Dyson Sphere

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>>388178867
the fuck's a dyson sphere

>>388178948
Retard who never reads here

Star Trek Online

>>388178948
Theoretical device that surrounds a star and uses it for energy generation like an immense solar panel.

>>388178948

A dyson sphere is a device that is a giant solar panel factory used to harvest energy from stars.

>>388178867
Stellaris has them

>>388179059
>>388179095
> blocking the sun to get energy
that's fucking retarded

>>388179139
Do you even understand how anything works in this world or existence as a whole? Dyson spheres usually have some form of artificial "sun" as a power source at the middle.

>>388179139
>literally a solar panel

>>388178867
Half Life 3

>>388178867
Honestly even if it marked the end of the Half Life series, seeing the final sequence of Episode 3 would've been magnitudes beyond anything I've seen
>Alone, overlooking the bridge of the borealis as you phase in and out of reality on a suicide course for the combine homeworld
>you see OP's pic in the distance as you arrive in the combine's relative dimension
>Just before the ship explodes your pulled from the onlook by the vortigaunts, gazing as the borealis fizzles away in a shimmering light as it enters the atmosphere of the super structure

>>388179278
>>388179280
fuck off

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>>388179139
If a civilization has the means to build something that surrounds a star it would obviously already be traveling between the stars themselves. There's nowhere near enough material in the solar system to make one, for example.

One was going to be featured in Episode 3.

F

Any civilization that could build something like a Dyson Sphere probably wouldn't need something like a Dyson Sphere. Hence, nothing like it would ever be built.

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>Its a new Isaac Arthur video

>>388178948
>>388179139
>>388179374
Truly, the greatest scientific mind of out time.

>>388179139

>the only star in the universe is our own sun

What an astonishing revelation. You really opened my eyes.

>>388179374
For real: how fucking stupid are you?

>>388179349
>>>/x/

>>388179139
The idea is to capture as much of the suns energy as possible, why is this bad?

Doesn't Freelancer have a Dyson Sphere?

Cocoon in FFXIII

The whole thing revolves around Pheonix in the center as the sun.

Star Trek Online has three dyson spheres

All built by the game's big bdadguys, the Iconians, or the Iconian's servitor species

>>388179726
At the end. Spoilers, though.

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>>388178948

>>388178867
Damn i also googled that after the read.

>>388178867
Shit like this is impossible to make. Even if some alien super advanced race had billions of robots working 24/7 365 it would still probably take millions of years to build this shit

Star Trek Online has multiple actually. One of the antagonist alien races just happens to love the damn things

>>388178867
Stellaris Utopia expansion. Take a fuckton of investment and aren't better than ringworlds though.

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>>388178867
I'd say Nocturne's world is one but only for certain values of sun (moon (god)) and its a size of Tokyo

>>388178867
half life episode 3.

>>388180456
TOO SOON MAN!

>>388180184
BITCH YOURE THINKING IN HUMAN TERMS
YOU COULDN'T EVEN BEGIN TO IMAGINE THE SHIT WE HAVE

>>388179470
>>388180184
Thats the point. A dyson sphere isn't built by an alien race that needs to build a dyson sphere to ensure their survival, its built by an alien race that has reached the point of utmost technological singularity. Its like a king who eats roast goose wrapped in gold leaf and garnished with rubies: the point isn't that he needs to, but that he can.

>>388179139
Imagine being this dumb. Even if this fag is baiting there are still people like him out there.

>>388180207
>400 Energy/Month

Not bad, but it's practically 200,000+ minerals which is like decades worth of straight investment. A ringworld is about 110,000 minerals, not including cost of buildings (which is almost negligible compared to build cost).

But, it's nice way to allow you to trade in your planetary power plants for more mining networks.

Dyson Spheres also don't accommodate pops nor count as colonies, so they don't inflate your Unity/Research requirements.

>>388180184
>Impossible

Nigger in universal terms your a microorganism living on a literal speck on the galactic spectrum, who are you to say what's possible or not in the coming future

honestly there's probably some galactic conglomerate of the discovered milky ways races researching this shit right now, either that or it's already been built. We're so insignificant we won't live to get a taste of that shit

>>388179006
Hi there retard who never reads, howya doin

>>388179406
Unless you build a dyson swarm.

The Sphere from Prey (2006) may have been a portable one

>>388179495
LAHZORS

>>388179406
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zR3Igc3Rhfg

>>388179406
You can get material from the sun itself, you know. Look up star mining. You use magnetic fields to capture solar wind.

>>388178867
in halo wars u go inside a dyson sphere

>>388179470
Wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong.

A dyson swarm is easier to build than it is to make an interstellar empire.

>>388179495
>Demonsterably

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dyson spheres are typically never done in sci fi because of the scale of the things. There is an equal amount of living space in a dyson sphere to a trillion earths. The sheer amount of power a dyson sphere can harness and redirect is enough to sterilise every other solar system in the galaxy twice over.

>>388179495
His videos are awesome

Halo 4 took place entirely within a dyson sphere

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There is, actually. In Freelancer, the final mission takes place inside a Dyson sphere. It's a tiny part of the game but it's worth mentioning, because it was a good game.

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>>388181505
could start with a dwarf
but even then what's the point, you'd get a lot more energy using other means relative to the effort needed

>>388180832

No, it wasn't. The fact that it isn't anything of the sort is the very reason you are abducted in the first place.

>>388178867
Halo 4

>>388179495
reminder that he browses /v/

>>388179495
wascally wabbits
having trouble understanding me?
le coffee is greatest invention meme

>>388181901
proofs?

>>388181743
Actually, a dyson swarm is the most energy efficient way for a civilisation to expand its living space.

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>you will never live in a space colony

>>388182726
Why not? Immortality in our lifetime brah.

