdous places and needed a heavy construction gear, and then retrofited to battle, whether be by proper military or militias?
Not trying to be cheki just coming up with a reason for they existing in the first place

>>388531763
railgun equipped tank formation hull down shooting at it from miles away, next.

>>388534469
>>388534732
you don't really seem to understand this

mech shapes are terrible, the magic engines capable of making them agile could make a tank even more agile

believe it or not but it's actually easier to make the tank fly than to make the gundam fly

>>388534749
Construction mechs are possible, but they'd be about 3m tall max and more akin to exosuits/powerloaders
turning them into jury rigged combat machines is possible as well but they'd be an insurgency only weapon that loses every time against a dedicated combat vehicle

Mechs are better because Atlas is my mec hfu.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OC2lsZU_Y4A

>>388535135
MW5 is shit play Living Legends and Battletech instead

>>388532295
i didn't know glados got a new job

>>388535070
https://youtu.be/jWXPIfSI6ZE

>>388535070
>mech shapes are terrible, the magic engines capable of making them agile could make a tank even more agile
How? A gundam can switch weapons at will, a tank can't. A gundam can jump around can change speed faster than a fighter jet, a tank cannot. A gundam can even hug a jet to go to space. If you add modifications to tanks so that they can do those things they stop being tanks altogether. If you give tanks the ability to jump and move like gundams it would be redundant to have treads. Guess what, by definition tanks must have treads.
The only advantage of tanks is their low profile, and gundams have aiming computers so good that they would be able to hit a tank from orbit.

>>388535402
saying mechs are better than tanks is like saying bows are better than guns because you could put a monomolecular supersteel tip on the arrow that could penetrate everything forever


then conveniently forget there's nothing stopping you from making a bullet out of the same material

>>388535272
That trailer was the original one before it got canceled and Mechwarrior Online appeared.

>>388535589
You didn't watch the video are you?

>>388535470
>A gundam can switch weapons at will, a tank can't.

If you had the ability to make a giant mechanized humanoid that has full mobility, then you could make a system to swtich weapons on a tank. Not to mention that tanks already have multiple weapons on them.

>>388535589
It's more like the magic being in the bowstring and saying that there's nothing stopping you from putting that bowstring on the gun, except that by that time by definition you won't have a gun anymore, at best you'll have a crossbow.
If you give tanks the ability to fly and jump, etc. they won't need treads anymore. And having hands can never be a disadvantage. Gundam magic makes tanks obsolete grandpa

Mechs are only superior in fantastical interpretations like MSG, Evangelion and TTGL.

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>>388531564
Tanks are better.

>>388536370
Exactly, but in those interpretations they are incomparably better.

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>>388535470
>comparing lol magic level robots to regular tanks
A hover tank would be better than a mech in every way.

>>388536370
08th MS team proves realistic setting is fantastic too

>>388531564
explanation why they were created in the Metal Gear series: having an all-terrain-vehicle, and a mobile nuclear-launch-pad
explanation in the Gundam-series: the need of a jack of all trades weapon-plattform, who can fight in space, and in gravity

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>>388533407
>>requires no thought or effort to appreciate
>>looks innately 'cool'
>>normies don't care enough about things to wonder about how it works
>>looks boringly human
You really have no idea about what you're talking about.
It doesn't matter if you don't like them but you act like you understand the designs you're talking shit about.

>>388532076
Why would you need to do that? The entire purpose of an armored vehicle carrying a 105mm cannon is that it does what people can't.

>>388534338
>show me where OP specified vidya
when he chose to post a thread on /v/ with a Metal Gear opening image

>>388534323
>so the hypothetical gundam tech tank would beat the gundam
except this exists in Gundam, and it's shit

>>388531564
Giant robots were created because they look cool.
Tanks were created because of trenches.
If we didn't need tanks, we wouldn't make tanks.
But we'd still make cartoons about giant robots.

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>>388531564
why not have both?

>>388536691
Gundams can do that already, and more because they can work with their hands. There is nothing that a tank can do that a gundam can't.

>>388536557
I would argue that a hover tank is not a tank anymore, especially because hovering defeats the purpose of having a low to ground profile. Regardless, that vehicle does less things than a gundam could so I don't see how it's better in any way

>>388536627
look at your picture
it requires zero effort to appreciate

it looks like a badass human, has a badass pose and everything, some generic fins, a sword etc
all normiebait of the highest caliber

a tank requires understanding of engineering and warfare to truly appreciate

>>388531564
I won't.
I seriously think soldiers would be efficient if they were tank shaped cyborg instead of meatbag or cyborg human shape.

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>>388531564
They're cool.

>>388536738
>except this exists in Gundam, and it's shit
because it's not properly made even within universe
by all rights a tank made out of the same magic shit should be vastly superior

it's just the good ol "shitty writers don't understand the implications of their own setting"

>>388531564
>Mech charges up it's railgun which is near the top making the mech top heavy
>Fires the railgun which generates a massive backblast
>Mech falls overs
Theres a reason why sahaelanthropus crouched down and changes it's center of mass when it fires the rail gun. Rex would just fall over.

>>388537110
>should be vastly superior
How, nigger, how? Name one single thing a tank would do better.

When someone makes a mech they are thinking of essentially making a large person, and giving that person a gun to hold. When someone makes a tank they are thinking "Ive made this awesome gun, this gun is fucking awsome, It needs to move, It needs wheels so the gun can fucking drive around".
Do you want to drive a gun, or pilot a vehicle that simply carries a gun.

>>388536620
Metal Gears stick out like a sore thumb, they probably cost millions to make and go down after a couple of tank-size rounds, they'd be useless in an actual war.

>>388536557
Tau armies are 90% mechs with hovertanks as support.
I'm pretty sure their whole meta game in 7th was 3 riptides and a stormsurge fucking everyones day up

>>388537148
>Mech falls overs
Not when you have a nearly unlimited energy supply and supercomputers calibrating the engine thrust so that the pilot doesn't feel a thing

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>>388531564
Bipedal is just bad design but this could work.

>>388531564
Have you ever piloted a mech? Tanks can't even hurt you, and you one shot them.

>>388537151
take hits
fly
shoot
evade
move faster

basically everything the mech can do the tank can do better

>>388537252
Rex is still stupid. Fuck liquid.

