Is Souls a genre?

It is a meme of the games journalism industry

>>387925397
lol "souls-like" is so fucking stupid.

No.

Why do they keep peddling Souls-like games? Bloodborne didn't see very good.

>>387925397
So is it a FPS or a TPS?

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>souls inspired shooter
>looks like your generic western tps

How the fuck can an FPS even be like dark souls? That doesn't even make sense. Is it just an action shooter like Vanquish?

>>387925397
>Souls inspired
>inspired

One more time for you moron,

>INSPIRED

Dark souls is probably the best series of the last decade, of course devs will be inspired by it don't be stupid.

>>387925903
I guess it the souls-like is more about the world and not the gameplay. Don't see how they could do the typical combat with an FPS or just bloodborne guns only edition.

S O U L S L I K E

>>387925397

what the hell does a "souls-like shooter" even mean? so an RPG shooter like borderlands with level ups and gun stats and shit, but with grimdark "hard" bosses?

>>387925749
>My game is inspired by the souls-like genre. My colleagues and I are all avid fans of the genre

>>387926265
Mean to reply to >>387925985

>>387925903
>soul-like FPS
STALKER ?

>>387925903
I'm thinking Too Human, Commando run. Even then its not really souls-like, but souls-like is just a buzz word meant to invoke the visage of a challenging game set in gritty, hostile world.

>>387925985
k marketeer kun, what did Souls ground break that worth "inspiring" from it?

How did normalfags discover or find out about Souls/FromSoft games?

>>387926529
Probably from their autistic roommate in college.

The "-like" meme is going way too far.
t. /rlg/

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>Also, we chose to make it a shooter, with guns.

Holy fucking shit stop the presses I can't believe what I'm reading

>>387926478
Loong currency and runninh back to get it when you die.
Large interconnected levels.
Weaving attacks and dodging while taking heavy damage if you get hit.
Lore and story that's not in your face.

Etc.

>>387926369
>>387926478
Right. I just read the headline the first time, we'll that is pretty fucking lame.

But in terms of how Souls presented it's world and lore was very groundbreaking, it also popularized that sort of action adventure gameplay. From had done something similar before called evergrace and then there was shadow of the colossus but dark souls was a new tier and broke through to a huge audience and was wildly successful.

>>387925397
No. It is Action RPG.

>>387926749
Losing and running* fucking hell

>>387926478
Obfuscated build mechanics, vague half-baked lore, visceral combat with advancing frame timings, fantastic dodge mechanics, difficulty, world design, shit mobs that can stunlock and end you, grimdark fantasy world with "realistic" aspects (armor, movement, weapons), fantastic graphics, great design.

Demon's Souls was a real breakthrough, regardless of your opinion. It was difficult, it was dirty, it was frustrating but at the same time it was incredibly charming and playable. The mechanics were super intuitive and the gameplay was novel, things were smooth and yet rough.

>Yep, guns! Take aim and shoot down your foes, as they try to do the same in thrilling close- to medium range encounters. It’s far from a reflex shooter, though. Mobility, attack direction and well timed dodges are crucial for your survival and victory. Expect to get shot down a lot; just like its sources of inspiration, this isn’t an easy game. The satisfaction once you evade an enemy attack to fire a burst of hot lead (or plasma, or acid, etc.) into its backside cortex and watch it die in a fire will make it worth it.

>You are protected by the Monolith; an ancient structure that oversees the flow of the Cosmos. And trust me, this comes very handy at times. It’s mysterious powers will be able to restore you when you die, but (of course) leaving your collected bounty where you were defeated. This lets you learn from every mistake, to come back to the encounter you failed with additional knowledge for your next attempt. This cycle of defeat, pattern recognition, and finally victory is what we believe to be one of the core pillars of the genre.

>>387925397
Yes. Souls is single handedly causing a renaissance of video games where cutscenes, exposition, conrete lore, easy gameplay, mindless skinner box mechanics and other dumb bullshit are frowned upon.
A game not including these fits in the Soulslike genre.

>>387927118
>Immortal’s Cosmos consists of many worlds, some of which you will visit in the game. All worlds are connected via a complex network knows as the Stream. Explore the Stream and its wondrous and deadly worlds on your mission and collect their clues, gear, and rewards to become a weapon strong enough to save the Cosmos.

