Why are Japanese composers so much better than western composers?

>copy obscure music
>hope your target audience doesn't notice
video game composers are just musicians who couldn't make it in the music industry, just like how video game writers couldn't make it in hollywood.

>No Soichi Terada
OP as always, is a faggot

>No Yuzo Koshiro
I can only assume OP wasn't thinking clearly due to all the dicks in his mouth cutting off the air getting to his brain.

>no kenji ito
>no minami matsumae
>david wise best song is stickerbrush symphony
>koji kondo amd nobuo uematsu are considered good in any way
fuck off normie

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>no Go Shiina
>no Miki Higashino

Also Eruyt Village is not Sakimoto's best song.

Hajime Wakime, Yuka Tsujiyoko, and ACE+ are missing.

I would also say Harry Gregson WIlliams, if his best work wasn't plagurised

>>388454073
you posted the image so why don't you start?

>>388454073
>No Masafumi Takakda

Pretty lame. His music is stylish as hell.

>Inb4 Halo
I think Martin O'Donnel is pretty good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWh9l8RSkPk

Marty o donnell. On a side note, movie soundtracks are far better in the west, like ennio morricone. In fact, the most famous orchestra music is all european

>Yoko Shimomura
>(Best Song: Main Theme Xenoblade)
I don't think so, Tim.

>>388454073
Birth of a wish? Really?

I mean it's good, but really?

>>388454882
Williams is hollywood, I don't think he should count really, if we allow non-vidya person made game music than Quake would have to count.

>Stickerbrush Symphony
>Not Haunted Jazz Club
Sure signs of someone who has never played DKC2

>>388455254
hahahaha stay mad whitey

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>>388454073
>Memeatsu and Kondo in anything but mediocre tier
>Hamauzu's best song not from SaGa Frontier 2 or Unlimited
>Implying Shimomura's best work is from Xenoblade
>No Kenji Ito
>No Yuzo Koshiro
>No Masato Kohda
>No Falcom Sound Team
Erase yourself and your abysmal taste OP.

>>388454073
>No Grant Kirkhope
Can you try and hide your weebness a little better dude?
|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aS40K53JQIg&t=4093s

Jeremy Soule is a hack. He doesn't deserve to be among the rest of High Tier.

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>>388454073
>Shimomura's best song Xeno's main theme

>>388454073
>No Yuzo Koshiro

>>388454073
>no Keiki Kobayashi
shit rankings

>No Hiroyuki Sawano
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDbh3lLi1ZY

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>>388455179
>>388455254
These anon's get it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a70h0cX8AMM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoHCpa4rG7I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDSQbCYrXu0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmWbQTtt2dY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kcFE4uFZ9o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBjKWKN6jaI

>>388455518
Kirkhope is good, but I don't know if anybody is going to play a 2 hour video, you should have just done Mad Monster Mansion, Hideout Helm, or the Weldar boss music

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>>388454073
>No Koshiro
>No one from Falcom
>No OGR or Zuntata in general
>No Kirill Pokrovsky
>No Tim Follin, or anyone else from the C64 era.
>No Jesper Kyd
>No Kenji Ito
>No Soken
>Kondo and Uematsu on god tier.
>Those fucking "best song" selections
Did you just fucking grab this from reddit?

>>388455939
>Implying Sawano should be there after NLA night.

There are some really good songs in XBX but when Sawano droppped the ball he really dropped it

>>388454073
>no Tomoya Tomita

And noone complaining, what a bunch of dumb persons

>>388456015
Oh okay, gotcha here is his later work, which yooka lylee reeks of if you play it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdK5ztAELtE

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>>388454073
Pic related is why.
Before the '90s, western popular music was based on the traditional principles of melody, progression, cadence, instrumental precision and harmony. You can see this in the timeless work of bands like the Beatles, the Moody Blues, Yes, ABBA, Fleetwoord Mac etc. Both progressive rock and heavy metal combined aspects of classical music with pop to bridge the two into a fusion that would later define video game music composition.
In the 1980s, the aspect of synthesizers and studio gimmickry along with MTV lowered the expectations of what constituted quality music by distracting the public with shiny technological noises and musicians clad in wacky hairstyles and getups. As a result, a genre known as "alternative rock" was created, where bands such as R.E.M., the Replacements, the Pixies, 10,000 Maniacs, the Stone Roses and so on and so forth stood as a, well, alternative to the mainstream that was being infected with style over substance.
Yet even then, mainstream music still persisted in a standard of musicality even if certain trends were lowering the bar. But as the decade went on, those trends would quickly overstay their welcome, and the public was hungry for something new to satiate them. This was the opening that alternative music had to take the mainstream mantle.
But something went wrong.
That something was Nirvana, a tremendously shitty garage band from Seattle, fronted by a drug-addled loser with not a hint of musical talent. Suddenly, the industry had an idea: use this opportunity to hypnotize the public into thinking an interchangeable zero-talent band devoid of musical value is cool as shit. And it worked. With Nirvana being the new standard, droves of talentless "alternative" bands with no grasp of anything music-related and pop music in the west turned to shit.

>>388456138
>He doesn't like LA Night
It's the day theme that's bad but the night theme is unironically one of the best tracks from the game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3yG_20r338

Their generic orchestral crap isn't just a bunch of rip of The planets
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Isic2Z2e2xs

>>388454073
Your list is retarded because you didn't even mention this masterpiece. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlN7mbkslXo

>>388454073
>he calls instrumentals "songs"

pleb detected

>>388456183
Yeah, I played and enjoeyd YL, and sort of liked the clear transition between composers, like you could tell when it had shifted to Wise incredibly easy.

