Video game series that didn't deserve their cruel fate.

>>388269957
A lot of Sega IPs. Paper Mario/RPG had at least three good games. It doesn't count.

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>>388269957

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This is the worst fate for a franchise ever. There is too much to say, such as starting as some of the most highly anticipated and accepted Video Games of it's time, to becoming a franchise of the worst anticipated and accepted Video Games of all time.
Imagine being one of the most recognized characters of all time yet leaving to the fate of "Sonic the Hedgehog 2006" and "Sonic Boom: Rise of Lyric". Sonic Mania is a comeback to former glory. As is, it has become the top trending tag on Twitter during release, received release on a multitude of platforms, recognized for it's return to what Sonic made special before in more than just gameplay, and is the highest rated Sonic the Hedgehog game in 15+ years.

>>388269957
paper mario was a simple cute rpg like dragon quest it should have gotten the same treatment. keep it simple and the same, make small improvements but dont break the formula. the fuckers

>>388270940
I hope we get a return to what made the Adventure series great too.

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Franchise is pretty much dead, Descent: Underground devs are only using the IP to make a a shitty multiplayer game and Star Citizen'ing the shit out of it.

>>388270516
eh it deserved it hl2 sucked unless your some millennial fag. nobody wanted 1984 the fps featuring "physics" we waned x-files perfect dark shoot em guberment is bad

>>388270516
too soon.

Ape Escape

>>388271718
only good games are the spinoffs. fuck ff is easily the most overrated series besides that metal gear nonsense

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They were too pure

>>388270215
Super Mario RPG 2 when

>>388271883
No

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>>388271989
You already got it. Seriously though, Paper Mario is my favorite game but I feel bad for the original SMRPG fans.

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I know the spin-offs and whatnot are what contributed to its downfall, but it's still amazing how wide the IP branched out..

>>388271667
Speak for yourself.

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>>388269957
Why'd it have to go down like this

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>>388269957
This fucking series.

I mean, for all the bitching from Metroid fags over the years, at least they had a consistent stream of quality games from 2002-2007, and now they're getting two new actual Metroid games both in 2D and 3D.

Star Fox had Star Fox 64 from 20 years ago to its name and that was it.

>>388272148
Just here to remind us that Paper had nothing to do with the game in the first place.
And yet here we are...

>>388272539
SF Command is actually really good, as well as the 3DS remake of 64
but yeah everything else is shit

>>388272539
>Release the same game for a third time
>Expect it to do well with forced gyroscopic controls

Blunder of the century.
At least Adventures was a fun Zelda ripoff.

>>388270940
Came to post Sonic as well.

>>388272820
What's even funnier is that some people swear Adventures killed Star Fox when the original genre is what sealed its fate. You can only do so much with an on-rails shooter.

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>>388272539
Is there hope for a game set after Star Fox 2 now?

Anything Capcom

litterally every good one.


seriously has a single good game series ended well?

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>>388271556
I would add pic related, made by the same people

>>388272539
That's the difference between the 2 franchises. SF has honestly never been that good. The original is fucking identical to SF 64, and those are the only 2 games worth mentioning. Metroid had a slew of decent to fantastic games before there was a decade long drought.

>>388273216
>those are the only 2 games worth mentioning.
>No Star Fox 2

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A critically acclaimed and commercially successful series that went down the toilet because the developers went full "We want the Call of Duty audience" mode. The last official statement related to the franchise was Pyro Studios (now Pyro Mobile) claiming on twitter that a Commandos smartphone game was "coming soon". This happened in 2014.

>>388272637
Paper Mario is literally Super Mario RPG2

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Duke Nukem

>>388272539
hey man, Assault was decent, the on rails arwing sections were great and the local multiplay was fantastic

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>>388269957

Suikoden
Castlevania
Zone of the Enders
Mysterious Ninja

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The last game was outsourced to some shovelware developer 7 years ago.

There has been no news of any new game since then.

>>388271718

Final Fantasy was bad right from the start and kept repeating the same flaws for each new game. If anything, it doesn't deserve the popularity it got.

>>388270397
Turok died so metroid could live

>>388272971
What could possibly make starfox more interesting?
I have a few ideas but i'm not too much of a fanatic to tell if they're good or not
>Vehicle customization (both aesthetic and gameplay)
>More open level design
>Optional exploration
>A bit of on-foot action
>Friendly areas/cities you can wonder around and do stuff in (with some side-quests and activities) but keep it relatively small
Basically take some inspiration from Star Wars

>>388273739
It's not Konami's fault that the market shifted and the last iterations of these games never sold well.

