Nioh

>>387736703
You can't really do a pure Magic build. It's more of a toolkit like Ninjutsu that can complement your weapon/armor build.

>>387737035

well, Im really focusing on Dex. But I heard pumping Omniyi and Spirit can be fun

>>387736703
You can lean heavily on stuff like Talismans and Element shots--the real trick is to get two different stat buildups on any strong enemy/boss so they go into the disabled status that lets you wreck them.

Spirit/Magic Build was the best build before the DLC and all the patches. Dunno now.

The closest you get to attack magic is summoning your guardian spirit for an assist, otherwise you just buff your weapons and make the entire game a complete fucking joke simply by using sloth talisman alone.
Ninjutsu is more direct, you get giant explosives, kunai, all sorts of poison and caltrops..

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>>387736703
Ninjutsu and Magic complement your normal build
Ninjutsu
>throwing weapons (kunai,Shuriken,firebombs sometimes with status effects)
>poison, Paralysis buffs for your weapon
>buffs like stealth and running faster
>some skills for barehanded and ranged weaponry
Magic
>elemental talisman that buff your weapon
>various fireballs (different elements)
>selfbuffs (defense up, attack up, luck up, health regen)
>enemy debuffs (slow down, lower defense, lower offense)
>also a few skill that work together with your living weapon.

either way, i advise to use one of these 2 since they add fun gameplay to your normal close combat gameplay.
but you will always need a closecombat weapon and points in those stats.
>>387737654
>The closest you get to attack magic is summoning your guardian spirit for an assist
and fireballs, and traps and lightning strikes and other shit, the Magic tree offers quite a lot of offensive tools.

>>387737108
DEX will only level up your ninjutsu. You need to spec into another skill type for your preferred weapon type. You can't coast solely using Omnyo and Ninjutsu. Spirit builds can be viable but require a lot of investment.

As far as ninjutsu goes, blinding shells, makibishi, kunai/storm kunai, and power pills are all good things to invest in early on.

>>387737958
Maria is so cute. Will William get to smash in the last DLC?

>>387738236
the least we can hope for is a Maria transform...
already saving my glorysheckels for that.
i hope we also get a katana that looks a little bit like a rapier for RP purpose.

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>>387738358
This princess bitch is qt as well. Hopefully she gets a transformation as well. Maybe we'll even get Mothspirit finally.

is dash attack= 2x attack damage a meme?
should I just reroll for evasion attack = 2x instead?

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Quick question; Is there a Date Shigezane skin and how do I get it?

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>>387738710
>mothspirit
anon... it's time to let it go...

>>387737960
everything you said is wrong

you can get by just fine exclusively leveling magic or dex on NG

past NG you'll easily have a CtA in magic or dex on you weapon

or you could be using a kusarigama in the first place which has CtA dex

guardian spirit builds are sone of the least investment intensive builds in the game. get shadowround, extraction, a few elemental shots and you're done

>>387739271

You have to date Shigezane for three missions.

>>387739047
evasion attack is fucking awful

to proc it you need to dodge an attack that specifically hits your iframes, queue a follow up attack whilr you're still dodging and the attack must land

dash attack procs from sprinting and pressing square

dash attack (nullify damage) on kote and dash attack (attack damage x2) on weapon is the way to go

>>387739589
...What?

>>387739580
Certain bosses will still be a pain in the ass if DEX and Magic are the only things you level up. You should always have a backup plan which, in this instance, would be a melee weapon type to spec towards. The investment cost I was referring to with a spirit build is the actual leveling up of your spirits but you are correct about it being one of the cheaper builds to do.

>>387737035
>>387736703

You need a specific set found in NG+++ in order to do a pure magic build. How it works is that every time you use up all of your talisman you activate Living weapon in order refill all of your magic tools.

>>387741518
NG is a cake walk no matter how retarded you build, though

plus what you're saying isn't true if he uses a kusarigama

>>387741731
He never specified his weapon of choice. Sounded like wanted to go in barehanded(which is viable as well but he may not know that).