>>388456308
Day theme isn't great, but a lot better than night

>>388456279
Meanwhile, in Japan, the "grunge" trend of non-alternative alternative passed to public by while they held on to more advanced forms of music like metal (real metal, mind you, not the "metal" that plagued America in the form of glam rock), prog rock and classic rock.
This is why there is such a strong difference in the quality of melody and progression between western and Japanese music. Japan still clings to technical composition based in classical theory, while western scores are amelodic "textures" that use tonal gimmickry to hide their lack of musical value similar to the fancy synthesizers of the 80s and the overwrought guitar distortion of the 90s.
If you go back to the early years of gaming, you will see that western games once had a quality of music composition similar to Japan's. But once Nirvana's despicable influence crept from popular music to the rest of the western musical consciousness, the quality of film and music scores in the west followed, as can be seen by the drastic drop following the fourth console generation.

>>388455939
>Hiroyuki Sawano
>composes for television even for games
He's the Hans Zimmer of vidya

>>388456742
Uhh what the hell do you think a song is?

>>388456745
He's helping compose rabbid xcom and he's still around. His work is much better than many basic
JRPG composers, and helped kinda pioneer the "same song changing instruments" motif I absolutely love.

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>>388456745
Wise's best song.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRxl6KGkaDM

>>388456742
>he calls instruments making sounds"""""music"""""
absolutely disgusting

>>388454073
>No Koshiro

>>388454198

this

https://youtu.be/lpTT2wTlNZM

https://youtu.be/65uHGlMeAvk

>>388457001
I liked the Tenteyecl one, but all the challenge ones were great, and sound like what he did in Tropical Freeze.

>>388456947
Yeah, Kirkhope is the only reason I'm interested in that game.

Also I can't seem to find it, but I love the interview he gave about how he got into vg music, and it was somebody told him to apply and his first reaction was something like "But I don't want to do videogames, I want to be in Judas Priest"

>>388456892
traditionally a song has singing.
I guess you want to be super technical most video game music is "Instrumental Music Recordings"

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Sit down, weebs.

>Best "Song": Birth of a Wish
>not Song of the Ancients
>not Shadowlord
>not Ashes of Dreams
>not Kuroi Uta
I shouldn't expect taste from someone who refers to a piece as a song, but come on.

>>388457045
skimmed the list, came to post this.

>>388456279
>>388456820
do you have any proof to stand these bold statements?

I'm far from being a music connoisseur, I enjoy Nirvana time to time and I honestly can count with my fingers the music i like post 2005, but how the hell did he destroyed it?

>>388456892
Something with singing, dumbfuck.

>>388457586
So Moonlight Sonata, Four Seasons etc.
Are they not classed as songs to you?

>>388455361
ikr. It's a great song, but Song of the Ancients is a thing.

>>388457618
The original Nier's OST was never documented for who did what songs, the only one I know he did for sure from those Nier songs is Songs of the Ancients since he's credited with its arrangement and composition on Automata's OST.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PYI09PMNazw

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>>388454073
>Shoji Meguo (Best Song: Hunting Betrayal)

>>388456892
Don't mind me, I've been conditioned so hard in classical music circles to ridicule anyone who calls anything that doesn't have singing a "song" that I can't help myself. Calling any piece of music a song is so widespread that it's correct at this point. ...but still outs you as a pleb

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TFJ4hN7vxWo

>>388457826
They are to me, but assholes like to get semantic They are compositions.
A recording of someone playing the composition is is a Instrumental Performance Recording

>>388456742
>>388457586
>>388457763
>>388457952
>>388458045
This is more autistic than the cinema vs film vs movie vs flick discussion

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>>388454073
>No Hirokazu Tanaka
>No Kazumi Totaka
It's shit.

>>388458358
What's meant to be the difference between them?

>>388457852
DoD 3's ost was well documented, so we know Kuroi Uta is Okabe.

Spot on on NieR though. Wish someone'd find out so I can tag my shit better.

>>388454073
>Yamaoka anywhere but ASCENDED tier
Trash list.

>>388458663
Yeah I'd really like to know too, Song of the Ancients, Wretched Automations and Grandma were definitely Okabe since he has compositional credits for the rearrangements on Automata and Emil seems to Hoashi has he has compositional credits for the rearrangement on Automata but other than that it seems we'll never know.

It tickles my autism when soundtracks aren't documented when there are multiple composers, Square is also really good about it most of the time too. I even own the physical CD for Nier and the credits are nowhere to be found.

>not exclusively listening to doujin music
plebs

>>388454073
where the fuck is masafumi takada?

>>388454073
>no Ryu Umemoto
I shiggy diggy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWJZIbYyoBw

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>>388454073
>Why are Japanese composers so much better than western composers?

You've never heard of
>jesper kyd
>kirill pokrovsky
>jake kaufman
>david wise
>gustaf grefberg
>mick gordon
>paul romero
>paweł błaszczak
>alexander brandon
>michael mcCann
>etc

?

>>388459286
I was going to put he and Kenji Ito where Soule and Wise were but I felt bad not putting any western composers on there.

