Which is more interesting?

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Both look like boy band shit.

>>388358740
Versus at least had a not shit Luna.

>>388358740
Versus.

There is no way Versus could be worse than XV. Even if Versus was bad, XV's set the bar so fucking low that Versus would look like a masterpiece. Any game looks like masterpiece next to XV.

Interesting that the replies say Versus, but XV is winning in the poll.

Why not rename the poll honestly?

>are you asspained that versus turned into 15?

>>388360459
Because honestly, that's a different question.

>>388360170

>there's no way FFXIII could be worse than FFXII
>it was

>there's no way FFXV could be worse than FFXII
>it was

When will FF fans stop with this logic?

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>>388360652
When VII Remake comes out in 2030 and it's better than any of them.

The one that disassociated itself with the Fabula Nova Crystallis project is the clear winner.

>>388358740
>XV Universe
What Universe, it's basically three cities connected by some roads and gas stations

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>>388360652
There's no way FF16 can be worse than 15

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It's pretty clear why the Versus reboot isn't happening lol

>>388358740
>trailers used to hype vaporware
>or shitty outcome and a waste of time
Pass

>>388360791

Nah. Even if the game is an improvement in every way, the fanbase will be throwing a shitstorm at every single thing they changed from the PS1. And it will become the next big hated game. And you'll have apologists saying FFXV wasn't as bad as people said.

Where were you when pc got mod and level editor support from the devs engadget.***/2017/08/26/final-fantasy-xv-director-interview-gamescom-2017/

>PC gaming has a culture of customization and modification, and we want to ensure that those gamers can do what they want to the game. We're looking into the possibilities of a dedicated level editor -- we want to ensure that gamers will be playing FFXV for a long time to come.

>>388361482
>modders will make a better game than base XV

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>>388361164
>Kingsglaive
>Brotherhood
>Platinum Demo
>Justice Monsters
>FFXV
>A King's Tale
>King's Knight
>A New Empire
>Choco-mog Festival
>Episode Gladio
>Episode Prompto
>Episode Ignis
>Comrades
>Pocket Edition
>Monsters of the Deep
>Windows Edition
>Assassin's Festival
The Universe just keeps growing!!!

Is the story good yet?

>>388362051
They're working on it, apparently.
Had to get all the promotional stuff finished first.

>>388358740
I see XV-kun has rigged the poll

>>388361923
a bunch of names for the same crap
like mirror tricks

>>388362194
I really enjoy XV but this image cracks me up

>>388361923
So based off all of this we can safely assume FFXVI will be an incomplete mess too?

>>388362347
It will be developed by a completely different team, so probably not.

>>388362194
reminder:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcUSXub_ypU

>>388362490
this trailer still gives me goosebumps

>>388362241
"XV has superior weapons and weapon variety and combat to BOTW, no two ways about it."

Actual quote from XV-kun.

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>>388362194

>>388362490
One of the best trailers I've ever seen for a game.
So much more badass than the final game.

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>>388361330
>XV apologists

kek I'll take things that will never happen for 500, please. I'd rather defend XIII.

>>388362890

The irony because before this game, people said no one would ever defend FFXIII. You're just proving the point.

>>388360652
This is following a different logic though. Versus was the game we were hyped for after shitty 12 , not 13 or 15. We wanted KH+FF and that's what Versus was, XV isn't that.

>>388361245
>>388358740
Also fuck this poll. Do you realize how autistic XV-kun is?

>>388363067

FFVersus was a trailer. You guys built up an image in your head of what the game was going to be. This is what happens with every announced FF game. You guys imagine what it should be and hype it to death for Square. Then it comes out and you all buy it, then get mad it wasn't what you tricked yourself into thinking it would be.

You're proving the point.

>>388363187
OP, here. The results are surprising me. I thought for sure Versus would get more votes than XV by at least a little bit.

>>388363357
I sure as shit didn't trick myself into thinking I'd get to fight Stella and escape from my modern city hometown as it gets invaded. Square told me I'd get to do that.

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>>388362194

>>388363050
There is no irony because he's saying he would rather defend it, not that he does.

>>388362490

I'm glad i never watched a single Versus or XV trailer

>>388363579
Why? You missed something better than the entire game

>>388363476

And every FF game since FFVII has had ideas the developers shared during production that didn't make it into the final game. So you have 20+ years of warning not to trust them.

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>>388363675
Almost a decade of marketing with lavish trailers is a bit of a step above, "ideas the developers shared during production," don't you think?

>>388363357
Fuck off retard. I've not even once hyped up a FF game. Most people looked forward to Versus because it looked cool, only retards like you were speculating. And you're also the same retards who disregard all the leaked information regarding the game. XV in the end wasn't a thing like Versus and you can see that by watching the old trailers and taking said leaks into consideration.

>>388363371
You literally can't trust XV thread polls because XV-kun has been permabanned since January yet he still posts. He knows how to spoof.

>>388362675
Well, I'm not wrong. Weapon variety isn't such a huge deal in either game though since the inputs and moveset differences are largely pointless. The only reason weapon variety exists in XV is because some enemies are arbitrarily weaker to some types than others, the fact that the movesets are different is just a flair for style, something BotW probably could've used a little more of.

I found XV's combat funner than BotW's

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>>388363630

>Why? You missed something better than the entire game

The trailers are always better than the movie/game, they're a painstakingly produced to show the best 3 minutes of footage they can. They're never a good representation of the final product.

>>388363825

But fact that the developers promised something and didn't deliver doesn't change based on how much marketing it got. Especially since FFVII got a bigger marketing budget than FFXV.

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>>388363934

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljtEg1VOVag

Ocasional reminder that Hajime "the hack" Tabata destroyed a game that was supposed to be a masterpiece.

>>388363840

>Most people looked forward to Versus because it looked cool
So you hyped a game just because it had a flashy trailer? You deserve to be screwed. Just like all those Last Guardian, Destiny, Duke Nukem Forever and Daikatana fags.

>>388364015
This is pure ignorance. What's it feel like being ignorant on purpose?

>>388364183

What's your argument? That movies/games are better than the trailers? That They really are a good representation of the final product? That they're not painstakingly created to show the best 3 minutes of footage?

Feel free to point out counter examples

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>>388364103
I've never actually read this image. Was this XV-kun arguing Luna and Stella were the same person, or that they were sisters, or that Luna was better than Stella?

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Nomura reboot made by BD1 when?

>>388364146
I see you can't read.

>>388364332
Just let it fucking rest. Please.

>>388364332
Never but we can dream.

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>>388364320
Arguing that they were the same person. Delusional, as usual.

>>388364332
kek

>>388364117
>Nomura
>Masterpiece
The only person capable of directing actual artistic masterpieces was Matsuno, and Square Enix had him killed off.
Even so, Nomura and Tabata aren't the ones putting microtransactions and $40-$80 worth of story DLC in games. Square Enix needs to die so that whatever talent exists, Nomura included albeit not in a directorial capacity, can get the fuck on with a studio that isn't the pagan definition of evil incarnate.

