Which one /v/?

1 is a better game
2 is a bigger game

>>387774579
1 for story and atmosphere, 2 for gameplay

tried to play 1 and couldn't get into it, the interface is really awful

>>387774842
This.

>>387774829
Not this

i tried playing the original but it was too shit. i immediately uninstalled and refunded and went back to fallout 3 and 4 THE GOOD FPS
i even tried playing new vegas but fuck that horse cock shit. obsidian have no clue what they are doing. im glad Bethesda have the rights now

>>387774829
he is right. 2 is for people who want more 1 but that doesn't make it better. replaying 1 and trying out new builds is always fun but doing this in 2 means trudging through that shit temple and klamath.

>>387774829

I agree with this

1 is just enough while 2 is just runs too long for his own sake.

Also Im not very fond of the humor in 2

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>>387775298

>>387774579
>tfw we will never have a fallout game as dark as 1

why live

>>387774579
I enjoyed 2 way more. It doesn't introduce any new, revolutionary gameplay mechanics, but it does a good job polishing the rough spots Fallout 1 had

>>387774579
1 for sure. 2 is just a dumb meme game.

>>387774829
fpbp

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Both games can be completed in 20-30 minutes, the main story for both hardly carry the game. 1 has a bottleneck though for enjoying the side content because of the timelimit. It's not restricting but if you hit a brick wall in progression or get stuck exploring a section of the game, it can slowly wittle down and you'll be reloading saves and scumming.

I like fallout 2 more, I feel like it's a lot more fun to roleplay in, and I like the cast more. Some people don't like it because of the pop culture references, but that never bothered me.

people who complain about pop culture references in fallout are retarded, but I guess obsidian did the right thing by including an option to turn them off in new vegas.

Look at that glorious mk1 power armor, now look at that meme alien wannabe mk2 power armor.

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>>387774579
>in f1 you start out with a 10mm pistol, a knife, and some flares covering 2 tagged combat skills
>in f2 you start out with only a spear

first small arm I found was this abomination in vick's shack. the vault dweller wasn't a pariah. he must of collected tons of shit by the end of fallout 1 so why the fuck couldn't they just give you a simple 10mm when you find his smelly ass suit.

>>387775903
Beakiefags are the about the second or third worst

>>387776250
Remember how dope it felt to get your first burst weapon.

>>387774829
1 is a proof of concept
2 is the actual game

>>387774579
Atmosphere - F1.
Gameplay - F2.
Both - Arcanum.

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>>387777838
>Arcanum
>gameplay
>better than anything

>talking deathclaws
WHY

2 is easier to role-play as a 16 year old drug addicted slut with the chem reliant trait that is constantly looking for the next dick to suck to get her fix so it's the better game

>>387777728
Gee whilikers, the proof of concept is better than the actual game.

>>387775878
You can extend the time limit by buying water, and if you don't know where to go or what to do is much longer.

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>>387777421
When i made my energy weapon character in 1 and found the plasa rifle in the sewers.

doesnt the time limit go away if you get the chip?

thats not hard to do

>>387778064
I actually liked them.

>>387774579
I'm playing 1 but honestly it's just hard to get into. I doubt i'll finish it to be honest after the first day I don't feel like picking it up again.

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>>387777421
not that well. I remember how good it felt when I got the rifle and all the rad gun fights I had fighting metzger with it though. solid game just takes a while for it to get good but when it does it gets real good.

I wish the new fallout games had more scarcity, any fucking druggie have laser weapons.

>>387774579
>going to the glow for the first time

good thing i got some rad-x. how long do 2 rad-x lasts?

>>387774579
New Vegas.

>>387778958
>hard to get into
Maybe you got brain problems.

>>387774890
i did the same years ago but now i gotten back into it. its not that bad. you get used to it.

>>387778729
than the mutants finds your vault and fuck it up.

>>387778838
yeah but then you have to worry about the mutants taking over your vault. not that big of deal since by then you probably explored most of the games content.

The reason people don't like it isn't because the time limit is very punishing but because they feel they should prioritize finding the chip rather than explore. newbies hate the stress thinking they will miss out on content but when they stick with it they find out they usually have plenty of time assuming they weren't retarded.