>So why does it have to be you to save the Cosmos? Well… you’re going to have to find out. The main plot will never be forced upon anyone, at least not in a very large extent. We prefer to make it harder to find out about what has and is happening, and not to be in the way for those that want to get into combat as fast as possible. Once you start digging, there’s going be a lot of untold stories about the world hidden below the surface. The story is written by our excellent narrative team, including Anne Toole (The Witcher) and Adrian Vershinin (Killzone: Shadow Fall, Battlefield: 1). I personally enjoy it a lot, and I hope you will too.

>>387926749
So fuckall? Is Runescape now soulslike because you lose your stuff on death?

>>387927118
>>387927262
As someone who enjoyed The Surge this sounds interesting

>>387927118
>Expect to get shot down a lot; just like its sources of inspiration, this isn’t an easy game.
This is what kills most souls-like. Dark Souls isn't about being hard or difficult. It's challenging but fair. Most devs are too incompetent to balance.
The rest is pretty much just describing Dark Souls. Still, benefit of the doubt. Hopefully it turns out to be good and not Lords of the Fallen.
A bit generic title, though.

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What is the Dark Souls of genres?

>>387927118
>close and medium range combat
I imagine it's more like gun kata style combat then

>>387927720
No, what kills Souls-games (like and otherwise) is that death is arbitrary. You have to play the game and die over and over again until you figure out how not to die.

And quite frankly that shit got *old* in the mid-80s when we were playing games like Temple of Apshai and Telengard.

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>>387928125
>roguelike platformers
Every time.

Is Rick and Morty a genre?

>>387925903
>How the fuck can an FPS even be like dark souls?

It mean's it's hard as balls to the average gamer

Remember doom-clones?

>>387928125
>the dark souls of persona
How will smtbros ever recover?

>>387928550
Yes it's enlightened adult atheist cartoon

>>387928640
who?

>>387925397
Isn't souls just 90's action adventure RPG with fucking tank controls.

>>387928773
it's called VISCERAL COMBAT

>Game: Subtitle
Why do they keep doing this? It never works.

I fail to see how you can be stupid enough not to see why they call some games "souls like".

>>387928856
is this the dark souls of posts?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lx7BWayWu08

Is Dark Souls 2 the Dark Souls of Dark Souls?

>>387926203
>what the hell does a "souls-like shooter" even mean?
Most likely that it will have similar art style and lore.

>>387928773
>tank controls
No, stupid.

>>387925397
Looks like a mix between Too Human/God of War/Furi with souls mechanics.

H Y P E

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>>387928125

>>387926203
Slow paced shooter with big ass guns maybe. Imagine Vanquish just slower.

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>>387925397
Remember how back in the 90's every FPS that came out after Doom was known as a "Doom clone"? I think that's what's happening with "Souls-like"; if enough games keep getting made in that style, eventually someone will coin a better term for it and it'll become its own genre.

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>>387928832
>Generic name: Generic subtitle
I have no idea. I guess they looked at Dark Souls and said, main character is....undead...aka immortal! Done. And he breaks the cycle...bound...chain! Unchained!
Writing for video games is easy.

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Why does everyone think Dark Souls made an entire genre? Its nothing new.

You guys remember when people shit on let it die for wanting to "pander to the souls audience" or something like that? It's gone too far.

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>>387929414
Or it'll be a metroidvania situation. So soulsborne.

>>387925397
Yes but only because western developers are uncappable to understand why did the "souls" series worked and resonated so well with it's audience,intead they just call anything that is designed to be difficult for the sake of being difficult "souls like".

Ironically Miyazaki himself said difficulty was never the point of the series.

>>387925812
easy access for
>easy access
hotcha

>>387929419
Most games have generic as fuck names though

>>387929414
That's true, but it's a stretch to call a futuristic shooter game a "souls-inspired game"

>>387925397
An FPS is an FPS. Not an ARPG. It can only be more CoD inspired than DaS.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3d1nvKeTnU

>>387929414
Reflexive ARPG

>>387929512
So what resonated with the fans? I need to know for my research.

