Why is everyone so upset about this?

literally no one wanted this

valve was just riding on the success and money generating power of hearthstone

>>388029447
>literally no one wanted this

So? People dont know what they want until they want it

A new game from Valve in several years and it's a card game that was based on another Valve game

It's a game where the entire point of the game is to have better cards than your opponent being made by the company that has conditioned their fanbase to accept microtransactions and buying/selling on their own market place

>>388029447
Nobody wanted TF2, there was already TFC. but when it came out people flocked to it.

>>388029518
Yeah dude I didn't know gambling was so great till all these games started forcing it down my throat Have a hearty go fuck yourself..

>>388029381
Derivative garbage with a game model designed to Nickle and Dime you out of money. The kind of things they want to do to modding.

>>388029381
Multiple reasons
>Valve hasnt released a good game in ages
>Everything they do is super greedy shit like boxes. Gambling for kids. That alone make a lot of people start hating on valve.
>TCG is inheritely a greedy P2W genre
But i am actually a little optimistic. I been wanting a decent card game that isnt dead for a while.

It's a fucking children's card game

>>388029381
Blizzcucks fearing Hearthstones death.

>>388029798
I wish wizards would finally get their digital head out of their fucking asses and make a decent digital playmat for magic that isnt restricted to the few recent sets before its forgotten again.

>>388030001
That'll never happen. Same with D&D. They're just digging their own grave as they cannot find a reasonable way to move their business to the digital age.

Everyone is upset over the death of their mediocre hallway shooter.

>>388030082
I really hope you're wrong.But i know you're right :(

>>388030085
I think most people on /v/ already gave up on HL.
It still doesnt make recent valve any less jew

>>388029381
Tf2 and CSGO are falling apart
Steam is getting worse and worse

and instead of hiring more people to the TF2 team which is only six people might I add
They make some shitty Hearthstone rip off

>>388031234
nobody cares about tf2 anymore grandpa

>>388031416
and no one cares about your shitty card game shekel bait, Gabe

>>388031493
*tips neon-green fedora*

I actually like tcgs and look forward to this

lore in dota 2 is a clusterfuck they don't know what to do about. Yet they are releasing a fucking card game set in an universe that doesn't make any fucking sense.


Everyone who thinks that they shouldn't release a card game is retarded btw. Woow a company is aiming to make some money. Who would have thought that.

>>388029381
Because most people are too retarded to understand that a company can work at multiple projects at once.

>>388031707
>lore in MtG is a clusterfuck they don't know what to do about. Yet they are releasing a fucking card game set in an universe that doesn't make any fucking sense
wew

>>388029665
Dota 2 has the best FTP model there is though. Plus, didn't they say this would be an actual trading card game and not a CCG? So you can actually get the cards you want and trade good dupes for other stuff you need.

>>388029381
another stupid card game
there's already a million card games you can play online, some of which you can play on steam itself
it seems like a blatant cash grab
it doesn't help that it's DOTA exclusive and won't have any cards based on other valve games like half life, team fortress, portal or left 4 dead
DOTA lore is incredibly bland and the characters are like chinese knockoffs of blizzard characters
people who love DOTA don't care about this because they only care about DOTA and people who don't like DOTA have no reason to play this over hearthstone or shadowverse or the elder scrolls card game or a physical card game like magic or yugioh where you can actually trade and sell cards

>>388031627
Same. Especially if the rumors about the gameplay being really unique with creeps and gold farm are true.

Proof of how creatively bankrupt Valve is.
>b-but it will make them money so it's good because business is good uhm something like that... basically praise gaben!
Bully for them.

>>388032803
What else did they announce at that presentation

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>>388031707
>You can't criticize a company because they're just after money

valve has been shit since 2013. sadly they won't go bankrupt due to the monopoly steam has. but boy do i hope amazon or google or someone fucks them in the ass

>>388033589
>sadly they won't go bankrupt due to the monopoly steam has
Dota prints money m8.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0qZTS38cjw

LMAO

>>388033413
It was announced during a Dota tournament, so I wouldn't say it's a presentation but Gabe said they're working on three new titles in March interviews.

>>388029381
>everyone
No, just /v/.

>>388029381
dotafags don't know what they want.
day one there will be 100k people play that shitty game

watch

>>388032810
MtG makes perfect sense though

>>388029381
Because Valve is dead

>>388034007
Like artifact does.

I'm looking forward to it only if it's not like hearthstone or shadowverse. The main reason I was upset at the reveal was because of day9 saying "it's a new IP, it's not HL3, not portal 3, or have anything to do with dota 2 or csgo"

>>388033720
dota has been bleeding players due to their mismanagement and it won't last in its current state for long (2-3 years). it'll eventually fade back to ti2-3 viewership and prizepool money

steam, on the other hand, will keep on growing and generating more money.

