why is it so hard to articulate why this game is disliked

>>387937545
it long overstays its welcome

Colored bananas
That made me shut down the game immediately when I emulated it

>>387937545
It's not.
>Slow movement
>Tedius collecting
>Only certain kongs can pick up certain bananas even if they're lying on the ground, in reach.
>Desolate environments

>>387937545
This is one of my favourite games ever. I can't understand why they never tried again and perfected the formula.

It manages to look worse than Mario 64, not by pixel count but simple appeal to the eye.

Also collecting things kinda got out of hand in this one.

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>mfw I haven't even gotten diddy yet and I'm already stuck

Where's the third coconut switch door?

Also am I retarded?

>>387937961
It's so drab and dreary, but I can't for the life of me explain how

I think it gets too much hate, but yeah the main issue is that there's actually too much spread across five different characters.

Also some of the mini-games were infuriating. Beaver Bother.

>tedious collecting due to repeated backtracking to Kong barrels
>majority of worlds are full of flat, empty corridors leading to the open areas where all the Kong-specific shit is sprinkled around
>majority of Golden Bananas locked behind minigames that the game repeatedly recycles
>new Kong abilities are literally just glorified switch hitters
>your reward for collecting everything is a cringe-worthy "blooper" reel
The only things it did right were the music and level atmosphere.

http://archive.is/9fSzj

>>387937545
Main problem is having to switch characters all the time to pick up things.

The Banjo games are better collect-a-thons.

>>387938037
>am I retarded
Was it ever implied you werent? I didnt mean to confise you anon.

It's a chore to play, even worse than other collectathons.

Saying a game has too MUCH content tends to raise eyebrows.

But it's kind of justified in DK64's case... kind of.

I really like this game and I never feel like it's a chore

>>387938037
In all honesty, I can sort of understand this since the draw distance for the switches is really low. You won't even see them until you get within a certain distance.
There is one switch above the slope on the right side of where you came from, I believe. There's another above a path leading to the mines, across the water. I think it's also on the right side of the area, across the water.

>>387938779
DK64 doesn't really have that much content though
It has a lot of content locks

>>387937545
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txRBHfCc0uU

>>387938957
Funny thing is how the low draw distance is even a fucking game mechanic.
You need to use the Sniper scope to view and hit some switches later on because otherwise the shot disappears into thin air

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>>387937545

>>387938247
basically all of this plus most of the golden banana quests were just flying through rings or racing someone. It's very much like Nuts and Bolts in terms of actual objectives.

It also lacked the charm of Banjo, the only memorable character from the game aside from HE is Chunky.

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This game gets much better when you replay it, knowing what to do and being familiar with the locations makes it really fun to play.
I would also say some of the glitches (OoB swimming, skid jump, moonkick/tail, orange boost/clip, etc..) helps with the game's flow (like getting early camera/shockwave and early crystal caves unlocking most of the powerups and upgrades).
It's repetitive? Yeah, a lot, but I still enjoy it.
and I liked it more than Banjo-Tooie

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>>387940441
Is this hacked? Or is this an actual screenshot of the game?
>Blue guy must be killed by Donkey Kong
>Purple banana has to be collected by Lanky
>Triangle has to be activated by Chunky
For fuck's sake. That's three times you need to visit this one small platform.

>>387937545
There's too many god damn things to collect and it's not fun playing the same levels five times to collect all of those god damn things because they require specific characters to be collected.
There, that was easy as piss. Good for the time but I don't think it holds up too well. At least it'll always have that world record for most collectables in a video game.

>>387941164
Actually, that guy has to be killed by Diddy, Donkey is yellow

So 4 trips for that guy

>>387938779
There's a difference between "a lot of content" and "a lot of padding"; DK64 has a lot of padding and an average amount of content.

>>387937545
I actually 101% this game as a kid. Twice.

>>387938114
It's Banjo-Kazooie without any of the charm and life.

>>387941164
the entire game is like this though. you don't notice early on because each character's shit doesn't appear until you unlock them (aside from the color coded enemies)
actually i might be remembering wrong

>>387941568
so you spent all 18 years playing dk64?

>>387937961
>>387938114
This, it's so desolate sometimes it goes straight into uncanny valley.

>>387941878
is not that long

>>387938114
The textures are really saturated but they often have dark patches or patterns. Combine that with poor lighting with the large empty hallways/fields in every level and you've got a really bland looking game.

>>387941878
Nope I also 100% Banjo Kazooie, Banjo Tooie, Ocarina of Time, and Majora's Mask. Banjo Kazooie was also twice.

>>387941959
no, you just need to do everything 5 times

>>387942058
100%ing B-K is a few hours of effort

B-T is another story. and if it's a story, DK664 is a fucking library

>>387937545
It has no style

>>387938957
I remember in Banjo Kazooie I looked forever for the move in the desert level because I couldn't see it due to the very low draw distance. You'd think they would put a greater draw distance for important collectible like red coins and stars in SM64 but nooo.

>>387942180
You're overblowing it.
DK64 takes 20 to 30 to fully 101%

>>387942180
I had a lot of free time as a kid.

>>387937545
A lot of dark areas that just tire the average person and the whole collectible mess.

>>387942290
*20 to 30 hours

>>387942290
when you know where everything is already, yes

>>387942242
it has no grace

>>387937545
It has far too much collecting and not nearly enough actual platforming. There.

