When will it end?

These prices need to fucking drop.

>>388135924
I thought those stupid currencies tanked, what happened?

>>388136043
False scarcity by GPU companies

I call it 'The Nintendo'

Never. Cryptoniggers will always exist because so long as there is a shitty get-rich-quick scheme.

Hope you're ready because those faggots have ruined any chance of getting a cheap and decent graphics card ever again.

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>bought the 1080 before all this shit took off

blame miners

Just get the single fan version...twas only $220 :)

You can buy a 1070 for $450 right now, what is the point of a $550 1060?

>>388135924
buy a 1070 you fucking low budget shitter

console master race

but its listed for 380$ right now, just checkd

>>388136353
I bought one a few months back for $370 though.
Did I get lucky and catch them when they bottomed out?

>>388136448
That's still exorbitant. A *60 usually goes for ~$200

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I just bought a 1050ti for $150

Seems pgud. I might SLI if I feel like I need to upgrade but it's basically a better 770 with more vRAM and lower power usage.

I wanted to get a 1070 but they're 600 goddamn dollars.

>>388136353
>could sell my 480 BLACKED edition and buy a 1070
>too lazy to ebay and ship it out

>>388136353
why get a 1070 for that much when the 1080 is $500

>>388136481
I got a 1070 off Amazon for $370 back in May. I'm glad I got it before the market inflated

I got a RX470 for $180 near release but I really want a sub $400 GTX1070. Hopefully prices stabilize by the time the next generation of GPUs arrive...

>>388136557
that seems extremely cheap for the 6gb, they really go that low? theyre nice cards

>>388136909
nvm i forgot im canadian

>>388136283
The 1080 is mostly unaffected since it's not that great at mining

>>388136909
IIRC, MSRP was supposed to be $250ish.

new line of cards comes out next year, so why not just wait?

>>388137490
>next year
i want it noooowwww

I was going to build a new PC this summer and it ended up being cheaper to buy a fucking gaming laptop. This shit is backwards.

>>388136710
Because $450 is less than $500.

>>388136131
>False scarcity

Nope, otherwise here in Norway we'd have the same problem.
But we don't, I'm able to easily find RX 570s. 580s, 1060s and 1070s for proper prices.

It's all the miners in the US that buy into get-rich-quick schemes, and the retailers who allow them to purchase two dozen cards at once.

>>388137704
Post specs and price please, currently shopping around for a new laptop.

>>388135924
Im praying i can get an AIB vega56 for msrp and not over $500

>>388136283
>go to newegg
>1080 prices the same all under 600.
The 1080 and ti aren't as cost effective as these cards, their GDDR5X memory doesn't make them great for mining. So enthusiasts are safe. Poor fucks, not so much.

>>388135924
>tfw bought a barely used 1070 for only 300 bucks before the mining bubble

feelsgood.geotiff

>>388135924
I don't know, i remember buying my first card (650 ti) for $120 a few years ago.

>>388135924

literally bought that card 2 days ago for $230. Shop around

>>388135924

>cheap-ass who only needs a 1050ti
>$90 after mail-in rebate

feels fucking great.

guys i'm still using a 660, not even ti, just regular 660

what the fuck do i do

>>388139069
This, OP purposely picked a card with a bad price, you can easily find them for less than $250 now. They USED to be insanely expensive but less so now. 1070's are still, overpriced though, they're not worth $450.

>>388139274
That's below the minimum requirements of most games dude, Just get an RX 560 or GTX 1050/1050Ti.

I want to get a 1070 but 1080's prices don't seem to be as bad as I though. It's a good idea to get a 1070 or just get a 1080 for 540?

>>388135924
You faggots don't even need a card this powerful, any 900 model will literally run whatever you want it to (maybe crisis or metro would be a stretch), but come on, will the extra 8-12 frames it adds be noticeable, stop buying into this more than 4gb is better meme.

>>388139274
Save up and upgrade to something high end that hasn't had its price fucked over by miners. 1070, 1080, 1080ti, etc.
The higher you go, the less you get jewed by markup thanks to miners, and more future proofing you get.
Going for a middle of the road card right now will leave you fucked.