>>388364117

You can't ruin what never existed. I think the exact words your going for is "Didn't produce the exact image I had of the game based on advertisements that were made under a different creative head", the trailer you posted was also very scripted

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I enjoyed XV despite the shit story, but obviously Versus would have been much better.

Really shows how great this game when 99% of the threads are just bait or edrama

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>>388364585
good post

>>388364146
No, like he's not wrong. You do not know the extent Barry will go to lie and deceive. He was just caught lying the other day when he tried to pass off making KH shitpost threads

>>388363067
I dunno, I was way more hyped for XIII than Versus when the original trailers dropped. I only started caring about it when XIII was a huge disappointment, and only started getting hype after the rebranding trailer, since that was the first one that didn't look like typical Nomura trash.

>>388364376

>people hyped FFVersus because it looked cool
Despite it being so early in production that there was no gameplay or even set story. You guys created an image in your head of what FFVersus was going to be. When in reality, the game was always going to change during development. Some of the ideas from Versus got incorporated into the final game and some things got changed. It's naive to think this same outcome wouldn't have happened if they kept the old name and old team. Nomura would have changed things over time as well.

No really, explain how I can't read.

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I guess XV-kun is slacking cause Versus is catching up.

https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/932981-final-fantasy-xv/75710182?jumpto=136#136
I already miss him

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>>388364817

But Noct was a great character, had good character development

>>388364585

>The only person capable of directing actual artistic masterpieces was Matsuno
And Kato and Horii.

>>388361923
Not even VII was milked this much.

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>>388364834
What the fuck why?

>>388364685
This.

>>388364959
How is a ten year timeskip and suddenly becoming a le hardened badass good character development? Even crucial evidence of his growth are locked off in Prompto's DLC.

>>388364959
Just post your best ending ever created and story that elevates the medium shit already.
I liked parts of the game but it's like you XVfags can't do more than post the same 3 things over and over and over again

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>>388364817
Noctis' development was pretty neat. Luna's death was kino

>>388365085
I'm not sure what that image has to do with my comment

>>388360791

My question is how are they going to translate all the goofy shit in FF7 to the remake. T

XV threads are really getting sad lately.
It's like the only game people can't just talk about without memes or fighting each other while throwing usernames around or replying to bait.
Except for very rare threads taht die in less than 100 posts and have actual discussion without the over the top fanbys and haters.

>>388364332
In the end "The figure that still lies asleep in the Fantasy" finally made sense..
fucking squeenix,why they hate us so much?

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Is this a bug? Where's the boss?

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>>388364879
Stop repeating yourself, you're not even right. There was plenty of gameplay and story stuff and it was very different than what the final game had.

>>388365030

Nah, it was. It got half a dozen sequels, two prequels and an overpriced movie. And soon will have a remake with half a dozen more spin offs and DLC chapters. And probably an anime.

FFVII really set the model for FFXV.

>>388365316
It's just a random picture.

>>388358740
I don't get why anyone puts stock in trailers. They mean literally nothing.

>>388365537
But it wasn't milked as much as XV. And FFVII had fans demand more, complete opposite in this case.

>>388365030
It might be about the same. The different is that it took VII 20 years to get there. It took XV only less than a year to get there not to meantion the movie and anime came out before it

>>388365530

>There was plenty of gameplay and story stuff and it was very different than what the final game had.
Yeah...shown over years of development. You're trying to complain that aspects of an unfinished game should have been in the final game. That's fine. But realize ALL games have parts that get changed during development. You've just set yourself up to believe the stuff that got changed for this one game would have made it good. Which shows just how delusional Final Fantasy fans are.

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>>388358740
Where are all these fucking votes coming from?

15 and 13 really aren't that bad. I think it's kind of funny that when people talk about how "over" the series is it turns out they only played like 3 games in it and started with FFX or some shit.

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>>388365859
>implying I'm a FF fan
lmao you can stop repeating yourself XV-kun.

>>388365693

Final Fantasy sells entirely on hype from trailers/press events/FMVs. More than any other series I can think of. And despite FF fans going through this same cycle for two decades of being hyped for a game, but hating the final product, they keep falling for it. And get hyped for the next game.

We'll probably have some weak teaser trailer for FFXVI at the next TGS and the cycle will begin yet again.

>>388365470
>Tabata claims the major myth arc from Versus is still intact
>Final game has almost zero lore in the main story, you have to dig it up through obtuse, ambiguous optional dungeons and side materials
>What lore exists seemingly has nothing to do with anything that was teased or mentioned in Versus
I mean, I knew he had to be lying on some level, but the sheer audacity, goddamn.

>>388366102
it's actually new fans who buy the new games, as they grow up.

old FF fans don't obviously.

>>388366052

I'm not FFXV Kun. Its very easy to tell who he is because he writes walls of text for every post and has the same angry comebacks/images every time. Not to mention, if I was him, I'd be defending the game to death. Instead, I'm pointing out how you fell for the typical Final Fantasy hype. And you should use this experience to learn a lesson. Never trust Square hype. And never expect a game will be good until after you play it.

>>388361923
you forgot manga anthology and Prelude novel

>>388366257
My first FF was ff1 and I still buy most of the games. There has yet to be a genuinely bad FF.

>>388366102
I don't really get why people who only liked 7 and 10 keep buying the games.

>>388366257

Nah, old fans fall for it as well. But you are right that the majority of sales come from new people who haven't played a FF game before. You can tell because most of the sales for the games come from the west, where enough marketing can sell any shitty game. Whereas FF sales have fallen in Japan, where they need more support from the core fanbase to hype them.

>>388358740
Never really cared about versus, but i was pretty excited vor XV up until like 2014 after that it took a weird turn and the finally release was maybe a 6.5/10 for me not to mention all the updates that are still coming out for years and the DLC episodes and sht that won't be done for a while.
It should've stayed a weird spinoff or they should've cancelled it before it became a mainline game.
I hope Square will just make a game with a clear vision and one complete game without any bullshit for FFXVI. Mainline FFs sure have come a long way, it's weird how they treat one of their biggest moneymakers and franchises.
WoFF was pretty nice though and i usually hate chibi stuff.

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>>388366413
Not to mention the Dawn trailer, which is actually considered a canon part of the story despite the fact that it's not in the game.

Oh and the Omen trailer and Episode Duscae.

>>388366546
Japan and the west have always liked different games. Japan loves the shit out of FF4 and it doesn't do as well in the west. The also disliked 6 and the west loves 6. 7 did better over here too.

>>388366326
>I'm not FFXV Kun
So you're telling me there are two XV fanboys who hate the FF fanbase? It's obvious you're just tired of getting banned so it's hilarious seeing you cover your tracks and shit on yourself.

I'll call your alter ego "XV-san".

>>388366443

>I don't really get why people who only liked 7 and 10 keep buying the games.
Probably because Square keeps tricking them into thinking the next game will be 'like' FFVII and X. They obviously tried to market FFXIII to appeal to the FFVII fans. Not to mention Wada stupidly expecting the game to surpass FFVII in sales.

>>388365994
It was so fucking funny. The thread wasn't even up for 10 minutes and the survey votes like rocketed up to like 40. He's not even subtle about it.

