Have you ever considered learning Japanese just to play video games?

I can play video games now.

>>388218079
When I was in elementary school.

>learning a dead language
go learn mandarin instead

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>>388218079
I'm learning right now. I figured since I consume so much Japanese media I should just learn the language.

I've tried a few times but I can never get past learning Kana.

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>>388218373
>Kana
Motherfucking babies can learn that shit.
Stay still loser!

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>>388218079
i'm actually going to start japanese classes next week.

ive lived there for a little more than a year but i couldn't grasp the lçanguage that well, i was also busy enjoying myself too much.

i plan to go back there one day i maybe lieve there for the rest of life. that country is fucking amazing an has everything i ever wanted in life so ill fight for it.

i have no idea how to get a decent job there though since i just finished college

In my last year of highschool I started downloading and attempting to crack untranslated eroge.
I picked up enough Japanese in doing so that I can mostly decipher regular sentences. I thought about taking some classes when I started university, but I realized I'd want to kill myself if I were associated with the kind of people taking Japanese 101 at my college and being somewhat self taught doesn't qualify me to skip the beginner classes.

>>388218273
We need to eradicate China.

Of course
I really want to play Dragon Quest XI RIGHT FUCKING NOW

>>388218079
Yes, and i'm not going to give up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxGRhd_iWuE

Nah, I learned it for porn. It's nice to play games, and watch TV with it too though.

People really don't understand just how much porn is completely untranslated. It's so fucking weird to see people talking about how much they like an artist, when they haven't even read a tenth of his work because barely any of it is translated.

It's not hard.

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>weebs

nah im gonna learn it to understand their music

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Here's a tip if some of you want to learn Japanese.
Motivation gets run out quickly. You need to establish discipline and follow your schedule, it's the only efficient way.

>>388218079
Already learnt Japanese.
What a are some good unstranslated games to play?
That aren't vns

>>388219191
What's worse is that most of it is never available in the first place.
Most of what is sold at comiket is never uploaded, no chance to get translated and no chance to be read even if you know the language.

>>388218364
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>>388219443
You can't learn Japanese.

>>388218079
Yes, but I am too stupid and have no patience, by the time I really learn japanese I would probably be 40 or something (I am 23 right now), is too much time.

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>>388220946
Already did, I can read pretty much anything I come across, and play any game as I would in english, git gud.

>>388218079
yes

right now im a little stuck on learning conjugations


any tips?

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>>388220946
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>>388220352
It's getting better these days with a decent amount of digital releases. Every year I'm disappointed by just how dull most of the scans are, completely vanilla trash about flavor of the month shows.

Yes.
Just to play Blaze Union and OG Frontier Exceed
Fuck Atlus.

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*blocks your japanese*

>>388218079
No, I am learning Chinese for literature though, you fucking pleb,

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>>388218079
In my third year of it in uni now, apparently by next year I'll be at N3 level minimum, I haven't really tried playing any games or anything though in japanese it seems like too much of a hassle at my current level of comprehension but maybe I'll try it anyway

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>>388222272
Not today

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>>388222187
Sure thing anon, whatever you say, Japanese isn't ever that hard to being with.

>>388218079
No, but I'm learning Korean because I like their TV shows

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>>388222674
Prepare to be reminded 馬鹿
http://www.effectivelanguagelearning.com/language-guide/language-difficulty

Too lazy, payoff would be minimal

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>>388222961
>2200 hours
>88 weeks
hmmmmmm

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>>388222961
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>>388220946
Fuck this bitch

Here's a cheat sheet

>>388223448
that's a nice guide but djt is trash

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>>388218079
Stop making these threads everyday you fucking retard.

>>388222961
What's the matter, too casual?

>>388223448
I like the dekinai-chan meme, mainly because I hate faggots who say that they want to learn but are too lazy or stupid

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>>388222961
My native language is Spanish although I speak and write better in English. Learning Japanese was pretty easy for probably because I actually went to school to learn instead of being a NEET autist like everyone in this thread. You can't learn a language on you own without talking to other people. I found that way better than learning from books.

>>388218905
I'm playing it right now. The level of Japanese isn't too hard.