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>>388139583
>8-12 frames
>not noticeable

>>388139776
>paying ludicrous amounts of money for a slight performance increase that I guarantee you won't notice.

>have a Freesync monitor
>Fury X's are overpriced
>Vega is out of stock or overpriced and will likely be for months
>Vega 64 is garbage and barely better than the 56 but costs more
Should have went with Gsync, it's too freaking expensive though.

>>388140252
>AMD
You're better off with pretty much anything else anyway.

>>388140252
my freesync screen is going to waste too, shits lame

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>>388139583
>You faggots don't even need a card this powerful

What if I want to max out games?

>>388135924
When the last miner is dead.

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>Got a 1070 for $350 a year ago

My PC has actually appreciated in value over the past year.

>>388140541
a 900 will Max out whatever the fuck you want it to ?

>>388140405
Hey now, AMD finally released a good CPU after 6 years of nothing but trash.

>>388140727
no ?

>>388135924
Only if someone ever finds a way to design a GPU that improves mining but has no effect in gaming, otherwise it will get worse.
They're already releasing mining driver ffs

>>388140634
Mah nigga. Same here.

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>be a 240hz/1080p gamer
>CPU is much more important than GPU for 240fps
>unaffected by miners

feels nice

>>388140819
Such a fucking shame about VEGA though, I had such hopes for it. I was going to do a watercooled Team Red build and give my current 6700K + 1070 build to my sister.

>>388140838
on new shit the lowest I've ever had it fall to was 45, even then it still isn't choppy in the instance.

Got an Asus ROG Strix 1080 for $400 back in May.
Pricing mistakes are a godsend.

>>388140541
A 980 will max out pretty much anything at 1080p, the only limit is 4GB of VRAM so you might have to turn down textures to high instead of very high. 1060's have come down a little though so it might be better to get a 1060 now. 980Ti is still pretty good at 1440p, unfortunately both 980Ti's and 1070's are overpriced. If you have 1440p your only option is the 1080 whose price largely hasn't changed much.

>>388135924
think i'll wait for the 1180 to upgrade my toaster

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I just dropped 2k on a 1080ti and new monitor. Why are you all so poor?

>>388141007
I got, for $20, a 1TB SSD which was supposed to cost $500

Feels gud

>>388141193
Post the receipt page or you're lying for attention, my underage buddy.

>>388141129
Volta isn't coming out until Q2/2018 unfortunately. Vega's launch was so bungled by AMD that Nvidia literally won't bother releasing any new GPU's for Christmas, they're just going to keep marketing Pascal.

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>>388135924
1-2 years
(((they))) are onto the crypto ponzi and will push it higher before crashing this plane with no survivors.

>>388139602
Is GTX 1060 middle of the road? What if I only want 140 fps at 1080p?

>>388135924
When nvidia wants it to.
Their cards aren't used for mining, amd's are better for that, it's just nvidia doing what it does best, being jewish.

>>388141007
>Pricing mistakes are a godsend.

I love those got my PC (6600K + 1070) for a $400 off during Black Friday last year. It's a pre-assembled rig put together by the shop (Scandinavian PC parts retailer), and I'm impressed at the quality of the build.
Components wise, it's identical to what I was going to go for anyway, but thanks to the mistaken $400 rebate I managed to get it for the cost of an i3/1060 based system.

>>388141640
Depends 100% on the game. Hitting 144Hz is a crapshoot, in a lot of games you may get CPU bottlenecked before GPU bottlenecked, and some games might have high average framerates but drop when the action starts. You can only figure out what parts you need by looking at benchmarks for your favorite games.

>>388135924
So is $4000 enough to build a system that will last me 5 years?

>>388142370
Yes, easily. Maybe even longer if you take good care of it, but I'd wait for the next gen to release.

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Upgrade GPU or wait a couple months and get w new rig?

>>388142370
>$4000
don't, unless you're some 4k elitist

>>388142370
That's overkill-tier, tbqh.

I built my current rig about 5 years ago for about $1.2k, and aside from one GPU upgrade its still going strong.

