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/dsg/ - Dyson Sphere General

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/dsg/ - Dyson Sphere General
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>>388479875
POST SPHERES
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If a civilization had the technology to construct something of that magnitude in the first place, would they really even need the energy from it? I mean, how do you construct something of that scale without the massive amounts of energy youd get from a dyson sphere? sort of a chicken and the egg thing, i guess.
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>>388480002
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>>388480237
well you can still use the energy from it while building it
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How's that dyson sphere coming along, /v/?
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>>388480002

top sphere
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>>388480237
Even a partially built Dyson sphere/swarm would give them enormous amounts of energy.
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>>388479875
Dyson sphere are impossible - they are inherently unstable and will crash into the parent star because they are not in an actual orbit

Dyson swarms are possible, but gravitational disturbances from your star system hurtling amongst the void will require constant maintenance of orbits

In both cases the amount of material resources required is well in excess of what any single solar system can actually provide
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Has anyone explained how the energy gets back to Earth?
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>>388479875
Dyson Swarm here, Sphere is a faggot.
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>>388482437
microwave rectennas
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>>388482047
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valve went into this dyson sphere
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>>388481989
It's coming along in 3...2...1
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Redpill me on Half Life lore.
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>>388480237
The general idea is that it exponentially builds itself. Using the energy it generates.
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>>388479875

My theory is that the Combine is actually an Awakened Empire from Stellaris that owns a Dyson or two. Earth just got unlucky by developing the equivalent of Jump Drive tech, accidentally phasing into their universe, and alerting them to our pressence.

They then proceded to vasalize us through portals, but their defending armies were too weak so we reverted back to a hostile one planet power that hates their guts.
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>>388483396
There's no way an interstellar species could have such an advanced mastery of matter and energy to build a dyson sphere, but can't subjugate a bunch of monkeys who haven't even flown to another planet
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>>388483690
>can't subjugate a bunch of monkeys who haven't even flown to another planet
They did. Earth was completely curbstomped by what was likely less than a fraction of the Combine's army.

The occupying Combine army on Earth wasn't even real Combine, they were just modified humans. They don't spend any more effort because Earth is completely inconsequential to them aside from what few resources they took from it.
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>>388483910
This, they only started giving a shit about Earth when they realized the monkeys at Aperture managed to stumble across the secret to in-universe teleportation that the entire multiverse wanted. But then Gordon managed to destroy the citadel and cut overwatch off from reinforcements forever. The Combine conquered Earth with the equivalent of the US arming snails with tiny rifles and sending them slowly towards Japan on a toy sailboat.
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>>388480237
It's far more likely that advanced civilizations would just build solar stations around a star to harness energy rather than autistically cover every single inch of its surroundings
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now hold up, all these dyson spheres seem VERY close to the their stars. Would the star not melt all conventional materials at that point? If you built it far enough away from the star to where it wouldn't melt them, wouldn't the amount of materials required be basically impossible to acquire? And what happens when the start begins to die and expand?
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>>388485768

Surface of the sun isn't as hot as you think, it's like 2kc iirc
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>>388486060
Interesting. Wasn't aware of that.
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>>388480002
What are those lights? Each one of them is the size of the planet. What are they supposed to be?
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What happens if the sun releases a solar flare with a dyson sphere around it?
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>>388479875
Quick rundown on Dyson Spheres?
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>>388482278
You're WRONG!!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlmKejRSVd8

Dyson sphere only requires 1% of the mass of the sun. You can get that 1% mass by starlifting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzuHxL5FD5U
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>>388482539
so where is the light beaming on top of the enclosed star coming from?
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>>388487309
solar panels that enclose a star
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>there will never be a Star Ruler 3
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Bison Spheres
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>>388487404
starlifting WHAT

stars are made of fucking hydrogen, helium, oxygen, etc

You aren't going to lift fucking steel, titanium, tungsten, etc. etc. out of a star
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>>388479875
>Mods are letting these threads happen
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>>388487542
How about you watch the video I linked, brainlet?
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>>388487542
Where do you think those heavier elements come from, anon? Did they just fall out of the universe's ass or something?
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>build dyson sphere
>forget star hasnt reached red giant phase yet
>sphere gets destroyed
>civilizations cucked out of all those wasted resources
>kill self
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>>388487542
>he hasn't taken 6th grade science class
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Hmmmfhh.... the Dyson sphere envelops the star, right? But how they build it around the star? Stars are burn hot, no?
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>>388479875
can someone fill me up on this new epic meme?
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>>388487727
>>388487893
Stars can't fuse anything past iron, geniuses. That shit comes from nucleosynthesis during a stellar explosion.
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>>388488079
>Stars are burn hot, no?
Not during the night.
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You don't 'build' a Dyson Sphere.
You slowly add to a Dyson Swarm of space habitats and space infastructure powered, untill it's so dense it almost resembles a Sphere.
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>>388488105
>he didn't read the leaked HL3 script
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>>388488442
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my favorite episode of TNG was the Dyson Sphere episode
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>>388487527
XD
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It's gonna be a bitch to maintain a sphere though, with stray asteroids/comets and all.
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>>388488985
:^)
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>>388488912
That one had James Doohan in it, right?

Good episode.
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Reminder that Rasputin did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WRONG.
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>>388487856

shit you're right, start just transition into red giant phases overnight, totally easy to miss, what a massive oversight on everyones part that only you, a genius, were kind enough to bring to our attention

thanks detective
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>>388482278
>In both cases the amount of material resources required is well in excess of what any single solar system can actually provide
That's not true at all. Hell, Mercury alone has enough mass for a Dyson Swarm.
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>>388489373
yeah, Scottie was great.

But the reason the episode is so good is that it's based around a real world hypothetical theory and not just random technobabble.
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>>388479875
>Half Life fans come out of the woodwork to spam a shitty meme
It's unfortunate that Valve became too lazy and greedy to finish the series, but please.
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>>388489701
>STOP LIKING WHAT I DON'T LIKE
... no.
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>>388489495
He really didn't do anything wrong. The Traveller fucks off every time the darkness is near, leaving the species to basically die (Fallen), Rasputin only made sure the fucker stayed with us.
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>>388489759
>STOP DISLIKING SPAMMED NOT VIDYA THREADS THAT WE'RE MAKING INSTEAD OF ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT HALF LIFE OR A VIDEO GAME
No
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>>388489693
Mass =//= the specific elements you need. Most of that mass is 100% useless.
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>>388489917
>bomb drops for beloved franchise
>anon bitches about several threads the weekend it happened
I'm now imagining you a week after VE-day or 9/11 grumbling in the corner "I wish these twits would stop talking about it already".
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>>388490252
>comparing the cancellation of a video game to 9/11
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>>388490193
>this planet sized ball of metal isn't enough because I say it isn't enough
It's enough because I say it's enough.
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>>388490417
makes sense to me, 9/11 is basically a meme compared to HL3
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>>388479875

Its never going to happen, unless its a pointless backdrop for COD: Infinite Warfare 2: Alien Boogaloo
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>>388490508
At least 9/11 existed
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>>388490417
No, it was an insult. You enter threads just to be the contrarian going "ugh, just stop talking about your interests already, I stopped caring exactly 20 minutes ago so that means you have to stop caring".
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>>388490546
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>>388490546
>9/11 existed
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>>388490546
9/11 never happened
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>>388490554
You're legitimately trying to act like it's a problem for someone to not want off-topic threads on a board about video games.
Do you start talking about comic books and western movies on /a/ because they're your interest?
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>>388481989
still on paper, needs color
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>ywn be part of the Universal Union
>ywn be a Combine Overwatch elite stationed on an off world planet
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>>388490546
>9/11
>real

top kek, wake up sheeple
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>>388490675
The only person off topic is you. This thread is full of video game references minus one contrarian autist and one autist humoring the contrarian.
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>>388490731
>>388490639
>>388490626
>>388490626
>haha 9/11 didn't happen xD
2010 called, it wants its jokes back
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>>388490716
Do you think they get injections of opiates whenever they successfully complete a mission objective?
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>>388490776
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>>388490776

And 2017 is calling you back, dying CIA agents have pretty much confirmed the whole thing was a fake false flag set by the government.
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>>388490776
Is that a 2010 meme? I just thought it was some stupid extension of the 9/11 hoax some dweeb led other dweebs into just itt.
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>>388490818
t. junkie
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>>388489841
Kind of a H,FY moment that we were the one species able to stop the twisted game of interstellar cat and mouse.
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>>388490887
>>>/pol/
>>388490890
It's an old meme in the sense that people here like to try their best to be edgy and that was one of the earliest examples
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>>388490193

>MESSENGER found high proportions of calcium, helium, hydroxide, magnesium, oxygen, potassium, silicon and sodium [on Mercury's surface.]

