Hacks or geniuses?

>>388160634
3 of those men have had some success.

>>388160634
All of them are hacks.
Anyone who defends Kojima is a drone with such shit taste it's unbelievable. it makes sense /v/ sucks his cock in this case.

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Hack or genius?

The question isn't whether they're hacks (they are), the question is who's the biggest hack?

>>388160680
Actually all them did

>>388160634
>no todd

>>388160680
All of Pete's games togheter easily outsold NMS.

>>388160819
a dark knight

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>>388160901
I knew I forgot something

Sean is more of a con man. Replace him with Todd.

>>388160680
Yet only one of them isn't a universal byword for failure or deception.

>>388160634
Going from left to Right.

1. Genius
2. Hacky genius
3. Hacky Hack
4. Literally who?

>>388160981
This is exactly how it feels whenever I go to a populated place being 5'7 and all

>>388160680
And you dislike 1 of them.

>>388161009
That's because Kojima's hackness hasn't been observed for long enough.

kojima: hack and plagiarist

(((levine))): retard who makes a game about pseudoscience he admits he understood nothing about

molyneux: liar who over-promises projects to garner interest from consumers

murray: numale trash who made a boring procedural generation engine disguised as a boring game

>>388160983
Conmen run away with the money. Sean just kept his mouth shut, got to work and is trying to fix his game.

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They all manage to scam people with shitty products. They're geniuses and they know it.

>>388160983
He created The Entrepreneur, a text-based business simulation game about running a fledgling company. "In those days you could literally call a game 'Space Blob Attacks Mars' and sell about 50 million copies. So what did I do? I did a business simulation", Molyneux later said. Molyneux published the game himself in 1984 by duplicating hundreds of tapes on two Tandy Corporation recorders. After taking an advertising space in a game magazine, he prepared for the game's success; he later stated in an interview, "I was utterly convinced that this game would sell tons. I thought, 'You know, this letter box is just not big enough. It's just not going to fit all the envelopes.' So I cut – and this is no joke – I cut a bigger letter box". However, the game received only two orders, one of which Molyneux speculated was from his mother.

Due to the game's failure, Molyneux retreated from game design, and started Taurus Impex Limited—a company that exported baked beans to the Middle East —with his business partner Les Edgar. Commodore International mistook it for Torus, a more established company that produced networking software, and offered to provide Molyneux with tenfree Amiga systems to help in porting "his" networking software."... it suddenly dawned on me that this guy didn't know who we were", Molyneux later said. "I suddenly had this crisis of conscience. I thought, 'If this guy finds out, there go my free computers down the drain.' So I just shook his hand and ran out of that office".Taurus designed a database system for the Amiga, called Acquisition – The Ultimate Database for The Amiga and, after clearing up the misunderstanding with Commodore, the program was released and became a moderate success.

Overrated
Hack
Hack who made a few very good games in his early career.
Why is this fucking hack ever listed, he has never made a good game and the only game he has made of any note was a scam so large it had a tangible negative effect on pre orders.

>>388160983
>>388161268
Fuck thought you said Peter. Whatever Pete's the true scammer in here

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>>388161253
They all made influential games that sold millions and are beloved by many

You are just of no-name NEETS that will never contribute to society in any meaningful way

>>388160983
I mean does Todd even have work on the game so much? He more of a company face, a marketer. He doesnt come up with ideas, code anything etc.

>>388161507
>Bioshock Infinite is a good game
fuck off

>>388160680
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.kongregate.mobile.thetrail.google&hl=de

Molyneux made this.

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>>388161507
>making video games contributes to society

>>388161507
Can you explain what influence they had on the industry?
Hard mode: provide evidence
Dante Must Die mode: do it without resorting to personal attacks

Genius Hack
Hack Hack

>>388161884
muh MGS

>>388161517
Todd is a yes man, he doesn't so much design games as much as people give him cool ideas and he tells them to implement them without thinking about how these concepts work with one another.

>>388160634
Kojima good rest bad.

