What happened to Tetsuya Takahashi?

Because he dislodged the pretentious stick from far up his ass and started making complete stories instead of namedropping better authors and ''''implying'''' that the story is good but you're just not seeing it.

>>388057768
Complete stories fit for the animu turd bin

>>388057881
Just like Xenosaga and Xenogears, right?

>>388057941
No, those were at least fit for a 90s-00s JRPG Vidja gaem.

>atrophied as a dev

is this a joke? xenogears/saga were an absolute fucking mess of design, blade was the first competent game

>>388058405
MMORPG quest systems in single player games are not well designed

>>388058567
those quest systems are all delegated to side quests you don't have to do

>>388058632
Then you won't have any money. So no you do have to do some.

>>388057517
He was never a good storyteller or developer. Xenoblade is his first decent game. Xenogears and Xenosaga are incomplete games, pretentious trash with utterly slow battle systems.

wow, that's disappointing. though i only played xenogears and xenosaga ep1 (that one sucked so much i decided not to play the rest). i wanted to play xenoblade but never found the time for it

oh well. i never really believed we'd ever have another game like xenogears. every once in a while someone really talented shows up and makes a great game (eg nier: automata), so i guess you can always hope.

>>388059075
>tfw neo-/v/ is the only /v/ left

There are a lot of underage and/or angsty posters in this thread pretending Xenogears was bad. Probably the time of the day.

>>388058992
>you won't have any money

are you retarded? you get a fuck ton selling monster parts/armors/weapons/field items

>>388059270
>I haven't played these games in years and I only rely on nostalgia and "you should have been there to see how great it really was" to base my opinions

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>>388059075
>He was never a good storyteller

he's not even a dev

>>388059328
>Selling items in an RPG
Turbopleb

>>388059270
yeah, out of all the threads i've seen here over the past couple of months, or maybe even years, this one is definitely the one that stands out for how shitty the board has become

>>388058992
There was money in Xenoblade? I finished the game without doing any sidequests just fine.

>>388057517
Did you get tired of shiposting xc2 you piece of crap?

Xenosaga is the only xeno game I really enjoyed. I wanted to like saga and I keep dropping blade around the bionis leg. I'm going to go back and try blade again some time.

Saga 3 is the only good Xeno game

>>388059553
Xenogears is the only one I liked**

>>388059485
>There was money in Xenoblade?
This ain't FF13, bro.

>>388059553
>dropping blade when it gets good

after leg the only shitty area is ether mines but that's one of the smallest/shortest areas in the game

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>>388058259
No, they're animu turd bin garbage. Sorry anon. Nostalgia's one hell of a drug.

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Catharsis

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>Loved XBC
>Loved XBX
>No hype for XBC2
I mean, I still want to play it, but it's hard to get excited for something that looks so similar to XBC, which is funny because XBX being different was my main point of skepticism pre-release

>>388059696
what the fuck do you even use for money other than arts books? gems/armors/weapons are better in the field than the shops

>>388059716
I think I beat the mine maybe? I was forcing myself to play it so I was feeling really burnt out. I remember getting Dunban and the next time I had free time I just couldn't bring myself to boot it up. Did I quit right when it gets good?

>>388059723
Anon, I've seen like 500 anime series, and I can assure you you won't find an anime like gears or saga. I've tried. And if you mention Eva that will just prove you have no idea what you're talking about.

>>388059696
I don't understand that reference because I haven't played it, but still, money is not necessary. Enemy drops are good enough. Heck, I didn't even use fast travel, so I never re-visited previous areas nor did I ever craft gems.

>>388057517
To be fair, he's probably saying what he has about VR because most of the games are shovelware shit, only a few are trying to be games.

At least porn VR is about simulating sex, which leaves you at a much higher chance of enjoying it compared to yet another shooting gallery whose splendor wears off after an hour of messing around with it.

He's also probably just getting older. On average, people tend to care less about the deep philosophical parts of life to enjoy it for what it is as they age.

>>388058405
to be fair

he never got a chance to finish them in the first place

im still mad well never have a complete xenogears disc2

>>388059825
you quit before satorl marsh, judge for yourself by googling

>>388058405
>>388059075
Soma Bringer.
You mean the first good game he designed was Soma Bringer.

>>388059431
He was a normal ass dev at Square for nearly a decade before Xenogears.

>>388059863
Then you missed out on a lot of the RPG systems that made XB an RPG

>>388059742
Fapped to this last night.

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He hasn't atrophied, he's the same hack he always was. Making stories about fighting God. You just see it for what it is now because you're older. The only disconnect is that you refuse to accept the fact that his older titles were just as poorly written.

>>388059959
hwo the fuck would I know? japanese onry. Also he didn't design soma bringer, he wasn't even the director

>>388059959
no he was in charge or art

>>388059840
Ergo Proxy.
RahXephon.
Evangelion.

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>>388059723
Animu turd bin garbage is about story content, not big eyes.

