>buy this because apparently arena fps are god tier >proceed

>babby needs his hand held in a team based shooter because he can't get good by himself

>>388470140
gitgud

>>388470240
>>388470302
No wonder this genre died.

>>388470140
I was new when I played the QC beta and I still had fun even if I didn't win. The fast paced gameplay and map control was fun. I just don't like the classes and abilities.

>>388470140
bind guns to their own key
q rockets
e lightning gun
r rail is a good start
learn to circle jump / strafe jump
learn to combo weapons properly
what coast are you? i dont mind playing with shitters

>>388470140
its not about winning, it's about those little moments
like the time you killed some dude that had the quad and you went on a small rampage with it

>>388471391
>>388471423
>>388471528
Should I stick to the team modes for now? I've only played deathmatch so far.

>>388471719
play TDM if your new
every game is going to have that one guy that got like 2 /3 kills
we were all there at one point

>>388470140
here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odwpZUehyZA

>>388471719
You should, also try to focus on learning where the weapons like the rocket and lighting gun are on each map as well as trying to pick as many health and armos you can.

>>388472315
Armor*

>>388470140
Just play as the doomguy and bumrush people with rage.

Also move around a lot, it helps.

>>388471719
do they still have those little tutorial videos? I remember watching them and being super surprised at how well they leveled them for new players.
I can't tell you how many times I've talked to my friends when they started quake and they didn't even think to collect health and armor after a fight.

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>>388470140

>Play game for 20 years
>Pretty decent at it but not on a pro level because its just a game
>New kids coming into the scene are crying that they need to learn how to properly play the game to get kills and there isnt no instant gratification button like in CoD or Overwatch

Sorry kiddo but you need to learn the ropes. Dont get upset that someone who's been practicing a skill for so long is better than you, you just need to put in the time.

>>388472601
Its not really the new players fault, if the game was more populated then he would be playing with people of the same skill and at least this anon actually wants to learn instead of just quitting like most do.

Hopefully when this becomes f2p it will have more newcomers so they can have their own matches, i really hate when new players leave, thats why i never trash talk them even if they on my team.

>>388471391
>QC
>map control
lol

LMAO Im expecting bethshitters to introduce casual mode or make everyone slower so console casual babies can win 50/50 ration.

>>388473431
?

>>388473493
Game is not even going to consoles, retard.

So how intrusive are the abilities, really? Are they still enabled in Duel?

>>388473656
They barely change anything. If a game like Overwatch is 10% skill and 90% counterpicking, Quake Champions is the opposite. Yes they are enabled in Duel.

Also, the Nailguns suck.

>>388473275

Oh no its never the new players fault, but Quake isnt a casual game and it, at least it should, be known for its depth/difficulty. I hope it gets big once it goes f2p as well.

>>388473656
They are part of the core game, like special moves in arcade fighter games.
I hated the idea at first, but they actually fun to use.

>>388473829
That's a relief. I'll probably pick this up eventually, then

>>388473656

Did you not watch the tournament that happened during Quakecon? The abilities seem pretty balanced and yeah theyre enabled in Duel. It was actually pretty great to watch.

HUH

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>>388470140
What was your first experience with arena FPS like?
>be 28 years old
>be console player all my life...
>like playing many games but gravitate towards 3D platformers, FPS, and stealth games.
>Metroid Prime Hunters comes out on the DS 2006
>played the hell out of it at home and even at school.
>Played it until the L button on the DS stopped working (then bought another one, lol)
>2009
>build my first PC
>start playing lots of PC FPS like Valve games and DOOM
>Discover TF2, Quake, and Unreal Tournament
>Love the hell out of fast FPS despite my skill being average
>Arena FPS have low populations during this time
>Fast forward to now and arena FPS are coming back

Time to git gud and tear things up :)

>>388473552

Not him, but it's a bit less important this time around, at least as far as weapons go

>maps with 2 RL spawns, 2 LG spawns are common
>a few choice maps have 3

You still need to control quad and mega obviously. Also, a lot of ammo from regular weapon pickups in this, 150 cells on the LG seems to last forever. You don't have to go hunting for ammo very often

>>388471719
dm is a mess

>>388474120
I started at pretty young age, was 19 years old when i played CTF in Unreal tournament but i didnt knew how to actually play, i didnt care much about skill, cared more about just fucking around in new maps and all i did mostly was trying to capture, when UT died i pretty much abandoned the genre until Quake Live came out, fun game but got tired of getting my ass handed to myself so thats when i started to care about getting skilled, i can say i have a pretty decent level now.

