Do you prefer DOOM or DOOM?

>>388515645
DOOM > DOOM

Prove me wrong. You can't.

>>388515761
But the opposite is true you fucking moron.

>>388515645
Everyone knows DOOM is the better game

DOom

>>388515645
Always thought the midriff looks fucking gay

>>388515645
who is the dude on the right running to doomguy?

>>388515995
it's doomguy

>>388515987
It is fucking gay.

The original, the new game is a disgrace

What if i want all the DOOM's?

I just noticed that there is a fireball being shot at Doomguy and not a muzzle flash from his gun.

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Step aside, plebs.

>>388515645
I prefer MOOM

>>388515645
The answer is DOOM
Fight me

>>388516372
DOOT

DooM, released in 1993, by iD Software, to MS DOS.

>>388516480
Go back to tumblr, you redditor.

>>388516515
xD

>>388515645
DOOM is good. Great levels, great music(Harbringer and Damnation are good shit), and overall a fun time. Especially love for how essentially being storyless, the stuff that doomslayer ends up doing really tells you his character

DOOM is miles better though, for the gameplay quality and for the sheer content that stretches on for miles. Discounting online and gameplay mods which are a whole other planet, from the top of my head you have Alien Vendetta, Speed of Doom, Hell Revealed series, Scythe series, Valiant, Ancient Aliens, Epic series, Going Down, Sunlust, Plutonia series, and Jenesis. Whatever type of DOOM you like, you will find it(slaughterwads, short adventures, tough but small on numbers), and that's what makes it better

>>388515645
>1 Shotgun Vs 2 guns

>>388515761
lol.

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>>388515761
>>388515809
>>388515840
>>388516567
HAHAHAHHAAH I GET IT,
CUZ THE GAME IS NAMED THE SAME!!!

>left
>fully armored
>is probably afraid of pain, keeps monsters at distance
>no teammate (probably died because this faggot can only look after himself)
>uses shotgun because it's close quarters combat and he's a fucking pussy
3/10 would not bang

>right
>exposed belly, most vulnerable part
>the only armored thing is chest plate
>a demon is grabbing him but he couldn't care less
>is not afraid of pain
>is not afraid to die
>uses SMG because he's badass
>is not afraid of melee combat, lets demons to come close
>his teammate is alive and hurries to help
>the enemies have ranged weapons, someone is throwing a fireball
>this guy will fight til his last breath, go to hell and wreck the place
10/10 would bang

This is objectively right and you will only disagree for the sake of being a contrarian cunt.

>>388515645
>Hayden in the background on DOOM
How have I never noticed that before?

>>388515645
DOOT is pretty much the best you could with a modern shooter, i hope it sets the example for future games to follow, but DooM will be always the king, it pretty much gave a name to the genre and it's level design remains unmatched, something not even DooM II couldn't get right.

Doom 64 is better than Doom II

>>388515645
The right. No nostalgia glasses involved.

The one on the right shows both power and struggle. He is slaughtering demons while being dragged down by one, his clothes are torn and his skin is shredded. There is a clear effort by the demons reaching out to him to kill him. He is clearly mortal and his comrade in the background cares about him. This is what it should be like to play doom. You slay demons at the risk of losing your life.

The left is just some dude in full armor with a bunch of demons standing around waiting to be shot. A good representation of the AI in new Doom.

>>388517005
This. Doom II is a glorified map pack.

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Duke Nukem > Doom.

>>388516624
fuck off back to school so you can learn not to show your autism in public

>>388517191
At least it had the super shotgun and the Icon of Sin, and a couple cool new enemies. The maps weren't nearly as fun as 1.

>>388515645
MOOM vs. DOOD who wins

modded DOOM>D44M

>>388517191
>>388517276
no

I like all of the dooms, even the SNES one.

>>388517358
DOOD on the left and MOOM on the right

>>388517276
Nope, not even mega contrarians would claim this. Duke Nukem level design falls flat so baddly it fuckin hurts, some maps feel like afucking chore more than a challenge and gunplay isn't that grand either.

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>>388517385
Yes.

>>388515645
nudoom have worse grafical design and music is meh.

I prefer Doom 2

>>388517381
Ultimate Doom > Doom 64 > D44m > Doom II

I really want a part in a doom game where you fight a bunch of demons on top of a small rock

>>388515987
It's like that because it's been torn away, look at the guy in the background. His midriff isn't exposed.

>>388517276
in the hands of Randy Pitchford, Duke is now hitting on trannies on twitter now.

>>388517517
lol

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I actually thought Doom 3 was good

What is the problem with numbered sequels? Why not name it DOOM 4?