Pic related: Anime turd writing.

>>388060008
you never fight god in a xeno game

>>388059908
Looks fairly pretty. My main issue with the game was the abundance of dogshit sidequests. But good stuff is often locked behind stufff like that so I felt obliged to do them.

>>388059840
>you won't find an anime like Xenogears

Are we pretending that Xenogears isn't the Evangelion of video games?

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>>388058259
>>388059723
>>388060101

>>388060075
>Producer/Game Design: Tetsuya Takahashi
>Graphic Design is not part of game dev

Are you fucking retarded?

>>388060182
quickest way to hate XC is to do the sidequests. I only ever occasionally went out of my way to do them

>>388060101
How can you tell when the only story content we know is that the world is coming to an end in that game?

>>388060274
He thinks script = writing

>>388060008
Zanza as a dumb arrogant blob with no personality vs Krelian who actually has development and motives beyond LOL IM ALL POWERFUL I CREATED THIS WORLD FROM MY ORBITAL SPACE STATION SCIENCE EXPERIMENT AND YOU'RE JUST ANTS

I rather disagree. Generally any villain with sympathetic motives will be better written than one who is obviously just an evil asshole.

>OP samefagging this hard
Holy shit.

>>388057517
Makes sense, XCX's writting feels like he gave up and now he's just doing basic tropes.

>>388060225
The power of friendship sure is beautiful, Margie

>>388060136

So did he fail in creating a god?

>>388060441
what

>>388057517
>dude enjoys porn
>that means he's a shit writer and developer
what is this, tumblr?

>>388060346
He says this while cherrypicking a single line that barely relates to the overall plot of the game.

>>388060348
>Krelian
Karellen.

Also
>deep motives
dude come the fuck on. Karellen was cartoonishly evil and the only reason you think he's got any depth is because of the script's endless navel gazing. Both of their goals are pretty damn simple, Xenoblade just says fuck it to spending dozens of paragraphs looking into that and focuses on having decent gameplay instead.

>>388060360
It's not just one person who hates and is frustrated by gaming's A1 Pictures AKA Monolithsoft post-Neotendo sellout, XB2-kun.

>>388060386
probably felt it wasn't worth putting a lot of effort in writing anything more elaborate since the games didn't do that well (both sales-wise and critic-wise), so he's focusing elsewhere. makes sense, but it's so sad actually

i wonder how much nintendo's management can be blamed for it. though at the same time, if they hadn't bought out the company, it probably would have closed by now. oh well. at least we had xenogears

>>388060085
No, anon, mechs and 2DEEP philosophical themes do not make an anime like Xenogears. Xenogears is a pastoral but forgotten technology discovery story. RahXephon is a time lapse near future modern world love story with mechs and evil Mayan men. Eva is a near future development of adolescent mentally ill boy introspective piece with ancient aliens overtones. Ergo Proxy is dystopic future hellscape with philosophical themes in narrative episodic journey piece.

>>388060386
Yup. Takahashi and Monolithsoft as a whole straight up admitted to giving up on making games with depth and a soul and actual storytelling beyond kawaii uguu and plotlines that aren't ripped straight out of the seasonal LN.
http://www.wahmmo.com/why-xenoblade-chronicles-2-has-a-character-designed-by-tetsuya-nomura/
https://mynintendonews.com/2017/06/15/tetsuya-takahashi-shares-a-message-about-xenoblade-chronicles-2-with-the-fans/
http://www.siliconera.com/2017/06/25/xenoblade-chronicles-2s-executive-director-says-like-work-much-smaller-projects/

>>388060561
>Aerith
Aeris

>Karellen was cartoonishly evil and the only reason you think he's got any depth is because of the script's endless navel gazing.
You confuse inconsiderate of others' lives for cartoonishly evil. He doesn't expound on how everyone else is a meaningless ant to him, he merely acts like it.

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>>388060348

Why does a villain need to have sympathetic motives? What's the point? In video games, your motives are very simple, defeat the villain, beat the game. The villain your fighting may as well be just as simple as you.

I don't care about ExDeath, all I want to do is kill him because he's trying to destroy the world. I don't need to sympathize with him on a personal level. I don't care. He's in my fucking way.

It was the same with Egil. I didn't care if that asshole felt butthurt about the Bionis, the fact of the matter is, he was a threat all the same.

>>388060680
Don't expect XB2-kun to actually know shit about a game he's never played, anon.

>>388060569
>Trying to appropriate the XV-kun meme without an actual XV-kun.
>Being this fucking transparent.

M8, X2's artstyle looks like trash and I'm ambivalent on it, but there's not even an attempt being made to conceal this massive samefagging.

>>388060832
>Why does a villain need to have sympathetic motives? What's the point? In video games, your motives are very simple, defeat the villain, beat the game. The villain your fighting may as well be just as simple as you.
Complexity amuses my brain. Simplicity doesn't so much. Pretty...simple.