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>>388537110
>by all rights a tank made out of the same magic shit should be vastly superior
A tank can't switch seemlessly from long-range to melee combat.

The amount of control a pilot has of a tank is worse than that of a mobile suit

3d environment (space, water, air, ect), mech > tank. Otherwise wheels are better.

>>388536868
>hovering defeats the purpose of having a low to ground profile
Not if the height is adjustable.

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>>388537110
>by all rights a tank made out of the same magic shit should be vastly superior
no it wouldn't . A Gundam can fight underwater, in space and on ground.

A Gundam can climb a mountin and buildings. A Gundam can equip and carry a large array of different weapons.
I say Gundam but this is what almost any Mobile Suit in Gundam can do. They can also ford rivers and navigate forests with relative ease.

And when push comes to shove, a Gundam could just flip over the tank.

>>388537312
Man you're stupid, gundams can do all that already to the point where it would be physically impossible to be better. A tank wouldn't be able to top a gundam's top speed, or shoot better, or fly better, or anything. You're applying real life logic to a setting where gundams are the best weapons

>>388531564
War machines and machines altogether are tools made for a purpose.
Pretending some specific kind/type of machine is perfect all-round option for every need is naive at best and completely retarded at worse.
>>388531837
>Planes are the superior war vessel anyway
You can go and drop bombs and shoot civilians from the sky for years, but if you want to run the fucking country you just bombed into middle ages and get their oil you needs boots on the grounds.
As for the rest that usually goes like this:
>but tanks can get same mech tech glued on and that means they are forever superior
This seems like a stupid idea because what you get is some frankenstein monster playing catch up with a tool made for different purpose.
Humanoid mechs if they became viable would excel at one thing and that thing is full range of human motions basically working like power armor / exoskeleton and the versatility coming with it.

>>388537553
>And when push comes to shove, a Gundam could just flip over the tank.
lmao tanks btfo

>>388531564
>arguing sci-fi vs realism
God you are all retarded.

>>388537397
>melee combat
>still relevant
lol grandpa where are your meds? Yeah your time in the cavalry was amazing I know, I know...

>>388537312
Even if you were right, how's that a tank and not a plane?

>>388537301
4 legged could work. Bipedal is essentially having a man stand with his legs at his side completely straight and having him fire a rocket launcher.

>>388537687
>getting close to a tank as a giant hunk of metal
>flipping an anti-grav propulsioned tank

Good luck with either of those

>>388537312
>i'll make mech out of tank but still call it tank so i can win an internet argument

>>388537742
Nigger you obviously have no idea of the things gundams are capable of. I get it, mechs are better in real life, but they are utter shit in the gundam universe.

>>388537167
Nigga, they carry nukes. What retarded army is going to attack something carrying nukes? They're basically walking/moving stalemates.

>>388537878
I assume there are weapons systems that can hurt a gundam, put one of those on a tank, how is anything getting close to a tank formation?

A mech is superior if cost isnt a factor. Consider that you could build 1 mech for every 100 tanks.

Mechs are pretty cool as long as they arent in humanoid shape.
Humanoid Gundam esque shape instantly puts mechs into irredeemable shit territory.
Gurren Lagan being the only exception.

>>388532295
Man Pacific Rim was a dumb movie. I got it was just hype big fucking robots fighting big fucking monsters but it could have been more off the rails IMO.

>>388537914
Do nukes detonate that easily? I always thought there was some mechanism inside the bomb that needed to be triggered to actually set off the nuke.

>>388531564
They aren't. The only effective "mech" I could imagine would be power armor, basically just an electronically powered bulletproof set of armor plates moved by hydraulics that would totally protect the wearer against small arms fire and so as to let them be used as a sort of stormtrooper to raid well-defended positions that tanks can't reach or effectively clear, but again that use case is still fairly limited.

>>388537878
It wont matter ranged weapons always wins against melee you autistic fuck.

>>388531564
They aren't because Railguns exist.

>>388536557
Acording to GW, giant fucking mechs are 1000% better than hover tanks. Or well... was. Now it's all avengers style Ironman commander spam.

>>388538028
At that point the tanks would at most be equal to gundams in pure firepower, but without the versatility that having an humanoid shape has. And if you're going to call something that can fly a tank then we should be calling something that can float a tank too, and I don't see anyone calling warships tanks. So your tank would have to stay on the ground and be easily outmaneuvered.

What about tanks that transform into mechs?

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>>388531564
They look cooler and therfore are better.
I'd rather die looking cool than practical.
Meta shitters are the worse, even in reality

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A mobile armored box with a big fucking gun on top of it, using the best armor, weapon and propulsion system available in the setting/universe, you literally can't do better than this.

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I dislike mechs that have all kinds of super powers or are just so damn amazing that conventional weapons barely even work on them.

Are there any games/series where mechs arent just walking power houses that can take million hits?

>>388538473
EDF games. Theyre tanks with utility of being able to shoot from a higher platform and carry multiple weapons, but tanks carry much heavier guns, rather than more of them.

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>>388538468
>That battle during the Second Iraq war where fifteen M1A1 Abram Tanks destroyed 75 Iraqi tanks without a single tank being hit.

>>388538473
Yes

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>>388538450
>muh humanoid robot
>cool
If you are 13 I guess.

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>>388538468
*Blocks your path*

>>388538160
You can easily attach a dead man's switch to the nuke.

>>388538468
Can your main gun even target someone right on top of you? Can tanks swim, or fly, or go to space, or use tools? Gundams already have the best armor, the best weapons and the best propulsion, and more.

>>388538310
Serious question but has anyone used a railguns for anything useful besides testing? I really like railguns but I never seen any put to good use.

>>388537914
>They're basically walking/moving stalemates.
No, not really. All terrain walking nuke launching platforms would be sweet for some retard who wants to nuke someone but MAD gets in his way too much.
Also, detonating a nuclear weapon is HARD, if you blew the nuke apart with normal explosives you'd have a bad case of local contamination, basically a dirty bomb but it would not be a nuclear explosion.
>What retarded army is going to attack something carrying nukes?
Someone who wants to stop the guy with the nukes from launching them?

>>388538762
They aren't ready for mainstream adoption yet, they're getting there though.

