I just want to remind everyone that old /v/ loves this game.

Untrue, we shat all over this terrible "game" and how much damage it did to the series story. Nice attempt at revisionist history. Easily the worst game in the series.

>>388159787
4>1>3>2 is the patricians choice

Wrong
It's a really bad game and we all said as much

>>388159960
KYS

/v/ has changed

>>388160073
It did. MGS 4 hate was overwhelming, now you have people pretending it's a good game after MGS V came out. Classic Zelda cycle.

>>388159787
Yeah next you'll tell me old /v/ loved the PS3 and all those "NO GAMES" memes were fake news all along.

No
I remember being in 500+ post MGS 4 threads mocking all the awful shit about this game and getting that one butthurt fanboy going "U GUYS ARE JUST MAD IT'S A PS4 EXCLUSIVE ;_;"

>>388160229
PS3 exclusive* fuck

>>388159787
Fuck you, I liked it: The Game.

>>388159960
>mgs2
>last on any patrician list

you must be thinking of another word starting with p

>>388159787

/v/
>"It's fucking awful REEEE"

>play it
>find it pretty decent despite "loud levels"
>enjoy the cutscenes
>final boss fight most kino moment in the franchise

The only weird shit was Raiden but I enjoyed how the game made me feel about Snake, seeing him slowly die over the course of a game was a strange feel, but felt pretty original

>>388160312
PC version WHEN!?

>>388159915
That describes MGSV perfectly.

>>388160431
More games should do the "protag is past their prime" premise

Seeing that dynamic camo was the most genuine feeling I had of "next gen" gaming since maybe Mario 64.

I thought that the trend in innovation and tech enhancements would continue, but instead we got muh netflix and facebook.

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I never got the hate for the game, it just feels like people jumping on the bandwagon. The high points in the game make up for what few low points I experienced.
I do think the game should've ended with snake shooting himself and rolled the credits the second you hear the gunshot.

>>388159787
It was pretty garbage by MGS standards. But then MGSV game along and set a new low.

>>388160876
The story is a complete trainwreck riddled with holes that farts watery diarrhea all over everything that came before it, kind of like what Johnny does every time he's on screen, which may have led to him being a cryptic metaphor for the game.

The gameplay is great for the four hours of it you get to enjoy.

>>388160518
Last gen was pretty prime with old man protags. Old Snake in MGS4, Old Ezio in AC: Revelations, Joel in TLOU.

>>388160876
>it just feels like people jumping on the bandwagon
Because that's exactly what it is. This happens with other games as well.

>>388159787
i love MGS4.

>>388159787
>tfw is the only game in the series to actively make me mad at how bad it was

I barely finished it. What a fucking shit show.
The final fist fight and ending were the only good part.

>>388161021
Its funny how every complaint about MGS4 can easily be said about MGSV too. Why do people still think Kojima is a great story teller?

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>>388159787
I enjoyed it a lot. I wouldn't say it was the weakest, more in the middle ground. Really, I'd say V and Peace Walker are the weakest of the mainline games but I still consider them good games.

>>388161283
>Its funny how every complaint about MGS4 can easily be said about MGSV too.
Yes, and?
>Why do people still think Kojima is a great story teller?
Because they haven't seen enough decent movies and/or books yet. I use to be the same and thought the entire Metal Gear series was really deep and well written, looking back on it today it's incredibly preachy yet never had anything new to say nor provided a unique point of view. Not to mention the overarching story was inconsistent, contradictory and riddled with holes and failed to develop any of its characters in any meaningful way. And then there's the fact that many of its so-called "brilliant" ideas were ripped straight from various other sources.

MGS never had a good story, the gameplay always made it work, and even then you could still find better alternatives on the market even back then.

>>388159787
I liked it. The only part that bothered me were the Naomi/Otacon and Meryl/Johnny moments.

>>388161984
The Naomi/Otacon moments were the best part of the game though.

>Naomi: I literally cured cancer but am randomly going to kill myself just because lol
>Otacon: ABLOOBLOOBLOO NAOOMI

>>388159787
Only the first two acts are good the rest is shameless fanservice. Also when you go back to shadow moses island it's really fucking gay. There's also multiple literal hour long exposition dumps. Octocamo and stress was a good idea though, but they should have made it not recover when enemies are nearby

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3 > 1 > 2 > 4 > V > PW.

Is Portable Ops decent?

MGS 4 is trash

>>388164272
Nah

>>388164149
This is garbage taste from someone whose first game was MGS3.