>>388060810
>Admitting to being a gigantic nostalgiafag who can't get over mistranslations.
I'm not sure if I can even take your opinions seriously when you've already established that you're entrenched in what you took in as a child.

>>388060861
Actually that isn't me. I mean really no one is hiding that some people are posting multiple times ITT but obviously one has to in order to post more than one post. But there are now at least like 3-4 anti-XB2 people from what I can see.

I'm OP

>>388060601
wer never got the original translationof XCx with the original scrip thanks to noah so.....

>>388061071
i never played it. how bad was the translation?

>>388061047
I don't see any point in changing the mistranslations to the correct ones when you aren't changing the original game and it still says Aeris and Krelian. Calling him Karellen just looks try hard elitist (I knew a few who called him that) and calling Aeris Aerith just makes one look like a late coming Compliationkid

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>>388057517

>How can someone begin at Jung, Arthur C. Clarke, Nietzsche and then end at Dattlefield and porn?

Because name me a Xeno game that did well financially?

Evidently there was no money in it and there were no fulfilling answers deep down within the icy silence of his being either.

Every psychology major would eventually tell you to live your own dictated self-ordained life of fulfilment to keep yourself content whilst you breathed anyway.

>>388061250
Xg and xs1 sold more than the blade games, or as well

>>388057517
>you aren't allowed to enjoy yourself with mindless stuff in your free time
Fuck off retard you know nothing, what people do in their spare time away from work does not entirely define them as a human being.

>>388061250
>Because name me a Xeno game that did well financially
You can thank smashniggers for pushing Xenogears into 100% obscurity forever. Enjoy your sword harem plot.

>>388060680
>If the setting isn't exactly the same it's not similar.

You said "an anime like," not "an anime that is literally the exact same setting and story."

>>388060840
If you talk to the kids in Aveh near the end of the first disc they play out Bart and Fei's role in overthrowing the false regime and you get to tell them if you or Bart is cooler.

The kids you lend money sell you meat at such a nice discount you can (slowly) make money off of it by selling it elsewhere.

Redrum is the mutated father of one of Billy's orphans.

Citan is the worst character in the entire story and really shouldn't have been a party member.

Fuck off with your shitty meme garbage, OP. I can have different opinions than your autistic ass and still play the game that you hold so dear.

>that's not video games

The hero we need but don't deserve.

>>388061389
If the setting isn't similar it doesn't scratch my itch. I've looked for animu to scratch my XG itch and none do. I enjoy Eva and RahXephon but definitely not for the same reasons as XG

>>388060386
Well, he did say story was never his focus with XCX since it was mostly meant as an experiment with HD development.
Add to that that during development they had to rewrite the story to go from an actual main character to having a silent avatar.

>>388061250
>tfw everything is about money

>>388061321
Ironically this is right afaik although last time I looked at XB sales was quite a long time ago but it had not hit 1m WW. No idea if the Gamestop reissues had that huge an impact or not. The thing is, Nintendo seems to have a more permissive attitude towards monolith because monolith helps them out doing unimportant manual slave labor on Zelda games and some other titles, so that is probably why they are allowed to do their own thing for somewhat low sales. Whereas with Square and Namco, they expected the Xenos to sell enough to cover their budgets

Well, it's not surprising. There are Japanese people like him, ones that prefer western entertainment to their own.

I met a great deal of them when I was working abroad. They watched a lot of our shows, movies, played our video games. What was different fascinated them. I'm shit Takahashi is just doing what's nature.

Personally, I don't care for CoD, Battlefield, or anything else like it because I'm surrounded by it. I'm bored of it.

>>388061648

Blame the capitalists.

I never really found his work all that deep to begin with. Just shit I already learned in high school in college.

>>388061662
He has gone down kind of a dark road in western entertainment. He could be seeking out erudite western novels of modern day rather than playing Battlefield 1. But I guess it's possible there are none left.

>>388061732
I do. Every day.

Why do people keep giving (you) to the faggot that keeps shitting on every xeno thread? He even keeps posting the same interviews over and over again but the only thing they show is that the game is looking alright

>>388061921
I am a unique faggot, not a previous faggot. I mean if you couldn't see why this interview would trigger past fans of XG and XS hard I don't know what to tell you

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I still can't get over the art style. It's just so samey to everything else out there in anime games. I mean sure Droopy-tan looked somewhat bad but at least she was unique.

>>388062078
This. Takahashi basically admits that he's selling out because products with actual effort and soul put into them aren't profitable enough. Gotta push that moeshit to pay the bills.

>>388062078
Past fans shouldn't even be triggered by this.

>>388062078
>>388062382
Doesn't read like "I'm selling out" to me.
More like "Fuck it I'm bad at this, maybe I should make fun games instead."

>>388062426
Why not? Liking trash like Battlefield 1 and not even having RPGs as his favorite genre? How do you think this looks to anyone who wants a passion project out of Takahashi? It sounds like he has no passion left for the types of games he used to make. Of course I guess it makes sense given the corporate atmosphere that shut down both of those.

