What went wrong?

They made it open world. Open world is becoming a dried up genre.

>>388020725
look at this blind brainwashed automaton, following other people's opinions like a fucking sheep.

>>388020642
They forgot to put actually fun things to do in the new open world.

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nothing

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>>388020642
not much
>unbelievably consistent
>so consistent that it gets a little dry after the first fifty hours
>or after the first five if you're jaded af
>great dungeon concepts even if they're all super short
>released so early in the year that it'll lose out GOTY awards to FOTM trash

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this is becoming sad

>>388020642
Pretty much nothing

>>388020642
nintendo gooks dont know how to make a good story anymore

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>>388020642
My only complaints were lack of additional optional runes you could find in the overworld that would've added to that traditional Zelda progression you get and no cave systems to explore, other than that it's perfect as is.

>>388020642
I know I'm in a tiny minority but I liked this game a lot.

>>388020642
You didn't pay attention in school

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>it's way too casual (this point cannot be argued because it has too high of a metacritic score, and game journos HATE challenging games)
>framerate is disgusting
>not enough content to justify wanting to explore, since none of it is required to beat Ganon
>bosses are repetitive and easy to take down, including Calamity Ganon and his multiple forms, especially the last one which is just glorified quick time events
>weapon system is trivial because the game always gives you weapons, so at no point are you up against a wall and forced to "make due with what you have" since the game just throws a bunch of weapons your way anyway
>death has no impact because it's too "videogamey" to actually penalize you for doing bad, so you can just slam your head against a wall until it breaks, which isn't good game design
>vomit-inducing sex fanservice meant to appeal to virgins
>SJW pandering with the cinematic cutscenes
>cross dressing degeneracy (and it doesn't matter what context its in. If it's supporting cross dressing, it's tumblr pandering. If it's making a joke out of it, it's /pol/ pandering. neither are allowed in my video game)
>Way too much DLC which costs way too much. That content should've been in the game, for free, from the start
>hard mode is absolutely terrible, since it's not even that challenging. They basically just changed some health numbers
>not a single likeable character in the game. Iw anted to personally kill Zelda, Mipha, Link, and every Gerudo I saw because of how retarded they act in-game

Of course I don't expect anyone to read these gripes. They'll say "haha salty sonybro" or something, as if to imply I'm not an idort or that I support a certain console company. Any reason to discard complaints.

>no distinct visual theme for dungeons
>dungeons were too short
>sense of progression was really lacking
>lack of enemy variety

Solid game still.

>>388020642
They created a tech demo with some decent mechanics, and then forgot to make an actual game with it.

>>388022131
>muh hardcore games for hardcore gamers such as myself for 12 arrows
>/pol/
>naivete
>lies
yup that about covers it

>>388022131
thanks for the new copypasta

The game is 10/10 when you're first starting out and exploring but the longer you play the more you realize all the flaws and the game becomes a 7/10
I'm glad I got it and beat it before other people starting realizing this too

>>388022629
Once a sequel comes out maybe people will then admit this, BotW is like the first Assassins Creed or Far Cry 2.

>>388022131
half of the points are actually decent but other half is retarded
though i agree there is fucking stupid trend where a character is crossdressed as a joke (a common trope in japanese media) and suddently sad suicidal tumblrinas have to write why is is to important and empowering

>>388020642
Look at your image, OP. See how it says "THE LEGEND OF ZELDA"? That's the name of a video game series. A long-running series that's been around for 30+ years, with around 20 games released. In these games, universally, you've played as Link, navigating through dungeons filled with enemies and puzzles, acquiring new items/equipment/abilities, and fighting interesting bosses that require you to use old and new items to be able to inflict damage.

Breath of the Wild got rid of everything I just mentioned and replaced it with a large world. An extremely large and extremely empty world. It's a Zelda game solely because they needed sales, and this game would not have sold anywhere near as well with a different name.

>>388022630
>muh hardcore games for hardcore gamers
Stop mis-using this phrase. This would only apply if I attacked the game for having a cartoony artstyle, not being realistic enough, or not having enough gore and blood and killing like Call of Duty.

I started emulating it recently and it's pretty fun. Nothing to write home about but I'm definitely enjoying it.

>>388023363
It very clearly applies to both, artstyle and difficulty overlap too often to be able to differentiate like that.

>>388022131
>say a bunch of bullshit
>nobody can defeat my bulletproof argument

Just because your shit is literally too retarded to warrant a serious, good faith response doesn't mean that you won anything

>>388023638
That's total bollocks. There's no problem with wanting a game to be more challenging.

>>388023871
>this argument is totally wrong
>no I don't actually have a reason why, but listen and believe I'm right

>>388022131
is this supposed to be ironic?

>>388023994
that's a completely different argument, and much more subjective than what you're letting on.

>>388023994
>That's total bollocks.
So is saying a game can only be good if it's hard, post discarded.

>>388023994
>>388023994

You outed yourself as a mouthbreathing dumbfuck the second you went off the rails to complain about the SJW bogeyman and degeneracy in what was otherwise pretty good bait

No minish world (only in beta)

No real cool items in my opininon

Zelda was probably the most unappealing character (except for her personalities)

The trials could have been prettier and not always blue + most of them were just tiny guardian battles and retardedly easy puzzles (not counting exploits on how you wanna solve them)

The guardians killed it for me with the laser

last boss was piss easy

Hard mode seems like artificial difficulty from what I hear

Rain 24/7

>>388024407
>>388024535
>>388024562
There's no point in playing a game if it's too easy. Challenge should be an ever-looming presence keeping the player on their toes. You don't want your game to be a movie, do you?

>>388025025
>There's no point in playing a game if it's too easy.
If it's fun then yes there is, difficulty is entirely subjective anyways. For example I found Bloodborne outside of two bosses in the base game to be pretty easy yet it's still one of my favorite games of all time because the exploration and combat was fun for me.

>>388025025
but there is challenge in the game, it's just not all the time. it's called pacing, something a sonyfriend would not know much about.

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>>388024842
>reddit tier tier spacing

>>388025025
autism

>>388021127
>muh_physics.webm
every time

>what went wrong?
Daily threads on /v/ made me hate the game.

>>388025274
S E E T H I N G

>>388022131
>it's way too casual (this point cannot be argued because it has too high of a metacritic score, and game journos HATE challenging games)
This is an opinion, not an objective fact. It is also pure contrarian trash. Claiming a game is bad because "It's not hard enough, too many other people play this game and I feel less special" isn't a valid argument.

>framerate is disgusting
This is actually an objective fact, though it would help to contextualize this statement. If you are comparing it to the 60fps bliss that PC gamers enjoy regularly, then it's about as good as any argument against any game that runs on a console.

>not enough content to justify wanting to explore, since none of it is required to beat Ganon
True, none of it is "required", but it is highly recommend. Just try taking him on without at least having enough hearts to get the Master Sword, unless you are an extraordinarily skilled player (which I'm sure a few people are, but I doubt you) you will very likely fail before you even reach him. I suppose you would be making the game "hard enough" by doing this, however.

>bosses are repetitive and easy to take down, including Calamity Ganon and his multiple forms, especially the last one which is just glorified quick time events
While the bosses lack the flair of previous Zelda titles, they are hardly any more repetitive. Also, I don't see how shooting weakpoints on a giant boar with arrows on horseback is anything like quick time events.

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>>388025158
>If it's fun then yes there is
Fun is a buzzword. You could have fun with Uncharted if your standards are low enough, that doesn't make it a good game.

>>388025579
>weapon system is trivial because the game always gives you weapons, so at no point are you up against a wall and forced to "make due with what you have" since the game just throws a bunch of weapons your way anyway
"Making due with what you have" is using a shitty Boko Club you just picked up because you don't want to break your shiny new broadsword which does far more damage. The game may give you weapons, but it can be a pain to keep the good ones. I suppose it is a gripe, but it sure beats yours.

>death has no impact because it's too "videogamey" to actually penalize you for doing bad, so you can just slam your head against a wall until it breaks, which isn't good game design
This "poor game design" you speak of is literally the core loop of the Souls games, and it has been the defining loop of all previous Zelda games. At this point I'm not even sure you wanted this to be a Zelda game in the first place.

>hard mode is absolutely terrible, since it's not even that challenging. They basically just changed some health numbers
You forgot the increased enemy levels at start, the new traps and floating
Octorok platforms, the new miniboss placement (silver lynel on the Great Plateau for example) and regenerating enemy health.

>Way too much DLC which costs way too much. That content should've been in the game, for free, from the start
>vomit-inducing sex fanservice meant to appeal to virgins
>SJW pandering with the cinematic cutscenes
>cross dressing degeneracy (and it doesn't matter what context its in. If it's supporting cross dressing, it's tumblr pandering. If it's making a joke out of it, it's /pol/ pandering. neither are allowed in my video game)
>not a single likeable character in the game. Iw anted to personally kill Zelda, Mipha, Link, and every Gerudo I saw because of how retarded they act in-game
All of these points are too subjective to be valid arguments.

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>>388025274
>it was done before argument

then why dont more games do it?

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>>388025581
nice try autist

>>388020642
Absolutely nothing. I went back to it recently and it's still one of the best games ever.
A true Kino

>>388025638
>Fun is a buzzword.
The state of /v/ these days.

>>388025579
>It is also pure contrarian trash.
Not if I have valid reason to hate the mainstream reviewers who couldn't even beat the first level of Nu-Doom.

>If you are comparing it to the 60fps bliss that PC gamers enjoy regularly, then it's about as good as any argument against any game that runs on a console.
I am actually. it's why I think it's funny that someone called me a sonygro a while back when Sony has this problem even worse.

>Just try taking him on without at least having enough hearts to get the Master Sword,
You can do that pretty damn easily. Shoot, a speedrunner did it at SGDQ and all they had was 3 amiibos. Of course you can say "b-but the amiibos give OP weapons" which opens up a whole new can worms as to why they essentially become pay2win, or why Nintendo would want people to have instant win buttons.

>Also, I don't see how shooting weakpoints on a giant boar with arrows on horseback is anything like quick time events.
Considering the game constantly slows down so you don't miss, and the game is constantly telling you what to do, as if you can't imply what to do on your own, is insulting enough.

>>388025638
What are you even trying to express here, apart from bitterness at the lack of joy your hobby brings you?

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>>388025751
>muh_physics.webm
>my_soulless_mediocre_open_world_vidya_does_some_subtle_thing_better_than_this_other_soulless_mediocre_open_world_game.webm
>every single thread
>every single time
>tfw

>>388025751
I got the platinum trophy in Horizon and stopped botw halfway through. The PS4 was also literally the first time in my life I ever bought something from Sony.

>>388026043
If you make a game more fun at the expense of casualization then it's a bad game.

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>>388020642
Not much. It's ranked as one of the best games of all time, single-handedly cemented the Switch launch and objectively set a new standard for an enitre genre.

/v/ will never live down the humiliation.