The best way to play quake is to get a group of friends together and play LAN duels. Prove me wrong.

>>388474207
Map control is also positioning and thats just as important in QC as ever was in any arena shooter.

>>388475352
okay
the best way to play quake is 1 flag ctf in team arena on mp_terra2

>>388473640
it appeals to console shitters because overwatch you faggot. also bethshitters won't miss a 60+ million base, expect console versions.

>>388472594
they have a playable tutorial now

>>388473431
yes its crucial

>>388473656
they honestly make the game better for me

>>388470140
no, they just want more targets to shoot at, not necessarily easy targets to shoot at.
I mean, arena FPS have flaws but they're 10x better than other FPS.

>>388470140
Can someone tell me why a AAA studio would put their game in early access ?

>>388476872
$$$$$$$$$

>>388470140
make keybinds for quick switch on your weapons and prefire shit and youll do fine

>>388471719
yes team modes are infinitely better tthen deathmatch. way less chaotic

>>388470140
There are plenty of bad players on it right now and you should not be rewarded for starting a game out. Those vets are beating you with raw fundamentals and reactions get fucked.

>>388476925
According to the player count it looks more like -$

>>388472504
his rage is too "hard" to use. id say scalebearer honestly

>>388470385
This genre died because FPS/shooters in general attract the lowest of the low like you and OP you faggot. Because you cannot stand mechanical depth that requires you to spend more then 10 seconds with a game and that plateaus exist between you and actual good players to the extent where getting 1 kill on them in match for you is usually a pipe dream.

Thank god fighting games naturally scare you cunts away and only Capcom shit has been poisoned.

>>388476007
>Muh overwatch!
No console version, retard. Champions appeals to players who have been playing Quake instead of being worthless shitposters.

>>388477197
Doomguy has other advantages over Scalebearer though: higher base movespeed, double jump and non-gigantic hitbox

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>>388474120
what the fuck you're 39?

>>388477263

WRONG

This genre died because people forgot how to have fun. Most of them had mod communities, fun maps, surfing, trickmaps/rocket jump/mods/ rocket race/fuckaround maps/tiny arena/mutators etc.

You didn't play quake or ut99 as a kid because it was for people who were hot shit, no one gave a fuck about it being hard or pro back then, they bought it for the campaign and potential for fun, then you got gud from playing it so much.

How soon we forget.

>>388474207
Maps like Blood Covenant(Campgrounds) which only have one RL and LG spawn and is the most played map for duel still require and will reward whoever controls the map, guy is just a retarded shitposter, maybe he should go play his dead quake/cpma clones instead.

>>388477689
ChaosUT was my shit back in the day, I loved grappling around and blowing shit up.

>Shitters getting mad they get raped because they realize they have no fundamentals spacing or map control and have been playing trash where Halo/COD have become norms in the skill cap for what they need to learn.

Sad as fuck man.

>>388477689
So in other words, they died because game devs think people can't handle mapmaking anymore, even though Halo proved otherwise

>>388477689
>People forgot how to have fun.

What does this even mean? The genre died because shitters couldn't have fun the second they popped it in and were insecure about being shit. The movement/map control took too much for them.

Of course as a kid i played them for fun and loved them as i do now even when i've gotta much much better at UT and such. But the modern gamer has now grown up with shit like COD4.

>>388478003
It means they died because the same industry logic that pushes out one trick pony COD shit shooters also is now producing one trick pony PRO MLG HARDCORE ARENA shooters under the same marketing and failing because the game only does one thing which is eating shit until you get gud.

That wasn't the only thing you could do in ut99/2004 and quake.

>>388478003
Games were designed for fun and silliness, not deliberately engineered from the blueprint stage as 'we want the e-sports audience'

>>388477689
This so fuckin much, the real pros even had their own servers, they didnt really jump on the most populated servers where most people just played for fun back then, it was all about playing new maps and mods, UT99 CTF in servers like unreal playground and StrangeLove mod servers will always be the best time i will ever had in any online game and skill wasn't really the focus, none of that e-sports cancer, back then becominga pro was just for a few selected players, now everyone wants to be one.

>>388478179
Modern multiplayer game design begs to differ.

>>388478192
>StrangeLove mod servers will always be the best
MY FUCKING NEGRO

>Nights of sitting up until 4am while laughing my tits off at hilarious fuckups on slv maps.