I think both are good games for different reasons.
The original pathed the way for FPS as a whole. It's still fun, it's still fast, and it's still pure.
New DOOM does a good job of reimagining classic doom for the modern world, and especially the current game climate. Obviously, this comes with some 'slights' to the original game - things like runes and weapon mods. A necessary evil, in my opinion, that doesn't taint the game. In fact, I agree with the decision. It offers more choice (which people like) and more variety without adding a nauseating amount of weapons.

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>>388516360
>it's just a twin stick shooter
>no actual levels
I'll stick with Smash TV or Robotron.

>>388517625
gb to reddit, underage fuck

>>388517276
I prefer HeXen to both of those/

Neo doom is pussy fps made for people who cannot think

>>388517649
It was okay, resurrection of evil was great.

>>388515645
I like DOOM, But DOOM's cool too.

>>388517670
I think it has something to do with two things:
A, DOOM 3/4 aren't actually the 3rd/4th games in the series.
B, Helps distance itself (a pure action game) from DOOM 3 (a survival horror game)

>>388517649
Doom 3 has lots of problems but overall it gets a pass and it's still better than the new game somehow

>>388517756
as if classic doom was a strategy game lmao

>>388517704
Heretic > Hexen

>>388517347
All those were good aditions, but really lacking the detail and consitency on the maps and their progression of the first game really made me feel like i was playing a community map pack instead of a full game, also some of the Doom II maps have some very basic design, literally beginner square rooms and shapes, first doom at least has some architecture and complexity on it.

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>>388515645
>Do you prefer DOOM or DOOM?
HUH

>>388516069
>Not doomdude
Whatever happened to that guy?

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>>388515645
I prefer

>>388517307
>Didn't get the most obvious bait of the year
>Calls other people autistic


"GEEZ I KNOW I'M IN A SPECIAL CLASSROOM BUT EVERYBODY JUST SEEMS LIKE A COMPLETELY DUMMY ROUND HERE"

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>>388515645
>Game
>Game 2
>Game: Subtitle
>Game 3
>GAME

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>>388515645
I like both
I also like Doom II, Final Doom, Doom 3, Duke Nukem' 3D, Blood, Heretic, Hexen, and Quake

>>388515645
Ultimately I prefer the original but D44M was also really great too.

I thought nuDoom was okay, had enough fun and playtime that I thought it was worth buying on sale for $20.

Was it a proper Doom game? No, but I didn't expect it to be anyways and anybody who did is/was retarded.

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>>388518224
>he actually fell for it

>>388518460
You ever think we'll ever get a proper doom game again?

>>388516591
>2 guns
Nani?

High Noon Drifter

>>388517452
Not him but Douk's level design is probably the only one that's at least on oar with Doom's.

>>388517986
I agree. I just finished Ultimate and II and I'm most of the way through 64 right now, and the differences between the quality for the maps in each game is noticeable

>>388518460
>>388518517
We'll probably never get a 'proper' doom game. You can't retread old ground as a big developer, and there's no point for the average indie developer to make a doom clone because it's incredibly redundant. DOOM (classic) exists, and it's incredibly easy to get all the doom wads and a sourceport and etc.

>>388516760
There isn't hayden in the background, if you're talking about that figure the lower left of doomguy that's a demon zoom more and you'll see it

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>>388518696
Is fun.

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>>388518915
i think he means this

>>388519024
That's a doot's rocket chest thing

>>388519024
That's a revenant shoulder cannon

>>388517985
Heretic is top tier but Hexen beats it.

>>388519098
How are the two different? I played Hexen for the first time this summer, pretty great game.

>>388517452
what the fuck
original doom1&2 don't have level design, it's literally babbys first map all over
some douk levels were bad, some were good

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>>388515645
I prefer
>pic related

>>388518662
The SMG and his fist.

>>388518749
It's really not. Like some maps are actually good but there is also some really bad and pointless levels, maps have good detail but the design and pace is simply uninspired and even tedious at times, even the more complex levels will never be as fun to play or have same replayablity as the original Doom maps which are more simple.

>>388518517

Maybe in VR, otherwise fuck no.

>>388519254
>VR
That would be a massive step backwards.

>>388519254
>Mooooom this isn't a headset!

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>>388517517
>nudoom have worse grafical design

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>>388519213
>>388519373
>bought shitty tshirt with this design
>look into mirror
>read MOOD
>lose my shit

>>388519163
Despite Hexen being Heretic's sequel they're two completely different games. Since you played Hexen I don't need to explain, but Heretic is so similar to Doom in terms of gameplay it could pass for a user wad; it's basically Doom with a fantasy setting and an inventory system.

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Alright /v/, out of the 3 biggest build engine games, which do you like the most?

>Duke Nukem 3D
>Shadow Warrior
>Blood

My vote goes to Blood outta the 3 though. Shame about no updated released like the other 2.

Though honestly quake beats them all. Also my opinion is objectively shit.

Strife beats all

>>388519287

By the current standards for VR games--i.e shitty and boring with bad controls--then yeah, sure.