>>388034149
>dota has been bleeding players
[citation needed]

>eventually fade back
Like every game.

Thanks for your input, Einstein.

>>388034080
no
dota has fucking terrible lore
there's like 14 different heroes that are omnipotent fundamentals of the universe, everything is just a big mess of random ass locations that has nothing to do with each other, it's not a coherent world but just a bunch of different backdrop locations made up just for the specific hero backstory, and then they might combine the backstory of two heroes but now it's just a random ass fantasy backdrop made for TWO different characters that has no relation to the other parts of the world
sure they maybe could forge a coherent world through those cards eventually, but they sure as fuck are starting off in a terrible fucking position

>>388034570
MTG has fucking terrible lore.
There's like 14 different planeswalkers that are omnipotent nerds of the universe, everything is just a big mess of random ass locations and planes that has nothing to do with each other, it's not a coherent world but just a bunch of different backdrop locations made up just for the specific color themes, and then they might combine the backstory of two expansions but now it's just a random ass fantasy backdrop made for TWO different characters that has no relation to the other parts of the world.
Sure they maybe could forge a coherent world through those cards eventually, but they sure as fuck are starting off in a terrible fucking position.

>>388034434
steamcharts shows the playerbase went to 2014 levels. considering you know this already and are pretending there's no proof, i can already tell you're a deluded valvecuck. no point talking to you

>>388033828
3 new *projects
1. Artifact
2. Probably VR shit
3. Probably more VR shit

>>388029774
Don't spend money on things you don't want to spend money on, you don't have a fucking arguement you fucking retard, you don't hate this game for any other reason than being a bandwagoning cuck.

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>>388034779
Is this you?

>>388034925
Are you legally retarded?

>>388034960
Are you?

>>388033341
Creeps, gold, 3 lanes, and 5 heroes with abilities are confirmed. The rumors floating around now are all based around the pricing model, or lack thereof.

>>388035201
Obviously no. I ain't the guy who thinks that MtG have good or coherent lore. BTW the question was rhetoric, you dumbfuck.

>>388034891
3 new *VR *projects
1. VR shit
2. VR shit that might be L4D3
3. VR shit set in the Portal/HL universe (but not directly)

Valve
>Hasn't released a game by themself since 2013
>Hasn't made something that didn't follow a trend since 2012 (First LoL, Now Hearthstone.)
>Hasn't released a single player experience since 2011 with Portal 2
>Hasn't released a new IP since 2010 with Alien Swarm
>L4D2 came out 2009
>TF2 came out 2007
>HL2:E2 came out 2007

So far, It has been VR gimmick... Ports to Japanese arcades and now a card game when people are wanting either a New IP or L4D3 OR HL3 which have been teased with files in source 2

Fuck, Is Source 2 even out?

>>388035304
Magic lore is perfectly coherent. They've got several different settings, yes, but those settings are internally consistent. Or are you going to challenge this claim by doing anything other than going "nuh uh nuh uh valve is perfect"?

>>388029381
It's hard to be upset when I lost faith in Valve years ago. This is just yet another disappointment. Valve has so much fucking money yet instead of using it to take risks they're just doubling down on F2P microtransaction bullshit. It's creative bankruptcy. Which is not that surprising since all the creative people left after they realized Valve would never make a single-player game again.

>>388035451
Source 2 is out; Dota 2, The Lab, SteamVR Home, and soon CS:GO use it. For the end user, though, the differences between Source 1 and Source 2 are negligible; the biggest improvements in the new engine are all developer focused.

Because people actually thought they were going to announce a game that rivaled half life.

>>388035701
Magic "lore" is inconsistent and retarded, just as you, and as shitty as Valve.

>>388035797
At least they didn't announced a HL card game yet.

>>388035823
>nuh uh
wow look mom a retard without an argument

>>388035928
>a retard without an argument that keep posting to have the last word
Literally you.

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>>388036015

>>388035928
He is right tho, you can't shit at dota lore for being full of omnipowerful gods and look at magic and say, hey thats pretty cool.

Last time I checked there were only 4 fundamentals, KotL being the light, CK being the chaos, wisp being the positive/negative force and enigma being the gravity. Elder titan created them when he divided the forces of the universe.

>>388029381
*AAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHWWWWWW*

I have some faith in valve in this. They haven't made a single bad game yet.

>>388036428
Then you have weaver who is part of a race of dimension makers, Ancient aparition who is the literal death of the universe or some shit like that, and Arc warden is like another ancient, or shard of the mad moon who wants to destroy both bands. Those just come to mind right now.

>>388035451

Things that came out with the last Half-life game and sequels since.

