Why is 2 always the best one?

>>388235342
But Ico and GunBuster are better...

>>388235342
>witcher 2
>good

>>388235342
Witcher 2 might have the best main story and had stellar visuals back in 2011, but it's easily the weakest in every other regard

>>388235342
not always. prime >> prime 2, demon's souls >> dark souls.
but if you're asking generally, it's because teh developers learn from the mistakes of the original and have a bit more leeway in introducing strange new concepts while simultaneously perfecting the ideas of the previous game.

>silent hill 2 > silent hill
>metal gear raiden > metal gear solid
>sotc > ico
Seriously? Dark Souls being there makes me think this is baity, but I don't like DaS so I actually have no opinion on that. Thing is, with some of these I agree. Fallout and RE are debatable. Admittedly also SotC/Ico, they're two completely different genres, but I found SotC really underwhelming.

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>>388235342
Because the devs sometimes learn about the flaws they made in the first attempt and fix them. This isn't always the case unfortunately.

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>>388235870
Dark souls was amazing, Dark souls II was good in some new aspects but overall just with weird design choices. Dark souls III is a masterpiece.

>>388235342
Thief II, MGS2, Yakuza 2 and SMG2 are the only ones this is true for in that image.

>>388235342
4 is always the best.

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>>388238514
Wrong, 4 is usually the worst.

In the second entry, they learn from mistakes while likely retaining much of the same developer team. It's a continuation of the same ideas and design philosophy honed and perfected and likely with an extended budget because the first game has proven the marketability of the IP.

By the third game a few things happen. Once there are two marketable IPs, producers often recognize that they have a valuable IP cash cow. So they have more vented interest and likely exert more control which may hamper or dilute the original design intent. If it's really bad, the original team may leave to a significant degree. Also, sometimes, the company as a whole shifts significantly, not necessarily due to squeezing by a producer, but changes in company culture. ME3 is a good encapsulation of these factors.

There's also the issue of: where does the series go from here? Time has passed. A few problems. The original design may not be new or novel. Other games have aped off it. It's stale. Or just, the series itself is stale. Perhaps the developers are tired of it themselves. So, likely the series will change. It may modernize which can undercut the original design philosophy by adopting incompatible modern trends. It could lean more heavily into one of the genres it's composed of, i.e., Dead Space 3 became nearly pure action losing the original horror flair that made the series unique. Or it could change into something entirely new which undercuts the fans of the series and their expectations. Or it just maintains the original style, genre, and philosophy and that's usually boring.

There's probably more to it but there are some of my assumptions and observations. Oh, also, in story heavy games, the lore/world can get bulky and difficult to penetrate and contradict itself or just become messier without proper control of writing.

>>388235342
DMC2

>>388239570

Oh, also, design "features" bloat. COD and Assassins Creed are good examples. Because of the need to keep adding back of the box features to distinguish it from the previous entry, the game can tend to get more and more confused. For example, adding that grappling hook to Assassins Creed. Tacked onto the Assassins Creed formula to try to "shake things up," to prove it's a new game, etc. But it undercuts an important tenant of the game: climbing and doesn't add significant depth or changes the basic gameplay loop except to make climbing shorter.

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>>388236119

Jak 2 was garbage, fuck off

>>388235508
u crazy

>>388236119
Not bait, I agree.

3 is the best souls game, even though 1 is my favorite.

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>>388236119
>souls III is a masterpiece

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>>388242245
Bloodborne is the best.

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Whoever made that collage fucked up big time.

>>388242576
Whoever designed that box art fucked up even bigger.

>>388235870
>silent hill 2 > silent hill

It is. Silent Hill 2 did something that just about no game has ever managed to do as well. It managed to be horror and depressing. Which makes it horrific on a level that no other game can really match. This is why people give it such high praise. Name me a more soul crushingly bleak game than SH2.

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>>388243317
Bloodborne and better yet Bloodborne doesn't need two hours of cutscenes to tell a story and establish a depressing atmosphere and world which not only makes it a more immersive experience but also a better game.

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>>388242678

How bout this fuck up?

>>388243693
Are they all like that?

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>>388243802

You tell me. I think they all look fucked.

>>388243317
>It managed to be horror and depressing.
I dunno. I thought the original Silent Hill's ending was pretty depressing, where Harry is given the God baby that his daughter birthed and the daughter he knew self-sacrifices herself to save him and the baby. Always made me a little sad seeing her reach out her hand at the end.

>>388243523
>Bloodborne

Hahaha fuck out of here kid. I refuse to even read the rest of your response. This is beyond fucking ridiculous. Play Silent Hill 2, actually get IT and then get back here with that stupid shit. There is no game that combines sadness and horror like SH2. Only within the series itself do any games come sort of close.

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>tooie
>better than kazooie
>or just "good"

This meme needs to end now.