>>388135924
Oh that's ni-
>Price
Wtf.

Still rocking my GTX 750ti

how much can you even make from mining anyways?

>>388142370
1k is more than enough for 5 years.
I bought mine for 800$ 4 years ago and I can still run most games at at least high settings

>>388143189
nothing

unless you get free power and own a warehouse you wont make a cent.

>>388143189
Almost nothing, there are factory-sized mines in China. I don't know how people are so stupid to buy into GPU mining now

>>388140019
Your guarantee means nothing to anyone.

>>388143189
Dude you can make a fortune buy GPUs now!

>>388135924
I literally built my first pc with this card the day before this shit happened I was so God damn happy

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>>388142370
$4000 will get you a hilariously powerful PC.

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>>388144170
>putting a 1800X in a dream computer

Literally WHY

For that price you can buy an insanely overclocked 10 core 6950x, or two of the 22-core xeons and put them into a dual socket board

Neither which will lose to a $60 pentium in video games

>>388144170
>almost $250 PSU
Are these even worth it?

>>388144915
>not Threadripper

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>>388144170
This whole build is retarded. Here is what you should actually buy if you have $4000 to burn:

- A Quadro P6000
- A golden 6950X from siliconlottery or similar binning service
- 256gb of quad channel RAM, dedicate 216gb of it to a RAMdisk which you put your games on for truly instant load times
- 1tb m.2 SSD
- 12tb HDD
- 240hz 1080p monitor and 8k 60hz monitor
- UPS of your choosing

>>388144997
Even if you're doing insane overclocking I've found Gold is enough. I'm guessing Platinum is either for LN2 overclocking or when you're running a server and absolutely cannot have power issues (You would also need an UPS as well).

>>388145202
Platinum and gold and such ratings have nothing to do with the output of the PSU, they only describe how energy efficient the device is.

>>388145197
The new Titan Xp is basically the Q6000 without certified drivers so it's a lot cheaper. The only reason to shell out for a Quadro is if you're doing professional computations or rendering and need driver certification for liability reasons.

>>388142370
Usually $1,000 is enough, but with GPU prices this messed up it might cost you more. $4,000 is beyond overkill.

>>388138046
but the performance increase between 1070 and 1080 is well worth the 50$

>>388145452
>The new Titan Xp is basically the Q6000 without certified drivers so it's a lot cheaper.

Nope, Titan XP is a different architecture. Has less CUDA cores and less memory.

Is there a trustworthy non-shill site that compares GPUs?

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>>388135924

what a cuck

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This guy is about 6 years old now. Feeling the urge for a new rig. Duno if I should just upgrade the graphics card and wait for next gen or not. Not too knowledgeable about monitors but do I need 144Hz for 1080p? Also have never dusted the thing and have stock fans, thus the high temps...

>>388135924
you're a fucking normie who isn't trying to look.

>>388135924
try actually looking around, loser.

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814126201&cm_re=asus_gtx_1080-_-14-126-201-_-Product

>>388138420

same I'm getting vega56 for $400 not one dollar more

and fucking undervolting it - not sure if you saw the benchmarks, when undervolted it actually can overclock the memory controller and get 25%-40% faster speeds than a 1070 using only 20w more.

people say if the BIOS wasn't locked by AMD it would hit vega 64 levels of performance

pretty sad that they had to hinder the audience to not cannibalize their own lineup, something that they shat on intel a lto for in the past.

>>388139079

honestly the 1050ti is fine

>>388139274
i'm using a 4GB gtx 760 i got used for $40 (50 afer shipping) from goodwill. i can play everything I want to. :/

>>388139583
its really more like 5-7 frames if you get a 970 or 980ti, used.

>>388140252

I found an R9 Fury Nano going for $250, I was gonna pick it up but figured I can wait for Vega Nano.

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>>388140968
Vega is like all AMD hardware, crippled by AMD's drivers.
They'll get better, they may even catch up to the unofficial Mesa driver some day.

>>388146995
The fuck? What's the default setting? High, medium or low setting?

>>388142370
4000 is beyond over kill, you're flying past extreme tier and straight into pure insanity. Unless you want to build a 1080ti SLI (not worth it so don't) you don't need to spend that much for a powerful 4k60fps build.