>>388062243
It perfectly reflects the content of the plot. That is, the main hero has a sword harem and defeats the bad guy with the power of friendship.

>>388062569
Anon, I played Xenoblade and even liked it. I can assure you it isn't fun. It's the same treadmill of "getting stronger" as most other RPGs. Mostly the only reason to play it is the story.

>>388062569
See >>388062589
XB2 isn't being made out of "love" for classics. It's being made because Takahashi needs to pay his bills, and maybe buy himself a new yacht.

>>388062589
Hideki Kamiya's favorite games are adventure games, shmups and RPGs.

He makes character action games.

I guess Kamiya just hates his work and doesn't do passion projects.

>>388062883
Maybe. Is Kamiya insane? Can someone tell me why the fuck someone would make character action games when it isn't their favorite genre? If your favorite genre is RPGs, why wouldn't you make RPGs?

>>388062589
Where does it say that the devs are only allowed to enjoy the genre they work on? You are a really sad person

>>388063032
I didn't say he could only enjoy RPGs. Just that it should be his favorite genre given that is what he makes. Then again I can see why as a Japanese dev he doesn't make FPSes. That isn't really an option for him. But it'd be pretty sad if he really would if he could make anything he wanted. FPSes are such a banal genre.

>>388063012
It's almost like most people aren't fucking autistic and like making different things than what they like playing. As if you don't want to go home and play the same damn thing you do at work everyday.

Like, fuck, maybe some graphic designers don't like drawing logos in their free time but love it as a job, or some chefs love preparing food at work but order takeout when they come home. Crazy thought, right?

>>388062883
You shouldn't even try to reason with this people. Their delusions are so out there that refuse to read and comprehend the articles posted in this thread

There are multiple types of visionaries. There are the ones who are utterly committed and know nothing else. They are usually seen as mad geniuses. Yoko Taro is probably one of these. He likely couldn't make a 'normal' game even if he tried. Takahashi seems to have fallen into one of the other camps, one who as a youth is starry eyed and idealistic with his own burning creative ideas who gradually becomes a settled in and jaded creator who mellows out and stops caring later on in his career.

>>388063253
delete this

>>388063253
I dunno, he seems to have shifted from prioritizing story to game design more than anything.

>>388063168
Takahashi didn't lose it's passion or whatever. He stated multiple times that he would love to finish Xenosaga and the constant references of gears in the blade show that. There is a french interview that goes deep into this which is never posted by the raging autist shitting the threads

>xeno is now no better than the average tales game

>>388063503
Don't tell XB2-kun that.

>>388063503
Call me when the combat is so bad that I would rather watch cutscenes on youtube, but then stop because the writing is so bad that it makes me cringe.

>>388063503
Xeno games are on par with smt and the kiseki series. These are the only ones that have the more effort put into them

>>388063593
You just post "XB2-kun" for the (You)'s, don't you?
You never responded to
>>388061389

>>388063204
>It's almost like most people aren't fucking autistic and like making different things than what they like playing. As if you don't want to go home and play the same damn thing you do at work everyday.

I can assure you if I was making video games I'd be making Castlevania SotN rip offs and going home and playing more of them. That's because I actually, you know, like them. If I made shitty TPSes and then went home and played SotN rip offs and wished I could make those then I'd be doing what most people do: working just for money.

>Like, fuck, maybe some graphic designers don't like drawing logos in their free time but love it as a job

As a director of an RPG this is a fatal flaw indicating that one is only doing their job out of need rather than vision. Graphic designers love drawing but only draw shitty corporate logos because they can't get paid for drawing what they actually want to. If Takahashi is making RPGs because that is what he has to when he really wants to make FPSes or something else, he is empty and his soul is crushed now. He's merely doing what he is expected rather than what he wants to do. It's "just a job" to him.

>>388060832
>I don't care about ExDeath
Fuck you, Exdeath is goddamn hilarious.

>>388063593
I can't tell if XB2 kun is the guy who hates XB2 or the guy who likes it. Because it seems like there's multiple people on each side.

>Just now realizing the Xenogear/saga games were shitty

Jesus Christ, /v/.
Just Jesus Christ.

>>388063891
Do you like any turn based JRPGs?

>>388063734
>I can assure you if I was making video games I'd be making Castlevania SotN rip offs and going home and playing more of them.
Like I said: most people aren't fucking autistic.

For an example, I draw comics. Video games are a bigger hobby to me than comics, but I enjoy both. I'm more likely to play a game or read a book after finishing a page, not pour over more comics. Even then, my favorite comics tend to be extremely dramatic, but the comic I draw is much more lighthearted and comedic. My favorites already exist: my job as a creator isn't to recreate or improve upon them. It's to make my own art and draw upon multiple sources to create something new.

>>388063891
People have said this for over a decade now.
The shitposting just got out of control when X2 was announced.

This is from the french interview
>What game made the strongest impression during your career ?

