This is a reminder that the SAG-AFTRA video game voice actor

>>388235753
daily reminder that vidya was better before it was voiced

fuck VAs

only 4.5 million? boo hoo.

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Voice actors can fuck off. I will gladly take gameplay over any voice work whatsoever. Pick random hobos off the street and have them voice lines for all I care. Just give me a fun video game and stop trying to make video games shitty movies.

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>do 0.03% of the work
>expect more than 0.03% of the pay

>>388235753
I'd like to see how much the modelers, animators, programmers, etc etc received though.

>>388235753
Only? What about the other 99.97% of the working force that works on those games?

>speaking is tough

>>388235753
seems reasonable actually

>I'm buying the next Call of Duty because of its voice actors

Has anyone ever said this?

>>388235753
I wish something like this happened to more job industries that are almost completely filled with hacks.

>>388236092
Well you just did, anon

>voice actors go on strike
>They start making games that don't require voice acting
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiB_wSzDFIk

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>morons want to negotiate their compensation after they've already been paid

Maybe they should have negotiated better contracts.

Or maybe their work just isn't worth that much.

>The Call of Duty franchise has generated $15 billion to date
>The performers received only 0.03%

Wow. Imagine how much more money COD would have made if they paid their performers more.

>>388236209
>games will get better because they dont have to waste money on VAs
like pottery

>>388236217
This is them negotiating.

They just aren't worth what they think. The union is fighting on the principle of getting residuals to put it on par with TV and film.

Obviously publishers are never going to bite on that, because games are fundamentally different to TV and film

And a relatively small amount of SAG-AFTRA members make money from video game acting, so the union can sell those people out for that principle even as it fucks them over

>>388236209
>Planet of the Apes Gameplay
>Its entirely a cutscene

What did they mean by this?

I've not really missed them honestly. Were it not for the threads I'd likely have forgotten about them.

I don't even think CoD1 had cutscenes

>304th day

Has it had any effects?
Games still seem to be coming out all the time, and if anything, voice actor quality has been improving lately.

Hell, Divinity OS 2 just announced today that they have full voice acting now. Doesn't seem anyone is having trouble finding actors.

Most game voice actors are shit failed actors. Their voice acting can actively bring down the entire game. I hope they never get their raises or whatever they're crying about.

>>388235753
have they accomplished anything? hopefully not

While I understand their plea, this whole thing is just going to drag on and on. It pisses me off, since as a result, all the voice acting in MvC:I is complete trash tier even though they found the perfect VAs for MvC3.

And we get new talent willing to work for less, free market capitalism at it's best.

>>388237143
Companies actually agreed to everything except royalties.

>>388237143
>>388237480
And they're never going to get royalties.

Which is why this is dragging the fuck on

Doesn't Activision usually get big-name actors for one role in Call of Duty? Compare that to the same five anime VAs everyone else uses.

Kojima got his wish to get a "real" actor to voice Big Boss, and he barely fucking talks since he charges a premium per spoken word. Same with TES: Oblivion where Patrick Stewart narrates some lines in the intro and promptly fucks off.

>>388238197
Remember the little fella from Destiny, didn't they patch him out?

>>388237348
I don't know why anyone takes VA as a legitimate career. Seems like more of a side gig for beer money than anything.

>>388235753
>>388237480
isn't not getting royalties written in their working contract?
I mean they got paid for what they did. extra money goes to permanent staff and company as usual, right?

Who buys games for the voice acting? I'd rather the programmers got royalties than fucking voice actors.

>>388238197
Oblivion is a bad example since Sean Bean was there for the entire ride.

>>388238418
>Who buys games for the voice acting?
weeaboos and otaku

>>388235868
*450 million

>>388235753
Voice acting every line in rpgs is a meme that needs to end

>>388238539
You need to finish elementary school math before posting.

>>388238764
.450000 trillion

>>388238281
I believe Dinklage was written out due to time and scheduling issues, rather than pay.

>>388238921
It wasn't because of pay, it was because he was terrible.

>>388235753
Now lets do a stat for how much the weapon concept artists/modellers/textures made as well and suddenly their amount is EVEN LESS combined (especially with the amount of it being sub-contracted)

>>388236092
To some extent there may be some truth to it. Cod has done a lot of celebrity stunt casting over the past couple years. Thats not to say it was the sold reason people bought the game, just that it was likely a factor that sparked interest in the game. Even then a voice only actor is unlikely to have even done that

>>388239591
Voice actors are not celebrities

Nobody looks for certain voice actors, they are looking for certain celebrities
Huge difference

There are talented people all over the world that would gladly do VA work for much less. We don't need pseudo celebrities appearing in every game and demanding they get a bigger cut simply because people recognise them. Put the funds toward something else, hell even give the artists, writers and code monkeys a fucking raise, because they are most definitely getting paid less for the more important work they do.