>>388273969
Everything you posted.
The only problem is that Adventures was something no one wanted. Make a game people want with a similar premise and you'd have a good game. Plus, make sure it isn't rushed and reskinned at the last minute.

>>388271914
>you'll probably never get another game

Fuck you too Rare

>>388273894
It wasn't worth it

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>>388269957
Mega Man Legends

>>388271914
Reminder that Nuts & Bolts wasn't that bad.

>>388274159

>It's not Konami's fault that the market shifted
What shift?

>and the last iterations of these games never sold well.
Mysterious Ninja sold just as well over its whole run. It just didn't sell MGS numbers like Konami expected each game to sell.

They never made a Zone of the Enders 3 despite Zone of the Enders 2 being so popular. They just quickly crapped out two tactical games, which literally no ZOE fan wanted.

Suikoden and Castlevania games started selling less and less because the previous games were getting worse and worse. This is directly related to Konami's management. Which they chased off the original good developers for both series, leaving secondary teams and outsourced teams to make new games.

I can't believe there's actually a Konami apologist on /v/.

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>>388274815
It's not that bad but it's not Banjo-Threeie.
And no, Yooka-Laylee doesn't count.

Farcry
Bioshock
Fallout
Metal Gear Solid
Starfox

>>388269957
I blame TTYD for going full DUDE PAPER LMAO instead of being a story book like PM64.

>>388274908
I'm just shitposting bro.
Fuck them. They destroyed my favourite franchise and made pachinko out of it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ht4dbyPIcM

>>388273827
>>388271883
So brave.

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>>388275772
I might be forgetting some things but I don't really feel like TTYD went full DUDE PAPER LMAO, it did a little more than 64 for sure but it felt it still felt relatively close to PM64 for the most part. For example things like the Curses were just that, curses, in-universe they saw it as a strange unnatural thing since they're meant to not actually be paper (for example this image, sure Mario is paper but the Toads in this are implied not to be since they show disappointment it's only a piece of paper that's there instead of help). Also the game begins with a story book about the Thousand-Year Door & ends by showing it was Mario telling Luigi his past adventure like a story like PM64 did.

On the flip-side there were also other tiny paper-esque details 64 basically did like spinning down pipes (TTYD expands with a little paper transition but it's nothing much) and Mario floats down like a piece of paper when falling from the destroyed balcony in Goomba Village or in Koopa Bros. Fortress. Also one could say the intro in 64 where Kammy is literally taped into the story is paper-esque but that also applies to the story book thing as well.

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>>388269957
:(

Pokémon

Life

>>388269957
If nintendo didn't do what they did the fan base would've become as bad as sonic's. The old games went a bit too heavy on the OCs and that shit was getting into deviant art tier in TTYD. Nintendo spared us from having to deal with more autist.

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>>388278198
They could've just dialed it back on the OCs, Sticker Star & Color Splash got the original Character Designer/Art Director back so they could've had him do some good designs since he did a good job on PM64 (he had no affiliation with TTYD & Super). Regardless though, SS/CS could've still had better gameplay & they could've used the already-established Mario universe way better, they rely way too heavily on Toads and in CS's case Shy Guys. Even Paper Jam uses the universe better with it's enemy variety & to lesser extent NPC variety.

>>388278878
>already-established Mario universe

That's what'd I prefer,the Mario universe already has tons of unique things living in it so there's no real need for OCs. That being said I don't mind if they introduce new characters as long as they're not just deviant art shit like a koopa with shades

>>388271883
Wow.
You're not seriously hating on Metal Gear Solid?
Final Fantasy has some amazing games (especially when they released) like 4, 7, 10, and 12.
12 gets hate but the remaster fixed all the issues. It had and amazing story and Vaan is the only real negative.

I just picked up Paper Jam again last night in like over a year, it's actually really charming, the dialogue is there, gameplay is lacking

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Dug from the grave just to be raped and then buried again, deader than ever before.

>>388278878
>Even Paper Jam uses the universe better

this bothered me a lot

>>388280742
You find the gameplay lacking? I felt it was one of it's stronger points. I really like what Paper Mario adds to it, the additions of the card buffs & I feel the dodging mechanic was more difficult, that being said I do feel the animations for the stronger attacks drag though. The dialogue is nice I agree with but the world is too dull so it kind of sucks out some charm for me.

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Even though I like playing Halo5 multiplayer, I miss the bungie looking Halo

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>>388274993
Wat dis pic mean. Old Nintendo power promo?

>>388281115
how about photoshop dum-dum

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>>388281101
We all do anon. We all do.

>>388272539
Assault was decent. It's not their fault that everyone seems to hate rail shooters for some raisin.