It might not be the best moment, but I think the creation of the first Xenosaga was an especially difficult moment because it was done at the same time as the creation of Monolith Software. We had to handle the developpement and create a structure to handle employees, a multifaceted challenge. Xenogears is another game that comes to mind, as everyone on the team was a beginner. We all gained experience and matured together. Today, I think I can say our team is made of seniors, and everything seems easier.

>Xenosaga was planned to be 6 chapters long. Would you like to come back to the series to finish it one day if the opportunity presented itself ?

If someone financed it, certainly (laughs).

>>388064180
>Creating what you love consuming is now autistic

/v/ please.

If you prefer dramatic comics and are making comedic ones...Why? Why not make a dramatic comic? Why not bring into being something you would potentially like best?

>>388064358
The most horrific (laughs) ever seen. The old Iwata and Miyamoto ones are nothing compared to this.

Takahashi's modern output is depressing.

https://my.mixtape.moe/sgxsom.mp4

>>388063503
XCX absolutely shat on every single tales game ever made

>>388064508
Tales games are shit but the last three Xeno games are not very good either.

>>388064508
Maybe he means XB2 since it looks like a Tales game. XBX sertainly still looks more interesting to me than a tales game but I have no Wii U to play it, nor will I ever

>>388064584
The last 3 xeno games are better than every single tales game and 99% of jRPGs, only saga 2 is worse than vesperia/symphonia. Putting the trash tales series on the same level as xeno, especially when the last two pieces of shit in the series were zesteria/berseria being compared to xenoblade 1/X is laughable.

>>388063479
Then why doesn't he just make his modern stories like gears? Why do they have to be either aimed more at the shounen demo (blade 1) or gutted for multiplayer and character creation (X)? These can't really have made Blade and X sell much better than they would if they were games like gears and saga in plot.

>>388064612
How the fuck are you going to place an unreleased game on the same trash level as tales? If anything the 40 minute gameplay demonstration alone shows the game is better for the environmental design alone compared to berseria

>>388064774
Saga 2 was an abortion I had several friends in the fan community back then less than half of them completed it and just dropped the series only a small minority of them actually played 3 it was that bad.

>>388064362
>I CAN ONLY CREATE INCREMENTAL ITERATIONS ON THIS ONE GAME I LOVE AND THEN I WOULD GO HOME AND PLAY MORE OF THAT ALL THE TIME.

Bruh that's autistic as fuck. Most people aren't obsessed with just one thing.

>Why? Why not make a dramatic comic?
Because I want to draw a comedy. Just because my favorite comics are dramas doesn't mean everything I make has to be a drama, or even that I ever have to make one at all. Sure, I draw upon elements from various comics I love, but I'm not aiming to recreate them or just coast off those elements I like.

Like, I think Berserk is great. That doesn't mean I'm going to make a comic about medieval-fantasy horror and brutal violence. That would just showcase a complete lack of creativity on my part, for one thing. But Guts absolutely served as inspiration for a character in one of the comics I've drawn. I love Animal Man, but that doesn't mean I want to draw Superhero comics. I adore Hellboy, but I don't even want to touch anything close to Mignola's work because it's perfect as it is.

>>388064774
>>388064914
Why do people shit on Saga2 and not Saga1?
They're both the same stalling bullshit.

>>388064856
The last time he tried that his wife almost committed suicide

>>388058632
>It's optional content so it doesn't matter if it's shit
U wot?
I don't know the game, I can't decide if those parts are worth doing even if I don't like them.

>>388065125
Literally none of the sidequests matter.

>>388064929
I'm not obsessed with just one thing, as proven by the fact that I'm in a Xeno thread saying I'd be making SotN rip offs and not Xeno rip offs. But I know what type of game I like best, and thus would endeavor to create the best game of that type for me that I could. Because that would be most likely to give me the "greatest" game I could ever have for my tastes.

>>388065090
Woah there. That were completely different factors for that

>>388065090
She did that because her brother died or some shit, not because she was removed from the Xeno team

>>388065160
But they do, they give rewards or something, and even worse, there's some you can't do later I think.

>>388065065
saga 1 had a captivating story instead of just rubedo/albedo assgrabbing. It's a miracle they somehow managed to salvage XS3

>>388065257
She had a miscarriage

>>388065257
>>388065224
could have easily contributed

>>388065175
That's why you're not a creator, man. People draw from influences (usually not even their favorite things, just stuff they want to work with or find inspiring), they don't just make [BETTER VERSION OF FAVORITE THING]. That's a terrible way to make anything, books, games, etc.

>>388064856
are you retarded? Do you know what happened last time he tried that (xenosaga)?

>>388065451
See earlier posts ITT. Blade and X did not sell better than gears or Saga 1. He has a captive audience, it just isn't as large as he'd like, but he could still make smaller, less epic games with similar plots.

