Persona

One sealed humanity's wish for death, the other its wish for god and went to the beach.

They are both stronger then Yu at the very least.

>>387809005
Messiah= Christ

Sataneal= The older brother of Christ before he fell.

I'd say they are equal

>>387808882

No way. Joker doesnt even have a universe persona

>these fucking arms
How horrifying.

>>387808882
P3 protagonist is the only one with the Universe arcana so he's the strongest.

Door-kun is fucking dead so he's the weakest

>>387809342
Except Christ was a man and Satanael was basically the next best thing to God

>>387809342
anon, that's not how it works
personas are just personas, they represent concepts not powerlevels
your new favorite protagonist is nowhere close to MC's level

>>387809342
Fuck outta here with this gnostic heresy

>>387810956
Contradicting yourself in one sentence takes skill

>>387808882
universe arcana, bitch

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Door is probably the strongest if you factor in that he has the same ridiculous power level but instead of having the help of all of Tokyo he had the help of the world's worst group of friends.

>>387811138
Sataneal was literally second to God himself bro

>MC dies to seal a god
>Joker one shots a god and goes back home

Lol

>>387811145
>MC dies to seal a god
Erebus isnt a god, it just represents all of people longing for death, it literally cannot be defeated because if you do defeat, it will just come back with time because people will always long for death. He put an end to a infinite cycle but cutting out the middle man
also universe arcana,

Who's the strongest Persona user support wise then?

>>387811315
Two things.

One, Door could've killed Nyx. That wasn't the point. The point was that if just straight up eliminated the concept of Death then everything would be fucked over ten times.

Second, the Demiurge/Yaldaboth isn't supposed to be God. He's a delusional being who's convinced he's the Christian deity, but in reality all of his power comes from his hot mom Sophia.

Satanael realized "oh wait this dude I'm hanging out with definitely isn't God" and then he fought against him because of that. Which is basically P5's plot if you replace Igor with God and Satanael with Joker.

>>387808882
All are equal beneath Tatsuya and ZA WARUDO

>>387811654
You mean Navigators? Fuuka. She can summon in the real world without an Evoker, and is an actual literal genius.

>>387811654
If Futaba has access to all of her powers then her

>>387811728
>She can summon in the real world without an Evoker
So could everyone before P3, and they weren't limited to clear roles back then.

>>387811886
That was with the assistance of Philemon.

>>387811728
>and is an actual literal genius.
This must be the legendary retard that always posts that he fell in love with fuuka

>>387811654
Fuuka can
>summon her persona without an evoker
>can scan the whole city
>can influence the TV world without even having to go inside
>can disrupt mental control

>>387811941
But he's not wrong, Fuuka's an honor student when you meet her, she builds her own high quality headphones from spare parts and goes on to become an engineer.

>>387811941
No because then I would've sounded all sweet and kind.

Cunt.

>>387811886
>So could everyone before P3
Only if you became Philemon's buttplug.

>>387808882
Atlus has gone on record saying the Universe =/= the World. So unless they have the same power, MC is most likely stronger.

>>387812131
Joker haven't even use World yet. We need to wait for spinoff/sequel for his full power

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>>387812127
>>387811931
It works. Anybody could play the game too.

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Official MC power rankings go!
Door (universe) > Tatsuya = Maya > P1 > Aigis > Joker = Narukami

With Joker and Narukami, I factored in the fact that Narukami drew strength from only his small group of friends, while Joker drew strength from all of Tokyo (which includes Narukami) and the Seven Sins of The Demiurge

>>387812416
*Persona game

>>387812334
On the other hand, he now lacks the Sinful Shell and his influence over Tokyo.

>>387812416
The point is that they did it with assistance, Fuuka straight up did it with the power of.... unidentified voice acting?

>>387812589
In arena it's said that to summon without an evoker you need strong focus and willpower.
So I guess that means Fuuka has a lot of mental fortitude

>One shots a god without even using the World arcana

>Not the strongest

>>387812589
Satanael alone is already broken tier. If Joker fuse him with World like Yu did with Izanagi we'll get elder god tier persona

The argument that he's stronger because he has the Universe arcana is stupid, because it's not like he also has the World arcana.

He kills himself to seal a shit-tier demon concept (Erebus) from touching Nyx. Doesn't even wipe Erebus out of existence, much less actually do anything with Nyx itself.

Meanwhile Yu's use of the World actually wipes Izanami and her concept out of existence, and Joker's does the same to Yaldabaoth.

>>387812880
He doesn't wipe yabadabadoo, he still exists as a cup

>>387812880
>wipes Izanami and her concept out of existence
Maybe you should replay P4 again.

>>387812880
Erebus is an unkillable concept that will always come back the more people wish for it.

And Door dies because P3 is grimdark and that's about the only reason. If they knew that scoody-doo adventures sells he would be still alive.

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>>387808882
Probably but that doesn't matter. What does matter is the safety of these grown women from Joker the cakehunter

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>>387808882
Joker would beat him in fist fight

>>387813265
>the women Door already fucked

lol used trash

>>387812839
Satanael itself isn't that broken, it's the Sinful Shell that's fucking broken. And that's an attack that only works on the Demiurge to due its nature.

>>387813265
I can see Joker spittin some fly shit to Mitsuru

>>387813265
P3 is the only school-sim persona that let's you fuck every girl unlike the beta herbivore followups.

