Are casuals ruining this industry?

>>388429937
>Listing games at this stage would be too subjective. It's more about a person's experience and breadth of knowledge
Translation: I BS'd so hard I no longer have any idea what I'm talking about

>>388429937
>/v/ presents
>i am /v/

>>388430139
>t. Low IQ casual who is assblasted about getting exposed as one.

>>388429937
>Persona
>Hardcore
this must be b8

>>388431172
>Note: None of these groups or games are mutually exclusive.

>>388430269
Kek

>>388429937
>if you're not a weeb than you are a casual

>>388429937
This whole list is shit but fighting games not being in the the group that's knowledgeable about one genre and not much else is the biggest crime.

>>388431676
>Fallout, Morrowind, STALKER, Dwarf Fortress, and DOOM are weeb games

>>388429937
>muh weebshit

>>388431782
>>Fallout,
ameriboo
>STALKER
Slavaboo

>>388431730
They should probably be in a separate graph all together. Being super knowledgeable about one genre/game while knowing jackshit about literally everything else is super common. Keep seeing more and more kiddies get super into shitty service games like Destiny and PUBG but know fuckall else about the rest of the industry.

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>>388429937
>anyone on this site having good taste

>>388431965
at least we don't play trash like PUBG or League around here

>>388429937
>caring about "taste"
>in fucking video games
holy shit

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>>388429937
They are, but your understanding of who the casuals are is all wrong. Also, the industry is still in very good shape.

>>388432195
Define a casual then.

>>388429937
>Dark Souls
>Gamer crowd
Maybe DS3, but not 1 or 2

>>388431676
Japan constantly have a better output than the AAA Western industry. Just compare this year alone

Japan:
>Gravity Rush 2
>Resident Evil 7
>Yakuza 0
>Breath of the Wild
>Nier Automata
>Persona 5
>Tekken 7
>Splatoon 2
Upcoming:
>Samus Returns
>Mario Odyssey

The West
>For Honor (Jewish service game)
>Horizon Zero Dawn
>Mass Effect Andromeda (lol)
>Ghost Recon Wildlands (Jewish service game)
>Prey (decent)
>...

>>388432679
Both lists suck. Go back to 1998 and look at the fantastic games released from both Japanese and Western devs.

>>388432242
Well here's some things to start with:
>you primarily play singleplayer games because you're too incompetent or cowardly to make friends
>you primarily play games that require lower end hardware because you're too incompetent or stupid to obtain better
>you erroneously conflate indie with independent choice
>you care more about games than their gradual evolution towards simulations
>you listen to /v/
>you have an anime girl avatar

>>388432679
>Sploon 2
>literally a copy+pasted game
>Tekken 7
>the same game for over 23 fucking years
>BOTW
>good
>RE7
>good

>>388429937
No, devs pandering to casuals are.

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>>388429937
>Zelda
>Not in the casual bracket with Mario

>>388432810
>you primarily play singleplayer games because you're too incompetent or cowardly to make friends
This is fucking retarded and show you have no clue what you're talking about. Casuals and normies are predominately playing multiplayer service games this generation because they want to hang out with their friends and don't want to commit to a singleplayer game.
>Destiny
>LoL
>Dota 2
>Battlefield
>Wildlands
>GTA Online
>R6
>PUBG
>The Division
>Overwatch
are the fucking moneymakers this generation. Literally every Western developer is chasing this multiplayer service game fad because that's what all the casuals are playing.

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>>388429937
Dota 2 may be played by many but if you are 4K, where the games represent something more than a random number generator, you are better than a large majority of all players and it takes quite some time and dedication to get there.

>>388433318
>fucking
>fucking
>lists a mixed bag of good and bad games i.e. can't tell the difference
Guess I struck a nerve.

>>388432679
>>Gravity Rush 2
mediocre
>>Resident Evil 7
walking sim inspired by western indie games
>>Yakuza 0
movie
>>Breath of the Wild
good game but it has problems like shrines, divine beasts being exactly the fucking same
>>Nier Automata
good overall experience but the game part was mediocre
>>Persona 5
awful gameplay with decent story
>>Tekken 7
the same game as every other tekken/fighting game
>>Splatoon 2
the same shit as splatoon 1 but worse
>Samus Returns
developed by a spanish studio and looks like dogshit
>Mario Odyssey
not out yet but doesn't look like the kind of mario I want (similar to 64)
onto western games
>For Honor (Jewish service game)
a unique multiplayer game with several problems but still enjoyable
>Horizon Zero Dawn
cool concept for an open world game with lacking but still decent execution
>Mass Effect Andromeda (lol)
great open world and combat, story is mediocre
>Ghost Recon Wildlands (Jewish service game)
fun coop game
>Prey (decent)
one of the best singleplayer games to come out in years
and as for upcoming western games, CoD WWII looks like it's going to continue to be the same enjoyable, casual FPS it always has been, destiny 2 looks like its going to actually deliver on the promise of the first game, battlefront 2 looks decent with free dlc, i could go on. the western industry obviously isn't perfect but its in a far better shape than the japanese industry that puts out 1-2 gems a year while having nothing else

>>388433519
Doesn't matter if they're bad or good, they're what's popular and what every single normalfag and casual is playing.