>>388366685
Then they're fucking retards. Every game in the series is different from every other game in the series. That's kind of the whole schtick. 7 and 10 weren't even that good, 10 in particular was kinda meh if you were a long time fan.

So anyone reading the fan's account at the fan event?

>>388366664

Japan loved FFVI and VII. And VIII and X. Their interest in the games had nothing to do with the western sales. Western sales is based on general marketing hype (aka TV commercials and paid review scores). Japanese sales is based on word of mouth hype. Over time, the Japanese fanbase has been waning. But in the west, Square just throws more marketing at the problem.

>>388364817
>Calm and collected, levelheaded
>A teenager with a shit past who just lost his home, his father and entire country

Pick one

>>388366257
I'm an "old" FF fan and i still buy all of them. Not because i think they'll be great, just because i played all of them and won't stop now.
But XVs marketing went way overboard and lastet for years and with each month it became more and more absurd to the point where they just made sandwiches with ecelebs for like a month.
it felt like they were afraid that people forget about it if they don't give them new info or a new trailer every week

>>388366958
Nomura's Noctis and the game was different than Tabata's.

>>388366580
Yeah, those.

Square's like :
Lest's make next instalment, continuity can go fuck itself!

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>>388365530
>a year before the game came out and everyone still had hopes and dreams about playing through Insomnia Invasion

Uncovered ruined everything.

>>388366932
Japan really didn't love FF6 dude. That's part of the reason 4 has like 10 remakes and 6 has one. FF has never been nearly as big in Japan as Dragon Quest.

>>388366675

>So you're telling me there are two XV fanboys
When did I ever say I like FFXV? I haven't defended it in any way. Once again, since you keep trying to dodge my point, my whole point was showing you that you fell for the hype of a game that was still in development. We've all fallen for this at one time or another (I fell for it with Assassins Creed III). The difference is, you are trying to claim the game would have been good if it had everything from early in development. And there's no way to prove this.

Why is the FF series the only one that seems to have weird problems at Square and only ever since the HD era.
Maybe they should stop going for innovation and realistic visuals all the time.

>>388367205

>Japan really didn't love FF6 dude.
Based on what source?

>That's part of the reason 4 has like 10 remakes and 6 has one.
FFVI has no remake. Just a shitty "enhanced" port to smartphones. FFIV got a high budget (for a DS game) remake and it also didn't meet their expectations. Which put a halt on them remaking V or VI.

>>388360791
>Not turn based
Already dropped.

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>>388367246
>my whole point was showing you that you fell for the hype of a game
I see you still can't read. Sorry for confusing you for XV-kun, XV-san.

>>388367273
After the merger they lost all the worth while FF staff.

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>>388367171
To be fair to the game, it's an important part of the narrative that Noctis WASN'T at Insomnia, but I would've liked to play through it as Nyx or maybe even Regis. The narrative in the early stages of XV is very strictly established to be told only from Noctis' perspective, but for some reason they then decide to throw in random scenes and events Noctis has no knowledge of.

>>388366960
I see XV as their hardcore attempt to westernize. Everything since XIII has been an attempt to match the western style of development(i.e. greater focus on technology rather than design, a looser, more "adaptable" approach, a flatter staff hierarchy, more open-ended design), which is stupid, because that's actually losing favor more recently. They're trying to chase trends and it doesn't work because they can't move fast enough to keep up.

I still cant understand how the all powerful "Luminous engine PRO" can look worse than the Ebony engine from 2013 and before.

>>388367707
they fell for the open world meme

>>388367386
FF4 has the remake, the psp version, the midquel the sequel etc. They fucking love FF4. FF6 generally doesn't do very well in polls or get put into side material.

>>388367538

>stop repeating yourself FFXV Kun
>FFXV Kun
>you're just FFXV Kun
>okay FFXV San
>doesn't respond to any points because he knows his argument is dead

>>388367614
Sadly this is the greatest proof of how they changed the game plot

>>388358740
If you asked me which had more interesting trailer it might be pretty close or if it was V13 trailers vs XV potential, but the whole universe? Really who votes for that the fucking movie, anime, lore book, fishing mini game, dlc episodes, the game itself that gives you most of it's "lore" in loading screens ffs.
Imo people are way too soft on FFXV, it's sad to see how Square takes care of their franchises or at least FF these days.
Sure it made "a lot" of money but it also only broke even at 5 million and who knows if that includes engine costs and even if V13 never came out it still ate up money and manpower that could've easily been used to make 1-2 FF games with a clear vision.

SE better not make this shit a trend. How hard can it be to just make a mainline FF with a story that doesn't try anything amazing, really good characters, tons of optional content and stuff. And i really wish they'd try to make a mainline FF again that isn't trying to look realistic. I'm not the biggest fan of 9, but at least it looks different from all the others

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>>388367246
Nigga, you're right to an extent, but Square is shameless about being deceptive little Jews. Nevermind the fact that XV was changing drastically even 2 years before release, they always mislead you with marketing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HvgPzpbLhM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUyVRC52RZ8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXMJTGna_xA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZymd6r4wGg

You're right. I should've been smarter, but how the fuck was I supposed to know that they were going to jew me a few months before release?

>>388367789

>FF4 has the remake, the psp version, the midquel the sequel etc. They fucking love FF4.
The number of times a game gets remade doesn't always coorelate to how much a game is loved. As I said, FFIV got a pretty expensive remake on DS. But barely sold more than a port of Chrono Trigger on DS.

On the other side, FFVII is only now getting its first remake. But is clearly the most popular and best selling FF game.

>>388367273
Seeing how good WoFF turned out to be, your stantment is more than true.

With simple graphic and more difficult cutscenes done in anime style Square produced something new, complete, with interesting mechanic.

Let's think how good FFXV could be if devs wouldn't do shit like making whole continent just to have background to show in tran windows.
And knowing from the start what they want to do with game would help too

>>388367824
>>doesn't respond to any points because he knows his argument is dead
wew lad

>>388367921
I don't understand why people still watch prerelease shit and fall for this garbage. Watch final gameplay then decide whether to buy it.

>>388368073
>Seeing how good WoFF turned out to be,
good joke

>>388367707
Worst priorities ever. "open" world that is too big for it's own good and characters models with way too many polygons that still don't look great because the textures and aliasing on the hair can't keep up.
They even showed a comparison between like 6-7 models with different amount of polygons and the last 2-3 barely looked different, they could've just used those for gameplay and make it overall look better with that, you won't notie every single hair anyway when you teleport around

>>388367921

>You're right. I should've been smarter, but how the fuck was I supposed to know that they were going to jew me a few months before release?
Just experience for the most part. Since they have done this with every FF game since VII. There's nothing wrong with getting fooled by it for the first time. Just don't trust Square with their next FF game.

Honestly the only series of theirs I trust blindly is Dragon Quest. Because I have yet to play a bad DQ game, but also because Yuji Horii barely shows anything of the game until right before it launches. About the biggest scandal DQ has ever had was the switch from ARPG to turn based for DQIX.