>>387813478
Satanael is more powerfull than yaldy who could beat Igor and VR attendant with ease.

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>>387813346
Size doesn't matter.

>>387813701
>Sinful Shell

Also considering Igor is going to be dead next game and Lavenza is like, five, I don't think they were at their full power.

>>387813793
Did he kill him?

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>>387813793
But Joker exceed him in both size and skill

>>387813701
Igor should've called Elizabeth to take out the trash.

>>387813701

And The Universe is more powerful than the literal embodiment of death and destruction.

>>387813793
That nigga dead

>>387813974
Door-kun at least isn't remote controlled by a shitty cat.

>>387812880
Erebus is the human subsconsious. If he kills Erebus, he's going full law and removing free will. You really think that's a good idea, buddy?

>>387808882
P3MC > P5MC > P1MC > Tatusya > P4MC > Maya

>>387811625
Nyx is kinda weird, but it's effectively the force of death. The analogy I like is that it's like P3MC fought gravity and won.

>>387808882
They literally have the same powers, as does Yu
Makoto's just got a deeper grasp of the universe than the others which is how he achieved what he did and why accepted his face

>>387813970
>>387814109
Either that or a serious concussion.

>>387814193
>Mister "too autistic to forget" stronger than "gets shit done" Maya

When are we getting Persona 4 2

>>387814306
Door is literally the messiah, saying 'they all da saem because muh wild card' is bullshit.

They all have the potential to grow into whatever they want, and Door clearly accomplishes the most at the highest cost.

>>387814306
This, basically.

The only time they MCs don't have the same power levels are if they're Aigis (who can jump ten feet onto a plane without a Persona) or if they get their power from an outside source (SEES, IT, Tokyo) and those are temporary power boosts.

Persona power levels have always been nonsensical because the lore itself is nonsensical.

>>387814380
Hmm, good point.

I'd probably swap Tatsuya and Maya around then. Then again, are we considering optional bosses canon? Cause if so, P2 cast fought fucking Philemon AND Nyarly and won against both.

The most powerful shit Yu Narukami fought was probably Margaret. Margaret's undoubtedly more powerful than Elizabeth who can 1shot Erebus, so does that make Yu Narukami more powerful than we thought?

>>387814193
Tatsuya ruins everything possible

>>387814398
Bruh, we got Persona 4 2: Fightan, Persona 4 3: Fightan 2, and Persona 4 4: Electric Boogaloo.

Enough fucking Persona 4

>>387814163
He is controlled by voices in his head which tells him when he should go to sleep though

>>387814546
Nyarlythotep > Philemon > Igor > Margaret > Elizabeth > Lavenza > Theodore > Marie.

>>387814178
>>387812880

I still fucking hate Erebus as a concept. They needed an alternative to the Nyx Avatar and then came up with some overdeveloped bullshit instead of literally just "it's Nyx Avatar but without Ryoji (i.e. protag's influence)"

>It's the embodiment of humanity's collective will to die!
Except that's what NA was
>MC died to seal it off from Nyx!
Great, so you retroactively ruin his Miracle
>It will keep reforming as long as people keep wishing for death!
So why doesn't Nyx Avatar come back like that?

The Answer could have been a great 2 hour epilogue if everyone stayed the same level, none of the plothole-riddled flashbacks happened and they made a better final boss. But nope.

>>387814546
Yu canonically fought Margaret with help from his whole party because even if you go solo cutscene before and after the fight shows his whole gang behind him

>>387814767
P3's original end was fucking perfect, we all know it.

The only reason the Answer had anything worthwhile at all was because Junpei continued to be the best written character in the series, and Yukari began to have some interesting parallels to her mother.

>>387814748
We don't know a thing about how strong is Lavenza though

>>387814943
Yukari did nothing wrong.

>>387814767
>Except that's what NA was
Nyx Avatar was just a personification of Nyx. Nyx herself was a bunch of prehistoric space moon rocks.

>Great, so you retroactively ruin his Miracle
He sealed off Erebus.

>So why doesn't Nyx Avatar come back like that?
It's kinda complicated and you have to read the data books to get the full picture. Basically Nyx started out as eldritch space rocks that crash landed on the moon. It then emitted killing waves that caused all life on earth to die. However prehistoric means didn't want to die and so they formed the human subsconsious which repelled these waves. This meant that the two forces were locked in an endless battle of life vs death. Whenever Nyx's influence grows too strong, Erebus (a manifestation of the want to die in the human subsconcious) wakes her up and she goes to town. That's what happened in P3.

>>387814306
I never really bought the 'Universe arcana makes MC the strongest' argument, but I'd say hes the strongest since he can use different weapons and he has fusion spells while the others don't.

>>387813172
>>387814178
Bullshit. Izanami and Yaldabaoth are parts of the human subconscious too, and you don't see them needing to be sealed and handled with kiddy gloves. Defeating something's distorted manifestation won't do shit to humanity's will as a whole, unless you want to tell me why society still wants order after Yaldabaoth (who can literally rewrite existence through cognition and overpower the velvet room) is removed.

>>387814748
>No Nanashi, Belladonna or Totally not Kaneko - Demon Artist
Bet you don't even collect tarot cards.