Remember the giant toilet tube one with CTF?

this is the fun shit that is missing.

>>388470140
>How exactly am I supposed to find any fun in this?
you only have fun if you're winning?

>>388472601
>games
>skill
kek

>>388478594
>hi i hate normalfags but isn't anything a normalfag wouldn't do so cringeworthy?

>>388477595
I'm 28

>>388478363
>Remember the giant toilet tube one with CTF?
I think i do, there was a lot of crazy and weird maps back then, we even had some iraq maps which had osama pictures in the walls and shitty allah akbar music playing in the background, also huge maps like one that you spawned in an aircraft carrier and the enemy flag was in some island.

Great times and yeah it's just missing, nowadays along with small communities and clans spawning every time a new shooter was released.

>>388478302
Modern multiplayer games are ass

>>388477985
Not always, Far Cry 2 had terrible maps and COD remakes and that was it.

I love Champions I don't get why people hate it too much. I am really impressed they managed to bring in all the different movespeeds from every Quake game and have it feel balanced. I still hope they bring in a Strogg or somebody from 4 so that it plays more similar to that movement, that was the one I was best at.
>hurrdurr shit game
The campaign might have been but the multiplayer was fine.

You know what they; when you play with the best.

>>388479113
Extremely well selling and popular ass that're replaced every few months

I still have to unlearn some habits from other FPS games but this is my first quake game I've played seriously and I enjoy it even in matches where it feels like I'm completely outskilled. Hopping around and trying to frag people is just really fun. Playing the F2P version and will probably drop the 30 on it for the whole roster when I get tired of Ranger.

>>388479321
All toasters toast toast?

A shame stats and abilities ruins an otherwise good game.

when will they fix the shitty netcode

also rail shots getting blocked by tiny 2 pixel wall details is fucking infuriating

>>388471719

You should also learn the maps and the way your favorite hero builds speed. Because when you take all the important stuff like armors and 200 hp lifes and your enemy doesn't, you don't die immediatly if you make a mistake, unlike your opponent who has to play very carefully.

In more team-based modes it doesn't matter as much because you die very quickly in those anyway. Still good to have map knowledge so you can figure out the fastest routes to your own base to deliver the objective, etc.

>>388473829
Nailgun and Tribolt are garbage weapons, what were the devs thinking adding these 2 weapons in the arsenal?

>>388480989
I feel like they are good weapons for area control not so much for actually killing stuff, maybe the nailgun in close quarters

>>388480989

They are "if opponent chases you"-weapons, good in chokepoints but not much else.

>>388480989
tribolt is good for spamming portals, nailgun is for spamming hallways

they just split up the q3 grenade launcher into two different weapons to reduce its effectiveness. which was completely unnecessary imo. people who complained about the nade launcher were like noobs who whined about the AWP in counter strike

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>>388480989
Nailgun in particular makes me mad cause its supposed to replace Plasma and while you can do minor climbs with it you can't do a lot of the older ones like getting rail on blood covenant

>>388479207
>Far Cry 2 had terrible maps
>he never played a recreation of d-day, pirate ships with gas bottle missile cannons, capture the flag between 2 towers in a void, a floating ratmaze or a goddamn space ship battle
FC2's map making scene was the most creative I'd seen since the 90s, especially how generally well used it's crappy snap-together system was.

>>388479724
Is that supposed to be a pro?

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>>388482408
In this industry in this day and age. Yes. It's all about making cheap FOTM garbage that makes a good profit, tossed aside just in time for the next piece of shit.

>1st time playing
>1st game is TDM
>enemy team has a good player that destroys my team with 27 kills
>still win 50-37 because me and my team as a collective score 11+ kills each
>is in 2nd place with 13 kills

Feels good for my first game man

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I also just bought this, but I used to play UT2k4 back when it came out.

I had major fun even in my first couple matches. It was exciting. Haven't had that much fun playing a game in a long time, actually.

>>388470140
>How exactly am I supposed to find any fun in this?
Play more and get better? Or you could just give up and go back to minecraft

Is this even worth buying? Seems dead in playerbase already.

>>388485264
Don't go by the Steam charts. The F2P version doesn't show up for obvious reasons. I'm able to get into a game within 30 seconds. Lots of people are playing.

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>>388485264
The steam player count doesn't count people who aren't using steam to play it. You'll find a match within under a minute typically or even under 30 sec.