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You're actually better off buying prebuilts with these retard prices

>>388143726

what if you break into someone's warehouse and set up a computer and mine from that computer

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>>388135924
I said mining was going to kill PC gayming and you faggots didn't believe me

>>388147632
PC gaming is really facing a lot of threats right now, the ever increasing cost of traditional discrete hardware is one of the big ones and its likely to only get worse as time goes on and the ever increasing prices reduce high end hardware to a smaller and smaller niche.

AMD's problem with mining is that on Linux their drivers are open source, and much higher performance than their Windows driver so they can't easily cripple their cards in software like Nvidia can and they can't escape the problem that their cards are either going to be reasonably priced for their mining/gaming performance on Linux, or way overpriced for their gaming performance on Windows.

We could very easily face another dark age for PC gaming like we did in the 00s, likely the thing that will save it the next time around are cheap SOC based systems capable of playing current games and indie games that are on the verge of being released today but which will really hit their stride 5 years or so from now.

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Getting this tomorrow lads. Wish it'd be cheape, but I doubt prices are dropping anytime soon.

>>388144170
1 week of work.

>>388149352
Where are you working that's earning you $800 a day?

>>388148446
>gigabyte
enjoy your card melting

>>388149471
lmao

>>388146995
Phoronix is a terrible benchmarking website but it's the only Linux benchmarking site so people just deal with it..

>>388142370
Maybe in 20 years, but 5 years isn't enough time for just under 1 BTC.

>>388135924
>tfw buying 1080Ti for $700USD from nearby Microcenter
I hope this card will last a few years, I'm glad I've moved on from my HD6850.

>>388149471
That was EVGA,

>>388147632
GDDR5X isn't that efficient at mining which is why 1080 and 1080Ti prices are mostly stable. I don't think it's known how well GDDR6 will perform yet. HBM1+2 aren't that great either, butit was good enough that people are using Fury's, Fury X's and Vega for it. Part of the issue is Vega yields are so low AMD literally can't cut the price any more and stock keeps running out. They couldn't keep up with Polaris stock either, and Polaris was cheaper to make. Another issue is scalpers and resellers jacking up the price on Vega taking advantage of the limited supply. It's essentially the Nintendo effect.

>>388150150
What brand and model.

>>388136559
i upgraded from gtx 770 sli to 980ti
paid $380 CAD (roughly $300 USD) for the 980ti

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>>388135924
I thought miners only used AMD?

>>388136131
Last time crypto boomed, GPU manufacturers churned out cards, and then when it crashed they were left with an overstock that was impossible to move because the used market exploded.

Now they're manufacturing them steadily and in the case crypto crashes, they can massively undercut the used market and sell a bunch at the original price as people flock to pick them up.

>>388147486
>buy premade trash
>chink shit psu/mobo blows
wow much savings very bargain

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What brand do you trust most for video cards?
EVGA has never done me wrong, but I'm curious about MSI, Gigabyte, Zotac, etc.

>>388150625
They're preferred but since they're all out of stock, they're picking up all the Nvidia cards too. The only thing they won't touch are the 1060 3gb, though I wouldn't be surprised if a bunch of idiots that know nothing start buying those too.

>>388150883
The last two I bought were shit. The XFX was like a jet engine and the ASUS card was fucking massive and lit up like a Christmas tree.

>>388139274
I just bought a minty 980ti today, had a 660ti

>>388149461
I co produce TV shows.

>>388138895
Are you me?

>>388139274
Get a 1050 or 560, both are cheap and perform decently

>>388142825
at this point we're 4 months away from 2018 and Volta possibly being announced shortly after, so you might as well see if it comes out Q1 2018, because a 1160 or whatever would probably be close to a 1080 performance for $250 or whatever

At this point you'd be better off saving and buying a ryzen 1600 + DDR4 ram build and waiting to see if new GPU info comes out now that Vega is DOA

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>>388151112
>XFX
Does XFX still exist? Last one from them that I owned was a 9800gt

>>388146135

you should upgrade your cooling and your chassis first, although i feel this is bait anyway.