>>387742084
if hes mainly speccing dex, it sounds like hes using a kusari

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>yfw you finally beat Hino Enma

>>387742159

Im OP. I like using the twin swords. Kinda disappointed I cant have permanent elemental weapons. I was never a fan of using Fire or Bolt Paper in Bloodborne, pardon the comparison

>>387743425
you can have permanent elemental effects on weapons in the form of a stat roll i.e water +21

>>387743425
You can roll an elemental stat on your weapon, like eg. reforge a +11 to fire. Though that alone is not enough, you'd ideally would want a + X% to fire damage(weapon). Hope you're ready for the yen grind.

>>387736703
Are you the shitter from last thread? Are you already resorting to bitching your way through this game with magic?

>>387736703
>How do you do a Magic build, do you just rely on Talismans?
you do shadowround > extraction > elemental shot > living weapon chains
by itself onmyo casters only get good in wotw with ethereal sets, even then offensive onmyo greatly lags behind offensive ninjutsu

Maria killed me like 20 times. I think I might be undergeared, nothing I do flinched her and she killed me in like 2 hits. I got her eventually by just being really patient and taking one hit at a time.

>>387744309
That's about average. The best strategy against her is very aggressive hit and run tactics. She is fast and hits hard but all of her attacks have both distinct audio AND visual cues. I'd recommend learning to dodge her and not block, contrary to what you might learn from other bosses. She will tear through your guard quickly or just chip you with her beams.

She was really satisfying to beat though, her fight is so fast paced on higher difficulties. Got my heart beating a bit when she started doing the extended barrage of beams at low health because a single one would kill me at the level I was at

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>>387744309
if you are using light armor, its very likely that everything kills you in 2 hits.
Maria is quite a bit harder than Date tho, so good luck.

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>Bloodborne has a blonde semon demon boss who is tough
>Nioh has a blonde semon demon boss who is tough

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>>387745105
they are both called Maria.
considering Nioh maingame has some souls references, i wouldnt be surprised if maria is kind of a reference.
granted its probably the first name one would come up with when thinking of a spanish woman.

>>387745105
>blonde women exist

This board gets more retarded by the second

>>387745317
>muh Souls reference XD

Why must you be this obnoxiously retarded? You already figured it out with your second phrase, so why bother? It's why so many people can't stand Soulsfags.

>>387745317
Maria is Maria Pita
She was a real Spanish woman that HATED the English just like the in game one

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>>387745595

>>387745807
>Dark Souls invented fire
Wow, bravo Miyazaki

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>>387738236

God, I fucking hope so. Her boss fight is so obnoxious on anything other than WotSam.

>make a human boss
>give them infinite stamina

>>387744309
An alternative method I used to beat her: I spec'd heavily into hand cannons and headshot her everytime she tried to buff(starting immediately as you enter boss room) which allowed for a follow up ground stab. Rinse and repeat each time she tries buffing. If you have any decent ranged weapons you could try it, it's rather risky though.

>>387745807
>LMAO IT SAYS FLAMES AND KEEPER! PREPARE TO DIE XD

>>387746036
Quit being a faggot bitch

>>387746036
It's almost like she's just a slowed down model swap of a boss from another franchise or something. Uhm...

>>387745710

>On the 4th of May 1589, English forces, already in control of the lower city, breached the defences of the old city. Maria Pita was assisting her husband, an army captain manning the defences, when he was killed by a crossbow bolt that struck him in the head. An English soldier with a banner, who was making his way to the highest part of the wall, was killed by Pita. She appeared on the heights of the wall herself, shouting: Quen teña honra, que me siga ("Whoever has honour, follow me!") whereupon the English incursion was driven back by the defenders.

Cool.

>>387739489

No reason to expect we won't get the mothgirl guardian spirit. We didn't get Masamune's water spirit until the following DLC.

>>387746387
Yeah this. Calling it now that the next DLC will just ape this one and

>Have a sparring match against Yukimura in the dojo for moth girl
>Yukimura and Sasuke at the same time

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>Quit being a faggot bitch

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>>387746269
>slowed down
Are you serious? How the fuck is Maria from BB even supposed to be hard, and let's not forget how easy it is to parry her.
I like Maria BB way more though.

>>387739271
Buy it from the teahouse after beating some bullshit mission

>>387739271
Yeah, his skin appears as an unlockable after you do the submission where his demon form is fought again. He's voiced by Joji Nakata, as it so happens.