>Among the more abundant [chemicals in the composition of the moon] are oxygen, iron and silicon

PV cells are primarily silicon.
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>>388490904
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>>388480002
>>388481796
These spheres are horribly out of scale. They're like moon sized
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>>388480237
Easy, you destroy a fucking planet you retard and siphon all of the materials/resources from that planet. If we're going to build a dyson sphere in the future, we're basically going to get rid of (consume) Mercury.

https://ieet.org/index.php/IEET2/more/dvorsky20120329

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexknapp/2012/04/03/destroying-mercury-to-build-a-dyson-sphere-is-a-bad-idea/#5e74eaa96fbe

>Make robots that replicate each other
>Land it on planet Mercury
>Robot starts replicating by using elements from the planet.
>Eventually robots start building/recycling-each-other to build mile long satelites orbiting the sun.
>Plan is that people live within Dyson satellites in small colonies and generate solar energy from there.
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>>388491031

Here, read the fucking article yourself. http://www.snopes.com/cia-agent-confesses-wtc7/

The whole event was orchestrated by your own governtment you stupid butthurt amerilard, get the fuck over the fact your government is forcing you to die for oil overseas by using falseflags.
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>>388487856
>Not building your dyson sphere with 10^852 stretch Armstrongs to avoid that issue
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>>388490887
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>>388487461
Never say never.
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>Dyson Sphere
You are like a little baby.
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what is this retarded new meme
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What would be worse, Half-Life 3's Dyson Sphere cliffhang or tonight's GoT finale?
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>>388491489
>muh self replicating robots
That's just a meme to make it easy for brainlets to wrap their head around large sccale progressive projects. It would be hard for those people imagining going from the first road built 10,000 years ago to a world covered in roads today.

The fact is that humans will be there and it will be done in a billion bite sized increments for a billion individual projects.
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>>388487404
>so today we aww talking about Dyson spheawwls
This is going to take some getting used to
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>>388491545
>link an article that literally disproves your point
>post as if it supports you

this is some seriously good meming
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>>388491671
>a star lifter and fabricator
Woopty fucking doo, Basel.
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>>388491489
>Awaken the eldritch monstrosity slumbering within Mercury and doom all of humanity
Great plan.
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>>388490818
Probably, in order to have such a massive and diverse empire as the Universal Union you would need to develop the largest, most precise and effective Skinner box to have ever existed, just to keep some level of order and peace
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Let's be honest, none of you knew what a Dyson Sphere was before the episode 3 script, and a good portion of you likely still don't fully know what it is.
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>>388488303
>ironically calling other people geniuses, as an insult
>being THIS WRONG while doing so
The planets and the sun formed out of the same could, anon. Just think about that for a second. Do you think all that heavy material in the primordial Sun just flew out for no reason?
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>>388491671
you are like a Zygote
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>>388491986
It's in Halo.
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>>388479875
>Underages on /v/ didn't know what a Dyson sphere was before Epistle 3
Incredible.
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>>388491986
There's still a lot of folks out there who think a Dyson Shell is the same thing as a Dyson Sphere.
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>>388491986
I knew it from watching Isaac Arthur's videos.
In fact, I watched the Dyson Spheres one a day before the whole Episode 3 leak.
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Is a Dyson Sphere realistically possible to be made or is it only a Sci-Fi thing?
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>>388492020
What a hideous craft.
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>>388491831

Once you get used to it, his videos are incredible content.

Think of the speech impediment as a retard filter to keep out the normies.
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>>388491041
And interconnects, PCB's, solder, etc. is not

Nevermind fuel for orbital maintenance or the station-keeping thrusters, nevermind the metal frame

The amount of material required is far in excess of what any single planet will give you, it is in excess of what every planet in our solar system would give you

And no, grabbling up a bunch of hydrogen and oxygen is not going to allow you to build solar-collecting satellites out of steel, tungsten, glass, rubber, plastic, kevlar, and so forth.
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>>388492170
There is a certain density of object that a star of any given size can keep aloft as a statite (stationary satellite). If the Dyson Sphere was this dense or less then it would be possible. Pressure from the Sun's energy output itself would be enough to keep the structure from falling into the Sun.

However a Dyson swarm is much more likely.
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>>388489693
Mercury would not even cover a 100,000th of the sun. Do you realize how big the sun is?
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ITT: Pseudo Science
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>>388491986
Not gonna lie. The first thing that came to mind was the vacuum
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>>388492290
Dyson spheres aren't stable, you would have to constantly shift it so it didn't run into the sun.
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WE WUZ BUILDING THEM DYQUAN SPHERES WHILE U CRACKAS WUZ STILL IN STUCK IN THEM SMALL ASS PLANETS
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>>388492340
Welcome to the internet.
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>>388492170
An actual Dyson Sphere would require a civilization who could make hundreds of Star Systems in terms of sheer mass alone. Not even getting in to what would be required as far as mass and gravitational controls such that the whole structure wouldn't vibrate itself apart and other such mega-structure-feats.

A true Dyson Sphere is a solid sphere that is the size of (usually) an entire solar system, much like a true Ringworld. That means within that one Dyson Sphere is the mass equivalent of hundreds of star systems - as most of the space in a star system is empty.

It'd be much easier to start with a Ringworld, then make a Dyson Swarm - and then fill in the gaps. In a way, you're building a scaffold for a Dyson Shell when you're making a Dyson Swarm to begin with - so why not just go whole-hog once you get there and fully encompass it?
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>>388492297
a dyson sphere isn't a literal sphere you retard, a dyson like that would just collapse in on itself
>>388492340
>K0 shitter
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>>388492172
Typical Reiposter.
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>>388492297
Do you realize that a solid sphere is not the optimum shape for capturing light from a star?
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>>388487527
Underrated post
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Are you supposed to build your civilization in the dyson sphere itself or you send the energy back home via whatever technomagic you have?
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>>388492384
>A true Dyson Sphere is a solid sphere that is the size of (usually) an entire solar system
No, generally they're the size of Earth's orbit which isn't close to the size of the solar system.
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>>388484446

Honestly I only played half-life 2 years ago, and I barely cared about the story then, I just wanted to kill stuff, so I dont follow most of the lore.

But how it is humanity after HL2? Is there a chance for humanity to grow and fight back or are we truly fucked?
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>>388492008
It's in the very center of the star in trace amounts. Starlifters are grabbing gas from the photosphere and that gas is 73% hydrogen and 24% helium.
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>>388492357
Look up what a statute is.

An honest to god Dyson sphere made out of regular matter would have to be one giant statite, flexing every so slightly to keep stable using the pressure of the Sun's light.
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>>388492456
Only if you're from the batch of folks who also believe that Ringworlds are little planets rather than the roughly 1 AU in size megastructure that was originally envisioned.

Dyson Spheres basically come from the thought experiment of 'well what if we just made more ringworlds until we captured all of the sun's output'.
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>>388492412
Ah, so you are one of THOSE kind of guys.
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>>388492170
No it is not realistic

We'd have already seen evidence of them if they were possible to build or made sense to build.

They don't, and we don't.
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>>388492409
Mercury could not even make a ring around the sun large enough to escape its gravitational pull. That's my point. Where's yours?
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>>388492409
>K0 shitter
Spotted the red giant faggot
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>>388489495
>tethers the Traveler's fate to humanity so the bitch ass nigga can't run out on us
>fucks up Fallen even when the Battle is hopeless to ensure enough of humanity lives to win the war
>outsmarts a Vex mind core
>Probably created Banshee/is Banshee
>Definitely created Sleeper Simulant, the most fun gun in the game
>is Russian
>likes Ballet because he's an intellectual and secure in his masculinity
>values his personal time and teaches trespassers to stay the fuck away unless he has need of them
Rasputin is literally best boy in all of Destiny.