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>>388160634
Hack or Genius?

>>388162037
What kind of game he made these days? Was Civ VI his own work?

>>388162184
Doubtful. He's probably just a marketing name nowadays, like Clancy

After MGS4 I'm willing to classify Kojima as a hack. Haven't played past that one. But he has some good series under his belt.

System Shock 2 was the only really good game Levine made. Bioshock 1 and 2 were just kind of alright. Infinite was obviously trash, for many hilarious and incredibly hacky reasons.

The only Molyneaux game I've played is Spore. 'Nuff said.

>>388160634

I'd still fuck all of them. What does that say about me?

>>388160634
All hacks.

Kojima is the most polarizing because he's the biggest hack, yet has the biggest following of teenagers and pseudo intellectuals. His games were always ranged from mediocre to bad, but as long as you use symbolism, and make things not make sense, it'll be praised by morons.

Ken is a hack that had an amazing taste of grace with bioshock, but flew too close to the sun with infinite and fell into obscurity.

Molyneux is a man who's ideas and promises are always bigger and better than his deliveries, and everyone has come to know this.

Sean is just a pathetic liar who couldn't deal with the pressure and couldn't find the courage to say exactly what his game was and I stead let everyone hype and talk the game up into something he couldn't ever possibly achieve.

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>>388160634
What about this guy?

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>>388162448

Only edgy contrarians think Kojima is anywhere near a hack

>>388161691
>one game removes all influence they had on the industry, even though the game was in development hell and finally rushed out at the end by publisher

Retard

>>388161884
Peter influenced god games, kojima influenced stealth games and cinematic stories, ken influenced immersion sims

You can find many developers that looked at their games as inspiration

>>388162584
>Peter influenced god games, kojima influenced stealth games and cinematic stories, ken influenced immersion sims
How so?

>>388161769
Explain how it doesn't

>>388162465
Literally a God too good for this shitty world.

>>388162465
>messed up Spore because of EA
>now his name is forever tarnished
He deserve another chance.

>>388162465
He made one bad game because he got buttfucked and decide to quits.

Good call. I miss him.

>>388162704
No, you have to explain how it does.

>>388162636
They made games in that genre that other developers looked at as what to do and not do

>>388162878
Would it be too much to ask for you to actually cite specific examples of times when this happened and provide evidence?

>>388160819
Hustler who knows how to get payed.

>>388162852
They bring people together and bond people with fun times and also games explore themes that help people mature, learn, and grow as a person

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>>388162704
It's entertainment media. It's a product meant to be packaged, and sold. You could say that it gives people jobs at most. It's not unique in doing that.

>>388162584
Ken doesn't really influenced Immersive sim, it was Warren Spector

Ken made one great game called SS2 and it wasn't his own doing. Same thing with Bioshock, seems that some of the bad designs are from him and his crew needs to fix them up.

>>388163154
So are books and movies, yet they help shape society

Kojima is a genius, or at least was a genius.

Molyneux just dreams way too fucking big for him or his team to deliver, but his games are usually still enjoyable and really unique. Fable and Black And White may not have been as ridiculous as he talked them up to be but they were still fun games with loads of personality.

no idea who the guy in the top right is.

and Sean Murray is a total lying hack.

>>388163218
>seems that some of the bad designs are from him and his crew needs to fix them up.
Nice job pulling nonsense from your ass

>>388162950
Yes it would be too much for something you could just google

>>388163308
>Kojima is a genius
What are you, 17?

>>388160634
Kojima is a literal genius
The rest are hacks

>>388163480
No, just someone who played Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty

>>388163480
What are you a 14 year old contrarian?

>be Kojima
>hype game too much
>it's shit
>lol 2deep4u faggots
>lets game be a shit

>be Sean
>hype game too much
>it's shit
>actually work to bring free updates and fix the game

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>>388163298
Contribution, and shape are such broad words though. They can be easily twisted.

>>388163469
Gonna back out as soon as you have to put effort into your argument, huh?