Once we get some actually good VR hardware & games though then it would be a different story, and how better to do that than with an actually good Doom VR game that drops all the dumb shit nuDoom did?

Imagine arguably the most iconic PC game of all time also setting the stage for actually GOOD VR games.

It could happen.

>>388519254

Also I forgot to mention Bethesda would probably need to be out of the picture.

DOOM is better.

Fucking faggots don't know a good game when they see it.

I bet you haven't even played DOOM either...

>>388519693
>Once we get some actually good VR hardware & games though then it would be a different story,
It won't happen in our lifetime. It will remain as a fad for decades.

>>388519479
That's pretty much how I was describing Hexen to people already, it's "fantasy Doom with big mazes and puzzles". I might have to check it out then.

anyone played metadoom?

>>388519645
Duke. Best levels, weapons, and character.

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>>388519168
>original doom1&2 don't have level design, it's literally babbys first map all over
lol, No.

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I want to get into playing the older ID games like Doom and Hexen and Heretic and stuff, but how do I do this properly?

I've had a fair amount of experience playing normal doom through steam, no other launcher or whatever that stuff is called. I played without using a mouse, keyboard only, not sure if that's normal. Mouse control seemed kinda garbage.

I keep hearing about things like gzdoom or zdoom or whatever. Can someone give me a rundown on what exactly I should download to enjoy these games the best? Is it against the original spirit of the game to play with a mouse?

>>388519817

I predict that once people see the current VR hardware sucks--and that space limitations for home systems are a problem--there will be some serious consideration for VR arcades for more practical solutions.

Arcades are how gaming as we know it really started, I bet it'll be the same thing for actually serious VR too.

>>388519840
Yeah I'd never describe Hexen as fantasy Doom, gives off the wrong impression and I've noticed Hexen is an incredibly polarizing game.

Doom 4 fans consist of 2 groups, those who were not alive when Doom was released and those bandwagoners 'faux 'nerd' who latch on to the biggest thing around who love marvel/dc capeshit, big bang theory and wearing problem glasses.

Both of these groups are absolute scum.

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>>388520058
Go to the Doom threads at /vr/, they probably even have links and shit on the OP.

>>388520058
>duke
Eduke + duke nukem megaton edition(pirated)

>>388519865
Yes, and like most other mods made by that guy, ammo starvation happens quickly. Thank fuck for that pistol hitting like a freight train and having infinite ammo.

>>388520058
pretty sure romero said doom was built around using a mouse.

>>388520058
Mouse was designed with Doom since day one, only retards didn't realise you had to manually boot up the mouse drivers to begin with, thus the perception that "keyboard only" was the authentic experience.'

>>388520252
This barely happens to me, since the mod is meant to keep up with the core gameplay, specially when you get inventory items like the telsa grenade.

>>388518940
Hot in more than 1 way

>>388517276
HAHAHAH
No
Heretic = Doom > Hexen = Blood > Duke Nukem > Shadow Warrior

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>>388517276
Dick kickem

>>388520171
There are 2 kinds of Doom fans, those who like the series because they appreciate good games and those who are simply limited-taste nostalgia fanboy babies who think playing Doom back then means having good taste but never really knew why the classics were good in the first place, so they think if it's not a clone of the first game it should be bad, being ignorant of what the new game did well.

Guess what group worthless scum like you belongs to?

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>>388520529
>rating hexen over duke and shadow warrior
I'd agree if it wasn't for these fuckers and ONE EIGHTH OF THE PUZZLE HAS BEEN SOLVED

>>388520171
That kind of description fits with Brutal Doom, when you realize it's the Doom equivalent of people who not only joke about Link's name and gender, but also want him to be a girl or have Zelda as the "badass princess" main character.
Eventually, something like glory kills and Linkle happen, only for people act like it isn't good enough, while Aaron Diaz and Sgt Mark act like they were the ones who came up with a female Link and fatalities in Doom.

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Is it just me who still remembers all the sounds from games like quake perfectly, even years after playing the games?

>That grenade bouncing effect
>Those grunts from enemies
>The chainsaw revving
>The button presses
>The projectiles
>The grunts of pain
>The HUGH jumping

I didn't even play it that much yet it's ingrained in my skull.

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>>388518015
the only right anwser here

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>>388520780
Don't forget the sissy yells when you fall into lava and bu-beep of messages

>>388520829
HUH

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>>388515645
I prefer MOOOOM

I think we can all agree on something. And that's that if you believe Doom 3 is better than 4 in ANY WAY, you are a contrarian faggot.

>>388520947
The expansion was top notch though

>>388520058
>>>/vr/doom
Ctrl+f v8 until you get a "so you want to play some doom" image. That's the latest one.