Someone needs to make a Virgin Traveller vs Chadsputin image
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>>388492474
>It's in the very center of the star in trace amounts.
I'm just going to give you this one last (you) and rely on your ability to use google to prove how wrong you are.
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>>388492583
In fairness, most light that reaches us is very very old and Ringworlds would plausibly take a very very long time to build.
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>a civilization capable of creating a structure to encapsulate an entire star and siphon its energy needs to go through the effort of conquering earth for its resources
>a civilization capable of creating a structure to encapsulate an entire star and siphon its energy would go through the effort of stealing the water from a tiny rock planet with water only on its surface when billions of gas giants that are composed entirely of water exist, 2 of which are close by
>a civilization capable of creating a structure to encapsulate an entire star and siphon its energy needs to steal the borealis since they can't figure out how to build what a few aperture science hobos hiding inside a keelhauled luxury liner made
Great writing, Marc.
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>>388492547
1 AU is nothing close to the size of the solar system.
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>>388492619
>likes Ballet because he's an intellectual and secure in his masculinity
That made me crack up.
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>>388480237
I dont think that you can grasp the amount of energy available here. Here as in just from a shitty small sun such as ours that only has a billion or so years to live. If we could channel one on millionth of a percent of the suns output and direct it onto a solar sail that's a decent mirror attached to a reasonable mass it would achieve near luminal speeds in months, if not weeks.
If exotic matter does not exist and we never manage to harness dark matter or the wimps that dark matter ends up being, a Jupiter engine or a dyso sphere may be our only hope of survivable interstellar space travel that doesnt involve a generational crew.
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>>388492669
Surprise Combine are retarded
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>>388492669
The writing of Half Life 2 is full of holes to be fair partly due to the way they just drop you into it
It's still never made clear whether or not it's actually an entirely different dimension like what was implied, really how the world went from a small outbreak of aliens to being full scale invaded by an entirely separate group of aliens
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>>388492669
They already used those gas giants and Earth just kind of handed its resources to the Combine on a silver platter by opening a portal to Xen and killing the psychic fetus.

Yeah, sure, there's a nice gold ore vein on the other side of the mountain, but this idiot just spilled his bag of sifted gold all over the ground. Obviously I'm going to rob his ass.
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>>388492871
Not only that, but they were after the portal tech. The metaphorical bag of gold was just a bonus
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>>388492836
We don't NEED it spelled out for us.
>scientists in the desert turned the Earth's barrier between universes into swiss cheese by accident
>kill the fetus keeping the Combine out
>Combine steps in and forces the portal storm open wider, invading the entire planet simultaneously
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>>388492669
The combine aren't after the natural resources, they're after the wildlife, they're there because they want to experiment and enslave humans.

Earth is basically some backwater shithole that they barely even care about.
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>>388493007
How was the fetus keeping the Combine out? Also if the experiments are of any indication Black Mesa scientists were jumping between worlds long before the accident happened.
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>>388492675
Please show me on the map where Earth is.
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>>388489701
>>388489917
eat my braps lol FAG
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>>388492464
Well it isn't totally fucked unless the Combine manage to connect back to Earth. If there are no reinforcements humans need only worry about those already stationed on the planet, though there are probably a lot spread around.
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>>388493156
>braps
>>>/reddit/
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>>388493115
What's your point? Clearly 1 AU is tiny.
The vast majority of dyson sphere descriptions are not even close to solar system size.
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>>388493078
Xen was like a weird border universe in between actual universes that the fetus and friends escaped the Combine to. They kept the Combine out. Earth opened up a portal storm to Xen and the inhabitants were more than willing to free themselves into whole entire universe without the Combine. But then we killed them, the Combine stopped in, and the rest is history.
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>>388483396
early space-age civs have like 4 armies that are weaker than starting assault armies cmon
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>>388493156
>braps
if you are going to falseflag, be more subtle
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>>388492265

>And interconnects, PCB's, solder, etc. is not

So copper, tin, and lead. Still not entirely exotic, especially if asteroid mining pans out. And this is assuming engineers millenia in the future havent figured out a more efficient means of harvesting solar energy.

>Nevermind fuel for orbital maintenance or the station-keeping thrusters

Non-issue, assuming fusion had been mastered by that point.

>metal frame

Iron, assuming solar chemical makeup is similar to galactic makeup, is 6th most abundant

>The amount of material required is far in excess of what any single planet will give you, it is in excess of what every planet in our solar system would give you

Did you actually do the math for this, or are you just pulling this out of your ass? This seems like an extreme overstatement.

Lots of hand-waving on both sides, it seems.
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>>388483396
How is Stellaris so far? I'm considering it on my first Grand Strategy game.
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>>388493230
I'm aware, I'm just saying they should be much much larger than 1 AU. There's little point to putting something that close to a star unless you just want to show off; it costs more materials to build further out - but it saves you sanity.
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>>388493450
>I'm just saying they should be much much larger than 1 AU.
Why?
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>>388490818
They get sexual simulation. The overwatch announcer voice literally says this in-game
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>>388491986
ive known about dyson spheres since middle school because ive actually picked up a book more than once in my life
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>>388493516
Read the rest of the post to find out. There's a lot of problems that come from building close to a star; those problems are easier to deal with when you're further away.

You have more problems with structure and gravitation controls - but you'd have those anyway at 1 AU out.
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>>388492669
It's not the entire Combine dedicating itself to the cause of conquering Earth. At the scale they're working at, Earth was probably handled by pencil-pusher equivalents, a footnote in the long, long list of things they've taken over. They dedicated a fucking pittance of a force to enslaving the planet, and left it in the hands of their equivalent of mall cops. It isn't a big gig.
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>>388491986
knew about it from alpha centauri years ago and then stellaris recently

if someone didn't know about dyson spheres until now they're plebs
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>>388493615
Please link me to your source... for purely research purposes of course.
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>>388493615
how good could it be? cant they just wack off
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can you PLEASE stop calling other star systems "solar systems". the star system that contains our star is called that because our star is named sol. it is the system of sol. the solar system. there is only one single solar system in existence.
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>>388493516
Also, because I'm tired of folks saying that Halo's ringworlds are "Ringworlds". They're just big circular stations that have enough gravitational mass to hold an atmosphere which as megastructure feats go is kinda sad.
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>>388493746
>>388493751
http://www.valvetime.net/threads/non-mechanical-reproduction-simulation.108755/
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Stop posting the same thread over and over. You even put general in the name. Ad the discussion isn't even video games. Fuck off to /vg/.
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>>388493776
>there is only one single solar system in existence.
pls link me to the proof
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>>388492384

>A true Dyson Sphere is a solid sphere that is the size of (usually) an entire solar system

... what? No it isn't. That's way too fucking big. Where in the hell did you read that?
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>>388493642
Your post didn't explain anything.
What benefits outweigh using massively more materials.
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>>388493798
look i get that stellaris is your first introduction to science fiction but there are in fact more than one singular kind of structure that can be called a ringworld. the things in stellaris are in it BECAUSE theyre genre-standard, not because its coming up with amazing new ideas.
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>>388493776
That sounds like bullshit but I'm going to continue just to make you upset anyway.
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>>388493798
They're literally ring worlds.
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>>388493831
kids want to throw around the term they just learned
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>>388493185

Ah thanks.
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>>388493956
its your right to continue to look like a dumbass
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>>388487431
Why, the galaxy. Of course.
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>>388493642

Which is why you just build a dyson swarm around 1 AU.

Why are you imposing this arbitrary necessity that it be one solid mass and so far away if it's so impractical?
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>>388494015
God bless freedom.
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>>388493776
Aright, but I'm still calling the bright spot in the sky around alien planets "suns".
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>>388493798
Halos aren't even close to 1AU in size dummy.
Why would you make something the size of the solar system. Do you realize how fucking huge that is?

Freeman Dyson used 1AU.
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>>388493913
Mainly: Heat and Gravity. The closer you are to the star the more of that you're going to have to deal with.

>>388493960
Ringworlds that aren't built to encompass a star aren't Ringworlds in my book; they're just space-stations. There's an important distinction of purpose there.

>>388494063
Because it's god-damn cool and I think the watered-down version being 'sold' as Ringworlds these days is just kinda... sad.
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It's hard to imagine what you would use the energy for. Like 1 fusion reactor of the future probably provides for millions of people, why do you need a billion fusion reactors?
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What's the difference between a Dyson Sphere and a Dyson Swarm?
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>>388494271
One sounds cool and the other sounds lame.
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>>388494246
trillions of people?

>>388494271
sphere = solid, swarm = satellites
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>>388494167
>Heat and Gravity
You realize the Earth is 1 AU away right? Why couldn't a dyson swarm work at this distance?