>>388538762
The problem is that the way they are currently built means that you have to replace the barrels much more often than a standard cannon. Last I checked a railgun barrel can only fire 150 times before needing to be replaced while a standard one is like 1200

>>388538682
>lovechild of a tick and a spider with amputated legs
You sure picked a shitty picture if you went for 'cool'.

>>388538704
*hovers above you*

>>388538753
Yes if we are bringing sci-fi tech to the mix.

>>388538762
We didn't solve the breaking yet and the power requirements are atrocious too.

>>388531564
penis machine guns.

>>388538753
The amount of energy needed to make a Gundam move like it does is too much for it to be viable in the real world. Also, the amount of lube needed to keep it working would be absurd

>>388539036
By that argument if you're going to be so liberal with your definition of tank then gundams are tanks with arms and legs. So the question becomes whether limbs are necessary, and the answer is why not? If anything I guess we could do away with legs and give them more arms.

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>>388539051
Some also have a true COCK PIT.

>>388539082
What part of fantasy setting is so hard to understand? Gundams might as well be powered by magic. Nobody is saying that tanks aren't better in real life

>>388538095
This so much.

>>388539082
>the amount of lube needed to keep it working would be absurd
Is this about buttsex?

>>388538753
>Can your main gun even target someone right on top of you?
Nigga, if you let your enemy get right above you you've already lost the damn battle.

>>388539123
Tanks will still have a far more efficient design and smaller overall profile

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>>388539051
This is an anon who knows what's up. Man's greatest tools look like a penis because we naturally think with our dicks.

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>>388539251
You bet your sweet ass it is

>>388531564
they're not, walking robots are the worst and only exist for man's masturbation

>>388539281
>Nigga, if you let your enemy get right above you you've already lost the damn battle.
What about a gundam with a sniper rifle ten thousand feet above you, can a tank hit that?

>>388539330
Profile doesn't matter when the aiming systems are so good they could hit a penny from Jupiter.

>>388531564
Rule of cool you massive faggot

>>388538095
Fucking this.

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>>388539423
>only exist for man's masturbation
so do videogames, and that's not a bad thing

>>388538753
The only reason a modern tank can't aim straight up is because it has no reason to. Mobile artillery vehicles that are built similarly to tanks can aim pretty much straight up. Any weapons platform that would have the need to aim up would be able to.

A gundams ability to swim or leave the atmosphere has nothing to do with their humanoid shape. A tank or similar vehicle with the same equipment could do the same thing.

You don't need hands to use different pieces of equipment.

>>388539508
>Profile doesn't matter
still more efficient design, which leads to a numbers advantage.

>b-but muh post-scarcity!
Stil tanks will be shat out faster.

>n-no! construction is instant!
They occupy less space therefore more guns can be massed in a single place.

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>>388536976
>>388539567
This.

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I like it how people think the definition of a mech as a 100 floor building tall weighing 30000 tons.
A 6 meter tall chassis built with LiveDrives will eliminbate, cost, complexity for repairs, complexity to put armor on top and provide finer motor movements than gears, allowing more weigh in armor.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIjdjZOkZr8&list=UUD5azmfUwUcfAvJn8jl1_eg

>in4 shoot the legs
If you're retarded enough to aim for the legs of a humanoid target, let alone a moving one, you'll miss your shots.

>inb4 muh square cube law
A simple calculation of volume in relation to area that does not affect a mech design unless it's the size of a fucking mountain. Do remember that dinosaurs existed.

>>388539629
FOCKING PRAWNS, MON

>>388539508
>What about a gundam with a sniper rifle ten thousand feet above you, can a tank hit that?


Yes.

They have an effective range of 3000 Meters.

>>388537312
I can see the first one because, well, tank; and maybe the 3rd one because better recoil control.

But you're literally saying "it'll be better because I say so", you need to elaborate you nigger.

>>388539753
>You don't need hands to use different pieces of equipment.
You do needs limbs or something like that. Sure, let's give tanks multiple weapons and limbs (completely fucking over their low profile), let's give them the ability to swim (but they are still tanks, totally not ships), to go underwater (but they are tanks, not subs), to fly (totally not planes guys), to go to space (spaceships? no way they're tanks) and to have limbs. But they are totally tanks and not mechs.

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>>388539916
Furthermore, an appropriately sized mech (read: Not built like a fucking 10 story building/weighing 3000 tons as explained above) with appropriate VTOL/rotary wings could very well operate on the ground and in the air. F-35s weigh up to 28 tons. Even then, their VTOL systems can still lift them off the ground easily.
I see no problem implementing those to a lightweight 6-7m tall mech around the same weigh limits. Not only would they be light enough for takeoff and hovering, the minimal components for limbs would be hard to hit given their surface area, and easy to replace if built with LiveDrive technologies. What's more, being able to take flight would allow it to fly above a tank's turret elevation angle and bomb it to hell.

>inb4 it won't work
The Mil Mi-26, one of the heaviest helicopters ever designed, has over 56 tons, and can lift over 2000 meters by rotary wings, since 1982.

>inb4 a tank can get those too!
Good fucking luck designing good stabilizers for your tank's wide cross-sectional area, or shooting your main gun and not tumbling backwards.

>inb4 why not have a helicopter?
Why use a helicopter when you can have a helicopter that can also move on land?

>>388538753
What if we make tanks with the same armor, give them the same weapons and engine?
And if you can make giant humanoid robots swim, fly and go to space, I don't see why you can't make tanks do the same.
But really, tanks doesn't need to fly, swim or go to space. They have their own niche.

Remember "Jack of all trade is a master of none"

>>388539916
>Fire proximity detonating explosives at the legs
>Chain shots suddenly become a thing again

>>388539916
>If you're retarded enough to aim for the legs of a humanoid target, let alone a moving one, you'll miss your shots.

>>388539508
>Profile doesn't matter when the aiming systems are so good they could hit a penny from Jupiter.

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>>388537742
>>388537853
>When you realize Mobile Suits can fly faster than a fucking jet plane and the Minovsky particles leaking from the barely stable nuclear reactor powering the Mobile Suit prevents ground based weapons from even targeting them

This whole argument is retarded anyways because Mobile Suits were originally intended for use in space, not in gravity.