>>387815030
Considering all the Velvet Room helpers are mary sue power creeps, she's probably stronger than the entire universe.

>>387815030
We know that The Twins can fight P5MC with his party and put up a reasonable fight, and the P5 party only fought something maybe a little stronger than Izanami.

>>387814287
No, it's like P3MC stands between a catalyst and a chemical reaction if anything
He did not abolish the concept of death, he put himself between a fire and a massive puddle of oil

He accepted that the world is in a constant cycle of death and rebirth and found his way out of the sophomorish nihilism causing humanity to wish for death ("because nothing matters anyway" or however you wanna put it). Nyx's coming meant an absolute end to all life, stagnation instead of actual change which is what the arcana represents, and he was able to see it for what it was and why it wasn't really all that desirable

>>387815030
Probably gonna fight her in P5R only to find out she the strongest resident

Aigis has wild card and is a killing robot
Futaba can hack her and become the strongest

>>387815081
Got a link to these data books?

>>387815158
You never fight them, so it's impossible to know how powerful they are.

Then again, you never really fight Igor, so he shouldn't be there either.

>>387815340
It's just one and you can find it on tumblr.

>>387815081
That's old regurgitated stuff that's been retconned for ages. It's one Q&A section in a fan anthology book, answered by someone who's not anywhere close to being a lead story guy, before they even created P3:FES, let alone P4 and 5.

Literally the existence of Erebus alone strictly as it pertains to in-game P3:FES retcons 90% of the shit he lists out in that thing.

>>387815179
Yaldy is stronger than Igor though. Also we don't how much weaker are twins compared to Lavenza. It's possible it's not simple A+B=C

>>387815081

Okay, fair point. It's hard to argue about how Erebus is a dumb concept when Nyx was an even dumber concept according to the art books or whatever decided that she was a space-faring world-eater. Headcanon makes P3 so much better, like how >>387815228 puts it.

>>387815472
>That's old regurgitated stuff that's been retconned for ages
Nothing has been retconned though. And it was written by Kazuma Kaneko.

>>387814489
Yes you fucking retard their power literally is having potential, P3MC may be the only to achieve the understanding needed to make use of it but the power they all have is the Wild Card and none of them have any other actual special powers (though if we're counting P5's Confidant bonuses Joker clearly has the advantage in certain areas)

>but his Persona is literally Messiah
Yeah but Personas aren't a manifestation of the actual myth, they're metaphysical manifestations of facets of your personality and in this case Messiah is a metaphysical manifestation of Makoto's messianic sacrifice

New theory: P3's plot is only good because the directors weren't given the budget/scope to do their full expositiony "vision" like P5.

>Ryoji was supposed to spend a full hour explaining how he is nyx but he isn't nyx and also nyx was an eldritch horror except influenced by the collective unconscious
>Pharos was supposed to stop you from doing anything at night
>Every event between January 31st and March 3rd was to be shown in cutscenes

I want a persona character to use a persona from The World. They always get it at the end.

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>>387808882
they only wish they were anywhere near as strong as yu

>>387815978
>what is P1, P2, and P4

>>387815537
I get that you're passive-aggressively calling me a dickhead but that's what I got from the narrative and its themes or rather theme because everything other than death was underdeveloped at best

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>>387816123
Leave Chad to us

>>387815978
I want for Persona to drop the stupid Fool turns into the world concept. It only worked nicely in the context of P3. You didn't need shit like that to beat Nyarlythotep.

>>387815971
P3's plot is only good because the development wasn't shoved into SLs. Seriously, that would be a really, really shitty game.

>>387815978
I'm pretty sure if you fuse Izanagi-no-Okami in NG+ he counts as World arcana

>>387816123
Is he fucking the feMC while walking

>Q: Could you tell me what Nyx really is, bluntly and unpoetically?

>In order to speak about this, we need to take a step back and look at our planet’s prehistory first. In ancient times, there existed a gigantic living being, the size of a celestial body, drifting through outer space in a dormant state. We call such a being a “Star Eater”. At a certain point in time, this being collided with a planet which had only just begun to develop its first forms of life - earth. The chance of this happening was merely one in several Million - no, Billion. In any case, this event can be seen as the first contact between Nyx and earth’s lifeforms.

>Q: So, Nyx was born in extraterrestrial space? It seems miraculous that the planet was not destroyed by this kind of impact.

>Of course, you are correct. The matter Nyx was composed of existed under physical laws which defy those of earth. Even the mere collision alone brought tremendous results with itself. In any case, the debris broken off in the shock of the collision entered earth’s orbit and became our moon. As Nyx’ psyche, which exists in a wave-like state, was left behind on earth, her physical body was enclosed in the moon alongside the debris. However, you see, the psyche was the far more problematic part of this being to begin with.

The waves of Nyx’s psyche, which spread across the planet, stood in harsh contradiction with the life already existing on it and threatened to eliminate said life entirely. Of course, the still very primitive, survival-instinct driven lifeforms of earth made attempts to resist these 'Waves of Death’. As a result of this, the lifeforms of earth entered a period of explosive evolution, and developed coping-strategies to resist Nyx, weapons against her. The crown of this development was a plane of shared information between all living beings on earth, the so-called “Collective Unconscious”.

