Thank you God, it's fucking perfect.

>>388087520
This game is still pure garbage right ?

I played BC, LK and a little of MOP and I saw it becoming pure shit. Is it still this way ?

>>388087520
They made a patch around a hearthstone card?

>all those reused assets

damn, they're really cutting the budget in WoW

>>388087721
Where are the reused assets?

>>388087520
it really is bro
best way to make people quit
thank you based blizzard for freeing people of your second rate mmo!

how did an Eredar city manage to stay free of corruption for like 500 years?

>>388087857
Turalyon did it.

>>388087681

Argus is the fel-infused world of the eredar, originally including the draenei. It is — or was — an arcane utopia where mages of the arcane divined the arcane secrets of the ordered universe. Its inhabitants were both vastly intelligent and highly gifted in magic. It had a society where art, science, magic and technology were all as one. Argus was ruled by a triumvirate of the greatest and most powerful eredar mages: Kil'jaeden, Archimonde, and Velen. They ruled from Mac'Aree — the most sacred of the cities on Argus according to Jessera of Mac'Aree.

>>388087857
Demons corrupted by the light.

>>388087765

Literally everything in that picture.

I wish someone would have told blizzard that making 80% of the expansion black and green was a horrible fucking idea.

and next we are getting purple and purple the expansion

>>388087629
Legion was much more appealing with the inclusion of raid-level gear in mythic+ dungeons. Unfortunately they added an insurmountable grind to stay competitive at the same time.

>>388088008
nice digits idiot

>>388088013
but that's literally only one patch
the rest of the expansion is 5 zones and 3 raids, all with different colour schemes

please have your complaints actually make sense anon

>>388088082
>Unfortunately they added an insurmountable grind to stay competitive at the same time.

Competitive to what, exactly?

>>388088238
The people you were competing with for raid spots.

>it's fucking perfect
Yea a perfect example of a pile of shit

>>388088302
Ah, nah. Thats horseshit. If you're pugging you can just make your own groups anyway, so its a complete non-issue

Argus is Starcraft as shit

>>388088082
Damn I remember when raids were 10 or 25, and not both.

It doesn't make any sense. Is that raid intended for 25 for players or for 10 ?

10 guys can do it, but the other guild will come with 25 members and fail ? Completely stupid.

And then it forces you to do LFR if you want some good equipments but it's the most retarded thing where 14 yo tards with no stuff clean end content.

Truly an awful game.

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>>388088082
>to stay competitive

For what purpose? That epic "top tier gear" is just distributed via welfare in the next update.

>>388087520

"twitch. tv slash twitch" currently has a blizzard designer talking about it.

>>388088513
>910 ilvl
>top tier gear

>>388088513
I mean yeah if you're going to sit out the content then the gear you have obviously doesn't matter.

>>388088554
I got a piece of 930 gear from the weekly quest. I don't understand why people bust their ass for stuff that will be obsolete in a matter of weeks.

>>388088594
>sit out the content
What content? I can experience everything casually.

>>388088627
>I got a piece of 930 gear from the weekly quest.
a very small chance for one piece of gear, congrats.

>>388088674
The joke is that 930 gear will be shit very soon.

>>388088627
>casually

>>388087520
NEW WORLD QUESTS IN NEW GREEN ZONES WITH NEW GREEN MOBS

>>388088708
>The joke is that 930 gear will be shit very soon.
No it won't.

>>388088627
>What content? I can experience everything casually.
If you consider "experiencing" content patches after it was released good, then I guess this discussion is pointless.

>>388088594
You don't need top gear to be relative in clearing content in wow anymore.

But nice trying to convince people you do.

>>388087963
oh.. wow... thats really... interesting

>>388088787
stupid phoneposter

>getting every legendary except the one good one that is mandatory to be viable for a spec

random legendaries were a mistake

The problem is nobody plays this anymore, It's more like a SMORPG these days

>Do mythic dungeon clear
>Hope the item you need drops
>Then hope it titanforges
>Then hope it titanforges a higher ilvl than what you've already got
>Also need it to roll with a socket and good tertiary stats
Whoever thought porting over the greater rift system from D3 into a game with lockouts and severe RNG should be shot.