>>388531564
The biggest advocation for Mechs over Tanks is that Mechs are much better suited to wars in which one of the potential battlefields is space.
Tanks are best suited for 2D ground warfare, but adding that third dimension screws things up; the design philosophy of keeping a low profile means that they're actually a bigger target for anything that gets above or below them. Mechs are also better suited to the enviroment where grabbing hold of something, ie the space station or ship, is required for more effective maneuvering, and can better shift to angle their armor against incoming fire from whatever direction they are being attacked from.
They are also better suited to Urban warfare, where any building taller than two stories is a potential nest of enemies, and you thus have to assume the enemy has the height advantage. Being able to better direct heavy ordinance at upper floors or just use your mass to crumble a building has it's advantages, and is better suited to ducking into an alley to get out of the line of fire.

>>388540485
>Remember "Jack of all trade is a master of none"
Bullshit, gundams are masters of all trades. That's the whole idea of Gundam, their selling point. It's not realism it's fantasy.

>>388540546
Obviously not the same person, I'm talking specifically about the Gundam universe, not about metal gears and much less about real life.

>>388540412
An attack hovercopter is better than a mech in literally everyway.

>>388531564
Generally it's a ground mobility thing. Take Battlefield 2142, in most cases the mechs aren't more mobile, and in comparison to the PAC tanks they are less mobile, than tanks. The only advantage they might have is height over cover but that is also and advantage for tanks because it makes them more visible. Titanfall mechs are better just because they are mobile and have appendages the allow for easier weapon swapping, they can outmaneuver tanks and can be equipped for anti-air. Gundams and the like which combine magic armor and super fast speeds are top tier, conventional weapons don't work on them and they usually have some sort of autist super pilot behind the stick.

>>388539916
That video was pretty neat.

>>388540494
Proximity fuzes are highly unreliable.

>>388540660
Read the last line of that post.

>>388540759
Why move directly on land if you can frictionlessly hover instead?

>>388536370
>Mechs
>Evangelion
Eva units are fucking living creatures with restraints that might look like an armor strapped to them.
Only 'mech' parts are the weapon supplies in shoulder blades and entry plug + accompanying support tech.

>>388540241
Anon please. It's called internal storage and weapon mounting systems. This isn't even fantasy.

And yes, if you're going to be nitpicky, it's not a tank anymore at that point. It's a non-descript weapons platform. Still superior to a mech.

>>388540869
Because a landed helicopter is useless. A landed mech that can fly can also provide support for infantry on the ground when needed.

>>388540934
>Eva units are fucking living creatures with restraints that might look like an armor strapped to them.
What seriously? That's so fucking cool, not even the guy you replied to. How did I miss that, I don't think it was explicitly said in any episode right? Or is it from the movies? I didn't watch the latest ones

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Powered armor suits are superior.

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A tank can't even be deployed in mountainous terrain or deep forest. A mech can just walk up the mountain or through the trees.

>>388540987
>a non-descript weapons platform. Still superior to a mech.
A nondescript weapons platform that looks awfully like a mech except that it has no legs and the limbs aren't anthropomorphic. Looks like a different kind of mech to me.

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>>388541126
Tanks also suck shit in cities, while mechs can just use buildings as cover and fight like infantry.

>>388541126
You're arguing with people that will change the meaning of a tank to be like a mech but will still call it a tank to win the argument

>>388539036
So know instead of a tank you have an armored vtol jet?

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The only way humanoid mechs are objectively better than tanks are in a setting where the tech is advanced enough to allow it to exist in the first place.
In real world, we don't have tech advanced enough to power or control such a monstrosity.
It all comes down to energy consumption and control capabilities. If energy was extremely cheap, batteries really powerful, and then have a control interface that allows one to control a machine like it's nothing, then mecha might become a thing.
A humanoid robot is the most direct correlation to the human body, so if a direct brain uplink or something is used to pilot it, the brain can control it fluidly because it's basically a new body. I don't remember where but I think I remember Gundam explaining itself using this reason.
Combine this with enhanced reactions and a little bit of anime bullshit magic, and the mech could surpass the tank in being the best ground assault unit. This is all of course just science fiction currently. If the military suddenly found a way to make the tank obsolete they would already.

>>388541074
>You know what will be a great idea? put the pilot's arms exposed outside, hell put some armor on them so they wont bitch about it.
>Inb4 muh precision handling
That could be answered with precision mechanical arms.

>>388540995

Are you seriously implying that you cannot support infantry from the air?

>>388541280
>energy consumption
Compact fusion. Being researched by Lockheed Martin to be small enough to fit in an F-35.
http://www.lockheedmartin.com/us/products/compact-fusion.html

>>388541158
Well yes, if you take the limbs away from a mech and add wheels, you're 3/4ths of the way to having a tank. What's you're point?

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Is this good mech design?

>>388541047
Why do you think they bleed when they get hit? They also have their own personalities and influence the pilots thoughts.

They are still constructs, but so advanced that they are effectively living things.

I bet you also didn't realize that the EVA's were given souls by sacrificing a human life, and that each EVA has the soul of the pilot's mother (or no soul in Rei's case).

>>388541228

The issue with mechs is that you people seem to think they are powered by magic and that gravity and inertia doesn't apply to them.

>>388541410
You can, but try using a helicopter in a city without having AA MANPADs locking on you from within buildings and see what happens. Or in a forest.

>>388541465
>add wheels
Why the fuck would you add wheels to something that can fly better than a fighter jet?

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>>388540995
You can hover at any height instead of landing.

>>388541228
>a single sandnigger with ancient rpg-7 runs around the corner and shoots
>500 mm RHA penetraton kill

This is basically the same argument as super robot vs real robot. Super robot wins every time in its own world because the rules make super robots better. Real robot wins in a real robot world because super robots can't even exist in a real robot world.

>>388541594
fuck

>>388541606
They pretty much are, that's the point of those settings where mechs rule over everything else. You're too dumb to realize people may be talking about fantasy and vidya and not about real life

>>388541631
Depending on how well it can fly, there are some places that flight can't take you.

>>388541272
But it looks like a tank, so it's a tank.

>>388541258
We are arguing with people who believe magic powered humanoid robots are real.

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>>388541606
Dinosaurs had inertia applied to them. They didn't die from falling over all the time though.

>>388541654
Can you hover in between buildings and power cables in a street? Or within trees?