>WoW Burning Crusade (Wrath, Cata, Mists, Warlords, Legion)
>Phoenix Wright: Justice for All and T&T ( Apollo, Duel Destinies, Spirit of Justice)
>Pokemon Diamond and Pearl (Enough said)
>Drake and Josh: Talent Showdown
>Bioshock (2 and Infinite)
>Halo 3 (ODST, Wars, Reach, 4,5, Wars 2)
>Digimon Dawk and Dusk
>Viva Pinata
>CoD Modern Warfare (Enough said)
>Super Mario Galaxy
>Assassin's Creed (Enough SAID)

>>388029381
>Blizzard copies your game called TF2
>they make it a watered down shit version of it

>in return you steal their card game concept
>make it much better
>profit
kek

>>388036428
Not quite, the fundamentals were around since the beginning of reality, the shapers, including Elder Titan, appeared shortly after. ET himself is only partially responsible for the shattered state of the planet, with Radinthul and Diruulth fucking things up even further after crash landing on the planet.

>>388036428
>>388036685
Dota has some high power levels

>>388036848
>blizzard invented card games

>>388036428
>>388036685
>>388036851
>all these ultra powerful beings get peeped by a midget with a rifle
HO HO, HA HA.

>>388037228
*tips*

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>>388029381
Because it finally opened the eyes of many people to just how low Valve has gone.

They used to be the big flagship of the industry. Raising the bar.

It was coming for years now, there were enough signs. But a lot of people, myself included, gave them the benefit of the doubt. I gave up on HL3 a long time ago, but I figured we'd get at least L4D3.
And then this.
They make millions of dollars with their market bs, and they decide it's not good enough, let's copy that HS shit. That'll make money.

I think I'd be a lot more forgiving towards it if there had been an announcement before about L4D or something. But the fact they didn't, not even a half assed teaser like for artifact, just shows they've got nothing, absolutely nothing.

It will probably be a good game. But it was the final nail in the coffin of what respect I had for Valve.

>>388036685
Weavers maintain the universe keeping it safe from any anomaly and and repairing them. The weaver hero is the only one who became bored and decided to create new shit. The others then expelled him from being a weaver but he could create new shit nontheless.

Ancient apparition is the scientific 'big crunch' concept. Theoretically he's the most powerful of all heroes.

>>388036851
>Fundamentals are powerful primordial entities, each representing a facet of the universe. They exist beyond the limits of the physical plane, and possess abilities that defy the laws of nature. Elder Titan created the Fundamentals during the Schism, when he divided the forces of the universe.

https://dota2.gamepedia.com/Fundamentals

My hot-take opinion: I am much more likely to play a new card game than I am to touch a new FPS or MOBA. FPS is dead to me, and I never liked MOBAs to begin with.
Second Hot-take opinion: I am more excited for MTG: Arena than Artifact.

>>388029672
This is their first game in like 5 years other than that VR tech demo and it's a card game
Fuck off

>>388036685
Skitskurr is an exiled member of the Weavers, who were responsible for mending tears in reality. He's cut off from the loom, and only capable of reshaping the reality of this world. His goal is to end the world through Dire's victory in the war of the ancients, so that reality will be torn into pieces he can use to weave his own reality.

>>388037228
Never underestimate the power of gun.

To fight in the war, the fundamentals/gods/all that bullshit had to take physical form; when someone like Enigma dies, their physical bodies have become too damaged to service them, and they have to reform.

>>388031707
What the fuck does lore have to do with card game? Its like _the_ genre where lore is just nonexistant. Like MTG has zero lore and the card design is just random edgelords and the game is still great.

>>388029381
wasting resources they could be putting into dota2 or the 3rd entry into one of their main IPs

>>388037846
>Like MTG has zero lore
Do you even know a single thing about magic?

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I unironically want Steam to go under at this point. I don't even care that I lose my 500+ licenses to games in the process. The few worthwhile ones I've played ad nauseum already anyways. Fucking Valve jews this is unbelievable

>>388037580
>a fan-written wiki is right

Alright, technically the fractures of the fundamentals that exist on this world were separated by Elder Titan, but the fundamentals also existed before the shapers within the fundamental plane.

>>388037946
You have to be fucking autistic to give a shit about lore in a _card_ game.

>>388029381
Because none of the current valve player base wanted a card game, especially based on a game the majority of them either plays it already or has no interest.

I really don't mind the game and a lot of people will probably give it a go but i ain't holding my breath, i also wanted the fucking pyro and heavy update but those will never come out apparently.

Zeus has the best lore

>keeps fucking woman even though hes married
>woman says to him to go and become mortal if he loves them so much
>he does it just because he can and will still fuck his wife after the battle

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>>388029381
Because people has been acumulating resentment at Valve over the last decade and this announcement was the catalyst

>>388038019
>be wrong
>call others autistic

where does all this new games and information come from anyway? I feel like I might be missing out on some niche's game reveal. Where to get the FULL coverage of Gamescom?