>>387746570
I think he was implying she was from Ninja Gaiden.

>yfw yokai hanzo is final boss for the dlc

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>>387745710
>Maria Pita
>Pita

>>387746968
it has to be Maria or the princess.
i just hope they keep the level design as strong.
the level of the 2nd DLC where you beat all these generals is awesome with a huge underground cave and a huge upper level, always leading back to the first bonfire.
i thought that level was great.
oh and the first level of the siege with the fire arrows was also great.
i am just a little dissappointed that DLC 1 had a unique look with the snow while the others seem to be just Nioh lookin levels.

>>387747270
Its just that Hanzo did historically die at the siege of Osaka, thought it would have more weight that your bro who has been helping you from day 1 is the endgame.
Enjoyed the uniqueness of the siege of Osaka winter levels, would have been nice is if was snowy but I guess its winters end

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>your fucking face when the final guardian spirit in the Nioh himself, or Bishamonten
>only available through the last sub mission where you fight Musashi for the guardian spirit
>also a new difficulty, Way of Nioh

>>387747207
Why is that lewd?

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Nioh 2 sequel starring this guy when

>>387747854
Maybe he's just hungry.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhXU7YXZPYo

>>387747680
But when's Way of the Conqueror?

>>387747270
Personally I loved the map with the onmyo mages in the 2nd dlc. With lanters everywhere and wild spirits were roaming freely, that map was cozy.

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>>387746570
Why would you assume i was talking about BloodBorne? How can they copy paste a boss from a different developer? Seriously, do you people play NOTHING but these fucking games or what?

She's a Ninja Gaiden boss.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjQyWaCrMxM

Please ignore the god awful English dub.

Note that it's very hard to find videos that show this as he has several encounters in that game and his moveset changes depending on what encounter it is and the difficulty, and on the encounter where he uses his whole moveset he might not ever use the specific ones Maria has as it's kind of big and she didn't inherit all of it. As far as i recall the only moves she has that differ are her projectile attack and her grab.

>>387747935
___________never lol

>>387747854
Portuguese slang for vagina. Actually don't know if it has the same connotation in Castilian, but during Nioh's time period Portugal and Spain were unified so i guess it counts either way.

>>387748603
It took till I replayed Razor's Edge some the other day that I remembered this guy and reazlied that Maria has a lot of similar moves as him

I have like 10 skill points on everything. Did I fuck up? Should I respec?

>>387748920
Maria is not a vagina slut!

>>387749141
It doesn't matter that much, just keep playing and leveling. Worry about builds later

>>387748603
>and people say Nioh isn't somewhat similar to Ninja gaiden
hell, me playing Nioh looks almost exactly like that video, when fighting a humanoid boss that is.
that masked dude and the Robo T Rex were the only good things about razors edge...
and the graphics i guess.
>>387749141
like... in every weapon tree?
you kinda fucked up, you can only use 2 weapons at any given time.
just play the movies of all the skills for every weapon and then pick what looks cool.
if you then find out that the weapon isnt fun you can still respec.

>>387749141
naw dude don't worry about your level. The level cap is like 550 when you get to NG+++, level whatever you want. Just know that unlike Souls you want to level your main stats all the way to 99 instead of stopping at 40-50

>>387749295
I WISH you could have the Razor's Edge slide instead of the quicksteps and rolls if you spec into Ninjutsu and buy a certain skill or something.

>>387744865
I got her eventually. I went through the whole game with heavy armour and decided to try light armour for dlc1. Not having a decent block is annoying.

>>387744715
I got her eventually like I said, I learned exactly how many hits I could get away with. My gear is trash though.

>>387746126
Thanks for the advice. I basically beat her by just doing dodge attacks and maybe getting one extra cheeky hit. It feels like she gets more defence on low health but that might just be the stress talking.

>>387748603
>>387748948
>>387749395
Team Ninja's original version of Nioh was in development from around 2010-12 and got canned after Shibusawa saw it and said "This is just reskinned Ninja Gaiden. Start over", so I'm assuming that there would've been a fair bit of overlap with NG3.

>>387737108
Honestly don't use magic or ninjutsu on your first play through. They break the game. I beat Nobunaga, Yamata no Orochi and Kelley in seconds. Three kunai killed YNO heads.