>>388088846
Yeah, which legendary would that be anon?

>>388088763
>Q: Will Nethershards be relevant in 7.3?
>A: They'll still be used on catch-up gear and cosmetic items. However, the Relinquished Vendor will be packing up and moving to Argus! Players will be able to trade a new currency, Argunite, for 910 Confiscated Gear on Argus and also be able to target relics.

910 is the welfare ilvl already. Won't be long until 930 will be shit.

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>>388087963
>Jessera of Mac'Aree

Blizzard's name guy is really running out of ideas

>>388088082

The Artifact grind is still around right?

>>388088890
You don't NEED any of that. Some people are compelled to grind for it, but its not explicitly required.

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>>388087520
>he actually enjoys this artifact grinding shit

>>388088835
>can't come up with an argument
>quick redirect with his formatting
>he must be a phone poster
Fucking mongoloids who still play WoW.

>>388088920
>Blizzard's name guy is really running out of ideas
This has always been a thing though blizzard thinks their puns and self references are hilarious

Rate legion 1-10
3

>>388088787
Yeah if you're casually doing it when you can, but if you want to be in a good group and do the content when it's new you do.

I do not care that you do need gear if you're a casual player.

>>388088994
0 for legendary RNG

>>388088846
That's what made me and well over 8000 others quit on sargeras. None of my guild resubscribed can't say the rest have or haven't but I'm thoroughly enjoying watching this trainwreck of a game crash and burn like watching a house fire nothing you can do about it but it's fascinating to watch.

>>388088994
0

Is titanforged/warforged/shitboyforged still a thing? What a way to ruin the game holy shit

>>388088994
1

>>388088984
Nothing to do with formatting, just your incorrect use of words that I'm giving you benefit of the doubt was autocorrect rather than plain stupidity.

>>388088909
930 is still going to be very good ilvl in 7.3.

>>388088994
9 on day 1
8 on day 8
5 on day 15
3.5 since then

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>>388088994
1.5/10 only because I stuck with it longer than wod

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>>388089106
>930 is still going to be very good ilvl in 7.3.

>my FACE when I use my billion nethershards to buy a bunch of 930+ titanforged gear immediately

HAVE FUN WITH YOUR RAID AND MYTHIC GRIND LMFAO

>>388088483
mythic raiding, the only part of the game that's actually challenging is fixed for 20 players

normal and heroic are flex, which means the content scales to the amount of players you bring (minimum 10). they are intended for people dicking around with friends/guildies while having some bants on voice chat

LFR is for complete braindead morons and you are in no way forced to do it, except maybe once when you're gearing up an alt

>>388089195
If your enjoyment of the game comes from pushing a number next to your character screen, feel free?

>>388089237
>he says as he spends 40 hours a week raiding for obsolete gear

So, anybody here played this on the PTR? Is 7.3 any good or should I just quit now before I get suckered into another 7.2 disaster.

>>388089285
You should have quit in 7.1

>>388089008
>he thinks day 1 clears require best gear anymore
It doesn't it never has actually. Painful to admit that even vanilla stuff was only nerfed, because idiots couldn't actually play games. An actual fact that over half the player base used bullshit stupid builds and didn't know jack shit about gear or clearing.
>mmos were never about difficulty, just get appropriate gear for a dungeon entry and clear it with competency which doesn't fucking exist, because the majority of mmo players are mouth breathers who ask about UI and quest shit when they start a new mmo when they all follow relative trends
I fucking hate you all. A seething anger that could fuel a billion stars, I hope you choke on a fucking mote of dust you shitters.

>>388088994
7

as far as wow expansions go, 8.5

That itemlevel is far and away the most important stat on gear is half of why I hate pve in this shitty game now.

>>388088994
5.
9 for the actual good parts such as raiding
and 0 for the endless grind to get there

>>388089389
t. shitter

>all this WF/TF nonsense
Motherfucker why not just keep it how it was in MoP and have just warforged give 6 or 8 more ilevels and be done with it?

>>388087629
>Thank you God, it's freaking perfect.

What the fuck is perfect about patch that give u 3 hours of gameplay content?
Did they fix PvP yet?
Did they made Bgs playable yet?
Did they fucking release game change futures like revamping classes or improving the game?