>>387808882
HE

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>>387816249
>p3's plot
>good

>>387816123
>beaten by Yosuke in fist fight
Go be gay somewhere else

>>387816387
this was retconned tho

>>387816423
It's not a masterpiece and the pacing butchered it, but I could say that about any nu-Persona game.

It has a really well written cast (except for Mitsuru) and that's what these games are about.

>>387816243
Which is kind of silly because the trademark of lovecraftian horrors is that they are so much beyond human comprehension you'll pretty much melt just from thinking about them
His being Nyarly at all is purely a stylistic choice

>>387816537
Not really. Mind explaining where?

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>>387816236
Can't wait for P4DAN 2: Chad Strikes Back. We know Narukami won't let them have the spotlight for long.

>>387816541
>Fuuka
>Ken
>better than Mitsuru writing wise

>>387816387
>Q: A plane of information…? How exactly could such a thing act as a weapon? Does it contain a form of tremendous power, strong enough to eliminate Nyx?
>No, no, you misunderstand. You see, the life existing on earth had sealed the energy of Nyx’ psyche within this Collective Unconscious. What acted as the source of power needed to seal this energy were opposing thoughts, such as the desire not to die or the fear of death itself, which suppressed deadly effects of Nyx’ spirit. It is quite the irony of fate that Nyx, who was meant to embody the demise of all life on earth, ended up becoming the catalyst that allowed for earth’s living beings to evolve into lifeforms with complex, sentient psyches. It should be mentioned that the greek goddess “Nyx”, who our Nyx takes her name from, is portrayed as a maternal goddess, embodying a powerful Mother-Archetype. So you see, the knowledge of the truth that in a way we are all Nyx’ children has probably been with people since old times.

>>387816216

I wasn't being a dick, actually. You succinctly summarised the headcanon version of the plot that everyone who played the original thought it was.

Then out comes this pants-on-head retarded nonsense interview >>387816387

Which makes the better plot? Man's collective depression and apathy awakening the goddess of death to grant their wish? Or LOL SPACE HORROR?

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>>387816680

>>387816570
He's not the eldritch Nyarlythotep but a creation of human subconsciousness like Philemon. If they could perceive and fight the butterfly man so could they Nyarly.

>>387816671
Ken was unironically well written. He's just obnoxious. He was believable.

I forgot about Fuuka, though.

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>>387816236
pft.. can you do THIS? I don't think so

>>387816541
>nu persona
>>>/pol/

>>387816537
The Information given in this “World Guide” chapter is definitely canon. This is proven by the fact that, though this book was published in 2006, many of the concepts first mentioned in it have since implemented into the games. It indirectly explained Erebus before there was a P3FES, the Shadow Selves before there was a Persona 4, and a lot of information quickly dumped onto us in Ultimax actually originated from this book as well (and was also much better explained in it.)

>>387816907
Milk the franchise? Sure they can.

>>387816907
CAN YOU IMAGINE THE STEP

Doesn't matter, what matters is that Persona 5 is the better game.

>>387816998
It's a shame this information turns it from an interesting take on the human psyche's tendency towards nihilism and self-destruction to a stupid pulpy cosmic horror...thing

>>387812473
This seems pretty accurate, although is Aigis only stronger because she's an android? Or because she actually defeated Ereubus.

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>>387816671
Not him but I like Fuuka's arc more than other characters because it isn't attached to a character death and is all about herself finally getting to know who she is and why.

>>387816998
You know Shadows were in P1 and P2 right?

>>387816998
How does it point towards being canon that every chance they have to bring it up, they just rehash a concept from it and totally delink it instead?

By P5, the literal fabric of existence itself can be warped by human cognition. The idea that Nyx is a cosmic being that's actually the moon and CANNOT be fucked with is downright stupid when humans can remake the ENTIRE UNIVERSE.

>>387817145
It's funny, P3 and especially 4 suffer greatly from the plot being too sparse in certain parts while 5's plot constantly prevents you from enjoying the rest of the game by limiting your spare time and still suffers from the same pacing issues

>>387817214

It's the Donnie Darko Effect.

>What was that film about?
I don't quite know - a fleeting what if scenario before death? Like, he chose to die in order to save the world? I still don't get what was going on with the end of the world but I liked it.
>Oh hey let's watch the director's cut
>>EXPOSITIONEXPOSITIONEXPOSITIONEXPOSITIONEXPOSITIONEXPOSITIONEXPOSITIONEXPOSITIONEXPOSITIONEXPOSITION
Well that was some overdeveloped bullshit.

>>387813586

>can't fuck Toriumi
>can fuck Kawakami

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>>387816907
Can you do this though? I don't think so

Nah, joker's stronger. The universe arcana can't even remove the concept of death from people. It's just some special snowflake power that allows you to job when it matters most. If it were up to the phantom thieves, they'd steal death like it was nothing

>>387817427
Pacing issues will always be present in Persona games, it just happens when a game is the span of a year in-game and requires 80+ hours

>>387817427

It started in PQ and they never corrected it.

>She was dead the whole time!
Oh that's a cool twist
>AND HERE'S SOMEWHERE WE FORESHADOWED IT! LET'S TAKE 10 MINUTES TO EXPLAIN HOW CLEVER WE ARE
Okay, can we-
>NOW LET'S DO THAT ANOTHER 5 TIMES

>>387817310
I like the arc conceptually because it's one of the instances of an application of death as change thematically without resorting to the use of an actual death like you said, giving it a bit more depth, but it was anything but properly executed

>>387816249
This. Characters were allowed to develop in response to story events, not some arbitrary, optional side quests.