Saying casuals/normalfags stick to singleplayer games is retarded.

>>388433661
>get told your idea of casuals is wrong
>continue bleating that it's right with no new arguments
Yeah, this discussion will go places.

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>>388433571
Good luck playing most of those Western service games in 5-10 years when the servers get shut down.

>>388433793
Prove my point wrong then faggot. The post I replied to certainly didn't.

>>388432810
>you primarily play games that require lower end hardware because you're too incompetent or stupid to obtain better
People who play games exclusively on PC (or any one platform) are casuals. Limiting yourself to one platform is inherently casual.
>you erroneously conflate indie with independent choice
>you care more about games than their gradual evolution towards simulations
The fuck are you even talking about

>>388433936
"Normies" are everyone who follow a pack. That covers guys who only play Call of Duty and Ubisoft games every now and then, as well as weebs who follow internet forum and metacritic trends, morons that participate in platform wars religiously and ERP nerds on Bethesda and Bioware sites.

>>388432195
>i suck moderator cock xD.jpg

>>388434305
>"Normies" are everyone who follow a pack.
Disagreed. I would define normies/casuals as anyone who only displays a passing interest in a topic. At least weebs who follow forums/metacritic trends know more about the industry than your normalfag who only plays Ubisoft service games.

I would also say people who exclusively only play one or two games but get super into them (i.e. your kiddies who play Destiny, PUBG, Overwatch, and GTA Online for 2000+ hours) are still casuals solely because they don't know anything outside their limited scope.

>>388429937
Where do I lie in the spectrum if I play (what the spectrum) says is niche games but I don't give a fuck about the industry and I don't really get extremely knowledgeable about certain games but I just play them cause they're fun.

I'm like pseudo-hardcore based on this diagram in that the majority of games I play are "niche" but I don't get super into it

>>388433571
>the same shit as splatoon 1 but worse
not an explanation, doesn't reinforce any point
>developed by a spanish studio and looks like dogshit
pointing out the nationality of the developers shows immediate bias unrelated to the actual game quality, secondary point is subjective
>not out yet but doesn't look like the kind of mario I want (similar to 64)
literally an opinion
>great open world and combat, story is mediocre
>great
>mediocre
even by a long shot, no
you ragged on other games openly but quietly seem to accept Andromeda, pretty much making you a stupid faggot
what a shame, you could've actually had a thought out post

>>388434776
Hardcorefag who doesn't give a shit about the industry at large is applicable.

>>388434757
>I would define normies/casuals as anyone who only displays a passing interest in a topic
Same thing. If you're just following trends then you aren't thinking for yourself and your interest is passive. A normie is someone with an active interest only in normalizing themselves with society, you can come from a variety of backgrounds and still be one. You can be a chad banging a new chick every night or a greasy wizard and be a normie either way.

>>388435021
You're not wrong but you're forgetting the latter half of casuals, those who put 2000+ into a service game and know jackshit about other vidya. Those fags are still casuals.

>>388435221
A highly specialized casual?

>>388435021
>greasy wizard and be a normie either way.

I wish I was "normal".

>>388429937
>Hardcore
>No mention of people playing fighting and strategy games on tournament/meta level
Okay then. Anyway, I'm literally the arrow that's pointing at the 4chan logo. Makes sense I guess since I'm here.

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place me on the spectrum bois

i love my vita

>>388436020
i hate my vita

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>>388436135
How can you hate such a precious handheld?

>>388436525
OK, I don't hate her. I'm just disappointed with her. She's very nice for playing PSP and PS1 games, especially with her clicky dpad. But I feel like she doesn't have enough to offer of her own.

tl;dr

>>388429937
people who play all genres are the biggest fucking casuals on the planet. This is litterally games journalist tier, wide taste but shitty depth of understanding of game's underlying mechanics.

>>388436020
7/10

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>>388429937
Play non casual games. I suggest niche weebshit, you'll be safe.

>>388430139
>BS
Go back to plebbit

>>388429937
>weeb games
>shmups
>bemani
Well I'm well into hardcore by this map

>>388429937
They already ruined it

>>388438825
Cyber Sluts ain't great

>>388439354
It's repetitive but I enjoyed it more than Next Order

>>388433571
>Mass Effect Andromeda (lol)
>great open world and combat, story is mediocre
Kill yourself, everything about this game is either mediocre or fucking horrid.