>>388365138
>Beginning; Carefree and quiet, just wants to see Luna again
>Father dies; Becomes angry about the responsibilities he has inherited and the God's prophecy, becomes despondent and uncaring of everything- even seeing Luna
>Titan; Displays his displeasure with his title and responsibility and gets his ass told by Gladio. +100 to Vitality.
>Ramah; Witnesses the Empire's invasion firsthand and the trouble that Luna is going through on his behalf, reaffirms his commitment to her and seeing her through the strife, although still reluctant about his fate.
>Imperial Infiltration; Following the Empire's occulation of Lestallum and Jared's death, he dreams about slaughtering Imperial troops and becomes vengeful leading to him accepting the God's power for that very purpose.
>Altissa; Accepts his duty as King and meets with Merkel to discuss Luna and the ritual to convene with Leviathan, ultimately accepting responibility for the civilians of Altissa and their wellbeing
>Leviathan; Becomes stricken with grief and self-doubt following the death of Luna, evidently too weak to even discuss Ignis and the personal state of his own "brothers", leading to tension within the group.
>Gralea-Train; Despondent and dwelling on the past, Gladio again confronts Noctis for being weak and unfit to lead. He is revealed to be too afraid to wield the Ring of the Lucii.
>Tenebrae-Train; Noctis finds his duty to his brothers-in-arms following Ignis' speech in the mines and becomes conversely distraught when he is fooled and pushed Prompto off the Tenebrae-bound train. Displays sadness and a theorized distrust in himself when he believes that Prompto, if alive, will think he betrayed him.
>Gralea; Desparate and without the help of his comrades, Noctis is forced to use the Ring and abandon his friends in an attempt to restore the light once and for all.
>Crystal; Gets schooled by Bahamut and is tasked with completing the prophecy and accepting his role as the True King, which he does.

>>388358740
Neither.

Versus XIII was already the less interesting between XIII and itself and look how XIII turned out.The shift to XV didn't exactly do it a lot of favors.

>>388368023
7 was also the first game where western sales beat japanese sales iirc. It was the first game where square tried to appeal to westerners. At one point in development it was going to be a detective story set in new york.

For all you guys bitching about them appealing to the west, most of your first FFs was an example of it.

>>388368073
WoFF was crap dude and I'm fairly sure it sold like crap too.

I'd just like to say that all the way back in 2008, I said this game was going to be a mess. Because it was a story driven game trying to have an open world. Very VERY few games have ever pulled this off. The idea of Final Fantasy, a series which already has trouble keeping a coherent story with linear hallways, being able to pull off a total open world, was laughable.

>>388358740
Was that thing posted on reddit or why is it exploding

>>388368642
It's exploding because XV-kun rigged it.

>>388367884
So many instalments, yet so lttle of actual lore. Fan theories making everything seem kind of deep, but thye just theories, never to be confirmed.

Also hate how many things is unsure about this game, whole DLC could be just a dream/halucination.

>>388368623
I really don't feel like this series has trouble keeping their story straight barring shit like the horrific translation for 7.

>>388365138
>>388368454
In fact, there is no development after the timeskip. That's the point because it's the ending. He wouldn't have accepted Bahamut's proposition at any other point if he had been presented with it. When he leaves his friends behind in Zegnautus is the last time he develops, and is mimicked in the Last Campfire, when he admits his fear and regret at leaving the group again.

>>388368702
You really think is mind is strong enough to not post in this thread?

>>388368798

I have trouble finding one FF game that keeps the story straight. They all put a plot twist in somewhere that makes everything before seem pointless. The worst offenders being FFIV and X. Yet those are some of the most celebrated games for their story.

>mobile chibi release

They've fooled you since the fucking start, debate me.

>>388368964
FF1 is simple as fuck other than the timetravel which is basically just "go back in time and kill a dude". FF2 is fairly straightforward. FF3 same thing. FF4 Not sure what you're talking about, but I agree about X. I could keep going but most of the games are fairly straightforward.

>>388365138
I always thought it was weird how all the characters still wore the same outfits and they really cheaped out on creating new character models for post timeskip, no aranea, no iris even though htey talk about her, no cindy even though they go to her fucking garage, just the littel boy nobody cared about.

>>388358740

If you include Versus XIII trailers as part of the FFXV universe, which you should because the original world they were creating is still present in a subtle form in the game that was released, then the FFXV universe is more interesting. FFXIII Versus was going to be incredibly dark, probably one of the most depressing games ever made, and those ideas are still in XV, but they subdued them wisely...

>>388369115

>FF1 is simple as fuck other than the timetravel
Which is another example of the story becoming too convoluted for its own good. Which most subsequent FF games continued. But FF1 is actually a good example of what I was talking about. The fact that you keep having to go back in time to fight the same bosses and redo certain events makes everything you did before that seem like filler.

>>388368454

fuck. this game is ... fuck ... it's good ...

>>388369171
Probably had to, to reach a bigger audience after the mainline switch.
A whole kingdom that lives under the god of death may wouldn't have worked so well. Imo it should've stayed a spinoff. They should've put it on hold in 2011 or just cancel it.
It was weird seeing the painting from the V13 trailer in a fishtank in Kingsglaive and the XV logo which was basicly a in universe god back then is now retconned to be luna with a broken neck on noctis' lap

>>388369286
I see. I disagree but I really like boss rushes. It seems like you're complaining that most FFs have you losing for the first part of the game.

Did you feel like kefka blowing up the world made the whole first half of the game pointless?

I can't believe you cucks are still at this all these months later.

Voted XV just to shut you up.

>>388360442
XV-kun and his 100 ips hard at work, that's why.

>>388368589
It was just silly fanservice game. Sure, if someone wanted great, deep story it turned out shtit. And main characters were retarded, with almost anime-like personalities.

But battle mechanic was interesting, FF characters done well better than in Dissidia or KH, especially when game poked fun at classic FF games (wild Titus laugh appears!).

>>388369115
FFIV is probably the worst FF story, despite it being admirably ambitious for the time. It created so many tropes.
>Everybody sacrifices themselves to help you except they actually didn't die
>Midpoint feels like the ending
>Moon people LMAO I actually liked this, but the ship was kind of goofy
>Your estranged brother is the antagonist
>True antagonist is an ambiguous evil thingy that was controlling your brother

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>>388369123
>just the littel boy nobody cared about
DELET

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>>388369592
Does that mean he will use this poll as proof when he comes back tomorrow or in a few days?
I really wish he would just stay away. These threads are never great, but without him people usually try to actually have somewhat of a discussion, we even had a good duscission aobut the gameplay yesterday or the day before that when he wasn't around

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SE employee, here.

Versus is coming but you will be waiting a long time guys. The right people have seen the demand, but the XV Universe needs to be finished first.

>post an already rigged poll by XV-kun
>Versus still gets lots of votes steadily throughout the thread anyway
>XV-kun nervously sweating revving up all those ips he uses to ban evade threadly

kek

So much for no one giving a fuck about Versus anymore. Atleast the votes for that are real and aren't some autist.

>>388369972
I liked giving him toys, but he really shouldn't have been one of the main characters after the timeskip

>>388358740
I think we finally have found a way to contain XV-kun, just make a poll and he will get stuck voting ad infinitum.

