Is this the dark souls of red-pilled video game journalism?

"nerd" culture has the shittiest community that needs to reference things constantly to sound cool and intelligent

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If saying a game is reminiscent of Dark Souls is the most succinct way to convey important gameplay elements to people, then saying a game is souls-like is perfectly fine. You'll probably have to go into detail WHY it's similar to Dark Souls afterwards, but you'll have to offer an explanation after any sort of summarizing or generalizing statement about a game's impression on you.

Might as well throw a fit that games aren't rogue-like unless they look and play almost identically to Rogue.

Has there been a mod released yet that changes the "YOU DIED" or dying screams in Dark Souls to woah

>>387947625
wew lad I'm having a hard time reading this post out loud

>>387948071
Death text has been moddable for ages in all of the souls games. I don't know about the sounds though.

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>>387947696
Its not even about sounding cool, it's about being so insular your whole vocabulary revolves around vidya -- that's the only way get can describe things

L A N G U A G E

>>387947625
There are plenty of games that are genuinely similar to the Souls series, but the label has been abused to the point where anything that gave even the simplest illusion of challenge is "Souls-like." I remember one review for BotW saying it was Souls-like based only on the fact that it had stamina.

is Dark Souls the Dark Souls of influential media?

>>387948867
>3 different authors
woah!!

>>387948867
Not only are they different authors, but they're quoting what someone else said.

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>>387947625
influential as fuck

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>>387948867
>>387948972
so? the term is overused anyways

Same reason people joke that Halo is the grandfather of console FPS.

Is /v/ the souls-like of video game forums?

>Metroidvania is good
>Souls-like is bad

Souls-likes nowadays aren't dumb because of the term. The problem is idiotic reviewers and developers labeling their games as such. True Souls-likes should be similar to Souls but branch off to their own different core experience and mechanics rather than just ripping off Dark Souls mechanics

Souls-like is a legitimate label, just like Rogue-like.

>Difficult
>Lose currency (souls, etc) on death
>Lacks a lot of conveniences of modern games to make you feel out of your element

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They just need to reserve it for games that are actually clearly paying homage or heavily influenced and inspired by Dark Souls. Hollow Knight, for example. But shoot anybody that wants to tell you WOOOOOOAH THIS GAME IS SO HARD IT EXPECTS YOU TO HAVE ANY COMPETENCY AT ALL ABOVE A CHILD'S FIRST VIDYA

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>>387947625
ITS LIKE THEY USE THE LABEL IN ORDER TO MAKE CLICKBAIT THEN CRITICIZE THE LABEL TO MAKE MORE CLICKBAIT

OH HOLY SHIT

>>387949417
Metroid-vania isn't any better. Two rights don't make a wrong!

>>387947625
I like how the image throws shade at roguelikes and metroidvanias

>>387947625
>thread with an image that uses "it's the souls of X"
>it's filled with people who hate the term souls-like
>thread complaining about saying "it's the souls of X"
>it's filled with people defending the term

is /v/ tsundere?

>>387947625
What website? I wouldn't be surprised if they've used the term "the Dark Souls of..." before.

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>>387947625
How many levels of irony are we on now? I feel this is some next level ironic post-ironic shit posting.

What's the dark souls of anime?

Do you guys think "souls-like" is going to become like "rogue-like" in that some people will know of the subgenre but not the original game(s)?

>>387947961
>This game has swords and you fight monsters so it's a soul-like.

>>387948972
>3 different authors
Yeah? What about the editor? Does that position even fucking exist anymore? I remember when the title "editor-in-chief" actually meant something.

>>387949831
Code Vein

>>387950082
No

>>387949831
Berserk?

>>387950082
>video game journalism
>real journalism
pick one

>>387949778
PC Gamer
>>387948867

>>387949831
Paranoia Agent.

>>387947961
The issue is that "souls-like" has become a crutch for lazy writers who can't think of a better description for a game. It makes little sense as a genre as well, as Souls games didn't really invent anything, just simply reinvigorated certain concepts, such as the corpse run. It's like calling all console fps "Halo-likes".

>>387949283
Halo did a lot to bring the genre to the forefront of the public conscious, though. It certainly didn't invent anything, but like Souls it gave a boost to a genre that wasn't all that popular on home consoles.

>>387949436
My favorite souls-like is Super Mario Bros 2 (Japanese).

>>387949963
>im real dumb or im b8ing
ftfy

>>387947625
>shit soul
>influencial
hahaha
AHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>387949759
No, /v/ is just contrarian.

>>387951171
no we're not

>>387949436
So, sonic mania is a soul clone?
>lose currency on damage/death
>normies can't finish it
>plays like a 90's game instead of a 2017 one

>>387951235
yes we are

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>normalfags always ask me if Dark Souls is "that really hard game"

>>387947625
>Dark Souls is an excellent game
Stopped reading here.

>>387949436
Diablo is my favourite roguesoulslike.