So good

So many payoffs and nostalgia moments

So many incredible bosses

Easter eggs, secrets, MGO until it became flodded with hackers

Even with all the cutscenes, it's still glorious and it shits all over V

>>388164149
>V > PW.
I know you're misleading on purpose, but could you think of anything better than this?

>>388161628
>even then you could still find better alternatives on the market even back then.

As someone who really liked the unique intersection of story and gameplay the first three mgs games presented, what are some of those better alternatives I should look into? Looking for new shit to play

MSGV and MSG4 are both great

>>388160146
I really liked it even before V was out

>>388159787
...so?

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I love all MG games equally.

>>388165375
Try the Thief games and Deus Ex. If you're looking for pure stealth then try Splinter Cell. If you're looking for hours of cutscenes full of preachy melodrama and convoluted tweests then try any post-SNES Square game.

>>388159787
The game was literally made to be as horrible as possible and completely destroy the series and everything that came before it, and people still defend it. Kojima was laughing in your face when Meryl married the diarrhea man.

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>>388168213
Huh, it's almost as if Kojima was done with the series after Snake Eater, and he was being forced to make an unnecessary finale.

>>388159787
I like this game. But then again i also like twin snakes so I'm sure I'm a vast minority.

>>388164579
Actually it's almost spot on. Just flip 1 and 3

>>388159787
Fuck that, /v/ shit on it hard.

>>388164579
>>388165292

peace walker is absolute garbage. at least V is fun to play.

PW has a retarded story and the gameplay is atrocious.

i liked this game

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>It's another 'Charlie posts on /v/' episode
Sage.

>>388160146
there was 4 defenders too. They were usually retarded and basically shut their ears off at any actual critisisms on the game. Even denying the fact there's literally more cutscenes than game or saying that's a positive.

>>388161021
I cant even say the game is great. Act 3 is pure unadulterated shite from a gameplay perspective. The whole act is a fucking escort mission, then that fucking clusterfuck of a bike sequence, then some bitch pretending she's a shittier Rathalos fight.

I have always thought it was a good game despite its massive flaws, and now that every MGS after has been worse I love it even more

>>388159915
>>388160498

Not that anon but honestly, I can't agree. Venom's presence doesn't REALLY change much, it just fills a very minor plothole with an overly convoluted explanation (like Rogue One did with the Death Star's weakness.)

MGS4 actively revises much of the history of the series and recontextualizes almost every interesting and supernatural thing that's happened since MGS1 as nanomachines.

It really kind of pissed me off. I actually really enjoy the game and the WAY much of the story was told. At the end, after the Ocelot fight, I was emotionally drained because it was so cathartic but, thinking back, it's all spoiled by the shitty retcons that were completely unnecessary within the context of the story they were trying to tell.

>>388170734
https://boards.fireden.net/v/search/filename/Gaming%20Brit%20Show/
>It's another me stalking this guy on /v/ who likes to accuse people of being TGBS for defending MGS4
You changed the filename though, pretty sure you've done this like 10+ times now

>>388168658

>Unnecessary

A game following MGS2 was absolutely necessary but I don't think MGS4 was it. MGS2 should have been the end of Snake's story, passing the torch on to Raiden in a sense. MGS4 should have followed Raiden trying to retrieve Sunny rather than the massive time skip we got. Snake would make cameos but it wouldn't be his story.

MGS4 was a lot better when I first played it.

Replaying it recently I definitely see the flaws but there is a good amount I do enjoy about the game. Ocelot for one (as always) put on a fantastic performance, and I do think the final scene was very good. Especially looking back now, big boss came to terms with everything and accepted what the bosses actual will was.

V expanded upon that greatly as you see big boss, skull face, and zero trying to carry out what they think is the boss's will.

>>388171689
>*for defending MGS4 episode

>>388160498
Sure. What's the argument here? If you hate MGS4 you love MGSV?

>>388160450

Right after the Legacy Collection comes to Steam.

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>>388159787
Never played a Metal Gear game. Give me the basic gestalt on what each one brings to the table (not gonna play handhelds, btw).

>>388171953
1-4 great all brilliant
PW was alright, you can emulate it or get it on PS3
V fuckin sux but if you really really like open world games you might like the gameplay

>>388171467
How did rogue one use a convoluted explanation? It can be boiled down to

>they stole death star blueprints to discover a weakness and died in the process

How is that overly convoluted?


>MGS4 actively revises much of the history of the series and recontextualizes almost every interesting and supernatural thing that's happened since MGS1 as nanomachines.