>>388541665
>Implying sandniggers know how to use RPGs properly
Give me a fucking break. Also
>What is TROPHY active defense systems

>>388541532
>steal democratic of japan prototype
>repaint it with north japan commie colors
reeeee

>>388540652
But even in Gundam there are mobile suits that specialize in underwater, space or land combat.

>>388541665
If we're talking about Titanfall, they have energy shields and the lighter ones can very much dodge a rocket, by the time the second rocket is loaded the one that fire it will be turned in to 20mm swiss cheese

>>388541814
>real
In video games, yes. Real in video games.

>>388541731
Gundams are super robot.

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>>388541228
>tanks can't take cover

>Mech that has auto-targetting mortar launching weaponry/missile racks
There, tanks can't hide behind dunes and houses anymore.

>>388541865
Dinosaurs didn't weight as much as a mech of comparable size.
Steel's heavy as shit yo

>>388541759

Then what's the point of discussing it if you will insist that tanks will follow real world logic and mechs can be made up as you go? In order to adequately compare them you need to nail down what rules apply to both parties. If real world rules apply mechs will be slow, expensive and weak. If fantasy rules apply all the tech that goes into a mech would be adapted to tanks as well, though tanks would never be invented in the first place in such a ludicrous universe.

>>388542007
not him but that pic is concealment, you can very much see the bottom of the tank

>>388542007
You'd be a fucking retard to send tanks into a city.
Also, see >>388542056

>>388542140
Steel is not the only metal we have, you know. We have Tungsten and Titanium and their alloys, which are all much lighter than Steel.

>>388541960
>dodging RPG flying at 300m/s
By doing 100g maneuver and effectively killing the pilot? That's not how physics work.

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>>388542172
Ok, now try to imagine the folliage is hard cover, wow mindblown!

>>388542157
>would be adapted to tanks as well
By that time tanks wouldn't be tanks anymore. You cannot call a bow a handgun.

>>388542005
Exactly. The anons arguing for tanks are essentially arguing for a real robot. It makes no sense to argue gundam vs tank because that universe is governed by super robot rules, where real robots (or tanks) are inferior because they lack what makes the mech a "super" robot.

>>388542056
>Soldiers that have auto-targetting mortar launching weaponry/missile racks
>There, mechs can't hide behind dunes and houses anymore.

>>388542368
If you had a pic of hard cover why not use it instead you fucking retard.

>>388531564
ffffffffff

>>388542140
Almost no mech uses steel.
They all use magic fantasy lighter and stronger than titanium metal.

in Gundam universes they are space weapons and in GOOD gundam universes face significant challenges fighting on earth

for obvious reasons they are better in space than tanks

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>>388542368
Are you implying people fight over wide open areas full of nothing these days? This isn't fucking WWI anymore, buddy. Cities, forest and mountains have much higher value.

>>388531564

cooler

>>388542469
>Infantry can destroy armor of any kind with the right equipment
Wow, what a revelation.

>>388534468
because children dont buy tank toys

>>388540181
>fly
tank shape is more compact, has a better center of gravity and is more aerodynamic than a mech, neither shape inherently generates lift
thus controlling a tank will be significantly easier when boosters capable of flight are added
>evade
see above: better flight, better agility, better dodging
>move faster
threads>legs

>>388542289
I'll give you that one but there's still the energy shield, trophy sistem, Reactive armor, and whatever kind Sci fi shit applicable on the setting

>>388542289
>By doing 100g maneuver and effectively killing the pilot?
>laughingdrones.jpg

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>>388542368
>Fighting in the open in plain sight
Enjoy the bombs, groundie.

>>388542697
Way to move the goalpost

>>388542697
What's the point of having super expensive mechs, where you can buy cheap APC to carry said infantry for a fraction of the price?

>>388534323
>given access to the technology that was used to build a gundam you could build another vehicle far superior to the gundam
>so the hypothetical gundam tech tank would beat the gundam
Guntank is shit.
Zaku Tank is shit.
Hidolfr is shit.

>>388542881
You're the one who moved the goalpost, dumbass. A tank can be killed by infantry all the same. The point is at least a mech could have the same equipment, not just a main gun and a coax.

>>388542546
Why they don't use that alloy to make tonks?
>>388542439
Wasn't the Gundam (at least the original one) strong because of a new alloy that nobody had at first?
And i remember a short (or a scene) where some Zakus (i think) were clowned pretty hard by a tank brigade

>>388542717
This is a joke right?
Tank toys > mech toys.
Kids might think transformer toys are cool but classic army men with a few tanks in a sandbox is unbeatable.

>>388542968
Not even him.

>>388542562
thing is: there is absolutely and utterly no conceivable reason to use a weapons platform that needs to be capable of fighting both in space and on earth
user tanks on earth and cigars in space
no need for mechs

>>388542789
And you can place all that shit on a tank or toyota truck covered in steel plates.

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>>388531564
>Convince me why are mechs better tan tanks.
I can't. Tank-tans are fucking awesome.

>>388542917
You are aware APCs are dogshit, right? Less armor than an IFV, insignificant weaponry, and it needs actual support to go anywhere without being blown up.

>>388542978
Lunar titanium alloy.
Stupid rare, stupid expensive and stupid strong.
If the RX-78-2 didn't have Lunar Titanium Amuro would have died in episode 1 of MSG

>>388542917
In future even the military is funded through Patreon or it's future successor and people really like dem mechs.

A Mech can be beaten by anything modern militaries have at their disposal.

>Cities
Infantry with anti-armour.

>Forests
Infantry and light armoured vehicles with anti-armour.

>Underwater
Infantry, depth charges, submarines

>Open Areas
Infantry, tanks, artillery, planes, helicopters, missiles, bombs and everything else.

Whatever advantages a mech has can and will be trumped by whatever we have today, effectively making mechs completely useless.

Actually no, worse than useless, a fucking waste of time money and resources.

>>388542996
when I was a kid we used our army men and tanks as the infantry with the transformers and similar as the commanders/superweapons

>>388543165
if the alloy is super expensive and super rare wouldn't it make more sense to use a combat low surface area to volume shape like a tank than a complex one like a mech?

My dad can beat up your dad.

>>388531564
Well, if were talking about mechs with bullshit magic abilities that allow them to fly around at the speed of light, have impenetrable armour, and shoot railguns that can pierce all the way down into the core of the earth, then no, tanks can't possibly compete.