Just look at how mature Junpei is in The Answer compared to how he was at the start of P3.

>>387817272
Defeating Erebus is meaningless so yeah it's the android thing

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>>387817683
Could you explain why you think so?

>>387817427
Yeah but no one plays persona for the story. They play it for the waifus. Or at least that's how it is these days.

>>387817310
Time and Death are literally the main themes of P3 though, that's why everyone's development is tied to both those things.

The final conclusion of the story is basically that Death is inevitable, so you should spend your time wisely rather than worrying about it.

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>>387817556
only pussy i get is tight

>>387816249
Most of the party member SLs in P5 were pretty bad though.

>>387817835
>not playing for the story
what

Minato had the power to Summon Two Personas at once and Had an unseen Universe Arcana Persona.

Akira can only summon one persona, and only has the World Arcana, only after the game is done.

Next persona Mac needs tomb black his persona will be king tut

>>387817861
Please don't act like Persona games have these deep meanings and stories and thoughtful plotlines.

>>387817605
P3's pacing issues are more that there just aren't enough story events to sustain the full year. You can pretty much skip all the story from May til October and not really miss much.

At least P4 broke it up with a lot of story events like school trips and the slowly revealing elements of the mystery.

>>387816236
>>387816630
Aren't Yu and Door-kun gay for each other while the chicks just sleep around like sluts (except for Elizabeth and Aegis who stay loyal I guess) in Q?

>>387817835
It's actually really shitty as a waifu sim so no not really, people like the newer games because balancing daily life activities and dungeons is fun and the story is generally decent if not always particulary well thought-out

>>387817879

you do know Universe and World are interchangeable, right? They mean exactly the same thing

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>>387817903

>>387817854
At least post a related pic.

>>387817915
that's....exactly what they have? Maybe not good but if you're investing 90 hours into a game just for the social link romances you're pretty sad.

>>387817854
>implying Rise doesn't please producer-kun and her fans for money
That pussy is as loose as a Christmas sock.

>>387817856
That's my point. P3 had party development almost entirely outside of its SLs. The boys don't have them at all and the girls, especially Yukari and Aigis, have it in the main story as well.

>>387818051
But personas story is anime tier. If you're looking for something with a good story I highly recommend The Great Gatsby.

>>387817836
But the death arcan isn't about literal death, it's also tied to re-birth and new begginings.
Fuuka's old, blind self "died" and was later reborn as her new self with full understanding of herself.

>>387818032
>>387818091
enjoy sensei's, yakuza's and fiance-kun's used up goods

>>387818023
No they aren't, there from Alternate Decks, but Universe carries a lot more weight with it, that's like saying Aeon and Judgement are the exact same thing.

>>387817915
who ever said that? we cant enjoy them, just because?

>>387817795
I might be forgetting something or I might not have been paying enough attention but you barely actually see Fuuka and Natsuki interact outside Fuuka's introduction to the story and Natsuki's announcement that she's leaving, and even then that's wrapped up in like one pretty quick scene. Natsuki needed more presence in the game and their relationship needed a bit more meat to it (on-screen) for it to actually seem as significant as it's made out to be. Like I said, good concept, poor execution. Though I guess I didn't really elaborate on the former.

>>387810748
>next best
>BEST
Fucking heathens.

>>387818127
Fucking lmao The Great Gatsby is trash, kid

Persona's stories aren't "good" but they're enjoyable, but if you seriously like "waaah I'm rich but sad because my first crush doesn't notice me" then I have nothing more to say.

LOOKING COOL JOKER
I want to fuck Ann

>>387817976
PQ take place early enough in both games where romances don't take place if your name isn't DA MAN.

During the wedding scenes, the only characters who are on board with it are Aigis (only for P3), the Attendants (Elizabeth isn't attached to Door yet. Only Margaret knows he's dead) Koromaru (who is a dog) and Junpei (who rationalizes that if he gets married to you quickly enough he can get divorced as soon as possible.)

>>387818127
Please leave Quentin, we're asking nicely this time

>muh universe
People that say this really didn't get the ending. MC getting the universe and sealing nyx made perfect sense and had absolutely nothing to do with power levels.
Heck, MC defeating Nyx with the universe wouldn't make much sense and it would make the arcana/ending lose its value

I wonder how much the quality of Persona's writing gets fucked up in translation

>>387817942
P4 did a bit to ameliorate the issue but the mystery just isn't good enough to sustain interest, especially during those months where there's jack shit going on or after you've stopped someone who is clearly not the killer

>>387818432
it was probably a lot worse in P1/2, but steadily got better from 3 to 5

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>>387808882
Joker can kill p3-4 shadows with his bare hands

>>387818304
There's no need to resort to name-calling. I merely offered something that I thought you would enjoy.

>>387818615
Wuzzap, Persona.

>>387818432
Probably not a lot.

The issue has never been the dialogue it's been the actual events and the pacing.

>>387818658
Don't be a faggot and read a good book.