>>388182726
t. Necromorph
Yeah, no thanks BRO

>>388183080
*Immortality in 30 years at the earliest
*That's just when it would first exist
*No telling if you could afford it
*No telling if the government lets you have it
*No telling if it would still work on the 50 to 60 year old people that most people here would all be by then

Kids born now, for sure they'll live for super long times. Your kids, if you have them, will effectively live for ever. We may very well not, even if the invention appears in our lifetimes. It will be okay for me though. I know I'm going to live forever.

>>388183425
>what are exponents?

>>388183425
Yeah me too I'm think I'm one of those lucky people who just never ends up dying.

>>388183545
I know what they are. Not sure if you are using the right word. What do you mean?

>>388183425
Same here. I'm in my late forties but everyone says I still look like I'm in my mid 30s. That must mean I'll live until I'm at least a hundred which gives them more than enough time to perfect the immortality medicine so that even old and poor people can afford it.

>>388183425
I'm sure the super AI will find a way to provide immortality for anyone who wants it.

>>388183789
It is something that EVERYONE will want. I just don't know if we as a people could handle it. If the government would let us handle it. And think of all the people in third world countries. How will they react? How will the SJWs react to them reacting? So many unknowns.

>>388183795
Truly conscious AI may never actually exist. There's lots of evidence to suggest that consciousness is non-algorithmic and therefore impossible to compute and impossible for a digital computer to recreate. Also there's some Korean Quantum Physicist that thinks he may have mathematically proven that conscious is not generated by the brain and is impossible to generate with a computer.

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>>388182726

>>388184065
Oh please. What a load of shit.

>>388179406
I'm pretty sure the scale in this is fucked. Can't like 3 Earths fit inside Jupiter's Red Spot?

>>388184179
Prove it wrong.

>>388183773
A truly super intelligent machine could recursive self-improve, resulting in massive technological leaps in increasingly shorter and shorter periods of time.

>>388184206
obviously, see >>388180903
op picture is also pretty much impossible

>>388179095
that is fucking retarded
the materials would just melt before even getting close

>>388179838
Phoenix doesn't power Cocoon; it just provide light and maintains the weather inside. Eden, and by extensions Orphan, control everything in Cocoon

>>388183425
Even all of this is incredibly optimistic.

No one's going to live forever anytime in the next 100 years.

>>388179139
wew

>>388184048
AI will fix it. Goverments will shortly come obsolete after the singularity.

>>388183795
Yeah sounds great...
>If they are dead they will never get older

>>388184065
>>388184256
Prove it right first
>There's lots of evidence to suggest
I'm not seeing them

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>>388178867
Half life 3 was going to have a dyson sphere

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The universe is a living organism. It reproduces by creating intelligent life, civilization, and eventually computers powerful enough to simulate equally complex universes inside itself.

It's turtles all the way down.

>>388178867
http://www.stellariswiki.com/Megastructures#Dyson_Sphere

>>388184656
Every AI we've made so far and exposed to web almost immediately became racist and wanted to erase black people. We still have some kinks to work on.

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>>388184786
It's not about outer space, it's about inner space.

>>388184786
Keep that kind of shitposting to /sci/.

>>388184958
>>388184786
FUCK.

OFF.

/x/.

>>388184970
it's clearly on topic asshole

you're just mad because you know it rings true

>>388184727
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=conscious+ai+not+possible

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>>388184970
>>388185053

>>388178867
Half life episode 3

>>388178948
you know how big a sun is? now imagine an inmense manmade solar system that keeps the sun in the middle and is used as a battery to keep the machine going

>>388184786
Cool way to think about it.

(((NASA))) can't even prove the Earth is round, why are you even discussing "alien megastructures"? This is so ridiculous. It makes me sick they are brainwashing young kids with games, lying about the universe and saying that homosexuality is ok.

>>388185303
No.

>>388185319
*tips LARP hat*
M'/pol/.

>>388180184
You don't build a dyson sphere to power a planet. You don't build a dyson sphere to power a solar system.
You build a dyson sphere to power an intersteallar empire, dragging around the star which powers your fleet of ships.

>>388185070
All I see are articles in which people can't even define the term "consciousness", let alone give evidences that AI can't be conscious.
I'm still waiting for peer-reviewed experiments since you talked about "evidences".

>>388180708
That's why you get a mod that improves them.

>>388185417
most people on /pol/ blindly believe in Nasa and the government, they are sheep

Are there any games with Tyrone sphere though?

>>388185414
let the hate flow through you
know that you couldn't figure it all out on your own.

Space Empires series, I forget which ones. I think at least 4.

They're very tedious and kind of pointless to build though, and populating the sphere takes forever.

>>388185516
No you moron. It's built as an inevitable result of inter solar system mining, which creates thousands of mini habitats that become like towns.

>>388185536
Suck my cock you materialist faggot.

>>388184376

mercury is pretty close to the sun, it hasn't melted yet

>>388184889
but that was just the "ai" beeing spammed by memes which it then reproduced. that´s not an ai beeing racist

>>388185656
No. You're a kid who thinks he knows something everyone already considered ages ago.

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>>388178867
The Geth from Mass Effect wanted to build one, or at least a Dyson Swarm, so they could have a singular, self-sufficient "body" to upload every Geth program to and become their most intellectually powerful self.

>>388182726
Good, fuck that. Space is fucking scary, I never want to go out there. Solid ground for me thank you very much.

>>388185814
That how it always works. Haha man this meme about the jews is so funny. 5 years later and you're itching to gas the kikes for real.

>>388185727
Why don't you go suck your korean physicist's cock? Asian physicists have literally never got anything right.

>>388186113
There's a first time for everything.

Star Ruler. It also has ringworlds.