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>games like bioshock infinite, god of war, and the last of us won't be made
>no more games that only want to sell their story and characters instead of their gameplay

RICH EVANS WAS RIGHT

APOLOGIZE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ii9y97PlFwQ

and how much did the programmers receive?

or to turn to movies, how much did the cameramen receive? the post-editing guys? the advertisers?

actors are a big part, but they are by no means deserving a majority of the profit

But .03% of $15,000,000,000 is still $450,000,000. How is that not enough? Jesus, there haven't been that many fucking voices actors for the COD series, have there?

>>388235936
This. It's better to imagine what the voice will sound like rather than to have some paycheck grabbing literallly who do a sub par job. Nothing can top imagination anyway so it's a fool's errand from the start.

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>he doesn't believe his waifu's VA deserves compensation for her angelic voice
Fuck you.

>>388239758
>Nobody looks for certain voice actors

I would look for Tara Strong at cons. There are a dozen stories floating around of her banging fans who are half her age. I think I'm babyfaced enough to make her pedo ladyboner hard.

>>388241382
>Having waifu VAs in Sag-aftra
Get some taste

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>>388235753
>People that phoned in their lines deserve more money when no one gives a shit about them and the success of a game has a myriad of reasons for being successful, voice actors not being one of them.
wew

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>>388235753
>the performers ONLY RECEIVED 4.5 million

Yeah, let's cry for them shall we

>>388241382
She doesn't because your waifu a shit.

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>>388241382
>oh no, how will Ashley Burke find work?

VA's are fucking scum.

>>388235753
>We willingly signed a contract, and now that the product is a successful, we want to change the terms to get more moneys.

Kiddo, if you could change your lottery number after they've been chosen, there would be no lottery.

Wow, so you're saying people who write code and make art for the game are getting paid more than people who read lines off into a microphone? Oh wow...no way...

Fuck these guys. I'd do that shit for free just to be able to say I am the voi ce of a vidya character.

>>388235753
ITT autistic kids pretend that VA doesn't matter.

Lots of salty fedoras in this thread.

VOICE ACTORs give their FUCKING ALL for YOU!

>its super unhealthy
>has to be trained for 5 years +
>you need literally top grade to get accepted
>only the 1% of this elite even gets a job

Voice Actors are literally the best of the best and should get more money than most of the /v/irgins who are working at Walmart or at similar jobs.

>>388242226
Only in games that want to tell a story than gameplay. If you support garbage like telltale games then you are the problem.

>>388241608
and how many hundreds of performers? 4.5mil out of 15bil is wildly disproportionate no matter how you look at it, anon

>>388238510
But those are the same people who don't want to listen to the American voice acting.

>>388238539
>>388238835
>>388241128
How are people this bad at math?

>>388235753
And nothing of value has been lost.

>>388241445
Fuck off you lonely virgin mongoloid.

>>388242332
that's the contract they signed
sucks but that's just how it is

>>388242282
>Voice Actors are literally the best of the best

That's a riot. Any classically trained theater actor from the UK will put Troy Baker to shame.

>>388241445
But would you buy a game just for her voice?

Sounds like you're only interested in fucking and that doesn't happen in games

>>388242726
Souls games have already proven this to be true

>>388235753
>generated 15 billion
in what? revenue? if its revenue thats not profit at all

fuck off with this clickbait shit heres your (you)

>>388235753
What about the programmers? They're the ones that build the base of the game.

>>388242332
You don't pay a plumber 100k per toilet if you live in a 10 million dollar house.

You can't profit share with everyone who works on a product either.

>>388241185
This This
Every VA in vidya thinks they are superstar now
https://youtu.be/dYVzaG0B0qY

>>388242771
>But would you buy a game just for her voice?

I would pirate a game for her voice.

>>388235753
Lol

Who buys CoD for the voice acting?

>>388242332
do the math, 10-15 main roles that carry the plot per title, 13 titles released as of posting picrelated

>>388235753
and nothing of value was lost

>>388235753
>they almost spent an entire year screeching
>they're still waiting for someone to give a shit
really effective strike, keep it up

>>388242430
A billion dollars is 1,000 million in English speaking countries.

The reason VAs can;t get royalties is because unlike movies and TV, they keep making money because of TV broadcasts, video games however, stop making money after a while and developers need as much money as they can get since they don't get the huge Hollywood funding every time they make a game like movies do, the only real exception to this rule is EA, who can waste 40 million and a flop like Mass Effect Andromeda and it'll be as if they dropped a quarter

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>>388235753
Oh now, the union hacks are striking so now I might actually hear some variety in voice actors and new talent will come into the industry without the artificial barrier to entry.

How awful.

>>388242726
how have you read my mind

People buy games when they hear about the voice actors. When was the last time a programmer got you to buy a game?

>>388243858
It is awful in some cases.
Fire Emblem Warriors had to replace a bunch of voice actors, it's never nice to not get the regular voice for a character.