>>388065271
>Captivating story
Fucking gag me, it was awful.
A third of the game is getting the gang together so ms exposition fairy can say "ya'll need to get over here." Cherenkov's whole arc was terribly executed and everything with Albedo was just roadblocks and lore dumps. It's a horrible, terrible story.

XENOBLADE X2 FUCKING WHEN

>>388065543
no, but they didn't bomb or get FUCKED by the publisher like XS2/3

>>388065367
So creation is the only goal? Not making the BEST thing for them? Why do I hear some creators saying "I make what I enjoy" etc? I doubt all creators diverge from their favorite genres. Do country singers ever say their favorite music genre is techno or some shit?

>>388065270
They are literally all incidental money and equips that don't fucking matter. The whole system is for you to turn in whatever you stumble your way into and get rewards and some background info for your trouble. It is not designed for you to actively do.

>>388065639
XS was already doomed when ep1 didn't sell up to Namco's demands. That and some big missteps led to XS2 exploding and 3 could never recover from that. The key is just to make stand alone games and not fucking up the battle system like 2 did. It isn't that a Xenoblade with a more focused serious story would fail.

>>388065595
t. brainlet

>>388065739
>The whole system is for you to turn in whatever you stumble your way into and get rewards and some background info for your trouble. It is not designed for you to actively do.

finally someone who gets it, other than bana/tyrea (and colony 6 if you care) you should never activly do the XC1 side quests

>>388065739
>It is not designed for you to actively do.
According to whom? If that was the case they wouldn't give you all the tools they do to do them all.

>>388065951
Some will never get done if you just take them and never try to do them. The kill X or collect Y, sure, can be done passively. But some require you to go to specific places or ferry items somewhere and shit

>>388066059
which you stumble upon by primarily exploring area

>>388065728
>So creation is the only goal?
No?
Like for real are you actually autistic or something?
>Not making the BEST thing...
Art is not about making "the best thing" either.

>Why do I hear some creators saying "I make what I enjoy" etc?
Most of the time this does not literally translate to "I make things based on my favorite song/show/book/game."

>Do country singers ever say their favorite music genre is techno or some shit?
Taylor Swift's #2 favorite song of 2015 was Mine by Phoebe Ryan, which is techno/electro pop and nothing like her output. The #1 was Erik Hassle, who has no traces of country in his work and has no overlap in style with Taylor.

The point is that while, yeah, SOME artists stick strictly to a genre they feel at home with which is also their favorite, most people have eclectic tastes and work on things that don't necessarily correlate to their favorite thing ever. You aren't really expressing yourself if you're just trying to make someone else's piece of art but "better."

>>388065951
Both of those posts are me, doofus. Glad to see the difference between "brainlet" and "MAN, FINALLY SOMEONE WHO GETS IT!" is whether or not they have the same opinion you do.

>>388066526
a broken clock is right twice a day

>>388066606
Right, just slide right out of having to confront the fact that you just want to confirm your preexisting opinions.

>>388066762
>confirm your preexisting opinions

what did he mean by this

>>388066854
That you're too stupid to actually discuss the plot and resort to dumb memes like "brainlets" to escape confrontation.

>>388066420
>Art is not about making "the best thing" either.
Does not compute. Why would you want to make something only good or mediocre? Why do you make the creative choices you make when creating? Surely it must all be because you think X is better choice than Y, that it makes the work better.

>>388066420
>No?
>Like for real are you actually autistic or something?
Then what is the main goal? Why choose to create in one genre over your favorite genre?

>>388066420
>Taylor Swift's #2 favorite song of 2015 was Mine by Phoebe Ryan, which is techno/electro pop and nothing like her output
A bit different with just favorite song lists of X year. Even my favorite game of X year may not be of my favorite genre since there can be major outliers when you get down to a specific year by specific songs. But if she said her favorite genre was techno rather than country or pop that would be pretty weird.

I forget what Niyopons are called. It's something close to Nipons or Nyiopons or something. This is how forgettable Xenoblade was to me. How sad.

Let's see, can I at least remember the main characters' names?

Shulk, Rhine (oh god I can't remember the spelling), Melia, Sharla, Seven, Rikki, Dunban

Aw I just remembered. They were Nopons. I guess I remember somewhat

>>388066978
Not same person, but art isn't about making the best thing because the best thing is entirely subjective.

>>388067316
Obviously. I mean the best thing by your own subjective standards. Hence why you would create in your favorite genre, because the 'best' thing according to your tastes would be in your favorite genre

>>388058632
>at least the quest systems add to the tone and world of the game, especially after the High Entia transform in Alcamoth

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>>388067606
>mfw opening up affinity chart after that

>>388067606
Guy: meh just do Xenoblade sidequests as you go along in the game
Game: O hay heres this area that totally explodes later and all the quests are gone
Guy: Well you weren't meant to do those side quests anyway

>>388066978
You don't go about creating something with the end goal of "this will be the best ever," you create a story because you want to convey something. You draw a picture because you want to get an idea across. You write a song to express feelings. You direct a movie because you have an idea to share. You strive to convey this the best you can, to improve your craft and be as incredible as you can, but if your goal in and of itself is to make "the best X" you're failing from the start.