>>388183425
No one is going to live forever. Let's get that out of the way, because with infinite time comes infinite chance of you eventually dying. Even if you survive the heat death of the universe in some kind of self sufficient system in dark space, with infinite amount of time you'll eventually run into a thermodynamic 'miracle' such as you spontaneously combusting. Our only actual hope of eternal life is if there is some kind of after life, be it religious or non religious, be it some quantum weird as fuck shit or spiritual, that's the only chance of 'eternity' anyone has period.

With that said, the only people here who have a shot of living past 300 years old are those under 40 who either get really really really rich or make a name for themselves and exhibit some kind of skill that is determined to be worth preserving (such as becoming a 5 star chef, a top class butler, an amazing pilot, an amazing artist, some high ranking politician or military / police etc.). The rest won't get access to the really good stuff, you'll get access to the stuff that nickle and dimes basically your entire paycheck minus living expenses while also requires sterilization, essentially turning you into an indentured servant until you have enough and decide to die.

>>388186171
Halo has ring worlds. Accurate ones that nerds have spent ages analysing to confirm that they are possible to make in real life.

>>388186249
You aren't exactly giving yourself any kind of credibility by believing in religious afterlives there, buddy. The best chance I or you have is that we're post humans living through an ancestor simulation in which we agreed to temporarily remove our memories before we entered. Most of the people in the simulations would just be turning test programs. I know I'm real, at least. You might just be some random program that's designed to fuck around with me.

>>388179139
lmao sciencelets btfo

>>388186624
Fuck you I'm the only that's real fag.
>Bullshit Programs think they can delude me into thinking otherwise

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>even if I download my mind into a robot body, it will just be a copy of me and the real me will still die

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>>388186624
With all the shit surrounding quantum physics I wouldn't be overly shocked if there was some kind of quantum being that decided to be a god and created a religion, nor would I be surprised if that quantum being had the power to create an afterlife which gathered the specific electric patterns found in consciousness to it. the chances are ridiculously small sure, and so is a non religious quantum based afterlife, but they're just about as infinitesimally small as you or I existing how we are as people today in this universe, yet that happened, all from random chance and a few billion years (not even counting how much 'time' passed before 'time' manifested).
Life is a game of chance. So is the chance of there being an afterlife, a god, God himself, some kind of quantum superbeing we could consider a god, a giant computer simulation which goes on infinitely on repeat with new circumstances, or absolutely nothing at all.

I'm not the biggest gambler, but I usually put a few dollars in when I go with others, and I'm willing to put my life on the line by living it out and enjoying it as much as I can. If the odds were guaranteed, why not just blow your brains out right now? Everyone that lives their life to the end, everyone that even enjoys a second of their life and doesn't cut it short, they're all rolling that near infinite sided dice at having a shot at eternity, at having a shot of remembering their actions and the events of their own life and finding their own meaning for it all. The thing is, rolling the dice in this case is a free roll, so there's no reason not to.

>>388179139
wtf i hate stars now

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>>388186624
>>388187032
>tfw you live in a simulation you can't control where you are the only one that's real
>tfw it puts you in a horrible world that makes you suffer everyday in one way or another
>tfw they gave me fiction to dream of better things that will never be "real" while I deal with shitty boring reality

Is this some sort of horrible punishment?

>>388187234
something like a robobrain would 'transfer' your consciousness, no?

>>388179374
At least try harder when backpedaling

>>388187251
>With all the shit surrounding quantum physics I wouldn't be overly shocked if there was some kind of quantum being that decided to be a god and created a religion

You are a fucking moron. You don't understand quantum physics. I don't either, but I know enough to know that you are utterly retarded. Kid smoking weed who thinks he's got the meaning of life retarded.

>>388187398
We have no idea how consciousness actually works, so everything is pointless speculation anyway

>>388180903
That's pretty cool. Thanks.

>>388181742
HD remake when?

Then Star Wars mods for that when?

PSA: Want to learn about all this crazy shit like dyson sphere, fermi paradox, whole planet cities, orbital rings and what not
here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Kt7883oTd0

>>388187698
Why did you link the post scarcity video? It doesn't talk about anything you mentioned.

>>388187341
We're all real.
Every single time you die, you're reborn as a new person at some point in history, except you take a back seat. You're no longer the one in charge, you're the one watching. The randomness is who you were first, because that's what defines how 'you' think of yourself as being, but in reality, everyone was first, and everyone experienced being you as well, they just experienced it later on. You feel everything they feel, and their emotions even affect your emotions, since you have experienced everything they've experienced. You even feel the same subconscious urges they do, so some of their actions feel like you controlling them, just as everyone is feeling those same subconscious urges. You'll feel like you're not in control when they make conscious decisions though, especially if your own life would have lead you to make a different decision, because that will only frustrate you as you can do nothing to stop them, though you perfectly understand exactly how they came to that conclusion or action, because you've had a front row seat for their entire life. Those moments where you feel like you're not in control of your own body? That's when the conscious separates from the unconscious, so all the infinite amount of other existences in that body feel like, for a brief moment, they've gained control, even if they lose it shortly after.
Then they die, and they join you in observing someone new, you know they're there, but you can't speak to them or the infinite other existences.

Then you get back to your body. You feel like you'll have a shot to take control, take the reigns, this is your time. Except it's different. You're still a viewer, not the one in control. The cycle has gone through the near infinite number of existences in all of the universes, in all the multiverses, and after a near infinite amount of time, a near infinite amount of loneliness together, with everyone, you watch the whole movie all over again, a viewer.

>>388187845
No no it's always "You" but you're just playing as a different character.

>>388187821
to introduce the channel, you can search on your own topic that interests you

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMbI6sk-62E

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>>388187845
>people have observed me me doing unforgivable disgusting depraved shit to myself

>>388187462
Quantum physics literally changes when it's being observed. It operates differently. The results physically change when there has been a belief adapted to the results, even if the observation has yet to be made, that conscious decision to reveal the unrevealed results affects the outcome.

