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>>388016346
WHY CANT I FUCKING CLIMB UP THAT WALL WHY DO I HAVE TO GO OVER THE MIDGET ROOF

>>388016346
Yup, no denying it. The most pointless bonfire in all of dark souls, right up there with that one in DS3 right after Dragonslayer Armor.

>>388016346
>no bonfires in the actual iron keep
>have to defeat optional Smelter Demon to get rewarded with a bonfire
>there's another fucking bonfire 20 feet away from it, making all your attempts to defeat Smelter null

>>388016427
souls games rely on the fact that you cant jump or vault to design thei levels. this shit happened in 1 and 3 too but 2 just shits the bed with it

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>>388016346
>I'm such a fucking baby I can't kill Smelter Demon to get access to the actual shortcut bonfire

>>388016754
>there's another bonfire [that you have to run through an active PvP zone to use, taking at least a minute or two] 20 feet away from it.
>Therefore the Smelter bonfire is completely useless.
What did he mean by this?

Everyone can agree that 2 was the worst in the series, right?

>>388017468
Yes. Anyone else is unironically being a contrarian.

It's ok, but it isn't a good souls game.

Not with that movement feel, stiff combat, durability issues, and everything looking like plastic.

>>388017468
No. There is no worst or best game in the series, because every souls game have somethings shine in them and have somethings shit. Therefore it's personal taste what game in the series is best or worst.

>>388017762
>It's ok, but it isn't a good souls game.
But that's DaS3.

>>388017762

>people being contrarians ironically

Are we through the looking glass yet?

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>>388017824
>thinking rationally on /v/

>>388017468
if what you want is pvp no

>>388017468
>>388017762
fuck you nigge dark souls 2 is the best

>>388017894
DaS3 was fantastic.

The combat was massively improved, weapon arts added a lot of variety to the game and made nearly every weapon interesting , actual interesting shortcuts returned, world design made a comeback (albeit not as good as DaS1), the graphics blow 2 out of the water, movement felt grounded again, etc.

>Those visceral attacks ala Bloodborne achievable on MANY enemy types and a large amount of bosses that you discover as you keep playing.
>Rolling actually making bossfights feel more like action rather than re-action or waiting for an opening.
>Music blows 2 out of the water
>Bossfights, enough said.


There's more, but I'm lazy. DaS3 destroys 2, in nearly every aspect except less weapons/armors, and no powerstance (which wasn't as cool as everyone says, and my first char was powerstanced.)

>>388017934
You know where you are right?

>>388017762
>>388018308

Case in point.

>>388018308
>Dark Souls on Ice
>the best

>>388018364
The point is DaS3 is a bad dark souls game, having more in common with something like Bayonetta or DMC3 than it does the Dark Souls series. The latter arguably has better build variety.

>>388018709
you are fucking insane

>>388018756
You can't completely remove stamina, build variety, nonlinearity, and the drinking animation on estus and still call it a Dark Souls game.

>>388018896
>stamina
exists
>build variety
exists
>drinking animation on estus
exists

>>388018709
Nah man, I just listed more than a few reasons it's a good dark souls game.

I liked it more than DaS1 when I played it, then replaying 1, I like them about equally. Especially if we consider DLC.

Dark souls 2 had a fun and silly niche it occupied. I really wish more of wacky the stuff from 2 made it to 3, the DLC from 2 is still my favourite souls ever.

>>388018948
;^)

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>>388016346
>Used to just roll on to that ledge from above
>Play Scholars of the first sin edition
>They put in a fence to block people from doing that

>>388018948
Google "hyperbole", then come back with an actual argument. Those important staples of the series have been so neutered to the point where you can only say they exist in a technical sense.

>>388018968
>Nah man, I just listed more than a few reasons it's a good dark souls game.

You only listed reasons why its a good game, you did not list reasons why it is a good Dark Souls game. Lots of good games have good bosses, visceral combat, and good music, but I wouldn't call them good Dark Souls style games.

>>388016427
You are not forced to though, you can just go up the ladder and roll toward the wall, the roll length should drop you on top of it, allowing you to continue. They added a grating in SOTFS though, so you can't do it in this version.

