how big should a map be?

>>387967349
2x the size of great britian
t. daggerfall

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>>387967349
a good size. especially if their is a second game that comes afterwards.

EQ may be small, but each game is a section of the continent. Personally I think you should add each game like a puzzle to make the full map.

>>387967349
Depends on what content it has. Botw i thought was just a little to big, while Xenoblade X i thought was huge but had alot to offer.

It's not about the size but about the density of shit there is to do.

>>387967349
Burnout Paraturd's map is NOT what retards make it to be.
It's way smaller.

>>387967349
as big as it needs to be.
For example daggerfall map was way too big

>>387967349
Big enough to where there's a balance between meaningful content (like towns, cities and dungeons) and filer space (vast, mostly empty forest, deserts etc.)

>>387967349
Depends on how quick you travel and how you plan for the player to consume content.

Skyrim you move obnoxiously slow and you're supposed to travel to find content. You don't have to travel far but it still kind of sucks

BotW you move reasonably quickly, have many methods of travel and traveling is fun. The fun in the game comes from dicking around on the way to things because movement is fun and combat isn't a big investment of focus

GTA V is pretty much the same story as BotW. You can move incredibly quickly and have many fun movement options plus most of the fun comes from dicking around and causing mayhem on your way from A to B.

Didn't play much of W3, dropped it about 6 hours in because all you do is follow dotted lines on a horse and talk in an area that's dead fucking flat and uninteresting, never mind how disgustingly far away and boring everything is to get to.

There are better examples of non-dick around open worlds like deus ex mankind divided and arkham asylum since their layouts were small but packed with content and memorable and felt brimming with thought, focus, and care but I'm mainly addressing the 4 in pic.

>>387967349
as big as is needed

>>387969492
>It's not about the size but about the density of shit there is to do
Pretty much this. Also, certain style of games seem to have different sizes that suit them. GTAV's city size was fine, but the upper section could have probably stood to get cut in half. GTA Vice City and 3 used its size quite well. BotW was just the right size, except they neglected filling it with shit. Hopefully the Wii U was the limiting factor on that and they won't do it again.

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monolith soft found the answer to that question recently

>>387967349
We can't stop until we're literally 1:1 to entire planets. Procedural generation doesn't count. I want real time AR feedback contributing to a truly insane game.
Even if it's just real life + (insert mundane twist here)

Openworld was a mistake

>>387970776
>get doll
>all of a suddenly you can explore everywhere with complete ease
Pretty much the same issue that I had with BotW, except it took longer to reach this problem. I stopped playing the game shortly after getting my doll. Hell, I went over the entire map at that point, and revisiting a spot you've already seen 1000 times isn't fun.

>>387967349
Skyrim can't be smaller than GTAV, it seriously doesn't seem like it

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>>387971172
>If vehicles
Just Cause 2
>If not
Skyrim

>>387971172
Try crossing GTAV on foot before making that assumption. A car goes a long way.

>>387971360
Isn't vehicles the slower way to travel, besides planes?

>>387971442
Question was about the map size, not the transportation/movement speed

>>387971594
I was just implying that it is hard to judge the size of the map based on vehicles when your main, and faster, mode of transportation wasn't vehicles.

>>387971360
Panau was such a great map, I wish Medici had the same level of environmental variance

>>387970709
i never understood, have all these land masses always been there? and nobody noticed? or does every 2-3 years, a new continent randomly appears? exclude northrend, It was always there, even in WC3

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smaller but more detailed > big with lots of blank space
people talk about daggerfall's size like it's impressive but when you actually play it almost the entire map is empty and designed for fast travel.

>>387971932
I would say the biggest disappointment of Medici was that the big northern island was completely empty besides the southern coastline

>>387971946
the broken isles were also in wc3. pandaria was hidden by chink magic or some shit

>>387972089
broken isles in wc3 were nothing like the isles in legion. wc2 broken isles were even more different with the tomb of sargeras being just a cave.

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Does it really count as a true open world if all the areas are separated like in Witcher 3?