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>Easiest way to learn Jap would be to just go to classes for it
>Would die of embarrassment if I actually went

>>388224202
>You can't learn a language on you own without talking to other people.
The only thing that does is that you get better at pronuntiation, you're a fucking retard kill yourself spic

>>388224202
Well, because if this thread i just went to a japanese school near my house and applied to some classes. It is cheaper than other language schools i went but it seems to be good enough to start.

>>388218079
yeah. ive considered it just to play bunny black 3 since the translator is almost certainly not gonna translate it due to the spaceing issue requiring too much time investment.
then i remembered im too lazy to do anything at all.

週に2回会話練習すは。漢字分からない。本当なんでするが知らない。

多分未来に日本で旅行する。

>>388218079
i'd much rather learn a relevant language

>>388224738
Yeah, you should probably polish up on your English first. Once you're done with that though, you've successfully exhausted the world's supply of relevant languages, so learning one for entertainment might be a good idea.

>>388224883
imagine being this autistic

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>mfw half japanese
>can understand perfectly when people talk to me
>have trouble talking and writing
Feel like Im and embarassment to my family.

>>388225007
Imagine getting btfo this hard.

>>388224202
What >>388224548 said, Classes just teach you basic stuff and pronuntiation and you have to learn most of the stuff on your own I really doubt you know japanese if you only took classes and didn't study at home. Not saying that classes are useless tho

>>388225035
It's the white dad's genetics that are making you retarded.

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reminder that japanese is a shit tier language

>>388225047
i didn't even get btfo'd, there was nothing wrong with my sentence

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>>388224698
see>>388223448

>>388218079
Yes, but then i realized there are no great games that require you to know japanese so it's pointless.

At most you would be able to play a couple japanese porn strategy games that don't suck ass (ie. from AliceSoft), and let's be honest: there's already so much translated porn even if i learnt japanese i'd have to skip reading 99% of untranslated shit.

>>388225464
>Yes, but then i realized there are no great games that require you to know japanese
You know I wanted to reply with examples and/or a laughing anime face but I won't, because I know I'll just get
>shit
>shit
>weeaboo shit
in response.

>>388225564
I'm being honest. But keep in mind i'm already too old to care about your average animu JRPG.

>the world is full of fantastic languages with rich literary traditions such as french, russian, spanish, german, even possibly greek, latin, sanskrit
>better waste years learning the language of some backwater islands for video games and hentai
kys my man

>>388225752
And of course i would be a few years older before i could be fluent in japanese.

>>388225803
japan doesnt have literature?

>>388225803
French sounds like shit.

>>388225803
>and hentai
And this is the richest part, when translated hentai mangas are being released every single day to the point you'll never not find something to read whenever you want to fap.
Unless you're really adamant about reading visual novels or playing super shitty Rpgmaker games it's not worth it.

>>388218079
Have been for a year.

I suck at it and I'm exhausted.

Still keeping at it, though.

>>388225803
Go home /lit/ you're drunk

>>388225803
It's called pragmatism, anon. And french comics are the only reason I'm learning french in the first place.

during high school when i got back from school i spent hours a day studying kanji and vocabulary, watched a ton of anime which helped as well, eventually graduated to reading raw scans of manga and japanese wikipedia, then reading raw scans of japanese novels. of course i also got a bunch of games like the jap version of SOTN, didnt have to play it with the shitty english dub like all the plebs.

>>388226303
>you'll never not find something to read whenever you want to fap.
Maybe if you only read the most vanilla garbage around.

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>>388226303
You do realize that the shit that gets translated is only cutting the surface, right?

>>388226485
>implying
Unless your tastes are very obscure there's plenty of non-vanilla shit being constantly released.

>>388226707
How obscure are your tastes? And have you finished your backlog?

I went to a beginner's jap course for teh lulz, but I later used it to play R-Type Tactics 2. I didn't understand a word of the story but the gameplay was just english words written in kana.
SHOOTO ZA ENAHGII MISSAIRU 1000 ATTACKU POWAH FAIA EMBRUEMU

>>388223614
/thread

>>388225102
>on your own
We had study groups and had connections with Japanese people who would teach us Japanese and we would teach them English. It was fun. Best freinds in my entire life.