>>388485354

I've seen a lot of people shit all over this though, are there some underlying problems with the new Quake game or something?

>>388481578
>they just split up the q3 grenade launcher into two different weapons to reduce its effectiveness. which was completely unnecessary imo. people who complained about the nade launcher were like noobs who whined about the AWP in counter strike

What the shit? I've never seen anyone complain about the GL in any Quake. It's easily the hardest weapon to kill with, basically a RL but much more demanding

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>>388481825

Why haven't you played Duel yet?

>>388485468
Not gonna lie the netcode at times is shit. Rockets don't register and there's a memory leak issue. The free to play version offers one champion with the ability to unlock more champions with favor. You get favor from playing matches and completing challenges. In the time I've bought the champions pack I think I've unlocked 9-10 champions to own from backpacks.

>>388486585
I played duel on the beta, not really into it on the early access. I had a 3.5 kdr

>>388486741
Why is everyone in denial about the netcode? They act like rocket and rail duds are rare but they happen every couple of matches to me

Some guy defending it on the previous thread said that dud rockets happen "1-5%" of the time, which is an insane number, 1 in 100 rockets not doing damage is nuts considering I almost always fire all of them from a pickup, and 5% would mean 1 in 20 are a dud, which is even more insane

Keep in mind, this happened on QL very rarely, and on UT too. Playing over the internet is always going to have weird things happening, but QC has them happening way too often

>>388487087
Well the netcode is shit and people complain about it in chat a lot. The rail shots aren't a problem, it's the rockets. They said they fixed the problem months ago and it's still present.

I played QL when it was still a (((browser game))), I don't remember the rockets not connecting.

>The Unreal Tournament legacy died for this

>>388487582
UT4 is shit and the netcode is still garbage. This is coming from a 18 year vet of playing UT99. I retired when QC went to EA.

>>388487661
Well I say that UT4 is the best arena shooter not only now but maybe ever made and this is coming from a 20 year old vet playing all the UTs and also I am the Master of the Universe.

>>388487784
wtf i hate the universe now

>>388486585
the current maps are too big for a 1v1 mode

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>>388481825
Posted here before.
Sorlag players have become my natural enemy.

>>388488017
https://my.mixtape.moe/egcyby.webm

>>388487996
True. Would love to see them port over Longest Yard. Still my favorite Quake 3 map

>>388488017
Step up your kdr. It's disgusting.

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>>388488153
I'm trying.

>>388488401
Try with a better champion. Doom guy is shit. Sorlag is considered one of the better champions to play.

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>>388473275
The only way to get casual newcomers into the game is through AAA marketing. Legacy and word of mouth just nets you the veterans and the hadcore base which is never enough to sustain multiplayer games no matter how dedicated.
Before CoD and Overwatch, Quake and UT were the shooters that the Activisions of yesterday poured all their money towards. And it worked. The difficulty is going to be shining the big publisher spotlight back on them.

>>388488521
>doomguy is shit
and that's just wrong.

>>388488606
His hitbox is broken
His active ability is spam left mouse and prey for a kill
He lags around when he walks

he's shit

>>388488606
>>388489046

By wrong I mean it shouldn't be that way, for clarity, his berserk ability is pretty shit compared to the other champions, Sorlag's massive HP and armor pools along with her useful acid spit is bullshit.
stupid post cooldown

>>388489105
sorlag goat desu

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>>388488521
>Doom Guy is shit

I can't believe this is a legitiment sentence that can be said, what the fuck Bethesda.

What did you do to my marine?

>>388489279
Ranger seems half decent at least.
HUH

>>388489105
BJ's ability is also kinda shit

Duration is too short to make good use of dual wielding

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So is it less dead now?
I tried it not too long ago and it was deader than those games you think they're dead. Not undead but dead as your hopes and dreams. Dead as 30min matchmaking to connect you to a eskimo watching porn in an outpost.

Is it not dead anymore? I kinda want to play some arena shooting even if it's Quake.

>>388489475
Doom guy is broken. At least his hitbox is broken. Anarki's hitbox is also fucked.

>>388489549
Ranger is good for a starting champion for F2P players.Just keep playing until you unlock another champion.

>>388489736
I can find a match under a minute.

>>388477263

>The genre died because it takes too much skill and dedication to get gud at!

Meanwhile, real physical sports are as popular as ever despite taking more skill and dedication then video games and also having more massive skill ceilings

>>388489843
>I can find a match under a minute.
Nice then I'm gonna download it from the Bethesda shitware because I can't play for free from Steam.