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>>388241128
It is more than enough. See how easily it is to push propaganda to normies? Just by showing the percentage number and not actual numbers it skews the narrative. That's not including the fact about the production team and everyone else on payroll along with the shareholders who invested heavily into the game and deserve their cut for funding the game in the first place. Especially since there's always a gamble that the game will flop. They have to risk a reward while voice actors get all the reward with no risk because they get paid either way.

>>388243991
>People buy games when they hear about the voice actors.

Who are these people?

>>388244056
Replacing voice actors has always been common in dubs though, union or not.

>>388236439
It's showing how people don't really understand the market at all, as usual.

A majority of games aren't voice acted or barely have any dialogue and get by without them. Gamers don't go out of their way to pick up a game because (fill-in-blank) voiced in the game.

Let's be real here, the voice actors involved are either scummy as all fuck or are tricked into believing that this is a necessity to help progress their people over. Big companies are who they target because they have the money. Big companies won't move because it would hold a precedence in future work for not just voice actors, but ALL their employees. Why pay the voice actors that much when others do more work than them? Maybe they start to think they should get paid more on par with voice actors as well.

Most likely we're about to see the union get completely wrecked with them having no way back into the gaming industry along with big companies either using non-union voices, in house actors, or none at all. This will trickle down to smaller devs and companies, meaning no more voice actors from the SAG-AFTRA fellas.

>>388242282
Think this through before you spout off nonsense. In any other place, television to radio, voices are very needed and they can argue for better pay. Video games? No, that's not a huge necessity for a majority of people.

>>388242332
These roles aren't like an all year job that's needed. People do their voices and then leave after less than a few hours of work, so long as there isn't any need to do retakes. They're moving all over the place and make good cash going from job to job. How would you feel about being paid a few thousand for a few hours work in voicing? Knowing you can move onto the next gig without too much problem?

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>>388243991
>People buy games when they hear about the voice actors

>>388244056
>Fire Emblem

Who cares?

>>388241959
>Jewish

>>388244056
You act as if Fire Emblem already had good voice acting, is Yuri part of the Union? God I hope so

>>388244271
Considering the only reason Fire Emblem Warriors even existed is to be a fanwank for fans of the series and its characters, I imagine everyone who buys the game.

>>388243837
The reason is because actors in TV and films are an actual selling point. In games they are not. Even with big names like Neeson in Fallout 3, there has never been an advert for a video game containing the words, "Starring This Guy and That Chick!"

Who cares?

>>388243804
and?

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Haha nigga what how you go on strike in an industry where you're not only entirely replaceable but there's literally an endless line of people waiting behind you eager to take your job?

You're not underwater cave welders with an extremely highly specialized skillset going on strike you're fucking people who play pretend into a microphone who can be replaced by the average /v/ocaroo faggot lel kill yourself faggot

>>388244250
Anon is stupid as fuck. What he SHOULD have said was - People buy games when they hear about voice actors that are really popular in other mediums that aren't related to games at all, like Game of Thrones as an example. It's a way to market their game to people.

NORMAL voice actors that aren't huge stars, whom are the majority of people in this industry, aren't selling shit to people. Television, Movie, Music bigwigs that voice act help to sell and, more importantly, MARKET their games.

>>388244392
But who cares about the voice acting? Fire Emblem's dubs have always been garbage.

>>388244392
Yeah but who cares about Fire Emblem fans? It' slike caring about the wellbeing of your tumour.

>>388242316
>what is bastion
>what is thomas was alone
>what is soulsboune games

>>388235753
Reminder that /ourguy/ Nolan North used his acceptance speech for an award to eternally BTFO every single entitled attention whore involved in this silly strike.

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>>388243512
mind you, VA don't have to sit through entire production process (unless they are directly involved into motion capture, of course, which most don't) - they are invited when the script is dead-set and ready and they just read the lines for 16-32 work hours total and go home with avg 20 grand paycheck (let's say out of those 4,5mil at least half-1 a mil went to Spacey for CODAW, they still get, at very least 10-15k for less than a week of their time)
Gary Oldman, one of the major roles with many lines, literally has finished his work in four days for COD WAW.
That's the same paycheck a programmer or art designer, if lucky, would get for entire fucking year of working on picrelated

>>388244608

this is like if chinese sweatworks slaves went into strike. there is like a mountain of people waiting outside to do your job.

>>388244518
shut the fuck up retard

>/v/ doesn't know how to do math
fucking pathetic

>>388244608
Who the fuck welds underwater caves?

>>388235753
The strike is still going?
What do they expect to accomplish at this point?

>>388244860
epic shitpost

>>388244816
wut gaem?
I assume it's one of the STALKERs

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>>388244438

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>trying to strike when you have literally absolute zero leverage

What exactly are they proposing to be the consequences of their continued striking? What are the adverse effects of their absence?

>>388244907
People paid by Death so its treasures aren't stolen.

>>388244907
Underwater cave welders.