>>388218079
Considered? I just placed an Amazon order for a bunch of kid's books. I'm progressing pretty nicely, I think.

Just out of morbid curiosity, about how long did it take everyone before they could read their first thing without furigana?

>>388226902
>>Unless your tastes are very obscure there's plenty of non-vanilla shit being constantly released.
There are days where even the untranslated sum total of a few dozen tags on Pixiv, sadpanda, and twitter aren't enough. It's crazy that you think translated shit is enough, I guess if you get off to a single 20 page doujin you could make do as a vanillafag.

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>>388226452
Do it for him.

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>>388225803
>Learn language you're not interested in
>Don't use it as you have no interests in the goal language or culture and waste it away
>H-hey at least I learnt something!

kys my man

>>388226902
It doesn't have to do with obscure tastes. There's just so many untranslated shit. For a translated porno I can raise you 20 untranslated ones that are better than it.

>>388218273
>go learn an awful meme language instead of one you'll have constant exposure to

Sure thing, Chang.

>>388220946
いいえ先輩

>>388227210
I've played games without it, but it just makes things a lot more awkward since you have to take much longer looking up kanji you don't know.

>>388219442
Duolingo gets a lot of flack, but the emails and phone notifications really help with establishing the habit. Anki on the phone too has notifications, but they're less intrusive and therefore easier to ignore.

I'm still riding the high of being able to read anything in Japanese at all. Breezed through the level one graded readers, so I have a few of those "Masterpieces every child should read by 10" in the mail right now. I'll see how well I do on those before I try anything more advanced.

>>388227302
If you say so, Jules.

>>388224202
I wanted to go to school to learn but my state doesn't offer Japanese courses. I had to learn online, which turned out ok. I read more than I speak to natives.
Luckily, there are a lot of apps to use for both text chatting speaking over the phone, which I would be doing anyway one girl sent me nudes and asked me to come visit her

I started about 2 months ago. Thought i would give up at Kanji but I've managed to make myself keep at it everyday so far. Anytime i can pick out something and read it even if its only a word or two it helps me keep going knowing I'm making progress.

>>388218079
Not "just", but one of the many reasons I study Japanese.

>>388227210
I have been toying with it for years, but after taking a class in Uni for it I have been able to pick pieces out of 4koma, online stuff, and even news pieces. Its always encouraging.

>>388226303
That doesn't really apply if you're following specific artists/circles. Especially some less popular ones. Jeanna Deack's latest isn't translated, Free-style only has one or two works translated, fucking Maron Maron still has a couple things untranslated. And then fucking Spermatank. I've wanted to read it for ten fucking years and only one or two chapters have been translated.

>>388218079

I did several years ago. The funny thing is I don't play games in Japanese as often anymore.

>>388218079
No, but I considered learning japanese just to read futa doujins

>>388222674
Basically /djt/

I learned well enough to read kana and most common kanji. Though I cannot pronounce anything and couldn't form a sentence if my life depended on it. I will likely never speak to a japanese person, so when I was going through my courses and resources I skipped anything having to do with speaking. It worked okay. I can read most subtitles. Learning to read kanji isn't as hard as learning to read and write them. Just use anki and you'll get it.

>>388227217
>It's crazy that you think translated shit is enough
My backlog is over 5k if i'm being selective (and over 10k if lax), by the time i finished fapping to everything i want to read right now i'd have to add all the new translated mangas released during that time period.

>I guess if you get off to a single 20 page doujin you could make do as a vanillafag
Extension has nothing to do with how vanilla or hardcore the content within each piece is, and there's plenty of tankoubons too (which of course take several faps to finish).

>>388227382
>For a translated porno I can raise you 20 untranslated ones that are better than it.
Even if that were true, it wouldn't make me not want to read what i already bookmarked.

>>388228108
>if you're following specific artists/circles. Especially some less popular ones
Fair enough. Personally i'm constantly switching authors and fetishes so i never get tired of any style.

>>388228265
My man.