>>387942416
Knowing everything takes 15 hours or less.
Even less with some skip glitches

>>387942441
THIS GAME IS A FUCKING DISGRACE

DK64 is my favorite game of all time and everyone in this thread is shitting on it.
At least say something good about the game to make up for it.

>>387937545
I hated this game because I'm color blind and couldn't tell between some of the kongs' collectible color, I think those were yellow and green and blue and purple.

>>387942582
it has a fucking asston of character and it's absolutely enormous which was a rather big deal when it came out

Wowowowo

>>387942582
It made a lot of people realize how inherently shitty collectathons are

Why hasn't someone made a ROM hack that lets you switch between characters with the press of a button?

>>387939503
He has a funny face

>>387937545
The 3d collectathon genre died for a reason

>>387942919
Because DK64's code is an absolute mess

>>387942919
>emulating DK64

nice meme

>>387942582
Donkey Kong 64 actually shouldn't need the memory expansion pack, but Rare programmed it so poorly it kept crashing without it so they had to force it. Sorry.

>>387942919
There is no saving it, anon. When you bring up things like ''Why don't we just..'' it only leads down a slippery slope.
>Why don't we get rid of colour coded bananas
>Why don't we get rid of Kong specific buttons?
>Why don't we get rid of weapon specific balloons?

>>387942919
n64 romhacking is kinda tough depending on the game
DK64 barely emulates in a playable fashion

>>387943138
Why don't we get rid of the game?

>>387937796
I feel like the only reason they did the forced Kong collectibles thing is because there's pretty much no reason to ever play somebody like Chunky if nothing is unique to him. If I had my choice as a kid I would have basically never played as DK or Chunky and mostly been Diddy and Lanky.

>>387943138
But in every single DKC game you just press select to switch between the kongs. It makes no sense why you have to go back to the barrel in DK64.

>>387942582
It's got a ton of kongtent.

>>387943248
allowing you to go through levels with whoever and occasionally use a character specific power would be fine, as well as the forced characters for bosses

>>387943006
It emulates well actually, asides from the occasionnal polygon going apeshit for a second.

>>387943006
>>387943207
DK64 is fully playable to 101% completion tho.
mupen64 is actually better than pj64 for that and it doesn't suffer from level reseting or polygonal tearing, hell it even emulates the lag so the minigames don't async like the Kong shooting gallery.

My only problem is sloppy controls and slippery movement. Banjo 1 controlled way better. Other than that I don't care that it's a collect-a-thon, but the bad controls makes collecting stuff a chore.

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>>387942798
Yes, even though some others came out after it, it is considered by many the last of its genera.

I would call it a pure collectathon since collection is still a thing in games, just integrated into the gameplay and not the main elements.

>>387943546
The shooting mini-games are fucking impossible on Wii-U unless you cheat and pause the game to see where to aim

>>387943404
>>387943546
but compared to the rest of the N64 library that's shit. most games run perfectly fine and have for years, DK64 is only just caught up and it still visually bugs out

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>>387943006
>>387943207
When will this meme stop. DO NOT USE JABO'S PLUGIN.

>>387943273
You miss the point. The entirety of DK64 is meaningless padding for the sake of padding. If you removed the padding it would no longer be DK64.

>>387943569
There is something about DK64's controls that I can't put my finger on. It's as if DK is too sensitive, yet too stiff at the same time.
It's most apparent when you're standing still and moving the stick left and right, or in the opposite direction you're facing. It feels so weird and janky, but I can never put it into words. Banjo has a similar problem, but it's nowhere near as bad.

>>387943901
/thread

>>387943728
That's why I honestly say that the vc release should be avoided, it also has worse controls.
Either mupen64 or buy the game, it isn't that expensive in comparison to other n64 games.

>>387943901
it's not padding if there's already a shit ton of content in the game and the levels are huge. It's just tedium at that point.

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For what its worth I've been enjoying it this past week.

>>387943945
it uses the same movement style as banjo except the character models are way bigger, not upright, and thus have a way bigger amount of real estate beneath them. turning before moving becomes janky and knowing when you're on solid ground or not is also rather screwy

>>387944090
Look at it like this, you can switch at any point at any time. Now what? You pause to switch to Donkey to grab 5 yellow bananas, Diddy to hit the stupid balloon, Tiny to hit the other stupid purple balloon, Lanky to beat up the blue alligator dude, and then Chunky to hit the switch all at the area. You see what I mean now? Being able to switch at any time would just make the game's flaws THAT much more noticeable.

I tricked someone into beating this 101% on every available save slot (I think that's four times) by telling them there was more content unlocked afterwards and they actually did it

>>387943895
Better yet stop using PJ64 period, it's just not a good emulator. Use mupen instead.

>Here's a massive slew of abilities!
>Defeat these bosses by throwing barrels.

>>387943901
This. I liked the game as a kid and even 100%'d it. I've tried to play it again in recent days and I can't even make it past the first level without getting sick of the boring level design and meaningless padding.

I don't know how kid me put up with it. It's just not a good game.

>>387946071
At the very least King K. Rool, and to a certain extent Mad Jack and Dogadon (with Chunky) actually tried to utilize the Kongs' unique skills.

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Fuck this area
>only gives you 5 cannonballs
>out of nowhere gives the projectiles dropping physics after never doing it with any other projectile

No Dixie.

>>387946252
>King K. Rool will never be playable in Smash
>King K. Rool will never be in another video game

I remember going for 101% as a kid and not being able to get it due to that glitch with the banana coins in the final level
I used to play it every year but that made me so mad that I haven't played it since