>>387971946
>Warcraft lore
Just give up, anon

>>387972089
why didnt anyone ever try to go there during vanilla-WOD? Why wasn't on any maps?
and dont say everything was too powerful. the "heroes" had world shaping powers and could kill major demon lords, titans, and the lich king, and all other of the most powerful figures

>>387972061
Oh yeah that was a massive letdown, the top half of the map was literally empty.

If they do another Just Cause game it needs almost identical gameplay to JC3 with an amazing map on the level of JC2.

>>387971172
There's a reason why riding horse in skyrim is barely faster than running.

>>387967349
Size doesn't matter, what there is to actually do in an area is what matters.

Dense>Vast

>>387972338
it was pretty gay over there i heard

>>387967349
Depends on how fast you travel through it.

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>>387972338

Broken isles were on earlier maps

>>387971946
They have always been there, but were not important enough for you to go there.

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>>387972605
Those were different islands that had a similar shape.

>>387967349
Big enough to contain all the content without feeling unnaturally cramped, but without being so big that there are vast stretches of nothing just for the sake of looking "epic"

>>387967349
How long should a rope be?

>>387967349
Big enough to not feel small.

Small enough to not take fucking forever to get from A to B while having so much space that there's nothing between those points.

>>387967349
It doesn't matter. The amount and quality of content on the map is whats important.

>>387972846
>tomb of sargeras
>not important enough

>>387967349
As big as it needs to be. San Andreas still has the best map of all time, and it's tiny compared to modern games. Vice City is even smaller and arguably just as good.

>>387972892
i dont see pandaria

>>387972338
Because nothing was happening on the broken isles
when there isn't a legion invasion or somebody fucking with the tomb of sargeras, it's just some mostly empty islands with a few grumpy naga on it. There's no reason to be there.

>>387970709
>>387972605
>>387972892
Is there a more fucked with, retconned map than Warcraft's over the years?

One, maybe two small rooms

>>387972231
There are several open world maps

>>387973110
I misspoke.

You, as a player, were not important enough to go there.

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>>387973232
say what you will about bethesda's fall from grace, but at least they've never fucked up the world map

>>387973453
muh jungle
eso also retconned a lot of stuff like high elf cities being made out of poetry

>>387967349
is there fast travel? As big as you want. No fast travel? Smaller is better.

>>387973535
I know they've fucked things up that way, I'm just saying they never changed the shape of the world or where things are in relation to each other.

>>387967349
I thought BotW's map was a perfect balance between feeling a large vast world and being a recognizable set of places. It feels just as memorable to me as something smaller and closer together like Ocarina's world, which is rare for an open exploration game.

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>>387967349
>fallout 4 was smaller than skyrim

>>387973535
>poetry
How can a city be made out of poetry? What would that even look like

>>387967349

Map size has always been a gimmick. LOTRO has one of the largest mapped worlds of any game/MMO and it's mostly empty space.

I think about games like Oblivion which had (at the time) massive open worlds and not having known about quick travel, would be these long treks on foot that involved running into the same animals, occasionally finding a cave or shrine was a great example of discovery, but when I found out about fast travel I did it to every single location.

Empty space is fucking boring, I'd much rather have a city or hub of sorts that is packed with distractions or diversions than have to walk through wastelands.

>>387973859
It also didn't help that a third of it was under water.

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>>387968002
This

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>>387967349
It doesn't matter the actual size of the map but the density of the map's relevant features thereof. Just to use an example from your OP let's look at the HD Universe's Los Santos.
Technically it's a pretty big fucking map but think about where most of the action happens. There's very little in terms of missions, collectables, side characters, and other points of gameplay that you can find outside of the city proper. It can even be argued that the vast majority of the counties' surface area is just there to extend the playing area so you can fly planes in long straight lines without needing to turn around sooner.