If you're making an actual sphere and can't handle the structural issues at 1AU there's no fucking way you can make a sphere the size of the solar system. It would require literally millions more material.
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>>388494271
One's a sphere and one's a swarm.
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>>388494161
I do realize how ridiculous it is but the originally proposed Ringworld was already ridiculous; I don't see why we shouldn't dream big.

>>388494246
As a for instance: Propulsion.

Also, could be used to generate exotic matter.

>>388494271
Very quickly: Imagine a chess board that's wrapped around the sun. All of the black spots are empty and all of the rows rotate.

>>388494323
Closer you are, the more focused the effects of either are. The more distant, the more it's spread across the surface, and so the easier to deal with it is.
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>>388479875
>Dyson Sphere General
>General
>>>/vg/
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>>388494419
>I do realize how ridiculous it is but the originally proposed Ringworld was already ridiculous; I don't see why we shouldn't dream big.
The original Ringworld is around 1AU...
None of the common examples are the size of a solar system because it's retarded huge.
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>>388494167

>Because it's god-damn cool

The only impractical technology rule-of-cool is a persuasive argument for is mecha. I think being able to actually have a dyson swarm is way cooler than pipe dreaming about a dyson sphere, though.
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>>388494271
Enjoy
http://www.orionsarm.com/eg-article/4845fbe091a18
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>>388494419
>Closer you are, the more focused the effects of either are
Still easier than making something the size of a solar system.
You'd probably use up more energy in creating such a thing than you'd gain from the sun.
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>>388494505
It being 1 AU was retarded/ridiculous.

That's partly why it was so engaging and interesting as a thought experiment and premise for a book.

>>388494528
Depends on whether you like the clockwork-like precision of mechanisms and engineering involved in a swarm more or the idea of a structure that is actually impossible to imagine the sheer scale of.
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What would be the maximum diameter of a space habitat constructed with graphene meant to simulate 1g?
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>>388494636
>It being 1 AU was retarded/ridiculous.
Then why are you claiming dyson sphere is normally the size of a solar system???
You realize that is much larger than 1AU right?
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>>388494650
Ask your local supercomputer.
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>>388490776
In one more year, we will be invaded by people who weren't alive on 9/11. They'll all think it's bullshit.
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>>388493438
different anon, its a fun space exploring/empire builder, but the combat is so shit it made me quit playing. Its a deathstack game, and super dumbed down
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>>388494650
$3.50
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>>388493798
Halo ringworlds don't have enough mass to hold air via gravity.

They hold air with very large sidewalls and by spinning so the air gets dragged along and tries to 'escape' through the ring instead of up into space
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>>388494775
its the opposite of a deathstack game, youll win a war against an equal opponent who doesnt split their forces because you can take twice as much territory. pre jump drives everything is so fucking slow too
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>>388494721
I don't think a supercomputer would be necessary, just a little bit of math and knowing the tensile strength by kilogram of graphene. Slightly more work then I'd want to put into it but not so much that I wouldn't expect someone to have already come up with an answer.
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>>388494650
ask Isaac Arthur
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>>388494167
>The closer you are to the star the more of that you're going to have to deal with.

...it's capturing all the heat/energy given off by the sun regardless

do you even have a single fucking clue what you're talking about?
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>>388494636

>Depends on whether you like the clockwork-like precision of mechanisms and engineering involved in a swarm more or the idea of a structure that is actually impossible to imagine the sheer scale of.

The former.
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>>388494604
That's really neat.
Thanks anon.
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>>388494894
if you outsmart the ai, yea, you can avoid the deathstacks. but by late empire, where you fill most of the universe, it takes so long to move armies that I didn`t have the patience for it. also getting slaughtered by the fallen empires was frustrating, with their 2-4 super deathstacks.
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>>388494883
thats a very roundabout way of describing rotationally-induced gravity lol
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>>388494710
I do realize that. It's more like 90-150 AU iirc, depending on where you want to say our 'solar border' begins.

My memory must be flubbing up on me; I recalled it as the width of the solar system, not the diameter of Earth's orbit. Looked it up, confirmed you're right.

>>388494947
It is, yes, but there's a marked difference in heat concentrated in a small area versus heat that is spread out over a large surface. In effect, the larger the structure is when it's absorbing the sun's energy, the less the heat is focused.

For your own experimentation: Shine a light on something. Now shine a light on something through a magnifying glass.
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>>388493960
Ringworlds "orbit" around the star. They're comically huge. Halos are small.
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>build dyshit sphere
>no more sunlight
>also throws every planet around it out of orbit
>die

What's the point?
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>>388494246

To power hyper realistic titty physics in our full immersion anime simulations. Duh.
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>>388495128
>"""small"""
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>>388494501
(you)

>>>/trash/
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>>388495075
>if you outsmart the ai
dude the ai in stellaris is retarded. the reason why you think the combat is bad is because you are bad at it. you want to just smash your guys into their guys and win. use your fucken head.
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>>388495164
Okay fine, comparatively small. I don't even think they have the surface area of a single Earth, do they?

>>388495131
You live in the sphere dumdum
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>>388495131
>no more sunlight

Only if your solar energy gathering surfaces are perfectly efficient, which they're unlikely to be.

>also throws every planet around it out of orbit

This, however, is a potential problem. However, the problem can be solved thusly: Use the mass of said planets to build said ringworld.
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>>388495075
also the game is pretty much over if you control "most" of the universe so rating the gameplay at that point in the game is pretty stupid
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>>388495131
dyson sphere would have 1 trillion times the surface area of earth
can live on the inside, hollow part with the sun up above
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>>388495239
>ringworld

Strike that, meant to write 'dyson sphere'. Been typing that word too much tonight.
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>>388495296
What if we already are?
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>>388493450
A dyson sphere the size of Neptune's orbit made of styrofoam 1km thick would have over 6 times the mass of the entire solar system.
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>>388495296
Problem is unless you can generate gravity you can't people will just fall into the sun if they try to live on the inside.
That's what a ringworld is for, it's just the part of the sphere that would actually be livable if you did rotational gravity.
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>>388495131
>throw out of orbit
Ironic shitposting is still shitposting.
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guys what if we made two Dyson Spheres who are both sentient, then they made love and they had Dyson children
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>>388495438
von neumann machines
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>>388494650
Imagine that the drop of water in this picture is your 1/1,000,000 scale model of a human and the knitting needle is your graphene structure. You'd need about that much I'm guessing.

https://twitter.com/WorldAndScience/status/869252105047027712
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>>388495339
Theoretically, we could be living inside a Dyson Shell of such scale that it is 'beyond visual range' so to speak and we wouldn't know it so long as it was big enough that we couldn't even see its gravitational influence/border.

>>388495371
I don't dispute that.

>>388495416
>gravity generation

Presumably, anyone who manages to successfully build a Ringworld probably already has a little bit of gravitational manipulation up their sleeves.

>>388495438
Then you have a Dyson Colony/Hive. Which is a truly terrifying thought.
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>>388495438
What if we smashed two dyson spheres together?
Would we get a super dyson sphere?
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>>388494650

I'm assuming most would be around the dimensions specified by Gerard K. O'Neill, which are around 5Mi in diameter for the living habitat. The "functional diameter" with the oribital mirrors/solar arrays extended would probably be multiple times that, i'd guesstimate around 15mi.

I have no idea how well they'd scale up.
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>>388495560
>I don't dispute that.
So you agree it's useless then?
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>>388493438
>stellaris
>grand strat
lmao
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>>388495579
I imagine you get a solar system (without a star) or planets out of it.

>>388495620
Why would I agree with that? The larger Ringworld still has various advantages to its 'pro v con' list over its smaller traditional brother. If it has a use it's definitively not useless.
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>>388495416
>people will just fall into the sun if they try to live on the inside
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>>388495706
>The larger Ringworld still has various advantages to its 'pro v con' list over its smaller traditional brother. If it has a use it's definitively not useless.
It literally has no use.
Just to build it would require multiple suns worth of mass let alone moving that to one location.
If a dyson sphere takes more than a sun's energy to build it's objectively useless.
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Wouldn't a Dyson Sphere just fall down while you're building it? How would you hold it up during construction?
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>>388495539
I presume this is sped up.
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>>388495862
Tell it to stay up or you'll shoot it in the head
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>>388495862
Either you would need unobtanium or build it light like one bit statite.
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>>388495862
Just put the part you're working on into orbit as you work on it.
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>>388495862
It would actually be more likely to fall down after you built it because the net gravitational force on it would be zero.
But presumably you'd have stabilizers and shit by that point. In the early stages of construction you'd literally just be throwing shit into orbit.
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>>388495112
it's not gravity
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>>388495853
>If a dyson sphere takes more than a sun's energy to build it's objectively useless.