The more """realisitc""" mechs are just giant, walking, caskets though. Blow its legs off and it'll come toppling down, most likely in an unfavourable position which will render it completely useless until a team of engineers comes in to replace the legs. Meanwhile, a tank's treads are far easier to replace on the field and even if we assume that the tank is permantly immobilised, it will still remain in a far more favourable position that can continue to provide counter fire unless you somehow manage to flip it on its head.

>>388543303
If you can only make one thing you might as well make it the coolest thing possible

>>388543383
So VOTOMS?

>>388543437
my point was that instead of 1 thing they could have made 3 things

>>388543202
Following your logic, infantry can beat anything. Why even make any vehicles? Infantry and traps will just blow up everything.

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>>388543187
>In future even the military is funded through Patreon

>>388543383
Pretty much. But yeah in proper gundam settings mechs are better for fighting in space and they aren't as good on the ground

>>388543303
Nigger that isn't even the point.
The RX-78-2 was a fucking PROTOTYPE!
WHO THE FUCK PUTS SOMETHING LIKE LUNAR TITANIUM ARMOR ON SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE OUTDATED IN A YEAR! HOLY FUCK.
seriously. They used the og Gundam to gather information on stuff and things to start mass producing the GM which out preforms the Gundam in almost every way EXCEPT MAH SUPAH POWAHFUL ARMOR.

>>388543512
But gundams are infantry, just 100 times taller

>>388543383
>favourable position
Explain why won't the Mech have a favorable position, with its legs out of commision he can still clutch his weapon

>>388543137
APC is 10 times better at carrying infantry than mech and is faster, while having the same ammount of armor (or even more). Try again.

>mech series
>villain has a superweapon he's building up the entire series
>rumors are it has a weapon that invalidates the magic space metal armors
>everyone expects it to be some kind of super-mech or massive orbital cannon
>weapon is finally unleashed
>it's a swarm of cheap autonomous drones equipped with the armor penetrating weapon
>doesn't matter if they only get a 1 to 5 k/d ratio, they cost 1/100th of a mech to produce

could it work?

>>388543645
If it has arms and legs and is piloted, it's a mech.

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Get in the fucking robot already, tankfags

>>388531564
>mechs vs tanks
Idiots keep bringing up rolfcopters

>>388543687
A mech supporting infantry takes advantage of its higher angle of view and shoots the APC. APC explodes and so does everyone inside and behind it.
Try again.

>>388543646
because it's fallen flat on it's face and it's it now has at best a 20° range of fire

tank retains 360° as well as ascension

>>388543639
Prototypes can be more costly higher specced versions of the mass production model.
Like console devkits.

>>388543512
That's just it, with the right equipment infantry CAN beat anything. Vehicles are just tools after all; sometimes used to transport infantry, sometimes used to destroy infantry and other times to boost the defense of objectives.

Its a never ending weapons race with vehicles being armed to kill infantry while infantry is being armed to counter new threats.

If you were to drop a mech into this arms race it'll be chewed apart by both sides.

>>388543750
Sure, right up to the point they brought out the Flak

>>388543687
Also, quit moving the goalposts because the original point was never about carrying infantry, you sperg.

>>388543903
the mech being a massive target also gets shot by a single RPG from the APC and explodes
the APC cost 250k, the mech 5 billion

>>388543750
Mech uses it's inbuilt super beam cannon, the pilot overcharges it with pure hot blood causing it to become 646216541641654614614535435132554940979746468101222122589 times more powerful and destroys the entire drone army with a single beam weep

>>388543770
Well then if you take out the treads and make it multi purpose then it's not a tank anymore

>>388535015
No, you see, Kaiju counter tanks. Always. A Kaiju can only be defeated by:
>Another kaiju
>A giant robot
>A new experimental type of weapon used as a last resort

>>388543913
Why can't he use the arms to lift himself / cawl to a mora advantagious position / put himself in a position were he can have more than 20º range of fire?

>>388543903
>higher angle of view
So a bigger profile that makes it a perfect target for any anti-tank weaponry, while APC hides behind the trenches.

>>388543954
All of your situationals insinuate the mechs are gonna be slow/static targets waiting to be shot, not being accompanied by any supporting infantry or vehicles on their side. Guess what? Any vehicle can get destroyed if they're by themselves against an entire combat group.
Maybe you should stop being retarded sometime.

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Out of my way you tank fucking shits.

>>388543750
Sure for 11 episodes if we're talking about one cour.
In episode 12 hot blooded MC with his nerdy hacker sidekick would would made it to the villain's drone command center and the villain would fall and the drones would stop killing, get a nekomimi upgrade and childish personalities later.

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>>388536627
>Fafner
muh nig, are you there?

>>388544047
unknown to him the drone army uses mind uplink technology and is being controlled by the very best pilots in their army allowing them to move with enough agility they can dodge the laser, get up close and blast the overconfident mech when it's immobile

it's a tragic moment and all because the superbeam was hyped up to hell and back and the mech's pilot was beloved by the fans, but the show just decided to take a major turn towards the darker end

>>388544010
>disembark several ATGM squads
>kill dozens of mechs for a fraction of a mech price

>>388544047
This. What kind of tank can house a weapon system that runs on emotions? Love, spiral power, and teen angst are more powerful than any kind of mundane weaponry.

>>388544247
>implying the beam isn't wide enough to do it anyway
Mech shows are retardedly fun

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHoCPtWaCtw
>when mechfags encounter reality

>>388543750
It worked in Gundam 00. Until the MC evolved into a higher level of a human being, and used his power to allow one of his allies to psychically hijack the drones

>>388531564
You ever see a tank with a bigass sword?

>>388544208
well that or in his last moments the villain unshackles the AI controlling the drones which is now super pissed the MC killed it's "father"

all depends on the type of show, lighthearted it doesn't take to long to defeat but if its a grim show it could be an "end of an era" sort of deal where the mech pilots take several season to finally find a way to get rid of the drones at a massive personal cost and several broken codes of ethics

>>388544156
Ah yes, I'm the retard here, how oblivious of me~

>>388531695
>tanks
>wheels
What the nig?

>>388544394
the beam is at first wide enough, but then it's revealed he only destroyed part of the drone army, the rest being sky dropped in while the superlaser is cooling down
you notice because the heroic music and awesome superlaser scene started playing halfway through the episode instead of right at the end

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>>388544046
>A mech 5 billion
Nice meme faggot. Also, a Stryker IFV costs 5 million a unit.