>>388228915
>Personally i'm constantly switching authors and fetishes so i never get tired of any style.
That's also a fair point. But like I said, I've been wanting to read Spermatank for years. That demon with the different 'levels' written on her body parts gets me rock hard every time And one of my favorite things about Jeanne Dack is the situations he writes, not necessarily his art. And I always love the way he doesn't outright state the character's age, but says something like "Jenny: 30 years old - had a kid at 15." and the character next to her will have a description like "Sarah: Jenny's daughter."

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>>388218079
>Have you ever considered learning Japanese just to play video games?

Yeah, then I studied like crazy and passed JLPT1 in 2005. Still not as fluent as your average Japanese university graduate desu

>>388224698
but seriously tho, dekinai. You need to study more anon

GO AWAY
FUCK OFF
STOP POSTING THIS RIDICULOUSLY UGLY CUNT DRAWN BY SOMEONE TOO STUPID TO DRAW REAL CARTOONS

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>>388232103
>he can't learn japanese

>>388232293
FUCK OFF

>>388224159
>You can't learn a language on you own without talking to other people.
yes you can, is not our fault you are retarded and need someone spoon feeding you a language. there are a lot faggots that are fluent in a lot of languages using mnemonics. I know a few.

>>388230686
how do you read the second bubble? "ないそうだぜ”?

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>>388232470

>>388233220
>TFW only at 400 mature.
Uh oh. I knew the sense of accomplishment I was getting from my children books wouldn't last.

>>388218079
Some anon got me so interested in one of his favorite games (Linda^3), so yeah, I am now

>>388233220
who the fuck cares is not that you are going to read something out of hentai, anime and games and they always use the same dialogues and tropes.

>>388232984
ないしょ

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>>388225803
>>the world is full of fantastic languages with rich literary traditions such as french, russian, spanish, german, even possibly greek, latin, sanskrit
Yeah, and they lost to fucking hentai rofl nice literature you've got there

>>388218079
I have, after a while though I realized that almost any game I'm interested in playing will be translated eventually, its just a matter of waiting a year or so. The amount of effort put in, just to play a game a year early is simply not worth it. If I'm going to spend my time learning something I would rather it be a useful skill that could eventually lead to employment. Not that you can't get employed as a translator if you are good enough, but it just isn't something I would be interested in doing.

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>>388218795
Well i came back from the japanese school and it seems to be decent, at least for begginers. They already gave some materials to work with.

Pic related.

>>388235970
boi

>>388236059
What, it seems alright for a language course, especially if i am a begginer. It is also really cheap.

>>388234973
>I realized that almost any game I'm interested in playing will be translated eventually, its just a matter of waiting a year or so.
This is complete fantasy. I get it, you didn't want to put in the time, whatever, just don't make shit up. You can't just go "oh, I never wanted to play that game anyway" when someone tells you a patch would be infeasible and nobody will bother with it.

There are literally thousands of games that came out DECADES ago that still don't have translation patches. And chances are pretty high that unless we develop an AI that can deal with all this shit in a nanosecond, a lot of them never will be translated. But let's assume, for the sake of argument, that you aren't interested in a single one of those games, and everything you want is going to be translated within a year.

Translating from Japanese to English isn't good. The best in the business can do some passable work, but you'll never see anything from them. If you're extremely lucky, you'll get a translation spearheaded by a complete autist who happens to be good at English prose, and has more than a week's worth of experience. In most cases, you'll get a college student who is running the text through Google Translate, or just makes up all the lines he doesn't understand. The pro industry isn't any better, the translators who work for localisation companies are about as good as the voice actors who work for them, which is to say "they're absolute garbage and any of them with any skill move onto a real industry where they get paid 10 times the amount".

everyone hits the kanji wall and stops

>>388236612

Kanji isn't that awful when you get used to it (though even years later I'll say that the way the Japanese have handled it is pure shit). Grammar is worse.

>>388236612
kanzi isn't hard tho

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>>388236612
Kanji isn't hard.
The problem is people study in ineffective ways or feel so pressured by the number that they rush through it.

>>388225161
Do you speak Ithkuil or what?