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>>388358740
>OP makes a petty, meaningless poll hoping for a circlejerk
>Gets btfo
>B-but its XV-kun! XV-kun is sabotaging us. That has to be it!

This is one of the most pathetic things I've ever seen on this board, and this is a pretty pathetic board.

>>388367614
But you and I both know that this change-up derived from the fact that there just simply wasn't enough time to flesh events like the Insomnia Invasion out before the deadline. Hearing Insomnia fell from a fucking newspaper, knowing very well that in an alternate timeline, you are playing and experiencing it was a massive case of blue ball. And also, I hate the "Because you are this character, you are not able to see certain events for full immersion" meme. Showing other perspectives doesn't hamper in any way your ability to resonate with the main character. They're not even consistent with this because they show different perspectives all the time throughout the game, and are adding new ones in updates. To know that the game was rushed, with cut sequences, and still pretend as if this new blue-ball direction where they don't show you anything was better than what could've been is what pisses me the fuck off.

>>388369982
My mother is Nomura and i can confirm this

>>388369975
He's obsessed with irrelevant rigged polls, so yes.
Funny I don't hear him talking about the recent one on his favorite website where Aranea is beating out his cardboard waifu tho.

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>>388370072
You underestimate him. Even his post speed has gone up lately, he usally posts like 3-4 times a minute when he has to

>Versus XIII looked like shit
>was going to be directed by a talentless hack
>XV comes out, is shit
>was directed by a talentless hack
Seem pretty evenly matched to me.

>>388370124
I'm OP, and I made it just to see what would happen and to create a discussion. Wasn't trying to circlejerk anything LMAO.

>>388370072
This but now that he got called out, he's panicking
>>388370124

>>388370059
Yeah I was hoping to see Daemon Hunter Iris and Cindy in that orange jacket, but oh well.
Maybe they'll patch the Post-Game content to be accessible during the Timeskip and add some content for them and Cor.
>Objective: Bury Cid

>>388370260
At least V13 never came out. It's like they didn't learn a single leasson in those 8-10 years.
Do they really have noone left at Square that could've just made a good FF without relying on a director that only made mobile games and scraps of a game that was never meant to be a mainline FF anyway

>>388370127
Insomnia Falls is Kingsglaive. No, I'm not happy about it either, but at least it exists.

>>388370369
>they'll patch the Post-Game content
They aren't even sure to give content for Ardyn and Luna, two options, which won the Survey.

>In December tell the last missing piece of the events of the protagonists, namely the moment when Ignis loses sight. In the original game is shown only the world from the eyes of Noctis, as you know, so it was necessary to give the version also of its companion.The main requests that we have reached during the last survey we have launched relate to the production of two other DLC:those of Lunafreya and Ardyn. We would really like to fulfill these requests, but we are part of a great company. We need to understand if this need for players to reflect those of Square-Enix: It would be nice, however,to get to create something like that

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>>388370369
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wfNjf1cWRs
I hope they won't do shit like that, they wouldn't be able to do it right. They'd probably just play the piano somnus track and be done with it

>>388369783

This. All of these cliches were repeated too many times in later FF games. Granted, they were taken from other media that came before FFIV. Which is why FFIV shouldn't get any credit for 'innovating' anything. It's like trying to say Naruto is innovative.

>>388370556
Really because it seems like going by initial reactions to the fan event, they're well aware what people wanted by the survey? Where did you get that blurb from?

>>388370697
Google translate it
https://www.spaziogames.it/recensioni_videogiochi/console_multi_piattaforma/21294/final-fantasy-xv-universe-hajime-tabata-ci-racconta-futuro-di-noctis

Man i really wished to know what Nomura himself thinks about the FFXVUNIVERSE situation

>>388368454
The character development for the main party was probably the best part of the game. Except for Gladio's since they apparently forgot to do that with him.

>>388370127
This is what i hate the most about XV (ok alongside being led by hand by antagonist, and huge holes in plot and lore) - game doesn't show critical story events but gives us "cutscenes" with characters discussing those. It's like main party are just bystanders. And their actions means nothing to the story.

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I really wish the final OST was more consistent. I usually like just listening to OSTs every now and then but XVs OST feels like 50% belongs to one and 50% belongs to another game.
Some tracks feel like they're supposed to tell a story, make a you feel a certain way or play during a cery specific scene and then there's just dude loud epic shit

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>>388370873

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>>388369982
Since XV apparently has alternate realities, they could make Versus and it wouldn't be out of place.

>>388370982
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkG-Jtfkbxg
>track is more then 10 years old
>still one of the best in the soundtrack

>>388370982
Yeah, sounstrack is over 5 hours and only couple of tracks are memorable (mostly those done by Shimura, years before game release)

>>388370881
There's like a ten minute boat ride where they just talk about things happening. In the trailer, it looked like you were controlling the boat and would sail to Altissia (and maybe other places), but it's just an overly long exposition dump cutscene that gives you the ability to move your camera around to fool you into thinking you have more control than you actually do.

>>388370878
Ignis definitely got the shaft. Gladio at least had self-doubt after Ravus, and the benefit of calling Noctis out on his bullshit- something I was not expecting.
Hopefully we'll get to see Ignis going nuclear in December. I feel like I missed a number of the camp "tours" even though I have 120 hours in the game.

On a semi-related note; I really enjoyed the performances on the voice actors. Really felt like genuine performances.

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>>388371210
Exactly.

;)

>>388371217
>this dope game will never come out
it's not fair bros

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>ardyn's backstory won the FFXV survey
>he has a lot of story, so the devs are unsure if they want to do a DLC or video
Really man? If he has so much fucking story why wasn't any of that in the game to begin with, they aren't even trying to make it sound like a finished game anymore

BUT MUH DAEMONSLAYER IRIS

>Another thing; what about Iris? We heard Prompto say at one point she´s gotten really tough, they call her the demonslayer Iris now - will we get to see someting of that?

>A: Well, actually we were planning on showing some of this in the comrades-dlc, since, you know, it takes place at this very time. However, we´re not sure about just how much we can manage to cram in there - it´s all very difficult still.

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>>388369982
>>388371210

Is there an alternate reality where XV was actually a good release?

Man i still remember when Ardyn was "the red haired guy" and the main antagonist was supposed to be either "hooded man" or Iedolas. And funny enough it appears that Ardyn was never supposed to be the main antagonist either (He replaced some general named Safay Roth as the antagonist)

>>388371217
I still like trashbag sharingan sasuke. Sometimes games can just be dark and serious and edgy if they're fun to play.

It's unreal how the old trailers, even the 2013 e3 reveal/rebranding feel so different in mood and tone from everything that came after.

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>>388371734
It's coming in the future.

>>388371934
I remember people screaming "Kefka!!!" since his first appearance in E3 trailer.

>>388371809
Probably were XV-kun lives

>>388371278
Don't forget two long scenes where you do nothing just walk inside the train.

generally if we're talking about venchicles in FFXV i see some pattern. They force you to stare at them for long minutes and do nothing (hours in case of Regalia). It's like devs were shoving down our throat "hey we modeled that piece of machine! Now stare at it!"