Also best Takada song coming through.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uywzdxwqro

>>388454073
>Nobuo "The Hack" Uematsu
>Elder god tier

>No Daisuke Ishiwatari

Fuck off with this trash list

>>388455473
You mean like yourself? Forest Interlude or gtfo.

>>388459573
I love Daisuke but he's the most blatant about ripoffing other musicians.
Like Magnolia Eclair is just straight up Electric Eye.

>no ZUN
opinion discarded

David Wise is superior to all of these

>no danny elfman
disregarded

>>388454073
They actually understand all the technical aspects of creating music, something Europe used to know and something America never had.

>>388454073
I don't pay attention to wester video game soundtrack composers as much, hence I am more likely to value japanese soundtracks over western ones.

I don't think it means anything intrinsically, aside from western games being generally more boring to certain demographics of gamers, who then care less about western soundtrack composers.

>>388454073
>japanese composers are better than western composers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8zIaaU5i_Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ODKKILZiYY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mafip6Am99c

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Ken Nakagawa is elder god-tier.

>>388454073
>Uematsu
>best song Terra's theme
lol nigga that's not even top 3 in its own game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3L_8V3ex2Jo

Meme tier:
>Yuzo Koshiro
>Hitoshi Sakiamoto

>nobody has posted literally the single greatest video game music ever created in any dimension

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-J0H5ah1G7A

Weabs irrecoverably BTFO.

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>no stewart copeland

>>388460485
>Plok
my motherfucking nigga
that game has the best soundtrack i have ever heard in any game. insane that it was made on the snes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZWbqmYtjNQ

>>388459393
I bet most of /v/ doesn't even know who half of these people are.

>no motoi sakuraba

>>388454073
>no Jeroen Tel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFjEkKKKQlo

Honestly the best western composers are indie composers
Tomas Dvorak (Machinarium, Samorost)
Darren Korb (Supergiant Games)
Jukio Kallio (Nuclear Throne, Luftrausers)
Everyone from Hotline Miami and Furi
Michael Kelly (Va-11 Hall-a)
Lifeformed (Dustforce)
Ed Harrison (Neotokyo)
Disasterpiece (Hyper Light Drifter, Fez)
Danny B (Super Meat Boy, Crypt of the Necrodancer)
Module (Shatter)

>>388460980
Name one (1) iconic song from Sakuraba that isn't Gwyn, Lord of Cinder.

>>388459741
This. Why was DKC2 soundtrack so fucking good?

Needs Keiki Kobayashi(Ace Combat) and O'Donnel(Halo). Tim Follin needs his own tiers as well.

>>388454073
>Jeremy Soule
pretty good until you realize literally all his music sounds the same

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfYsDQqzhk8
If you're not glitching your way past the hardware to make masterpieces, you're doing it wrong

>>388460986
You forgot Jake Kaufman.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ao3clVneKk

>no Mahito Yokota

Also, Koji Kondo is incredibly fucking overrated and has some of the shittiest opinions on music ever.

>guhhh Mario shouldn't have orchestrated music because it's a kids game

>>388454198
It's funny how everyone in this thread is ignoring this. Uematsu has even blatantly ripped off old classical pieces when making his music (Dancing Mad), most nip videogame composers are hacks.

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>mfw Japanese poorfags had to listen to this...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZklKNlMDU_Q

>>388461671
He's right though. just because you're hung up over liking a kids game doesn't make him wrong.

>>388461763
>instead of this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=336c51FNHjk

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>no koto hoshino in this thread

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LzUmyXXhiQ

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>no Koichi Sugiyama
Fucking plebs, all of you

>>388461194
I got nothing, I just enjoy his compositions. Unfortunately, he's kind of bound to Bamco

>Uematsu

Does it still count at composing if he's just grabbing riffs from 20 year old Ritchie Blackmore improvs?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRa2pDskGZg&feature=youtu.be&t=6m29s

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>>388461360
>pretty good until you realize literally all his music sounds the same

Never played Evermore?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYbIcdK8aeY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCXLKmvF_Ug
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpdvSNIf4XU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jpy1_c3iu_c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdlFTnr2e34
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eh-LszTLUaU

>>388461856
So you wouldn't be bothered that Mario games would still use MIDI in 2007? That's what he wanted.

>>388461671
He never said that, Yokota originally did a completely different style of music for Galaxy until Kondo said to scrap it. He also did two orchestral pieces himself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qy8Sn6DHIi0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sN2DpfOhTo

Find me a good Western Genesis/MD composer.

>>388454198
>video game composers are just musicians who couldn't make it in the music industry

Yeah, beacuse in the "music industry" it's all talent and all originality.

>>388457154
Man i love Pat Methany

>>388456279
>having to go through fucking mental gymnastics to prove why something you dont like is """"""objectively"""""" bad

autism

>>388454073
>doesn't even have Hiroki Kikuta on the list

>>388455254
>On a side note, movie soundtracks are far better in the west

That goes for most genres of music in general

>>388462406
You're confusing the shit that's going on in hip hop with the rest of music.

>>388462153
Most of those are fucking trash.

>>388458642
Semantics that autists argue about. Imagine a group of men getting mad at each other for calling a Ford F-150 a "pick-up" instead of a "truck" because they believe that the connotation of "pick-up" is more than just an alternate wording for the vehicle and implies that it's designed for heavy load carrying. It's that fucking stupid of an argument to get mad over.

>>388454198
>just like how video game writers couldn't make it in hollywood.
You mean through nepotism? That is not a very good measure of talent, but whatever.