>>388489843
I don't even have the game. I don't think my PC can handle it.

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>>388477263
Nah that's wishful thinking

>>388489962
Have fun and don't get frustrated. Usually the ranger players are F2P depending on the level.

>>388489983
Specs?

>>388490180
Intel pentium g3220, 8 gb RAM and an NVIDIA GeForce GTX 750

>>388490180
>Have fun and don't get frustrated. Usually the ranger players are F2P depending on the level.
I play UTAlpha and hosted UT2004 games not too long ago
I just want to feel the skill rising in any game you know what i'm saying
I love Titanfall 2 but i'm burned out of it. I want to feel that satisfactorious SQUASH in mid air when a rocket hits against someone.

Is Warsow alive? are people plaiyng it?

>>388490359
This could easily run the game fine. You can find out when you install the (((Bethesda))) launcher and install QC F2P

>>388490467
Hell no. Warsow, Reflex are dead games.

>>388490605
I'm not keen about installing that bethesda launcher though, it seems like a shit show. I'm willing to wait for it become F2P on Steam, as I'm not confident enough in this game to shell out 30 dollery doos for it

>>388490682
Like I said when you play the F2P game you can unlock champions just by playing. I unlocked the same champions that I owned 9-10 times.

>>388481825

Post LG acc.

>>388490882
Yeah unlocking champions doesn't sound so bad. You start with ranger and he seems well rounded, and his dire orb is pretty fucking cool.

>>388490682
It's not that bad, it's really bare bones and if it'll launch in like five seconds. You'll need a Bethesda account anyway even for the steam version so you might as well get a head start.

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One character that will be in any of the DLC:
Morgan Yu
The ability, if done right, could be very awesome

>>388490994
What's an LG account?

>>388491009
Ranger is a good champion. I'm doing a couple rune challenges for him and he's decent.

>>388490882
Do you get champions in regular loot crates or only in the reliquary ones?

>>388491257
Every crate offers a champion to own.

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>>388470140
I'm an afps shitter who can't air rocket, hit jack diddly shit with nails, shock combo, dodge, crouch slide, rocket/rail combo, have immense trouble with Anarki, and even I can handle Quake Champions quite regularly. Some negative K:D matches, some satisfactory K:D matches. You just need to keep playing, get into the adrenaline and get a groove going.

>>388476872
When the game is made for the community, you cannot fine tune everything internally. You need real players to play it regularly, take in feedback regularly, and mold it accordingly for at least a few months time.

>>388491257
i got visor from a regular crate you get from levelling up

Arenafags are the worst. Quake gets a new release and you can't give the damn thing away because people have moved on, deal with it. Quake Champions is worse than Lawbreakers and Lawbreakers is shit.

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>mfw playing as Clutch

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzO2mi4uHAs

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>be me
>get 120 fps on quake live
>get 30 fps on this
HOW did they fuck up this badly, /v/? Was it Todd?

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Why a public resonance haven't occured yet around the studio director Tim Willitz, who is beyond all those "20+ years or quaking" videos actually is a sick sadist bastard who beats his wife when she gives a birth to girls, not boys as he demands (to play later in his so called "CORRUPTED KEEP") ?

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>>388492301

>>388492187
>120 fps in a 1999 engine being a measure of anything

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>>388492301
Such journalists should really keep away from the id software studio

>>388470140
Is this post supposed to be ironic? You are essentially saying

>Buy this game because the genre is supposed to be good
>Lose to people who played more than me
>How am I supposed to enjoy something if I'm not immediately as good as somebody with 20 years experience?

>>388492187
>only 120fps in quake live

Lmao

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>>388492560
Among the staff only Carmack could escape the slavery. But he knows that if he start talking publicly about what happened all these years, Tim Willitz thugs will cut out all his family

>>388492525
>f2p game
>requires gaming rig to play
Todd, please stop. No one wants to play "Skyrim with rocketjumps".

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>>388492560
Also sicko Timmy decided to keep alive Johnathan 'Fatal1ty' Vendel, as nobody would believe him if he starts to reveal what happened in his Quake3 years when he visited id software basement as a 'guest star'

>>388478003
No you fucking retards.

The genre died because it was never that popular to begin with.