>Nope

Kys cunt

>>388089281
kek, I don't spend nearly half that time raiding.

Its fine though, you step into a Mythic raid with your 930 gear and still get your ass handed to you pretending your a skilled raider. At least you won't have the excuse that you're undergeared.

>>388089327
Ok sure pug everything in the first week with half your slots being last tier's normal mode crap. I'm sure any group that takes you will go real far.

>>388089540
>implying I need to raid

:^)

>>388089542
>pug
faggot don't you have a dedicated group of nonshitters by now, it's been over a decade if you're still playing wow you should have some fucking friends out of it at least.

>>388089416
>liking that you basically don't think about gear at all except for a few fringe specs that don't function without hitting some crit threshold

>>388089389
noob af

>>388089389
Except it isn't, at all. The complete opposite is the case.

>>388089590
..Yes? Why else would you be playing an expac focused around raiding and endgame PvE if you don't raid?

>>388089505
lol i remember the whole pvp system went to shit at cata, i think, when oom was no longer an option

this game has went to shit a long time ago and people are just clawing at the last pieces of a broken ride

>>388089673
LFR is good enough :^)

>>388089803
For what

The only reason to play Legion is to beat mechanically difficult bosses. If you're facerolling undertuned encounters that have had encounters removed, you're wasting your time. Unless you're playing for the story or something, which would be even more hilarious.

>>388089505
Arena is honestly pretty good at the moment. Shame bgs and rbgs and world pvp are pure shit.

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>>388089881
>The only reason to play Legion is to beat mechanically difficult bosses.

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>>388088994
7/10

Things I like:
>mythic+ dungeons
>artifacts
>world quests
>Suramar quests story progression (fuck you I liked it)
>attunements (CoS, Arcway, Kara, Cathedral)
>class halls
>mythic raids
>honor talents separated from normal ones

Things I hate:
>class balance (shadow priests at start, guardian druids overall)
>split raids
>LFR (every expansion it's still not removed I will list it as a detriment for that period)
>PvP in every form
>AP grind
>repeating scenarios on alts to unlock stuff (especially the fucking Exodar one with Velen and Rakeesh)
>the story/lore is all over the place
>mythic+ affixes are uninspired "deal damage to players" shit, until you finally just get one shotted on higher levels - such a wasted potential
>broken shore

>>388090006
Ah yes I forgot there were people like you playing the game for the Trial of Style

>>388090056
Fuck I forgot

Thing I like:
>leveling alts on invasions

Thing I absolutely despise:
>Nomi
>battle pets
>small events like trial of style and disco AH bullshit nobody asked for

>>388090056
>>repeating scenarios on alts to unlock stuff (especially the fucking Exodar one with Velen and Rakeesh)

anon.. you know you don't ever have to do that quest, right? I mean literally never.

>>388090142
>small events like trial of style and disco AH bullshit nobody asked for
You don't have to do them, they only last a few days anyway

>>388090224
You actually have to to finish the paladin quest hall campaign.

>>388090285
Okay, and how many Paladins do you have

>>388090278
Every optional content like that is wasted time and money for a content 0.1% of playerbase enjoys.

>>388090313
Doesn't matter, my point stands. I had to do it on my main and on my pally alt. I've even done it more, because it pissed me off to have quest marks in Dalaran.

>>388089285
From what ive seen its literally broken shore 2.0 aka tanaan 3.0

>>388090056
Artifacts and class halls completely killed the expansion for me they were the worst fucking features blizzard could have added

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>>388087520
Does the ptr have premade characters this time or would I have to transfer one of my undergeared shitters that I haven't played in forever?

>>388090056
>mythic+ affixes are uninspired "deal damage to players" shit, until you finally just get one shotted on higher levels - such a wasted potential
This is so fucking infuriating as a healer. All you do is play janitor.

>>388091706
As a resto main I completely agree.

Also I can't decide if warforging gear has more pros or cons.
It gives a reason to run non-raid content, but at the same time it devalues raids.

Also legendaries fucking suck.