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>>388371770
Are they even sure about anything.
That's what i hated the most about all the ATRs and Tabatas interviews he goes on and on about characters and what could've been and what may come and even push a survey just to say a few months later that it's too hard or they jsut make a video of it.

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>>388371947
Versus was never really edgy, at best people shitposted about Nomura making a big deal out of the fact Versus was going to have blood. But it was intellectual or poetic more-so than edgy.

>>388371934
Meh, much as it pains me to admit it I'm pretty sure Ardyn being the big bad was one of the few things they kept from VsXIII. I wanted him to be more of a morally grey character, alternately helping Noctis and the antagonist, only after his own gain/survival.

Also I'm pretty sure Roth was just a Seymour rival type-character.

>>388370556
>content for Ardyn and Luna
>which won the Survey
Fuck them. I wanted to see what happened during that ten year gap.

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>>388372643
>I wanted to see what happened during that ten year gap.

>>388372152
All Tabata's recent interviews is fucking disaster.
I still can't figure out will they support the game after PC release or not. In one interview he was talking about "no plans in 2018", in next interview he is putting this "depends on players opinions" card.
He is mentioned possible Ardyn game (!!!) on conference, but then he isn't sure will they even do something.

>>388372643
Comrades DLC is World of Ruin.

>>388372403
Roberto Ferrari (character design) told that Ardyn was made in december 2010 so i think he wasn't always going to be the main antagonist.

>>388371947
>>388372316
i can totally see people shitting about versus being shit edgy fuck if we got it instead of the actual xv,but damn, that trailer were it shows noctis stabbing that soldier midair with all that blood was damn nice

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GO7nyrNBFXA
I think this was the last time i had slight hope for FFXV, the UI and camera is also way better than the final game, but you can still see that the gameplay is still pretty bad, they just cut away every few seconds because they get hit by nothing all the time.
I don't even want V13 or want people to dislike XV, i just hope Square will never do weird shit like that again.
They push out tons of other games even with decent stories and cahracter yet their last few FF games always had problems

>>388372789
>>388372794
I don't care about literal who OCs.

>>388369783
It wasn't perfect, but it was great for the time and it hold up today imo. Not every story needs to be new and full of twists and turns. We still tell fairy tales because some stories just have classic appeal. I bet you could tell FF4 as a bedtime story and a kid would love it.

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>>388372856
Final boss was supposed to be Stella.
Ardyn was just another one of the villains.

>>388373043
Well it's certainly too long to be a bedtime story.
>...AND THEN THE SPOONY BARD

>>388371770
>more examples of shit that should have been in the game and easily could have been in the game being sold to you as DLC
>and maybe even not at all lmao

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21Xn6DOiQpg

I don't get why not even the PC version looks as good as the old gameplay footage. I wish they'd update the combat at least.

>>388372950
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXMJTGna_xA

For me it was this. Still seemed like it was going to tell a huge, complete, gripping storyline full of misery.

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Name a character more wasted than Iedolas, even his color scheme got worse on XV

>inb4 Ravus

>>388373627
Watch as they make it but you have to buy another season pass.

>>388373687
>>388372950
The trailer with the giant turtle is when I realized the game was garbage.

>>388373479
Consecutive night obviously. First night you get up to the mist monster, second the desert town etc.

>>388373643
If we're really lucky some mods will fix some issues, but i'm not getting my hopes up and i'm definitely not attached enough to waste time on it myself.
It needs a complete overhaul including balance and item limits and shit

>>388373738
Cor.
From party member to "ayyyy, I'm so upset about Regis, I'm so worry about his death, bye-bye Noctis, like I give a fuck about last Lucis Caelum heir".

>>388373790
Realistically speaking, you're right. It's just, I still had some hope left. Uncovered was when reality hit me like a truck and I had to let go of all the old stuff before Tabata took over.

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>>388373738
>does literally nothing all game
>maybe 2 minutes of screentime
>btw he's prompto's dad lol

>>388373643
It's pretty clear that they completely overhauled the ca. Episode Duscae lighting, which was the biggest change imo. That's something you can't just magically revert/upgrade with a press of a button.

>>388373738
The whole empire was such a waste. The game barely gave me a reason to care about them doing their thing except for "they're the bad empire".
Also Cor went from one of the main poster guys including his own full body CG model with the others to a guy you see for around 15 minutes

>>388370878
>XV characters
>development

Atleast I know just how retarded XV's fanbase is now.

>>388373969
>he ca.
The what? ED was downgraded too, but it did in some ways look better than the final game as well. PC version just looks like console but with more contrast? I didn't watch many comparison videos but it's clearly still downgraded aside from the Nvidia shit.

>>388371210
Give the alternate reality where XV doesn't exist and Versus comes out instead. This timeline is shit.

>>388373738

Maybe not more wasted, because I don't even know if that's possible, but some dishonorable mentions:
>Ravus
>Regis
>Nyx
>Libertis
>Cor
>Verstael
>Luna
>Iris
>Jared
>Cindy
>Loqi
>Calligo

>>388374082
They downgraded it so you could drive around without load screens.

>>388373952
The Uncovered enviroment trailer almost comes close to false advertisement. All those camera angles to make small forest look like new areas or the camera flying through areas like Tenebrae which you can never go to

>>388374195
>I don't get why not even the PC version looks as good as the old gameplay footage.
This is my thing. I know why console games get downgraded.

>>388373738
Everyone not named Noctis Lucis Caelum. They should have made XV with the Omen trailer in mind at this point.

I don't get how you people are so in love with a game that never existed. You took trailers and concept art and shit and mentally fabricated an entire game out of it. Are you all young? Was this your spore, or your fable? Was this the first time the end product didn't match what you'd imagined?

>>388374082
ED was slightly downgraded yes, but the lighting was still pretty decent. I used ca. for "circa" because ED was released around the same time they were still using the original lighting model. The final game is actually an upgrade in pretty much everything except lighting, but it still looks worse than even ED because lighting is like 70% of graphics. It asspains me to no end that nobody ever acknowledges this.

FFXV-KUN!
FFXV-KUN!
FFXV-KUN!

>>388374346
You can stop repeating yourself, XV-san.

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>>388374160
Tabata said there wouldn't be a SEQUEL to XV.

;)

>>388373961
>they could showing him slowly turning from nice and clever scientist into crazy shithead under Ardyn's influences
>but instead of this they made him 1D evil shithead for pure sake's of being evil

FFXV story isn't simply unfinished, it's just flat garbage without any shades between Holy Kingdom of Lucis and Muh Super Bad Empire.

>>388374416
You're mistaken, XV-kun is the one defending this piece of shit release. It's all objectively bad and you're jaded to say otherwise.

>>388374346
We're barely talking about V13 in this thread. Just that it could've been kinda cool and shit.
Most posts are about XV and it's pros and cons or changes to earlier version of XV itself

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>>388372316
This. Versus was supposed to be a more mature and dark story, XV is anime with some "tragedy" thrown in inplace of actual characterization to try and make you feel something.

>>388372935
People always said Versus was edgy, but most of it was in jest and actually was people hyping for it with the boyband jokes. Now people do it unironically because XV is shit. That's the difference. There would always be edgy jokes, but atleast you'd have the satisfaction of a good game and story with Versus at the end of the day, with XV it's just edgy boyband gay jokes and a shit game on top of that. Nothing good about the situation.