>>388025664
>"Making due with what you have" is using a shitty Boko Club you just picked up because you don't want to break your shiny new broadsword which does far more damage.
And does the game prevent you from just farming shiny new broadswords? No, it doesn't. You can go on about how "very few games discourage farming" but I don't really care. Following a common trend does not mean you're immune to the criticisms from it. It just means you fell into the same exact trap with no way to compensate.

>This "poor game design" you speak of is literally the core loop of the Souls games,
The overrated, poorly optimized, often broken-at-launch Souls series? I do believe that's a point in my favor.

>At this point I'm not even sure you wanted this to be a Zelda game in the first place.
I really don't care if it's a Zelda game. I just want it to be a good game. It's like saying Majora's Mask is bad because Zelda isn't that big a player in it. Sometimes you gotta ditch some conventions to make the game work better.

>You forgot the increased enemy levels at start, the new traps and floating
Octorok platforms, the new miniboss placement (silver lynel on the Great Plateau for example) and regenerating enemy health.
Essentially, garbage. I don't see any new AI revamps that change up how enemies fight you. I just see more things you can easily cirvumvent if you've already played the game. It's the equivalent of giving enemies more HP, you've just made the fight all the more tedious.

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>>388026397

>>388020642

7/10 game that no one can discuss normally because the world is empty while better games like New Vegas or STALKER still get weekly threads to this day while this thread will probably die in less than 200 posts because everyone's too tired to argue against nintendo drones who can only >greentext with le funny image.

>>388026289
Fun is not an argument as to a game's quality. It's just something that only works with your personal view of the product.

>haha if you don't like Zelda you hate video games, nothing else will ever be good
Whoa, easy there shill.

>>388026334
Physics are the future of gaming, retard, specially since certain areas in graphics will be reaching their peak soon.

>>388021127
KILL YOU

>>388020642
It's over and we'll have to wait years to play another one

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>>388026572
>I really don't care if it's a Zelda game. I just want it to be a good game. It's like saying Majora's Mask is bad because Zelda isn't that big a player in it. Sometimes you gotta ditch some conventions to make the game work better.

Majora's Mask is bad because it's a fucking lazy rehash loved by autistic fedoras

>>388020961
>>388020961
>>388020961

>>388026842
Hey now, I was just using it as an example. I spoke nothing about its quality. I could easily use Link's Awakening for the same purpose.

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Six months later and /v/ still cannot name a single game fit to hold a candle next to BotW. I will never not find this hilarious.

>>388026662
Nice projection there with your memetext, kiddo.

>>388026842
>majoras mask
>rehash

what did he mean by this?

>>388027034
Morrowind, Dragon's Dogma and Horizon Zero Dawn.

>>388026842
>Majora's Mask is bad because it's a fucking lazy rehash
>lazy rehash

It's fucking completely unique in the series you dumb little shitstain.

>>388027153
No. Sorry. None come anywhere close to the player agency, freedom of movement and world design in BotW. Keep trying.

>>388026217
>Not if I have valid reason to hate the mainstream reviewers who couldn't even beat the first level of Nu-Doom.
That doesn't further your argument against BOTW in the slightest, it is an argument about an entirely different part of the videogame industry.

>I am actually. it's why I think it's funny that someone called me a sonygro a while back when Sony has this problem even worse.
I will say it is a fair point to criticize BOTWs framerate, so point to you there. The Sony stuff doesn't add anything however.

>You can do that pretty damn easily. Shoot, a speedrunner did it at SGDQ and all they had was 3 amiibos. Of course you can say "b-but the amiibos give OP weapons" which opens up a whole new can worms as to why they essentially become pay2win, or why Nintendo would want people to have instant win buttons.
You missed the part where I admitted it could be done with great skill. Calamity Ganon is a boss that most players would find overly challenging without completing a good amount of shrines and fighting the four Divine Beasts. My point is that, although Ganon himself isn't locked off to you at all, meaning you can skip all of the game's content if you so wish, it does have a purpose, one that most players would be content enough with. Of course, I'm sure you don't want to agree with anything "most players" would like.

>Considering the game constantly slows down so you don't miss, and the game is constantly telling you what to do, as if you can't imply what to do on your own, is insulting enough.
This is a valid enough point I suppose, it certainly isn't challenging, I must agree. I did still find it fun, however, but that is entirely subjective.

Bought it on release and played it for about 100 hours. After that i played through horizon zero dawn and witcher. Eventhough botw has some obious flaws that become more and more apparent the more you play it's the only one of the three that i feel like replaying. Enjoyed hzd and tw3 though.

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>>388027034
I can name multiple. I'll even double your fun and name my various GOTY's for the years.

>>388020642
Difficulty scaling for mentally ill adult-children wasn't steep enough. The amount of content they offered encouraged the trash of the Earth to dedicate 200 hours plus to the game. Due in part to the fact that it's a game designed to be played by anyone of any age, the difficulty disappears from the game the farther along that 200 hour stretch you get. The trash got mad and started whining incessantly about it.

>>388027124
>>388027182
>Fedora cucks being this mad

It's a blatant rehash that reuses OoT's assets and ideas. OoT is a better game too.

>>388027491

>it's a "botw drone pretends he's played other zeldas" episode

>>388027404
Back to pitchfork.com with you indie cuck.

>>388027330
>That doesn't further your argument against BOTW in the slightest
It proves that Zelda is too easy. Time and time again /v/ has argued that game journos hate good games because they're too hard. Remember the defense forces for Wonderful 101 and Donkey Kong Country Returns? I'm sorry, but you can't take that back. Not after 5+ years.

>Calamity Ganon is a boss that most players would find overly challenging without completing a good amount of shrines and fighting the four Divine Beasts.
So why didn't game journos have a problem? Not even one complained about the difficulty. And they're pretty much a sign of a game's difficulty, in particular they're inversely proportional to how challenging a game is.

>>388027404

You know he's just going to reply with:

>lol no

You think he actually plays games?

>>388026572
And does the game prevent you from just farming shiny new broadswords? No, it doesn't.

Yes, it does, you can't farm enemies because they don't respawn until set points in time. You would have to sit around and skip over days over and over again until a blood moon in order to farm.

>Essentially, garbage. I don't see any new AI revamps that change up how enemies fight you.

Name a single game that has a hard mode that does this. In fact, name on that does literally ANYTHING other than increase enemy density/health/damage.

At this point it seems like the only kind of game you think is good is some arcade game tier shit where the game literally doesn't want you to reach the end without spending dozens of quarters. Seriously, tell us what sort of games you think are actually good so we can all laugh at you.

>>388027338
hzd and tw3 are the same type of boring. Offer an obscene amount of content with thousands of work hours poured into side-quest writing to mask the fact that every gameplay encounter is the same, and the gameplay itself is restricted to one masked play style buried sparkly animations, shiny graphics, and progression trees that tell you otherwise.

>>388027404
>Comparing completely different game styles amd genres.

Bravo. That pair of socks is better than that spair of spoons.

>>388027609
>bringing botw into the mix for no reason at all

stay insecure kid

>>388027491
>assets
same engine obviously there will be similar assets

>ideas
would you mind expanding on this point

>>388027741
>>388027637
wowzers. >>388027692 was right on point.

everything

>>388020642
Not enough villages/meaningful NPCs, the world feels a bit empty. It's still a great game though.

>>388027721

>mask the fact that every gameplay encounter is the same
>the gameplay itself is restricted to one masked play style

Are you sure you're not talking about BotW.

>>388027708
>Yes, it does, you can't farm enemies because they don't respawn until set points in time.
Which is insanely easy to do. the game doesn't punish you enough for farming, it doesn't punish you at all even. I'd be okay with the idea if the game strictly forbade you from having more than one weapon type at any given time, to prevent weapon hoarding, but if anything the game encourages it. It's lazy.

>Name a single game that has a hard mode that does this
Right here. >>388027404

It's my game of the generation.

>>388027491
Cry some more you fucking child. I don't see anyone complaining that the Oracle games use the same sprite sets as Link's Awakening.

Like all fucking morons, you ignore simple obvious facts to reinforce your own spasticated bullshit.

>>388027927
No

>>388027609
>>388027770
>>388027979

Autistic fedora cucks are probably the most insecure fags in the zelda fanbase. They're the ugly nerdy kid who plays second fiddle to their big chad brother OoT.

>>388027964
How the fuck would a game punish farming? That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. If anything, your argument should be that games shouldn't make you farm, because that proves the game was unbalanced in some way, forcing the player to spend time doing something menial and repetitive just to keep up with the difficulty curve. But that doesn't apply to BotW's weapons, because as you've just COMPLAINED about, the game makes it EASY to get weapons. You are saying that you want the game to force you to farm, but also it shouldn't make farming simple, instead making it complicated or detrimental. You contradict yourself in an obvious attempt to nitpick at something that you know isn't actually an issue.

>terraria
>hard

okay

>>388020642
Absolutely nothing.

...well, a dog-petting action button would be nice.

Being able to climb EVERYWHERE was a mistake. It would have made exploration much more satisfying if you had to rely on runes or specialty gear to progress. For example, having to use Cryosis or the Zora armor to climb waterfalls instead of the cliffs beside them, forcing the player to utilize upward drafts from heat, etc.

Once you max out stamina and get the Rito blessing, there is virtually NO challenge in exploring apart from the "lol too hot to be here" areas.

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These BotW hate threads aren't as much fun as they used to be.

/v/ has been BTFO and humiliated so many times that most haters just avoid these threads now.

>>388028241
it's one autist samefagging hard. i agree that majora's mask is overrated as fuck in this board compared to OOT.

>>388027927
There's an incomplete rock circle on top of a house in that sea-side village with the greatest comfy-village music in history. I completed it by strapping balloons to rocks and pushing the rocks over the circle with arrows to finish it.

>>388028426
Why can't sonybros still come to terms with the success of BotW/Switch?

>>388020642
not enough proper dungeons.
also, it seems like the map was made exceedingly large just for the sake of having epona make sense. they could've just made it about a tenth of the size and forced you to walk everywhere on foot. would've felt just as massive, but more memorable. I can't think of any reason to make a game world this big, even if you cram it full of things to do. past a certain point it's just redundant.

>>388026572
>And does the game prevent you from just farming shiny new broadswords? No, it doesn't. You can go on about how "very few games discourage farming" but I don't really care. Following a common trend does not mean you're immune to the criticisms from it. It just means you fell into the same exact trap with no way to compensate.
Although your point against farming is valid, and I can see what you mean when you complain about the amount of weapons you gather, it leads to the more subjective criticism that the game "isn't hard enough". That hardly makes a game objectively bad.

>The overrated, poorly optimized, often broken-at-launch Souls series? I do believe that's a point in my favor.
And a beloved series at that. I'm saying that your taste in games must be extremely niche in this case, since you like neither hard games nor average or easier ones.