>"perfect"

pls wait 2 more months until the whole patch is available

>>388090735
>Being this fucking dumb

>>388092168
Explain, I haven't played this shit in forever

>>388092232
Just like it has always had, Dala has gear/legendary vendors.

>>388088994
2.5

>>388088994

6.5

I had some good times coming back after a long time away. Had I not been stoned everytime I played though I don't think I would have enjoyed it as much.

Never play that shit sober.

>>388089281
>he says as he spends 50 hours a week grinding nethershards

Wooo00o0w

>>388087520
Even if it is it will only be in season for a year max before being thrown onto the content trash mountain.

>>388088994
2 because some of their new armor/artifact appearances are nice. No positives outside that.

>>388090057
That shit needs to be every month.

>>388091841
>devalues raids
That's a good fucking thing. WoW raid or die mentality is the most assbackwards oldschool thing blizzard still keeps in.

LFR is the worst thing happened to the WoW because of it, as it further cements raids as the only thing that matters and makes them prime story telling engine for the game. Validating spending shitloads of devtime on them instead of offering different kind of content to different kind of players, which is a sensible solution.

>>388094057
>raid or die
>oldschool
no

>>388094057
agreed, but raids need to be replaced with something better. WQs and mythics worked for me, but there was no effort to develop those further. It's like MC raid was copy pasted over and over with higher numbers instead of adding more raids with different mechanics.

>>388088554
rares on argus drop 930 gear.

>>388094248
I don't believe you

>>388092301
>Just like it has always had
Not like it's always had the last time I played this game seriously you had to go on to the site to actually copy characters over, either way thanks

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>>388089281
>>388092453
>they say as they spend 60 hours a week playing a creatively bankrupt theme park MMO

>>388094331
check the ptr.
mythic kj gear can go up to 955.
last raid on argus supposedly can go u to 1k itemlevel.

>>388094534
Isn't it 970 for KJ? Like his base item drop ilvl +30? I mean, I've had 955 drop for me off HC tf.

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>>388087520
>it's the same exact bland landscape like on the broken shore and the landscape surrounding suramar city
Whatever happened to making interesting and engaging scenery like Thunder Isle or even the Timeless Isle? Seriously, most if not all zones in Legion are fucking boring and look the same

>>388094057
why the fuck do you want to remove the only challenging pve content? or do you mean removing LFR?

if you remove raids you might as well close the game

>>388094604
there is no cap on TF, just on ilvl
LFR gear can TF to 955

>>388089881
>The only reason to play Legion is to beat mechanically difficult bosses.
Not him but troughout my 10+ years of WoW I've always found raiding to be a boring, stressful and a repetitive mundane task. Mashing the same keys and sometimes moving a bit is not fun.
Wiping and waiting to restart the fight for the next 20+ minutes for hours on end is not fun.

I've only ever did LFR and previous content raids and even LFR was boring

>>388094738
How about redesign the core gameplay and make it focus less on the endgame content and raiding?

theres only really two things i enjoy in legion now, mytic+ keypushing and open world pvp due to how much fun it is.
they really should remove stat templates and put back pvp gear. also actives on gear and legendaries should be allowed in nonrated pvp.
stat tamplets really ruined instanced pvp for me. but jesus is open world pvp fun thanks to talons vengeance.

>>388095004
>let's alienate our entire player base of 13 years just to try something new
I know what you're proposing but let's get real here for a second.

>>388094230
There is no will for blizzard to do away with them, LFR validates it and oldguard faggots from elitist jerks that should never have been hired for actual game development push their agenda on top of it.

Fixing WoW flawed sit is not that hard otherwise, here is totally shitty poorly through out anons way to fix WoW that will never happen.
>delete LFR
>make normal queueable
>delete hardmode
>leave mythic for hardcore nolifers to race for worldfirsts
>either make mythic true challenge mode mop style with normalized gear and vanity/titles/mounts/pets rewards or make the gap in ilvls smaller
>divorce main story from raids completely
>make all the main story shit into scenarios like the legion class quests
>make solo challenge dungeons and trials green fire/mage tower style that rewards normal tier of gear, maybe add some mythic variants too that either rewards their own vanity or mythic gear
>bring back proper dungeon design from vanilla and give appropriate rewards for it selling as group sized raids for people who don't want to herd 19 other faggots
>tie AP like system to characters instead of gear effectively bringing back talent system and end game progression like AA in EQ/EQ2

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>>388095221
>making anything queueable
No remove them all together, lfr and dungeon finder need to go

>>388095221
>make solo challenge award normal tier gear
Why not make the game offline at that point

>>388094936
yeah i play for fun too man xD

>>388095004
and what would you make core gameplay?