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>>388245014
yeah, it's Clear Sky

>>388242282
Reminder that the only experience Cristina Vee had before becoming a professional voice actor and having roles in games such as Drakengard 3 or even doing the voice directing for Skullgirls was being a Youtube fandubber.

>>388244719
>Soulsborne
Uses real theatre actors who understand the industry and are happy with their pay, not random students with a blue yeti and a dream

>>388242282
>you need literally top grade to get accepted
>only the 1% of this elite even gets a job
Aren't this two caused by the VA union in the first place?

>>388241959
Anthony Burch? As in "be glad you're not Anthony Burch" Burch?

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>>388244438

>>388242282
I wish they would stop so the writers can give me their all instead without worrying about VA costs

>>388244816
This is what I've been saying to people for a while now, and something everyone always forget.

VOICE ACTORS DON'T STAY ON ONE PROJECT. They do around a full days work of voice acting, sometimes more or less depending on what they're doing, and move on with a nice paycheck from what anyone would kill to have. Sure, some voice actors stay for a good while if they're doing multiple voices, or it's a large project, but overall they do their voices and move on. They're paid quite well for what they do, and they even have opportunities to move into other mediums, something not many professions can claim.

Let's get to the crux here, the voice actors on strike aren't pushing for better wages. They want what they get in other mediums, fucking royalties. They want to be paid year after year for the games they voiced on.

>>388245345
yes
how is this still news to anyone?

>>388245030
Fine, Rob Schneider can have a pay rise

>>388235753
Good.

I'm sick and tired of hearing the same fucks voice every fucking character.

call of duty VAs quitting is the best thing ever cause it means they hire less big name retards, and more vets. Which is a good thing, cause they usually have the best fucking performances.

>>388245345
Guess why she was voicing a character in Bordelands 2

>>388235753
If we get more dubs like Fire Emblem E hoes and Xsnoblade 2 I'm all for the strike continuing.

Give the new blood a chance to shine instead of having the same recycled laura baileys and nolan norths.

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>>388235753
Good, let them keep screeching. Just makes it easier for new blood to break into the industry.

>>388245367
None of those are adverts

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>want the pay of Japanese Seiyuus without any of the effort or work
This is one of the few times I'll gladly with corporations

People like Nakamura are literal TV hosts in Japan, what the fuck equivalent do we even have here? The absolute closest I can think of is Mark Hamil purely on fame basis.

>>388238539
>>388238835
>>388241128
>>388243804
go back to school

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>>388243991
ahem

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>>388235753
And nothing has changed, games still get made even with those fuckers on strike.

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>>388244438
>there has never been an advert for a video game containing the words, "Starring This Guy and That Chick!"

>VAs say the strike is about their safety and not greed
>publishers offer them everything they demanded except the money
>They refuse to accept

Really gets the noggin joggin

>>388245479
>call of duty VAs quitting is the best thing ever cause it means they hire less big name retards

I don't think Hollywood megastars are on the same payroll as vidya VAs.

>>388245408
>They want to be paid year after year for the games they voiced on.
And so do the programmers and artists deserve the same, and their work is objectively worth more to the experience. Why don't they get a chance for it?
I'd rather let them unionize first, however long that takes, so they can get a piece of the pie for all their hard work. Then we'll worry about compensating voice actors' supposedly >0.03% contributions to their projects.

How much of that money did the programmers get?

>>388245720
>>>"video game"

>>388245710
>And nothing has changed
Actially, I actually thing voices have improved

>>388245779
no it means they hire less of those big vidya VAs. I don't care about the stars like kevin spacey or whatever, that's just a marketing gimmick. But hearing the same 3 voices for every soldier in the game gets so old. The vets playing your teammates is the BEST shit.

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>>388235753
>le performers meme
Fucking bullshit. Programmers, animators and modellers do the actual hard work. """Performers""" are just talented assholes who talk into a mic for half an hour and get paid for it, and get far more recognition than any other dev team member.

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>>388245257
>moving goalposts
anon said that VA only matters in "garbage like telltale games". So in all those cases games would be the same without VA.


>>388245604
>promotional material for the game
>not advert
ok.

>>388245720
That's a movie

>>388245408
i mean, well done them for trying to secure the future, but, as someone has already mentioned in this thread - most of them have zero leverage to actually influence the publishers decision (because publisher follows the money and, unless the audience is pissed and stop buying their content - which they won't cuz most gamers don't know or care about who's behind the voice of some random NPC in game they bought with intents to play it, not enjoy the very replaceable voicework - they won't change a thing and just hire someone else for acting)

It's hard for me to think of a job where people would be easier to replace.

>>388245894
>Cali voice actors go on strike
>they just get Texas anime VAs to do game dubs
>we get performances like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sj45eZ_GgoQ#t=1948

Califags eternally BTFO

>>388246129
Tesco customer assistants.

>>388246081
Articles made by third party 'news' sites posting anything for hits is not a fucking advert you aspie

Is that bullshit western only?

What about Western voice actor that work for japnese company like Martinet?