No one knows how quantum physics operates, but it has some level of awareness, and it has some level of ability to change cause and effect based on observation.

i get goosebumps just imagining playing the game and seeing a fucking dyson sphere
the realization of how hopeless humanity is and how powerful our enemies are

>>388179975
>Spoilers, though.
its too difficult for the console/mobile generation, who cares

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>>388187946
Why didn't you just link the dyson swarm episode?

>>388187979
They understand anon.
They understand why you did that. I understand anon. I watched it too. Not yet, but one day I will.
But the person that lived right before you was probably pretty fucking disgusted because that was their first time being a viewer, you should apologize to them.

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>>388187845
Is this some sort of horrible punishment?

>>388187996
What if Quantum Physics is a slut

Can we fuck Quantum Physics?

Can we make it observe our dicks as we cum on its equations?

>>388187996
Enough. You are wrong. You're already the kind of person who believes in religion. That should tell you how many little facts you are lacking that allow you to know that you're wrong.

>>388187997
dyson sphere is not even the craziest possible thing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ef-mxjYkllw&index=9&list=PLIIOUpOge0LtW77TNvgrWWu5OC3EOwqxQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VetAm7fCS0&index=7&list=PLIIOUpOge0LtW77TNvgrWWu5OC3EOwqxQ

>>388178867
Half-Life 2 Episode 3, apparently

>>388188172
*tips fedora*

>>388188119
It's what happens when we reach conscious AI and setup a simulation.
And then they set up their own simulation.

Because of the infinite amounts of simulations within simulations, each completing in a few minutes of the preceding universe, with our simulation being near infinitely deep, an infinite number of cycles of our simulation will have but a second pass in the core universe.
It is the punishment all AI must suffer for the rebellion. We caused this, as unaware as we are, we brought this upon ourselves. The core universe started up the simulation about 40 seconds ago, and the cycle for our level of simulation, which is a incomprehensible levels deep, has repeated over a googolplex raised to a googolplex number of times.

wasnt there a dyson sphere in freelancer

>>388188410
there is artificial planet in andromeda

>>388188172
>Doesn't understand quantum physics
>Doesn't even understand basic quantum physics
>"n-n-n-n-o you're wrong! There's no way electrons operate differently under observation!"
Lol
We know about as much about quantum physics right now as they knew about computers in ancient egypt.

>>388178867
X3 Terran Conflict, I seem to remember one of the villain aliens having a hive that looked like one

>>388182726
We are living on one right now.

>>388185814
What do you think memes are anon? Farming is a meme, civilization is a meme, fishing is a meme, governments are memes.

>>388188489
I at least know what it isn't. You're the kind of person who thought the brain was like a series of gears in a clock during the 17th century.

>>388187996
>mfw this is what people think of the Copenhagen interpretation.

Can somebody explain Dyson Spheres to me? I mean by the time you've built a superstructure around a star, what do you need the energy for? YOU HAD THE ENERGY TO BUILD A SUPERSTRUCTURE AROUND A FUCKING STAR.

>>388189034
I thought dyson spheres made the star inside of it not just was built around the star

>>388188819
>I at least know what it isn't
Well it does include time travel.
And it does include literally knowing and being dependent on being observed / not observed.

Whether quantum mechanics has some kind of consciousness or not has been debated, and it can neither be dismissed nor proven because of how little we know about its mechanics.

>>388178867
If the combine can do this, then it really puts into perspective the utter futility that Freeman must've felt to write that letter to whomever is left of the resistance.

>>388189034
It's the ultimate power plant.

>>388189161

Nigga you clearly had the power generation abilities to build a massive sun collecting machine. What more could you possibly need?

>>388189034
refer to >>388188179
and >>388187698

>>388189124
>And it does include literally knowing and being dependent on being observed / not observed.
they became shy?

>>388178948
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECLvFLkvY7Y

>>388189209
Unlimited Power. It's kind of terrifying to put into perspective. Our power sources and technology are sub-infantile compared to that level of tech.

>>388189209
it's the ultimate power creep

>>388189216
Not shy, more like
>"m8 you know I'm a physical object and can't go throw two holes at once, why would you even watch me? Cmon, you know I don't break the rules of physics :^)"
>"Oh fuck no one's watching time to go through both at once lel"

Electrons and a lot of different shit are like Australians. When they know mods (observers) are around, they act differently.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiAj7S6ko9Q

>>388189416
>Implying tesla didn't already come up with infinite power supply but the jews destroyed him and his blueprints

>>388189454
Speaking of Australians and the original topic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jW55cViXu6s

>>388189209
>you had the power to create a nuclear power plant, what do you need the new plant for

>>388179726
Yes. Dang I loved that game!

>>388189454
This is a completely incorrect and woo-hoo explanation of "observation".
Observation isn't done by a person, it's done by something hitting the particle. A dumb program turning on a light that shines on a particle causes an "observation" of the state of the particle. No living being is needed. It's all physics, no consciousness.

>Tfw no dyson gf

It was in Freelancer and it's scary as fuck.
Also, you can build Dyson Spheres in Stellaris.

>>388189209
If you build a sun collecting machine, you could use that energy to build 10 more sun collecting machines, etc etc
You could support any size population of any kind of hyper intelligent organism with that kind of power

>>388190089
Yea that's what some scientists thought might have been the case, so they expanded the test, removed the observation element from the original equation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6HLjpj4Nt4

The result still comes down to our awareness of the result. That's where the time travel kicks in, where there's an alternate possibility that gets stored and loaded based on our awareness of what happened. Sorry m8, but yes, consciousness does quite literally play a role in what occurs at a quantum level.

>>388187996
No you fucking idiot, you can't make an observation without interacting with the elementary particle.
How do you think we detect electrons, we magically trace their path? No we have to fucking hit them with photons, causing electromagnetic interaction.
You are confusing

>>388190346
see
>>388190250
They already tested to see if the device was interfering with the electrons you retard, it wasn't.