>>388019138
Not him but how are you going to say "stamina" doesn't exist. There is literally a stamina bar below your HP like every other souls game.

Additionally, swinging a greatsword takes more stamina than a straight sword, takes more than a dagger, etc.

I don't think you played DaS3.

>Drinking estus doesn't take 3 seconds and fill your bar 5% hp per second.
Nevermind this is bait.

>>388019221
Why would anyone play the original over Scholar at this point?

Really? THIS gets people riled up? The other Bonfire ks literally five feet and a bride away; if anzthing, Belfry Sol itself has FAAAAAAAAAR more egregious bullshit.

This is outright clever compared to that.

>>388017468
The controls alone ruined it.

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>>388017448
>that you have to run through an active PvP zone to use
>active PvP zone

>>388019214
>Fantastic soundtrack isn't a reason a Dark Souls game is a good Dark Souls game
>Movement and combat feel isn't a reason a Dark Souls game is a good Dark Souls game
>I didn't say "visceral combat", I said visceral attacks, which in DaS3 you can get after dealing enough damage to the right spots of larger enemies and multiple bosses. And they feel AMAZING to perform and make combat more interesting. Ex: Crystal Lizard, Giant Crabs, Deep Accursed, Stone Gargoyles, Oceiros, Vordt, Dancer, Nameless King, Prince Lorian, Demon Princes (both the two in the first part of the fight and the last true Demon Prince), Elder Ghrus, Darkeater Midir, etc. (This probably isn't even half of them, and I'm not even counting the bosses you can parry here man)
>In DaS3 you can break an enemy's guard (ie. hollows or knights using shields) and quickly press R1 to perform a riposte during their guardbroken animation, which after seeing this, should have been in every Souls game.
>Proper shortcuts aren'tt a reason a Dark Souls game is a good Dark Souls game
>Cohesive world design (for the most part) isn't a reason a Dark Souls game is a good Dark Souls game
>Fantastic bossfights aren't a reason a Dark Souls game is a good Dark Souls game
>Interesting weapons aren't a reason a Dark Souls game is a good Dark Souls game
>Grounded movement feel (ESPECIALLY after Slippery Souls 2) isn't a reason a Dark Souls game is a good Dark Souls game

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>>388016427
The undead curse also prohibits everyone to climb small chest-high walls.
Otherwise the fat blacksmith fuck could've easily climbed into his workshop through the broken window.

This is why Let It DIE is better.

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>series is all about inability to escape your fate and cyclical nature of the world with you being a mere pawn
>suddenly special snowflake Aldia gives a pretentious lecture about finding another way and your character turns into some immortal being because he equipped a shitty old crown

>>388020171
Dark Souls has music?

>>388020539
Firelink Shrine, not even a bossfight, is one of my favorite tracks in the series. It's so soothing but at the same time somewhat haunting.

>Not appreciating nearly all the bossfight music in 3.
I drag fights out just to hear more of it.

>>388020539
that "orchestra and choir in a can" stuff that occasionally plays

>>388017468
No. 3rd one is

The undead is some bitch ass nigga who isn't strong enough to do a pull-up
Chances are the armor is weighing them down or something. I mean when they jump in water they sink like a rock

>>388017824
Patrician

>>388017824
With the game looking worse than the first Dark Souls, having shittier animations and feeling like butter, there is a worst. Sorry.

>>388020952
That is why games like that shouldn't have ''realistic'' graphics since this makes people expect realistic interaction with the environment.

>>388021216
>looking worse than the first Dark Souls, having shittier animations and feeling like butter, there is a worst. Sorry.
shitposting is a rule violation you know that right?

>>388021389
Play them in order again. Come back. I just finished doing that, 2 was an absolute slog with some fun moments. Also compared to 1 and 3 felt like I was floating around instead of actually connecting my feet to the ground. Embarassing movement feel.

>>388021801
>. Embarassing movement feel.

Not only movement but attacking is also fucked.
Try attacking in one direction and immediately in the opposite one.
In 1 your character will flip on the spot and attack behind him.
In 2 he'll turn around, resulting in you attacking to the side first instead of the back.
It's even worse with weapons like the Black Knight Great Sword where you won't turn at all in 2.