>>388094738
You can make challenging pve content outside of raids too. Blizzard did it themselves even with warlock green fire, it was the achievement to complete it back when it was released and people didn't overgear it silly.

>>388095370
He's thinking of a mobile game where all he has to do is send garrison champions on missions and do some dailies now and then.

>>388088302
Same as it ever was.

>>388095308
Jinn is out of the bottle for a long fucking while, you won't put it back in no matter how hard you try, non queueable shit won't ever fly, especially in WoW.

>>388095327
It pretty much single player already, and solo challenges are usually way harder to do for the playerbase if WoW track record is anything to go by, a lot of people fail silver fucking class trials for fuck's sake. Point of it is to make gear acquisition not tied to the raids exclusively without doing silly shit like rngforging.

>>388095828
And the game will always be shit for it the only way it will ever start getting better is if blizzard steps up and takes risks and one of those is going to have to be removing the queues or else the game is going to continue its pace towards become single player for all but the top few in progression raiding. Although if anything at this point the game might be better off just going single player completely, sell a separate version of the game and add in some gear that scales you to the level of an entire raid team and I'd probably enjoy it a lot more.

>>388094686
Getting showered in fel leaves the same end results.

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>there are people on this board who unironically still play this garbage

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>>388096067
They're in a position where they've stripped away 99% of the playerbase that complained about the game being subpar, the entire userbase is now a collective of refined shiteaters and "whales" that will spend thousands of dollars on namechanges, transfers and store pets/mounts. ActiBlizz will NEVER take a creative risk to make the game decent again because they know that no matter what, these cumguzzlers will always gobble up whatever they put out and doing anything risky will jeopardize that.

Just accept that you are no longer the kind of player that they're making the game for and move on.

>>388096474
>trade chat talking about the story
>mention some inconsistencies and how it's not that amazing
>"AND YET YOU STILL PLAY THE GAME HUH???!??!??!?!?!"
>"FUCKING TROLL!!!!"

These """people""" are scum.

>>388096856
thats weird.
collectively i only see hate for every aspect of wow everywhere. in guilds, in tradechat and in videos of people playing wow.
i mean not direct hate but significantly more criticism than praise.
and tradechat is especially in the evenings is full of people collectively shitting on blizzard.
from what ive heard of ow/hots/hs players their mindset is pretty much the same.

>>388087520
why the fuck does all of this shit look exactly like a screenshot from WoD's shadowmoon valley but with the color yellow in it? this is insulting as all fuck, the only new thing is the fucking logo

>>388097304
Huh, guess it depends on the servers. Argent Dawn RP here and the trade chat was full of people doing a circlejerk over how amazing 7.3's story will be and how livid they are over Turalyon returning (even though I'm sure 90% of them never played warcraft and have no idea who he is).

>>388088920
there's an npc in the dk starting zone called Jesseriah McCree who only spawns when there is so much ghouls at the gates that it's in danger of causing a server crash, he appears and will start to aoe the packs down over time

>>388087520
my gametime expired today and i was really doubting whether i should resub

but then a guildie messaged me to do some keys and ive spend the whole day so far just doing 15+ keys, it's so comfy

mythic+ is the best thing they've ever added to this game

>>388089748
I miss the mana management in arenas, but you just have to remember how broken some setups in LK or BC were.
Plus they introduced Rated BGs. I don´t consider it a bad expansion for PvP.

>>388097602
well duh rp servers is full of fucking degenerates.
normal people dont play on rp servers and normies like to pretend that they know wow lore from top to bottom and share that in detail on trade chat.
those are the minority however.
i play on sylvanas eu and the server is known for being very anti blizzard so i might be biased but from other european servers that ive visited the mood is pretty much the same. people are really vocal about the pvp thing with the stats and how shitty dungeons are in general.