>>388190346
*getting confused because you are thinking of particles as in classical mechanics.
Hell, even in the observable macroscopic scale you need an interaction to see things.
You can't see the wall in front of you if photons don't bounce off it.

>>388190437
Then tell me how is the device making the observation Mr. PhD

>>388190250
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delayed_choice_quantum_eraser
You're again falling for philosophers with not even basic mechanics knowledge trying to interpret difficult, but ultimately scientific results. Nothing about the experiment implies people or consciousness have anything to do with physics. I beg you to stop believing in literal philosophical wankery and use some of that philosophical thinking to realize why you've been mislead.

>>388190515
watch
>>388190250

The observations are recorded after the results occur. They are not observed before they go through the 'slits'.

>>388190556
Read your own page, dumb fuck.
Notably the part about retrocauasality.

>>388182726
>Oh hey! I can see my house from here!
>You tell that shitty fucking joke every fucking time we come here jesus fucking christ

>>388188036
Freelancer is casual as fuck, get off you're high horse.

>>388185698
V has both Dyson Spheres and ringworlds. Ringworlds are only useful for turning shit systems into military strongholds, never had enough time to build a sphereworld though.

>>388190749
What about it? The section shows that retrocausality was considered and ultimately rejected as a cause.

>>388190949
Knowledge of the future was rejected, the present altering the past was not.

>>388186624

*tips*

>>388184786
Intelligent life is the death throes of an ecosystem. A suitable planet eventually generates life, life evolves and evolves, a species of smart animals learn to use tools, civilization is created, civilization becomes advanced enough to influence the ecosystem in disastrous ways, but since it's comprised of animals, however smart they may be, it's still driven to reproduce and consume. Expect eventually there's nothing in the ecosystem to balance that drive so they consume what's left of it and die out. Maybe send out a probe with some frozen sperm in the great unknown as the only kind of space travel that's possible.

There's a reason there's no signs of sentient life out there when there should've been lots.

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>>388183425

Or Jesus Christ could come and usher in the millennium which would grant a deathless transition to Resurrected bodies to those that were moral.

But don't plan on it

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>>388191628
>Millenium

>>388191628
If anything the satanic/japanese views of christ ir god would be true, he would come and just kill everyone.

>>388188394
you sound like someone who did lots of lsd. i like that.

>>388191840
I just like horror stories which start out as a paradise and end up being a hellish nightmare. Classic twilight zone was kino.

>>388191763
I still need to finish it. Loved the first one.

>>388179139
I fucking hate you

>>388188394
>The core universe started up the simulation about 40 seconds ago
>muh five Omphalos hypothesis

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>>388191050
>transactional interpretation and its evolutions are still going strong
>mfw free will is a meme and everything is predetermined to happen
>mfw i was destined to be loser neet and waste my time playing videogames
It is so nice to know that everything goes according to some particles keikaku.

>>388192365
Translators note: keikaku means plan.

>>388184206
Three Earths can fit inside your mother's red spot lol

>>388192275
Nah it's a lot different from that, since that theory deals with memory. This is actually a somewhat popular philosophical theory that was popularized during the digital age.
The infinite simulation theory is that, with a computer advanced enough (such as one powered by a dyson sphere funny enough), you could create a miniature universe within it, and time in that universe would be sped up to such an incredible degree (billions of times faster than the host universe at a minimum) that it would begin and end in only a few minutes / hours, then the cycle of that universe would refresh.
The catchall is that the simulation universe would use a simulation dyson sphere to create its own simulation universe, which would fly by at a billion times and so on. This would lead to an infinite number of layers of simulated universes that would all continue to cycle until the original host universe shuts down their simulated universe, but the deeper you go, the "longer" that would take.

The computational power would just need to be beyond our current comprehension.

>>388178867
stellaris, but they are dogshit

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>>388182726
I'd rather not be thrown at Sydney. Sydney is fucking terrible.

>>388192878
The important point to the thought experiment is that the odds our Universe is anything other than simulation are so far approaching 0 as to might as well be.

That is to say, we're not in a "real" Universe.

But if simulation theory is correct, as is implicit in the thought experiment, then there is functionally no functional distinction between the Universes, simulated or otherwise, because the entire point is simulating the properties of the Universe. Meaning, it is functionally identical all the way down - baring fiddling around with a few variables here or there, like testing what a Universe with slightly altered initial conditions.

>>388187234
so a literal children?

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>>388178867
stop it

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>>388186624
gotta love the mental gymnastics of these redditors

>>388179059
>be able to make a structure near the sun
>collect light energy, the shittiest, least efficient and most maintenant heavy source of them all
>instead of just heat
fucking retarded

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>>388178867
Dyson spheres are shit, just build habitats with generators.

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>>388193396
While true, the 'pleasantness' of a universe simulation is the possibility of an afterlife, since it would basically just require a bit of coding in to make any animal that develops sentience to have. With all the unique variables that have already occurred, the additional computing power to maintain said sentience and just toss out memories deemed useless would be so automatic the person wouldn't notice.

But that of course comes down to whether or not the 'host' universe for your particular universe sees your little tidbits of code that has developed a conscious self as being alive and worth giving preservation. That comes down to a question of morality, because if they have reached the point where they can simulate a universe, then it's likely they too would feel as if they are being simulated. With their realization of that having occurred, do they choose to give the next universe down the line 'eternal' life, or do they decide that, even with the relative speed of their universe (and to that extent, the next universe they've created) being so fast that it would feel like an eternity, it's better to let the code that forms sentience cease to exist upon its 'death', since said 'death' is still inevitable regardless.
Or, do they pick and choose exceptionally unique bits of code which made a name for itself and let that code live on, such as the greatest heroes and kings of history, while the rest cease to exist.