>>387749710
I'm kinda glad they went with what they did because they greatly improved the Souls formula. Makes you realize just how mediocre From was being with their games.

>>387749778
You can use some of it, as long as you don't spec too heavily into it or overuse the powerful and plain broken stuff like Sloth. Also there's ironically a way to unbreak the game in Onmyo in the form of Degeneration Talismans, which lower your damage by a huge amount but up your Ki damage in return. It's not perfect, they run out and don't seem to affect Ninjutsu, and it's not like it actually brings back needing to pay attention to movement or anything, but it's nice for making bosses not die immediately.

>>387749295
I, the guy you're replying to, fucking say that.

That fight looks nothing like the Maria fight even though the boss uses the exact same moves. Also it's a guy playing poorly on low difficulty against the very first encounter with that boss, so the fight is at it's most limited state.

Stop with this "like muh gaiden" meme, accept the game for what it ended up being,

your taste is as bad as your reasoning

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>>387749793
i think souls (specifically Bloodborne, cause its my favourite) still does things better.
like level variety, enemy variety and bosses.
but everything else (except maybe music) Nioh does better.
for the next game i want Niohs Online functions but with the ability to leave messages.
oh and i want female and male main character to be a choice, and all transforms having the option to use armor sets.
now wether seperate levels or one open world is better for a game like this is hard to tell, i dont mind either way.

>>387749710
Ninjutsu is so disappointing. I expected it to be a bunch of cool shit and instead it' mostly ways to cheese the game.

>>387750851
oops, meant for >>387749395

>>387750851
yea, you want stupid naruto shit.
but what you get is somewhat realistic ninja Gadgets like kunais and bombs and stuff.
i would also have liked it to be a little bit more fancy and supernatural.

>>387750851
I thought it was pretty varied and had lots of cool stuff like Suppa and Improvised Projectiles. Especially Quick Change and stuff like touch me not and all the paralysis and makibishi stuff.

>>387750851
Ninjutsu does have a bunch of cool shit. It just also happens to be extremely powerful so you can't use it to be cool because everything dies too fast and too easily. Which happens to be the whole issue with them nerfing enemy's health and why people who complained about "health sponges" are wrong, bad and dumb.
>>387751121
>fancy and supernatural
He has some ninja tools to reflect the times but this is meant to be a samurai game first and foremost like how Ninja Gaiden is their ninja game, so it's not about flipping around everywhere nonstop. Onmyo is the supernatural skilltree you want.

>>387751121
>l-look at this n-naruto fag XD

Literally haven't watched a single episode of that but i bet you have.

>but what you get is somewhat realistic ninja Gadgets like kunais and bombs and stuff

Unsatisfying, janky and broken kunais and bombs and stuff you mean

>i would also have liked it to be a little bit more fancy and supernatural

Then why are you being a cunt about it?

>>387751150
>Literal thief ring, more ammo, second chance, martyrdom.

All of that is lame anon

>>387751503
>this is meant to be a samurai game first and foremost

That's a cop out if i ever saw one. There's ninja gear, ninja weapons and a ninja skill tree. What more does it need? Headbands with the word "Ninja" on them?

>>387751786
oh i didnt mean to be a cunt.
sorry if it came off that way.
"stupid naruto shit" just seemed like a good reference point since its probably the most popular anime, i guess.
i watched it when i was 14 or something.

Can someone recommend some useful Onmyo buffs to invest in? Preferably combat oriented ones and not Gold/Amrita multiplier ones.

>>387752047
the one that lowers defense but increases close combat damage is rediculously good, if you are comfortable dodging the enemies pattern.
for elemental i only go with lightning or fire, they seem to be the most useful / i dont even know what some of the others do.
defense up is obviously also pretty good

>>387751950
I'm quoting the devs directly. The ninja equipment is an additional toolset rather than the main focus. Compare the base combat and game flow to Ninja Gaiden and the stylistic and thematic differences should be fairly obvious.
>>387752047
Just about everything is useful, but Kekkai and Protection are some handy places to start, and if you want things to be harder but more interesting without swapping to wooden weapons you can replicate that with Degeneration like I've mentioned before. Elements are always helpful.

>>387752256
Thanks I'll have to try that atk raise one. Most things almost one shot me if they get a hit so lower defense won't really affect me.