>>388520947
Pretty much, the hipsters of the Doom fanbase. That game was irredeemable, boring garbage. Linear level design, shit gunplay, slow combat, mediocre half-life wanna be story. Only thing that 3 got right was the MP.

>>388520665
Corridor shooter with locked arenas where you are forced to kill all enemies to proceed does not make for a good Doom game.

The gameplay, despite being touted as a return to the "old days" is substantially slower and is based around the brutal doom execution mechanic, which slows gameplay down even more.

Even the start of Doom 4 sets the wrong tone, An average player would get through the first 2 levels of Doom before you've even left the tutorial area in Doom 4.

Which one are you though, are you a kid or are you a moron who thinks just because it has a big name attached to it, makes it a good game? Because one of those can be forgiven slightly.

>>388520529
>Heretic
Whats the best way to play it nowadays? Looks good.

>>388520947
>in ANY WAY

Doom 4 is the overall better game, but Doom 3:

Has better environments, D4 UAC is a fucking joke compared to D3

Has some better monster designs (e.g. former humans)

Has a better Doomguy

Has a better pump shotgun

Has a better story

Has better music (the ambient tunes are much better than the cacophony of Doom 4)

>>388520947
It's not better than Doom 4, but it was still pretty fun to play

>>388521463
>Ambient tunes

Damn right
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ab_2RNaSWyc

>>388521341
Oh fuck off Grandpa
Go cry on /vr/

>>388521185
>Only thing that 3 got right was the MP.
and the chainsaw.

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>>388515645
>not liking MOON
pfff plebs

>>388520947
Doom 3 was a departure from what made the series great, largely because Carmack was over making "quick" engines and had a hard on for lighting at the time, so Doom 3 had more of a horror focus as it's the best way they could maximise the lighting engine.

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>>388521463
>better doomguy
>limp wristed human with a fist weaker than Doom 1 and 2
>slower
>needs a flashlight to see in the dark

>Has a better pump shotgun
>shotgun has such a massive spread that it's classified as a melee weapon

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>>388521586
>anon brings up good points
>replies with an insult
Well done, you sure proved him wrong.

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>>388521586
Go to your room, child

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>>388521341
>Corridor shooter with locked arenas where you are forced to kill all enemies to proceed does not make for a good Doom game.
None of the locked arenas is a fucking corridor, there is hardly any fighs in corridors, go replay the game or stop talking crap you have no idea about. Level design is far more complex to anything we have seen in shooters over the last 10 years The arenas are actually pretty well designed with enough verticality, good pace and some are actually challenging. The whole "does not make for a good Doom game." is pretty much just claiming your taste is so limited you can't appreciate a game unless it isn't a literal clone.

>Which one are you though, are you a kid or are you a moron who thinks just because it has a big name attached to it, makes it a good game? Because one of those can be forgiven slightly.
I'm a person which appreciates good shooters, regardless what name they have on or who develops them or which era they come from. I'm the kind of person fanboys like you simply hate for being actually objective and free of bias.

How's DOOM III BFG Edition™?

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Doom for me. Finished it 10+ times. I've not even got a few hours into D44M. It's so boring and tedious. No bosses. No fun.

>>388522014
See now that's how you bring up a counterpoint. Most of which I agree with.
I still prefer the flow of the classic doom games though, and I feel Doom 4's weapon upgrades actually bite you in the ass if you want to start over for any reason, because then your guns kinda suck.

The recharging grenades are fucking dope though.

>>388522052
Shit, just play the original with mods.

>>388522080
>No bosses
?

>>388522131
But it's 3 buckerinos and includes I&II

>>388522226
Those versions are a little fucked though, with some censorship and sound issues.

>>388515645
I loved DOOM as a child and DOOM is a good sequel to DOOM

>>388515645
They both kick ass but new DOOM still doesn't feel brutal enough they can go farther and faster and meaner. I believe in them otherwise I really liked it however
>60GB
it's fucking stupid

>>388522215
There are some bosses, but not enough.

>>388522226
1 and 2 are basically free at this point, the .wads are almost publicly available and they're much better in GDoom or your preferred .wad loader.

Not worth the fuckery they did with 3.

DOOM (1993)
>speed and movement
>weapons
>level design
>art design
>soundtrack

Doom (2016)
>technically impressive graphics

gee wiz mister

>>388515761
fpbp

>>388521463
>He thinks Doom3guy is better then the original Doomguy

>>388516624
Wow you're so cool. You must be the joke master. No fun allowed everyone close the thread because joke-king is here

>>388522514
DOOM (1993)
>nostalgia

Doom (2016)
>graphics
>weapons
>levels
>art design
>soundtrack
>movement
>enemy design

I hate nostalgiafags with a burning passion.