>>388021801
>>388022339
what an idiot

>>388022612
>Quotes two people
>idiot

This is your brain on Dark Souls 2.

>>388021801
I just played them in order last week.

SotFS > 3 > 1

Scholar was so much more open to not only different progression paths, it was the most varied in terms of how you can play the game.

It was a happy medium between the stiff robotic movement of 1's poisefest versus the rollspamfest of 3.

It had tons of variety in location and setting compared to the other games.

It had more weapons, armor and content than 1 or 3.

I just can't see how anyone can say 1 or 3 is better. 3 is better than 2 maybe, but SotFS pushes 2 well past 3.

>>388022880
No

>>388022339

This reminds me.

All black knight weapons also have fuckretarded stat requirements to use and ALL have fire damage instead of more interesting elements between them all.

>>388019304
Because the stamina regen is fucking insane.

Not even fast compared to 2, theres just no need to manage your stamina you just go "oh shit Im low on....wait nevermind bars full again"

>>388023003
I haven't played SotFS.

Has it fixed how utterly awful and slippery 2 felt? If it has, sure, it's a good dark souls game. I have a feeling it hasn't, and thus, everything you listed is second to how the game feels to play (or it should be, if gameplay matters to you in videogames).

I still get odd urges to play this game even though I hate like 80% of the levels and bosses.

>>388017824
> because every souls game have somethings shine in them and have somethings shit
And 2 has the least shine and the most shit.

>>388023324
And let's not get started on how you even get those weapons.

>>388016754
>he doesn't kill every boss in the game
>games shouldn't have risk and reward
fuck outta here

>>388023489
I understand what you mean. And it didn't feel slippery to me. SotFS is a massive update that fixed Graphics, FPS issues, movement deadzones and more.

It feel very smooth. Not as smooth as 3, but a big leap over 2 and 1.

Official hardest boss in each game:
1. Artorias
2. Fume Knight/Sir Alonne (tie)
3. Spear of the Church if played by someone skilled. Otherwise Midir.

>>388018896
Whatever you played was not Dark Souls 3, mate

>>388024473
Two cat were way harder than any of them except Midir.Midir and Darklurker are the hardest bosses in the series

>>388022339
Oh shit I forgot about that. Attacking while strafing would cause you to attack sideways even if you were locked on with some weapons. Man that was stupid.

>>388024473
>artorias
wow so hard to shield and smack the fuck out of him as he buffs
sure got me

>>388023743
I don't remember. There's another thing about 2, none of the areas were memorable, there were WAY too many, and I forgot the names of nearly every one. Same with many bosses. I remember nearly everything about 1 and 3.

>>388024785
Personally find Gael harder than Midir. Also a better fight, although Midir is really good.

>>388024848
Great weapons allowed you to aim them after attacking, just don't move after attacking.

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>>388017762
You don't understand what contrarian means.

>>388024910
1's bosses were extremely easy outside of O&S and Artorias to be fair.
Maybe Manus...

>>388024936
Some tiny goblins drop that stuff, shotels, crescent axes and some end game spells - don't ask why.

>>388025064
Gael was a tough fight til I realized he was severely weak to backpedaling while shooting him with Avelyn on quite a few attack animations.

>>388025079
Yeah I figured that out, but not before it got me killed a few times.

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It's funny that there's so many more threads about 2 than 3.

Just a proof that it was more entertaining and fresh than the stale but polished shit that was DS3.

>>388025781
Because it's the closest in tone and gameplay to the best game From ever made.

Demon's Souls

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>>388025150
Damn.....

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>>388019338
Scholar has bunch of stupid shit added, like red NPC invaders everywhere. Certain areas got a lot more annoying for no reason too.

They messed with the statues too, cant remember what exactly it was but I remember being angry. I think they added bunch of those and changed the placement of the branches, so you're forced into a more linear path in Scholar as opposed to being able to basically go in 4 different directions from Majula.

>>388027645
>like red NPC invaders everywhere
Not a bad thing
>statues
They made it so you needed a branch to get to shaded woods. They added a few more here and there to shepard the player a bit, but added a bunch more branches to the game.