>>388454073
Which Japanese composers have won an oscar again?

>>388454198
>can barely name 2-3 similarities to other songs in a group of 30+ with hundreds of songs each
Nah, fuck off.

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>>388463038
>Japanese people
>winning oscars

>>388460731
Close, but not quite on the level of this masterpiece

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EcgruWlXnQ

Weebs still horrendously BTFO though

>vidya background plinking manufacturers
>notable enough to know their names let alone be put into tiers

>>388454073
Western game music is usually some ambient background noise rather than actual music because western video game developers believe that games need to be movies.

>>388462990
>Most of those are fucking trash.

Anon, there's no need to wave around the shit taste flag.

>>388460485
Posting Tim Follin should be constituted as cheating.

>>388463259
But ambiance set tone more than pure music, and westerners generally set atmosphere better than Japanese, who do more regular music, Sonic CD US soundtack vs JP being an excellent comparison.

>ctr + f
>Yuka Kitamura

You're fucking up, anons! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rdt5XNvPkc

>>388460543
Terra's Theme is better than that, friend.

Also
>ctrl+f Frank Klepacki

All of you are shit. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sB_0wRrZSp8

Swap Kondo and Mitsuda.

>>388458358
Worst part is he's right
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Song

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>>388454073
>Terra's Theme
>Somehow even in the same league of To Zanarkand

Genuinely confused.

>>388464048
He never said it was. Terra's theme is a lot higher rated.

>>388463467
Ambience shit is not memorable. One of the reasons why the Deus Ex soundtrack had lots of memorable tracks while Human Revolution was a non-discernible mush of ambient noise with the exception of the few moments where they actually played the original tracks.

>>388457748
>>388462684

>>388460467

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>>388464182
But it's so average...

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>>388454073
You're just ignorant.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQDab8vT8GU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ckR822Wu4k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpqct1zMqTE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZLmf3n00IM

>>388454243
I actually prefer his output outside of videogames. "Sounds From The Far East" is a GOAT-tier album.

>>388454073
>akria yamaoka
>best song:theme of laura
shit fucking taste my dude

>>388464343
It's nice that you are expressing your opinion, but you are wrong. It's pretty much the best.

>>388464048
>To Zanarkand

Just like the game, massively overrated.

FF8 soundtrack utterly and completely shits on FF10's soundtrack.

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>>388459317

>tfw at 95% for Yu-No.

All I gotta do now is save Kanna, get into the study and finish some stray paths.

Shame I had to resort to a walkthrough for the Mio and Mitsuki route, but I honestly couldn't figure out what I had to do to get them.

>>388456279
Dunning-Kruger: The Post. You read like a college dropout with a fucking sub-zero GPA.

>>388456279
*Tips tinfoil fedora.*

>>388464467
The Mio and Mitsuki routes are pretty complex so I get why you used a guide. To be honest, I used a guide for the entire game since I wanted to 100% on my first try. Might try playing it without one one of these days.

>>388459393
Only Kyd and McCann are well known by name, the other's are literally who tier.

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>>388464359
>Japanese pieces
>Beautiful, articulate pieces that delicately make use of various orchestral instruments

>Western pieces
>DADADADADA WAAAAAAAAUUUUUUWAAAAH RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRARRRRRRRRRARARARARAAAAAA *ROCK AND ROLL* *DRUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUMS AND GUITAR WITH OD CRANKED TO THE MAXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX*

Not to say there are no good western pieces, but you picked some awful fucking garbage.

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>>388464686
>David Wise
>Mick Gordon

>Literally who

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>>388464437
Explain why it's the best then.

Japanese composers use catchy rhythms and melodies.

Western composers just play ambient sounds and ominous tones.

>>388457001
That song is comfy.

>Elder Gods
>Uematsu
>Not Sakimoto

begone thot

https://youtu.be/jgHjpRPxyhA

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>>388454073
>no Ryota Koduka
Pleb as fuck
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MSxaj3VGJ2A

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQv3dCkY2Tk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kcTXUwViWM
Hmmm yes nicely done Japanese Gayme "Composers".

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Literally name one eastern ost that matches the atmosphere of Fallout 1/2 ost

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8Q2WlVuaqs&t=7s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h38zN_vF_dQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7zfrSJUEbY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0M7FAoK3fM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jxn1sqAQ-c

>>388464256
Ambiance is perfectly reasonable and good.
Japanese QuartzQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnUxrDi5Rws&t=24s
AmericanQuartzQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eG4fKoDnHL4&t=44s

Which one makes you feel like you fucked up and made a Bad future? Americans can set tone really good, it's why horror films are famously American made with studios like Universal.

>>388464459
FF8 is probably the most underrated FF game.

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>>388464673

My story went Ayumi first, which honestly was a great route and that ending hit hard, made me wanna not fuck it up again, but accidentally got the Kanna route and did that for the second ending.

I then went Ayumi again, and got the good ending. But I was stuck since I had no idea what to do. I checked a guide for Mio's route start and didn't use one after, but Mitsuki was fucking complex as shit. Getting the silver medal and the jewel required a lot of backtracking and just being plain lucky I guess, Kanna's route to get the Hyperstone was similar.

I'm happy the download I had gave me a walkthrough.

Also that fucking Eriko Eroscene came outta nowhere

>>388464965
>Enemy scaling
Any RPGs that actively discourages combat is usually pretty bad and VIII is no different.