It's basic market theory. Quake didn't sell nearly as well as Halo. Halo became the standard, everything tries to be like Halo. Cod comes out and sets a new standard, everything tries to be like CoD. Each of these games reached higher and higher sales target. It got to the point that mediocre games like Medal of Honor CoD Ripoff Edition sold more than arena shooters ever did.

Nobody changed, the market just grew, and is it grew it tended towards whatever would bring in bigger and bigger bucks.

There was never any evidence anywhere in existence that something like Quake could be as popular as something like CoD.

>>388492187
>getting 120fps only on a old ass engine

>>388478125
Hmmm... got me thinking (no meme).

Really does seem like the middle area has been completely removed.

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>>388492891

>>388477263
I also love arena fps and fighting games.
You're retarded, though.

>>388492891
>Asrock
How the mighty have fallen; to be sponsored by shitty manufacturers kek
For his brand to survive, he really needs to get out there and compete again. It's not impossible - Voo, the guy he destroyed in a finals match many years ago, got into the duel finals of this year's quakecon only to be destroyed by a rude 19 year old

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>>388492752
But there are hundreds who can't escape the abusing slavery of sadist. Such as limp SynError, who incurs horrible things under sedative drugs

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>>388492891
Can't wait for a revival of this

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>>388493281
On the next morning, (s)Addam walks around like nothing happened

>>388493313
>12 time world champion
Of what? Shit games? lmao

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>>388493281
Tim's speech written in the name of this picture

>>388471423
The only thing I'd add to this is

grab shield and health as often as possible

Drops in Quake are the main way of winning. You get better shit, your opponent won't be able to keep up, even if your raw skill is less than theirs

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>>388493313
"I love when you are full of this shit, my golden taurus boy!"

>>388493515
Me on the left

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>>388492301
Some of Tim's adopted / bought sons are grown up now!

I wonder who could be behind this thread

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>>388492752
So if someone lives in America and wants to rescue these guys, call police and start the investigation of the case "HIDEOS ID SOFTWARE" at that GayLord resort hotel !

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haven't played a real fps since ut2004
what am i in for

reminder
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJN1VvfHO4M

>>388494153
Patience

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>>388493632

>>388494153
I dunno I'm not you

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>>388492301

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>>388494290
>that backstory
Dear god.

>>388494841
I swear I wasn't trying dude ...
I didn't want to adjust my controller with like, 10 different free look sliders man ...

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Seriously about this appeal >>388494110 because such pathologic bastards should not be allowed to make games for our children!

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>>388492301
Is this the face of mercy?

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>>388494290
>>388494924
>that rematch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DF5hqdc510g
>getting gauntlet spanked that hard
jesus christ my sides

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>>388495569

>>388491176
He meant accuracy

>>388493118
Don't Quakedads like to bully young freshmen

>>388493118
Difference is that Vo0 is actually good and Fatal1ty is a scrub.

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>>388477689
Yep.
I started playing Online FPS with QuakeWorld in 1997. Back in the beginning everyone was a casual noob, and you got to play with a wide assortment of people of various skill levels and video game tastes. Because the original "arena" shooters weren't made with the intention of jerking off people's skill centers. They were just single player FPS assets rearranged in a Vs. Mode format. Aspects like speed and tactical depth were just byproducts of developers experimenting rather than an intricately crafted project to distill the ultimate top-tier professional environment. That's right, long ago arena shooters were about as full of casuals as current shooters are now, and they were better off for it.
I can't imagine going back to those old games now with the direction their audiences have taken, inbreeding every outsider aspect of the community to the point where it's a nightmarish parody of its former self. At least not by myself. And this is the big problem we're facing: word of mouth hype isn't going to work because a scattered trickle of players will just end up facing an unnecessary environment that people like myself were lucky enough to avoid. Your choice is to either play games with restrictive mechanics or games with restrictive communities. The only solution is to try and recreate the environment these shooters had when they were first release, and that requires a mass influx of newcomers that can sustain themselves and make a space that the original online FPS adopters did. And the one thing that can make that a reality is AAA marketing and advertising, something that can only be done by corporations outside of our control.

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I'm surprised with how much Quake Champions is brought up on /v/ and the amount of shitposting about how the older games are better, no one has hosted a Quake 1 or Quake 3 server.
I'd kill for a weekly /v/ Quake server like how we get with TF2 or Risk Of Rain.

>>388470140
It was never good but it was the only thing we had which wasn't absolute shit.

>>388497312
Because /v/ doesn't actually play video games, they just want to see anything new crash 'n burn especially if it has a big-name dev attached to it.