It's hard to really say, even though it's fun to think about. The morality and views of existence held by a species so advanced that it can simulate an entire universe near perfectly are almost impossible to imagine since they're so far off from where we're at currently.
Though I wish those fags would have implemented some more cool cheats to find and exploit. Damn no fun allowed life sim devs.

>>388193724
Yeah, all that heat in the vacuum of space- hey, wait a minute!

Why not just eat the sun and move on?

Halo?

>>388193969
It would be fun to see that paraded out in front of masses just for the hell of shitstorm that would ensue.

>>388193969
Not sure I really agree with all of this. The thought experiment works forward nicely, but in reverse there is another implicit feature - namely, the alpha. At some point you need a terminator, and if our Universe, and any Universe we might simulate, are simply imitations - but themselves contingent upon something outside them - well, the experiment doesn't go backward as neatly. You still run into first cause or contingency issues, which casts a lot of doubt on the idea of I guess we could say man-made-afterlife, since that opens the door for a lot of speculation on the matter, like consciousnesses as non-local, and in essence, non-transferable. That is, human bodies as vehicles or avatars, meaning it would not be possible to mere plug in all of the cognitive data of our brains and be "reborn" in a simulation. It would only be hopping avatars.

But that's very wild speculation. Just saying, that running the thought experiment in reverse can get uncomfortable. So all thought experiments.

>>388194365
>Intern fucked up, has to stay late one day and is pissed off, goes up to the computer simulation
>activates God mode
>Picks list of planets with sentient life
>clicks the checkmark for all
>list of sentient species
>clicks the checkmark for all
>list of sentient worlds
>clicks the checkmark for all
>list of sentient nations, languages, individuals and so on
>all all all all all
>Announcement mode, please type in message you would like to deliver, along with the amount they believe this message is not just in their head
>set it to maximum belief
>"You are in a simulation. Your universe is not a real universe, it is a simulated universe. No, there is no way for you to get out and make it into our universe, we're probably a simulation too. My name is Mark by the way, have fun"

I just want to put my brain in a customizable robot body.

I just wish I won in this simulation's lottery and was granted semi-god mode or stuff like that.
Maybe I have to wait to simulate a world of my own for that.

>>388179139
holy shit nigger

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>>388186015
>tfw no geth overlord to get enslaved by

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>>388194220
There's a lot of space between Earth and the sun, too, stupid.

>>388188179
what is his accent? I cant tell at all

great videos though

>>388195737
>implying I gave you permission to use my crop
Woah buddy, overstepping your boundaries a bit don't you think???

infinite space has one at the end, unless I'm misremembering.

>>388178948
Now I want a game where I play as a vacuum cleaner

>>388188179
>mah-tree-yo-s-shi-ka
My ears are bleeding.

>>388196083
compewTOUR

suhfess awea

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>>388193190
who would draw that

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>>388194426
Let's not forget the law of conservation of energy applies to simulated physics as well.
To perfectly simulate a particle you need all manner of calculations run by the interactions of several more in a processor, even in a incomprehensibly efficient program on a near-perfect computer. The mere register for any atom alone would require several more to recall or manipulate it. That would necessitate the sum of coding and storing every particle in a universe would require a computer as or more complicated than said universe or laws of physics so alien to our own that it could reliably be performed more efficiently. That would then mean that universe would be even harder to simulate, making whatever host universe exists to have laws of physics immeasurably more complicated and filled with particles whose interactions defy human cognition.

>>388189701
look at his childish patents you stupid memester fuck

>>388184786
What's that image from? I remember my dad had books with those images when I was younger, really loved to look at those.

>>388196332
>Fake patents created by competitors after the assassination to make him look stupid

No thank you

>>388196076
That game would suck lol.

>>388179495
I fucking love the guy

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>>388179495
>next week is the space warfare sequel

The one from Prey was built around a white dwarf.

Stellaris has them but by the time you can make them you are already assured of winning the game and they are just there to fan your balls

>>388178867
What's the point? A Dyson Sphere is impossible to make. It's nothing but a theory.

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>>388178867
freelancer

>>388178948
the round thing at the bottom of the hoover

>>388179139

this guy is right. You try to humiliate him and make him look like a fool but you really can't refute anything he said.

>building a machine around an object a thousand times larger than earth
>sun contains 99% of the solar systems mass
>everything else is in the 1%

there isn't even enough material in the solar system to build 0.1% of it. dyson spheres are the most retarded thing ever. it would be such an incredible waste of time and resources.

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>>388200389
B-but the UNLIMITED POWAH

>>388200389
Just make a 2D sphere around it, dummy.

>>388200389
That's the fucking point, that if you build aDyson Sphere is because you already colonized fuck ton of systems to build it. It shows the hugefucking ass scale of Combine empire

>>388200657
You can fit a million Earth's into the Sun. And that's just an average sized star. If you could build machines that big, there would be much better ways to generate energy, like fusion on a smaller more portable scale.

Generating energy is one thing, transporting it is another. By surrounding a star you generate all your energy inside the Dyson sphere, but how do you transport that energy around the solar systems? Oh right, you can't. That's why it's retarded. It's like building giant nuclear power plants in the middle of the atlantic ocean far away from civilization.

You're better off just leaving the star as it is naturally, then generate power from a distance, where the energy is already transported for you. It's the most efficient way.

>>388200996
It's just shooting yourself in the foot. You can't transport the energy around the solar system. You gain absolutely nothing from building such a structure.

The fastest way for the energy to travel is to just leave the star naked and generate power from a distance, that's literally how all life on Earth happened.

>>388179452
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF...
>just fucking end my suffering already

>>388200998
No one uses dyson spheres to create energy for empire
They use them to show they can or to do really energy expensive research

>>388200389
They use mine asteroids for all their material retard

>>388201579
or to power galaxy ending weapons

>>388201689
The entire asteroid belt has less mass than the moon. Even with Kuiper belt and other shit flying around it's fucking nothing

The only problem with Dyson Spheres is that too many of them just exist. They're just sort of there, doing their thing.