You could say the same of MGS2

"There's no such thing as luck or the supernatural, only cutting edge technology

-Revolver Ocelot

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no we fucking didn't, everyone turned it into a meme that it was a movie.

>>388171953
1-3 are great games
4 is dogshit unless you want a 10 hour movie that ruins the rest of the series
and 5 is shit with repetitive missions and empty world but good game mechanics

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Was it kino?

>>388172387
MGS4 gat sum really good gameplay though but some acts are really boring on repeat playthroughs
Can you give it that

>>388172243
>because there's memes people don't like it

That is a long running mgs joke that the fans say all the time. It's funny, doesn't mean we don't love it.

>>388159787
The game suffered from some stuff. Namely having to explain EVERYTHING and using terrible explanations (Vamp being nanomachines was stupid in a world that already had supernatural elements).

That said it was fun, had some great moments, and ending was a good (if goofy) twist.

I'm actually really hoping for a MGS4 remaster at some point. Or at least a fucking PC version so I can play at more than 1024x768 or whatever the PS3 cranked it out at.

>>388172080

I suppose I used the wrong term; it's not convoluted from a plot perspective, it's just this big, bombastic, expensive movie that really comes down to explaining why the Death Star had a stupid critical flaw.

Also, Ocelot said that quote and was immediately refuted by Fortune deflecting the bullets anyway. MGS1, 2 and 3 firmly established supernatural forces in the world and MGS4 took most of the supernatural plot points they reasonably could and explained them away with nanomachines.

The most jarring are ones they didn't really need to explain, like Vamp. MGS2 set up a pattern that indicated that Vamp was revived by water. Just...kill him away from water and burn the corpse or something.

>>388172471
A little

>r-retcons!
Hardly. There were some minor ones but it was more like Hideo steered his own Ip in a way that disagreed with some people's head canon.

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>>388172526
No but MGS4 is literally a movie, there is almost no substantial gameplay past Act 2.

>>388172717

They weren't explicitly retcons but having every supernatural element important to the story come down to nanomachines seemed to fly in the face of a world which had heavily established itself as supporting supernatural things.

>>388172589
I'd just be happy with a port, MGS4 looks really good already. I'd feel bad for the guy working on MGO2R but it would be awesome if they got MGO2 back up officially in new versions.

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I like how ypu guys always have an MGS thread up, pop in for a few laughs, get some nice info and opinions

>>388172498
act 1 and 2 are good, yeah

>>388172668
>Also, Ocelot said that quote and was immediately refuted by Fortune deflecting the bullets anyway

True. But I still don't think nanomachines are too big a problem. You're talking about a world that is controlled to an extreme extent by large forces through means of highly advanced technology. I think there's room for both of these things in the universe, and come on do you just want vampires being natural in the universe? It makes sense, mgs2 never explicitly said vamp wasn't under the influence of nanomachines. And they were always there since the first game.

>>388172080
>"There's no such thing as luck or the supernatural, only cutting edge technology
>-Revolver Ocelot
A few seconds later, he gets proven wrong, you dumbass.

>>388159787
Good job showing how new you are

>>388172065
4 is trash and you're trash too

>>388173952
>falling for patriot ruses

When will you sheeple learn?

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>>388174021
This.
Seriously why have I seen so many 4 apologists on this board within the last month? I can't think of a single game that did more collective damage to the in game universe than MGS4 and yet here people are saying 'it wasn't that bad' or 'no one cared about that stuff anyways'.

>>388174248
The thing is MGS4 didn't really counter anything in the previous games, there aren't really any clear contradictions. It's just that there is a fair amount of ambiguous points in mgs. All MGS4 did was expand and build upon things, if you didn't like that then fine. But don't act like MGS4 actively went against all canon facts and just turned MGS into something it wasn't, because that is just not right.

>>388174248
what damage did 4 do to the story

>>388174514
There are a bunch of nonsensical or straight out unnecessary contrivances in MGS4's plot that exist only so that this game can exist.
>Codec team from MGS3 are the Illuminati
>EVA was the surrogate mother for Les Enfants Terribles
>Raiden was used as an experimental dummy for the Patriots despite the Patriots having technology for cyborgs as shown in 2
>Dr. Madnar who gets blown up on screen in MG2 is now alive and well
>Big Boss who was incinerated in MG2 was reconstructed from Liquid and Solidus
These are just all unnecessary and these are just off the top of my head, like I said these only exist so that a game after MGS2 can exist when there's no reason for it to exist.