>>388544108
More like the mech and its supporting infantry engage vehicles from better cover, such as a city, and the mech just hides behind buildings to evade fire.

>>388544267
Thanks for telling me you don't know how long ATGMs take to set up and fire. They're defensive weapons, meant to be set up before an enemy force arrives.

>>388543645
infantry is cheap, stealthy, doesn't occupy much space.

>>388544721
>implying a mech wouldn't at the very least be F-35 levels of cost

>>388544596
Well, you are, and it's relevant to the discussion because it shows the flaws in your argument.

>>388544046
>mech 5 billion
Dude, B2 Bombers cost 2 Billion

>>388544160
>be tank
>go into urban sprawl
>gay helicopter can't loiter for more than an hour without refuelling
>turn off engine and wait for helicopter to leave
>helishitters

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>>388544798
>He thinks all the money invested into the F-35 actually went into the plane, not to multiple other projects people weren't told about
Where do you think Lockheed is getting money for this thing, kiddo? Fusion reactors aren't cheap.
http://www.lockheedmartin.com/us/products/compact-fusion.html

>>388544721
>hides behind buildings to evade fire
Hides from supersonic missiles lmao.

>ATGMs
>defensive weapons
>implying implications

>>388544968
and given a mech would be vastly more complex than a B2 that's a reasonable cost

mechanical articulation is one of the most complex engineering problems out there

>>388545072
>supersonic missiles
what the actual fuck are you talking about?
Besides, why wouldn't a mech have a fighter jet's lock-on warning system?
Also yes, ATGMs are defensive weapons, you retard. If they were so easily set up and ready for launch in offensives, tanks would be fucking extinct by now.

>>388543383
>destroyed legs on a mech equals destroyed tracks on a tank
That's like equating a broken engine to a flat tire.

>>388544798
>>388545039
lol I'm shiposting from work at LM right now. Main cost in the F-35 is custom engineering. Everyone gets the base frame but tons of different mods for different customers. Everything has to be reengineered for those, and that means paying a massive team of highly payed engineers along with all the other stuff. The planes themselves don't cost that much.

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>>388544721
Not him but I don't agree with that aspect
>More like the mech and its supporting infantry engage vehicles from better cover, such as a city, and the mech just hides behind buildings to evade fire.
That city would get obliterated by tank shelling from their formation outside of infantry firing range. Secondly TROPHY systems beat out most anti tank methods except bombings and AT rounds but seeing as how the tanks and Mechs have about the same level of armor they would be using that mostly anyway.

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>>388545105
>mechanical articulation is one of the most complex engineering problems out there
Not really. A fucking Bagger 288 costs only 100 million. Not even in the billion ballpark. Hell, the development of the Abrams tank cost over one fucking billion dollars, and each unit costs 10 million nowadays.

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>>388544674
Bruh

>>388545437
>That city would get obliterated by tank shelling
I seriously hope you don't believe this.
Also, ATGMs have longer range than tanks. A Javelin has an operational range of 500km, while an Abrams' main gun has only 426km.

Mechs are better than tanks, just under very, very specific circumstances. Assuming we are only talking about warfare on Earth then mechs are useless

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>>388531564

>>388545830
and the bagger 288 doesn't have to emulate a full range of human motions
and given the Abrams is ancient technology and mechs would require a shitload of technology that doesn't even exist yet, then yes it would be a billion a piece project at the very least

They'd have to be about the size of a person to be viable. The tank is almost obsolete. A person sized mech would allow a soldier to carry more equipment or heavier ordanence.

>>388543202
>Underwater
>Infantry
Explain

>>388545403
>implying hypersonic anti-tank missiles aren't already in active development
>implying ATGM is the only anti-tank weapon
>implying there are no light fire and forget ATGMs
>implying mechs can survive even old and slow TOW
>implying you can hide from the parachute suspended smart munitions with passive scanning arrays and explosively formed penetrator charges
>implying hard kill protection can stop any EFP submunitions
>implying mechs have any armor at all to survive high even high caliber autocanon

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>>388546078
>emulate a full range of human motions
Oh yeah, articulation must be so hard to figure out.
By the way, pic related costs $80,000 at best.

>>388546394
>stiff, slow, unarmored
Just like my Gundam!

>>388546394
>ups
>flings the fucking package
Sounds about right

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>>388546316
>implying hypersonic anti-tank missiles aren't already in active development
As if you couldn't put those on a mech.
>implying ATGM is the only anti-tank weapon
It's the most effective one.
>implying there are no light fire and forget ATGMs
Name one. Any ATGM that requires a crew of at least two people is not "light" in any way, neither are ATGMs man-portable.
>implying mechs can survive even old and slow TOW
Tanks can't survive TOWs either, but at least a mech can take cover faster than a tank in a urban environment.
>implying you can hide from the parachute suspended smart munitions
Well, you can. Ever seen what a city looks like?
>passive scanning arrays
You mean pic related? A bit big and costly to put on anything that isn't a plane, don't you think?
>Explosively formed penetrator charges
Right, those things that can kill pretty much any armored vehicle and aren't exactly easy to hide unless you make them small enough not to be a threat at all.

>>388544068
and trains combined with firetrucks

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>>388546838
kek

>>388546838

thatsthejoke.webm

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>>388544993
Sounds like a good way to take an ATGM to the face.

>>388546782
>Mechanical arm that stops to scan packages with precise movements and doesn't have any armor on for obvious fucking reasons
Good try, single-digit.

>No armor
Oh right it's not like they're made to be able to lift things bigger than them or anything.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMSj9w2UcdM
Oh, wait.

Why on earth would you use a ground based vehicle when you can just attack from orbit?

>>388536436
Isn't that used for melting snow and ice on runways/

>>388547324
Dude it still is stiff af compared to an organic arm and hands, also it is slow and relatively weak, if you want to get it up to mil specs you are going to have to invest a couple billions.

>>388547264
>rocket
>penetrating frontal armor
The tank is most likely still combat worthy, it's the sandnigs that get scared by the explosion and run away, i'd wish to see the exact same situation with a properly trained crew

>>388547456
It shoots giant plasma blasts.