Not true if it can be moved around to take other stars' energies. If you build your structure such that it can only support a small collection of stars its utility has been greatly limited.
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Why Dyson? Isn't it sexist to assume a gender of a fictional construct?
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>>388496068
It would be more efficient to simply build a new sphere at every new star.
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>>388496068
>oh hey my star's running down let me just move my FUCKING NEPTUNE-ORBIT-SIZED DYSON SPHERE to a new one
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>>388496117
Did you just assume that all Dyson's identify as male, you fucking shitlord?
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>>388496169
Now you're the one who's being wasteful.

>>388496186
As proposed it is already a starship; it just lacks a 'main drive'.
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>>388495862
It wouldn't and that's why it's impossible

you can put it into an orbit, but then it can't be one solid piece, it has to be a swarm

and if it's a swarm in orbit, eventually they'll reduce to a disk just like what happens to nebulas in stellar nurseries.

So then you have to turn to statites, but then you run into the issue of statites bumping into each other, so you have to space them apart so this doesn't happen, and now you're only capturing like 20% of the star's output
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>>388496278
How are you going to get the dead star out nigger
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Why don't we build a larger dyson sphere around a dyson sphere
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>>388496309
Sure, it would be called a Matrioshka Brain... if it were a supercomputer.
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>>388496259
Dychild instead of a gender bias noun.
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>>388496278
>>388496169
Although on another level if you build a single Dyson sphere that people can live in you're basically set for a significantly longer time than your species will actually exist.
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>>388496278
>wasting six stars just to make one fuck huge dyson sphere
>can only process one star at a time
Literally trash compared to simply making sized to fit dyson sphere at multiple solar systems.
You're wasting six fucking stars just to limit yourself to one stars energy at any single moment.
Besides no star in the known universe is even close to that big.
>>
Orion's Arm was a pretty fun read for a time though. I recommend it.
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>>388496280
>only capturing like 20% of the star's output
That is a fucking lot of energy
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>yfw if we could build a dyson sphere humanity could grow by quadrillions while living on it
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>>388496379
>needing a dyson sphere the size of the solar system to fit your population
>putting your entire population on one gigantic point of failure
A race that built smaller more efficient dyson spheres at every system and spread like rats would BTFO this retard race.
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>>388482539
Why would a sphere have a giant doorway visible from this distance
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>>388496523
I Dyson Swarm of o'neill cylinders would be more likely and would support just as many people.

Take a moment to imagine that internet.
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>>388496304
You use it as building materials; alternatively, you build this thing from effectively a swarm and the swarm detaches from other swarm-members and you all depart for the next star.

>>388496396
Didn't say it couldn't process only one star at a time. You could settle in a trinary system for instance if you felt like it.
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>>388496529
Or just don't use megastructures unless there's an actual need for them.
What's the timeframe for terraforming a barren planet versus building a new sphere?
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>>388480237
I've been toying with an idea of an energy collection field. Obviously something like that wouldnt be as nearly effective as a dyson sphere, but it also wouldnt COVER the sun. Kind of like putting a layer of plastic wrap over something. And if nothing else, we wouldnt need to cover the whole star, even leaving the Earth's orbital best open so it doesnt interfere with weather patterns.
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>>388496742
You could harvest all the high/low-frequency radiation and only let infrared through UV out.
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>>388480237
The moment you start building it you start to have enormous amounts of energy already. The more % of the swarm you have the faster you can build it. It would still take probably hundreds of years, but even 0.001% of the swarm is already too fucking much.
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>>388485279
That's what dyson sphere is anon.
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>>388496712
In the time it takes to make your enormous dyson sphere you could make way more smaller dyson spheres.
It takes longer.
It's way way larger.
It caps your energy output at maximum of a single system.
A race making smaller dyson spheres would already be over your max energy output before you finished making your large dyson sphere.
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>>388487304
>stand something right next to the fucking sun
>b-but what about solar flares
If something can withstand THAT heat, it can take a solar flare like a champ, if not LOVE it.
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>>388479875
Alyx is an idiot
Also fuck Valve
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>>388496967
I'd put my bet on the race successfully building a dyson sphere the radius of a solar system over the race that's built a lot of smaller ones any day.

The construction requirements for the former are dramatically more impressive and imply a much higher degree of sophistication and understanding of materials - which should directly lend itself to how effective weapons and defenses of said race are.
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>>388497119
and FUCK YOU TOO
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>>388497153
Yes and the race that can make dyson spheres the size of galaxies would kick their ass it doesn't mean it's a rational idea.
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>>388496586
>2934
>living in dyson cylinder-A23--3290 and not dyson cylinder-D59-2638
I really hope you transhumans don't do this
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>>388482437
lasers
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Why Dyson sphere suddenly got popular? Is it because of HL2:EP3 story leak?
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>>388497447
uh duh dumbbutt
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>>388487404
>Dyson sphere only requires 1% of the mass of the sun. You can get that 1% mass by starlifting.
That's not what he said. He said you can get started on a dyson swarm even solely using 1% of the mass of mercury.
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This is...... stupid.
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>>388496846
Well maybe, but that would be just putting on a reverse pair of sunglasses. Actually harvesting any energy would be quite difficult. Seeing as it could be an energy field, it would be bouncing or propelling radiation away to either a central collection node or a decentralized ring. Even if the idea of Dyson Swarms would be used, the upkeep of the field might end up with less energy being gathered than used. Honestly the only way I see this being feasible is by having a current type grid with Dyson Swarms pushing it to another, a central collection node, or discovery of a force reversal phenomenon which can more or less instantaneously reverse the direction of something's velocity.
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>>388498195
........................how?
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is this the game where the girl has a fully modeled cervix?
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>>388483115
>research institute Black Mesa gets hands on some weird space crystal provided by shady guy in a suit
>Gordon comes late to work, gets in his hazardous environment suit and proceeds to do his job as a PhD in theorethical physics - pushing cart with the crystal into laser beam
>holy shit everything exploded and portals open everywhere in the facility, teleporting hostile aliens that start killing everyone
>Gordon wakes up and tries to get to the surface to call for help or something
>shady guy in a suit appears throughout Black Mesa, seemingly dissapearing every time you try to get to him
>kill like a billion aliens
>suddenly, army intervenes
>yay, we're saved!
>nope, army starts killing everyone including scientists to leave no witnesses
>massacre army
>some scientist tells you that you can close the portal from the other dimension (called Xen) if you launch some satelite that sends some signal or some shit
>proceed to do that
>shit it didn't work
>turns out the scientists were experimenting on portals before and knew exactly what they're doing
>if you want to stop the invasion, you need to go to Xen and kill the alien leader
>only you can do it since you have the HEV suit
>go to Xen, kill everything
>get to Nihilanth
>tells you some ominous shit like "he will decieve you", "you cannot win" and "we are their slaves"
>kill Nihilanth
>it's done, but you can't get back
>suddenly, guy in a suit appears, and tells you that he's impressed with what you've done and he'd like to hire you while teleporting you around Xen and Black Mesa
>tells you you've got choice, but if you refuse he'll just leave you on Xen
>take his offer, get suspended in time and space
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>>388487404