>>387808882
The ending of 3 inplies that Universe is significantly stronger than World, not even close. Joker's big finisher is like a Persona spirt bomb, Great Seal is all Door-kun.

>>387818432
The translator for Persona 5 actually did a really good job. If there's anything to blame on the translation, it's probably on the localization team.

>>387818795
Still name-calling I see. You say read a good book and you've not recommended one thing to me yet, quite childish aren't we?

>>387818672
can't believe they read the whole script and realized what's more fitting for 'muh shitty adults' character

>>387813885
>Igor is going to be dead next game
Says who? Or is this just about the va?

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>>387818286
Well you aren't comoletely wrong since Fuuka herself gets little focus, but there ARE a few scenes where Fuuka and Natsuki's friendship is shown better.
One of them is Natsuki asking Fuuka to help her study before Ken is introduced.
Another is a simole mention of Fuuka's plans for summer being going to the movies wirh Natsuki.
And the last one is Natsuki appearing in the Naganaki shrine when Nyx awakens, she is alone and talking to herself , which reveals that she does remember how Fuuka saved her.

It doesn't have as much screentime but it does try and remind you of it from time to time.

I agree thst it could have been handles better, but I don't think it was badly done.
I may just be biased though.

>>387818746
>the issue has never been the dialogue
It's always weird how some dialogue feels completely believable and well written, then other instances it goes completely retarded and awkward. I'm sure that's just because some of the characters still fall back onto anime tropes.

>>387818882
>The ending of 3 inplies that Universe is significantly stronger than World
No it doesn't.

>>387819032
There's no way they're recasting Igor in P6 after they went through all of the trouble of giving him a proper send off in P5.

>>387818954
Old Man and the Sea
House of Leaves
Young Goodman Brown
Don Quixote
Ubik
Laughing Boy
The Inferno
Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy

Suck my cock

>>387819131
>World
>power of friendship and stuff
>Universe
>Described as the power of space itself by Igor

>>387813970

He might have, when your body is acting up like that it means your brain is currently scrambled. Regular connections in the brain are temporaraly out of balance.

Fun fact, most times that happens people will shit and piss themselfs even if they are "fine" after it happend.

>>387819131
The World seems to act like a basic powerup to let the protag beat the big bad. The Universe let MC perform a miracle of his choosing.

>>387819185
Not him but you should add The poem of the Cid

>>387819131
universe is an evolved form on the world that in itself makes it more powerful

>>387819315
Universe was created with power of friendship just like world

>>387813793
Lmao, what the fuck happened?
Did this faggot dieded from 1 good kick in the face?

>>387811931
Who do you think that butterfly in 4 and 5 is, anon?

>>387819504

Probably not. If you get a serious concusion your body will go into full repair mode. Only the most vital things will be keep running and thing like your arms, sphinkter, legs and such will temporaraly loos it's function due to the brain focusing it all on keeping things like your heart from shutting down.

>>387819413
It was just a quick list, but I actually haven't read that yet, I'll have to check it out. Thanks for the recommend, anon.

>>387819315
Universe arcana implies the end of a journey. The ultimate end.
Which is why MC knew exactly what it was needed to do.
>>387819363
>>387819450
Yeah, that's fanfiction.

>>387819681

Ok. What confuses me in these "live leak fighting" is that all attacks looks weak, you don't "feel them"
Yet, this 1 kick from a manlet was enough to literally destroy this guy.

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>>387815978
I just want the series to stop being so formulaic.
We now have had 3 games that use the same recipe. I thought P5 was going to keep things interesting by continuing threads from P3 and other supplementary material, but instead even Big 2 comics move more from the status quo. Why do all this shit to develop the world then never do anything with it? I've lost faith that ATLUS can do anything different now.

>>387819779
Someone has clearly not played P3.

>>387820039
>I've lost faith that ATLUS can do anything different now.

http://personacentral.com/persona-5-originally-going-backpacking-around-world/

Persona 5 was going to change it up originally.

>>387819779
>thats fanfiction
epic rebuttal friend

>>387820039
3, 4, and 5 are the same director. He said 5 was his last.

>>387820002
>is that all attacks looks weak, you don't "feel them"
Dude, you need to stop watching anime, movies, and TV. Go take a class and learn if you really want to "feel them".

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chad thread now

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>>387820336

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>>387810748
>Christ was a man

>doesn't believe in jesus being god but believes in gnostic jesus being god

que?

>>387820039
P5 even recycles stuff from P2 Duo
>Groo and Shido = Sudous
>Joker
>The color red
>Cute Lovers Gaijin girl has problems because she's white
>one of the party members' has an entire family filled with policemen

>>387819363
>perform a miracle of his choosing
>c'mon MC don't fucking this up
>"I want to become a wall"
>fug :DDDDD
Pretty sure the universe doesn't work that way

>>387819154
Yeah recasting a va would be literally impossible I'm sure

>>387820304
Nah, carrying a knife/gun is better

>>387811315
>Sataneal was literally second to God himself bro

Jesus is literally God though, which would make Messiah stronger than "second to god"

>>387820039
P6 will be set in a prison instead of a high school

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They're all weak ass bitches compared to pic related

>>387809342
Kill yourself heretic scum.