>>387929487
>everyone
retarded game journalists*

>>387926529
I remember FromSoft from back in the original playstation games. Armored Core m8

>>387925812
jesus, that webm is so fucking hot.

>>387929739
There are people here too

>>387929638
Well, if it's centered around positioning, stamina management and all that stuff that makes Souls gameplay "Souls-y" then I think its apt to call it "Souls inspired", regardless of settings or weapons.

>>387929668
I thought it was third person

>>387926529
meme youtube videos

>>387925397
why do people make CGI trailers to introduce new IPs

>>387929837
Not to mention there's bonfires(monoliths) in the game and you lose currency by dying, which you can retrieve.

>>387928125
>SMTIV The Dark Souls of Persona games
Gets me every fucking time.
The ignorance is astounding.

>>387929920
More exciting

>>387929920
Because the game probably doesn't exist yet.

They are probably in the Asset development phase

>>387925397
You know they do this on purpose so faggots like you can make shitty threads bitching about it, and they get more attention.

>>387928125
I thought Dark Souls was the Dark Souls of fantasy RPGs.

>>387930087
Then don't announce it yet.

>>387928125
>of fantasy RPGs

>>387925397
Why in the fuck do people name games like this?

>Beyond: Two Souls
>Hellblade: Senua's Sacrifice

Just random fucking words that have no meaning all cobbled together as if they're an entry in some long standing series, when they're actually the first game in the series released.

>>387926749
None of these are signature of Souls games. Especially:
>Weaving attacks and dodging while taking heavy damage if you get hit.
Every action games does this.
>Lore and story that's not in your face.
Because Souls games barely even have a story. There's an opening cinematic to set the world and then the majority of everything else is useless fluff.

>>387930205
ok anon when i make a game i promise you i won't spent 1 million bucks in a CGI trailer

>>387929785
Is it dark souls of webms?

>>387930205
Why not? As you can see, it clearly creates discussion.

>>387930326
No, the Dark Souls mention is what brought discussion. >>387930092

>>387930280
They have to because every name you could come up with is pretty much copyright protected so instead of making "Snow Curse" and getting sued to hell & back they go with "Snow Curse: Ur a Faget".

>>387930280
>Souls games barely have a story
I think The Surge this much better. You find audio logs and information which slowly unravels what the hell is going on.

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>>387925903
It just reminds me of pic related whenever I see a "Souls inspired" game

>>387925812
girls just can't hang

>>387930785
Its not a fucking Persona game

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>>387925397
No its an atmosphere. All souls games are Metroidvanias at heart they just take a diffrent tone from their brethren.

>>387931058
That isn't true at all. Very seldomly will there be backtracking, and only occasionally will an item do ANYTHING in earlier areas. Everything in every area is available most of the time

>>387931058
"Souls" mostly refers to stamina management, character positioning, timing, character progression, etc. So yeah you could make an argument that it's its own genre, or at least it's becoming one.

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>>387931058
>All souls games are Metroidvanias at heart

And all Metroidvanias are Undervanias at heart. Metroidvania even stole the "vania" part from Megalovania (the song during the Sans fight).

>>387925397
It can be if 'metroidvania' is a genre.

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>>387931440

>>387930785
There is so much thing wrong in this picture

>>387931591
it's like a carefully crafted bait, every aspect of it is carefully designed to trigger you

>>387931523
And roguelike. The names might be stupid, but it's clear that they are an undergenre.

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>>387931429
>"Souls" mostly refers to stamina management, character positioning, timing, character progression, etc.
>So yeah you could make an argument that it's its own genre, or at least it's becoming one.

Step aside.
Stop playing MHlites and start playing the real deal.

>>387925985
>Dark souls is probably the best series of the last decade, of course devs will be inspired by it don't be stupid.

can't believe there are people who believe this on the board, what a fucking rut gaming is in that people think Dark Souls is a significant series

>>387932191
Thing is, MH might've done it first but it didn't popularize it. The same way Wolfenstein 3D preceded Doom, yet Doom was the one to popularize the genre.

>>387932194
Name your favorite series.

>>387932493
name your favorite series

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>>387925397
I hope there's a lot of weight behind the guns and you can fire parts off the enemies.

>>387932549
You are the one making bold claims, back them up.