wascally dyson sweers
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>>388492669
>a civilization capable of creating supercomputers and spacecraft needs to go through the effort of fighting pests occupying their territory
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>>388498548
The left an occupying force and took the regular army home.
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>>388498287
PART 2
>Guy in suit (G-man) puts you on a train
>Get off train into future dystopia approx 20 years in the future
>City has a suppression field up which prevents sex, and thus procreation. City is worse than a communist shithole with daily raids, frequent checkpoints, and TRUE police brutality
>Meet with buddy who owes you a beer (Barry) and he directs you to Dr. Kliener's lab
>Run to lab with Combine Police trying to shoot you. Meet Alyx "Fully modeled Cervix" Vance and arrive at the lab
>Try to teleport to Resistance base, where more old friends and Alyx's dad wait.
>Fails, walk all the fucking way to the base
>Get the gravity gun which can pull and hold in suspension, most objects
>Base gets invaded, smells of a traitor and Alyx's dad gets caught.
>Escape through zombie (head crab + human) town with Russian Shotgun-weilding Priest
>Go through Antlion (for legged alien roughly the size of a smart car) hell to break into prison and release Alyx's dad
>Go to the city to take part in a resistance uprising
>Break into Citadel (enormous building well bigger than any possible human structure currently)
>Gravity gun gets supercharged being able to pull anything and often disintegrate it
>Old Black Mesa director in charge of the city, he tries to escape through portal, but you blow the fuck out of him and the citadel causing a lethal explosion
>Gman stops time to rescue you
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A real dyson sphere would be a multi-layered swarm at different orbits you brainlets, it's not a literal ball. All that energy is going to computation and travel, etc
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>>388479875
Have fun rebuilding your dyson sphere
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>>388499524
What
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>we have the technology to build a Dyson sphere right now
>because of retarded politics, jews and money we aren't buliding it
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>>388499639
no way we can build a fucking Dyson Sphere unless you are refering to the vacuum cleaner
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>>388499820
We can start building it right now, if we pooled our resources into it. It obviously takes a long ass time but the faster we start the faster it'll be here. And even 0.001% of Dyson swarm would be fuckhuge amount of energy for us.
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>>388499589
>Make a large spaceship
>Tie it to Mercury
>Go in direction of Earth
>At last second detach chain from ship
>Mercury is pulled to the Earth and hits it like a hammer
>Since sphere is around Earth it will also push the sphere
>Sphere will fall into sun
>Have chosen 1 million on the spaceship
>Have them repopulate the Earth
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>>388491986
speak for yourself, I fucking love this shit

Dyson Spheres are entry level stuff compared to a K3 level civilization, Matrioshka brains, and other shit that would literally melt your mind like civilizations after heat death of the universe that can live on for quintillions of years on a power equal to what you need to turn on a fucking lightbulb
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>>388493992
We might also be fucked because sterilization. I think that's why there are no children around in HL2. I mean other than as an excuse to not model them.
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>>388496586
We'd need multiple 4chans or each board would go by so fast almost nobody could expect their threads to last for a minute before it gets bumped off by countless new threads.

That, or only a very limited set of Gold accounts can create threads...
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>>388499964
>>388499524
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>>388491489
did you even read the fucking article you posted dickhead
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>>388491986
>projecting
Most people who at least like sci-fi knew what Dyson sphere was anon.
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>>388496523
we can though
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>>388499964
Gay Nigger Space Police from Dyson Sector A91207 will clamp down on your ass before your ship even pulls Mercury off orbit by a few feet.
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>>388500248
man oh man the possibilities of the kind of life you could live im sure is astounding
why doesnt more people try to reroll life
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>>388492456
There's no reason to make it as big as earth orbit. You'd make it as small as you can without the solar panels frying, you'd fit it onto the fucking sun if you could. It's not like you're a human and need a comfortable climate to live in.
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>>388500647
no way we could anytime soon
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Posting from Mars /v/. This took about 28 minutes to reach you guys but our internet is better than yours. Eat shit Earth fags!
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>>388500248
>>388500598
Pretty much this
t. /sci/
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>>388491986
read a book nigger, anyone that's picked up one sci fi novel knows about them. come back when you can wrap your head around god engines
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>tfw offworld relocation
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>>388496452
What's it about?
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>>388501542
You need a host body to even survive on other planets.
It's essentially sending unwanted personnel to their deaths.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylyCY9srJGw

Just rewatched this scene from Episode 2. I'm still amazed by its writing and voice acting.

>You will never experience something like this from the series again
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>>388500424
Wasn't that machine destroyed though?
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>>388502219
It's fucking great, I've played EP2 so many times I remember the dialogue word for word.
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>>388501542
> tfw getting assigned as a stalker, whatever that is
STALKER was one of my favorite games pre-Union so I'm looking forwards to this
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>>388479875
At least use a different picture
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>>388502379
Anon, I ...
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I fucking love these threads

So much actual discussion with minimal shitposting
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>>388486060
>>388486138
I'm late as hell but you'd still have to worry about the corona which varies from 6000c to a few million c.
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>>388491489
If you're capable of destroying an entire planet for resources you'd be better off just destroying the damn star by siphoning the plasma away for raw materials.
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>>388483258
>when scale alone somehow becomes terrifying
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>>388502219
>I have learned to ignore such naysayers when... quelling them... was out of the question
The way his image inverses when he emphasizes the word always impressed me with its subtlety and untertones.
Fuck, if only they applied the same writing philosophy to Alyx.
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>>388499092
>Alyx "Fully modeled Cervix" Vance
Is that true?
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>>388503320
only in some HD remake mod
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>>388503320
Yep.
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>>388503382

Not sure, but I think it's this model of her.
It was years ago, but I remember someone posted a screenshot of looking up between her legs into her shorts to show her hi-poly life-like labia.
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>>388503706
It also drips.
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>>388496945
No, a Dyson Sphere is pretty much a massive orbital habitat. Swarming a sun with solar panels is a whole and more logical story.
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>>388497331
>Dyson shitters
>Not living in a terraformed martian habitation dome
Have fun with your explosive decompression, fag
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>>388503849
No it doesn't. Shut the fuck up.
Link.
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>>388503994
I've seen the webm many times anon, but I don't have it saved.
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>>388503994
Yes, but it's not an "also." The one with the cervix is an older version. A while back an anon streamed the latest, at the time, version. There was no cervix, but Alyx did indeed drip from her vagina. People kept trying to pass it off as the pipe behind her or something, but nope.
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>>388503850
>Dyson Sphere

>A Dyson sphere is a hypothetical megastructure that completely encompasses a star and captures most or all of its power output.
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>>388504339
>Dyson Sphere
>other variant designs involving building an artificial structure or series of structures to encompass a star have been proposed in exploratory engineering or described in science fiction under the name "Dyson sphere". These later proposals have not been limited to solar-power stations, with many involving habitation or industrial elements
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>>388504092
>>388504087
I can't begin to tell you how much I want this mod just to see this stupid shit.
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>>388504483
That fucking face.
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It's funny.
The author who first wrote about Dyson spheres in his sci-fi books specifically said "guys stop calling it that" because he was so uncomfortable with people having named them after him.
Yet here we are.
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>>388502219
>those vort corpses laying around
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>>388504483
How terrifying
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How do you transport all dat energy. Freemun gonna sabotaje the energyfield and blow of the Vacuum in HL4.
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were they invented by Mige Dyson :DDD
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>>388504472
>does the same
>but you can live there

Waow
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>>388479875
That model in the OP is infuriating, the sphere would need to be the size of mars' orbit not to be affected adversely by the Sun's gravity, it would be unlivable on the inside, it's a fucking mess. Why would they build a dyson sphere where the inhabitable zone is on the inside?
This is making me so mad I'm going to start a fist fight with my dad, brb.
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>>388502219
welp

time to replay the whole series
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>>388504659
This, much like the feasibility of the spheres themselves in real life, is entirely fictional.
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>>388480237
>>388480237
>>388480237
If you could make then then you could probably make something large enough or with enough mass or something compact enough with a lot of mass to redirect all the photons (read :energy) from the star to a single point to be captured.

dumb brainlets.