>>388151787
They're one of the few manufacturers who still make single slot cards which is nice.

>>388135924
All it takes is for Nvidia and AMD to force to their third party retailers to enforce a "one card only" scheme.

Newegg, Amazon, Tigerdirect, etc. does not care about gamers or mining, all that matters is that they're getting paid.

>>388136131
unlike the nintendo the supplier just decide to not chase the demand and let them be

NIntendo always just shit out stuff just right below the demand

>>388151758
Volta does not matter

It will sell out because of mining memes

Unless jacketman orders an ultimatum that they're only selling one card to one address/person

SLI is pretty much dead anyway

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>>388152459
>Tigerdirect

>>388152459
>Nvidia and AMD to force to their third party retailers to enforce a "one card only" scheme
kek why would any company do that?

>>388150883
MSI are worse than hitler. had three of their new cards die on me because their QC department is high or something. After the third card they refused to give me a new card or refund my money. Bought an EVGA and it's been running for years now without a single problem. MSI are fucking awful and I hope they all die in a fire.

At that point isn't an oc capable 1070 or 1080 less expensive. I mean I got a 1070 for 379.

>>388136559
You can't sli 1050ti
Sli starts from 1060

>>388144170
This is just about the worst way to spend 4grand on a PC
You should get 2 1080tis and a better CPU for that price

>>388150883
Msi 1070 I have is just fone. Has a goofy neon glow if that's a dealbreaker, though.

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>>388151649
You dumb fuck those are shit tier

1080p/60/high is the bare minimum everyone should be at
which is 1050ti/rx470/580 and without mining faggots ruining the market the rx470 would be the best poorfag gpu. the AMD offerings are vastly better than nvidia but you will never get one at RRP.

how do I get a 200 dollar 1080 ti?

>>388140968
I might try to snag a Ryzen + Vega 56 bundle and upgrade from my 2500K + 390. Otherwise I guess I keep on waiting.

>>388153301
sell your poolaris card to a miner

>>388135924
>falling for the third party jew

>>388146591
Pc illiterate.
Is it pretty simple to undervolt cards?

>>388144170
that case does not have holes for fans up front.
where are you going to mount the $80 worth of fans that deliver cold air to your $4000 worth of piping hot gear?

>>388136283
Except the GTX™ 1080™ was never affected you fucking retard.

Can someone explain why bitcoin has value? There's nothing tangible to back it up. It should, by all means, be like Zimbabwe dollars.

I want to thank everyone that helped with suggestions for a $4000 pc build. I know it's overkill but money isn't an issue.

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>>388135924
ENOUGH
ROUND UP AND GAS THE CRYPTOFAGS

>>388153420
you open whatever overclocking bloat ware it comes with and turn the voltage down not up

pretty comlplex. you should take it to a store or something.

>>388153662

>Gigabyte
>MSI

That's why

>>388152845
>kek why would any company do that?
Gaymers are huge section of their business dumbo.

If gaymers can't get video cards for the MSRP then they'd be forced to be console peasants or not buy at all.

Cards used by miners are a nightmare for warranties/RMA and third party board partners don't want that.

>>388153575

Same way TF2 hats have value. It's just retards glorifying a currency. Other retards fall for it and buy it at high price, and prices keep going up.

Also it helps that is a currency with no government ties.

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I bought a powercolor Red Devil 580 Golden Edition for $270...played on it for a month or so noticed horrible coil whining so I looked up the prices on ebay.

Ended up selling it used for $450 to some Ukrainian banker overseas I know he had some sort of cryptocurrency mining ring going on.

Was able to get a 1070 evga from the sales money.

>>388153575
Dank web to buy illegal stuff.

>>388153736

>He thinks EVGA cards are worth the price

Enjoy your overheating card I guess.

>>388153575
Because it has guaranteed scarcity, so there's no bankers hitting the go fast buttons on the printing press.

>>388153850
Who fucking buys those bottom barrel house fires?

You could get top binned sapphire 480s for $200 at launch due to a pricing error

>>388153974

So it's just a bunch of rich people all around the world going "hey look me, I have more scarce stuff than you do"?