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>>388374404
Platinum Demo's visuals still make me laugh.

>>388374520
XV-SAN I said.

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>>388374607
Are you fucking thirteen years old?

>>388372856
I think the main antagonist of Versus was supposed to be more metaphorical than anything. The story itself was just about the cruel realities of the world and interpersonal relationships. He even said it wouldn't be so science fiction and specifically said the last boss wouldn't be some ancient evil out to take over the world. XV is the exact opposite of what he was trying to do with Versus.

>>388374416
I don't recall praising 15. I'm just surprised by the love for a game that never existed in any real way.

>>388374570
No there's a lot of v13 shit in this thread, it's kind of absurd how much praise it's getting considering it never existed.

>>388374607
Take this guy for example, he's delusional. 15 is edgy boyband gay shit, but v13 isn't despite being essentially the same character design.

>>388374730
Correct. The antagonist was the cruel realities of the world itself. No single entity.

>>388374775
hey XV-san

>>388373738
Every character was wasted, even Noctis because the writers are trash.

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>>388374681
>weeb suffix

Same guy

You're being trolled

If you love the game, play it. If you wanna be trolled by XV sankun come to /v/ about XV.

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>>388373643

>>388374346
Go back to voting on the poll XV-kun, we're having a decent thread without you for once.

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>>388372316
>But it was intellectual or poetic more-so than edgy.

>>388374836
Is this just your way of admitting you have nothing constructive to say? I don't follow the shitposting politics or ecelebs around the 15 fandom so I'm not entirely sure what you're accusing me of.

>>388374808
This shit is embarrassing dude. "The emperor isn't the antagonist of FF2, the real enemy was the cruel reality of the world".

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>Tabata had said that one of the major themes in XV was supposed to be about the bond between Father and Son
>is in the game for less than a minute
>Luna shares an actual, better bond with Regis in KG than Noctis even does in the entirety of the game

JUST walk tall bro!!! Bee urself :))))

Sometimes i wonder if others are too soft on FFXV or if i'm just too hard on it.
I just can't take anyone seriously that defends all the post game stuff or the existing XV story and it's structure, same with the combat and my standards aren't even high. But imo this game should get way more shit for what it's doing, if it was just some random new IP from another studio it would've been fine and probably forgotten by now or became a guilty pleasure like Deadly Premonition, but for a AAA mainline FF it's unacceptable

>>388375012
15 isn't anything special. But v13 wasn't either. You guys aren't having a decent thread, you're exchanging fanfiction.

>>388374775
>character design automatically makes something edgy
>implying i ever said versus wasn't boyband

Someone doesn't bother reading posts before replying. Not like you have the capacity to actual comprehend what you read in the first place XV-kun you live in your own fantasy land.

>>388373643

Old Prompto was so much hotter

>>388375053
lmao good find.

>the writer of DISSIDIA of all games did a mainline scenario

no fucking wonder its shit

>>388375042
That was what Versus was about. It's a theme that was actually in other FNC stuff. XIII was about dreams and miracles, Versus was the opposite, all about harsh reality.

>>388375135
Your post is absurd dude. The other guy was right, it comes across as something a teenager would write.

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Hey XV-kun I see you've finally gotten tired of voting on some irrelevant internet poll.

>>388375135
ignore XV-kun.

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>>388375012
Found the XV san/kun trying to say he's not here

fuck off faggot

>>388375291
I thought that guy praises 15. I'm saying right now it was mediocre, but I'm also saying your autistic fanfiction circlejerk about v13 is even worse.

>>388375069
Nier Automata had a nice mini story about Noctis and his father.
Even Kingsglaive or the anime had nothing special about their relationship, it's so weird.

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>>388373643
Prompto used to be such a fucking babe. Fuck Tabata for turning him into a transitioning fat lesbian.

>>388375376
That's why you're XV-SAN, not XV-kun.

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>>388375053
Pretty much everyone who was working on the good version of Versus/XV left to do VII Remake

then Tabata and his shitty handheld devs came in to eat the scraps and shit out this putrid turd

These threads give me headaches.

>>388375498
I see. This is the first FF15 thread I've been in in some time though. I'm actually replaying FFV right now (protip FF was better before nomura had any real control).

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>>388371120
welp

>>388375237
Devs even said at one point that while the theme of XIII was white, Versus had a jet black asthetic in contrast.

>>388375556
If 7R wasn't fucking episodic and on Unreal I might've had hope for it. Literally the last bastion of FF. If it sucks some nip will probably bomb SE HQ.

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>>388375110
Go balls out dude. If you see something wrong, then call it out. I for one think the game isn't called out enough, and I'm seeing a lot more people in general speaking out against which makes me happy. The game deserves it, and SE is so far up their own asses right now with normalfag approval--it's sickening.

http://wccftech.com/games-as-service-mainstream-model/

>>388375604
protip V was when he started getting involved

>288 replies
>48 IPs

So did I miss XV-kun or are the people who jerk off over Versos XIII the same two or three people?

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>>388375604
>FF was better before nomura had any real control

VII's popularity disagrees with this. It's the FF wherein he had the most involvement with the final release version of the game.

>>388375268
I wonder if people would have been more pissed off if Stella was kept, but had the same role and story as Luna.

>>388375708
It's jsut lots of back and forth, these threads never really have many IPs, but in this case most of them actually seem to be people and not 2-3 guys hating or loving it

>>388375743
Not him but popularity is not indicative of quality.

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>>388375641
https://www.vg247.com/2014/10/02/kingdom-hearts-3-nomura-angry/

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>>388375748
the only person 'pissed' about luna or stella or whatever was xv-kun. he was the number one stella fan and he literally went insane when she was cut.

>>388375748
More pissed off. It was a good decision removing her. Luna is pretty much the complete opposite character so if she was still Stella it'd be fucking weird.

>>388375743
I don't give a fuck about popularity. He also still did not have a massive role in 7. He's a good side guy, not a good main guy.

>>388375681
Yes, he did a great job on monster design. Shame about his directing skills.

>>388375708
Lots of people still care about Versus, get over it XV-kun.

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>>388375851
But where do you draw the line

>>388375931
>BASED ON THE STORY BY TETSUYA NOMURA
>He also still did not have a massive role in 7

wut.

>>388376005
He's credited as an artist, he helped with story shit. He did not direct and was not a main writer. Kitase > Nomura

>>388375708
XV-kun is mostly lurking right now so he can act like he actually took his ban serious in a few days.
He's arguing on twitter and gamefags in the meantime

>>388375670
The fact that they're committing to making 2-3 full games out of FFVII while bringing in as much staff that worked on the original as they can means that they're going to make it the highest quality they can and I don't know why you see Unreal as a demerit when the only alternative is the broken ass Luminous engine

>>388375110
I think XV is probably the worst high budget game I've played in my life. Nothing else with the same amount of advertising, multi-media tie-ins and development time (yeah you can argue about how much of that time was actually spent developing what we got but still) has really come close to how much I disliked playing XV, at least not off the top of my head.