>>388522514
>Soundtrack
Huh? Doom 93 was just a rip-off of metal songs from the time

>>388522514
D44m have All of that nigga...heck you talk about moviment D44M let you double jump for fuck sake

>>388516360
that was my shit 10 years ago. Loved the Perks and the variety of weapons.

>>388522957
>nostalgia
I didn't start playing DOOM until I was 20 like 5 years ago
>weapons
Doom 2016 fucks up by making ammo capacity so small you HAVE to use the chainsaw or finishers to replenish. In DOOM you have more than enough ammo for all of your weapons from pick ups and shoot monsters from beginning to end. Not to mention that the hotkeys are completely fucking broken, not allowing multiple weapons to be applied to the same number. I want to hit 3 to toggle between shotty and super shotty. fuck you 2016 Doom
>levels
Doom 2016 has just arenas with absolutey no encounter design whatsoever. It's boring as fuck and traversing the levels from beginning to end is entirely linear. I DOOM you have to go in different directions, backtrack (very small amounts) and unlock doors and change rooms so that they're different the second time around. Not to mention the way that monsters are placed to have hand crafted encounters from beginning to end. DOOM has some of the best encounter design in any game ever made
>art design
mars looks boring as fuck in Doom 2016 and the military installations are just a dull dark grey without any interesting futurism applied to it like the original. Hell is definitely better but even then has too few colors to impress me
>soundtrack>>388523098
yeah it had a lot of ripoffs of metal songs but those songs were still better than the wub wub stuff of 2016. I mean I stil liked the new soundtrack but it's not as good as the old one. And even then the original songs STILL kick so much ass. Find me a song from 2016 Doom that gets you more pumped up than this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlWDSvNSzlA
>movement>>388523335
Doom 2016 is too fucking slow, end of story. Just because it's faster than Halo doesn't mean that it's not slow.

>>388515645
yes

>>388523641
>wub wub stuff
Entire opinion discarded.

>>388522014
>None of the locked arenas is a fucking corridor, there is hardly any fighs in corridors
Either you lack reading comprehension or you are a moron. I clearly stated they were two different things. Going from one set peice locked arena to another is typically done with a narrow corridor filled with fodder enemies that you can execute to help you prepare for the next locked arena.

The reason why I point it out is that that's the only major difference the game has in level design to the procedually generated games which follow the same locked arena formula, like Paranautical Activity, Ziggurat or Immortal Redneck which came after it.

>he arenas are actually pretty well designed with enough verticality, good pace and some are actually challenging.
And again, locked arenas which you had to kill all enemies to progress were used extremely sparingly in Doom, really only limited to Boss levels in fact. So the design of them is largely irrelevant.

>The whole "does not make for a good Doom game." is pretty much just claiming your taste is so limited you can't appreciate a game unless it isn't a literal clone.

Their whole marketing gimmick was based around a return to the classic days of FPS. If you are going to promote your game as such, you'd think they would aim for a similar type of game. People will shit on Doom 3 for taking a massive departure from the series roots, but will praise Doom 4 despite taking just as big as a departure.

DOOM 1993 is alright but DOOM 2016[/spoiler[ is way better.

>>388523801
it is wub wub stuff though. The soundtrack is like numetal meats industrial. It's not classic 80's heavy metal. I prefer the original DOOMs music not just because of taste/genre but because they were written as individual songs to repeat per level rather than the kind if "intelligent" music system of Doom 2016 where the music is designed to be background stuff and dynamically change to fit the scenario.

>>388522407
>Not worth the fuckery they did with 3.
Like what?

>>388524058
>it is wub wub stuff though
I prefer the original music too but you're wrong.

>>388524250
wub wub is not a genre. wub wub is what it sounds like to me. You can't tell me that I can't use the onomatapoeia of "wub wub" to describe Doom 2016s music

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>>388519645
Only Caleb

>>388524321
'Wub wub' is used to describe dubstep, nothing more. D44M's music is objectively not dubstep.

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>>388524321
It's all sneep snorps to me. You can't deny it.

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>>388520780
>tfw kaz is to busy discussing humanism to update is fucking comic

>>388522957
>>art design
Its shit, demons are bland as fuck.

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>>388520529
Blood >>>>> all

fixed

>>388524957
golly gee, crouching sure is difficult

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>>388524957

>>388524957
>>388525037
Can cultists not see you when you crouch?

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>>388524471
>>388523641
>>388524321
Invest in fucking proper speakers/headphones instead of shoving every cent into gaming rig

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>>388525037

>>388525010
play the game.

>>388525109
The ai bugs out if you crouch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2jvANh2aEc

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>>388523641
>>388524796
also, here's the evidence for the original DOOMs stellar and timeless art design

>>388525216
D44M was seriously missing some FIREBLU

>>388525109
they can see you but have less chance of hitting. one enemy in the game is physically incapable of hurting you when you crouch though.

If you think DOOM is better than DOOM you should probably kill yourself.