>>388038019
Actually, they released some books that were so bad they competed with expanded universe star wars and the Dragonlace sequels. The make Dota lore look good.

The other guy is retarded, or worse, just pretending.

>>388037990
They didn't exist as individuals, they were just one huge force called great symmetry. It was elder titan who divided them.

>>388038246
this one was announced during the international (big money dota tournament) a week ago,

>>388038019
>"MTG has no lore"
>but you are wrong
>"Well there *IS* lore, but it's stupid and I don't like it
Very compelling argument

>>388038246
Artifact was announced during the International, the premiere Dota 2 tournament that takes place in early August.

You're probably missing out on some niche game that was revealed months ago, there's no fucking way to know every single game that's announced.

>>388038423
>>388038497

oh

>>388038246
>getting your information from nomiecom
You'll better stick to reddit.

>>388038395
The shapers were also a part of the great symmetry at one point, so Elder Titan and the fundamentals both existed at the same time. I suppose that Elder Titan developed individuality before the fundamentals, though, but the fundamentals were holding existence together before the shapers were shaping worlds.

>>388029381
>valve has 3 money priting machines already
>resources to make any game they want
>no left 4 dead 3
>no portal 3
>no HL 3
>no new IP
>instead just copy a proven formula to make money
They've been jews for a while now, this one is just a bitter reminder.

>>388029381
as long as they don't make another casual shitfest p2w ccg/tcg then I have no problem
just make it as f2p friendly as games like Shadowverse or Eternal while making the game interactive and fun

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>another card game
is this the open world of 2017?
is this the capeshit of vidya?

>>388039087
>resources to make any game they want
And the majority of the company wants to work on VR, you're just not happy with their decision.

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>>388036428
>You fight all the forces of the universe
>Meanwhile this guy who doesn't like magic shits on all of them

>>388039273
>y wants to work on VR
then fucking do that, I'd be fine with that, that would be something new, even if it were all the same games with VR I'd be fine with that, but this is just bulshit.

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>thinking a card game backed by the steam marketplace won't be hugely successful

bamp

>>388029381
>Announcing a new game at a dota2 tournament
That alone is not surprising why people were upset. Dota2 fans want dota2 heroes, hats, and changes.

Overall? It's mostly due to the fact that they've released nothing in 5 years since from Portal 2. CSGO was technically hidden path and a card game doesn't have the impact of a 'normal' game.

If this was announced after a new ip, HL3, L4D3, or Portal 3 then nobody would really give a shit. Instead you have one guy that really loves Magic inside the company and decided to take the lore that dota 'has'.

>>388040046
They made an entire platform from almost scratch in 2-3 years (late 2012 to early 2015), and they've been working on at least 3 AAA VR titles since then, as well as general improvements to the hardware.

>>388040781
>3 AAA VR

Maybe they're desperately trying to make them not VR now that it's failed.

>>388039195
The only other vidya card game I can think of is HS. However I'm sure valve doing it will cause 1000000 spinoffs, phone games, etc.

>>388040046
>even if it were all the same games with VR I'd be fine with that
They said just that. There's no need to make a big announcement about it since they probably don't want to show anything off in case any of them get canned. Sounds like you're upset that they're not making another game from a previous series.

>>388040885
It sounded like they started dev on real games around finishing up the vive headset. They're not "desperately" trying to save the platform.

>>388040885
>failed
Nah, not yet, tons of manufacturers working on getting reasonably priced Gen 2 hardware out. If/when Gen 2 doesn't sell enough for them to produce a Gen 3, then VR will be dead for another 10-15 years.

>>388034779

Original MTG lore was great

You're an omnipotent wizard hanging out at the end of time battling other wizards because you have nothing better to do. An expansion would just be a collection of important people, items, or events from a plane that you'd add to your arsenal or summon to fight for you.

It completely lost its original flavor when the weatherlight plot started, and just became bad fantasy. Phyrexia was a well done antagonist, though.

>>388041454
That's the setting fampai, not the lore.

>>388029381
Kek valve only cares about jew bucks and card games are the market they haven't dipped their dicks into. Gabe is a fucking hack.

>>388041540

What I mean was the lore wasn't an attempt to be a cohesive, tedious ongoing plot like it turned into. It was just "Here's some stuff from these places, play with it, and a bit of story about why its important". Which worked perfectly fine for a card game

>>388041965
>It was just "Here's some stuff from these places, play with it, and a bit of story about why its important".
Just like Dota. That's why they can use the setting without problems.

>>388041085
Are you joking? The market is already saturated, there's Elder Scrolls legends, a Runescape card game and a bunch of anime card games as well. Also a million mobile clones already, both Western and Chinese/Korean.