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>years of shit, half-assed games by developers who had no idea what they were doing
>P.T. comes out and is a step in the right direction
>Ito, Kojima and Del Toro attached
>gets cancelled despite being a huge success

Being a Silent Hill fan is suffering.

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>add new features with no regard for what it will do to the established mechanics
>don't bother to upgrade the graphics despite the last 2 coming out on superior hardware
>cancel series in favor of waifu shit

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>>388269957
im sorry everyone, but now i must hit your feels..

>>388282465
honorable mentions
>Cool Boarders
>Driver
>Soul Reaver
>Syphon Filter
>Croc
>Dino Crisis
>Tony Hawk's Pro Skater(raped to death)
>Parasite Eve
>Destruction derby
>Med-evil

the list can go on and on.

>>388283229

>Cool Boarders
Also gotta mention how 1080 Snowboarding turned to total shit with its second game.

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Half of this List

>>388283229
>ape escape
>Gecko
>Jak & Daxter
>Tomba
>Time spitters
>Maximo

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Deus Ex, Silent Hill and MGS being killed again by corporate incompetence.
TF2 and Half-Life got dicked by Valve

Everything dies or goes to shit.

>>388283765
well mario is doin well even with that xcom for children game comin out

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>>388269957
Perfect thread to bring this up in. I recently got this game, I'm a big fan of TTYD. I'm in the desert section, and I have to say the music is MUCH worse than the sequels. The battle music is okay, but every location has short, repetive music that is bland as hell other than Star Heaven. Not to mention it locks all the depth out of the battle system for the first hour of play (timing your attacks for extra damage). The characters have much less personality so far, especially the partners. Comparing Goombella's snark to Goombario's blandness is like day and night. And the locations are mostly retreads of SMRPG so far. Does it get any better? How can people claim PM64 is so much better than TTYD when TTYD has better music, a better battle system, more personality in it's characters and unique locations not seen in other Mario games?

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Starfy has good character development and stories. And this series will have a special place in my heart.

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>>388269957

>>388283891
Where have you seen 64 being praised more than TTYD?

>>388284283
Paper Mario threads, which have been far less frequent due to the state of the series.
>>388284204
With it's spiritual successors, PM and M&L I'd say it has a great legacy. Though PM is a shell of it's former self and M&L is getting stale and by the book formulaic. And I know it's not exactly the same, but there's enough good Mario RPGs to go around.

Pokémon
SimCity
Fire Emblem

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>>388283891
The main thing people hate TTYD over PM64 is the back-tracking, which is really bad at some points. TTYD still has improved most other things. PM64 simple charm is one of its biggest selling points

>>388283891
The problem with TTYD isn't that it isn't original, it is that many of the chapters are extremely bland and run out of original direction.

Chapter 2 of TTYD is a really big example of this, where a third of the way through it derails into some sort of retarded escort mission.
Chapter 8 in the same game is the worst in this manner, where most of the chapter involves just running around previously explored areas to progress.

The original managed to keep each Chapter original from the other and seemed to carry the charm without getting repetitive in any way.

That being said, whoever told you the music/characters in the original is better than TTYD is retarded. Also the best levels in TTYD>PM64, its just that the latter is just more consistent throughout.

>>388284671
>Pokemon
Oh, fuck you. Sure the newer games are depthless slogs with boring stories and all the characters are moeblobs, but Pokemon has MORE than enough good games to go around. FireRed, Emerald, HeartGold, Platinum, Black and Black 2 are all fantastic, definitive Pokemon games that you can always go back to and enjoy if you want to scratch that itch
>Fire Emblem
When will this meme die? The characters are blander, and Fate's story is utter tripe, but barring Revelations, Fate's gameplay is among the best the series has ever had, if not THE best. And Fire Emblem is not a series known for it's riveting storylines to begin with.

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>>388269957

>>388285115

>Sure the newer games are depthless slogs with boring stories and all the characters are moeblobs
So were the old games. Pokemon has literally stayed the same with a few new mini games and skilled tacked on each gen.

>>388285189
Katamari Forever was good, shame that Vita game was so shit.

But holy fuck that mobile game is hot garbage and the worst way to go.

>>388284774
The backtracking to get the Parakoopa partner was annoying in 64, and it pissed me off that he doesn't even tell you he needs 3 letters, causing me to come back for nothing and make 3 trips through that place... Granted, that all the backtracking I've had to do so far. The part in TTYD where you have to find that bomb-omb guy for the cannon was bullshit and I won't defend it.

Mario and Luigi series deserved better. Too many games to the point that each new edition is shovelware. It's just the inflation.

>>388285202
Gen 2 - 4 Pokemon was actually not that for the most part. There was actually a moment during Gen 4 when it seemed like Pokemon might be heading for a more competitive legacy, just didn't last.