I still play Brutal Doom to this day.

Nothing matches the pure visceral immediacy.

>>388525314
mandatory (You) for mentioning Brutal Doom
seriously though fucking kill yourself

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>>388524957
>>388525037
>>388525125
>Bloodfag is here

>>388525314
Brutal doom was shit until he released the 2016 weapon addons that made weapons not useless worse versions of the original and and fucked the pacing of the game by having overlong enemy death animations and executions

the newest one looks to be the first one that might actually be fun right from the get-go

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>>388518224
>ewefag

>>388525314
is cool but the whole reload kills the pacing, i still playing it sometimes

>>388515645
Left DOOM
>alien demons
>halo armor
>alone
>taking charge of own destiny
RIGHT DOOM
>cloth armor
>christian demons
>losing the fight
>background red shirt yelling... not shooting

leftist doom is best doom

>>388517307
satirical banter is not a part of autism

>>388523846
>Either you lack reading comprehension or you are a moron. I clearly stated they were two different things
Then why call it a corridor shooter at all? Not my fault your whole post is contradictory or you are just a fanboy spouting terms you have no idea what those actually mean, corridor shooter means most of the maps are just designed around linear map design and corridors with even combat happening in narrow paths, most of the Doom arenas are open and are designed to keep the player moving to different parts of the map, combat is anything but something you would see in a corridor shooter.

>Going from one set peice locked arena to another is typically done with a narrow corridor filled with fodder enemies that you can execute to help you prepare for the next locked arena.
Not in Doom, you get locked in arenas, but before that the maps are actually pretty open and require you to do more than simply moving forward, some have platforming, other have keys and others require you to trigger something first. Not all arenas in doom are locked, the hell maps are great example, also some maps even let you chose how you want to complete them with different paths and secrets.

>So the design of them is largely irrelevant.
Only if you are a pleb who thinks those aren't important just because it isn't exactly like the old game. It's simply part of good game design, Doom or not.

>but will praise Doom 4 despite taking just as big as a departure.
I criticise Doom 3 because as a shooter is simply uninteresting, slow, linear and not even the gunplay is satisfying, not because its not like the old games, it's objectively a mediocre game that sold on nice graphics and big name, at least Doom 4 is good at what it tries to do.

>>388525408
>>388525037
>>388525125
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiVyIPgPaDc

the only true antihero

>>388523641
>find me a song from 2016 Doom that gets you more pumped up than this
https://youtu.be/a6BbvCC0VI0

>>388525827
>Tha-tha-tha thats all folks

>>388525753
>it's objectively a mediocre game that sold on nice graphics and big name
This

>>388525753
>it's objectively a mediocre game that sold on nice graphics and big name

Literally Doom 4.

>>388524414
Then it's DWUB DWUB then, now it's a total new genre of the previous wub wub, It's Djent Wub.
>>388525121
>invest in speakers
>post ShitVega
Irony.

>>388515645
the penguin of it

>>388526398
There is hardly anything mediocre about it, tech is top notch, map design and combat is pretty elaborated, gameplay is polished, gunplay is solid. Doom 4 is a quality made game, only a pleb would claim otherwise. Doom 3 is mediocre because it's identity crisis, it doesn't know what it wants to be, a linear story telling game with literal jumpscares or a follow up to a classic fast paced shooter.

>>388526787
>map design and combat is pretty elaborated
map design is non-existent. they didn't even try. it's arenas stringed together by corridors. It's extremely sad. take away the graphics and imagine playing doom 2016 with doom 1993's graphics. it wouldn't be fun at all.

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>>388526691
>thinking that awesome 5$ headphones are the best thing world could think of in terms of audio

>>388527309
>projecting and thinking I'm using headphones.
You're not meant to show us how defeated you are.

>>388527391
Oh I'm sorry I mean 10$ speakers

>THAT UPGRADE SON

>>388527495
Didn't know they sold DALI speakers for that low.
Post some proof of those prices.

>>388527305
>it wouldn't be fun at all
Yes it would

>>388527621
show me proof u have them instead of doing quick research on google "whatz da best hi-fi nao"

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>>388527305
>map design is non-existent.
>it's arenas stringed together by corridors.
Nice shitposting.

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>>388527663
how would it be fun? imagine doom gameplay without maps like this
maps that actually require exploration and intentional encounter design. maps with more than 10 enemies on screen at once.

>>388527851
Because I had fun playing 2016 DOOM, and I had fun playing Ultimate DOOM. Neither of those had anything to do with graphics, if you made Ultimate look like 2016 or vice versa I still would've had fun.