>>388465024
Oh hey, another guy that liked the Ayumi route. That's rare.
Yeah, and the worst part is that Eriko never gets a proper h-scene or a route.

>>388454073
I like Kelly Bailey
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UthQ2gR1bU4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3_c9djkr08
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s22XqGkuIFw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcFdB1lTIRA

>>388464735
They're for a fighting game you daft cunt.

>Beautiful, articulate pieces that delicately make use of various orchestral instruments
Yeah this would fit so well with a brutal fighting game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8KmAsD0yXc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nl57xFzDIM0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSVHx23ByhM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rr7i2gQVO3s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZ5XjRBTEpU

>>388464956
>it's why horror films are famously American made with studios like Universal
Video games are not films, video games are video games.

>>388464686
>literally who tier.

Holy fucking shit end yourself for not knowing
>david wise
>paul romero
>jake kaufman

>>388464781
How might I do that without you simply disagreeing regardless of what I say? If I were to tell you the somber melody, the excellent soundfont choices and instrumentation, and the ability to elicit a feeling of grand adventure and hope while still maintaining the air of melancholy it begins with made it so damn great, you would just disagree or claim that none of that makes it good.

>>388465051
FF9 objectively has worse combat than FF8.

>>388465313
I was pointing out that America has a cultural history with setting good tone, Horror soundtracks are creeping, long, unsettling, not in your face and game sound design will obviously be influenced by other types of electronic media.

Soundtracks do not exist in a cultural vacuum, people can get their start making cartoon songs and then become a gamemaker who makes songs.

>>388464953
Fucking easy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTptg9nedlM

Japan, totally, unequivocally, BTFO

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dp3BlFZWJNA

>>388454073
>jap composers
>many tracks are memorable due to catchy melodies using a variety of different genres
>western """composers"""
>poopoo generic orchestra, can't tell one from other, dubshit, metalhead diarrhea, ooga booga rap music, atmospheric hipster bullshit

There are few exceptions, but wow.
Never really thought about it until now.

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>>388465160

Ayumi's route was pretty good mostly because I was pretty much related to the main character a lot, so whatever he reacted to I reacted to. Plus it was the first route I took so the ending stuck with me more.

Like seriously, hearing those dripping sounds and the no response made my heart skip a beat, and then seeing the actual scene just made me shocked. Plus it truly wasn't fair for Takuya, he was doing everything right and just didn't have the evidence to prove it, and once Ayumi slapped him I felt bad for him.

Also ">*blocks your path*"

>>388454073
>Yoko Shinomura
>Best song: Xenoblade Theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LXTui5vl6Y&t=170s

>>388465417
I wasn't going to, but seeing how you were going to tell me but didn't, let me analyze this song and tell you why you think it's good, and why it's not.

You probably think the somber melody, the 'excellent' soundfont choices and instrumentation, and the ability to elicit a feeling of grand adventure and hope while still maintaining the air of melancholy it begins with made it so damn great

However that doesn't make it good.

Maybe if you had just told me straight from your mouth instead of saying you were going to tell me, you might have convinced me of something.

>>388460731
Is this the guy who did the pictionary track? The guy who writes his own software to exceed the potential of sound chips?

I know Jesper Kyd did something similar for the Genesis.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxrMCzI7WyU

>>388454073
Mmmh...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmoYLtObCtY

>>388465382
Did you read the first part of my post? My twelve year old nephew knows who Jesper Kyd is - Hitman, Assassin's Creed, Borderlands, MDK. Wise and Romero worked mostly on pre-2000 games. And I had to look up who Kaufman is, because even though I played the games he scored, I never once wanted to look up the composer.

>>388465789
See? As I said, you will simply deny anything said about it. Glad I didn't waste more time than I already have.

>>388465685
>lol i can whistle the tune that must mean it's good 8)

t. weeb brainlet

western compositions operate on levels your tiny brain cannot even possibly comprehend.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ykQFrL0X74

>>388465923
You wasted more time because you replied to him. How about next time you don't try to be cocky in your answer if you don't want people to manipulate you, dude?

>>388465382
>Calling Jesper Kyd literally who.
That's a big hook with shit bait.

>>388465243
Hes just a pleb who cant understand tone, I bet he wouldn't even be able to appreciate the Industrial soundtracks of the first Silent Hill and Postal because its not "pretty" and he cant whistle it.

>>388466021
The only way to be more pretentious is to post Xennakis, so please make my day.

>>388466038
I wasn't. I called him out, and he took the bait. Not really being cocky if it is true.

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>japanese composers in 1989
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pp4NNv8LTmU

>western composers in 1990
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjfuFXKeEJI

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>>388465706
>Ayumi's route was pretty good mostly because I was pretty much related to the main character a lot, so whatever he reacted to I reacted to.
Wow, that's exactly what happened to me too. It was like I synced up with Takuya and wanted to kick Toyotomi's ass as much as he did.

Also, I see your Toyotomi and raise you a proto-Toyomi

>>388454073
>Jap composers
>try to make memorable and unique music

>western composers
>dude orchestra

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>>388466223

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>>388454073

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZaSgnYLceQ

>>>>>>>>>THE ABSOLUTE STATE OF JAPANESE """"""MUSICIANS""""""

>>388466294
Dude, it's the other way around. You're still being cocky. He baited YOU if he posted something you deemed to be so obviously a shitpost that you "well you could reply and tell him that x but you won't" and you replied to it several times. You're pretty fucking pretentious. Get over yourself.