>I really don't care if it's a Zelda game. I just want it to be a good game. It's like saying Majora's Mask is bad because Zelda isn't that big a player in it. Sometimes you gotta ditch some conventions to make the game work better.
An admirable point. But after how much disfigurement of a long-running series' formula does it cease to actually resemble the games that came before it? You must remember that people still expect Zelda. If you don't like Zelda, then don't play Zelda. The changes they made were in a good direction, I'll give you that, but whatever you are trying to make this game into would be another game entirely.

>Essentially, garbage. I don't see any new AI revamps that change up how enemies fight you. I just see more things you can easily cirvumvent if you've already played the game. It's the equivalent of giving enemies more HP, you've just made the fight all the more tedious.
I suppose this is a valid argument, yes. What they did for the hard mode was bare minimum, but that's more a criticism against the DLC, not the core game.

>>388028241

Why do you keep pretending like you've played OoT or MM.

>>388020725
no, but open world with large empty grassy fields needs to stop though. does anyone find this compelling? it's the most bland thing you could possibly do with a game world.

>>388028628
Because they've spent the entirety of the WiiU generation with zero competition, and they literally got too full of themselves and now cannot even fathom something being even remotely as successful as their baby.

>>388022131
>If it's supporting cross dressing, it's tumblr pandering. If it's making a joke out of it, it's /pol/ pandering. neither are allowed in my video game)
>uses the word "degeneracy"
I saw this exact point months ago so I assume this is a copy-pasted response but it's still stupid

Why should you not be allowed to touch the concept at all and call it pandering to groups that japan doesn't even know about if you do? Zelda has had crossdressing/gay characters for a while now. There's the pirate in WW, the shopkeep in SS, the battleship game guy in WW, and probably many more examples

if you can't even have a funny gay or crossdressing character now because of "/pol/ pandering" then humor is dead

>>388028304
What I want is a revamp of the weapon system. Make me work for each weapon, make it so that I have to actually be careful with how I use them, and instantly kill my character the moment I don't have a weapon on me. I want to see some punishment from this game, not mind numbing repetition. If you're gonna have weapons break, at least remove all weapon drops from the overworld so I actually feel like I need to conserve my weapons. That's all I'm saying.

>>388028731
>does anyone find this compelling?
I do.
Learn to chill.
Plus calling BotW "empty" is like the textbook evidence for Sonybro detecting 101.

>>388028241
Actually, I'm not. I fucking HATE Marjora's Mask. I hate the on-screen timer.

But I'm intelligent enough to know that it's just ME that has the problem and not the game itself.

But to call Majora's Mask a 'lazy rehash' just shows how much of clueless fucking retard you are.

At the time when N64 was lagging behind the PlayStation, Nintendo could have shat out any old xeroxed copy of OoT and banked the cash. Instead they developed one of the most unique, memorable and polarising entries in the series. That's commendable risk to take.

Listening to you ignorant children talking complete shit about things you know nothing about is just embarrassing.

>>388028426

>valid discussion is hating

Most people consider the game good, its more that people who think the game is perfect shitpost and samefag, biting at literally everyone including people who like the franchise, each BotW thread until it's 500 posts/100 unique IPs. The zealotism has pretty much killed discussion of the game and restricted it to /lozg/, even this thread will die early most likely.

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>>388028868
>Plus calling BotW "empty" is like the textbook evidence for Sonybro detecting 101.
This.

>>388027648
>It proves that Zelda is too easy. Time and time again /v/ has argued that game journos hate good games because they're too hard. Remember the defense forces for Wonderful 101 and Donkey Kong Country Returns? I'm sorry, but you can't take that back. Not after 5+ years.
That is entirely subjective. If you don't like Zelda for what it is, then you aught to be playing something more suited to your taste. There is a reason people like these games, and as reasonable as it is to have a differing opinion, your gripes speak more to your taste and less to how well the game itself was put together.

>So why didn't game journos have a problem? Not even one complained about the difficulty. And they're pretty much a sign of a game's difficulty, in particular they're inversely proportional to how challenging a game is.
Is your judgement of a games quality solely around how many game journalists found it too difficult? That is the literal definition of pure contrarian trash.

>>388028663
>That hardly makes a game objectively bad.
On the contrary, if a game lacks difficulty, then there is nothing stopping me from just watching a let's play of it on youtube. My agency means nothing in the game if it doesn't require any more than basic button prompts. Think of it like playing Uncharted or TLOU. What difference does my input make if the game isn't trying?

>And a beloved series at that.
Beloved because of Bamco marketing.

>But after how much disfigurement of a long-running series' formula does it cease to actually resemble the games that came before it?
Why would that matter if the end product is good? Again I point you to games like Link's Awakening and Majora's Mask. These games should be hated for altering the formula too much (no ganon, no Zelda, etc) yet they offer alot of good things and bring plenty to the table.

>>388028998

So release No Man Sky has the most content of every game in the world and isn't empty?

>>388026572
>overrated

Learn to think for yourself dweeb

>>388028998
>it's okay when nintendo does it

fuck off. both of you.

>>388027927
Conversations I've had with people on their methods to complete missions or encounters in BotW vs HZD or TW3:

BotW:

>Me: I flew the boat moored in the bay beside the goblin camp over them and dropped bombs from it like a war blimp
>friend: I built a small fort out of metal boxes and shot arrows from a vantage point
>3 year old: I killed them all with a sword and died a few times
>grandpa: I rolled that fucking rock down the hill after getting them to aggro me and killed all those monkey fucks

TW3:

>Me: I blew up that barrel with igni but it didn't damage any of the guys standing around it for some reason so I had to just dodge spam through them and hit them with the sword a lot
>friend: I killed them with the sword. didn't dodge once since half idled in jeering animation the whole time and they do no damage
>other friend: I did the same thing as friend one

HZD:

>Me: I shot them with arrows
>Friend: Me too
>Other Friend: Me too

>>388028773
>Why should you not be allowed to touch the concept at all and call it pandering to groups that japan doesn't even know about if you do?
It should at least be important to the game and have enough justification. Link has no reason to crossdress because even encountering the gerudo is entirely optional. So it feels shoehorned in. Whereas Tetra being Zelda is a major story twist. It holds more importance. Plus it came across as far less creepy and fetishistic.

>>388028790
>If you're gonna have weapons break, at least remove all weapon drops from the overworld so I actually feel like I need to conserve my weapons.

Then how the fuck would you get weapons? What happens when you run out of weapons, you'd be fucked over for the rest of the entire game.

For the record, I'm not even a fan of the weapon system they put in, I think the game would have been much better with (and I hate to say this) a more dark souls-esque weapon system, where you can only get one of every weapon type in the game, and possibly upgrade them into better versions (game already has weapon branches, like boko club into spiked boko club into dragonbone, etc.), the game instead padded the overworld with weapon drops and added durability to make sure you'd always be needing to get more, artificially boosting the content in the overworld as opposed to putting more interesting rewards inside of camps/shrines.

But your argument about farming is still just completely off, because the game was literally designed around how you get these weapons, removing the need to farm, since you just get them from any enemies you fight. If you're going to criticize, that's fine, but you need actual arguments to do it.

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>>388028998
desu after playing it for about 180 hours I can see why people would call it "empty".

You can play it for a long time but it starts to leave a bitter resentment in you and I don't think I'm going to go back and play it again, because I already expect everything and there's no suspense about finally getting to "that part" which you might have in a linear zelda

I would rather go back and play OoT, MM, WW and even TP and SS. even though I enjoyed the game plenty I've now sucked all the fun out of it and don't want to touch it again

>>388028676
>h-he hates mm so he must have not played it!

every single time

>>388028883
Nice false flagging you autistic fedora cuck. Your garbage rehash will always be shit.

>>388028998
this is disgusting. I miss when the series was full of meaningful things to do. nintendo doesn't know how to design a proper open world.

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>>388029107
>>388029162
Imagine being THIS mad.

>>388029191
Breath of the wild sucks, deal with it.

>>388029257
>muh meaningful non-argument

Kill yourself.

>>388029284
>it's the same purple prose description of relatively straightforward quests/activities written by that guy who can't spell

>>388029007
>your gripes speak more to your taste and less to how well the game itself was put together.
I still have many objective gripes, like how the game has a very poor framerate, and before the patches had an unforgivable, laggy, unstable, piss poor framerate. The reason I hate the day 1 patches is because the Switch already has very little storage room. I don't need additional clutter, and I don't quite feel like paying out for a larger storage. Sure I can get it cheap for like 20 bucks, but little costs here and there add up, and it makes it harder to justify the overall cost.

>Is your judgement of a games quality solely around how many game journalists found it too difficult?
In many occasions yes. I'm sorry if that makes me contrarian, but I'd rather not trust the people who liked about Wonderful 101, for example, and how they said the game had no ending, but didn't disclose that they only played it on easy. I'm sure someone has a screencap of that.

Would you trust that?

>>388025751
>s-sony has shit animation see
I'm an idort but you are pathetic

>>388029216
>It should at least be important to the game and have enough justification.
It is literally required to entire the Gerudo town, which is home to several side quests and one main quest that, while not required to beat the game, is required to get the true ending of the game. This is you circling back to your "you can beat Ganon from the start, so the world is meaningless" argument, which has already been proven to be stupid.

And it makes perfect sense that Link would need to be a girl to get into the all women city, which is perfectly explained in Zelda lore and is in no way new to the series as a result of political climate. You are projecting your own political views onto the matter and then complaining about it.

>Plus it came across as far less creepy and fetishistic.
confirmed tumblrfag sjw. You're on the wrong website.

>>388029249
This.

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>>388029316

Can anyone here name a single other game with a chemistry engine so fine-tuned that you can light grass on fire, have that fire kill a wolf, which drops meat, take the meat, proceed to take out wood and drop it on the fire, have it catch alight with a campfire, then let that fire persist and warm up your temperature, then put a piece of meat next to it and have it dynamically change state into a cooked piece of meat that you can eat to recover even more health than it would have normally?

Nice job though, trying to hand wave that and make the game look shit because muh koroks. BotW has a living, breathing world. Its map size is only part of it, more important are the environmental, climate-influenced and chemical interactions that make it come alive. Who the fuck cares if your generic levelling RPG number 502251 has a bigger or more "dense" map (whatever that means)? I doubt you can name a single more in-depth game released in the last 5 years, let alone this year.

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>>388021196
My man. It's a great game. It's not that fun to go back to now, but I spent over 150 hours playing it, and I was in a loop of discovery that entire time. I played it twice as well. It lacks online and leveling which is what makes games like Dark Souls so endlessly replayable, but it represents a bright future for the franchise many though would potentially slag off the way of Metroid after Skyward Sword. (Even though I really really liked that game)

>>388029191

Dude please. Horizon Zero Dawn isn't just arrows. Witcher 3 you also have bombs/signs/skilltrees/oils/runes/gylphs/crossbow/Oil+fire interactions, things that are actively used and not just fringe situations of anecdotes of how you took out a bokoblin camp in the most roundabout way possible.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdisO_uOb38

>>388029472
You are the only one bringing up journos here, I don't have to trust them. You can like the same things they liked, even if you don't trust them. Just saying "they like it so it must be shit" means you are a contrarian who literally judges things without even looking at them, only looking at what others say about it. I'm sure journos love ice cream, does that mean it's shit too?