>>388245780
Do you realize how terrible of an idea that is though? Paying royalties to every single individual that worked on something? No one would make games if that was the norm, there'd be nothing to make if that were the case. I can't even begin to imagine how something like this would work.

I'm not saying they shouldn't get something out of this, they do a lot of work and are more important than some silly voice actors. I'd say they need to be paid better and treated more humanely, such as not being booted from the company the moment the game is made to save costs as example. But royalties? Not sure I agree with that.

>>388240050
>There are talented people all over the world that would gladly do VA work for much less
If you're using this argument with VAs, why don't you use it with developers themselves? There are people that literally make entire games for free. Developers and artists and such have famously gotten paid peanuts because working in the video game industry is seen as some sort of privilege. I guess developers, coders, artists, designers and writers don't deserve money because there are dozens of people out there that would do it for free?

Why should VAs get screwed over because those other guys are too pussy to fight back? How come there's no Video Game Coder union or VGAnimator union?

>>388246337
it's solely for the Screen Actor's Guild union members, nobody else

>>388246337
no, martinet isn't part of this dumbass union, he has such a sweet gig and decent contract because he is the voice of mario, and no one can even pretend they're him. Only a very very very tiny select group of people are even part of the union "striking" and half of them are still doing work. The people working on the uncharted games still did lost legacy, the new call of duty has pretty much the same voice actors as always... This strike is pretty much something they said they're doing, and that's it.

>>388246526
So mostly western shitters. Good to hear. Mario without Martinet would hardly be the same

>>388246275
But that's a shitty job so it'd be harder to get someone to fill the position.

>>388246317
I posted literal advert in post you're replying to, aspie. But continue backpedalling, it's really amusing to watch.

>>388246635
>So mostly western shitters
Not even western, just California babbies.

>>388235753
They get paid for their performance, not the game's performance. It's in their contract, usually they get paid by line. I hate that they use CoD because it makes me feel like I'm defending Activision when these greedy shits are just trying to snake more money than they contractually agreed to.

>>388246743
>California

How can such a beautiful and bountiful land produce such dregs and degenerates

>>388246412
he didn't take into account the historical presedence of why actors are actually given those royalties. Because those types of actors (or singers) are superstars and they are the ones who bring down the public to see the show.
Any businessman would consider paying royalties to a popular person, because that way they will secure their profits as well.

But for some reason some chucklefucks who deemed themselves to be in the same league of importance blindly believe that they are as important, but they are not - there is not a single documented fact that any voice actor would be a reason to drive the sales of a videogame. Which is exactly why publishers wouldn't give in to the strikers' demands

why are videogame voice actors so arrogant?

>>388237143
The most noteworthy thing is probably Capcom deciding to not use union actors for their games, this had zero negative effect on games like RE7, where the performances are actually much better than usual and there isn't a single recognisable name in the credits.

>>388246081
To be fair to hyperboleanon, I only bought and played Witcher 3 because it was by CD Projekt Red. The only press material I even heard of involved the bullshots and controversy about downgrades on the PC version to pander to consoles. It turns out the detractors were correct, it was downgraded quite terribly.
It turns out that the games advertising celebrity names don't have anything to offer but those very names. It will sell to normalfags and fully justify the cost thereby, but it will be a shitty, forgettable experience akin to everything else on television.

>>388246520
>How come there's no Video Game Coder union or VGAnimator union?

Because that would require a MASSIVE chunk of people from all the big companies to push this forward at the same time. EA, Ubisoft, Activision, Bethesda, etc. They ALL have to push for a strike at the same time to help get this going so others will join with them. Can you imagine that ever happening? Companies like EA treat them like shit and would likely hire new people even if it means a lower quality product, and companies like Bethesda have employees too loyal to ever think about making their lives better with a union.

>>388244719
I honestly don't even remember the soulsborne games had voice acting outside of the opening cutscene and some grunts every now and again.

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Who gives a fuckl about voice actors? Get a real job faggots

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Chris Rock saying how easy it is to be a voice actor

https://youtu.be/Lf12KmPfdpo

>>388242226
They dont.
Video games are not movies.

JUST FIRE ALL THESE DEGENERATES AND REPLACE THEM ALL WITH JAMES WOODS

THERE

PROBLEM SOLVED

Just means the video game industry can hire non-union VA's to work jobs. Nothing of value is lost in a world where everyone wants to make money.

>>388247214
I thought he was dead.

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Call me when you're a real actor like the guy who played KANE
If it were up to me programmers and artists would split half the profit, and va's would have no jobs.

>>388246520
there was talks in the past of such unions, only for EA to threaten them into submission
which, you might say, is illegal. yes, but where are those unions?

>>388247030
>>388247156

You two should participate is Olympics. Those mental gymnastics are pretty impressive.

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>>388247214
what a based afro-american

>>388247339
Wrong Eric Roberts will do it for a dollar.