>>388466021
What the fuck is this? More importantly, WHY?

>>388465685
Same thing with art. Western artists have three styles: anime knock-off, tumblr, and Titian.

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>>388464359
hi res version if you want it.

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>>388466294
>Anyone who disagrees with me is shitposting and anyone who replies to me GOT BAITED

>>388466634
Dude "he" didn't do shit outside of shitpost. I called him out, laughed a bit, and now "you" (not "him") are getting mad about it. Stay mad "not him". ;)

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>>388466410
Nice bait

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZiRhdxiWEs
>released in 1989

>>388466410
Was this the pinnacle of 80s vidya music?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38dR1YYulio

This entire thread is full of shit fucking taste, so much of it, it's about to collapse into a singularity sucking up everything good on the planet.

Time to inject the sweet groove that just make the bitches melt.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwZISypgA9M

>>388462153
man i thought i was the only one this game is my goat

>>388466771
He hit the nail on the head if you're so mad that you're still replying trying to save face

>>388466528
DUDE WAGNER LMAO

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>>388466771
You still haven't explained why ur shitty song is good in any factual way. That's not me. This is me
>>388466686

>cherrypicking the thread

>>388466410
>Not liking Beverly Hills Cop.
Were you born without ears and just pretend to like things?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhZBDNQ3gas

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>>388466417

I honestly related to Takyua so much. It's a shame I didn't play this game back in 2014 when I discovered it, because if I did I would've been his age just to add onto it. I had an interest in History just like him, I had a dumb sense of humour just like him (the translation was fucking perfect, the humour in that game caught me off guard all the time). Hell, he even commented on a TV being 16;9 in a 4;3 world, and I honestly thought the same damn thing.

In an interesting way, I liked and hated the fact things never went my way. I wanted to go the Mio route first but fell into Ayumi's, then I wanted to do Ayumi again but fell into Kanna's. By my fourth playthrough I wanted to just finish the game at 100%, and I'm at 95% now.

Incidentally, you should give the Saturn OST a listen if you can, it's nicely composed. Wish I could find the Vita/PS4 OST just to compare. Also keep an eye out for that anime in 2018.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kVPfqfK_6c

>>388454073
>no RO composers
your list is bad and you should feel bad.

>>388466771
Anyone with basic common sense on the internet knows anytime anyone says "im laughing" or any variant of that they're actually seething with rage

>>388466987
I did. And you didn't make any effort to debate me on it. You DID make pretend that you were two different people to save face, though.

>>388467001
>Shitpost: The post.

>>388467082
I'm getting some Twin Peaks vibes over here.

>>388467135
Why do I need to save face when u got no arguments? lol I refuted you and you're unwilling to argue back other than "see i told u you wouldn't agree with me!" Also what happened about not replying to me anymore and wasting time? Yeah looks like I win, kid. Let me do my victory dance now.

>>388454073
>Ctrl+F Ronald Jenkees
>0 Results

So I'm guessing he's in "You Groove You Lose Tier" then?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzFYbRgrmX0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7YHTRHMnkc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bn2WYrfSvtI

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>>388454073
>Yoko Shimomura's Best Song
>Not https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwtASYeer8Y

Anybody play these games besides me?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYLk0yl-AmE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCqweGMoM_c

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>>388467098
I forgot about RO. I like to go back and listen to some songs from it even though I barely played

>>388467135
Believe what you want my man. If it makes you feel better to label anyone replying to you as a samefag be my guest.

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>>388467341
>Let me do my victory dance now

What the fuck is this shit

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>>388454073

>no Hideki Naganuma
>Nobuo Uematsu over Shoji Meguro and Michiru Yamane; both composers having a more dynamic body of work than Uematsu's

Kys man.

>>388467598
Literally who?

>>388467429
>>388467598

??? ?? ????

>>388457826
No you fucking dweeb. They are musical pieces, not fucking songs.

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>>388467839
???

>>388467839
...?!

>>388467976
The image server fucked up. Either those two are the exact same image or it's just on my end.

>>388467598
>>388467429

Angeryposting

>>388467826

>Ignoring JSR

Note: Sampling =/= plagiarism

>>388454073
>Hamauzu
>best song: Besaid
Well, there goes any credibility this image may have had. Besaid Island is good but Hamauzu has so much better shit and it's clear whoever threw this together has never bothered to listen to any of it. Hamauzu should be in god tier honestly, or in a higher tier of his own, he's on a level far above Uematsu or anyone composing for games really.

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How can Western soundtracks compete?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDNUYnqNygw

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>>388454073
>Yasunori Mitsuda
>not in Elder Gods
>best song not Time's Scar

WHAT THE JESUS FUCK ARE YOU DOING, OP?

>>388458358
Explain how something without singing can be a song, if you are so neurotypical. It's like saying something without gameplay can be a video game.

Mick Gordon did a GDC talk on the doom soundtrack recently that might be interesting for some people.
https://youtu.be/U4FNBMZsqrY

I thought the fella that did the Aliens Colonial Marines music was depressingly underrated. Say what you will about the game the music was the tits.