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I hope some more of the Kelley clones pop up in the 3rd DLC. God, what a hilariously fun villain.

>>387751786
What exactly do you want then?
Ninjutsu has a varied amount of projectiles and scrolls. Suppa scroll is exactly the kind of shit you would expect from a ninja yet you bitch about it.

>>387752972
I want Kelley's spirit.
I know William kind of killed it when he absorbed it, but given that it is an ouroboros it wouldn't be too weird for it to reawaken.

>>387752004
I was using the Australian cunt. No worries anon

>>387753403
He uses it to disguise himself when he goes back to England (It explicitly says it in the cut-scene viewer), so I was a little sad we didn't actually get to use it.

>>387753574
The fucking detail in this game I swear

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every thread sure has a lot of outdated information

>>387753684
just like all the wikis, and everything else.
the fanbase just seems a little bit too small to actually have good resources online.

>>387752615
No one said Ninjutsu should let you Izuna Drop niggas, run on water and bird flip up buildings though really, in a perfect world it should but simple, maybe even just cosmetic stuff would go a long way. Something more than just the items from Dark Souls but more game breaking.

>>387753229
>Suppa scroll is exactly the kind of shit you would expect from a ninja yet you bitch about it.

Because shit that triggers only on death is lame

>>387753824
would help if assmad p.cuck soulsdrones didn't come in to spread misinfo and flamebait in every Nioh thread

>>387753872
I think its more about making William more of a SAMURAI then a ninja

hence he gets Samurai points no matter what stat he raises and only gets magic/ninjitsu points if he raises the stat dedicated to it

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>>387753872
god damn the game would be so fucking good if it had a barehanded skilltree and the finishing moves being shit like suplexes and izuna drops.
i know people who take their games serious wouldnt like this but i would love some silly wrestling moves, and bare handed needs some love so its not rediculously boring to play.

>>387753824
Originally people were waiting for the strategy guide.
Which got delayed.
Then they said they would wait a bit longer and include the 1.06 missions in the guide.
Then they said they would wait until all 3DLC packs are out.
I'm surprised they don't see the problem with releasing a strategy guide half a year after a game is released.

>>387754006
Not only does this not happen because no one even cares anymore about Nioh but it just means the threads would die sooner. I mean, 28 IPs, come on, I bet an Onimusha thread would get more than that and that series is as dead as dead can be.

>>387753990
Suppa scroll is the one that makes it harder for enemies to notice you anon.

I'm still asking you what exactly you wanted.

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>tfw only one ITT who likes both Nioh and Bloodborne equally

Id say the atmosphere of BB is worlds above Nioh, whereas the gameplay and technical complexity of Nioh blows Bloodborne out of the water.

>>387753229
Suppa + Catwalk + Tiger Running scrolls is super fun. I love stack up as much backstab damage as I can then running around ganking unsuspecting enemies. Also lets you breeze through levels that you need to farm something on. If you get caught just smoke bomb and run away so they break aggro and you rebuff again.

Whenever I play another action game or Souls game I always find myself wishing I could run around invisible at sonic speed.

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>>387754226
thats because they're CONSTANTLY changing the meta and difficulties

a guide released now, would be OUTDATED and completely useless by the next dlc

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Seriously, fuck way of the wise. Oh, what's that? You enjoy playing something other than one of the two or three broken skills, well to bad, mobs can now completely prevent you from using ninjutsu and omnyo and can one shot you.
Please look forward to Way of the Nioh were we'll probably make it impossible to ki pulse or something equally retarded!

>>387753872
>cosmetic stuff
You mean like the armour sets? Not everything is just from Dark Souls either.
>>387754183
You already have a martial arts skill tree.
It's the tonfa.

>>387754347
I just don't understand what people see in Bloodborne. Compared to the other games there's no build variety, no replay value, and the environments are so similar and boring because of it.

>>387754338
Oh I'm sorry, i was thinking of the Quick Change.

Suppa scroll is literally the lamest thing in this game. It looks bad and it plays bad, just your average "turn off AI" button by another name, i hate that shit.

