Why are the megaman starforce games so hated compared to the

The context of the story is too dull and every single MMBN game starts the exact same way, so I haven't had the desire to start any new ones.

I tried one of the Starforce games and couldn't get through the exposition, explanations and tutorials that shouldn't have to exist this many games in a row.

Nostalgia's a bitch and no one wanted to try anything new. The series was still better than any battle network after 3.

I'm still mad about 4.

>>388422873
I like 5 and 6. It's understandable if you don't like them since 3 has some incredible difficulty spikes in comparison, but they're not bad.

>>388422327
you can only really move left or right in combat

>>388423004
sf 3 is really good in a lot of ways by fixing and giving you actual powerups. If they made a mobile BN game it would make them millions in the first month, monthly chip cycle is the way to go

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>>388422327
The stratagems and gameplay is simplified and seems to focus on showing off prettier graphics. These diminish the unique combination of gameplay elements for one. For another these seem also designed to make the player be more powerful; which is the same reasons I feel that the X games went awry; I'm not engaged by a games that doesn't challenge me.

Though if I had to answer why I think the series died; it would be because yearly Battle Network games with NO cross-entry comparability really discouraged sequel adopters. And in both the US and Japan they never really got the anime airing on TV to advertise it. So less new adopters came in.

>>388423340
Black Ace is the one I got to try and it didn't hold my attention by the time they were talking about bonds, for I assume the 3rd time in the series.

I'd give it more time or see exactly where I am, but it's not picking up my save file.

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>>388422327
From my recollection Battle Network was pretty divisive all by itself.

>>388423384
Yeah, we never got all the BN anime in America plus the Starforce dub was cut short, and over Japan we never got an anime for the third game.

>>388424926
Whoa, what's going on here.

>>388425665
2012

>>388422327
Mainly because your movement grid is much smaller and defending and hittiing enemies with short range attacks like the sword is much easier due to lock-on
Also you can only pick cards in the same row or column in a 2x3 matrix of cards, so setting up a carefully crafted chip folder is impossible here, the best you get here is stuffing your deck with white cards.
With that said, the plot manages to be much better and SF3 gives some additions to gameplay that make it much more engaging, like the Noise System.

>>388422327
What brings down Star Force for me is that the combat is much more limited in every way compared to Battle Network. Everything else is pretty solid, though.

>>388426476
and later SF games make the more powerful chips larger than usual

The combat isn't as creative and the gameplay isn't as crisp as Battle Network

The story also hits many of the same notes of BN and, if you played BN, you'll be bored of doing the same tutorials again all the time

The story isn't as good, either. The first game is ok but the second one have a nosedive in quality. The third one is pretty good, though

>>388427254
fun fact, SF2 lets you skip the tutorial

Removing advances were a mistake.

>>388427938
Advances are back in SF3. Pick the right chipsand they fuse to a bigger chip

>>388422327
They are much better than BN though. SF 3 specially is miles above the best of bn

great games:
BN2
BN3
BN6
SF3

Okay games:
BN5

flawed to being the first in the series:
BN1
SF1

bad games:
SF2
BN4

>>388428901
>BN4 that high
Shit list.

>>388428901
Where does Operate Shooting Star fit in this?

>>388429334
In the trash. It fits in the trash.

>>388429334
Probably a little lower than BN1 since it's that game with an added scenario and playable character that could've modernized the dated gameplay but didn't.

>>388429334
Japan Only tier

>>388429260
It has to go somewhere.

That being said I liked the SF's transformations a bit more then the ones from BN outside of 6's. I also liked the plots a bit more as well.

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Just beat Megaman 7. Fuck the Wiley Capsule. Fuck Slashman's undodgeable bullshit. Every other boss was the best in the series.
5 and 7 are the best

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Just dropping by to remind you that Sonia > Luna
This will be all, have a nice day

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>>388430746

>>388429654
Still I really have a hard time of articulating how BN4 is poorly made on every conceptual level. The game progresses through islands where you're not even able to access shops and forced repeated playthroughs to access chips.

It boggles my mind BN4 was somehow the best selling Mega Man game and one of the only 3 I feel this way about.

>>388430746
>>388430851
Nobody cares about your idolwaifu.

we're discussing how shitty BN4 was.
>>388431116
Also I hated the final boss. It was such bullshit.

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>>388431459
I care. Because it's why I even went in this thread. Do what you want

1 is mediocre, 2 is plain bad but 3 is really damn good.

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>>388430746
Reminding me Lyra and Sonia make Harp Note; who uses neither a lyre nor a harp; I am so upset Star Force couldn't manage to stick a theme.

Constellations; Cryptids; Playing Cards? How do you run out of imagination in the infinite vastness of space?

>>388422327
gimped down combat system

>>388422327
If there's one thing I liked about the SF games is Geo goes from being a little bitch to competent throughout the series.

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>>388430746
Tia's better

>>388433292
made for mating press

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>>388428254
Oh yeah that's great it's too bat that was only good for the one Capcom gave up on promoting before killing the series and Megaman all together. Hell they even make Advance Cards themselves involved in advances. Fucking wonderful really.

Still 1 and 2 killed the series viability. They should have had some kind of contextual or situational chip use to replace it to reward skillful playing.

>>388434629
This is such a fucking good design.

>>388422327
BN gameplay was good but have a decent story and character, SF have a really shit gameplay (except 3)
but you known what? i actually did enjoy SF story more than any megaman game i play so far.

The combat system was the only reason I liked BN and they completely butchered it in SF.