>>388468343
>Mitsuda
>Elder god tier
Maybe if his battle themes were on the level of Hamauzu, Uematsu, Shimomura or Meguro but he has never done a good battle theme and Gale is aggressively bad.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7V_1nnowEk

>>388468132
Sampling = lazy, talentless, trash

>>388454073
>Road most traveled
>Not the superior version Reign of the Septims

All in all Soule is better than most of those litterally who slat eyes.

>>388468347

So according to you Miles Davis, Erik Satie, John Coltrane, Debussy and the like aren't musicians?

>>388468445
>never did a good battle theme

Wrong.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ponx7VYSrh4

>>388459393
>paul romero
ahh the monumental composer for heroes of might n magic series
>alexander brandon
I think this guy is truly underrated. His scores are very sci-ficy from jazzy ambient to symphonic techno. His works are just amazing. Jazz Jackrabbit 2 and UT are his best works imo
>michael mcCann
Idk about you but this guy is pretty much a one hit wonder with Icarus which imo till this day is still one of my top 5 vgm ever created

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music is all just interpretation dog

>>388468462

Go fuck yourself.

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Jap composers treat making music for videogames like it is it's own thing, it always has a 'videogamey' feeling to it. Western composers treat it like they're making a score for a Hollywood movie, that's why it sounds generic and uninspired most of the time.

>>388467085
The Saturn OST is kind of a mixed bag for me, honestly, I like some tracks but they're more guilty pleasures for me. The remake OST didn't satisfy me completely either, though there are some remixes I like. By the way, I happen to have an mp3 rip of the remake's official OST. It'll take a while to upload, though.

>>388454073
>>388454073
>>388454073

>Michiru Yamane's best song is "Wandering Ghosts"

Nigga it's like you never even heard "Dance of the Pales" or "Amber Scenery"

>>388454073
western music builds itself around build up and release too much

>>388468884

2nd for Dance of Pales. Jesus.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AsysZQYBQU8

How can Western composers even compete?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pf7DQcJRDtw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flfyG6AJXe8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=am9hCZtbH8A

>>388468796

Ah damn, where'd you get them from?

I was lucky enough to find the Yu-No ost online, along with the SUPER SOUNDTRACK which came with it. Super Soundtrack is good, but the original is really great.

Also after looking at some PS4 gameplay, they really ruined the artstyle in a lot of ways. I did like the look of the school hall and the interior of the MC's house, but the coast looked really bad, and the exterior of the house was just awful, and oh man Yukki just looked bad, but Koari looked better. Ayumi looked a bit too young for my liking and the fact she wanted to look "motherly" for Takuya

Soundtrack was nice though, nothing like the original though.

Plus, giving the player a refractor was 4 jewels is ez mode.

>>388468530
They are not singers. Why is this difficult? All songs are music, not all musical pieces are songs.

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>>388462684
>>388464664
>all these non-arguments

>>388457748
Notice how the quality of western film and vidya scores took a nosedive around the same time popular music did. These days they're quite literally the symphonic equivalent of Nirvana: basic chords slammed together with zero effort toward building memorable and emotionally engaging melodies or song progressions. Compare the old, timelessly melodic musical compositions of the '30s through the '80s to the unmemorable literally who dreck that came in their wake.

>>388454073
>no Yuzo Koshiro
>no Matt Furniss
>Hitoshi only in high tier

okay nerd

>>388469265
Got them from an anon from /vr/. Don't have the link anymore, sadly. Also, Ayumi was actually supposed to act cutetsy in front of Takuya so he wouldn't look at her as a woman. I'd honestly say the remake got this slightly better than the SEGA Saturn version (the one with voices), since her voice is higher pitched (when in front of Takuya, anyway) and not as motherly-sounding as the SS one. By the way, the "ez mode" you mentioned is in the Saturn version too.

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Junya Nakano needs to be in High Tier if only for the fantastic Threads of Fate/Dewprism OST, which is probably the best overall OST in an rpg in the PS era after Chrono Cross.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ki0mozVuM_k

>>388469691

Oh look, we have a second-year English major. In a cultural context, a full composition is considered a song; whether there's singing or not, silly. Word forms aren't always literal.

>>388464887
Does a better soundtrack than Final Fantasy Tactics exist?

>>388470428
Dozens.

>>388470012
this song reminds me of this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1c34UPhkYM
@ 1:10

>>388469892

Ah shit, I thought it was motherly, guess I read it wrong. She looked much older in the original which I preferred since she looked like a mother, and Takuya had all those weird feelings for her which were understandable when she looked like that. The remake made her look a lot different, almost like a teenager.

I wish I had that ez mode though, I've got all my jewel saves at crucial points, so I only ever have two for each route and one usually gets stuck at a intersection leaving me with none until I get back there, or just go through that intersection until it's all done, meaning I'm actually hurting myself by not having more.

Also, that's fine about the link. I could probably check the archives. I did see a Yu-no thread on there 2 months ago.

>>388470613
name 24^48 games that do this

>>388468762
>>388463259
Hollywood film scores can be just as melodic and memorable as video game ones, or at least they used to (see: Star Wars, Back to the Future, Conan the Barbarian, Robocop etc.) That it hasn't been like this for a while is leaving vidya soundtracks to follow suit, see >>388469727

>>388470863
Off the top of my head, Chrono Cross, Dewprism, Suikoden 3, any of the Persona games, Front Mission 3...

>>388454073
You forgot Christopher Tin with Baba Yetu you dumb shitposter.

>>388462939
hip hop used to be good

>Ctrl+F Toshiaki Sakoda
>phrase not found

>>388469727
I agree with you but of you bring this point the first response will be nostalgia, how is this objective?