>>388429937
this images is bullshit, /v/ hates dwarf fortress

>tfw Bemanifaggot

Feels good playing IIDX and looking like a god (read: autist) when they see me playing 11s.

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>>388429937
>/v/ thinks they are hardcore
>when there was nothing but crying about hard DaS was when it got ported to PC

>>388439457
/v/ is not one person

>>388439463
>tfw enjoy sdvx and jubeat way more than two dicks

>>388439603
i was reddit, not /v/

>>388432083
>MFW I play PUBG
It's literally a part of what the market has been missing since phone games started existing: Low budget janky games with a fun concept. Not great in solo, but fun as shit if you have friends. You do have friends, don't you /v/?

>>388439751
oh yes the classic reddit scapegoat, also /v/ was the place where the term "artificial difficutly" was born

The only spectrum I see here is autism.

>>388432195
Literally who?

I'm all the way on the left according to the description but I don't really feel like it. I just play fun and interesting games. Maybe that's what being "hardcore" actually means.

>>388429937
>if you're not a literal autist you're a casual
ok buddy

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>>388429937
They're absolutely a factor, but the only reason they have any influence is because suits/executives and other decision-makers choose to exert effort into catering to them.
THOUGH, I don't have to worry about them ruining my section of the industry, because profit at the cost of everything is not one of the objectives of these companies.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>388429937
Swap Mario and Zelda and you're gtg senpai. Casuls don't play platformers.
You can start a conversation at a party about Skyrim or Zelda amongst even non-gamers who simply seem to know an awful lot about the it.

But Mario? Everyone knows who he is. I haven't met a single damn person who's played a mario game outside of pretending to "recount the NES classic nostalgia". Whether it's easy or well known, it sure as hell isn't casual.

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>>388440504

>>388429937
Wtf I love casuals now

Your is garbage but someone must be buying those shitty AAA and dlcs/microtransction

>>388440504
>>388440974
What geimu anon

>>388431676
Yeah pretty much, though the fact that you think you have to be a weeb to play japanese games just proves that you are a fucking normie.

>>388432083
>we

>>388439787
Everything is fun with friends, even shitty games like pictionary or monopoly.

>>388434195
>PC,ps4 and xbone can theoretically run every game on the market can do it do
>have to buy three system that pretty entirely control what you can do plus paid online not to be a casual

You can be the complete opposite of casual and play nothing but ps2 games

>>388433849
good luck playing any ps4 game in 5-10 years when systems start to fail
good luck playing any game in 70 years when your heart fails
everything is temporary, and either way in 5-10 years we still have emulators, torrents, and private servers

>>388432195
Edgy as fuck. Needs a trenchcoat and fedora

>>388443571
>good luck playing any ps4 game in 5-10 years when systems start to fail
My NES is working fine 30 years later. If it starts to fail I can get repair it or get it replaced

>good luck playing any game in 70 years when your heart fails
>implying I have heart issues

>everything is temporary, and either way in 5-10 years we still have emulators, torrents, and private servers
Oh man I can't wait to hop on those private MAG servers.

>>388429937
Casuals are saving the industry and pumping it full of money instead of pandering to "hardcore" NEET neckbeard virgins.

>>388443017
Never said you have to own every current gen system. I said limiting yourself to one platform is casual as fuck.

>>388443950
>My NES is working fine 30 years later
it's almost as if... different hardware... has different lifespans...
>implying I have heart issues
good job? if your old enough to post on this board you'll have at the very most, and if you keep in perfect health, 100 years unless new medicine extends your life. either way, the point was that you'll die eventually, so everything is temporary
>Oh man I can't wait to hop on those private MAG servers.
MAG is a piece of shit game so there are no private servers, but you could make one if you wanted.

>>388432195
>Also, the industry is still in very good shape.
>arbitrarily restricts your purchased hardware for the sole purpose of charging a fee at least once a year in order to unrestrict it
>the industry is in very good shape.
Good shape my ass. The industry will never improve beyond this point.

>>388429937
Why isn't Facebook on the spectrum?. How did whoever made this miss the biggest network of all?

>>388444196
>it's almost as if... different hardware... has different lifespans...
So? If my PS4 dies I can get it repaired or buy a functional one. This isn't an argument.

>good job? if your old enough to post on this board you'll have at the very most, and if you keep in perfect health, 100 years unless new medicine extends your life. either way, the point was that you'll die eventually, so everything is temporary
>implying I'm not going to live forever
lol?

>MAG is a piece of shit game so there are no private servers, but you could make one if you wanted.
Not realistically. It took fucking years for the MGO2 revival team to get online working on that game again, years spent reverse-engineering the game. I don't have the time nor technical know how to do that. Nor can I bring about literally every other example of online-only that's been shut down.

>>388444498
Do people still play facebook games? It would be on the far right obviously, not everything can be listed.