>half a year later and BoTW is still triggering faggots

based aonuma working /v/ into a shoot

The only major issues I had was:

>Items break way too easily, and not being able to recharge them outside the champion weapons was kind of shit.
>Dungeons were the worst of the 3D Zeldas. Shrines did make up for it for the most part.
>I wish the shrines that were a test of strength had better enemy variety instead of one guardian of varying strength and weapons. I also wish there was less of them.
>The way the story was done could have been a bit better. I get the whole exploration element, but I would have been fine with a more linear story with the option to branch off.
>Quest rewards were shit all around. Rupees became useless after a certain point, and a lot of the rewards were not worth it for the time you put in.

Despite all of that, I had a lot of fun with BoTW and is my favorite game of 2017 so far. My only complaints that I feel were major issues was the item's breaking and the dungeons.

>>388029249
I agree. The first 150 hours were amazing but then it started to get boring.

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>>388029958
>is my favorite game of 2017 so far.
Wrong.

>>388029752
Journos hate ice cream because it's made with milk and milk is a white supremacist symbol because it excludes alternately lactose enabled bodies of color

>>388029745
Describe one encounter of worth in The Witcher 3.

I'll give it to you that Horizon is much better than I wrote out, as the dinosaur fights have some degree of freedom in them.

>>388029249
BotW is one large experience but it wasn't really made for replayability. I agree, I'm hesitating to bother with a hard mode run, meanwhile I've played through OoT on various systems over a dozen times. But the length of one 100% BotW run is still probably at least as much time spent enjoying the game as all my OoT runs combined.

>>388029465
>all tha-that content doesn't count!

>>388029035
>On the contrary, if a game lacks difficulty, then there is nothing stopping me from just watching a let's play of it on youtube. My agency means nothing in the game if it doesn't require any more than basic button prompts. Think of it like playing Uncharted or TLOU. What difference does my input make if the game isn't trying?
Not every game has to be gut-wrenching in difficulty to please it's audience. You could use this argument against any popular game series that isn't "hard enough", and they would all give you the same answer. You don't play those games for a frighteningly difficult experience, you play them for what they offer, whether it's story, or player freedom, or what-have-you. If you want a hard game, play one that's tailored to that type of experience, but telling me a game is OBJECTIVELY bad because it doesn't suit your tastes is not gonna be enough to convince me that the game is actually bad.

>Beloved because of Bamco marketing.
Beloved because people enjoyed the experience the games offer.

>Why would that matter if the end product is good? Again I point you to games like Link's Awakening and Majora's Mask. These games should be hated for altering the formula too much (no ganon, no Zelda, etc) yet they offer alot of good things and bring plenty to the table.
Because the people who actually enjoy the games for what they are (like myself) would not see it as a Zelda game. If I'm buying a Zelda game, I want a ZELDA game, not some other game wearing its skin.

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>>388030014
Not him but, are you retarded? do you have autism? or both?

>>388029249
>>388029983
I agree after 300 hours i was starting to get bored honestly.

>>388029241
>Then how the fuck would you get weapons?
Make them prizes at the end of difficult dungeons. Alternately, give me more options to repair them. I believe this exists in some form in BOTW, it's been a while since so my memory is hazy, but it could be expanded on. Give the weapons more durability so they don't instantly shatter. It'll make every dungeon feel like a breakneck race against the clock before your weapons lose their strength. It would teach the player conservation and how to best use their limited resources.

I think Dark Cloud of all games pulled this off nicely. When your weapon breaks, you either lose it forever, or it just becomes a 1 damage piece of crap, until repaired. I think that system worked great. Nintendo could've used it.

>>388030026
I hate that this is closer to fact than it is to parody.

>>388020642
It got praise and /v/ started losing its mind, that's what happened.

>>388030014
What? He said favorite, not best.

>>388030227
Both I see. Too bad people like you have to be part of HK fanbase, such an amazing game doesnt deserve this kind of fans.

>>388029487
>while not required to beat the game,
This is my point. Having something so blatantly controversial be a sidequest is pretty stupid.

>And it makes perfect sense that Link would need to be a girl to get into the all women city
They did not need stupid fetishistic outfits for it. It served only to take away from the game and add trashy fanservice for the tumblr audience. It's a problem I've had with the gerudo in general since OOT.

>confirmed tumblrfag sjw
As if an SJW would care about the gameplay quality.

>>388030041

What are you talking about?

>bombs/signs/skilltrees/oils/runes/gylphs/crossbow/Oil+fire/potions

There are shittons of ways of dealing with enemies, of which there are many. Combat is as varied as you want to make of it.

http://thewitcher3.wiki.fextralife.com/Creatures+and+Monsters

>>388029983
>>388030170
How is this a flaw? Unless you're an ADD fag every game should get boring after a while.

>>388029752
>You can like the same things they liked, even if you don't trust them.
true, but you cannot claim that the game has challenge when the idiots incapable of beating even a kirby game have no problem with it. It's basic logic. They've shown to despise challenging games in the past. They even make articles about how "hard mode is problematic because it's ableist" or some nonsense. It works as a point against the game's content and design.

>>388030381
>sidequest
It's a main quest. You literally didn't read my statement. It is required to enter the city that is home to the quest line that leads to one of the game's main dungeons.

>>388022131
haha salty sonybro

>>388030529
If a game isn't entertaining for at least 1500 hours then it's not worth the $60 price tag.

>>388030238
Pretty much this.

/v/ spent nearly an entire year shitposting cherry picked screenshots and spreading lies - doing everything they could to make the game seem bad.

When they BTFO by Nintendo, it was one of the funniest things I've ever seen. The humiliation will last for the ages and even now, 6 (SIX) months later, they're desperately trying to convince themselves it's all a big conspiracy.

My fucking sides.

>>388030071
But which one is really better? Linear Zelda games don't leave you with bitterness and you still fondly remember playing them and the parts you liked.

In BotW everything blends together. You might remember that time you did that creative thing but you probably did it 50 times over with slight variations.

It seems like zelda games are going to be open world from now on so I hope nintendo takes their experience and groundwork from BotW and makes something with more memorable content this time. We still need dungeons

>>388030529
You're getting meme'd.

>>388025751
Currently playing through Horizon for the first time, did not expect it to be as good as it is. Though the water animations are definitely shit and were probably an after thought

is BoTW really that empty? its like the only reason id get a switch seeing as how monster hunter is returning to other platforms. We talking MGS V empty?

>>388030159
>You could use this argument against any popular game series that isn't "hard enough", and they would all give you the same answer.
And what a surprise, the industry is in the gutter. Do you guys even wonder why people are heralding Nintendo as the "savior of the industry"? Did you ever consider that it was because we're all really screwed over daily by corporates who think games need to be watered down?

>You don't play those games for a frighteningly difficult experience, you play them for what they offer, whether it's story, or player freedom, or what-have-you
All games should have challenge, though. If you don't want it to be mandatory, that's fine. that's what difficulty modes are more. But Zelda gets points off for not only paywalling its only difficulty mode behind a season pass, but also gets points off because that difficulty mode is not even that challenging. I have every right to complain that I have to pay 100+ dollars for the complete experience.

>Beloved because people enjoyed the experience the games offer.
Because they're naive. Let's not dance around the bush.

>Because the people who actually enjoy the games for what they are (like myself) would not see it as a Zelda game.
So you would hate Majora's Mask and Link's Awakening at launch because "not muh zelda". And ironically enough you don't see the issue with people disliking BOTW because it's too much of a departure from what they're used to, and aren't fans of open world games?

>>388030767
>Linear Zelda games don't leave you with bitterness and you still fondly remember playing them and the parts you liked.

Garbage games like TP and SS can fuck off forever honestly.

>>388030041
>Describe one encounter of worth in The Witcher 3
All of them. The game actually needs the player to learn to be a Witcher and manage your oils and stuff, if you want to start a game on Deathmarch you need to sit your ass and read your lore journal until you have memorized it or at least remember it vaguely. The one and only complaint I will forever have on W3 is that they dont give you much prep time, if you gonna be medieval Batman, you NEED to have your prep time.

>>388030529
C'mon dude, seriously.

>>388030381
>Having something so blatantly controversial be a sidequest is pretty stupid.
How is it controversial?

I'm not going to read this thread, but I would bet money on like 99% of these posts being overzealous nintendo fanboys absolutely refusing to acknowledge that BotW has flaws at all, and dipshit console warriors pretending like it's the worst game ever made.

Now give me my money.

>>388030381
Who but an SJW tumblrfag would complain about crossdressing in a game because it "comes across as creepy and fetishistic".

I can just picture a journo now writing about it now
>gratuitous, offering nothing for our understanding of Link or his world. It's a grating, gnawing feeling at the back of my mind that says 'maybe this isn't okay? Maybe they shouldn't be using trans concepts and issues as a cheap prop?'

>>388031145

Replace nintendo with BotW because they attack everything that's put into comparison with their lord and savior and I'll give you 5 bucks.

>>388027034
Vanquish.

>>388031145
99% of it is some one saying the game is sjw

>>388030554
They liked crash, and they like Dark souls, both series are considered "hard" to some degree. You've already spoken out against DS so I won't bother making arguments here, but do you think Crash is autistically easy and therefore a bad game?

Also, part of BotW's design is that the game's difficulty comes about through player decisions. If you never upgrade your armor, a lynel can kill a max health Link in 3 hits. With fully upgraded armor it takes 30 hits, not to mention the ability to pause your game and eat health items mid ragdoll. The game is accessible to plebians who suck at games, but the things that make the game easy enough for them are entirely optional, and can be ignored entirely for a more challenging experience.

>>388030767
I'm not sure if you can really compare the two so rigidly, I love both styles, honestly.

It all comes down to developer story vs player story. Developer story is when the devs of the game craft a scene and have players experience it one, perfectly crafted way. Cutscenes are a prime example, but any game with linear areas (even shrines in BotW) have this in them.

Player story is when you tell your friend about how you were minding your own business when you were struck from behind by a frying pan in PUBG. It is the individual experience that each player has in a game that is utterly unique to them. OoT and other older Zelda games were more oriented on Developer story, where the player enters a room, is presented a challenge that the devs perfectly crafted to be viewed and solved in one or two ways, and then moving on to the next. There is nothing wrong with this.

BotW instead focuses on player story, by introducing tools that allow you interact with literally everything in dozens of ways, and then throwing you into an open world with a bunch of shit thrown everywhere for you to use those tools on. They don't want all players to have that same "memorable moment" , they want them to make their own. This is also fine.

>>388029191
>le over simpilization meme

want to know how i know you're biased

>>388029580
Notice how I got no replies. Nobody can name a single one.