>>388237219
beronika dies

>>388235970
What the fuck is up with your thumb?

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>>388237656
It us just a bad angle i guess

>>388238026
You shoud've showed the good angle then

>>388236916
With some experience reading, I'm honestly glad Kanji exists. So many words use the same pronunciation, and with Japanese's lack of spaces, it would be a fucking nightmare to tell where one word ends and another begins, and even to tell which word it's supposed to be without kanji.

>>388238917
Thats one of those feelings you only experience once you've come a long way. Kanji really does indeed make things easier.

>>388218079
~45 days in. It's slow going but rewarding.

Also, what's that image from? I see it all the time in /DJT/

>>388238917

Oh definitely. I've been reading Nip for years and would never want to see kana only. It's just that the way the Japanese have handled kanji pronunciations and sometimes even meanings is absolute shit compared to the Chinese. That's why you can almost never be sure of a name pronunciation if you haven't heard it or seen it written in furigana/hiragana at some point.

>>388235970
>boi

>>388218079
>most jap vidya is in english too
>most anime is subbed
>not a VNfag
>not being able to read hentai doesn't really matter
>western entertainment is better
Nah, I'm fine

>>388239759

>most jap vidya is in english too

All those poorly translated titles of the past is one of the things that got me to learn Nip. Some people don't care, so it wouldn't matter for them though. Localizations that aren't from Nintendo seem to be fairly good these days from what I've seen (which isn't a lot). Dragon Quest localizations are still bad though from a localization point of view, though a lot of people who don't know Japanese enjoy them, so I guess that's all that matters.

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>>388240268
Hey, someone saved my screenshot, cooool

>>388243142
>that code
QID?

>>388243553
I'm not an acronym dictionary, please elaborate. It's silly looking c code

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>>388244623
The thing this program prints. Also, I messed up, it was actually "KID". I thought maybe it's some in-game puzzle or something.

>>388245038
That't really cool, the game was produced by KID corporation. Guess it's an easter egg, thanks for posting this, I had no idea.

>>388218079
Why are making these fucking threads you faggot?

>>388245038
Your code is wrong, you have comments in the middle of the line.

>>388247168
That's Python3, "//" is integer division. Like almost all scripting languages, Python uses # as the single-line comment delimiter.

>>388236514
You seem to be under the impression that my life goal is to play as many video games as possible. I have other things I do with my life. I have no interest in playing old games with shitty mechanics, because at the end of the day, if I only cared about stories, I would go read a book. Gameplay is 70% of my interest. Even if I tried playing every good game ever, I would probably die before being able to complete them all.

If you are interested in playing obscure Japanese games then you will definitely need to learn Japanese. I like playing good video games and I'm okay with being unable to play mediocre or bad games.

>I get it, you didn't want to put in the time, whatever, just don't make shit up.
What shit am I making up? There is literally not a single game I'm interested in that I can think of that is Japanese that isn't actively being translated, or hasn't already been translated. I never claimed that every "good" game ever has been translated, just that what I want is or will be.

>>388247514
You didn't even respond to the second part of my post, which stated that game translations are a fucking dumpster fire.

I wouldn't read a J>E translation if you paid me.

I'd rather not.Hell i barely even play jap games.

>>388247807
I play games for gameplay, its pretty hard to fuck up translating that part. I've played my fair share of J>E translated games and groaned at the obviously mistranslated things, or dialogue where the translators were far too liberal with their translation. I personally prefer subs over dubs because most English voice acting is pretty bad. At the end of the day though, its just not worth it to me to learn Japanese when all I want to do is play the damn game for the gameplay which remains perfectly intact.

I'm not going to tell you why you should enjoy games but I think that people like me that predominantly play jrpg's and do so for the combat and character customization really have no reason to bother learning Japanese.

>>388224202
Fuck u. I fucking learned English by myself watching subbed TV shows and shit I didn't have an English dictionary when I started so fuck u. Mentiroso.