I just hate how games like hollow knight and Nier Automata are shoehorning in the "drop all your currency on death and have to collect it" gimmick.

The thing that made Dark Souls good was not having to backtrack or having to run from the bonfire to the boss door. It also wasn't having tacked on multiplayer elements like leaving clues for other people.

>>387952470
Dark Souls certainly did not invent corpse runs.

there isnt really such thing as "souls-like" though. if anything they should all be refered to as "kingsfeild-like"

>>387953096
Nah but it has made it an extremely popular modern trend.

>>387953494
king whomst?

What is the Dark Souls of 4chan boards?

>>387953673
/vip/

gaming press did the exact same stuff with Zelda in the 90s. it's just the hotness

>>387953573
Dark Souls is basically a third person Kingsfield/Shadow Tower, which were Dungeon Crawlers made by FromSoft

I think that Sonic and Crash exposed the skewed perception of difficulty within the gaming industry an community.

Everyone has taken for granted that only the soulsbounre games have ever been the ones who's games are difficult due to having to deal with trial and error. Having to learn enemy move sets and being aware of dangerous parts of the locations you're going through.

But surprise, surprise, the old school classics are exactly the same, except they're not all like souls/bounre. People need to be reminded that there ARE other games out there that offer their own unique sort of challenge thats unlike the soulsbounre series. Using souls/Bourne as a reference point is just an incorrect way of thinking.

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>>387947625
Anyone got the dark souls of persona/darksouls of their genre image?

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>>387947625
>Rogue
>In a Dark Souls article

>>387949831
evangelion
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4O6ttzNxBg

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>>387947625
>only game journalist uses "souls-like" label for clickbait articles
>make an article about how the label is misused
Wonderful! How meta!
Who is this article even for?

>>387949795
Honestly I'm pretty sure most of the people who make these kinds of comments got carried through the game by phantoms

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>Playing Souls after playing MonHun

Is Demon's Souls the Dark Souls of Souls games?

>>387954885
>playing a good game after playing a shitty game
I see nothing wrong with this.

>>387954949
Actually Dark Souls 2 is the dark souls of the Souls series.

>>387955110
this
just because souls is easy as shit compared to MH doesn't make it worse

>>387953673
/out/ probably.

>>387952470
At the very least, it motivates you to really not die or be cautious the further you venture out from savepoints.

>>387953515
Actually I would say Diablo 2 gets that reward.

ITT we post games that are the "souls" of their genre

Dirt Rally is the dark souls of racing games

>pc master race
>souls-like
>rogue like
what other memes need to die?

what is the dark souls of movies?

>>387957192
Angel's Egg

>>387957192
Frozen

What is the dark souls of pornography?

>>387948368
WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>387947625
Dark Souls is just Rick and Morty for video games.

>>387958431
this but unironically

>>387958431
>Rick and Morty of video games
So it's shitty meme infested and pretentious as fuck?
btw I never played any Souls game, didn't have the chance

>>387947625

"Souls-like" is a perfectly valid shorthand for games that have a certain combination of traits (respawn at a checkpoint upon death, some sort of currency that you lose when you die, RPG elements that use said currency, high difficulty level). The problems arise when people use the label incorrectly to describe things that have only some of those elements.

>>387947625
Nothing is wrong with using "Souls-like" it's genuinely a thing now
Did people bitch like this when "roguelike" became a term?

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>>387948368

Why would you bother to give a lengthy description for something when "It's like X" suffices?

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>>387947625
>Any game that has higher difficulty in general is Souls-like

Was Dark Souls a mistake?

>>387949436
By this label fucking Runescape could be considered a Souls-like game.

>>387948972
And who's fucking editing them?

>>387958876
This is the dark souls of 4chan posts?

Nothing is more effective than when a nu-male cuck faggot game journo tells people to stop doing things, it always works.

Cucko should stick to dreaming about being in Antifa, watching bad comedians "roast" Trump for the millionth time and fapping to Blacked so we don't have to see his faggot articles. Apparently one GG wasn't enough to tell these braindead cocksuckers off....we could use a few more until they get the point.

>>387958876
>respawn at a checkpoint upon death, some sort of currency that you lose when you die, RPG elements that use said currency, high difficulty level

You literally just described Gradius

>When SBH compared fucking Slime Rancher to Dark Souls
yes the comparisons need to FUCKING DIE

>>387959267

Gradius has no RPG elements because the upgrades aren't persistent. "RPG elements" requires persistent upgrades. You illustrated very well though, what the problem is: when you remove even one element from the formula, the result becomes so broad that it applies to almost anything.

The term "Souls-like" doesn't need to die
It's that people need to stop being retards and non-ironically comparing any game with some slight difficulty to Souls games

>>387958965
Because in the case of games, X can have a massive number of qualities to it that every player latches onto differently, and if you tell me monster hunter is like dark souls because its slow and there's a bunch of big bosses or some other superficial bullshit, it's going to be completely misleading to someone who associates dark souls with its stage design and atmosphere.