>>388497124
To this day you get clueless people claiming Fat is better, 'cause he won that CPL final for Painkiller, a bullshit game that got picked as the duel game only because it was new and had (at the time) good graphics - and the CPL was sponsored mostly by hardware vendors, no doubt pressure from them

>>388497380
I play video games. I've been playing the original Quake recently.
For the first time, I feel like a jackass too because I've played 2, 3, and 4. But never the first one until recently, and it's fucking amazing.

>>388497489

Quake 1 is my favorite FPS campaign of all time. I replay it yearly at least

You have no idea what's in store for you, by the way. Quake 1 has SP content to keep you occupied for the next 10 years, much of it as good or better than the default maps

Download Quake Injector to easily browse and install custom content. Also, don't be a pleb and use GLQuake straight up, get Quakespasm and set up CD music, and disable texture filtering

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>>388497489
Good on you! When you're done with it, play both official expansion packs. Then hit up Quaddicted and go through twenty-odd years of additional collected community-made singleplayer stuff.

>>388497380
No, I want to see shitty games get canned and it looks like quake champions is already headed down the road of just being twitch bait garbage.

They need to stop with these hero types and just give me Battlefield 4 level of content and gameplay.

>>388497658
>don't be a pleb and use GLQuake straight up, get Quakespasm and set up CD music, and disable texture filtering
Already did that, grabbed the resources from the /vr/ doom thread OP, soundtrack is great and I love the gritty look of the game, I had my doubts about the guns and combat from the gameplay I've watched but I was so fucking wrong.

The gunplay and combat is slower than Doom, that's for sure, but the guns feel good to use and the combat has its own dance to it. Doom is like a waltz with anywhere from 5 to 15 partners, Quake is more like a mosh pit with 6 and it's harsh.

>>388497764
That's the plan, I also want to play Arcane Dimensions because that looks fucking sweet.
Really I feel like a giant dickwagon for not playing Quake until just recently, I've put so much time into Doom 1 and 2 and its modding scene, both playing and creating mods. So coming into all of this is kinda nuts.

>>388493313
He pays people to host him on twitch. pathetic.

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>>388497312
/v/ tends to be wrong about a lot of things. The game is fun.

>>388470140
this got early access? i stopped playing it. I was in the close beta. does that mean i lost all the characters? cause people in closed beta had all the characters unlocked.

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>>388498035
I think it's fun.
All I'm saying is I'd kill for a server where I could frag with some /v/ros

>>388498027
source?

>>388470140
literally gitgud

actual protip: Play the DOOM MP for a while to get the hang of it, lots of shitters in DOOM MP to stomp

anyway, when does this shit go free2play? i refuse to pay for a bethesda product without trying it first

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>>388498080
Same.

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>>388497891
Yeah, Quake is definitely a different beast from Doom, and I feel like a lot of people give it a bad rap because they're so used to Doom's mach-10 running speed, simpler but numerous enemies and all-killing super shotgun that they try to play Quake too much like it and get angry and quit. They try to circle strafe everything to death and that fails the first time a Death Knight decides to give chase instead of using his fire wall or they meet a Vore and learn the 'joys' of homing projectiles. Not to say you can't go fast in Quake- given it's the game that fucking invented speedrunning, you can clear whole levels a hell of a lot faster than the devs intended, even just getting around rooms can be so much faster due to the verticality added of an actual 3D engine.

That being said I'm biased as hell because I like Q1 way, way more than Doom and think sprite-based games look like fucking shit nowadays (especially with the average art skill [read: screencap guns and pixelate the edges] of the average Doom wad), but low-poly with a solid art style and great texturework like Quake uses is timeless.

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>>388498180
Doom only gets a leg up, if ever, because of how easy it is to create enough assets for a complete experience (wad) all done by one person, where as a Quake/Half-Life mod requires more than one, or even a team if it's a total conversion.

>>388498180
Yeah I can see there's a massive difference from Doom in terms of its combat but I like how this works, Ogres are fucking genius in their design and they're a lot of fun to fight. My only gripe with Quake's gameplay is the axe is super useless, like I get that your starting melee weapons is shit to make the other weapons feel valuable but god damn Id you outdid yourself with making the Axe as unsatisfying as possible to use. Other than that, all of the other guns I've used have been a joy to shoot, the shotguns are definitely not as powerful as their Doom counterparts but they're still reliable workhorses that get the job done well.