>>387778245
l-lwed...

>>387778870
That part felt like a developer inserted their fursona

>>387775298
bait

>>387774829
This

Both are pretty good but I feel 2 is probably a bit too big for its own good. It loses a lot of the focus that 1 had. As many also point out about 2 it has too many pop culture references. In time the effect things like that have diminishes greatly.

1 belongs in an arts museum
2 is a fanfic written and designed by a pasty neckbeard

>>387774579
Fallout 2 is the Borderlands 2 of its time.

The people crying about the easter eggs in Fallout 2 have really overblown it over the years and probably haven't even played the game.

Yes, there are a few references in dialogue that you can spot, but the ones people point out the most are the random special encounters like king arthur's men or the bridgekeeper - which is fucking stupid because easter eggs which are as "lore-fuck" as this existed since Fallout 1 and they were always deemed non-canon from the beginning. You could find the TARDIS, talking cows, giant dinosaur footprint and a crashed whale from Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy in Fallout 1 and nobody ever thought they were canon.

It's worse when it's the Fallout 3 tards who pretend to have played Fallout 1 try to group Fallout 1 & 3 together as lore-friendly when 3 does so much more to rape the franchise than 2 ever did, with making Mothership Zeta canon and the aliens canonically trying to get the nuke launch codes off of the military with mind control, or Fallout 4 with the ghoul living 200 years inside a fridge with no food in the same game where a guy feeds the ghouls in the basement because they are hungry, or the guy who flat out tries to retroactively lore rape the area New Vegas takes place in by saying that there is a gigantic alien city underground in Nevada. This shit is way more of an offense than the fucking monty python bridgekeeper showing up for a special encounter.

At Fallout 2's worst of its canon content you get the Wanamingos being called "Aliens?" in the text box, their look and their text box "name" being a reference to Aliens obviously but their actual place in the setting is that they are escaped FEV experiments holed up in the Wanamingo Mine. The only other bad thing that comes to mind is the ghost lady in the Den which could just as easily be explained away by the psychic energy shit that has been in the franchise since Fallout 1, or some sort of tribal medicine powder induced hallucination.

>>387781407
>a few
lol
>ghost lady in the Den which could just as easily be explained away by the psychic energy shit
no she can't, she's literally a traditional ghost

was the "all vaults are social experiments" thing invented in 2 or 1?

Fuck man I don't know
I guess 2 slightly pulls ahead for me

>>387781514
That's a part of Enclave storyline, so 2.

>>387781795
alright, its kind of interesting that nobody holds it against fo2 that they took the core of the story and went full "it was just a prank"

it is somewhat creative though

>>387781407
>there are a few references in dialogue that you can spot, but the ones people point out the most are the random special encounters like king arthur's men or the bridgekeeper

Nobody gives a fuck about random encounters when there are meme-tier references strewn across regular locations. Robot spouting various movie quotes, MtG cards in Vic's house, Pinky and Brain, Cassidy's wish for Limit Break, fucking Hubologists who have their own location to boot, Mike Tyson - I can go on and on.

Fallout 1 has lot better atmosphere and main story.

Fallout 2 is just better in every single respect except for those two. Bigger, longer, better written, with better quests and better problem solving, better balanced (curiously enough, considering how much more content and options it offers), better A.I. and so on and so forth.

It does not REALLY matter which one is better than the other though, because they might as well be one game. Unless you are a complete retard, you play both.

>>387774842
2pbp

>>387774579
2 for me

what are some interesting builds to use?
I've played with guns before and now with melee

energy would probably just feel the same as guns

F1 is a great idea, F2 is the ideal implementation.

>>387781407
>talking deathclaws
>talking rats
>talking plants
>chess playing radscorpian
>ghosts
>tribals
>mustache twirling villains
>fucking all of San Francisco
>maymay humor

you can't defend any of this shit

>>387782024
A lot of people dislike it. Like you though, I'm kind of torn. On one hand, it's pretty dumb. On other hand, I liked some of the experiments in New Vegas, and it is quite creative.