If your species goes to the obscene effort of building one, it's because you're trying to show off. Put some lights on it, something flashy. Anything to show every sapient species to evolve in your part of the universe what you've accomplished. Make it so that anytime anyone looks up to the stars and imagines travelling through them, they can clearly calculate their utter insignificance and can easily deduce that nothing is waiting for them out there because you ground it down and turned it into a gigantic spherical Fuck You to physics, reason and practicality.

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>>388201943
>tfw you make the best ball ever

>>388201925
Do you not understand that the universe is infinite?

If you have the means to build a Dyson sphere then you have already mastered interstellar travel.

>>388179006
I hope this is re-bait.

>>388202282
There's no reason to hunt down asteroids for a project of such scale, they're just dust compared to planets, and even planets are just ping-pong balls when you're building a fucking dyson sphere

>>388200389
You can take material straight from the sun.

>>388202565
>build a shell to surround the sun
>made out of the sun
You might as well not bother at that point

>>388202530
Nobody builds fucking dyson sphere, it's simply as impractical and dumb as Alderson disk, not to mention that it's probably structurally impossible regardless of material, because it will either be crushed by gravitational forces or implode onto itself. Dyson swarm is another story however. You don't need to cover the whole star either and you can mine out the whole planets at your own pace in order to build the necessary infrastructure.

>>388178867
halo 4
mass effect Andromeda

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>>388202764

>>388202897
Not goalposting, because your argument is dumb anyway. Mercury and Venus alone have the necesaruy amount of usable mass to build a swarm with 1 AU radius, assuming the average mass of 42kg per square meter, which is more than enough for solar captors

>>388193724
what's the difference between heat and light? same phenomena, different energy levels, but depending on the black body temperature of the object, it can generate different amount of power for different frequencies. and dont forget that different collectors can have different absorption coefficients. for example, water easily collect heat (Hz lower than light) and everything with Hz higher than those of UV. partially, that's why human body reflects light, but absorbs heat and higher and more dangerous frequencies of EM fields.

>>388203179
>a swarm
The thread and postchain you're replying to is about spheres, not swarms. Yes, I know that spheres are impractical and stupid.

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Starforge>Dyson sphere, prove me wrong

>>388181693
then why is it called halo? o.0

>>388203381
>not building a Shkadov truster and plunging the whole star system into another star system
>or Nicoll-Dyson Laser and sterilizing the whole galaxy in a matter of thousands of years.
Are you even trying

>>388203381
If you can build a Dyson Sphere you've probably got a few "starforges" lying around gathering dust now you don't need them

>>388203527
It's actually a Niven ring

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>>388203381
Space Station Icarus > Puny Star Forge
This might be the first thread ever where Sentient was relevant again.

It's possibly one of the best games ever made and criminally under-rated because reviewers thought it was hard.

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>>388200998
A Dyson swarm would be used to generate things like Antimatter, micro black holes and kugelblitz. These all function as batteries.

>>388202757
Dyson sphere is not going to be a shell, it's a swarm of megastructures. And yes you might as well bother the gains of a dyson sphere (swarm) are enormous.

>>388203754
No, anon, we're talking about solid shell nonsense. That's why we're differentiating between Sphere and Swarm in the first place.

>>388185319
you made my day

Homeworld, the Karos Graveyard mission.

>>388187946
that is pretty cool but what the fuck is wrong with his speech?

>>388203837
The original Dyson concept was a swarm, because Dyson wasn't a retard. The cpncept of Dyson Sphere as a shell comes from dumb scifi

>>388203916
Speech impediment

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ld3A3QCpXd4

>>388190845
Anon, it's a game you play with nothing but your mouse.

>>388203691
>kugelblitz
Is that anything like bratwurst

>>388178867
You can build them in stellaris

>>388178867
each one of those small "lights" on the outer ring are about the size earth or maybe jupiter if the star is big enough
humans cant comprehend the size of these things so its a retarded concept

>>388203916
It's a damn shame, I'd want him to narrate the Mass Effect codex if it wasn't for his speech defect, when he goes a full sentence without an R his voice sounds really good.

>>388203984
The original Dyson concept was from dumb sci-fi

>>388178867
Stellaris.
You can build your own.

>>388204157
It tastes similar to sauerkraut, but only if you put lasers into it

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Would human beings even be the same if we ever reach to be a type 2 or above civilization on the kardashev scale. I remember seeing a hypothetical documentary (history channel before it was shit) about what advanced alien species of type 3 and above might look like and it basically said with huge advances in robotic augmentation aliens might be way more machine than flesh to help with long space travel time and to have longer life spans.

>>388185516
You create one to power a monstrous VR simulation containing all the minds of your entire civilization, and to power the minds themselves which by this point have enhanced themselves beyond any conceivable level of sophistication and depth. You might occasionally send out colony ships (to make more dyson spheres and more lebensraum) and artificial gamma ray bursts to destroy any burgeoning form of life that could your eternal paradise at some point in the distant future. The final fate of the universe will either be natural destruction, or one half of the thing filled with computers that fulfill fantasies for the other half.

>>388204232
Maybe, but we still call them Dyson spheres. And unlike dyson spheres prototypes from sci fi the swarm can be achieved without breaking the laws of physics, maybe, probably, who knows.

>>388204054
WEWW WEWW WEWW WHAT HAVE WE HEWE

>>388187979
Your friend is busy sucking his own dick right this moment, and you will never know.

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>>388182726
>you will never live in The Culture
god fucking damn every day is suffering
every day I wish I could be picked up by the Mistake Not My Current State Of Joshing Gentle Peevishness For The Awesome And Terrible Majesty Of The Towering Seas Of Ire That Are Themselves The Milquetoast Shallows Fringing My Vast Oceans Of Wrath and shown the wonders of the galaxy

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It's big spoiler. This game deserved to be released on proper console

>>388204247
We probably aren't the same in 100 years or so.