If you say "it's like X" and leave it at that, I have no idea what you actually mean by that and if I haven't played X, it means even less. Even if I have played X it just makes you sound like an inarticulate retard. If you say "it's like X, because..." and explain what about it is like that in a reasonable amount of detail, you may as well leave out the 'It's like X' prefix altogether and just explain how the new thing is.

>>387947625
What's next
>do we really need this many token characters?

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>>387959252
What the fuck are you on about retard

>>387959753
Shut the fuck up Tumblr, nobody fucking cares.

>>387959559
>if I haven't played X, it means even less

Pfft. As if I would lower myself to speak to a plebeian who has not played X.

Jokes aside, it's fair to assume familiarity with the medium when discussing said medium. If I'm going to talk about videogames on a videogame board, I'm going to assume that you have played almost all important games that exist or at least know enough about them to understand comparisons to them. If you don't, you're not really worth talking to. Not about videogames at least. The same applies to movies, music, etc.

>>387950082
Magazines, newspapers, and journals often publish authors with differing points of view, anon.

>>387959252
>>>/pol/

>>387947961

For me, Souls-like need to has the following:

>Progression heavily based on combat
>Ability to build and customize playstyle in a multitude of ways
>Dying repeatedly punishes the player

But a lot of times it just means "Lots of bullshit deaths and you can dodge roll."

>>387959267
Gradius is the soulslike of shooting games

>>387949795
Not everyone is into dark fantasy medievalesque games with absolutely no music outside of boss fights. Don't think your general dudebro would care even if those games were easy.

>>387959515
This. Nioh is most definitely a "Soulsborne" or "Soulslike" but Slime Rancher most certainly isn't.

>>387960632
I always though souls-like meant an edgy poorly explained grimsad atmosphere

The term "Souls-like" to these normies means "any game where you have to think instead of let the game play it for you".

>>387958431
More like Rick and Morty is the Dark Souls of western cartoons.

>>387947625
>the souls-like label needs to die
THEN STOP TRYING TO EMULATE DARK SOULS
IS THAT SIMPLE.

>souls-like
>dark souls of
How to spot someone with zero understanding of video games.

>>387953673
/ic/ obviously

rogue-like is a term tho?????

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I see what u did there

>>387952470

I honestly don't remember that in Nier, I thought it was just however much you had picked up since your last save.

godbless you Crash Bandicoot for bringing this into the light

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>>387947625
>Dark Souls is the first souls game

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>>387962971
holy shit

>>387962308
This
And im haven't even playd any of them..

>>387962971
THE DARK SOULS OF PERSONA

>>387962971
oh my goodness

>>387947961

The most succinct way to convey a game is difficult is to say the game is difficult. It doesn't get any clearer than that.

>>387963713
No because you don't know what the writer considers difficult, so it's best to use comparisons.

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>>387962971
>Dark Souls of fantasy RPGs
How can someone be so fucking retarded

>>387963867

I know what the writer considers difficult so long as he mentions the title of the game.

"I think Supet Mario Bros 2 is difficult". He doesn't need to say "I think Suprt Mario Bros 2 is the Dark Souls of platformers".

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>>387964191
>I know what the writer considers difficult so long as he mentions the title of the game. "I think Supet Mario Bros 2 is difficult"

You said that simply saying that something is difficult was clear enough. The author can compare a game's difficulty to Mario 2 and that way you can get a clear picture of what the game's difficulty is like.

>>387962414
90s ironic cynicism doesn't hold up in general

>>387964620
it doesn't but the game still holds up great. Although I prefer the Sega CD version

Gaming journalism is the Mass Effect Andromeda of career paths.

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>tfw you will never have taste as terrible as a journalist

>>387958915
Yes, which is why you sometimes see "rogue-lite" being thrown around instead.

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>>387962971
>SMT: DaS of Persona games
>DaS isn't even the DaS of aRPG's

The reason why "souls-like" doesn't make sense as a descriptor is that Dark Souls actually did very little new. It just did it better. The basic concepts behind the souls series are all very generic. Souls doesn't get to own old, basic adventure game designs just because it was popular.

>>387947625
"Souls-like" isn't a problem. The real problem is calling a game the "Dark Souls of X".

>>387950840
Was Halo the first fps to have health that recovers after not taking damage for a while? I feel like I didn't see that until Halo...

>>387947625
Boy I sure do love gatekeeping by niggers with a blog

Stop telling me what to call my games

>>387948402
kek wtf?

Don't these retarded normies realize Skyrim, the most casual of TES games that these same casuals loved had a stamina bar? So why is Souls getting all this damn credit? One hundred years in the future you are going to have people saying that Dark Souls was the first game ever to have stats and medieval type weaponry in a game with how stupid people are getting.

>>387949795
*roll *roll poke, *roll *roll poke

I suspected this shit when Demon's Souls came out and never touched the series, but I absolutely love the art style.