>>388174781
https://boards.fireden.net/v/search/text/Codec%20team%20from%20MGS3%20are%20the%20illuminati/
holy fuckkk whole story completely ruined immersion broken

>>388174781
>Dr. Madnar
im sure that was a different one, the wiki doesnt say hes in 4

>>388175783
Could be, I don't think it's ever expanded upon in one way or another and it is pretty minor. The rest are still valid.

>>388174781
I think Biggie being burned in MG2 isn't cannon
http://www.ign.com/boards/threads/so-big-boss-was-burned.96553262/
12th post?

>>388174781
>Codec team from MGS3 are the Illuminati

They're just original founders of an organization that spun out of control, all from zeros will. So what.

>EVA was the surrogate mother for Les Enfants Terribles

Someone had to be.

>Raiden was used as an experimental dummy for the Patriots despite the Patriots having technology for cyborgs as shown in 2

And? Technology can't progress? New things can't be tried? Call him grey fox 2.0 if you want but this isn't an issue.

>Dr. Madnar who gets blown up on screen in MG2 is now alive and well

Where? I don't remember this.

>Big Boss who was incinerated in MG2 was reconstructed from Liquid and Solidus

I forgot what exactly happened but even if it isn't that far fetched for this series. Again you don't have to like it but don't act like this contradicts anything.

>>388160146
This. Anyone who was around for even a few years after release will be able to tell you /v/ shat all over the game.

>>388173893

I agree, there's room for both.

So why was almost every plot point in MGS4 explained away with nanomachines?

They established Ocelot's link to the supernatural through The Sorrow. Why not let that plot ride out to its natural conclusion by letting him actually be possessed by Liquid? If not that, why not let Vamp actually be something that defies death (it doesn't have to be an actual vampire since the game makes it clear that he chooses to drink blood, he doesn't need it)?

MGS4, for some reason, seemed set in a world where anything that appeared to be supernatural was just smoke and mirrors -- the literal interpretation of your quote -- when the other games clearly had room for both.

>>388176296

You understand that the Patriots and the surrogate mother for Les Enfants Terribles all being the side characters from MGS3 is a ridiculously huge contrivance, right?

It just feels....lazy.

someone remind me why naomi had nanomachines

I watched the entire thing and I dont remember them ever explaining it, just cutscenes of her using needles to surpress it and telling snake NO TIME TO EXPLAIN

>>388159960
We would be good friends.

>>388160876
thats not how it ended though. Did you not finish the credits?

lmao if you thought that was the end.

>>388167426
Those are some pretty weak recommendations; you must not play many games. Deus Ex is the only one you mentioned that actually had a story that wouldn't have been told more effectively through a different medium.

>>388177210
she had cancer

>>388171953
MG1 is basically as simple as it can get if you follow the codec, along with quick timing work
MG2 is an extremely complicated situation where everyone is on duty off-screen, you have to be very clever, you can craft which becomes a necessary virtue later on, and the plot and backstories gets more intertwined with fine detail and progress of the game
MGS1 is where you throw out almost everything you do in MG2, except for the story detail and codec follies; gameplay styles from the second MSX game become very irrelevant, as the game is essentially 3D now; the cleverness of the game is more dumb, but that doesn't come as a surprise, considering that this is literally the first canon game that the US could see in whole that becomes relevant to the series onward, everything needs an introduction to noobs.
2 gives you more flow and ability, which makes completing it seem easy as piss; but the difficulty is well adapted per area
3, you just spend your time in a forest, LOTS OF IT. CQC is vastly improved and the AI gets features like being able to hear sounds from different floors. Bosses like The Sorrow are a work of art, would recommend playing.
TTS puts what makes MGS2 into MGS1, completely breaking the levels. Too damn easy, perhaps this should be your go if you're that dumb for the original.

I have not played the games in a very long time though, so feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

>>388159787
Don't you call it game.

Objective ranking coming through:
2>1>3=GZ>4>V>PW>PO

>>388159787
This was the only MGS game I ever actually completed
And I beat it like, "DSP" style too. I was ass at sneaking and after fucking up once I'd end up killing like 30 troops.
>Too stupid to play MGS correctly
:(

>>388174663
Nothing that 2 didn't already do. Ignore the memers.

>>388159787
people with PS3s loved it
/v/ hated it because they only had wii dildos are xbox with no games

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>>388164149
3>2>1
almost perfect taste

>>388159915
>Easily the worst game in the series.
MGS V apologists make me sick.

>>388160146
Compared to V. It's a good game compared to V.

>>388160431
>"loud levels"
What are you even on about, cockbreath? The problem were the 9:00 hours of cutscenes between the sweet, sweet gameplay.