>>387782597
Really it improved the series and gave a lot more options of how to handle different vaults. If all vaults were either A. full of people living in harmony, B. vault cities made with gecks or C. empty/broken down and spilled out into the wasteland then it'd be pretty boring to encounter them in the games.

>>387782512
I love how you add plurals to all of this.
Also, there is fuck all wrong with tribals. And memes are your insecurity. The were not a fucking problem back when the game was released.

>>387781407
Gee I sure am glad references were used instead of any actual effort being put into creating a concept and explaining how it fits into the post-nuclear wasteland.
Sure is immersive to see a bunch of jackoffs with fucking retarded names in the middle of nowhere shooting a guy with loads of HP while he bumbles about spouting forum posts, or waking up a guy that's been stuck for untold years in a mine whose air purifier has broken and kills you in seconds only to be told that I've literally uncovered another obscure pop culture reference.

>>387781407
Imagine going into 1 and 2 blind and not knowing what to expect. Imagine seeing those references and not understanding if they are canon.

Okay? Now shut the fuck up.

>>387782512
>>387783201
There is a very simple way to "defend" or explain all of this, actually.

THE GAME DOES NOT TAKE ITSELF TOO SERIOUSLY.

Wow. Now scrape up what is left of your brain from the celling and fuck off.

>>387783550
Which is why it's shit compared to 1.
Glad we could come to this conclusion.

>>387783072
And they aren't a problem now.

Unless you're shitposting. In that case, even the recipes at the end of the manual are a problem because you made them and the food gave you diarrhea.

Tards gonna tard.

>tfw no Boneyard game

>>387781407
You underestimate these people's autism. They're the sort who call a forest ruined for a fallen tree if only to act as their autistic focus renders them some sort of critic savant and not a one track-minded retard who will disavow a superior game by any metric on less than .5% of its content.

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>>387782512
Tribals was the cool shit in fallout 2

>>387783617
A game is shit because it does not do what you humorless edgy kids demand it does? That is not exactly a definition of "being shit" that everyone can agree.

>>387783631
>And they aren't a problem now.
Not in the game they aren't. As somebody who has to pretend that the things like the talking plant, the one sentient mutant rat etc... are regular sights in Fo2 and not largely small, isolated jokes because that would not make the game look bad enough for your desperate needs, you don't really get to call others "tards".

The game has a sense of humor. And you are all really insecure people who use games as a vehicle to justify your jaded superiority. It's fucking hilarious to actually watch you people screaming how everything that isn't a "mature serious edgy game for us mature serious edgy players" is SHIT.

Fun fact: the game was just made for people who are a lot less insecure than you are. That is the whole problem. And that is why you are brining memes into this: it's because that is what you really want to talk about: How above current silly internet culture you are and how cool and edgy and jaded you are.

You want to talk about yourself, and the contemporary state of things. That is why you literally can't go two steps without mentioning contemporary internet culture when talking about a game predating that shit by twenty years.

Well, knock youself out on this, children. You clearly do need this shit.

>>387784257
>Fun fact: the game was just made for people who are a lot less insecure than you are.
Except even Avellone admitted in the Bible that they went overboard with humor. The excuse was like that: there was actually very little communication between people working on different locations (remember, the game is huge in amount of content and was done in a year), and every other designer thought his area will be the zany one. There was no real discussion on the amount of funny stuff, and it ended up being a bit crazy.

Feel free to defend something not even the original creators did, though.

>>387774829
>>387774829
>>387774829

>>387774579
always go 2, it's a better game all around.

>>387784091
>superior game
>tutorial that's so bad that you just run straight through it
>worse enemy and equipment balance as soon as you're out of The Den, progression is made in stumbling bounds instead of increments like in 1
>rape encounters (bands of raiders/looters armed with hunting rifles with you placed right in the middle of them) again as soon as you leave The Den
>areas that are borderline unfinished (San Fran, Broken Hills and NCR having almost no items in containers)
>areas that weren't even implemented because the developers were too busy stuffing more pop culture references in (monastery, EPA, Sullik's tribe)
>pants-on-head retarded villains (forced to watch Frankie boy blow the fuck out of some farmers and grumble at you for no reason other than WATCH OUT THAT GUY IS A BADASS)
>no reason to not dick around and waste time grinding out levels instead of desperately trying to save what's left of your tribe
The only thing it got right was adding variety to weapon types
Fuck off and shine desuyo

As one time experience - Fallout 1.
As for repeated playthroughs - Fallout 2.