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Depends.
Fallout 4 for example is huge, but places all meaningful towns smack bang in the middle of the map right next to each other so it feels small. Content needs to be spread out

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>>387967349
As big as your dick

GTA V should've made the map smaller and made to where most building could be entered, along with bank robberies in single player. Would've been cooler exploring busy buildings and holding up inside a sky scraper or office building fighting off the cops.

>>387974229
>Orange Islands that far away from Kanto
Are you trying to tell me that Ash skipped several areas just to do his Elite Four matches proper?

>>387974350
But then all maps would be short and linear.

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>>387974406
Ash is the fucking retard that told Pikachu to use thunderbolt on a ground type and never learns anything from his previous journeys.

He also has NEVER beaten the Pokemon league.

Is it that hard to believe?

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>>387974537
Your dick is big and veiny Anon, stop lying.

>>387967349
No way is Witcher 3's map that big.

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>>387970776
Their layouts have always been gay but I'd drink a gallon of milk if I could find another developer that can do traversable landscapes like they can.

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>>387973232
no

>>387974898
>>387970776
Fucking loved the geography of XC, always forgot I was on a giant mech.

>>387974740
It's never healthy to lie to yourself.

>>387974898
>holding forward is fun!
kys

>>387974229
ever region on that map is wrong holy shit

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>>387975232
>I've never played Pokemon

>>387974898
>I'd drink a gallon of milk
t. ching chong

>>387967349
Exactly as large as it needs to be to fit the main content of the game and not one inch bigger.
And no, 10 square kilometers of empty jungle with copypaste military bases everywhere isn't content fucking just cause 2.

>>387970495
>GTA V is pretty much the same story as BotW. You can move incredibly quickly and have many fun movement options plus most of the fun comes from dicking around and causing mayhem on your way from A to B

>the 10 minute drive to sandy shores is fun
Neck yourself

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>>387975232
are you actually trying to tell me that Johto isnt next to Kanto?

I miss the good ol forums days where everyone could just gang bang your profile with negative rep for saying stupid shit

>>387975587
why the fuck would Kalos the pokemon France be connected to Kanto and Johto

>>387975859
Because the Pokemon world isn't Earth? I bet you watch Game Theory and wonder why a blue hegdehog can run so fast when a normal hedgehog can only run 4mph in short bust. You autist

Its not about size, its about memorability. GTA V's Los Stantos did it perfectly.

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>>387975587
Then post the correct version

>>387976004
No because I've played the games and each one is obviously based on real world locations. Johto and Kanto have similar cultures and wildlife it makes sense. Plus the little fact that they're the only ones that connect in any game. the whole map is some retarded trying to make sense of a world that doesn't have define geography.

>>387970748
They should have put in another city in GTAV instead of just leaving it as countryside.

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>>387976228
You're the retard trying to make sense of it. You even stated every region is in the wrong place as if you know where they're supposed to go.


>>387974229
This is the better map btw

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>>387975816
>I miss the good ol forums days where everyone could just gang bang your profile with negative rep for saying stupid shit

Who the fuck misses karma or even having a name? Do you know where the fuck you are?

>>387975176
>I have ADHD!
*kiss*

>>387976228
>Johto and Kanto have similar cultures and wildlife it makes sense.
All the regions have similar wildlife, zubats exist in almost every fucking region. You count the Ranger series and theres entire regions that are essentially Johto, Sinnoh and Kanto

>>387973232

It's not retconned, it's just that warcraft in-universe cartography is really shitty, like medieval maps in our world.

>>387976374
I'm not the guy who said they're wrong, even though I agree with him. I just think that map is fucking retarded from even a basic geographical stand point and my autism flares when I see it posted. the second map you posted doesn't look like it was made by a mong though.

>>387976506
>Who the fuck misses karma or even having a name?
People who don't make stupid ass posts. The lack of embarrassment is desensitizing our youth

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exactly this large

>>387976374
>Baiting every poketard with the first map before posting the second one
God's work right there

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>>387976374
>That region on right of Hoenn

Surf for days Great Scott!