>>388243317
Yeah, but as a video game it's just not as fun as the first one. Besides it's pretty hard to get invested into the emotions between the cheesy voice acting and cheesier nippon writing.
Don't get me wrong, I fucking loved SH2, just not as much as SH.

You forgot Mass Effect 2

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>>388243994
Holy fuck, what's the worst one or did you already post it?

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>>388235342

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>>388235342
no its not

>>388244058
I agree with you. What made the series so great and I feel so loved to this day is that as I said before with SH2, the games seem to be able to combine sadness with horror in a way I just don't see any other game do. Disregarding that Bloodborne idiots post of course, I really haven't seen that in any other game. I still go with SH2 as doing this theme if you want to call it that the best. The characters were all nuts, had very tragic backstories, a seriously oppressive atmosphere few games can match (although I'd say nothing tops SH in atmosphere), and many seem to think the ending that makes the most sense is the protagonist kills himself in the end. Each game being filled with so much symbolism as well. Making them worth replaying to be able to notice what you might have missed before.

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>>388235342
>Witcher 2
>Fallout 2
>Diebuster
>better than their predecessors

Fuck outta here with this horseshit.

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>>388244432

oh man I think Megaman 1 is the awful but look at this faggotry

>>388244279
SH2 voice acting was not bad. It makes total sense they would sound like that considering they were mental cases. SH1 has the cheesiest voice acting although I still like the voice acting anyways. I would say that SH3 had the best voice acting of the games though.

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>>388244813

>>388243317
>soul crushing games
Anything brown and bloom

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>>388235342
>Prime 2
>ugly, badly designed worlds with shitton of backtracking and the need to farm for ammo
>Thief 2
>rushed game that has two missions which outright rehash already existing maps ("Trace the Courier" and "Masks"), and a shitty final mission
>Kingdom Hearts 2
>"press triangle to win" with worlds that are big, empty areas without any platforming or design
>MGS2
>big shell is the second worst thing to happen to the series (after Phantom Pain), with its terrible design that makes MGS4 look god-tier
>Spyro 2
>shitty minigames which detract from what should be the main point of the game - 3D platforming
>Shadow of the Colossus
>a game which doesn't have any consistent logic, where you waste hours trying to figure out how to beat certain colossi, as opposed to ICO which not only did minimalism perfectly (by not having any status bars as opposed to SotC), but had consistent, great design and logic

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>>388244929

Then at #6 you're like 'who the fuck is this guy'?

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Because 3s are always the best ones.

>>388235870
>Dark Souls being there makes me think this is baity
youre the one who are baitin

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>>388235342
>witcher 2 over 1 or 3
>silent hill 2 over 1 (okay I realize I'm in the minority)
>sanic 2 over 3&knucks
>RE2 over 3 or REmake
>Ratchet 2 over 3

the ones i agree with are teef, sly, dark souls, saint's row and crash

where the fuck are these ico faggots coming from?

>>388235342
Fallout 1>fallout 2

>>388246054
>He prefers Reddit of the Colossus
You have to go back.

>>388246054
Refer to >>388245308
ICO is superior to Shadow of the Colossus in every possible way.

Fallout 1 is better

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Can anything be added to this?

>>388235342
>w2>w1
sure thing kiddo

>>388235342
zelda 2>zelda 1

>>388235342
Dark Souls 2 is the best Dark Souls? If you mean Souls game, then that award goes to BB. Dark Souls has the worst gameplay out of all 5 games except potentially Dark Souls 2.

>>388247165
>8 that low
I sure hope that's not what I think it is.

Mass Effect 2 anyone ?

>>388244078
I'm with you my nigga. That guy either hasn't played SH2 or he's a fuckboy faggot

>>388235342
>Diebuster better than Gunbuster
die

>>388235342
>Sonic 2
>the best one
HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA
3K > 1 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2
Fuck you fucking pleb. 1 is almost always better than 2, 2 is almost always the overrated casualized sequel for plebs like you.

>>388235342
TW2 is the worst in the series

>>388242576
MM3 > 1 > 2
Anyone who disagrees is a dumb nostalgiababby

>>388245308
>>388246197
Not to mention Yorda > some dumb horse

The Last Guardian>Ico

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Get the actual fuck out OP

>>388235342
>MGS2, SH2, Witcher2...
>the best anything

>>388238619
nope. 4 was great, and fixed 2nd one's mess.
PO is the rock bottom game tho.

i actually liked dmc2, but i wouldnt call it better than anything except maybe the reboot

>>388235342
>witcher 2
HAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_YAB1sJPbs

>>388246197
>Dated platforming with awful camera angles
>boring puzzles
>retarded companion
>1 playthrough and a speedrun worth of content.

I'd get the minimalism argument if the mechanics felt elegant like in Classic Prince of Persia but everything is unpolished as fuck.