"Japanese were so far behind technologically!"

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>>388038617
>Where did this meme that Japanese were technologically behind come from?
Recent games

Performance is secondary to ease of use, efficiency and platform compatibility.

>>388038965
>Performance is secondary to ease of use, efficiency and platform compatibility.

MT Framework had all these in spades.

>all these people with far more experience and better technical proficiency than me said so
>do they know something I don't? No, that can't be it. Surely they just do not know these basic pieces of information despite working in the industry

>>388038892
Hellblade is the nail in the coffin right there, if Ninja Theory can produce a game like that on a budget on their own then Japanese developers backed by actual publishers have no excuse.

>>388039171

Hellblade looks like an ugly turd.

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>>388038892
Only goods games on the left.

>>388039121
Not really, it was nowhere near as efficient or usable as Unreal Engine 3, and in the age of Unreal Engine 4, Unity and such, there is a reason even Capcom dumped in favor of Unreal and their new RE Engine.

>>388039319
Retarded weeb detected

>>388039238
Its facial animation alone beats Uncharted 4, and that's not getting into the rest of the package. Your weeb is showing.

>>388038892

What does this prove? West makes big "spectacle" games that bore me to tears. Out of all those games, only Dark Souls 3, Nioh, and Last Guardian interest me. I want games that play like "games" and not movies. Western games are fucking cancer.

>>388039171
Hellblade's short as fuck though.

>>388038892
game next to witcher?

>>388039525

Ugly art style, boring gameplay. NT has never made a single game that has interested me, and DmC is a huge stepdown from 4.

>>388038617
I want to believe DMC5 will exist and not fall for the Unreal meme.

>>388039620
>why do people think japan is technologyy behind
>gives reason
>what does this proven durr

>>388039803

There is absolutely nothing wrong with Nioh or Dark Souls 3. They are nice looking modern games.

>>388039238
Go meme elsewhere.

>>388039689
Kingdom Come Deliverance

>>388038617
>>388038892
>west: graphics over gameplay
>japan: gameplay over graphics
Really makes you think.

>>388038892
The west's obsession with TECHNOLOGY is why their side of the video game industry is in such a sorry state right now and has been since day one.

>>388039171
You sacrifice certain things to get that kind of graphical fidelity. What you fail to say is Hellblade plays like utter shit. 9/10 games on the left play like utter shit and focus too much on graphical fidelity and "Press X to Awesome" to have meaningful gameplay.

Call me when ANY western dev, or any jap dev for that matter, makes a game that looks like Hellblade but plays as good and as fast as Bayonetta or Devil May Cry

>>388038617
fox engine made by a french guy

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>>388038892
whoah... really... makes u think...

>>388040392
>complains about press x to awesome
>thinks DMC and Bayonetta aren't these

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>>388040450
Yeah really makes you think

Considering most of the majors engines that became the industry standard are western designed, yes, the Japs are behind. Programming languages? Western designed. Server technology? Western designed.

>>388040392
>Press X to Awesome" to have meaningful gameplay.

Just like Persona

>>388038892
Japan has better gameplay, better art style, better enemy AI, etc

>>388038892
To be fair FFXV's graphics were extraordinary at times.

>>388040737
>left - two Japanese games
>right - zero Japanese games

>>388040863
more like keft game made by big compagnies
and right game made by indies.

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>>388040450

>>388040785
Xcom shits on any modern jap turnbased game

>>388040785
>Japan has better gameplay
Yeah persona, xenoblade, star ocean, FFXV have such compelling gameplay
>better art style
Wrong, they thrive for realusm but fall flat look at FFXV
>better enemy AI
they literally stand there waiting for you to attack

>>388040789
and guess who made the engine?

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>PS4 Japanese game in 2017

>>388040785
>better gameplay and artstyle.


That's just the weeb in you saying objective shit. I hate Asian artstyles with the exception of darksouls that takes on a more European style anyway

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>>388040946
Sweet, when is GOTY 2017 coming to PC?

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>>388041180

>>388041050
Square Enix

make me laugh how weeb damage control.
they left the thread

>>388038617
>>PhyreEngine
is this a joke?

MT framework was fine but fox sucks too.

Probably the biggest problem in japanese games visually is that weird inconsistency in quality of graphics. You can have beautiful vistas but them character models look stiff, some otherwise beautiful nip games have horrid NPC models, some environmental assets look very outdated...

Of course that doesn't really matter in the big picture of things because I don't play games for graphics, but it's still something that's often noticeable.

>>388041845

Bloodborne and DS3 are made in PhryeEngine. They look great.

>>388040105
>Japan
>"gameplay"
Yeah, because we need another turn-based RPG with anime characters and a horrible story with 300 hours of grinding.