>>387975136
really? I couldn't forget, the game is constantly reminding you with scenery of the giants

>>387972846

But you went to almost all these places in WC3 excluding pandaria

>>387967349
That map for Witcher 3 is super fucked.

Velen/Novigrad is not that big, and Skellige is nowhere near that small.

>>387967349
No way BotW is smaller than The Witcher 3 and GTAV.

>>387971172
in this sense skyrim is extremely well designed
they hide big distinct areas with small mountains and forests to stop you from seeing everything is close. the roads wind and fast travel means you never get a sense of scale
if you actually just walk over everything and take the highest route from one side of skyrim to the other it's not that big
it would seem even smaller if you could take a car on a road

>>387976645
You've made two top-tier ones so far. Life will fuck them harder than some piddly-ass personal army attack eventually. What you said also implies that people should really care about some arbitrary number, which is far worse. Like all those kids who get downtrodden and bent out of shape because their YouTube views/subscribers aren't higher or get overly excited when they get a follower or two. It's vain, it's stupid, and definitely outdated.

>>387977398
It's made like that so that all three maps can fit on the same A4 piece of paper

>>387977613
tldr

>>387967349
Whoever made this is probably mentally retarded and fucked up.

Zelda BotW is way bigger than Witcher 3 and definitely GTA V. Especially if you consider how vertical the world is with all the mountains and holes. Also dungeons. But even the basic field is bigger.

And Witcher 3 has a 100% empty sea and nvisible walls everywhere.

>>387977406
"The smallest estimate, created by reddit user noob10, uses link's jogging speed and time estimates to place the world at around 8.3 square miles based on the speed of 30 minutes to run across the world, a much more conservative size. However noob10's calculations assume that Link's running speed is the same as the average human walk speed, while Link actually runs at something closer to a slow sprint.

The final estimate, which seems the most accurate, is based off several factors including Nintendo's official map scales and claims. This estimate lands somewhere in the middle, placing the size of the map at 61 square kilometers, or 23.5 square miles.

To put that in the perspective of #VideoGames, the world is indeed 1.5 times bigger than Skyrim and absolutely dwarfs previous entries into the series, but it isn't as big as some games. The Witcher 3 is still around twice as big, and GTA V beats it by about 20 square kilometers."

>>387977728
Next you're going to tell me this thread is 56k no.

>>387967349
>witcher 3 map
>literally 90% of that is unplayable not in game and not evenr mapped in backgrounds of areas

>>387977613
>You've made two top-tier ones so far.
You cant even prove theyre my posts

>>387977773
>BotW is bigger because you can't count areas that are wide open or can't be reached

Nigga, they are talking about map area. Is Antarctica the smallest continent now? Not much there can be counted by your metric.

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>>387967349
this big

>>387978137
Thankfully there is a game with a map just like that. It's called No Man's Sky

>>387977992
Well, I know the one I just replied to is you. The one I am replying to now is you as well. You said "You can't even prove theyre my posts". If it was not your post, you would've been more prone to saying "How can you even tell that they are posted by the same person?" On top of that, who else would care to reply in defense of another anonymous party?

You get to pick now! Are you some bizarre white knight trying to protect nameless people, despite wishing we went back to being named? It's that or those posts are both yours. Make your choice, Sophie.

would like a whole city to be scanned. and then be fed realtime data on whoever is out and about. and buildings enterable too.

>>387969492
Too bad the majority of gamers are mindless sheep that can only register bigger as better.

>>387973990
Stone, but shaped by words

Does anyone have the map for Red Dead? I think that one struck a good balance with regards towards content density vs speed of travel.

>>387978718
So the art director telling the 3D modeler how to do his job?

>>387978456
Go play Google Earth, see how long infinity entertains you

>>387978137
that's one tiny section of the universe

>>387978863
Art director telling the 3d modeler to make something cool, but vague enough that the modeler gets to put their own spin on it

>>387969492
What about the immersion a bigger map gives you? Do you really want shit put everywhere in the world so there is always something, instead of a more realistic and empty approach?