Keep pretending you can criticize a game you didn't play though.

>>388030920
>Because they're naive.
>People aren't allowed to have fun any way other than the ways I have fun, or they're retarded.

>>388031145
as a 2d zelda zealot i resent everything about botw and the praise it gets

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>>388031145
Just a reminder that nintendo fanboys are wasting time with a legit autistic

As someone who doesn't really enjoy open world games I thought the open world was well done. I had a blast exploring and climbing. I just hope they learn to balance that with better story progression in future games of the style

My biggest issues were did stem from it being open world however. All of the dungeons felt short, unimportant and lacking any meaningful progression checks becuase they could be tackled in any order. Same with the shrines.

Also the voice acting was fairly rough. Only Revali seemed to be any good IMO. With Zelda being the worst. I had a feeling her voice actress wasn't even British, but an American faking a British accent and sure enough she's from fucking Michigan

>>388031418

Can you use a grappling hook in botw? Hook onto a jet, parachute and gun down a truck while throwing c4 before hooking again onto an enemy helicopter, throwing the guy out and firing missiles at an incoming convoy?

You're being a faggot if you think that "name a game that does what another game does really specifically." You can literally do that with every game.

>>388031691
Wait you can put Jets on auto pilot in Just cause 3?

>>388031691
>just cause fag calling botw empty
Lol.

>>388030456
Describe one ENCOUNTER of worth in The Witcher 3.

In my experience, every encounter plays out similarly since the game locks you into combat animations more limited than its Assassin's Creed and Batman inspirations once each encounter starts. There is no physical freedom and no enemy variety on a mechanical level. The monsters each have a gimmick that you can easily deal with to facilitate unloading a ton of animation damage on them, and the humans have 4 enemy types that you can deal with just as easily, moreso if you're using signs and bombs, which either facilitate your ability to whack them with a sword repeatedly or slowly kill them outright while you dodge around the battlefield.

The crossbow is a supplemental tool, not an outlet for gameplay expression, in the same way that fire, oils, and glyphs are. You're saying that the ability to do more damage or buff a certain trait adds to mechanical variety, when all it does is narrow the focus of your actions.

Bombs are similar to these support items, but do enough damage and crowd control to deal with a number of enemies.

Signs are the only viable competitor to swordplay in terms of a separate gameplay option that provides a fresh, independent experience, but as a total gameplay focus are unappealing due to your DPS as as a swordsman being 500% higher if focused on.

My point is, there are options but you're trapped in a small box to explore these options. There are also a very small amount of options that orbit a central option - swordplay - on a design level. Add in that the combat teeters on being broken due to glitches and hit box registration, and you have a subpar combat experience.

>>388020642
They couldn't find a way to reach 11/10.

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>>388031641
Sadly, that's not an argument.

>>388031641
>an RPG is not a game
What?

>>388031641
>someone made a collage of people who disagreed with them about various nintendo-related topics and then got it in their head that it's all the work of one person.
You wanna talk about autism?

>>388031881

Name one in BotW. Use the same autism that you showed in this post.

>>388030612
>It is required to enter the city that is home to the quest line that leads to one of the game's main dungeons.
It's not required to beat the final boss, so I can't count as it anything other than a sidequest.

>>388031121
Blatant fetishistic cross-dressing is controversial in this climate. Serving no purpose in beating ganon just makes it even more insulting.

>>388031310
Months later and I don't remember any of my player stories. It's all a blur.

I just remember the thin plot.

>>388032005
>Name one in BotW.
Ganon because you beat the game

>>388031936
breath of the wild just doesn't belong here.
>less than 2 hours in a game that lasts 150
>significant
>when most of the cutscenes are entirely optional

>>388031849

>missing the point

Is there any game that lets me fly around as superman? Fly through rings like an angel, punch bad guys and then finish it off with blowing tornados? Is there any game that comes close to that level of freedom?

>>388031939
Refer to >>388031936, any game that relies on cinematics and stripping control away from the player is not a game.

>>388032087

Are you serious, m8. Ganon? Half health from the start Ganon, or target practice ganon.

>>388032206
I see you don't know what an RPG is

If you dislike all RPGs, you simply don't have a leg to stand on. You're a laughingstock who should be making Braid and complaining that botw is patronizing you

>>388020642
>empty/repetitive open world nonsense, emphasizing copypasted over original, quality content
>weapon durability is shit
>weapon variety is shit and movesets are far too small
>enemy variety is shit, and outside lynels mobs are a joke
>armor and food utterly break combat
>dungeons essentially have no enemies and are just one open room, which feels wildly inappropriate for what should be intricate interior environments
>lazy Hard mode despite having to pay for it
>having to do dumb quests and minigames to enter a dungeon, instead of being able to enter by regular exploration
>last boss essentially isn't a fight
>combat shrines are either identical or straight upgrades to one another
>Champ powers are cooldown over meter based
>rain is awful, and the workarounds (waiting it out, going elsewhere) aren't so much workarounds as avoiding it altogether

>>388031196
>Who but an SJW tumblrfag would complain about crossdressing in a game because it "comes across as creepy and fetishistic".
When it taints all discussion of the game because people just want to see Link get screwed in the rear by fat hairy men and futa gerudo doms, it indeed comes across as a legitimate problem. A fanbase is supposed to be supportive and not degenerate, but we've gone so far down in this industry that such an idea is laughable in the modern age.

>>388031310
>but do you think Crash is autistically easy and therefore a bad game?
Crash has its own massive bouquet of problems, so to imply that it's a masterpiece (not that I'm saying you are, but as an example) is just foolish.

>The game is accessible to plebians who suck at games, but the things that make the game easy enough for them are entirely optional, and can be ignored entirely for a more challenging experience.
My problem is that it gives too much leeway to the filthy casuals while asking me to jump through hoops and avoid pretty much the entire game just so I can feel a challenge. To me, Breath of the Wild is a 2 hour long game at best, because to go any farther into it would completely trivialize my experience by making it too easy. Do you see the issue here? Why would I want to explore and fight enemies and collect items if every one will just make the bosses a cakewalk? And why would I consider the game good if I can only garner a few hours of gameplay out of it before it bores me?

>>388032153
They shouldn't be there at all, optional or not and there are mandatory cutscenes like the one at the beginning where you speak with the king.

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>>388032026
>Blatant fetishistic cross-dressing is controversial in this climate.
So because of some western bullshit is happening Japan can't do something they've been doing for years and the also must change the Gerudo to fit American needs?
>Serving no purpose in beating ganon just makes it even more insulting.
99% of the shit you do serves no purpose but it makes Ganons boss fight much easier, gives you a way to avoid lighting, ipens up the secret shop that lets you get more clothing, opens up a boss, gives you a heart container, gives a very powerful ability, and lets you do one of the best dungeons. While it isn't necessary to beat Gannon it is necessary to get the true ending in see everything above.

>>388032026
>It's not required to beat the final boss, so I can't count as it anything other than a sidequest.
Then you're still a retard who can't grasp the concept of this game. Just because you can beat Ganon from the start doesn't mean the game expects you to or is designed around it. The same time you get the quest to Kill Ganon, you get the quest to go to Kakariko, and from there you get the quest to go to Gerudo city. It is a main quest, the game literally calls it a main quest, and several story plot points are associated with it, as well as a new key item in your inventory that unlocks a new ability and has an affect on the final battle and epilogue of the game. You are the only one dumb enough to call it a side quest.

>Blatant fetishistic cross-dressing is controversial in this climate.
Again with the "blatant fetishistic" bs, it's a funny joke that Nintendo has been making for decades, longer than you've been alive. It has nothing to do with America's political climate, because it was written by a jap in Japan where there is no controversy over this. Like I said before, you are projecting your own politics into this shit. You are no better than the Polygon review of that VR gun game.

>>388032159
You're a fucking idiot. Seriously.

>>388032153
>game lasts 150 hours
>but taking out 2 hours of story would ruin it forever

:pondering:

>>388032256
A bit of both

>>388032384
>the game is ruined because someone wants to fuck the main character
I'm sorry but people are going to do that whether he crossdresses or not

This thread is fulled with discussion of botw not pertaining to crossdressing, because only you brought it up. You politicized it, nobody else

You are functionality identical to a SJW who demands proper respect for stupid shit that only they care about. Nintendo doesn't need a justification to put a funny crossdressing thing where you can't get into the female-only town another way. It's basically just a more creative way of doing the majora's mask gerudo again

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>>388020642
if we're being serious, nintendo bit off more than they could chew.

they saw the popularity of open world games in the west and thought they could do the same in-house with zelda.
they spent all that time making a decent map and physics but forgot to make content for the player.
dungeons, enemies and items suffered hard. the whole survival element seemed poorly thought out too.

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>>388020642

LOL But seriously, what the fuck was this?

>>388032563
>So because of some western bullshit is happening Japan can't do something they've been doing for years and the also must change the Gerudo to fit American needs?
More like "they shouldn't include it period unless they can implement in a way that isn't creepy". That means lose the midriff, and get the degenerates out of the fanbase who masturbate to it. Personally, I would make it a requirement to beating the game, so it seems like something you have to bear. I know it sounds weird, but work with me here. When you have no other options, a last resort comes across as less painful. If Link absolutley had to do it and he was disgusted by it every moment, it would be far more tolerable. Oh, it would also help if Link wasn't a retarded sissy child and the gerudo weren't unlikable bitches. That would help.

>99% of the shit you do serves no purpose but it makes Ganons boss fight much easier
He's supposed to be the reincarnation of the most ancient evil in the zelda universe. Nothing should allow you to kill him unless you get 100%. This whole "oh you can kill him with basic weapons" garbage just reeks of laziness.

>>388032384
>Crash has its own massive bouquet of problems, so to imply that it's a masterpiece (not that I'm saying you are, but as an example) is just foolish.
Not talking about the quality of the game, talking about the difficulty. Is Crash "easy"? No, it is not. But reviewers like it, so by your logic it must be easy. Your logic is flawed.

>jump through hoops and avoid pretty much the entire game just so I can feel a challenge.
To make the game challenging, all you need to do is not upgrade armor and not eat health restoring food mid combat. Those two things right there are all it takes. Getting all 30 hearts will barely make the tougher enemies less of a challenge, so you can still get those. No weapons in the game make the most difficult enemies simple to fight. Silver Lynels and all boss enemies still take several hits and put you directly in the way of attacks that can easily kill you in 2-3 hits. Armor upgrades and mid combat eating are where 100% of the casualness come from, and are the easiest things to avoid. You in fact must go out of your way to actually do those, so your experience would actually be MORE streamlined, not less.

>>388032005
My problem with stooping to your strawman is that it would take me a lot longer. Breath of the Wild's gameplay is inseparable from the way its physics work, a rule that any good 3D non-movie game should follow.

The desert island shrine alone as a concept is miles beyond anything in The Witcher.