Like for real how the fuck can you not get this?
David Bowie's favorite album was Tupelo Blues.

>>388057517
Why people cant understand Soraya Saga, his wife, was the one who made Xenogears what it was?
Why do you think every future game changed so drastically in style when she left?
Her last game was Xenosaga.

>>388067476
My life would be very boring if I only wrote mysteries just because my favorite book is a mystery.

>>388067815
Do you have a newsletter I can subscribe to? You seem like you know your shit, and I need more brain droppings from people like that

>>388067770
are you the same guy who does the 600 korok seed quest in BotW then complains about it?

>>388067848
she made the framework, Takahashi was the one to give depth to the story

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>>388067985
No

>>388068085
Backwards, she's the one who wrote essays on every character.

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>>388068085
Yeah because the games that released after she left where really deep huh

Can anyone link me to a good video playthrough of Xenogears?

>>388067815
Completely wrong.
People do things for different reasons.
What you're describing is "agenda pushing via media" which is generally complete shit.

>>388068421
Saga 3 was pretty deep yeah

>>388060832
I agree. Exdeath is a far better villain than most of the other FF villains just by sheer privilege of not being as nonsensical as they are.

What's wrong with having a simple villain? The Joker is one of the most beloved and renounced villains ever and his motives and thinking is simple.

He'll never make a video game better than Xenogears.

>>388068474
Aura or Aulddragon imo. I used to use Aura as sort of ASMR to go to sleep.

>>388068759
Joker works as the perfect foil to Batman: He creates chaos, while Batman has, since his parent's death, sought to personally enforce order. He's a reminder of what Batman could become one day, if Bats doesn't remain vigilant

Mad Scientist Dr McEvilguy wants to take over the world because reasons.

How you work it into your world and characters makes the difference.

>>388068480
>Stories having feelings, themes or meanings is "agenda pushing" now.

Jesus fucking Christ you can't be real. 9/10.

>>388068547
>Exdeath
>Not nonsense

TURTLE

>>388068480
I guarantee nearly every great work of art across any medium was made to convey an idea or express a feeling. You're being ridiculous with this statement.

>>388068935
Creating something touching (for whatever reason) =/= creating something with the specific goal of generating a thought or emotion

>>388069113
Do you have a single fact to back that up? Generally when authors get asked "why did you create this work" the answers are as diverse as they can fucking get.

>>388069987
Yeah, I'm sure Carpenter wasn't trying to make you feel uneasy or scared when directing The Thing.

Seriously, fuck off.

>>388068015
No, I'm the guy who skips shit sidequests and wonders why they are in the game

>>388069987
>with the specific goal of generating a thought or emotion
That's how writing works.

You'd have to be obscenely incompetent to make a piece of art with a story and NOT intentionally invoke thoughts and emotions.

>>388068898
Is it a playthrough in the Cubex55 sense?

>>388070279
Not him but then by the original standards going for the best work would simply be to generate the best thought or emotion one could out of a work. The "best" thought or emotion would of course depend on the creator. But the creator needs to pick and choose. There's only so many thoughts or emotions one can invest the amount of time needed to evoke, and thus one should go for the work that leads the creator to have a work that gives that creator the best feeling he can think of

>>388070183
What the work tried to do =/= the reason the work exists. Learn to read faggot.

>>388070279
We are talking about the reason.
I'm going to create art that does this =/= I want to do this, so I'll create art

>>388070573
The Thing literally exists to be a scary as fuck horror movie. Its purpose is to impart fear and dread in the audience.
Seriously, get over yourself.

>>388070502
Again, it's not about setting out to be the best, it's about making what you think are the "best" decisions to get across what you intend to.

You don't set out to make the best action movie of all time, you make your action movie and choose what you think would make it as strong as possible.

>>388070654
The odd thing is, I watch horror movies for a weird atmospheric feeling. Not out of fear or dread. Generally horror movies don't scare me anymore although there have been a few exceptions. But it's more like am eerie "kitsch" B movie feel that I want out of them.

>>388061059
It is you tho

>>388070769
But I'm talking about deciding what you intend to get across. Not deciding _how_ to get across that.

>>388062595
Kill yourself I've been saying this for weeks now you need to take your own life

>>388070654
No, "The Thing" exists to make money. Maybe the director was in it for whatever reasons, but most of the people who worked on it did it for the money, and the producers are the ones who allowed it to exist and also wanted money.
Seriously, take off your pink glasses.

>>388057517
Dude was ambitious as fuck, but his dreams were too large to wrap his arms around, and floating too high in the sky to reach even if he could. When his icarus problem clashed with the reality of how shitty publishers are, he was faced with nothing but depression and failure again, and again, and again.