FO1 has fantastic main quest, the best in FO series, but it's so tiny and can be finished within 6 hours. It doesn't even feel like a proper RPG, more like an adventure with investigations and guns.

>>387778838
I thought the Mutants destroy towns from north to south on a timers.

>>387779204
A long time. I cleared the whole thing and played a couple of games of chess with the ai.

>>387786119
I think that timer is longer than the water timer

>>387782512
>tribals won't be a thing after the fall of civilization

>>387777421
>First crit hit with burst

>you can become a 16yo porn star
>you can whore yourself in the 2nd town
>you can slut your way through half the game
How did they get away with that?

Fallout 2 is a fun adventure. I mean so long as it's still written well, looks good, and sounds good I couldn't give a shit if it's silly. Anythings better than the MUH 50'S in 3, NV and 4.

>>387774579
I prefer 2, but I wouldn't put one over the other. They both have their pros and their cons.

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FUCKING NORMIES REEEEE

so i just given the vault the water chip. how long until the mutants starts fucking shit up?

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>>387774579
Both.

Did you know that was an option? Amazing isn't it. You can play any game you want.

>>387789986
Because videogames were niche in 1998-99. They weren't a cultural phenomenon yet.

It wasn't until GTA on PlayStation that politicians started to pay attention.

>>387776250
because the chosen one isn't a fucking pussy. your legs and fists is all you need to get to klamath anyway. Vic's gun gets you through the rat tunnels just fine, and if you're not a filthy casual you'll know where to find a 10mm pistol in those tunnels

>>387778684
the story maybe, but not gameplay

the first fallout is so goddamn boring. I'd rather read the plot synopsis than try to play it again. Fo2 is great fun.

>>387791530
2 years i think?
you're pretty much set to roam everywhere

>>387792436
The gameplay sucks dick unless you're using a 2 AP plasma rifle, unless we're talking the point n click adventure part of it where 1=2.
If anything, 1's length means there's that much less suffering through its combat than 2, which means more room for enjoyment.
2's car wouldn't even be necessary if they hadn't bloated the map out to the point of absurdity.

>>387783550
>shitty cop out reason makes it all ok
I bet you like anime

>>387791091
D I R T N A P

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>>387775298

Fallout 2's references did not feel too out of place for me but probably because I did not understand most of them, not being American.
However, Old World Blues was atrocious, forced humor and borderlands-tier meme jokes.

>>387793815
OWB humor is great because it's located in OWB and it serves a very specific purpose. OWB is much smarter written than pretty much anything in FO2.

>>387793936
FO3*

>>387794102
FO3 is not even worth mentioning.

>>387793936
That's a good point. However I never raged as much from shit dialogue in a video games. It could be because the voice acting in my language was over the top, but that doesn't justify how they tried forcing one joke per sentence. Those countdowns at the end, holy shit I'm still cringing.

>>387781407
>with making Mothership Zeta canon and the aliens canonically trying to get the nuke launch codes off of the military with mind control, or Fallout 4 with the ghoul living 200 years inside a fridge with no food in the same game where a guy feeds the ghouls in the basement because they are hungry, or the guy who flat out tries to retroactively lore rape the area New Vegas takes place in by saying that there is a gigantic alien city underground in Nevada. This shit is way more of an offense than the fucking monty python bridgekeeper showing up for a special encounter.

wtf? I literally had no idea any of this shit was going on

>>387794178
I liked the original VA a lot, but I also liked the whole premise of a silly memey wacky DLC. I think tonal shifts like that is a very good idea for a medium sized DLC like OWB, it feels fresh instead of more of te same. The cool thing about the humor is that it's used very purposefully to contrast the completely abhorrent shit that went on in the Big Empty. The characters are wacky, funny and actually completely horrible human beings who used to experiment on civilians. And finally meeting Dr. Mobius and realizing he's the only sane man, except he's slowly going senile... It's just a really nice package that made me feel sad in the end, which is not something you expect when it starts and you're assaulted by a bunch of floating brains talking about penis fingers. But in the end, they're actually pretty compelling characters. Very flawed, horrible people, who made lots of mistakes, but if Mobius is to be believed, not irredeemable.