>>388154174
The same as regular money or precious gems, yes.

>>388153921
I own evga cards and have never had an overheating issue

>>388153974
>this meme again
there are infinite shitcoins
when one is being dumped, another pops up to get pumped
this is the modern pyramid scheme. you can make fast cash as long as you are not the shmuck at the bottom like /biz/

>>388154324
I was not talking about ALL cryptocurrencies, only Bitcoin in particular.

>>388153575
>There's nothing tangible to back it up
The US abolished the gold standard before you were born, there's nothing backing any modern currencies, they're all fiat.

>>388150883
Had a RX480 from MSI that only crashed when trying to render games. Sold it to some miner for $400, he had no complaints.

Bought a EVGA 1070 for $380, no probalos after that.

I remember buying a RX 480 maybe 2 or 3 months after it came out, and kicking myself for not waiting for it to get cheaper.

Looks like I made the right call afterall

When will the miners finally kill themselves

>>388149753
Very true. Every so often GamingOnLinux does benchmarks, but they don't tend to get sent free hardware like Phoronix does.

AMD official drivers being slower than the open source drivers is pretty well known at this point though.

It's the 6GB VRAM edition of the 1060 no wonder

>>388151202
give me some money

Pc gaming master race

Looks like bloated console ports won't sell PC hardware these days. How long will it be until PC ports no longer exist?

>>388153073
you can't sli 1060s either, retard

>>388157286
Final Fantasy® XV Windows® Edition will be a system seller.

My non-ti 980 is starting to show it's age.
1080/1080ti or wait for Volta?
I'm set for years on the CPU side, I fell for the 6700k meme.

What can i expect from a GTX 1050Ti?

>>388158995
Volta is supposed to be released on early 2018, upgrade now if you can't wait 6 or 7 months

>>388159054
depending on the game, 60 (or 60-ish) fps at 1080p with a combination of medium to high graphics settings. Which is good, considering it's a budget card

>>388135924
EVGA makes the ugliest cards.

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>>388160351
you take that back.

>>388160264
Well thats great since the other option is a GT 1030 and since im gaming at 768p that is not a huge problem.

I have enough time to save for black friday to see if i get something better.

>>388159054
Esports = 50+ FPS Most Games = 45+fps Non-optimized = 30+ fps all in 1080p mid to high

Who would have told, the chink brand has the best cards and the best warranty.

>>388135924
I still remember seeing a gtx 1080 going for a little under $400 on newegg (and not one of those shitty 1 fan low profile models) and thinking nahhhh I'll just wait for it to be $300

well fuck me now.

>>388141548
Does that say $199? Because I actually did buy a 480 for that much before the recent wave of crypto mining took off.

>>388135924
Never.
Developers now should think to develop games having 1050, 1150, 1250, xx50 as roof.
xx60 and up is for cryptocurrency.

>>388140634
>get a 1070 for free by having some dumb stream fag have me build a computer for him
>just swap in my 7850
>he never notices because he's retarded

DEVILISH

>>388148370
Maybe we this could cause a shift to weeb games.
Making games looking like anime consumes less resources.
If people can not afford more expensive cards for good graphics, developers now have to make it look less photo-realistic.

>>388135924
Unless you absolutely need the newest card, why not buy used?

How much are 390x's going for nowadays? Could I sell it to some cryptofag?

>>388163586
I don't believe you.

>>388153736
What's a good manufacturer?

>>388164552
Powercolor and PNY.

>>388163969
card fails sooner

>>388165707
>PNY
>Good

>>388165709
Never thought about failure rate, I've always sold my old card to make up difference for a new one. I always end up selling before the card fails.

>>388135924
Hopefully never

>inb4 poorfag tears

If you can't afford master race machines then you shouldn't be playing on PC.

>>388166805
Would you pay a scalper over double the MSRP for a video card?

>>388166805
You sound like someone who gets ripped off a lot.

>>388166805
Post a pic of you burning a hundred dollars if you're so cool and rich

>tfw got a 1070 for free from rma'ing my old 980

Yes lads