So he lowered his hands to the earth, stuck his fingers into the mud, and rooted around until he pulled out a potato. It may be a dirty and misshapen potato, but it's his, and he can finally hold something in his formerly empty hands that he can eat, or shove back in the mud to spawn more potatoes.

Anyone on this board who'd blame him for this is a fucking guinea twat who needs to go back.

>>388070460
Still want an answer to this

>>388068874
This. He seems to be perfectly content with abandoning his old audience and churning out waifu haremshit forever. Just look at XB2.

>>388067132
>This is how forgettable Xenoblade was to me. How sad
We don't blame you man, the game's forgettableness is just the result of its developer selling out for a quick buck instead of putting actual heart and soul into his product like he used to.

>>388064485
Literally all of us ITT feel the same man. But that is the inevitable fate of being a Jap game developer in 2017. You gotta go full shonenshit to pay the bills.

>>388072921
No. Thank the smashniggers for giving top priority to seasonal LNs disguising themselves as games (i.e. Xenoblade 2)

>>388059757
Sorry anon, but if you're the type of guy that gets upset at XCX looking too different then upset at XC2 looking too similar, you're probably just a faggot.

>>388067848
Because that's nonsense conjecture and you only think it's true because of the change in approach from Takahashi after Xenosaga. Takahashi is hardly even writing anything for the Xenoblade franchise. He threw in the towel.

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It makes me extraordinarily sad that Xenogears as it existed and was planned will never actually come to fruition.

I love the fuck out of Takahashi, the whole high minded existentialism that spiraled into nonsensical Japanese bullshit by the last boss was always my jam. Xenoblade had some of it but nowhere near the level of the previous games he made.

Shame.

What's wrong with playing FPS and porn games? He's specifically stated before that he doesn't enjoy playing RPGs anymore because he views them through the eyes of someone who makes them, not as a consumer. I don't remember where the interview was, but this was his reasoning for not trying to get into filmmaking despite being more passionate about films than video games, he didn't want to stop enjoying films.

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>>388074513
>xenoblade X story had philosophical/psychological/religious themes similar to XG/XS
>it ends when it gets good

XCX2 when

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>That post count
>That IP count
Jesus christ this thread is an echo chamber of faggots jerking themselves off that Takahashi has 'degraded' or some shit just because he isn't trying to make some 6-game long epic. In truth he probably made Xenoblade Chronicles as a warm-up, fell in love with the one-game story, and decided to continue on with it.

XBC was awesome. XCX was awesome. Based on previous experiences I have reason to believe XC2 will also be awesome. And even if there comes a time that Takahashi actually becomes even half the shitty developer you're all making him out to be in this thread, Monolith will always be absolute monsters at world design. Half of playing their games for me is geography porn. Can't wait to explore the backs of monster titans in XC2. Ya'll can have fun jerking each other off on /v/.

Same thing with Persona desu, Persona, EP and ES were largely based around psychological and philosophical concepts then P3 came out and it was just LOL SCHOOL DAYS.

>>388074648
>When it ends it gets good
Too bad the rest is utter shit.

>>388074648
>XCX2 when
Never. Again, thank the smashniggers for that.

>>388074820
We feel you bro. Hope you're still holding up while Persona 5 gets fellated by ironic weebs for being more of the same high school trash.

>>388074728
Oh hey I was wondering where you went, XB2-kun.

>>388075010
These rpg-kuns are becoming ubiquitous.
We need to start an art collection for them like os-tans.

>>388057517
He probably hasn't changed at all. What the hell did you expect him to play?

>>388065160
Only one add to the story in a tiny way. It was looking for some mother near the end game...I think

>>388060832
>i dont care about exdeath
>he didnt care about a fucking tree that was so evil he destroyed the world

>>388075010
>smashniggers
smash had nothing to do with it. you know whats actually to blame?
The japanese
Those no taste moon speaking motherfuckers massively complained that XCX's protagonist was a blank slate and that elma just ended up speaking for the group, and because of that the story ended up basically being completely disconnected from the MC. Japs basically begged for shonenshite.

All I know is during xenoblade 2 Rex is hitting the bench as soon as I get 4 party members

>>388076874
Great point. Still, smashniggers and ironic weebs over in the west are eating this trash up like the second coming of jesus when former Xeno fans look at it and just see a trashy shonen shite. Just like you and me.

Why does everything I love have to die?

>XB2-kun is so shitscared of accepting the fact that he's shilling for shonenshit LN that he doesn't even engage people who are criticizing it anymore
Can't make this shit up bros.

>>388076874
>buying the game to begin with
We all know what to expect: a shonen story about a whiny shota and his sword harem and blablabla power of friendship also the gameplay is watered down and railroaded to shit.

Bump for nuweeb asspain because we didn't approve of their glorified LN.

>>388077784
>>388078692
>angry at "nuweebs", thinking they're asspained
>while bawling like a little livejournal twink and throwing spaghetti everywhere
I don't think you're achieving the results you believe you are, newfriend.