>>387932748
>Dark souls is probably the best series of the last decade
I don't see any bolder claims then this

>>387932823
I see one just as bold.
>that people think Dark Souls is a significant series

>>387932897
so why don't you back up your claims first then

>>387932949
That wasn't my claim.

>>387929693
>tfw this only gets more relevant by the day

>>387933060
oh really, then that also wasn't my claim

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>>387925397
>Souls Shooter

>>387933129
Okay then. One day I'll find someone who can articulate their ideas on why a perfectly solid series is irrelevant. Besides the kneejerk reaction to fanboys, that is.

>delusional soulsfags think dark souls created subtle story-telling and large levels
God damn you guys are fucking pathetic.

>>387925812
>I'll never rape a drunk girl

;_;

>>387925397
>a shooter that resets you back to a certain point and respawns all the enemies every time you die
Woah. They literally re-invented checkpoints and save games.

>>387933829
Kinda sad how in Super Mario Bros. they were too cheap to implement bonfires so they just split up the world into levels but the enemies still respawn if you die.

>>387930637
>Audio logs slowly reveal to you that you wasted your money on a shitty game.
>Last log is just a recording of the devs laughing.

>>387926529
>He didn't play chromehounds
You missed out.

>>387934020
But the game is great

>>387934997
Oh my bad. Going to buy it now.

>>387925397
You need to understandd that articles like that are targetting normies and meme/youtubers consumers and not traditional players.

>A new action game with some RPG elements
>meh, thats boring
>A New Game That Looks Like Dark Souls
>wow! sounds awesome! I never played DS but I watched faggot23._ videos and it looks funny!

>>387925397
Is Dark Souls one of the worst things to happen to video games?

Fuckin magic fags with their autohoming crap.

>>387935741
If not for them calling it "souls like", no one would have found it interesting.

>>387925397
The Dark Souls fanbase is to blame for this

If they didn't circlejerk their boring game everyday forever then this wouldn't have happened

>>387936478
I'm sure no one finds it interesting still.

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>>387925812
>the guy move his beer from being spilled rather than helping catch her

>>387925397
it is

it is a way to call slow and clunky games with terrible hitboxes

nothing souls did was unique enough to need a new name for it
you could easily just say its a fps with a deep atmosphere and large complex open world or whatever the fuck aspect they are ripping from souls
comparing it to souls just show how much of a shameless cash grab it is

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>>387928125
>SMT4 is the dark souls of Persona

>>387936905
Single player invasions, messages and bloodstains are pretty unique. Incidentally, all "Souls-likes" miss those aspects.

>>387937062
ill give you the first two but souls didn't invent corpses runs

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>>387925397
Dark Souls is an improvement on the ARPG genre defined by Diablo 2.
It still has endless replay-ability, rare loot and multiplayer but with combat and gameplay that's actually interesting. Tedious random loot management replaced with a crafting system to improve generic gear.

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>>387931440

>>387937121
Fine, ghosts then.

no gameplay and some weird 3d cg animated shit is always a bad sign

It's metroid-vania

>5 mainline souls games
>like 40 ripoffs
>"Hurr souls isn't a genre"
How fucking stupid can people be.
Sorry your super-sekrit hardcore franchise fell into the hands of casual normies.
Just kidding, you are the casual normies, stop playing this trash.

>>387937215
>Souls is an improvement on Diablo 2

Reddit

>>387928125
I actually love super hexagon, but if anyone would say its the "dark souls" of its genre I would immediately disown them

>>387928125
>Dark souls of runner games

What the fuck are runner games except for Bit.Trip? I swear to god they made this shit up.

>>387937553
Temple Runner or whatever that meme game was called?

>souls-like games
>none of them actually play like souls
It just proves how these game "journalists" don't actually play video games

>>387925903
Playing assault in Red Orchestra comes pretty close in death to kill ratio.

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>Western game
>Souls-like

into el cacca bin it goes!

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lets trigger /v/ :D

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Is Taco Johns the Dark Souls of fast food?

>>387931440
This is a good image.

>>387928125
The fact is Dark Souls gets easier as you progress and over come challenges. All of those games are missing the point.