>>388163790
And no matter how you twist it video games have a impact on society, people who post anime reaction image however do not

>>388162428
Spore is not Molyneux's.

>>388160634
I'm willing to give Kojima one more chance to redeem himself with Death Stranding before i consider him a hack.

The rest of them are hacks though.

>>388160819
faggot

>>388163298
>degeneracy is good for you goy!
>muh atheism
>muh feminism
>muh cowadoody
>muh deep pseudo philosphy
>IM A PICKLE MORTY, GOD IS DEAD, WUBABLABADADA

>>388163861
Yes cause im not going to do something that someone else can do easily

>>388163943
>trump

Kojima is overrated, but no hack.
Levine makes functional games that pretend to be smarter than they really are.
Molyneux is a genius and a dreamer, but one that has a dirty tendency to lie, which caused the world to reject him.
Murray is a literally who.

>>388164010

What did he mean by this?

>>388164010
What the hell are you babbling about

>>388160634
kojima is a genius hack and is the reason video games are fucking movies
pete is a hack
no idea who top right is
NMS dude is a genius scammer
sage

>>388164057
>It's too easy
>I won't do it though
Bitch

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>>388163536
Wasn't that good
>>388163552
>I'll just lower the age! That'll show him

Kojima is a conceited hack. End of story.

>>388160634
Geniuses for being hacks. That's the right answer OP

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>>388163943
That circles around the original question. Hack, or genius. One implies their contribution elevates, and the other does not, or harms. In terms of scope, you could say they have had positive contribution to the realm of video game development, or perception, genius To put them on the influence of society, a grander scope, most people in the world, or even in western/eastern society don't know who they are or their work. It can be implied that their works are not influential, hack.

The anime reaction images seem to make people angry here, which I simply find funny. That's on me.

>>388163385
I remember reading somewhere that the original Bioshock was literally SS2 but underwater. Ken wanted Atlas to be unlikeable just like Polito in SS2, until his crew said that it's better to make him likeable to make the twist better, and sparked some internal fights in the team. I'm pretty sure that the whole isn't his own work alone since we got Infinite which is a testament of how shit he is having a George Lucas syndrome.

I can't provide you with some proof since I'm in a middle of my scholarship interview so consider this mercy

>>388164240
I worked like 10 hours today, i come here to do little work

>>388160819
Saint

>>388164657
>just let me shitpost ahh baloo baloo
Whatever bitch, it doesn't matter anyway.

>>388164627
Scope on a larger scale doesn't determine what is and isnt a hack

molyneux is a huge hack but before he got booted after Fable 3 he for some reason had a huge presence in microsoft, where he could tell the higher offs to fuck off and let him do what he wanted to his games. That's why the fable games are so unique, even if they are half-baked.

so he might have been a hack, but he was a hack with presence.

>>388164630
Infinite was in development hell you dolt

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>>388164946
The word used was society. So it actually does.

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Move aside OP, I'll take it from here.

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>>388161507
>NMS
>Influential
>loved by many

>>388165203
People in the game industry are part of society

>b-but my mom doesn't know who they are!

>>388165524
Search up no mans sky killer and see how many newer games are trying its formula

>>388165130
It was development hell where almost anyone relevant to the team left one by one, and the end product was Levine cobbling together shit they were done in the last 6 months

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>>388165546
That goes back to what I said about jobs. Look I'd love to keep talking in circles, but it's now growing tiresome. Have some anime sluts.

>>388165429
Thank you.

>>388165753
There is no position more relevant than the game director, rest are code monkeys and dime a dozen artist

And the publisher forced them to push it out

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>>388160634
Moleyneux is the Steve Jobs of video games. He didn't do anything himself, he was just a marketing man. Despite all the lies people kept gobbling up game after game. Fable 1, 2, 3, Godus, his stupid phone game.
Kojima is an egoist, Sean is a liar, no idea who top right is.

>>388165759
Where is your argument

>>388160634
>Being a miserable NEET

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Who is the picasso of game dev?