Also it would look cooler and you wouldn't be covering up the stars and their beauty.
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>>388505495
I can see it now, a galaxy full of rivers of light.
better than the autism that is dummy's sphere or whatever it's called
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>>388505558
>a galaxy full of rivers of light.
Sounds like warp fuckery and heresy to me. BLAM!
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>>388492450
Either or. Living on the sphere would be the most efficient method but there is no reason you couldn't ship its energy elsewhere.
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Would the livable part be on the outside and the floor is miles of glass like so?
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Who controls Xen after HL1? Gman says he works for the.
Gman also talks like he has seen future and alternative future
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>>388491612
>Not building your dyson sphere with 10^852 stretch Armstrongs to avoid that issue
>10^852
Nigger I don't think you realize how big that number is.
That's not only enough for a Stretch Armstrong Dyson sphere, that's enough for an entire fucking universe of Stretch Armstrong Dyson spheres. That's enough to replace every single elementary particle in this universe with a Stretch Armstrong. And if every single one of those Stretch Armstrongs replaced itself with another Stretch Armstrong every second for the time this universe has existed that still wouldn't reach 10^852. That's enough to form a fucking Stretch Armstrong multiverse, where if a god ever existed his visage would undoubtedly be that of a Stretch Armstrong. You've made the Stretch Armstrongverse, not a fucking Dyson sphere.
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>>388505379
Holy fuck I watched that scene a few minutes ago before coming into this thread and it made me do the exact same thing.
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So combine has now dyson sphere or something?
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>Dyson Sphere General
Fuck yeah, I fucking love Dyson Spheres
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>>388483258
I'm confused, is SOL the entire Sol system or just the sun?
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>>388479875
ELI5: this meme
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>>388492583
>We'd have already seen evidence of them if they were possible to build or made sense to build
we have though
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But what about Race X?
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>reminder that we should start building dyson swarm as soon as possible
>reminder that Musk focuses on colonizing fucking Mars instead
Why?
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>>388507921
You mean Not Canon X?
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>>388507921
Yeah that would've been interesting. A race of beings that can build portals with organic material, as well as having mastered teleportation themselves with the shock troopers.
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>>388507925
Gotta bang martian women first
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>>388507968
Are you implying that OF isn't canon, yet some fanfiction is?
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>>388507925
Everyone's better off sharing this everywhere:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlmKejRSVd8
The way he puts it together really sells Dyson Swarms far, far, far better than colonization of a second fucking rock. Can't believe the fucker's from Ohio. Governments need to watch this shit.
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>>388507925
Why would we bother with a Dyson Sphere when we don't even have a method of transporting that much energy back to Earth with any degree of efficiency?
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>>388508093
He makes great videos, but they are far too fucking long. To interest masses the video should be cut down to like 10 minutes.
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>>388508157
>efficiency
Even small percent of Dyson Swarm could output so much energy that efficiency doesn't matter. Just beam it with a laser or something.
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>>388508175
If they were 10 minutes that leaves too much room for "but what if x?" With what are essentially short documentaries, he lays everything out including the math. There's really little room for doubt.
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Umm guys?
https://www.space.com/36925-alien-megastructure-star-dimming-again.html
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>>388508175
>Valve will never popularize Dyson Spheres by making a mass appeal video game sequel to a revered series
>Valve is single-handedly responsible for humanity's stagnation and eventual energy crisis
I was being optimistic all these years but now I've finally had it. Gabe Newell needs to die.
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>>388500736
>There's no reason to make it as big as earth orbit.
The further out it is the easier it is to deal with the entire sun's worth of heat blasting your sphere.
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>>388508065
>Are you implying that this thing written by the lead writer is canon, but something not written by him isn't?
Shit anon I don't know
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>>388505193
Rate my autism

Dyson spheres are stupid btw and don't belong in the Half Life universe
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>>388508175
But the of the reason his videos are interesting is that they AREN'T cut down to 10 minutes. There's already plenty of popsci shows out there on youtube, and the masses already watch them. The same masses that normally aren't interested in listening to half the shit he discusses.

And for the record, there was a period where he made his videos that long or shorter, and they were generally pretty bad. His style really requires the greater, more exhaustive explanations to be work.
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>>388508415
>tfw valve killed Half-Life 3
>and then killed everyone else by doing so
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>>388493438
>Stellaris
>Grand Strategy
Anon I ...
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>>388495646
>>388508704
Not that guy but it's clearly a grandstrat. Just like Distant Worlds has always been until Stellaris came along and booty-bothered paradox mapblob fags.
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>>388508683
He should just make shorter tl;dr versions of his long videos with link to the full version.
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>>388508693
>The man who sold the world for hats
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>>388507464
The entire Solar system
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>>388507464
Ignore the other retard
>big sphere is 2 AU
Clearly the SOL in the image is the sun.
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>>388508758
yeah you are right, the only reason /gsg/ autists denunce that game is, because they are still butthurt about the whole shitposting it spawned
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>>388480237
Well, my guess is that if you have the technology to make such thing you will definitely have use for the energy it creates
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>>388508591
>One is recognized by Valve as an entry into the half life universe
>One isn't

Hmmmm tough choice.
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Any videogames featuring civilizations far above K0?
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>>388497876
Go to 22:30 senpai
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>>388491831
>>388498495
>tfw English is not my first language
>I can understand him with no problem and didn't even notice anything
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>>388509895
Is he not purely defining what would be an "interstellar civilization?" The moment humans are able to harness the sun's power via even a partial dyson, is the moment we step into that definition. "No new technology required," so no FTL drives or whatever required to fit that definition. But I remember a separate part of the video where he indeed says the minute we have the tools to mine Mercury, we can start a dyson swarm.
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Imagine the number of niggers we could maintain with such technology, we could have niggers be the 99.9% of the population while we work to maintain them.
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>>388508591
>Lead writer goes out of his way to state that the Half Life universe is a team effort and that he isn't the sole authority on Half Life canon
>Fags still insist that only he has the holy authority to write the Half Life bible and anything else is heresy
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>>388510201
>I can understand him
That's not the problem here, paco. Go back to mowing that lawn.
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>>388483690
>but can't subjugate a bunch of monkeys who haven't even flown to another planet
They subjugated us in 7 hours m9.
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>>388510310
West is already heading there
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>>388510393
>he tells people to turn on subtitles if they don't understand him in the beginning of the video
>that's not the problem here

what's your fucking problem, I was just stating that as a funny thing I noticed lately
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>>388510287
listen for more than 2 minutes please
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>>388500248
New interstellar 4chan servers on Matrioshka brain.
Imagine that power.
Imagine that shitposting
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>>388510537
Imagine septilions of people all shitposting on a single board.
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>>388487404
Jennay, our galaxy is an enouurmus playce, wif billions of stawws.
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>>388479875
Lol i keep thinking of the vacuum cleaner
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>>388510492
>he tells
That's not the problem, some people have a difficult time putting up with his speech impediment, not understanding what he's saying. Use that noodle between your ears before going all white knight.
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>>388487404
>starlifting
Sounds like something /fit/ would come up with
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>>388510560
Sticky threads are now just normal threads due to amont of people.
There are "gold" status threads where you can post in VR while meeting other people.
Legendary Sticky Threads can be post in 5D.
>that interstellar shitposting while reddit is still mere 2D site due to social justice warriors and retard community
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>>388510518
I have. He says nothing about
>Dyson sphere only requires 1% of the mass of the sun. You can get that 1% mass by starlifting. He mentions using planets to start 'er off.
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>>388510537
>>388510560
>hey guys i got game x at spacestop recently what do you think of it?
>why are you playing inferior western quadrant games when you could be playing superior eastern quadrant games?
>translation to alpha centaurian when?
>hurr this game offends my specific star system's culture
>why are you discussing game x when the sequel was already released in the large magellanic cloud?
>game x sucks, derivative clone y that was released years ago on bumfuck planet #34834820 is way better
>im so fucking tired of forced jovian diversity crap, im gonna lose it if i see another one of those gaseous jews in my vidya
>ai supercluster 539016 is my wife!
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>>388511275
>gaseous jews
heh, fuck you
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>wasting time, energy, and resources on dyson sphere