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>>388527845
>giving it verticality means it's not linear
bad meme. even if you explored every ounce of that map you'd still be able to trace your path with a pencil without picking it up

>Doom 2016 fags will never know the feel of entering a room with 40 Imps and mowing them all down with a chaingun
>they'll never know the feel of taking down a dozen spider demons without breaking a sweat
>they'll never have a dozen cacodemons swarm them all together
>they'll never run through levels from beginning to end fighting high tier demons the entire way without having to ever stop for arena spawning to end
I swear to god it's like they actually hate fun

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>>388527831
You mean my cheap DALI would be something that strange?

PSX Doom >> PC Doom

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>>388517005
>Doom 64's enemy count

>>388528189
>graphics over gameplay
>graphics over framerate
consolefags, every time

>>388528132
>entering a room with 40 Imps and mowing them all down with a chaingun
You've been playing too many wads.

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>>388515645
it's Doom 4 goddamnit

>>388528423
no, I've been playing Doom 1 and Doom 2 you dumb faggot

>>388515645
It's DOOM and DooM

>>388528174
So it's just diffrence in taste of music. What can I say.

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>>388515645
>not playing mod that combines best of both
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB36T15UyPo

>>388529013
Well I didn't say anything about hating or liking it since >>388526691 was my first post in this thread.
I just agrees with calling it a form of wub wub even though it does it at very few places.
The music for me was one of the more lacking parts.
But it falls short of the problems of pacing due to arena shooting.

>>388523846
>but will praise Doom 4 despite taking just as big as a departure
As much as I loved Doom 4 (don't hate me, I liked the self-parody they were going for and the game design is fun, even if its not really doom), Doom 4 took a massive shift from carefully crafted levels with transitional areas to
>let's use a corridor to move a player into a locked-down arena until everything in said arena is dead
>rinse-repeat ad nauseam
It's much more repetitive than any older Doom.

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>>388528132
>>giving it verticality means it's not linear
No, giving it different paths and combat happening in non linear parts of the map is what makes it not linear. Classic Doom wasn't exactly an open game either, levels have different paths but some also requiere you to find keys first in order to progress. But even so, i'm not comparing Doom(2016) to classic Doom, to me classic Doom level design remains unmatched and was made by literal geniuses, but claiming Doom 2016 has linear level design is simply being ignorant.

>Doom 2016 fags will never know the feel of entering a room with 40 Imps and mowing them all down with a chaingun
>they'll never know the feel of taking down a dozen spider demons without breaking a sweat
Honestly, this shit sounds something more like a meme wad than the actual classic ultimate Doom which is know for its great level design and well made, balanced combat.

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>>388519985
e2m6 will always have special place in my heard, because of using intro from Dio's "Egypt" as soundtrack theme

>>388519645
Blood. Duke Nukem and Shadow Warrior were fun, but not Blood fun.
but fuck whoever thought making difficulty buff HP of enemies, instead of just making more of them/spawn stronger ones was a good idea

>>388528298
You forgot the music. And gameplay is the same.

>>388529423
>let's use a corridor to move a player into a locked-down arena until everything in said arena is dead
That would be a problem if the maps were actually linear or the arenas and the combat on those were baddly designed, they seem actually carefully crafted to me, spawning demons that can give you a fun challenge instead of just running towards you like those shitty kill 1000 brainless enemy shooters.

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>>388515645
DOOM

>>388529923
Why is Duke on there twice?

>>388529969
Because only one of them is Serious.

>>388529923

>Freeman
>Not BJ

what a shit picture.

>>388520675
>ONE EIGHTH OF THE PUZZLE HAS BEEN SOLVED
Seven Portals puzzle was annoying, but still nowhere as infuriating as doing Egypt chapter of Hexen 2

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>>388529538
Good pick. For me it's e2m4 because the fucked eerie tone it gives to the game with the music, weird as hell texture choices and the traps at the end, all while keeping consistent level design with the rest of the game. WIsh there was more maps like it.

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>>388530225
>having more than one character from the same dev
Anon i would have to expand on this picture a lot if i were to include every badass from the 90s

Doom > NuDOOM

I mean, at least they tried unlike doom 3.

>>388523641
>Doom 2016 fucks up by making ammo capacity so small you HAVE to use the chainsaw or finishers to replenish. In DOOM you have more than enough ammo for all of your weapons from pick ups and shoot monsters from beginning to end.
Then why even have ammo in the first place? Why not make every gun have infinite ammo? In the new Doom, which weapon you use is a tactical decision between using the best weapon for the situation you're in or conserving its ammo for later, and long fights are more intense because you start running out of ammo for the higher damage weapons and have to either play conservatively with backup weapons or make an aggressive move for the chainsaw/melee kill.

It increases the tension and rewards more skillful play - besides which, there is actually a rune that gives your weapons infinite ammo as long as your armor stays above a certain value, again rewarding skillful play.

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>>388529538
E1M6 will always be my favorite level
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJzveo6IBsU

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>>388530269
Seven Portals is easily the weakest of Hexen's hubs. Shame it's the very first one and can put people off right off the bat. Especially considering the best hub is immediately after Seven Portals.