>>388032391
>all or nothing absolutist faggot
>>388032638
It wouldn't ruin it. It would have a negative impact though

If you think cutscenes shouldn't exist in games at all regardless of their length then you're a hipster faggot who should be talking about how his indie game is saving gaming while everything else is killing it

You just want game developers to throw out money. Most people do not mind cutscenes when they're the correct dosage. And that doesn't have to be 0

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>>388028732
This makes sense.

>>388020642
Link is right-handed for no reason and you can't rename him.

>>388032941
>More like "they shouldn't include it period unless they can implement in a way that isn't creepy". That means lose the midriff, and get the degenerates out of the fanbase who masturbate to it.
The fanbase will masterbate to Link with or without the fucking Gerudo outfit, saying it's sjw and not needed simply because people find link sexy is stupid I'm sorry.

>>388032564
>Just because you can beat Ganon from the start doesn't mean the game expects you to or is designed around it.
As long as I can beat him so early, it speaks poorly of the game. I have expectations from a final boss, and NOT being a cakewalk is one of them.

>It is a main quest, the game literally calls it a main quest
The game can call it alot of things, but it's a sidequest so long as I can skip it and fight ganon.

>it's a funny joke that Nintendo has been making for decades
What was funny about it? "Let's waste my time on something that's not improving my gameplay experience"? Funfact, FF7 did this too, and even though it was required to beat the game, I stilll hated it because it obviously came across as some pervert's wet dream. The bigger issue was that it ruined gameplay pacing though, by forcing me to do a bunch of crappy minigames. So it was pretty worse.

>>388032995

>My problem with stooping to your strawman is that it would take me a lot longer.

That's my line if you're the one who started off this off with this idiotic post. >>388029191

>>388032827
>they saw the popularity of open world games in the west and thought they could do the same in-house with zelda.
But they did do the same as every western open world game though. Every single one feels empty and has a lack of actual content

>>388032774
>Nintendo doesn't need a justification to put a funny crossdressing thing
Everything in their video game needs a justification. If the gerudo outfit vastly changed gameplay for the better, I could see the use. I wouldn't like it, but I could understand it. But it doesn't.

>>388020642
It's basically Far Cry 4 with some features removed and some added.
If you like Far Cry, you'll probably like BotW.

>>388020642

spawned faggot threads like yours nonstop

>>388033323
the justification is "it's funny"
why should nintendo care if degenerates want to fuck an underage boy?

>>388033310
imagine if the only thing you found in oblivion and fallout 3 was korok seeds and copy pasted stables.
this is the opposite of content

>>388033197
>As long as I can beat him so early, it speaks poorly of the game.
You can't beat him early. When I say you, I mean You, the person I'm talking to. Other people can, because they have autistically planned out their route to know exactly how many weapons they need and exactly how many of what type of hit to land on bosses to do the right amount of damage to get through. But you can't, you're just bitching about the fact that the game allows you to attempt it. Because you are a child.

And your childish reaction to a cross dressing joke is just further proof of that. Even if you don't find the joke funny (I don't really think it was that funny, it's just there), your autistic hatred of it shows how immature you truly are.

>>388032987
>Is Crash "easy"? No, it is not.
Stopped reading that paragraph right there.

>To make the game challenging, all you need to do is not upgrade armor and not eat health restoring food mid combat.
And you have to avoid stronger weapons, you have to avoid getting any hearts, you can't fight a single boss, you can't collect any items, you have to rush right to ganon. Fighting even one blight will completely casualize him and strip his health. And at that point why should I jump through that many hoops? I'm no longer having fun.

>>388032941
>Personally, I would make it a requirement to beating the game, so it seems like something you have to bear.
This is fucking hilarious.

Are you diagnosed with autism or something? I mean seriously. You're completely latched onto this concept of "beating" the game where everything is turned on its head just because you can go right to the final boss.

It's functionally required for beating the game. If you didn't do all the divine beasts then you didn't really complete it. Only an autist would get obsessed with the technicality.

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>>388020642
Yahaha, you found me!

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Can we at least admit it's not worth going back to after you've seen everything?

>>388033323
It allows you to surive in the desert and it lets you access an entire town. How is that not vastly changed gameply?

>>388033050
>If you think cutscenes shouldn't exist in games at all regardless of their length then you're a hipster faggot who should be talking about how his indie game is saving gaming while everything else is killing it
Maybe I'm sick of games having inflated budgets because we needed to "make the characters deeper" or some nonsense.

>Most people do not mind cutscenes when they're the correct dosage
The correct dosage is 0 when your game is poorly optimized and feels obviously rushed. Where's the priorities?

>>388033323
It doesn't need a justification that meets your SJW standards by having a deep impact on Link's character or making us understand his world or become enlightened about trans issues or something.

Why can you boil eggs? You just can. It's cool. Why does the Bolson dance exist? It's just funny.

Fuck your justification.

>>388033182
What purpose does it serve in the game then? Nothing. The sidequest you require it for isn't even that good, and is just a slog that slows down the rest of the game.

Nothing went wrong and I can prove that with this 8

>>388033323
>the gerudo outfit vastly changed gameplay for the better, I could see the use.
It literally prevents you from getting overheated.

>>388033547
>And you have to avoid stronger weapons, you have to avoid getting any hearts, you can't fight a single boss, you can't collect any items, you have to rush right to ganon.

Clearly you didn't read any of the rest of that statement, since I literally address all of these. More hearts won't help hardly at all if you have shit armor. Stronger weapons, especially against Ganon, hardly mean shit, because he takes a shitload of damage to kill unless you use either the Master Sword or ancient arrows. The bosses can all be beaten and even when Ganon is stripped of half of his health he's still a challenge if you have no armor. Literally all of his attacks will kill you in 1 or 2 hits, even from 30 hearts. There are no items in game that have any meaningful impact on this fight beyond weapons which you've already listed, so you're just falsely padding your list of things to avoid at this point, because you know you're wrong.

>>388033768
>What purpose does it serve in the game then?
To get inside Geurdo Town to complete the story

>>388033768
As a gateway to the town's content.

The same purpose a key to a castle exists. Or having to find the 3 magic circles and activate them in order to open the portal to the void of infinite darkness.

By this logic everything has no purpose unless it is the killing blow on the boss. Why the fuck do I have to get a weapon? Why can't I just be given a button that I press to kill him? Why do I have to learn his backstory? It doesn't matter, just tell me he's evil and my enemy and I'll kill him. Why do I have to cross this land to get to him? It just bogs down the game. It would be far more convenient if you just started me off in his room.

Your position is fucking stupid. How many months have you been complaining about the game by the way? Because this tumblr/pol dichotomy is clearly you every time.

>>388028868
>Plus calling BotW "empty" is like the textbook evidence for Sonybro detecting 101.
Came here to say basically the same thing. Looks like this is just another "/v/ dislikes good games" thread. Move along everybody.

>>388033265
Your line about the Witcher 3 was refuted and then left undefended.

All you're doing is being lazy and keeping the argument looped to what's already been said instead of adding anything to your list of base-level usable items and mechanics present in The Witcher 3, most of which are present in BotW in one form or another.

>>388033876
But he doesn't kill ypu in one to two hits what are you talking about? !aybe if you fight him naked.

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>>388031641
is that guy autistic?

>>388034112
If you wear a full set of non upgraded gear, Calamity Ganon still does tons of damage to you per hit. If you upgrade the armor numerous times then yeah he's not going to hurt you too much.

>>388033475
>the justification is "it's funny"
So go write a book of jokes. I'm playing a video game, I want interactive entertainment, not cinematic slapstick.

>>388033503
>You can't beat him early. When I say you, I mean You, the person I'm talking to. Other people can
Funny, because the bottom of the barrel reviewer trash from various websites had no trouble at all playing the game both as intended and broken sequenced. Again that's the price you pay for fame.

>Even if you don't find the joke funny (I don't really think it was that funny, it's just there), your autistic hatred of it shows how immature you truly are.
I have a severe distaste for games that try and use gimmicks to hide bad gameplay.

>>388031691
>moving goal posts that far

Autism

>>388034227
Don't bother, he's the most autistic poster to ever visit /v/, even worse than Barneyfag or that guy that posts the "Blunder of the century" image every day. He is the single most autistic human to ever grace this board with his presence.

>>388033551
>It's functionally required for beating the game. If you didn't do all the divine beasts then you didn't really complete it.
Then the game should prevent me from facing Ganon until I've "functionally done it".

>>388033618
A town that's completely unnecessary. Same with the desert. Is Ganon in the desert?

>>388033736
>It doesn't need a justification
Then it doesn't belong in the game. It's worthless filler designed to pad out the world.

>>388033857
>It literally prevents you from getting overheated.
Oh wow, something you can sidestep super easily. Definitely right up there with the light arrows that don't have an arc and are essentially infinite, right?

>>388034520
>Then it doesn't belong in the game. It's worthless filler designed to pad out the world.
Its litteraly used to get into a village that you need to enter if you want to beat the story.

>>388034282
>I have a severe distaste for games that try and use gimmicks to hide bad gameplay.
What gimmick and what bad gameplay? We're talking about a joke that is part of a quest that leads to a town with tons of gameplay in it.

>>388034406
You seriously need to just stop, you are convincing absolutely nobody of your delusional view of games. You are the only autist, not only on this board but in the entire world, that thinks things as dumb as you.

>>388032941
>This whole "oh you can kill him with basic weapons" garbage just reeks of laziness

you cleraly dont understand the gamedesign behind it

>>388033876
>More hearts won't help hardly at all if you have shit armor.
You can still tank at least an extra hit or two.

>Stronger weapons, especially against Ganon, hardly mean shit, because he takes a shitload of damage to kill unless you use either the Master Sword or ancient arrows.
Shitload of damage to kill? Pfft, what are you smoking? The guy goes down in a minute even if you didn't bother getting the highest tiers of weapons.

>The bosses can all be beaten and even when Ganon is stripped of half of his health he's still a challenge if you have no armor
So we didn't even play the same game?

>Literally all of his attacks will kill you in 1 or 2 hits, even from 30 hearts
Ah yes, the slow moving, super choreographed attacks that you would have to be very slow to even come within range of.

>so you're just falsely padding your list of things to avoid at this point, because you know you're wrong.
I'm afraid your entire post was wrong the second you implied that the game had even an inkling of challenge.

>>388033936
You beat the story by beating ganon. Nothing else matters.

>>388034406
So hitting the switch between putting a rainbow bridge to Ganon and just letting you access him in the first place completely changes the meaning of the gerudo outfit for you and makes it acceptable and immediately makes you drop your functionally SJW position.

I don't think so. You would still complain. You would just find another autistic justification to do it. All these little technicalities are just post-rationalization for you, or you're just fucking autistic, because they realistically wouldn't matter to a reasonable person.

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>>388031145
BotW isn't perfect. It suffers from some of the flaws which plague all open world games - enemy repetition and difficulty balancing for example.