>>388040616
Fuck off ACfag.

>>388042671
Fuck off, Todd.

>>388042291
Jap games often have very clear quality discrepancies between "actors" and "props". Like that coldsteel game, the character look nice with some nice texturework, but props are extremely blocky with N64 textures. I seriously doubt that the textures were made only for 256x256 res, and couldn't use something better for the stronger console versions. I think it has something to do with Japan's habit of supporting old tech for as long as possible. Most Japanese PS4 games are more than likely made for PS3 and Vita as well, so the weaker version is the baseline they are built upon.

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>>388042671

>Every japanese game are low budget anime moe turn based jrpgs.

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>>388038892
i can cherrypick too
western engine vs japanese engine

>>388038892
Nioh and Dark Souls 3 were baller shut your mouth

>>388042968

I WANT TO ____ CID!

>>388042424
That's actually wrong but even if it were true those games run like fucking shit on console.

How come whenever someone posts an example of a good looking Japanese game it's always deliberately emulating a Western style?
>Dark Souls
>Bloodborne
>MGS
>Dragon's Dogma
>Dead Rising

>Where did this meme that Japanese were technologically behind come from? Even the Japanese themselves believed it.
Durrrr maybe because it's fucking true dumbass? Wtf do you even know about engine tech? Nothing? Do you just think that since it's Japan they should automatically be better by default because youre a massive fucking weab?

>>388042671
Japan has actual alternatives with rich, deep and brutal gameplay. What does the west have? Indies? HAHAhAHa HA Ah AH ah AH AHh AH AH HA HA!

>>388041845
>Fox sucks
Now this I can't forgive. One of the biggest losses to gaming is the fucking Fox Engine, you turd.

>>388039171
This
You cant come up with the triple A bullshit excuse anymore

Japs are just lazy

>>388038892
Besides Witcher, everything on the left is garbo

>>388040450
Xbox is literally deader than the WiiU in Japan, and a lot of Japanese games have been coming to PC.

>>388044215
It fucking does. It costs god knows how much money and for what?

>>388044791
>a lot of Japanese games

umm sweetie, ports of ancient games on now-dead consoles don't count.

>>388042974
DaS3's engine is shit.

Demon Souls and Dark Souls use the PhyreEngine. From has just been updating it on their own since then.

>>388042424
Both run like ass and have shitty lighting, which is why everything looks so fucking muddy.

>>388045150
>Demon Souls and Dark Souls use the PhyreEngine.
No they don't retard.

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>>388045302

https://books.google.it/books?id=LlLSBQAAQBAJ&pg=PA29&lpg=PA29&dq=dark+souls+phyre+engine&source=bl&ots=h7Ytw2wdG6&sig=Ue13KBFP_14V446d4fI5YmEni6M&hl=it&sa=X&ei=IMtLVbiRBIKrU_LFgYgB&ved=0CFUQ6AEwBzgK#v=onepage&q=dark%20souls%20phyre%20engine&f=false

>>388038617
>DmC
>>Unreal
>>30fps on PS3/360
That doesn't come from Unreal. Guilty Gear Xrd is made in Unreal, runs smoothly and looks gorgeous. Same with the lastest Dragon Ball fighter game.
Y'all need to stop with the "engine = predefined performance" meme, they obviously have different overheads but the dev is still mostly responsible for its performance.

>>388045480
https://twitter.com/jasondoig/status/367528002910822400?lang=en

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>>388042968
>Squeenix went around recruiting a bunch of western devs from eidos montreal, crystal dynamics, and IO interactive to create the limunous engine
>g-griorious nippon engine forded one mirrion times!

>>388045692
>Lead Sony engine developer
>Muslim SJW
The jokes write themselves.

>>388043681
Retards think realistic and technically impressive = good looking.

>>388038617
Eh, nah, Japanese games are shit and so are their engines. Unreal is just okay, but you're right that Bethesda are fucking hacks, even worse than Jap crap by a long shot.

>>388045692

The fuck does he know? He doesn't work at From.

>>388044791
The PS4, this year alone, got Yakuza Zero, Nioh, Persona 5, Puyo x2 Tetris, Project Diva Future Tone, Azure Revolution, Resident Evil 7, among others. Of these, only RE7 came to PC, the only noteworthy games PC got this year are ports of games consoles had years prior, like cold steel, nier 2, and some senran game. It's easy to see that PC is not a major platform for Japanese games like everyone else makes it out to be.

PC ain't getting shit.

>>388038617

It's still just console trash. The overwhelming majority of their PC ports and games are horribly ported and/or optimised.

>>388046495
>It's easy to see that PC is not a major platform for Japanese games like everyone else makes it out to be.

Thank god. One less genre of trash I have to sift through on Steam.