>>388515645
They're both perfectly fine and I enjoy both for different reasons.

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I love both of them. Nightmare runs are very satisfying on D44M, and just general WADs in Doom are great. There's literally no reason to not like one version or the other, they're all great.
There are no bad doom games, at all, the worst of them 3/RPG are mediocre 6/10, everyone is just super touchy because they're fags.

>>388530550
>playing that map with D4T 2.0.1 when author mess up balance on Deathbound difficulty, making Baron of Hell resistant enough to survive 2 direct BFG hits
>facing TWO of them plus small horde of imps and other nasties

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>>388530852
As usual, this

>>388530759
>can skip the square maze by running over toxic floor
>do the maze anyway because you want 100% kills

>>388531195
>>facing TWO of them plus small horde of imps and other nasties
Sounds fun as fuck, especially because this map seems to be designed in a way demons can chase and find you.

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>>388517358

>>388530550
Some weird and cool stuff about this map, for anyone who cares
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F63LtbTsUFk

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>>388529538
>>388530550
why is e2 so good, bros?

>>388530743
>which weapon you use is a tactical decision between using the best weapon for the situation you're in or conserving its ammo for later, and long fights are more intense because you start running out of ammo for the higher damage weapons and have to either play conservatively with backup weapons
you know that this actually applies to the original game more than it does to Doom 2016. You wouldn't be making this argument if you had played it front to back though

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>>388532594
Because it's cool as fuck.
>The episode's intermission screen changes from level to level, showing how E2M8: Tower of Babel is gradually built by the forces of Hell
>It begins as a small nub upon completing E2M1: Deimos Anomaly, but appears as fully built upon completing E2M7: Spawning Vats.

http://doom.wikia.com/wiki/The_Shores_of_Hell

>>388522737
I meant that Doom3guy is better than "DOOM SLAYER!!!1111" from Doom 4.

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>>388516624
you just tainted the humor, you nigger

>>388515645
OOM IS GOAT

Did you guys know Doom spelled backwards spells out mood? Interesting isn't it?

>>388517005
>>388517191
Doom 64 is forgettable.
Doom 2 introduce the Archvile which is the single best designed enemy in videogames as a whole.

>>388529923
Freeman is so out of place on this picture.

tfw I used to hate project brutality until I actually played it

>>388525216
I want to play Doom but issue is that I've played all of the games through for so many times. Nu-doom is boring as hell altough it sure looks pretty and has it's (few) moments. Biggest issue with the game is that the levels are like this: corridor -> big area which closes down until you kill mobs -> corridor -> big area which closes down until you kill mobs -> repeat. Wtf?

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>>388517276
Fuck you, the real answer is Chex Quest

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Anyone else remember this? Remake When?

>>388538620
MODERN GAME DESIGN

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That original logo is so much more baws than the shitty one color one on the nuDoom

>>388515645
new doom cover just looks like boring aliens, the original they look like motha fuckin demons on the cover!

>>388539230
It could had offended christfags.

>>388539639
>It could had offended christfags.
isnt that the point? Anyone who supports Christianity is on the wrong side of history, its a religion used to persecute Jews because the cross is offense to those of us who are Jewish.

>>388516624
wtf mind = blown!

>>388540702
Why is it an offense?

>>388515645
>in after "I prefer DOOM to DOOM"
why does this thread exist

>>388541092
crosses are offenses to all Jewish people, we dont even use the + sign in math because the symbol itself is oppressive since it not only is a bastardization of the real teachings of God since Jesus isnt the messiah as all Jews know, but it also implies that the Jewish people had something to do with his death which is just anti-semitism in the new testament which should be banned and hopefully soon will be.

>>388541392
This would be good bait but no one Jew who honestly believes this is going to be posting on here

>>388541758
what is bait? Your an anti-semite because you dont think those of us who are Jewish should post here?

Go back to your containment board, Nazi scum!!!

>>388538620
look up this >>388529118 project. It basically puts Doom 4's guns, alt-fire modes, upgrades system into Doom 2.
Therte are 2 versions of mod:
D4D attempts to add D4 features as closely as possible.
D4T on the other hand, is "lightweight" version meant to keep Doom 2 gameplay. Also comes with working MP and bots.
I already clocked 3 times more time with D4T than I have with Doom 4

why there isn't even ONE D44M mod?

>>388515761
>this is what DOOMfags actually believe
kys faggot
DOOM is the patrician's choice

>>388515645
left = aliens
right = actual demons

>>388543238
left = enemies from the game
right = enemies that don't appear in the game

>>388528278
Too high? Too low?

I wish the demons in new Doom looked more like they did in the original

>>388519645
Blood was a good game

>>388541392
fuck off notname, back to discord