>>387820668
Messiah is weaker persona than Satanael though ;)

>>387820470
>not even mentioning the entire Yaldy plot is basically Philemon and Nyarly's bet
C'mon faggot apply yourself
Anyway everything since 3 has been essentially a more detailed retread of previous games, story wise. 3 rips off 1's SQQ route, PQ rips off SEBEC route, and now 5 is 2 in general.

>>387820532
>live leak fighting/slaughter happens
>"the attacks don't even look real you can't even 'feel them' there's no sound"
>it's security footage
>the blood smears are giant and the spray was clearly visible

>>387816837
Cute snake!

Naoto is best

>>387813974
I never wound up finding the wing-chun dojo, where was it at?

>>387821081
Best birb

>>387816236
Where's that image of Yuki from?
He's so bishi.

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>>387820838
>tfw get to kill all your friends

Persona 5 > Catherine > Persona 3 > Persona 2 ES > Persona 2 IS > Persona 4 > Persona

>>387821218
It's just a shot for bogus promotional material.
https://youtu.be/cNl9P8FmEp0

>>387821142
Final part of gym training

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>>387821290
>get to kill all your friends
>get to kill other MC friends
>get some pixie puss
Why is SMT so inferior?

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>>387818360
Go to sleep forever you furry fuck

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truly the only persona that matters

>>387819504
>>387820002
It's not his kick alone that made him like that. Most of the damage comes from the back of his head knocked to concrete.

>>387819504
>Looks like his head bounced on the concrete when he got kicked. That'll do it.

Is Persona 5 a continuation of Persona 4 or is it standalone? I've never played a Persona game before and I don't want to be lost if I jump in at 5

>>387822458
it's standalone with a few references to characters from 2, 3 and 4

>>387822458
3, 4, and 5 are all stand alones. 1 and 2 are as well, but they're slightly more connected than the others.

You won't be lost at all. 5 is probably the easiest and the simplest in terms of plot and concept.

>>387822458
No, but the events do transpire after the events of P4 and characters from previous games are mentioned.

I'd honestly play 3 and 4 beforehand though and if you like all of them I suggest you give 2 a go even though its nothing like 3, 4 or 5

The only one in the whole Persona series is 2 because it has two games, but even then you can play them independently of eachother. I would say playing 5 first might deter you from the others just because of how refined it is.

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P1 MC's shadow was the only one that was chill.
>Be P1 MC
>Meet your shadow self in other world arcade
>Shadow self ask questions about life
>Shadow self then leaves to ponder the answers you give him

I guess dude really has no hang up in his life. Plus he had friends before the start of the game.

>>387822810
P1 is connected to P2 also.

>>387823032
It's more like dude really has no actual character. The shadow just gives you a quiz with a favorable outcome and a less favorable outcome. Nothing insightful or whatever, it's like solving an equation given the way the game presents it.

>>387822596
>>387822672
>>387822728
Eh fuck it I'm gonna get 5. Not 100% sure I'll like it but I'll take a chance because of how much praise its gotten.

>>387822458
Don't listen to those other anons.
Persona 5 is a standalone game, however most of the events are based off of Shin Megami Tensei If.

An English patch was just released, so play that first.
You could play Persona Q too, for more back story.

>>387820483
It wouldn't, but Japan is apparently autistic about their roles and recasting, especially if the VA dies like Igor's did.

>>387823239
Do you like anime? Do you like JRPGs?

If you answered yes to both, you'll most likely like it.

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>>387823221
Better than having a shadow talking shit about and goading you into a fight. Dude must have something for all the friends he got and how many teachers and other students respect him before, during, and after all the supernatural shit went down?

>>387823421
Jrpg is not a genre.

Persona 5 is a turn based RPG.

You're welcome.

>>387823032
You are now realizing that P1's cast are in their late 30s by now.

>>387823221
>quiz

what quiz? all he does is judge you on your choices in the story

>>387823520
Yeah, it's called being the protagonist. There's no actual reason given or shown for his popularity, just like there's zero characterization for him. I'm not saying there's anything necessarily wrong with that but there's also nothing to praise about it.

>>387823663
It's been a while, but doesn't he ask you a bunch of questions and answering correctly gives you items for fusing ultimate Personas? I recall what you described being how it worked in P2 with the Prime ones.

>>387823413
Let them throw an autistic fit then, the games do far better internationally.

>>387823534
JRPG refers to a specific style of turn based RPGs, you pedantic neckbeard.

Fallout 2 and Final Fantasy 4 are both turn-based RPGs. They play very different. There is a reason we differentiate between the two.

>>387823904
I'm pretty sure that's just incorrect

>>387824056
Not that the asshat you're replying to is right but to be fair the term JRPG is very general and is used too loosely too often to hold much weight, giving way to those dumb semantic arguments about what is and isn't one.

>>387824056
Damn you one ignorant nigger.

By your retarded definition, any RPG from Japan is a JRPG.
Which would mean Fire Emblem Dark Souls persona and Tales Of are the same genre.
The term does nothing to describe the gameplay.

Fallout 2 is an isometric CRPG.

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>>387823565
>Tfw if Persona 5's set in 2016 then Baofu is 1 year away from being 50 once the calendar hits June 13th.

Well Potter-kun destroyed his foe and survived. Door-kun could only seal his foe away and died to do so. It's kind of hard to compare them.

>>387824702
Or you could just say he's 49 and not sound autistic.