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Reminder that PM64 Pro Mode is a thing and is worth a play-through if you been meaning to do another one.

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>>388283891
I prefer PM64 due to it's art style, "comfy" atmosphere/settings, the backtracking is hell of a lot less of a thing (Chapter 6 is the most you'll get something like that) and the badge system while has less variety isn't as abuseable as TTYD is since you can't just buy a shitload of Power Rushes. When it comes to unique locations I feel the latter half of Chapter 3, all of Chapter 4, technically Chapter 6 (but I don't care much for that chapter) and the "dungeon" of Chapter 7 do a better job on it although it's not on-tier with TTYD. I disagree on the music by the way, I feel all the PM OSTs are good but I wouldn't be able to strictly say TTYD or Super are better, they're about on-tier but with different styles going on. You're right about the better gameplay & personality in characters though, no idea who would tell you otherwise.

All of that being said while I prefer 64 I find 64 & TTYD to be about on the same level but they both have their different shares of positives & negatives that can make it easy to see why one may prefer one over the other.

>>388285279
I don't even think Beautiful Katamari was that bad, aside from the DLC, but I can't believe they fucked up Touch My Katamari so fucking badly. They couldn't even put in the item catalog where the King of Cosmos said stupid shit about all the items you can roll up. Even the PSP game had that shit.

>>388284283
Not him but I actually personally prefer PM64 over TTYD even though they're both great. I'd say these anons summed it up pretty well
>>388284774
>>388285080
PM64's quality is consistent throughout the game with maybe only 1 chapter where it takes a slight dip, and it also has a certain charm to it that I feel was somewhat lost in TTYD, though that might just be the nostalgiafag in me talking.
Despite all this TTYD still does a lot of things better than 64, like a better story with a much better final boss, more content and the high points of the game are probably better than anything the original had to offer.

>>388285202
Compared to RPGs like SMT, you're right. Pokemon and even Paper Mario were always very simple, easy RPGs. But, they both had a fun battle system and tons of charm. Thing is, Pokemon hasn't added anything of worth to it's battle system other than gimmicks like Z-Moves and Digievolution as of late. And the old artstyle wasn't even close to moeblob. Not to mention every 3DS is an unoptimized piece of shit that can't keep it's framerate despite the system being more than powerful enough to handle it, as seen with games like Kid Icarus Uprisng and Smash. Also, the games have much less content than Gens 3, 4 and 5 had. It's pure laziness and incompetence on Gamefreak's side.

>>388285529

Emerald is my favorite game. But even back then, the game was just the exact same system as Gen 2 with new skills and Pokemon tacked on. And a new world to explore. The biggest change they ever made was the physical/special split. Which was a band-aid on a much larger problem present since gen 1. And now all the way in gen 7, we still have the same fucking problem. And the game has been stuck using the same system since gen 4.

>>388285442
He tells you to find two other letters after you find the first and bring it to him I think. Not too bad

>>388285450
PiT shouldn't ahve existed. Debate on Paper Jam since it proved you can make a Mario RPG using Mario stuff and actually be good.

We seriously didn't need the remake though. Nintendo are just whoring out the series while raping Paper Mario at the same time.

>>388285919
To be fair gen 3 introduced pokemon abilites which was definitely a game changer and a very welcome addition. I'd say at least the first 4 gens made meaningful additions to the battle system, even if some were probably more meaningful than others. Gen 5 was where the battle system and really the franchise as a whole started to feel stale to me.

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>>388269957
I don't even go on this board but for the occasional time I have to post this. Timesplitters was the best shooter consoles have ever seen.

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>>388281101
Playing Halo 3 with friends after school
>gaming will never be that fun again

>>388274797
The answer will never not be this.

Silent Hills got P.T.
Metroid is getting its games

MML had a demo ready to go and it didn't even get that. Fuck Capcom.

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>>388273073
Ever played the Gargoyle games, anon? Gargoyle's Quest is a nice title for a Game Boy game, Gargoyle's Quest 2 is pretty rad and Demon's Crest is fanfuckingtastic (aside from some graphics induced lag sometimes). Then it seems Capcom decided to end the franchise on a high note and make no more. Imagine that.

>>388274908
How were the ZoE tactical games? Fist of Mars has been on my backlog since it fucking came out

>>388286215
>Tells you to find a letter
>Find letter, back track
>Lol now find to more
>Okay, why not ask for 3 in the first place
>Find 2 more, backtrack
>He joins your party, go through area a third time
If I finding letter was going to be a goal throughout the game, why not have him join you after the first letter? Would have saved 30 minutes of going through the same shit and fighting the same two enemies over and over again while getting next to no exp for it.