>>388471076
those are games with good soundtracks

>>388471198
Hip-hop "music" did even more damage to the music industry than Nirvana did.

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>all these musicians and nobody even mentions this guy

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>>388471076
>Suikoden 3

>>388471076
>any of the Persona games
Mmm nah. That engrish kills it

>>388471519
Who?

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>>388471546
>implying Suikoden 3 didn't have a great soundtrack

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUBZgLbRdL8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3jnwxFPVtg&index=15&list=PLZphL4gPXFCD620LgxabQLxQauvtxA0a9

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ei2sgRrzT2U&list=PLZphL4gPXFCD620LgxabQLxQauvtxA0a9&index=32

Nigga what are you smoking?

>>388454073
Where does Kojima fit in?

How can the US soundtrack even compete?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WoabzpNcgA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIDP1dzXvNk

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>implying you won't have to add a new tier for based Faulconer when the english DBZ soundtrack is added to Dragon Ball FighterZ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpkeAQG6kQw&list=PLSS4tbOVsKLWJ20_lg58s8_wCTqj-70hx

>>388471760
ew

Only the opening song was good. The other two are just generic trash. You only like them because you have associated them with a game you love. The songs don't hold up by themselves; they suck.

>>388472272
This.

>>388469727
/v/ should be fucking prohibited from talking about music. You're a colossal idiot if you think complexity or effort or originality are necessarily correlated to "quality", whatever your definition of it is, or if you evaluate the state of pop music and speak as if you're talking about all music, or if you don't understand that different pieces of music have different purposes. I bet you walk into a club and complain about how the structure is predictable and simple in the music, or you walk into a performance of an experimental extended technique Ligeti piece and complain that it's not captivating enough.
By the way, mr. back in my day, pop music has evolved very little. Fleetwood Mac had the same principles as any pop artist from today. All pop music is and has always been based on defined structure, little ambiguity and tension->resolution. I still hear pop music have verse chorus verse chorus bridge chorus structure as it always had, I still hear it resolve to tonal, I still hear it focus on vocals in detriment of instrumentation, as it always has. The problem is on you, not the music (and the fact that you think you're educated on it when you're the average "music today is stinky :(" moron).

>>388472228
nigga it's already arcsys

why the fuck would you even bother with Faulconer when it's the fucking Guilty Gear composer doing DBFZ?

they already did a performance of a GG style Head Cha La version for the game

>>388472272
>implying Stupid Ducks isn't a great song

Just because it's not "dramatic" doesn't mean the composition isn't good. It's an excellent song.

>>388472745
It's a cheesy melody, IMO. The bar was to beat beat FF:T soundtrack, and I don't think Suikoden 3 does.
FF:T is more well-rounded and generally beautiful

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bs7jIyQR-Gk

There's the 2-disc soundtrack right there. That's over 2 hours of music. Just click around. You'd have to really look to find a single stinker in the whole lot. That's how confident I am about the soundtrack.
Just compare any of these to your Suikoden examples. You should be able to tell how much more complex these tracks are.

If you haven't played FFT, that's even better because you should have a more objective opinion. You should be able to see why someone would appreciate this stuff over the Suikoden tracks. I really like the Suikoden 3 opening track, but the other two fall flat.

>>388473423
>how much more complex these tracks are.
What does a track's complexity have to do with anything?

>>388473423
FFT is one of my favorite PS games, but I just don't think the soundtrack is that memorable.

>>388472438
Pretty much this. All he was saying was waa waa waa. Why is all pop music I IV V I. Pop music has always been simple. If you want something complex listen to some fucking Debussy's or your local pseudo intellect post tonal music faculty composer.

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>>388473480
the variety of instruments and talent involved. you don't appreciate things that are beautifully crafted?

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Post /mu/ tier masterpieces in vidya.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hxmsjfk5Kk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QuX4y4Mlik
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kcF7E69C6Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6o47N-aYd08
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2S2_kLodIc

>>388473949
kek

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>>388472438
>I still hear pop music have verse chorus verse chorus bridge chorus structure as it always had, I still hear it resolve to tonal, I still hear it focus on vocals in detriment of instrumentation, as it always has.
This is why metal is the superior form of music and, subsequently, why Japanese video game music is superior. Because they use metal (read: real metal, not the nu-metal garbage 'Murrica likes) as an inspiration for their compositions as opposed to pop or modern Nickelback rock. Just listen to the interplay in those classic NES chiptunes. Or how strongly the works of someone like Mitsuda resembles baroque music (aka metal riffs in string orchestra form) instead of the swill that westerners use for inspiration.

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>>388454073
>mfw I have a friend who loves soundtrack music but only listens to the most generic orchestral crap
>literally any game or movie with a live orchestra is deemed as having a great soundtrack to him
My musical knowledge isn't deep enough for me to articulate why that irks me.

>>388473949

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=li5mXnHyg9w

>>388474246
Ride the Lightning and Rust in Peace are both better than Master of Puppets.

>>388473949
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQKIyxL_Rqw

>>388473949
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjOPvW7GnrE

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>>388454198
Did someone say copy music? I love to copy music! I mean make totally original compositions!

>>388454073
because you're an autistic weeb

>>388468445
Dragon God mother fucker.

>>388477370
Not an argument.

Halo soundtrack shits all over your favorite weeb game, Anonymous.