What's the point? It's more likely that before the time we have the tech capable of harvesting energy from stars, we'll have unlocked the secrets of the human brain and computer science. It would make more sense to just build a completely simulated universe and digitally transfer all human life into it. Put that simulated universe in a protected capsule and send it aimlessly through space.
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>>388513516
>It's more likely
no, it's really not
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>>388513516
You do realize that dyson spheres are one of the most efficient scifi way to get energy? And you need computing power to simulate minds. You need vast amounts of energy for such quantities of computing power. Oh, now you want to build a matrioshka brain around the sun?
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>>388482437
express courier.
can't trust regular postal service with such amounts of energy.
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>>388482437
You don't need for the energy to get back to earth lmao, at this point you live in the space habitats and never want to set foot on planets. Also, you can beam energy via lasers.
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>>388510896
>some people have a difficult time
That's not the problem.
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>>388492340
*science fiction
that's literally what it is. some people seem to have trouble distinguishing it from actual science.
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okay, so we need to build a dyson swarm. But how is the energy actually converted into a usable/storeable state? solar panels or what?
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>>388491986
I'll be honest. I don't care about half fucking life and knew what dyson spheres were.
Ive been lurking these threads without even knowing it was related to that shit game.
Thanks for clarifying to me were all that shitpost comes from. Not even surprising, valvefags always were massive faggots.
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>>388492039
lmao retard idiots right?
they are not true nerds such as you and i.
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>>388492583
overestimating humanities current state.
if (big IF) there is a civilisation within visible reach of us, that can build something like that, we are likely less than an anthill to them. the only way we could find/see them, is if they want to be seen by us.
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>>388514929
We'd notice that some star is weirldy obscured by something that shouldn't be there, just like we already did. Dyson swarm is real.
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>>388515049
how would we even know that star existed in the first place?
also, the civilisation that built the sphere knows this as well (obviously, since even with your monkey brain you managed to come up with it)
and if they simply do not wish to be found, they find ways to fake it.
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>>388514253
That's what they were saying on the thread before. I think the problem here is you and your childish demeanour.
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>>388491986
>Let's be honest, none of you knew what a Dyson Sphere was before the episode 3 script
You're projecting, it's not even that obscure of a sci-fi concept.
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>>388513516
A single matrioshka brain could house more simulated minds than an entire k3 civilization who built dyson spheres/swarms around every available star in the galaxy.
For comparison the star wars and 40k universe would only be a k1.7 on the scale, and would both be dwarfed by a ridiculous amount compared to a single dyson sphere/swarm alone.
Just imagine that.
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>>388515394
>you and your childish demeanour
that's not the problem, show me the problem
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>>388515469
I just did, you underage puke.
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>>388515247
Once you have sent out your first radio signals as a civilization there is no more use in hiding.
Furthermore any other k2 civ would easily be able to detect other dyson swarms. A dyson swarm not showing up on the infrared would be extremely unlikely.
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>>388515467
star wars and 40k are both fantasy more than scifi.
hard to grade them on the scale when there is space magic and shit.
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>>388515469
show me your tits
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>>388515632
There's no problem with space magic, the problem is the nonsensical sci-fi. With tech they have in Star Wars they could easily build a Dyson. They could easily just drop a giant asteroid on any planet as opposed to building a death star. They would already have AIs that run almost everything automatically.
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>>388515510
>calls others underage
>doesn't get reference
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>>388495131
Dyson spheres aren't necessarily closed
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>>388515732
what would happen if you hyperdrive a rock into a planet?
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>>388515632
If you just compare them by population numbers they fall short by a few multitudes.
K2's are horrifically enormous.
The star trek federation would only be a measly K1.3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dArpj_VxxuQ
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>>388515826
Mass moving at past light speeds would fuck up alot of shit on its own.
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So hl3 is in development?
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>>388515826
Problem is that you can't exactly run into a planet with hyperdrive. Gravity from stars and planets projects into hyperspace and disturbs it, you need to plan your path to avoid those spots, otherwise the ships computer spits you out of hyperspace so you don't get disintegrated.
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>>388511275
Would people even be measuring time in years? What would we'd use instead if the earth didn't exist anymore after we mined it down. Nuclear decay time of various elements?
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>>388516140
Development hell, more like. They've fired most of the major players that worked on the older games.

Valve's "rolling desk" philosophy is also a huge part of the problem. Everyone's desks literally have wheels on them, and an employee can decide where they want to work by just physically grouping up to make a team. Why spend time and energy on the uncertain development of HL3 when you can have a safe, easy, and profitable existence making TF2 hats and CS:GO skins? The old HL2 team was probably cannibalized by other groups that make lazier shit.
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>>388495131
>>388495216
>>388495239
>>388495296
>>388495432
>>388515768

A dyson Swam is possible to build a Dyson Sphere isn't physically possible to build.
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>Implying the universe isnt an enormous dyson sphere
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>>388487404
do you even starlift brah?
>>
I wrote my Master's thesis on dyson swarms 2 years ago and these threads are giving me cluster headaches.
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>>388518362
You're not the only one Anon
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>>388493814
>who would want to have sex with a robot?
Is this dude serious
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>>388503873
Always makes me wondering what kind of shitposts we'll have in the future. The fucking Romans had the same shitposts that we have today.
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wouldn't it be more practical to have your own stars in nuclear fusion reactors?
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>>388513516
Why would you want to live in a simulation? That sounds boring
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>>388479875
Not video games.
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>>388502219
I forgot that Alyx's and gordon's lives were 'woven together' by vort magic. I guess that why they rescue him before he crashes into the dyson sphere
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>>388508175
>He makes great videos, but they are far too fucking long. To interest masses the video should be cut down to like 10 minutes.
Fuck you.
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>>388492669
the whole thing with the combine is that they're a massive, very technologically advanced civilization, but their transportation is super shitty.

this means that the combine that invaded earth wasn't the same combine that builds dyson spheres at their homeworld, it was most likely a small, detached branch of the combine's conquest, composed of previously conquered races.

the whole thing combine does is enslave races, taking their materials and technology, slap some combine technology schematics on that stuff, and then use all that stolen shit to enslave the next race they find. it seems kind of silly that the combine would even bother using humans as soldiers on another planet, or bother taking their water, but it makes sense considering the combine is more or less cut off from their actual HQ. they're brutally efficient about their conquests, and need all the resources they can get. you could even argue that there might be a political aspect to it all, like the advisors are told to make do with what they have, and asking for help is considered shameful
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>>388519491
Dyson sphere is sort of reactor, I think. It's just that you build "energy collecting" part around reaction which already takes place. Plus, I think stars are more stable and "safe" than hand-made fusion reaction, since they are sort of hang in space, and you can observe their behavior for long time, making sure all important observations are considered during building sphere.
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>>388513516
Nested simulations are bad for our results, don't do this.
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>>388522410
There's also the possibility of the Combine simply not really caring about Earth that much. I mean yeah they want to conquer it but due to the scale of their civilization already Earth is basically less than a drop in the ocean. To run such an empire efficiently you would need to dedicate exactly the required number of resources needed to accomplish the task and no more, this would include the use of appropriated local resources to cut down on the amount that the columbine themselves need to dedicate to the relatively insignificant task. To give an example, a company needs to write an email, to write this email it would certainly be quicker to order 1000 employees to all type a single letter of the email all at once then send it. It could be done in an instant. However while slightly slower it's moire efficient to give the task to 1 person even though the company has the resources to have many people do it together.

The combine just didn't account for one of the humans having main character-tier plot powers, which threw off their precise calculations of exactly how much resources would be needed to conquer earth.
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>>388519491
Not really, Fusion is fairly difficult to achieve in and of itself. You need incredible heats and pressures to achieve it in a way that is productive to your energy needs. The star is already there and Dyson spheres aren't actually massive shells around a star, that's just scifi bait. The original concept was just a dense fog of billions of solar panels collecting and using the star's energy. In that way it is entirely modular and scalable, you simply build more collectors as needs and means allow and at some point it becomes a full on swarm. Better yet you don't need all the groups building the solar harvesters to co-operate in some grand unity, building for your own selfish reasons is entirely viable.
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>>388523461
>building for your own selfish reasons is entirely viable.
>space conflict will be over who gets the most solar panels around the sun
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>>388506543
This is a good post. It made me laugh.
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>>388523704
When one end of of Earth's orbit to the other has around sixteen minutes of light lag on communications you can safely assume most of space is going to be effectively lawless. Plenty of those solar panels are gonna have small habitats built onto them, soliciting all sorts of wares and services. Space truly is the ANCAP dream, no roads either.
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>>388523704
the earlier you build the more power you'll get, the more power you'll get the more you can build
It stops becoming a conflict soon enough
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Alright i dont know ANYTHING about science and dyson spheres, but where exactly does the energy the dyson sphere generates come from?
Does it syphon it from the/a sun?
How does it do that?
How do you get energy from a random planet?
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>>388524348
It would basically be a swarm of very efficient solar panels.
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>>388524348
theres like vacuum cleaner that sucks up the sun's fire and turns it into AA batteries
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>>388487625
this
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>>388506543
This needs more (You)s come on guys this anon worked hard on this post.
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>>388502191
Not on all planets, especially considering /transhumans/
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>>388504659
Should've come up with a better name before putting the idea out there.
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>>388526167
stop samefagging
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>>388524348
A dyson sphere is made around the sun, and it gets the energy (all of the energy) of the sun.

It's generally rendered as a giant, solid object, but realistically it'd be a bunch of smaller objects, likely 'statites' (static satellites). The interior bits pointing towards the sun would be a bunch of solar panels, and then you might put other stuff on 'top' of those if you'd like, like living spaces or something.

A Dyson sphere around a planet is a weird concept I can't see any benefit from, aside from more space to do stuff 'on' a planet.
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