But these kind of things are minor, inevitable nitpicks which neve come close to overshadowing how fantastic the game is.

It's a genuine benchmark game which will be discussed and analysed for years to come.

I have no investment in any bullshit console wars. I own every console I want. And I know a milestone game when I see it.

>>388034520
>Oh wow, something you can sidestep super easily
You can prevent it by wasting food sure but if yoy either have no food or want to conserve it you need that suit. It also lets you get the male variant so bitches like you can stop crying about it.

>>388034021
The town means nothing if, again, I can skip it and just go right ahead and fight ganon. Needing a story justification to go there is purely cancerous and is an attempt at trying to make the game more "artistic" and "cinematic". The story can go jump off a cliff for all the importance it claims to have.

>By this logic everything has no purpose unless it is the killing blow on the boss.
Which is why games that cut out the fat and just let me get right to the meat of the game are infinitely better. I don't need some retarded backstory about the main character's fee-fees and how he cried because of some tragedy. Just give me a sword and let me at him. If you want more story in your game, go read a book.

Nothing. It sold millions.

>>388034042

Because everything you said >>388032005
can be applied to BotW, especially the part about gimmicks and enemy types, and if you can't see that then there's no point in continuing since you're already not going to change your mind and you clearly have a heavy bias already. You've never played Horizon and you've never played W3 and you're trying to argue based on your knowledge from a wiki page.

>>388020642
>Rain stops you from progressing for absolutely no reason whatsoever. Not even an item that lets you climb in rain.
>Combat is too shallow and late-game enemies become damage sponges with nothing interesting about the fights.
>Exploration is not rewarding as you know exactly what you're going to find. There's no mystery anymore.
>Shield surfing- one of the most fun things to do in the game- has a limit because fuck you.
>Weapons are made of biscuits and string. Wow what a cool weapon you just found. Too bad you can't use it for more than one enemy.

>>388034713
>You beat the story by beating ganon.
No all you beat is game, when you beat Ganon in the first 20 minutes because there was no story you just went and beat the final boss

>>388034815
>I'm expressing a dumb fanboy opinion but I'm totally not a fanboy

>>388020642
>lack of dungeons
>shrines and divine beasts are a poor replacement for dungeons
>shallow world, the only remotely interesting places filled with life and variety are towns
>shitty story
>half-baked OST - while there are a few good tracks, there are countless shitty ones, that are just random piano notes played while you roam around the maps
>no memorable boss fights
>enemy variety, all we got were recolors of the same stuff, the same applies for bosses
>durability system was a mistake from the beginning
>master sword

>>388034713
>The guy goes down in a minute even if you didn't bother getting the highest tiers of weapons.
I feel like you haventnplayed the game

>>388034870
The meat of the game is not just killing Ganon. There is plenty of meat aside from that that you're leaving to rot because it's not a required part of eating the specific meat that you autistically care about because it gives you the game over sequence, which is almost inevitably some kind of cinematic in almost every game (even though you hate cinematics)

You are a joke. Get reborn with a higher IQ or get your autism treated.

>>388034627
>Its litteraly used to get into a village that you need to enter if you want to beat the story.
I can beat the story the second I start playing. So that's incorrect.

>>388034635
>What gimmick and what bad gameplay?
Some stupid joke crossdressing scene which requires me to skip past multiple stupid cutscenes so I can hope that I find some kind of gameplay down the line. It's not worth it, let me tell you. If it exists for "story reasons" then I instantly discard it. Story is cancer.

>>388034758
I just want it to have more justification in the game. I want a final boss that cannot be beaten at the start of the game. He has to be unkillable until you've beaten like 90% of the game. Being able to kill him anytime with no challenge trivializes the whole damn game.

>>388034996
>>Rain stops you from progressing for absolutely no reason whatsoever. Not even an item that lets you climb in rain.
Use bird gale, agree with everything else tho

>>388035256
That was my last dungeon. It frustrated me to no fucking end how stupid the game is because of rain.

>>388035202
>I can beat the story the second I start playing. So that's incorrect
You can beat the game but you didn't complete the Story.

>>388034815
MGS V was miles better than BotW as an open world game, they just didn't polish the story as much as we would like

it's still ahead of this tech demo

>>388034849
>You can prevent it by wasting food sure
Ah yes, something you'll never run out of. How challenging.

>>388035026
And why should I care about the story? The game gives me no justification to want to "truly beat it" whatever that means.

>>388035124
I could speedrun it if I wanted to considering how easy they made it to get super OP weapons.

>>388035387
Stop responding to him, you will never get through to him. Before he responds to you I'm going to predict his response.

He will say that the story ends when Ganon dies, and that all other story elements that weren't required to get there were unnecessary and padded the game and are bad and garbage.

>>388035045
>a dumb fanboy opinion
Yeah that's right, keep living in denial. You'll notice that nobody gives a fuck.

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>>388035336
Honestly you should've did pic related last, he's pretty useless imo. Unless you're fighting a miniboss that is.
>>388035610
Yea good point, nigga dumb.

>>388035559
You should speedrun every game because you only seem to care about "beating" it.

You don't even realize that this is an autistic fixation and that fun content can exist that isn't required for an end game sequence.

Do you also play pokemon with just your starter and rush right to the champion then call it done? Actually, you don't even play RPGs, do you?

>>388035185
>The meat of the game is not just killing Ganon.
Then the game has failed. The only meat that should be important is my journey to beating Ganon, and if that can be trivialized, then what's the point of going off the beaten path? To make the end even easier? To quest for items and skills that will just trivialize the ending?

>>388035387
>You can beat the game but you didn't complete the Story.
again I ask, does the game give me a reason to care? I can't even spot a difference in the endings, since the game didn't bother asking me to care about the one-note shallow characters.

>>388035534
Wrong.

There's no open world game anywhere right now near the level of design sophistication which BotW has.

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>>388030872
MGSV is a fucking warzone in the middle of a desert
the little life that was there was killed by bombings

Zelda is nothing like it

>>388035734
>Actually, you don't even play RPGs, do you?
You are correct. I don't like cinematic movie games.

>>388035759
>design sophistication
>tons of completely redundant weapons
>palette swapped enemies
>eat2win

>>388035712
I didn't look up anything about the game when I was playing. I just ran around and did shit as I found it. Honestly I think I used the fast travel system maybe 3-4 times in the whole game?
Which was a mistake because the game is pretty bare and dry when you know what you're going to find.

This guy is honestly the most autistic guy on /v/, I don't even own BOTW or a Switch and I can tell you that what you're saying is bullshit. His line of logic is so asinine.
>Since Bombs can hurt enemies you don't need weapons.

>>388035818
Why do you always post your autistic opinions in every Zelda thread on /v/? We all know you don't like or play games that are even remotely in the same genre, so what's the point of coming here? You aren't adding anything new to the discussion, you're barely even shitposting. You're mostly just shitting on yourself as with each post you make it becomes more and more apparent how retarded you are. Why don't you just go spend time in a Terraria thread, or better yet, actually playing Terraria? We all know it's the only game you actually like.

>>388035976
Congratulations, you understand NOTHING about Game Design. Why are you youngsters so fucking stupid? I weep for the future.

>>388035992
Maybe with enough complaints they'll add something to help with climbing. I think the climbing gear should allow you to climb in the rain.
>>388035805
I love cooking in this game so damn much.

Have past 3d zelda games had this much shitposting? I know TP had people spamming 8.8 but I don't remember it being THIS bad

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>People are actually arguing with ACFag
I don't even understand anymore

>>388035998
The game gives you too many ways to dispatch them before they can even put up a fight. It just comes across as unfair. But forgive me for wanting some challenge in a video game.

>>388036031
>We all know you don't like or play games that are even remotely in the same genre, so what's the point of coming here?
To post criticisms and my viewpoint of the game? If you want a hugbox free of those "evil problematic opinions" that you don't agree with, there's a general on /vg/ that I'm sure would welcome you. if you want to post here, you're gonna have to deal with the eventuality that not everyone is just gonna mindlessly jerk off your opinion. You're no better than a neogaf moderator that bans people on sight for criticizing sony.

>>388036190
SS and BotW inevitably get shitposting because of how dramatically they departed from the zelda formula

>>388036232
>The game gives you too many ways to dispatch them before they can even put up a fight. It just comes across as unfair.
Fucking what?! How is that unfair? Sneaking mechanics exist so you don't have to deal with overpowered enemies or waist items. Thousands of games do this.

>>388021776
>I know I'm in a large majority but I liked this game a lot.

ftfy

>>388036109
>you understand NOTHING about Game Design
>infinite heals from a pause menu and redundant combat options are sophisticated game design
Tell me more desu

>>388036497
>Fucking what?! How is that unfair? Sneaking mechanics exist so you don't have to deal with overpowered enemies or waist items.
it's implied that you'll need them for later enemies, but those enemies never come because you can easily kill them too. The fact that, unless you're fighting a Lynel, you can sneeze and kill every single enemy around you, is bad game design. But that apparently isn't enough. Gotta give the player infinite time to heal too, while pausing the action, with no consequence. And let's not forget things like the flurry rush, which are quick time events that further trivialize combat.

>>388036232
>To post criticisms and my viewpoint of the game?
You've already done this and literally every single person on /v/ has heard them. Nobody cares though, even people that have no interest in the game. This isn't about protecting feelings, it's about everyone being sick of the exact same copy/paste arguments you make, that everyone already knows are retarded. You have never made a post about your opinion that did not end in every person in the thread realizing you are autistic.

It is far more obvious that you are obsessed with this game, and are grating your teeth at the notion that people enjoy it, despite it being the antithesis to what you think games should be. Instead of doing what a healthy person would do and just ignore these threads, you instead come back, time and time again, in the hopes that this time someone will actually agree with your shitty opinion. But it will never happen. You are completely and utterly alone in your view of not just this game, but games as a whole. Even other people who dislike or are neutral to BotW think you are an idiot.

When I ask you why are you still here, I am not asking you to leave for my sake. I am suggesting that you leave for your own sake, as it is clear to me that your autistic obsession with criticizing RPGs has brought you nothing but unhappiness.

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Shit combat
Copy pasta enemies
Super bad performance on consoles

>>388036742
If it's not part of a cinematic it's not a quick time event

>WOOOOW IF I INPUT THIS COMMAND AT THE RIGHT TIME I CAN COUNTER THE ENEMY FUCK THIS QUICK TIME EVENT BULLSHIT

The problem with flurry rushes is that they're too easy and give too much of an advantage. But they're not quick time events

>>388036742
>it's implied that you'll need them for later enemies, but those enemies never come because you can easily kill them too. The fact that, unless you're fighting a Lynel, you can sneeze and kill every single enemy around you, is bad game design.
You are a fucking idiot, at leat play the game before shitposting even blue Bobkins know to avoid the bomb, the black ones kick them right back at you. End game enemies don't even die from two explosions arrows.