When I make weapons for my doom mods, I usually frankensprite stuff out of pre-existing guns made by the community so things don't look like shit. I'm a big stickler for that.

>>388470140
This is the most casual cop out ever. What a pathetic excuse for shitters who don't even try. You want to get good at FPS games? You have to grin and bear getting raped by the best for a few weeks. I spent a month doing scout DM 1v1s in TF2 years ago and it helped my aim so much. I could finally win rounds off those elite DM nerds. You have to do a funny thing called 'practice'.
Granted I got raped 90% of the time. But I didn't give up because I'm not a whiny fucking casual like OP. And those rounds where you DO take a victory or even just a few lives off your opponent feels amazing.
Either git gud or fucking kill yourself OP jesus fuck you're such a whiny bitch.

>>388498598
This is why arena shooters are dead.

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>>388498372
True, but the possibilities of Quake are so, so much more than Doom that it's almost pathetic. The fact you even mention Half-Life is a testament to what can be done with ol' Quake 1 engine/id tech 2, and the best part is that once you start digging around and learning QuakeC, pretty much whatever you make will run in any sourceport or even the original engine, with the maps themselves being the usual hurdle (map size in units or entity count usually). There's no shit-pissing around with seven different languages developed by some German guy to use in a single Doom sourceport to accomplish one thing, no five different tools to add 'things' to a 'lump' (whatever the fuck that means), no having to use hackneyed port-specific bullshit just to make a fucking 3D bridge- you've got your brushes, you've got (a limited version of) C, you've got your .tga textures, and you've got qbsp, vis, and light. Don't need anything more than that, really.

Unless you want to make custom models. That's definitely a big trip-up for people- there's no drawing a sprite in MSPaint/GIMP/Photoshop and calling it a day with Quake, you've gotta learn 3D modeling, UV mapping, good texturing, animating, and then you've gotta make it all comply with Quake's limits and art style.

>>388498530
The axe is primarily used to open doors and hit buttons that don't work by touching them- remember, Quake has no +use key, and some maps can get pretty stingy on ammo (not to mention if you're out of shells/nails the last thing you want is to use rockets on a wall right in front of you). You can also use it against stuff like Knights if you're gutsy, but yeah, it's pretty useless.

The shotguns are weaker than Doom's, but that's because they're all moved down a tier- the single shotgun takes the pistol slot as your midrange hitscan gun (and is INFINITELY more useful), and the double barrel takes the normal shotgun slot (up-close damage dealer that turns to crap at midrange).

>>388498701
Exactly. These games got such a big audience in the old days because back then you DIDN'T have to put up with the shit that >>388498598 did. See >>388497230

>>388498806
Going further in Quake weapon talk, I actually think the Blaster from Quake 2 was pretty okay, it had crap damage fire rate, but it had infinite ammo at least so you could safely poke enemies to death, and playing Quake 1 is definitely giving the hankering to make a little Quake 1 and 2 themed weaponset for Doom in the future. I've always loved how Quake 1 meshes sci fi with gothic medieval shit and it reflects in the arsenal too.

Fuck, I want to see more games like this in the future.

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>My hand eye coordination skills went to shit
>At best I get a 1:1 Kill Count in Quake Champions
>Game is still fun and I strive to get better

Just recognize you're a scrub and keep playing, you'll pick up on how to improve your game. Scoring direct hits with the Rocket Launcher is more fun than any other Online FPS.

>>388488017
>0.55
Hello me

>>388498941
In every contest there is a winner and loser. PUBG is popular cause even the biggest retard on the server can blunder his way to victory. In QC, that ain't gonna happen

>>388470140
Alright, my internet isn't good enough to make my own Quake 3 server but I found one that's running well and we could just use that for now.
You can download ioquake here, this'll help the game run and look a little smoother on newer hardware.
https://ioquake3.org/
And you can join the game here.
216.86.155.166:28358

>>388470140
git gud

>>388499607
>In QC, that ain't gonna happen

It can and does happen in something chaotic like DM. Some retard feeds the quad to the guy in 2nd or 3rd place 1min away from the end of the map and he gets 6 easy kills with the LG. If you map skill to numbers, 1 to 10, in DM a 7 player can beat a 10 on the scoreboard, because it's a server with a lot of people and there's no way the 10 can control all of them

Then again, if the skill disparity is huge, say a 9 or a 10 amongst a server of 2s and 3s, it can happen that he will completely control the chaos in his favor every single time