>Call of Duty made most of that money due to anything but voice acting

Seriously. The microtransactions, the constant outpour of games, the multiplayer, the business sense of appealing to the masses and knowing how to. Most people who contributed more to CoD's success - like the damn modelers and programmers and composers - aren't even making 1% of that money. Jesus ass, how much of the 15 billion dollar slice do these VAs want?

>>388247304
>RTS games would only improve if units were silent
>Action games would only improve if enemies were silent
>Fighting games would only improve in every character was silent

>>388247728
I just want more Hades anon.

>>388247889
Wait, I got an idea. VA microtransactions. You get the base game with whatever cheap VA the studio hires, but if a player wants some high quality SAG voice actor they shell out extra money for their voice package and the VA gets paid based directly on the sales of that specific item, so they can't argue that their pay is unfair based on any other sales numbers.

>>388247001
Localizers are also super arrogant for no reason too

>>388248089
>Fighting games would only improve in every character was silent
I wish the characters in Skullgirls would just shut up.

>>388248089
>implying you cant just have some royalty free grunts replace everything or even better beeps and boops like in old 16bit rpgs and end up with pretty much the same product

Now the sound design guys, those are super important to games, not voice actors.

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>anyone in the arts going on strike
>literally the area in which there is the biggest amount of people wanting to snatch up their jobs

>>388235861
Nah, the best video games come from the era of voice acting. Like early to mid 2000s, unless you're looking at specific genres to skew the results. Such as for example platformers or strategy games which don't need voice acting at all.

The voice performance in video games is phoned in most of the time though, and you really don't need a professional tryhard voice actor to do the job. Give a microphone to a random dev and you'll get your voice acting.

>>388249553
Give a microphone to a random dev and you'll get your voice acting.

Yeah actually. Chris Seavor voiced almost 100% of Conker's Bad Fur Day.

>>388249868
Wasn't that the standar in the 90s?

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>"Here's how much we'll pay you if you want to work for us"
>"Okay sounds good"
>Years later
>"No wait, I meant the opposite"

>>388250058
Pretty much. Aside from SHODAN all the voice acting in System Shock 2 was also developers, and there are some decent performances there too.

>>388250282
Have you... Have you never asked for a raise in your life?

>>388250058
At Rare at least. It was most impressive though because Conker was actually one of the first fully voice acted games not just character sound effects.

>>388235753
>Here's a job, you'll be paid this much
>Okay
That's the end of it. They shouldn't be bitching.

McDonalds is too successful for anyones good, employees aren't going to beg for millions of dollars just because its so successful.

>>388236879
DoW3's voice acting was really really shitty, I can only assume that the VAs from DoW2 were on strike

>>388250058
Thats how I would do it. I don't see a point in bringing in so many people and wasting all that money, it doesn't take more than a bit of talent.

>>388250404
Raises are not retroactive dipshit

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>>388235753
It's wonderful how this has had absolutely zero effect on anything. I even forgot they are striking.

Based Nolan North even took a giant dump on these morons. Fuck them, I hope they get shit.

Pic related.

>>388235753
Voice actors are great and all but I don't understand why they think they deserve such a substantial raise. Very few games make or break on VAs alone and if localization is any indication, the average person doesn't care about shit voice actors. It's not like anyone else on the team is getting a portion of sales even though they poured thousands of hours into developing the thing.

>>388249868
Yeah. Clearly this is better
https://youtu.be/wijrestbx2U?t=35m41s

Than this

https://youtu.be/cs7x833K6t8

>>388250404
In Sainsburys'?

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I'm not really on the VA's side but
>voice acting doesn't require talent, anyone can do it, it can't carry a character
is some serious bullshit.

>>388251134
Could you quote someone saying this in this thread?

>>388250404
If you ask for a raise and don't get it then there are two options: continue working for the company for the same pay or quit and look for another job to earn more. If a VA is not happy with their pay that a company gives, then they should simply stop working for them and go to another company that's willing to pay them more. Don't forget, a raise has to be earned before you can discuss it with your boss.

>>388251134
Yes, in fact, anyone can do it.

Everything else you added to that statement in order to make it invalid through appending your own fantasies. ANYONE can do voice acting.

>>388235753
These retards think they deserve the same pay as programmer they can go fuck themselves.

>>388251305
You're forgetting the third option available at least in America. If you and everyone you work with believe you should get raises, you can form a union and go on strike.

>>388250936
They absolutely can be. I was promoted halfway through the fiscal quarter and got backpay as if I was promoted at the beginning of the quarter.

>>388235753
Reminder that the more butthurt and out of work wil wheaton gets, the better it is for everyone.
#programmersmatter

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>>388251036
>that second link
what the literal fuck did i just see?

>>388249868
Do that and you end up with Sakura Wars.

>>388235753
Nobody gives a fuck about them.

If they don't want to do their job, someone else will do it for them.
They're repleacable.

Fucking unionist commie scum.

>>388251224
Sure, here.

>>388236023
>>388246059
>>388249868


>>388252380
Motion capture.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNheeIZuiR8

>>388252792
But none of those say the thing you said.