>>388046495
Literally 99% of those are shit, you can emulate P5, and PC got even more exclusives than all of those combined including the wothwhile multiplats you mentioned.

You're a fucking retard but yeah keep playing Azure Revolution and Project Diva you literal sperg.

>>388038617
Do you even know what an engine? Your posting frame rates from specific games like it means something.

Why do you think companies are willing to pay 5% of their gross to Unreal for the privilage of using their engine while these other engines you said are only used by their local company? It's obvious which one is better. The only reason the local engines exist is because it's cheaper than giving Unreal their cut.

>>388047031
>Your posting frame rates from specific games like it means something.

MT Frameworks is much more efficient an engine than Unreal 3 and is easier to get 60fps.

>>388046495
Rance, VR Kanojo, Honey Select, and the definitive edition of all Japanese multiplat games(there are more of these than good Japanese console exclusives) make PC gaming better for Japanese games.

Not to mention emulation.

>>388041201
this game is so good and the only reason I don't regret owning a ps4. I don't even use my ps4 anymore and so hyped for kiwami, probably gonna poopsock it the first weekend I have with it

>>388047031
>Why do you think companies are willing to pay 5% of their gross to Unreal for the privilage of using their engine while these other engines you said are only used by their local company? It's obvious which one is better. The only reason the local engines exist is because it's cheaper than giving Unreal their cut.

Or it's a dumb bandwagon nips jumped on due to their inferiority complex and thinking Westerners are inherently better?

>>388038892
Real fucking easy to make a good looking game when it's less than 10 hours long, Witcher 3 is the only exception, modded oblivion doesn't count for shit either

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>>388038892
Its easy to make a game looks amazing when its actually a fucking movie
Bloodborne is still the best game of all time even with the 30fps chromatic aberration bullshit

>>388047350
Its eaay to make a game over 10 hours long when its filled with slow tedious combat and activities

>>388047423
>muh movie
Well meme'd

>>388046816
>PC doesn't have them so it's shit

Classic case of sour grapes.

>>388047203
>indie games (because console licensing is too expensive for indie devs) and porn games (because consoles don't allow porn games)

>definitive edition of Jap multiplats

Yeah, like the Evil Within and uh... oh wait that's right! Japanese multiplats DON'T FUCKING EXIST

>muh emulation

>>388042671
Dragon dogma easily shits on any similar western game in term of combat

>>388048404
Not him but I don't even give a shit about the weeb trash they put on Steam recently. I wish they had kept their garbage on consoles, we already have enough shovelware shit.

>>388048404
Guess which platform got Vanquish on 60 fps

>>388038617
>Where did this meme that Japanese were technologically behind come from? Even the Japanese themselves believed it. They've now all hopped on the Unreal train. An engine that is by no means any better than what anyone else was using.
If you don't know shit about engines or why companies make the decisions they do don't talk about the situation as if you have authority on it. They use an already made engine for the same reason anyone does: $$$$$

>>388047741
>muh "muh argument"
Well meme'd

>>388048404
>>PC doesn't have them so it's shit
Wait where did I say that? It's a fact those games are fucking awful.

>>>>>>>indie games (because console licensing is too expensive for indie devs) and porn games (because consoles don't allow porn games)
Now this is sour grapes.

>Yeah, like the Evil Within and uh... oh wait that's right! Japanese multiplats DON'T FUCKING EXIST
lol you're so ignorant it's not even funny, you already mentioned a couple of them but yeah ignore all fighting games all anime games, MGS games, Final Fantasy games, and lord knows how many more I haven't mentioned.

Stay mad you fucking vocaloid fanboy, absolute autist.

>>388038892
look at those....games. I think one good game on left?

>>388048404
Sorry turbonigger I have a PC Xbone and PS4 and after i got done with Bloodborne all ive been playing is fuking Zelda on Cemu. Western games fuking suck even with the 300 million dollar budgets and Ultra Highdef 8k textures

>Put the best game engines for Japan down only used on a handful of games
>Compare it with the easily accessible Unreal 3 engine

What did the weeb mean by this?

>>388038617
DMC4 is made up of simple, relatively small rooms and areas that you progress through. There's jack shit to render most of the time, so I'd be surprised if it didn't get a decent framerate.

>>388042671
Japan makes definitively better action games. Compare Darksiders or God of War with Metal Gear Rising or Devil May Cry. Japan wins by a mile.

>>388051117
Tera is the best action game for me, Koreans are the best. They even made games like Vindictus which are pretty cool.

>>388038617
Japanese focus on performance and efficiency. They try to see how far they can push a little bit.

Western focus on impact and impressive tech.
They try to see how much effects, polygons, objects, textures, ect they can get on screen at once.