>>387774579

2 is better in every single way
1 faggots are delusuional "A-am I fit in yet?" elitists

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>>387774579
1 is brilliant, but I like 2 more. It has much more content and is more refined overall. It's also more difficult, which add to the longevity and fun. In 1 you can be overpowered quite easily and early.
1 is more serious, so I understand some like it more.

>>387788554
it's not like they have never been exposed to technology. Sure they wouldn't be a very advanced society but regressing all the way back to the stone ages is just more than ridiculous

2 = NV > 1 > 3, in terms of overall enjoyment for me, and without nostalgia as I played all of them in the course of the last month.
Haven't played 4 yet, waiting for the goty edition, but it should be alright as I'm expecting an FPS exploration spin-off. I predict it will be between 1 and 3 in terms of enjoyment.

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1 >=2 >>>>>>>> NV > 3 = 4

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>>387794934
2 > NV > 1 > 3 > 4

>>387795113
>NV being higher than either 1 or 2

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>>387774579

3 > NV > 2 > 4 > 1

Easily

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>>387794776
Modern technology requires materials and know-how. Arroyo devolving into a pissant village is a huge reach, but them turning into something similar to Klamath isn't so hard to believe.

Why the fuck didn't they just settle inside the temple, anyway?

>>387774829
/thread

>>387794934
1 >= 2 > NV > Point Lookout > 4 >>> non-PL 3

How hard would it be to create a Fallout clone using Unity and stolen textures/sprites?

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>>387795223
This normie needs a dirt nap...

Why did F2 had to bloat every mob's HP so much? And make so many of them in the first place? Combat wasn't exactly good in F1, but at least there was barely any not plot-related.

>>387795613
makes my shadow grow

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>>387795679
I don't know, never had any problems with enemy HP. Either go for Small Guns and aim for the eyes or go to NCR early, pickpocket the caravan guard and never worry about anything short of Frankie again. Or, you know, visit that gas station in the wasteland and run around one-hitting people with a punch.

>>387796142
Nah, revolver from Den is good enough. 2 Aimed Shots per turn from the beginning is nice. It's just surviving until you level the skill to hit reliably in the eyes is a chore. In F1 bodyshots didn't take that tediously long to kill anyone.

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>>387785024
>tutorial
Yeah, that was fucking retarded.

>worse enemy and equipment balance
ants -> dogs -> gekkos -> slavers in leather -> casino goons in metal, robots -> mercs in combat -> supermutants -> Enclave w/PA progression seems pretty good to me, same for guns, barring an SF/Navarro run. The only railroad is the earliest guns, with 10mm pistol being a musthave for early raider encounters, which is quickly supplanted by SMG, hunting rifle, sawed-off shotgun, 14mm pistol and the like. You get an assault rifle for free before you even reach Vault City.

>>387783242
>nd not understanding if they are canon
well, if you're a literal retard maybe. Fortunately fallout 1 and 2 were made at the time when retards were not the target audience, so it's all good

>>387796430
You can get drugs from Metzger's men in Den, which help greatly with aiming your 10mm sprays even if you are terribad with Small Guns.

Fallout 4 reigns supreme in design and writing.

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>>387797373
How do we filter out retards from gaming nowadays?

>>387777421
remember how dope it felt when ian hit you with the burst weapon you gave him?

>>387797385
Jet lasts 5 minutes and has 50% addicition chance. Not very long-term efficient.

>>387795250
i'm ok with Klamath

>>387774579
Fallout 2 is 1 on steroids, NV is the missing link.
I'm bad at making analogies.

Also, I guess this
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