>>388252792
>Motion capture.
thanks, Sherlock... I'm trying to deduce, was the actress actually having a tantrum or is that a scene from the game?
If the latter one - color me impressed, that felt like a geniune collective shit fit

SMT4:Apocolypse is the only game that caused me to notice and that's because a waifu bait character went from Laura Baily to old lady.

>>388253130
oh thank fuck - that was from the game.

>>388251660
What about mute people?

>>388238197

Actually rumor was that Kief was cheaper then Hayter, Kief got half a million for everything including press tours where as Hayter got a million for MGS4 and his union contract demands more money everytime he reprised his role of "Snake"

>>388253703
Obvious exception that isn't worth mentioning, because it's self evident from the fact that you need to speak to voice act.

Although depends on the nature of the issue too, I think some mute people can do various noises. Could voice act for Yooka Laylee.

>>388246635

Nintendo could just recycle all their Mario clips until the end of time if Martinet wasn't playing ball. That's what they'll do when he dies anyway.

>>388254179
It is worth mentioning, to counter your absurd argument: DUDE LMAO IF YOU CAN TALK YOU CAN VOICE ACT
No fucking shit. I can do electrical engineering, too; I have opposable thumbs.
Doesn't mean I'd know what the hell I'm doing, or produce anything worthwhile.
You're being needlessly pedantic. Not everyone can do GOOD voice acting. Are you happy, now?

>>388248089
>>RTS games would only improve if units were silent
>Implying the quotes when you annoy them aren't the best.

>>388235753
Reminder that the only reason the strike is still on is that these greedy fucks think they deserve residuals, when the only people who deserve residuals are devs who actually do work.

>>388254543
I think he brought up those three as examples when voices are important (he was only right for RTS imo, you only need grunts for the other two)

>>388254429
Not knowing what you're doing in voice acting does not come with the risk of death, it only comes with the potential of an inferiour product and that inferiority is going to be down to subjective perception. Good is completely subjective. A lot of games use big name voice actors, oblivion for example, yet the only thing I remember of Oblivion voice acting is the same guy talking to himself on the street. Did those big name voice actors make it good? No.

Perhaps you should look into a mirror before you call someone elses arguments absurd.

>>388250404
They arent asking for a raise, they made a bunch of demands that vary from okay to absolutely retarded like royalties.

>>388242332
kill yourself commie

>304th day
>haven't even noticed any difference

This backfired. They'll probably be making less by the end of this.

>>388255063
Didn't they pretty much said yes to their demands except the royalties, but that wasn't enough?

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>Ashly Burch goes on strike
>refuses to voice Chloe in the LiS prequel
>they get someone else to do it
>game sells just as well as if it was her
>voice actors get BTFO again

I can't wait for the game to come out, just because I know it'll hurt her when the sales numbers come out.

>>388235753
I somehow forget that this faggotry was going on

>>388254719
>you only need grunts for the other two
Oh yeah?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V41khFDquag
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HdalmSmSRk


>>388255702
Fans of the game are pretty upset that she won't be voicing Chloe.

>>388253347
Which character? SMT dubs go in one ear and out the other for me, and played p5 in Japanese

>>388255395
The strike hasnt ended so no apparently their dealbreaker was the one point nobody would possibly grant.

>>388246946

Yeah maybe in a motion picture, not once have I ever played a game because 'TROY BAKER STARS AS GUY WITH ANGST'

>>388256053
If anything that Tekken video convinced me even more that we can do without VAs,

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I could literally trawl vocaroo threads and find people who could comprise a voice cast for a major release. These people are delusional. They're striking in an industry that millions of people are competent enough to be in but aren't in because of lack of opportunities. Acting, writing, music, artistry, are all skills that people can hone on their own, at home, for free. You don't need training in any of them to be the best or even competent, and so there's millions of each out there waiting in the wings to fill in for the ones who think they're irreplaceable.

Maybe if you're in a highly intensive specialized field that requires years of training and field experience you could go on strike, but this like basically even more laughable than shit like bus drivers going on strike. Astronauts can go on strike because the skills needed to be an astronaut can't be developed through singular practice. Same with tradesmen, or doctors. If you're an artist, you literally cannot go on strike.

>>388238363
people get regular v.o. for commercial can do 100k+ a year, I did a 15 seconds spot that took an hour to record and made a 100 bucks,

>>388257867
If it's so fucking easy why does amateur VA sounds like shit? If music is so easy, why don't every fucking game has godlike OST? If writing is so easy, why most of the fanfiction is unreadable? If anyone can act, why amateur movies on youtube are a cringefest? If drawing is so piss fucking easy, why deviant art is full of horrible art?