>>387825071
Okay now compare their foes. One is a being who thinks he's god. The other is death incarnate and getting rid of death would fuck up the world.

>>387825071
MC is the only scrub that actually died without killing his final boss.
Even the Hero managed to save the world without dying during his game and he is weak as shit.

>>387824067
Wasn't it something like half a mil in Japan and 1.8 mil international?

>>387825264
>kill erebus
>take your time to design a better plan or ask Yu to solve the problem for you
>????
>profit

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>>387825734
Or not give a fuck and smash everything and everyone.

>>387826320
I'd rather see Yu or Aleph dance the world emoness away.

>>387823894
No that's not how it works

>>387824410
You're putting words into my mouth. I never said every RPG from Japan is a JRPG. JRPG is a style typically featuring a story-heavy game with a class-based character progression system, and a rock-paper-scissors styled turn based combat. Like anything, the closer to get to the edges of a genre, the blurrier it gets.

But I would saw Fire Emblem is an turn based strategy RPG, Dark Souls is an action game with RPG elements, and the Tales Of games are action-RPGs.

Chug bleach.

>>387827023
>I never said every RPG from Japan is a Japanese RPG
That's exactly what a jrpg is.

>>387812127
Philemon is the master of Igor fags, besides p3 and p4 couldn't summon their personas in the real world, which means they could get killed anytime, or raped like the mafia in p5 that kidnapped makoto and they couldn't do anything but to cry boo hop, while in p1 and p2 they could use their powers anytime without caring about shit if people watched them or not, like when they fighted Hitler in 2

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>you will never have a shadow self that is chill and just likes to play vidya rather than try to kill you.

>>387827860
p3 can summon their persona in the real world you fucking faggot, that's the reason they even use the evokers you faglord

>>387828091
Could they do it when it isn't the dark hour though?

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>>387816907
No but I know a guy.

>>387827434
>goes on to defines the conventions of a JRPG
>hurr durr JRPG can only mean an RPG from Japan

Did you eat lead paint chips because you enjoyed the taste or were you just born retarded?

>>387828245
Fuuka can apparently.

>>387828483
Fuuka doesn't even need an evoker tho

>>387828245
Yes, that's what the evoker is used for, summoning your persona anywhere

>>387828483
Fuuka's persona sucks balls though

>>387828091
Only when is dark hour you moron, why do you think in arena they needed a dark hour shit again?

>>387811659
>Second, the Demiurge/Yaldaboth isn't supposed to be God. He's a delusional being who's convinced he's the Christian deity, but in reality all of his power comes from his hot mom Sophia.

There's a difference between gods man. Just because he was an architect rather than a creation deity doesn't mean shit. Izanagi was a creation deity but he wasn't even in the same powers scale ballpark as Satanael or the Demiurge.

>>387828738
Hey, Lucia and Juno are great and the subtle symbolism they carry is awesome.

Fuuka's personas are one of the best designed

>>387820002
Generally, most knock outs look a lot tamer on video than in real life.

Secondly, any decent kick at a good angle will destroy you due to the amount of force behind it, manlet or not. Kicks and knees are scary as fuck.

>>387828917
Yes, but summoning it won't stop me from caressing Fuuka's peepee hole

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>>387828819
No, know the fucking lore you RETARD

R E T A R D
E
T
A
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>>387829143
Fuuka's sharp sword hands will.

>>387829192
I already played the 5 games you idiot, besides you look like a beta typing your post that way, hahahaha.

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>>387829412
Then you would know in P3 you fucking kill Ryoji using your evoker outside of the dark hour you RETARD.

>>387820039
Much as I love Persona, they should really change up the combat so it's more challenging like other SMT games

But who is the better dancer?

>>387829759
Mark.

>>387829759
Did you not watch the trailers? Yu is the better dancer by far.

>>387829759
Black Mark

>>387827975
>Be drafted into supernatural fighting force and have to fight your shadow
>You don't really have any problems and are just kind of content with your life, happy to take things as they come.
>You're shadow is just kind of chill and argues with you about Waifus.

>>387831317
>your shadow's waifu is Chie
What happens if you completely annihilate your shadow?

>>387821801
I'm a Risefag but Goddamn. Chie and Naoto in this picture make my heart go doki doki.

>>387811654

Fuuka in plot based on Arena 2. Rise/Futaba have more gameplay power due to evolving gameplay leading to things like confidant bonuses.

>>387819678

Philemon is weak as shit post P2, his powers consist of giving out one or two wild cards a year. (Assuming he gave it to Akechi or if Yaldy managed to sqeeze one extra into his head without the wild card)

>>387812880

Elizabeth one shots Erebus every year, killing it isn't the issue, stopping it from coming back is.

>>387829496
Oh that? Wasn't he using shitty dark powers? This games always have those kind of those things, besides so what? P3 without the evokers they are fucked, and yes p3 is my favorite.

>>387833725
No, he actually gets out his evoker before killing Ryuji.

>moving goalposts

I proved to you that they can use their personas in the real world, I accept your concession, next time don't call others a fool when you're being retarded

>>387833925
Wew lad good for you.

I wonder if they'll ever have a Persona deity have a crisis over them just being on egegore and be conficted on how they need humanity to live. Q touched this area with Chronos but I want more.