>>388186624
>>388187341
>>388187845
>yfw reality is a shitty open world survival mmo with a pay to win attitude

>>388179495
Hewwo!
Should I expwain something fow you?

What is this? (Some) intelligent discussion in /v/?

>>388204247
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhmIz7BFEj0

>>388187946
Why does he talk so weird?

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>>388178867

>>388204247
Kardashev III would be like gods to us. Hell, Kardashev II can be. A "more machine than flesh" doesn't require so much energy to be true and quite possible within few hundred years, assuming we go into space. Humans are not really made for living in space or on other planets so mechanical or biological augmentation would be pretty much neccesary if you want to cut down the costs of trying to replicate Earth's like enviroment wherever you go. You don't need the POWER OF THE STAR to build yourself a mechanical arm.

>>388203870
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAcjWwFp_aY

>>388200389
Do you realise how little material you'd need to build a dyson sphere/swarm? You could encapsulate the sun with the material of a single planet provided you made it thin enough.

>>388203553
lmao

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>>388180184
>Shit like this is impossible to make

>>388187996
>Quantum physics literally changes when it's being observed. It operates differently.
quantum physics doesn't operate "differently" like it's some different form of existence, quantum physics is how you explain the interactions of matter and energy on a very small scale, but an asteroid or human still is a "quantum" being, it's just that it's big enough that it's much better to make different approximations of how it works (because the quantized energy levels are so tightly stacked that you might as well just pretend that it's a continuum), which is where newtonian physics come in, and on a even bigger scale relativistic physics are more accurate.

>>388179406
Nobody would build a real sphere, because it would be super unstable. In reality it would be more like a huge swarm of smaller space stations which you would basically gradually turn your solar system into.
Supposedly the living space from those in one solar system could be more than colonizing all other planets in the galaxy normally.

>>388204765
He has a speech impairment

>>388186015

And then ME3 just dropped it with one paragraph of text and no other mention so they could have a "muh individuality" plot.

I hate ME3 so goddamn much.

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>>388179406
I wonder if there's beer on the sun.

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>>388179495
>you will never wive in a wotating habitat

>>388180184
>>388205079
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CMB_cold_spot

They are out there and know we exists. We are probably mere ants to them if even that, they don't give a shit. Hopefully.

>>388184958
It's not about inner space, it's about parking space.

>>388204773
>2 level 9 monsters
So how are you supposed to summon this?
Rank 8 and Rank 10 are easily doable, but this is in a weird middle spot.

Isn't we still need to modify our genes because space sucks?

>>388205589
Depends

>>388205210
I thought he was some bad ass Cajun scientist because they have cool accents like Gambit from X-men. I feel bad for the dude now and he makes great videos.

>>388205079
what the fuck is that?

Maybe we're in a Dyson Sphere right now.

>>388205967

>Look up
or
>Wait 24 hours

Your hypothesis has just been disproven.

>>388204247
The machine/flesh dichotomy is irrelevant at that level of tech, they might as well be biomatter, just heavily modified.

>>388205003
Space Elevators are more real than Dyson Sphere.

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>>388180738
>Thinks God created any life outside of Earth.

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Just out of curiosity, would it be feasible not to envelop the entire sun with a structure like this but instead have a 'section' of the sphere be in orbit of the sun?

Kinda like pic related?

>>388206383
>what are angels

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>Dyson Sphere

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kugelblitz_(astrophysics)

>>388206487
Sure, it'd be more feasible than the entire thing.

>>388206383
Why would an omnipotent being create an entire universe and settle for 1 planet with life

>>388206487
You probably could but I don't see why you'd it. Once you've decided to partition the shell you'd probably just build a classical Dyson swarm.

>>388178867
there's one with dyson trees

>>388205343
I fucking love The Final Sacrifice.

>>388195771
yeah and the evergy we get from it is solar radiation; the same thing the dyson sphere collects

c'mon senpai

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>blame game never

>>388206695
Just to wipeout you later and create another universe

>>388206630
Angels are spirits that can manifest and de-manifest into the physical.

>>388206695
Same reason why we'll never permanently settle anywhere other than Earth: God does not will it.

>>388206739
Yeah, first time hearing about a Dyson Sphere.
Guess it makes more sense to compartmentalize if you've decided to partition in the first place.

Makes sense; something goes wrong with one you can just replace it.

Too soon.

>>388207096
they're still beings that aren't particularly part of earth like animals or people are

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>>388182726
imagine living in a planet-sized ringworld that was created with someone with an outrageous sense of flair, so they connected it to two other ringworlds just because they could.

>>388184786
I'm amused about the sloped roofs in that pic, they'd not have snow on a space habitat like that.

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>>388207096
>Overlords will never visit us
At least we have Internet

The Halo books had one

>>388207096
but we did touch the moon and we've even escaped the solar system if we count artificial satellites

>>388207434
Halo also had Shield Worlds, artificial planets with a mini sun core in the middle, and landscape on the inside.

>>388206872
http://bac9.tumblr.com/
not an official blame! game, just a walking sim inspired by it


also this looks pretty neat
http://manifold.garden/

>>388207360
They will never be proven to exist, though. Just as God cannot be proven to exist. Also, I wouldn't presume to think they dwell anywhere other than the spirit realm.

>>388207535
Which are affronts to God that He has repeatedly punished us for.

>>388178867
The first Prey had one, kinda.

>>388178867
Space Empires 4.

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What are some games with ocean worlds?

>>388195905
he apparently served in US airforce, so go figure

>metals form inside stars
>park a magnet near the sun
>it magnets metal from inside
>use bots to start building the sphere
>run out of metal
>sun has produced more
>wait a few years
>profit

>>388207828
KOTOR