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I'm a lonely Japanese major with no friend to practice with. Anki and reading isn't getting me as far as I'd hoped

>>388251148
How the fuck can you not have friends in your classes? Especially since you're a major. You're bound to see the same people over and over again in your major classes or at least having to be doing projects and shit with them. Unless you're some kind of sperg

>>388218079
Nope

>>388220946
wrong, you can, but you have to use the language on a daily basis

the guide on the reddit for Japanese learners is really good (hurr durr back2Reddit am I right pedes :DDDD). Heisig learning the Kanji are mandatory. If you don't want to learn Kanji don't waste time with Japanese and learn more English than wasting your time with Japanese.

外人はとってもバカですね
日本語は簡単ですよ

>>388251764
>he fell for the heisig meme

I'm just tired of unreliable translations.

>>388251850
>とっても
That's not how I learned it

Why is this so confusing

>>388252096
It's the emphatic version of what you already know.

>>388252096
It's usually easier to pronounce geminate consonants, so there's a lot of that shit in Japanese. Even though it might be seen as incorrect or slang

>>388236514

>Translating from Japanese to English isn't good. The best in the business can do some passable work

I don't know why you people make it sound like all translators/localizers are just "passable" at best. I mean yeah, I went through a phase similar to that (but not that extreme) during my first year of study too, but I got over it. Since then I've learned to call the shit jobs shit and the great jobs great. Though it's probably just the first year people/eternal weeaboos that say that.

Why can't brainlets understand the very logical reasons why some people choose to learn Japanese?

>>388253201

Some people just see it as a waste of time and they get mad when other people spend their time how they want.

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I picked up Japanese solely for Fuuka and to play Persona 3 so that I can see it without awkward translations and localizations

>>388253201
Unironically because I'm jealous and can't put in the tremendous amount of effort it would require of me to learn it.

>>388218218

FPBP

>>388227492

You soon will have a lot of exposure to chinese, just wait.

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>>388218273
TODAY I WILL REMIND THEM

>>388227492
>Chinese
>meme language

That title will only ever belong to Japanese. Weebs have willed it so

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Fuggin hell no

>>388253978
10 years from here, this image will still be posted every single japanese thread on /v/

>>388218273
But I want to learn them both

>>388253978
baited for this exact reply

>>388253797
>>388254042
バカチャンコロ死ね

>>388253201
Because brainlets project a lot. When they hear about people learning Japanese for videogames/anime/whatever they go through the following brain process: "I have no reason to learn Japanese for these things, therefore everyone else has no reason to learn it either".

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>>388225803
>Greek
you mean 90% translations from Arabic?
>Latin
To do what, read the Bible, also translations? Boethius, Augustine, etc are great in English with the right translation.
>Sanskrit
Why would you learn a ritual language? Just read the Vedas and Upanishads in translation and you're basically done.
>French
All the French philosophy is good in translation, and the only novel worth reading is The Count of Monte Cristo.
>Spanish
Just read Don Quixote in translation and move on
>German
The small handful of novels worth reading are fine in translation. Skip Young Werther.
>Russian
Sure, but you could just learn a little bit about the culture of the relevant periods, and then read all the great Russian novels in translation and get 95% of the significance anyways. Remember that it's not worth talking to actual Russians, either.

Italian might be worth it just for Dante, but then again Dorothy Sayers' translations of the Divine Comedy are so fucking good that Dante himself would probably approve them.

No other language than Japanese is worth learning for porn or comics, and saying you read and understood Murakami in the original Japanese is sure to get a ton of (you)s. I am a Cat is also ok.

>>388218079
does ASL count?

>>388254938
>the only novel worth reading is The Count of Monte Cristo
Nice meme.

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>>388255180
ok also Madame Bovary and maybe In Search of Lost Time, but you couldn't pay me to re-learn French just to read them.

Frankly I wish I could forget all the French I knew, I fucking hate Quebeckers they drive like lunatics.

>>388254938

>and then read all the great Russian novels in translation

Man, I've only read one Russian novel and the translator just stopped trying halfway through. And the sequel will probably never be translated, but it didn't feel like a series that needed more than one book, truth be told.

>>388255021
27/M/My mom's basement
You?

>>388257216
??/F(M)/California

>>388257498
I've never met a Californian I've liked. But I'll let you post your butt anyway.