>>387931263
>and only occasionally will an item do ANYTHING in earlier areas

Dark Souls 1 has this a lot, especially in the first half

there's also a lot of backtracking in the first half

>>387938885
>there's also a lot of backtracking in the first half
Unless you use a walk through and go to all the right places in order

>>387928420
>dickrad
woah

>>387929501
Soulsborne is way worse than Souls-like

>>387929414
Not as annoying as when they called all MMOs WoW clones. WoW wasn't even close to being the first trinity based MMO. They're just pandering to a large audience.

>>387938303
yes

>>387927480
>like shit
>interested in a fat log down your throat

surprising...

>>387939509
I blame Vaati for this fagotry.

This is actually making me mad. Stop to stop browsing I guess.

>>387933820
why not?

soulslike is indeed a genre

and anybody insisting on ARPG is retarded as fuck

you know what's ARPG? mass effect

>>387940513
>you know what's ARPG? mass effect
And so is Dark Souls

>>387940775
mass effect and kingdom hearts have more in common than souls to any of those

>>387940775
Dark Souls = Soulslike ARPG, sweetie.

>>387940829
You have Slasher Horror and you have Psychological Horror. They're still both Horror genre.

Diablo 2 is a hack and slash ARPG.
Masseffect is a cover shooter ARPG.

Dark Souls is a technical ARPG

>>387937493
Is Doom a genre, you fucking idiot?

>>387941687
and mario is a collectathon sidescroller platformer and metroid is exploration fighting sidescroller platformer

>>387941907
Doom spawned a list of games which were referred to as "doom-clones" at the time, which eventually morphed into FPS. "Doom" isn't a genre, but it did create one.

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>souls is a genre
Am I being trolled right now?

>>387932610
Why is his hair so shit?

>>387925397
Any game with ''unchained'' in their tittle is shit. This has been proven by history.

>>387925903
just means that a normie will die in it, somehow relating it to dark souls

>>387942392
Other pics show him completely bald

>>387942392
That's a woman.

>>387942689
In that picture he looks like he was bald then they put some dumb shit on his head
>>387942727 nope I don't believe it

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>>387925397
>Game is hard so it's souls like
Fuck this meme.
Souls-like is a sub genre to further funnel down, or categorize the style of a game.
>Action adventure game
>RPG based leveling up, and combat elements
>High death punishment, usually resulting in the permanent or temporary lost of exp.
Souls games aren't even that hard unless you gimp yourself.

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>>387925397

>remove every difficulty except ultra hard
>a genre

Gotta give it to those developers, they really hit the easiest gold mine in gaming history.

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>stamina bar
>weapon durability

LOOK AT THIS SOULS GAME

>>387925397
Souls has become synonymous with being an actual game and not a movie shooter.

>>387943320
This game was bad

>>387943445
It was OK. Better than DS1 at least. Shame you only got the other marines by being bad.

>>387925397
>bald straight white man protagonist
Western video games are so shit.

>>387943674
Nothing conceptual wrong with that

>>387943674
Kys weeb

>>387944421
Where do you live kid? I will fuck you up.

>>387944640
Your plastic katana will shatter upon my skin you fat little shit. Then I'll fucking crush your skull and piss on your corpse.

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>>387943674

>>387943673
Would have been great with an extra mode that allowed you to start with marines you found.

what part of this is souls-like

>>387943674
>le white people suck >:(

Souls is a genre the same way metroidvania is a genre.

No, Patrick, bland gameplay with tight mechanics is not a genre.

>>387925397
>make game with a decent combat in a sea of games with shitty combat
>it becomes a new genre

It happened to Doom and its happening now

>>387929067
No, Dark Souls 2 is the Demon's Souls of Bloodborne.

>>387947947
wut

>>387949294
I think he means that Dark Souls 2 came before Bloodborne like how Demon's Souls came before Dark Souls.

>>387925397
>Is Souls a genre?
naw just that lowest common denominator nerds to dumb to come up with actual informative shit to say that they write and use souls as genre to easily communicate with other lowest common denominator nerds who make up the majority of their clicks and views.

So stupid people pandering to other stupid people got to dumb down explanations as much as possible since they to stupid to be able to describe and review shit without references to shit almost everyone will understand.