>>388375748
Probably more emotionally invested. Cutting or changing her at all would've amounted to the same amount of anger though. With Luna, people just don't care about her and write her off, if she was "still" Stella you'd get much more passioned diatribes about it.

>>388374730
>The story itself was just about the cruel realities of the world and interpersonal relationships
Oh boy I remember this phrase, this guy is like the Nomura-kun to Tabata's XV-kun.

Down boy, I'm actually going to (kind of) agree with you for once, especially now that we know how shit XV turned out to be. Basically my interpretation of VsXIII is that Noctis was supposed to be a very strong, larger-than-life character. He's a prince, he's the chosen one, and because of that, he's objectively more powerful, more morally-upright, hell, even more attractive than most anybody.

BUT hang on, there's a twist, which is that despite all of this, or perhaps because of it, he's actually very stunted as a person. He's over here living in his literal and figurative ivory tower, so of course he's going to be strong and kind and perfect in every way; it's easy to be that way when you're never faced with any moral dilemmas or challenges. The point of the story was to push him out of that comfort zone and to see how "the other half lives," so to speak.

Over the course of the game, Noctis was supposed to learn that even though he's a big damn hero with a tragic fate, and even though it's unfair that he has to suffer and/or die, SO WHAT? EVERYONE gets screwed, everyone does their best, everything is fucked up but we try anyway, that's the point of life. And through his journey he comes to appreciate this and eventually accepts the "raw deal" he's been dealt because everyone has to at some point, and the world IS worth saving, flawed as it is.

If you're extremely generous with your interpretation of XV, you can argue that it still sort of follows this arc, but really it's much closer to the "inexperienced hero goes on a quest, has some laughs, gets stronger, and beats the villain, the end." This is the key distinction between the two arcs: in the first, Noctis actually STARTS as a badass mofo and develops in an almost backwards fashion.

>>388375898
>went so insane he became a Lunafag
What the fuck

>>388375376
>XV
>mediocre

It was absolute garbage, you're not sly XV fanboy.

>>388376240
Why? Neither stella or luna are interesting. How can people be so invested in a character that never existed in any meaningful way.

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>>388376150
Most interviews involving both Nomura and Kitase seem to imply that they were both quite involved.

>>388376185
Nah fuck that. Look at Hitman then come back. Episodic can't and won't ever be a good thing. 'Full games' and "highest quality" means fucking nothing coming from SE too.

Unreal is a shitty engine, Japanese people have no idea how to use it, and SE using it just means they lost faith in their RND and tech specialists.

>>388376362
No it was mediocre. There are no absolutely garbage game in mainline FF. I try not to engage in hyperbole.

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>>388376240
It's not that people don't care about Luna, it's that we're not given any reason to. She's boring with her vernacular and dialogue, bland in character, has no screen-time, and has no romantic chemistry with Noctis. I'm not even mad about Stella. I'm glad she got benched and didn't have to suffer like this. Luna being such a blatant afterthought is what people are pissed off about.

>>388376327
>I remember this phrase

You should if you want to atleast somewhat look like you know what you're talking about seeing as it's a direct quote from Nomura or some dev themself, not "Nomura-kun" or whatever tulpa XV-kun made up. I'm not going to read your wall of text, you clearly just assume shit without doing ANY research seeing as you don't know that most of what is discussed about Versus in this thread is from quotes and interviews not headcanon.

>>388376150
You are not fucking telling me the man who was basically the creative director of the entire VII Compilation was not heavily involved in the original game.

>>388376448
It's not that kind of episodic.

http://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2016/04/11/final-fantasy-vii-remake-interview-game-informer.aspx
>It will essentially be a full-scale game for each part of the multi-part series.
>So, if we’re just looking at each of these parts, one part should be on par with the scale of one Final Fantasy XIII game.

>>388376412
I didn't say Nomura is incompetent, I said he's bad director. At the end of the day Kitase directed and Sakaguchi still had a hand in things. Nomura was a helping hand.

>>388376327
I'm not reading your post either, way too spastic lol.

>>388376647
I seriously feel bad for you building up hype for this. It would be cool if it's good but you're kidding yourself.

>>388376817
I don't do hype, but if you think your cynicism is any better than hype then you're the one kidding yourself.

>>388376479
>no absolutely garbage game in mainline FF

You don't look smarter by taking a neutral stance, just like some pussy who wants to looks smart and is afraid of making strong statements. XV was trash and you're opinion is fucking irrelevant if you're honestly arguing otherwise. Hi XV-kun btw, you're not foolin anyway. This persona of yours posts in the same way everytime. It always starts with

>why do you guys care about a game that didn't evn come out
>fanfiction!
>durr edgy 13 year olds
>im not xv-kun i just dont-
>xv and versus are both edgy shit
>b-but xv was better and actually not bad just mediocre

Every fucking time.

>>388376638
All he's actually credited with as far as I can tell is helping with the writing and doing the character design.

>>388376554
I watched Kingsglave long I actually played the game and I was expecting a lot more from Luna in XV. Pretty damn disappointing.

>>388376903
No. I'm not making a neutral stance. I'm definitively saying there are no bad mainline final fantasies. I'm not 15-kun and if your only counter argument is to call people "noun" and think you've won then maybe you're just wrong.

XV is not trash, it's disappointing but not trash. This fanfiction shit is always dumb as fuck, people did the same thing with MGSV. Your game isn't coming out, and it likely also would have been disappointingly mediocre.

>>388376554
>it's not that people don't care about Luna

Yes it is. No one cares about her and they're not given a reason to. They wanted an actually good heroine, which Stella always looked like she was going to be which is why people still care about her and want her instead.

>>388376942
You're in denial. VII screams Nomura.

>>388377323
Actually it's a fairly good game so it screams Kitase. If Nomura had more of a hand I'm sure sephiroth and cloud would argue about darkness a lot more.

>>388377273
I agree with you about Luna, but I'm saying I'd only want Stella back if she was getting proper treatment and not hamfisted into XV's rewritten script the way Luna was. We should be happy Stella wasn't wasted on XV.

>>388377171
You are taking a strong stance on your neutral stance. There is a difference, and you also have shit taste so it doesn't matter if you are XV-kun or not at this point your opinion is irrelevant.

>>388377407
I'm guessing you're one of those fags who hates Advent Children because MUH CLOUD WAS NEVER EMO?

>>388377514
I just think AC is mediocre. It is true that cloud was never emo though. I just think Nomura is fairly overrated on this board. He's a good character designer but the games he's been directer on have had shit stories.

>>388377407
So anything bad to you automatically screams Nomura no matter what? Glad we got that out of the way so no one has to take your biased ass seriously from here on out. Not that I was, the anon you were responding to unfortunately was though.

>>388377407
So V13 would've been good because Kitase was the main writer?

http://www.siliconera.com/2013/09/20/final-fantasy-xv-director-nomura-on-the-games-next-gen-aspirations/

"Many years have gone by since we first introduced the name of Versus XIII, and because of that, I am aware of the very high expectations you all have for the game. In order to meet those expectations, we, the staff, are all doing our best. Please look forward to it"

This interview still get me hyped, fuck i feel so empty..