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>>387967349

>>387978886
then i want vr, haptic feedback, and the ability to walk around and communicate with people.

>>387967349
Depends on the game style and content. BOTW is too big, GTA V is too small.

>>387979190
Then you can expect it when euclideon gets released.

A rule of thumb I like is it should take 10 minutes in the fastest vehicle to move from one end of the map to the other end.

>>387970748
>BotW was just the right size, except they neglected filling it with shit

I don't get this meme. There's several towns all with content and all but one are part of the main story. There's 120 what are essentially mini dungeons and 5 main dungeons. There's camps of enemies strewn all over the place and mini bosses can be found all over too. Plus there's more unique interesting shit like the labyrinths, dragons and goddess shrines, tech labs, etc. Really what do people want in there to make it feel 'filled'?

>>387979508
That's a terrible rule.

>>387979508
Sounds pretty arbitrary, Anon.

>>387974898
How is that gay?

>>387979235
>BOTW is too big

Really? Why? I think they could have put more interesting things in it to find but overall I like the size of BotW's world. The landscape being very varied and fun to traverse helps.

>GTA V is too small

I think it feels a lot smaller than it actually is because it's easy to travel across it very quickly.

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>>387979693
The best thing about botw was that there weren't just fucking toys lying around everywhere like it was a four year old's bedroom. Everything had space to breathe and distances felt about right.

It should take the Far Cry 2 approach.
Pretty big map, that is hard to navigate through, making it seem even bigger in retrospect.

>>387967349
Large enough to fill the map screen.

>>387980095
I can hear it in my head, anon
IN THE TIME BEFORE TIME

>>387980095
>whole original series takes place on the body of a sleeping god-being
Literally the morrowind of kids series.

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step aside lads

>>387979693
Not everything you disagree with is a meme, retard.
>>387980003
>>BOTW is too big
>Really? Why? I think they could have put more interesting things in it to find but overall I like the size of BotW's world. The landscape being very varied and fun to traverse helps.
It's too big compared to its content. You don't really need to explore to clear the main quests and once you're done, the exploration is shitty because 95% of the map is empty and the remaining 5% is filled with stuff you already experienced 20 times. You'll only find the same 5 ennemies and one sanctuary or korok every once in a while. For its size, it'd need WAY more variety. Like 6-7 more villages with their own identity, 20 new ennemies, way more travellers and npc doing random stuff in the wild and a real way to locate koroks.

>>GTA V is too small
>I think it feels a lot smaller than it actually is because it's easy to travel across it very quickly.
My issue with it is that it's small and "simple" enough that you remember pretty much everything after a few hours only. In a game where the environment plays such a big part, it's very important that the players keep discovering things for a very long time. Once you know exactly which way you should go during a chase or the respawn point for your favorite car, most of the interest is gone already.

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>>387967349
at least a few planets big

>>387967369
Look everyone - it's best Elder Scrolls!

>>387967349
BoTW is pretty good proof that having a big map is pretty pointless if it's just empty.

>>387980908
>Not everything you disagree with is a meme, retard

Not an arguement

>>387973110
There was nothing of any relevance going on there until recently.
The player character just goes wherever the horde and alliance are focusing all of their troops at the time whenever a new ancient evil awakens.

>>387981132
For idiots like you, maybe.

>>387967349
Is it true that Witcher 3 has zones rather than allowing you to fully explore the map without breaking it up?

I would like to see an RPG so big that you wouldn't be able to explore it all in one playthrough. Something like 1000 Morrowind's combined if that makes sense with in universe/lore fast travel means rather than just giving it to the player.

>>387983036
>I would like to see an RPG so big that you wouldn't be able to explore it all in one playthrough. Something like 1000 Morrowind's combined if that makes sense with in universe/lore fast travel means rather than just giving it to the player.

this would just result in procedural generated shit or huge amounts of copy pasted areas

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One galaxy is more than enough

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>>387970140
This anon has the right idea.

Filler may be nice, but it's only that. A game focused on the environments the player with interact with is a well planned game