>>388031281
Dude I like Platinum as much as anyone but even I know Vanquish was not that good. The sliding was cool, everything else about the game from story, to characters, to gunplay, to visuals was all mediocre at best. They're two completely different games anyway, it's like comparing Thief to Mario Party, it makes no sense.

>>388023638
It gets super boring after the first 10 hours, the game is just filled with recycled content.

>>388020642
Too much focus on quantity over quality.

>see how big the Great Plateau is? well the full map is HUGE! BIGGER THAN SKYRIM!
>120 shrines!
>look at all these food recipes you can make!
>look at all these different weapons you can use!

And when you actually play the game you realize that the novelty wears off very quickly because the game never shakes things up. What you're doing in the Plateau is basically what you're doing in the rest of the game, barring 4 incredibly short pseudo-dungeons. The content repeats itself over and over. Previous Zeldas were not free from filler (far from it) but the item progression kept things interesting. BotW doesn't really have item progression, at least on the same level. Previous Zeldas (except Skyward Sword) also had a lot more enemy variety. Even though BotW's enemies individually had more work put into them, you discover all of them (except maybe molduga) within the first dozen hours, and then you're stuck with them for 70+ hours. The game really needed a few higher-tier enemies to keep the second half of the game fresh. Iron Knuckles, Darknuts, etc. Furthermore, the game actually NEEDED a second half. I would have gladly sacrificed the crappy shrines for a second act of dungeons. There's a reason the LttP formula (also known as the "Zelda formula", or the "OoT formula" by retards) was copied so much, because it worked.

>>388036983
Yes they do, just go into the menu and slide the difficulty all the way down. Then you can kill everything with 1 shot as long as you don't use any beds

>>388036819
>This isn't about protecting feelings, it's about everyone being sick of the exact same copy/paste arguments you make, that everyone already knows are retarded
And yet it's perfectly fine to spam Zelda threads and metacritic scores and gloat about the gam ebeing the "best thing ever made". And let's not forget the obligatory "salty sonybro" reaction images. But someone criticizing the game, that's a step too far.

>You have never made a post about your opinion that did not end in every person in the thread realizing you are autistic.
That tends to happen when you make negative remarks about a game that's worshipped like a god. The zealots don't take kindly to it.

>It is far more obvious that you are obsessed with this game, and are grating your teeth at the notion that people enjoy it,
How so? This is like the first zelda thread I've posted in in weeks maybe. I just enjoy discussion. I've worn out my damn keyboard from it.

>You are completely and utterly alone in your view of not just this game, but games as a whole.
Of course, because as this industry has shown, might makes right and popular opinion can never be wrong, right?

>I am suggesting that you leave for your own sake, as it is clear to me that your autistic obsession with criticizing RPGs has brought you nothing but unhappiness.
If I may offer a counter, my high standards have led me to find many diamonds in the rough and have only amplified my appreciation of games that don't cut corners. Furthermore, it allows me to criticize even the games I like, so I don't fall into the trap of being a mindless corporate zombie who chokes on whatever their master tells them to.

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Botw was not zelda, plan and simple. It did not play like a zelda game, nor did it give any alternative of an experience equal to a zelda game. It was a cheap rentention of a game, and we should have saw the warning signs after Skyward Sword and Link between worlds was made. I don't think Nintendo is capable of making a good zelda game again.

>>388036949
>>388036983
>I have yet another method of completely trivializing combat at no risk to myself
Yeah, this is a bad mechanic anon.

>The problem with flurry rushes is that they're too easy and give too much of an advantage. But they're not quick time events
The world literally slows down so you can execute them. That's all the justification I need. Look at this>>388036938 if you don't believe me. Slowdown as a mechanic is cancerous.

You can mince words if you want. It's "technically" not a quick time event if you really are angry about the wording, but what's the difference? neither rewards you for skillful combat, and it's just an I-win button against 95% of the game.

>w-well you can just avoid them
That's no longer enough. The option should not exist period. It's time we stop pandering to the children who need their hands held.

>>388037248
>But someone criticizing the game, that's a step too far.
When the criticism is completely false than yes

>>388037491
So stealth option's are bad now because Nintendo did it?

>>388037491
>The world literally slows down so you can execute them.
No, the world slows down WHEN you execute them.

I didn't say they were good. I'm just telling you to use the correct terminology. They're not quick time events.

>>388037491
>The option should not exist period.
Oh fuck off with this shit, saying games should only be linear and not let the player have any options is stupid

>>388029284
>what i actually got
its amazing how nintendo toddlers pretend this somehow is a comeback when it just points out how bland and awful the game really is. what you got there are not dungeons, but a fortress you cannot enter, in other words a reskinned rock and another fucking shrine in a cave.

>>388020642
combat was aids, boss fights were lame.

>>388020642
yokai-la-le 2.0, baby tier dificulty with big maps with nothing to do.

>>388037248
>And yet it's perfectly fine to spam Zelda threads and metacritic scores and gloat about the gam ebeing the "best thing ever made"
Those threads are equally pointless. One thing being wrong doesn't make the other okay, and me saying you are autistic is not me condoning shitposting of another sort.

>That tends to happen when you make negative remarks about a game that's worshipped like a god. The zealots don't take kindly to it.
It also tends to happen when your argument is irrational and takes your personal preferences and blows them to the extreme, then claims that this is an objective fact. Which is what you do. You run around saying that any game with story is objectively flawed because of it, and that the only way for a game to be perfect would be to have literally NO dialogue at all. That's an exact quote, I don't even need to exaggerate on that one.

>How so? This is like the first zelda thread I've posted in in weeks maybe. I just enjoy discussion. I've worn out my damn keyboard from it.
Emphasis on maybe, your posts find their way into every BotW thread on this board. The only ones that don't have it are the ones filled by your rival for most autistic poster of the year award, the Horizonfag. You stay away from those threads it seems. Guess there's only room for so much autism in one thread.

>Of course, because as this industry has shown, might makes right and popular opinion can never be wrong, right?
There is a difference between having an unpopular opinion and being literally the only person with that opinion. You are the latter, not the former.

>If I may offer a counter, [fedora intesifies beyond this point]
You were one use of the word "euphoric" away from transcending the mortal plane and taking on your true form as autism incarnate. Your hyper inflated ego has blinded you to the flaws in your opinions. You believe your views on games to be objective fact, despite most of them being entirely irrational.

>arguing with a guy who literally wants the entire RPG genre to disappear
why bother? he's going to have retarded arguments and he's going to be an autist, and he's going to be back in another zelda thread a few weeks later repeating the exact same arguments that were countered because he cannot reflect on his opinion

>>388025387
hello /asp/

>>388036987
>actually arguing Vanquish isn't better than BotW
Why hello there Nintenbro.

>everything else about the game from story, to characters
Story is absolutely irrelevant in vidya retard. Most game stories, including Vanquish's and the entire Zelda series, are straight fucking abysmal.

>to gunplay
The gunplay was fantastic. Even the worst gun is useful and most are very useful. You also neglected to mention enemies and melee.

>giving a fuck about graphics
>when Vanquish keeps up its framerate better
Stahp.

>Vanquish doesn't count
How about DMC3, God Hand, RE4, Ninja Gaiden Black and 2, Wonderful 101, Kingdom Hearts 2: Final Mix, and God of War 2. Or are you just going to move the goalpost again and claim those don't count.

>>388037556
And how is the criticism false?

>>388037702
It's kinda bad when anyone does it. I hate Metal Gear as a whole because of it.

>>388037783
Still the same cancer. Mincing technicalities and definitions won't change it.

>>388038194
No, it's a different form of cancer. QTEs are retarded because they're not even really gameplay, and they require you to be at attention when you're in passive watching mode. They're a stupid bait and switch and an attempt to turn an essentially non-interactive sequence into gameplay. It's just a choose your own adventure between two cinematics.

Flurry rush is just retarded because it's too easy and offers too much of a reward. There is nothing fundamentally wrong with pressing the right button at the right time to gain an advantage during actual gameplay, which is what you imply when you call them QTEs.

>>388038005
>Those threads are equally pointless
Yet you avoid calling them autistic. Funny.

>me saying you are autistic is not me condoning shitposting of another sort.
You didn't consider it shitposting, though. You used them as ammunition in your little crusade. "dude everyone likes the game, you're in a minority, you're seething, I bet you're a salty sonyfag!" But now it's shitposting the exact moment I call you out on it. Very convenient.

>It also tends to happen when your argument is irrational and takes your personal preferences and blows them to the extreme, then claims that this is an objective fact.
My viewpoints can be grounded in fact, and I've provided examples to them.

>You run around saying that any game with story is objectively flawed because of it, and that the only way for a game to be perfect would be to have literally NO dialogue at all.
Games like Dwarf Fortress prove that a lack of story will never harm a game, and if we're going by the rhetoric that sales make a game better (something you said 20 posts ago) then minecraft also benefited from it. No story, but 150 million units sold. Second highest sold game in history. It alone outsold every single zelda game put together, including remakes and re-releases. It was only outsold by Tetris, which also had no story. So what can we take from this?

>You stay away from those threads it seems.
I don't like Horizon in the slightest and don't like sony in general, so why would I even think of going near those threads? I used to like both Nintendo and Zelda, so I still feel a desire to voice my 2 cents here.

>There is a difference between having an unpopular opinion and being literally the only person with that opinion.
So I'm the only one here who doesn't like Uncharted or TLOU, who thinks that games should have a stable framerate, that a 60 dollar game shouldn't have 20+ dollars of DLC? Interesting.

>no further arguments, just le funny hat joke
Hmm.

>>388038194
>stealth is bad
>rpgs are bad
>cinematics are bad
>dialog is bad
>any content that is not required for the final boss is bad and is poor game design
You are a living meme

>>388038194
>And how is the criticism false?
The infinite food part for one, and tthen complaining about the fact they put in options that you don't need to use.

>>388038464
>Flurry rush is just retarded because it's too easy and offers too much of a reward.
The same can be said of a quick time event. Different execution maybe, but similar result.

>>388038724
>want good gameplay
>get crucified

Really makes you think.

>>388037858
>you got there are not dungeons, but a fortress you cannot enter
You can't enter the dungeon on the left image either because its a fucking PAINTING.

That artwork is from the early Zelda game, to sell you visual imagery that the game couldn't achieve - a promise of high adventure and exploration. Imagery which was finally realised in BotW.

>>388038760
>The infinite food part for one
Oh, so the game will run out of food eventually? This is a new development.

>>388038676
>Yet you avoid calling them autistic. Funny.
But he said that they were in the wrong.
>>388038781
Can you tell me what your favorite game is?
>inb4 its the Dwarf Fortress nigga.

>>388021730
Why bother doing this when the normal solution is so easy a caveman could do it?

>>388038882
You know exactly what I mean don't play coy. YOU can run out of food.

>>388038901
>But he said that they were in the wrong.
It took me calling them out and pointing out his hypocrisy for him to admit that they were shitposting. What does that have to say?

>Can you tell me what your favorite game is?
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