>>388171953
>Give me the basic gestalt on what each one brings to the table
No, go play one, you needy bitch.

>>388180350
>Doesn't like Twin Snakes
Stopped reading there.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DP29E9MljaE

>>388180350
now you're just being nasty

>>388176961
Why though? These are all capable individuals who took part in a highly classified mission which determined the fate of America. They were Zero's comrades and they were proven. Could it have been more expansive and better? I guess

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>>388180635
You must be 18 or older to post on this site.

>>388180635
Fucking wow people told me not to play twin snakes because the cinematics were super acrobatic and shit and they weren't fucking around
This is kinda funny though, I'd play it just for the fuck of it
Was the voice acting really that bad?

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>playing mgo2
>server host is topscoring
>his skill is becoming challenged so the fag starts whining about glitchers and cheaters
>unplugs his ethernet
I fucking hate these people

>>388181086
Was this recently on mgo2 revival?

>>388159915
Fuck you faggot, I liked it and defended it back then and I still do today.

>>388159915
FPBP

>>388159915
I feel like I played a completely different MGSV than a lot of other people on /v/

>>388159787
I like every canon game in the series with PW being my least favourite and either 1 or 2 being my favourite. 4 and 5 were both solid games.

>>388159787

Can confirm you're a faggot, become an hero.

/v/ has always dumped on this game for good reason, considering you watch it as much as you play it. And that's not even counting the load/install times.

That, and bumfights on Mt. Snakemore.

you faggots dont a single proof that old /v/ (pre 2010) shat on this game

>>388182825

memes weren't as structured then. There were more people who frowned upon copypasta.

>>388182938
And we were better for it.

>>388180920
I have heard it is Hal telling the story, which he exaggerates because he sees snake as a hero and what not bit I haven't played the game so idk if that's true.

>>388159787
I shat on it because of how run and gun you could play the game. And then like two months later I started shitting all over its fanfic tier story.
That said, I said it then and still retain that Octocamo is REAL FUCKING COOL.

>>388159960
I've literally never met anyone so stupid.

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HULLO FUCKMUNCHES
2>1>5>3>>>4>PW

>>388184960
>Referring to V as 5
>V anywhere other than bottom
Brainlet dicklet manlet cuck confirmed

>>388180518
uh how about the first level? smegstain

>>388159787
Old /v/ can fondle my balls

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>>388185103
How will I ever recover?

Objectively correct ranking:

3>1>2>5>pw

>>388185103
This. MGS5 will be announced by kojima next year.

>>388159960
This is unironically patrician as fuck if you reverse the arrows.

>>388181832
yes

the real ranking is 2>1>3>gz>>>4>V

>>388186547
Swap 3 with 1 and you're perfect.

>>388159787
>MGS2 got ported to the Shield, something that literally no one owns
>instead of porting the HD collection to PC and PS4 which would fucking print Konami money
>instead of making a MGS4 HD version which would take less effort than making a retarded tower defense zombie game no one wants

how is it possible for a company to be this retarded, this out of touch and still afford to keep its lights on?

I think it has the most refined gameplay of the series.
The amount of shit you could do controling Snake.
The only gripe I have is mantling to higher ground being clunky.
Drebin had some cool ideas, just wasn't implemented as well as he could have been. The customization was great though.
I really wish MGO2 was still available.

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Actual best mgs coming through. Is it playable with an emulator?

2>1>3>V>PW>4

>>388159787
I want old /v/ to come back

>>388188352
NOT CANON
O
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C
A
N
O
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3>4>2>1>PW>V

>>388159787
Easily my favorite MGS

>>388188474
Just means that Hackjima is jealous that someone other than him made a game with better story and characters than him. I mean Gene is superior to whoever was in PW and WHOOOO. And Calling to the Night is objectively the best metal gear theme song of them all. Makes for a better missing link than the one that was supposed to be it.

2>4>1>3>PW>V

Fuck big boss and any game involving him. He's boring as fuck.

>>388188893
PO was pretty crap honestly and doesn't really add anything other than "this is how BB got some money".

>>388188352
Better than piss wanker for sure. Sad I never got to experience the multiplayer.
>Is it playable with an emulator?
Yeah, controls a lot better as well.

>>388182780
If I see Snake smoking one more time...

>>388184960
>2>1
>5>*
Were you raised by a single mom?

>>388185307
>3>1
Get out.

>>388187895

Turns out a bunch of mobbed up middle age Nip suits don't know much about videogames