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>>388545991
>I seriously hope you don't believe this.
I do but I don't know what you think this hypothetical city is made out of. Apparently vibranium and the grace of God
Secondly your argument for mech is abusive if you give them vidya/Anime tech and force others to defend status quo tech in a military engagement.
>Also, ATGMs have longer range than tanks. A Javelin has an operational range of 500km, while an Abrams' main gun has only 426km
I'm not saying tank tramples everything (especially things DESIGNED to counter tanks) but with as I mentioned earlier TROPHY systems create a near perfect counter to devices such as Javelin misses
>Mechs can use cover and tanks can't
Don't buy into this meme you're too smart because tanks can "pillar" with other objects to provide cover.

>>388547610
Oh, you mean like how these guys have already done it without spending billions?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIjdjZOkZr8&list=UUD5azmfUwUcfAvJn8jl1_eg
You luddites who think technology advancement only makes it harder to figure out are amusing.

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>>388547456
No, that's used for teaching fighter jets a lesson when they get cocky.

Tanks can't punch

>>388547948
>he never rammed into a T-34 with a panzer
laughingnazigilrs.jpeg

Tanks can't fly.

>>388547826
>I'm smart because I watch youtube tech commercials!
That isn't even close to what a mech would need anyway.

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>>388548142
you have much to learn, comrade.

>>388531564

They're a lot cooler.

Why are bipedal animals better than quadrupedal or animals with no legs?

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>>388538468
What if they pitted 50 tiger tanks against that thing, would they eventualy be able to overpower it, by hitting in the rear or just ramming it?

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>>388548142
OPEN WIDE MOTHERFUCKER! HERE COMES THE GODDAMN AIRPLANE!

>>388547781
>I don't know what you think this hypothetical city is made out of
They're not made out of paper that can be reduced to a parking lot by tanks in a day, that's for fucking sure.
>your argument for mech is abusive if you give them vidya/Anime tech
What anime tech. You meant tech that media has conceptualized and could very well become reality? Like how submarines, helicopters, atomic power, cellphones and tasers were all inspired by works of fiction? You have no idea how many things we have today have been inspired by those.
>TROPHY systems create a near perfect counter to devices such as Javelin misses
Are you implying a mech can't have those?
>Don't buy into this meme
I never said tanks can't take cover, but don't pretend mechs can't either.

>>388548485
DELET

>>388548462
A higher center of gravity and bipedal locomotion are inherently more energy efficient, because all you do is tip forward and catch yourself as you fall. Gravity does most of the work. It's why very few animals can keep up with humans over long distance.

>mech can move 300km/h sideways, jump, dive, fly, roll, get behind cover
<tanks can shooty and frutty
An obvious choice.

>>388548223
>You can't use new techologies that prove me wrong as an argument!
Sure thing buddy.
>That isn't even close to what a mech would need anyway.
Nice implication. As if they couldn't make a bigger, stronger design to fit as a mech's articulations. Also
>what is weigh distribution to multiple articulations

>>388548462
I don't know. Try fight a tiger and tell me.

>>388548119
nah, just stepped on it like poo

Mechs are also easier to operate, so they often only require a single pilot.

While tanks need an entire crew.

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>>388548492
>Tigers
Kek sure, granted they don't break down, get stuck in mud, or run out of fueld before they get to the action.

>>388548886
You sound like a butthurt American

>>388548964
Bruh
Tiger tanks were a technical nightmare. They broke down more often than they got killed.

>>388547165
By doing this he's only makes more work for himself

>>388548492
The abrams can shoot from much further range and with much more accuracy while moving sanic fast relatively speaking, it might run out of ammo though.

>>388548826
We're not inferior to felines in strength because we're bipedal you fucking lemming, we're weaker because our muscles attach to our joints in a way that gives less leverage, and the reason for that is because it gives us a finer degree of control over those joints, to manipulate tools which we can and do use to kill things like tigers.

>>388549050
Who gives a shit, it was a hypothetical situation.

Also just look at this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8vFGQ0uJQc

If this doesn't get you hard you're a huge fucking pussy.

Imagine how dominant they must have felt going head to head with a Sherman or something simmilar (only to get fucked up by the airforce after that but still)

>>388549189
Would it be able to penetrate the abrams from the rear or sides though?

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>>388549317
>Getting your facts from a fucking movie
>Getting your facts from a fucking BAD movie

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>>388548581
I agree with what you said about city destruction and cover for both tanks and mech and I'm definitely not saying that mech can't have TROPHY systems. In fact we agree on most things there's just a few sticking points.
>What anime tech. You meant tech that media has conceptualized and could very well become reality? Like how submarines, helicopters, atomic power, cellphones and tasers were all inspired by works of fiction? You have no idea how many things we have today have been inspired by those.
I'm aware of innovative designs leading to practical devices. My argument is that it is impossible to argue Mechs v. Tanks due to Mechs not existing or being unlikely to exist in the (at least) near future so Mechs are put in the major advantage of technological superiority which is why most references of Mechs in this thread is voiced specifically as "Gundamns".

>>388549491
>not recoginizing a joke
Kek you aspie

>>388544068
so, a tank with experimental ordnance.

>>388546394
>yo that a mighty fine parcel
>let me see you from anutha angle babygirl

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>>388548462
Ssssay that to my face humanlet and not online and ssssee what happenssss!

Why are there helicopters if you can just shoot them with missle from air? helifags btfo

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>>388547371
You only need knives though.

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>>388549563
Unlike your life, I don't run on jokes.

You guys arguing about tanks vs mechs are pretty dumb considering it's only a tank if it's on a metal track. If it hovers or whatever it's no longer a tank lol tanks are obsolete in a universe where there's mechs. You're talking about mobile weapons platforms and basically space ships, not tanks.

So yeah, where there's mechs nobody uses tanks because they're completely obsolete.

>>388549671
Even tanks can kill helis now, but people will say muh VTOL.

>>388549727
No, you don't get jokes, that's something different

>>388549665
Gas the snakes and gas the liggers

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>>388549532
I'm not really basing myself on weeb gundam stuff. I like my mechs probable, not flashy.

>>388531564
You can call in an orbital drop for your titan and then smash enemy pilots into a puddle of blood all while looking cool.
you can't do the same in a tank.

You can transform a Tank into a mecha and vice versa.
Probably too much effort for something faulty but still