>even more laughable than shit like bus drivers going on strike.
>google bus driver strike
>Brisbane bracing for bus driver strike
>About 100,000 commuters could be affected
>laughable
>About 100,000 commuters could be affected
>laughable
>About 100,000 commuters could be affected
>laughable
>laughable
>laughable

>>388257867
>even more laughable than shit like bus drivers going on strike
Busdrivers at least have something to actually complain about, and have the rare skill of being able to put up with people's shit

The voice actor strike is summed up as "abloobloo a million isn't enough for saying lines I want a billion my life is so hard"

>>388235753
Fuck the union VAs.
Get us some new talent instead of the same group of people phoning it in, I don't care if they are amateurs, it adds charm as long as it isn't terrible.

>>388259328
You didn't actually read a word of the post eh?

>>388259328
80-90% of voice work is equipment. It's a triangle. Equipment + Talent + Production
If any of them are shit you end up with shitty voicework. But you can compensate for mistakes/low quality with the the other corners. High quality equipment means no hissing or whitenoise, clear sound. Higher quality production means the sound makes sense and feels real. You can record someone with very minimal talent on good equipment and still make it into a decent product. See; Autotuning. (Not to say that shit sounds good music-wise)

>Life is strange 2 chloe's will have a different voice actor

well fuck you to unions

>>388251305
>s: continue working for the company for the same pay or quit and look for another job to earn more.
You can also form an union and use that as a leverage for negociations, which is exactly what they're doing, which is what they're doing

>>388259924
>You don't need training in any of them to be the best or even competent
Where are those homegrown talents? Why I don't hear them in indie releases? Why do I have to listen to piss like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjPt5uDyWd8

It's not like it takes "opportunities" to voice an indie game.

>>388260645
Nope. It's 90% talent. You can't fix talentless voice acting by throwing 1000$ equipment at it.

>>388261050
>companies that make billons in profit because of tax evasion, are too cheap to pay royalties
>fuck unions!
nice thinking anon.

>>388261372
>corrupt organizations that are nepotistic as fuck and milk the little guy for cash
>good

>>388261589
>Activision blizzard
>little guy
>Activision blizzard
>pure and good unlike those dirty unions
go on.

>>388261372
Unions are fucking shit. I've worked in a bunch of hospitals and the union ones are the worst. Bunch of lazy shits that threaten to go on strike if they don't get more money even though they barely do work.

>>388261372
>Where are those homegrown talents?

Literally all around you in every industry. You're arguing so completely off base now it's not even in the ballpark.

1. No one said it's easy so you're just strawmanning. What was said was that these are skills one can hone on their own, which is why there are millions with these skills.
2. The fact that you can find incompetent works proves my point. Even incompetent people can do these things. Incompetent people cannot get aboard the international space station and there are no amateur astronauts.
3. The fact that incompetent people can produce shit work does not negate the fact that competent people can produce competent work.

If you'd paid attention to the post you replied to, you'd see all of these things contained in it.

>>388247021
Too bad REVII doesn't feel like an RE game.

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>>388235861
>do you have a single fact to back that up.

>>388247214
All those people in comments acting like he doesn't know what hes talking about, Even though he clearly dabbled in voice-work in his career

>>388244765
Sauce?

>>388250367
Terri was a developer too

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>>388246215

Echoes is probably the BEST dub a Nintendo game has. And it's from the Fire Emblem series of all series that has gone through a dark era with just its previous 3DS installments.

God bless this strike.

>>388251134
It really doesn't, the only real talent from voice acting comes from the directing, with great voice direction you could make Chaos Wars sound good

>>388243991

>People buy games for VAs

They do? I literally never give a fuck who voices what or where. I know that surely some turbo autists do, but it doesn't seem like a strong selling point.

And I absolutely would buy games with certain programmers because they actually influence the gameplay instead of just being the shiny shit sprinkles on top like aVA

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>>388253705
Not rumor, its real. Kiefer's contract before he changed agencies (which was during the time of MGSV development), was 500,000 including the actor's promotion of the thing he was voice acting in, royalties optional (probably didnt put it in)

Hayter's SAG-AFTRA contract requires him to be paid double the amount every time he reprises a role in any work he has done. By his own admission, He was paid 4 Million USD for MGS4, which means he needs to be paid 8 Million for MGSV.

>>388235753

Why do they think that they have the same bargaining power as people who star in movies? People buy movies for the actors. People buy games for the gameplay. A movie with bad acting is a bad movie. Some absolute god-tier games have abysmal or no acting. The actors are not all that important.

Of course the industry is going to tell the union actors who want to be millionaires instead of just middle class to fuck off. They're getting a decent paycheck for what they contribute.

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>>388261372
LOL.

EVEN INDIE SHIT GAMES DON'T WANT TO DEAL WITH UNION SHIT AND THEIR ROYALTIES DEMAND

LOLOLOL

Who likes all the new VAs showing up in games lately, because of this strike?

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>Gibs me free money after my work is done.

>>388266351
>THIS IS TROUBWE
>Lulu's va somehow regressing in the 15 years since FFX.

>>388266953
It doesn't take a genius to see that'd inevitably price you out of the role.