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>>387754442
just dont get hit lol

abuse debuffs on bosses like divigorate and weaken melee weapons

>>387754381
Also forgot to add that they work on some bosses too. done some farming where I just enter the fight invisible, backstab the boss, then quit if I don't get the drop I want. The amount of build variety is amazing in Nioh if you have a decent grasp on mechanics and an imagination

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>>387754457
i wouldn't mind some real fists though, make it less of a "monk/brucelee fighting style" and more of a Heavy charge attack style... kinda like Beowulf in DMC games, where you can charge every individual attack, that would be a fun gimmick.
>>387754347
probably my 2 favourite PS4 games.
i also still have Yakuza 0 and Gravity Rush 2 to complete but they are both kinda slow and i get bored too fast.

>>387754637
Who does that work on aside from Yasuke?

>>387754442
https://twitter.com/HiroyukiMKII/status/892639684274274304

hell here is some loser beating yukimura in WoTW

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>>387754704
oh alternativly give me the whip + pistol combo from Onimusha 3.
playing as jean reno in that game was a fucking blast due to his fun moveset and combination of whip and gun.

>>387754629
Again, what the fuck do you expect from ninja skills? If you think skills that help you sneak around and plan surprise attacks are the "lamest shit" I have to assume the other anon was right in thinking you only want naruto trash. You watching the show or not doesn't matter.

Is this worth getting now and just shelling out for the season pass, or should I wait for some kind of GOTY edition?

>>387754959
KT games getting GotY is pretty rare, so I wouldn't hold my breath.

>>387754959
depends if you do advance difficulties in western ARPGs

>>387754998
GotY editions, rather.

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>>387754959
there won't be a GOTY edition (i assume)
the "Deluxe Edition" basically is the goty edition, it would be odd if they sell another Goty Edition
the Deluxe Edition basically is game + season Pass... the same you would expect from a GOTY edition.

>>387754904
>Stealth cammo engaged

Riveting stealth gameplay fag

>>387755118
>the Deluxe Edition basically is game + season Pass
Oh, alright, I didn't know that existed.

>>387752256
Fire is shit
Water lowers defences
Wind lowers attack
Earth doubles ki damage

>>387754457
Oh wow, a whole 2 kick moves. Fucking Burce Lee over here.

>>387754347
I like Nioh more than any souls, and before Nioh I loved all soulsborne games (except 2 and 3).

>>387755201
now hold on

fire is really good with reoccuring buffs, especially on PVE

because not many enemies roll

at all

>>387755139
Well you also have the Catwalking scroll if you rather just be silent.
Mind telling me what you actually want from the ninja skills when skills that encourage assassination and stealth are "lame"? Or are you just going to be a bitch and complain with no constructive input at all?

Magic works differently in this game, it's more of a utility than anything. That being said, Summon Guardian Talismans will fucking murderize anything (especially Atlas Bear). The divination talisman is good to have no matter what build you're running, since you can nab all the treasures and Kodamas easily with it active.

>>387755201
lets be fair here

Earth is complete shit and worse than fire by far. The only appealing things about earth happen to be completely unrelated to earth. The earth grace has 15% damage reduction at 6 pieces and the new onmyo magic for earth is a magical mine. But the infliction itself is easily the worst in the game.

Lightning, Wind and Water are all great. Earth is not.

>>387752679
>Most things almost one shot me if they get a hit so lower defense won't really affect me

If that's the case you might as well stack some close combat attack (critical) and use leeching talismans. They boost your damage more than any self damage buff and put you into critical range for even more damage.

Just get tenacity (recurrent damage) on a piece of armor to prevent them from killing you.

>>387755201
Wind doesn't lower attack, it lowers Break and Parry, so they both can't break guards or guard as well.
>>387755574
Earth would be great if things didn't die so fast that enemy Ki was hardly a necessary consideration. Almost like they originally designed it around something different and had to change things all of a sudden despite it not fitting.

>>387755462
Seeing as you are actually defending the fucking Dark Souls item tool belt, yes i do mind. Time isn't actually free.

>>387755774
Earth might actually be good if instead of doubling ki from attacking, it just doubled ki damage received. But I guess that would just make too much sense and so it has to be fucking useless instead.

>>387755810
You know you're just being a cunt then, if you refuse to put effort into your posts.
But hey, it's /v/, shouldn't expect much I suppose.

>>387755810
Then why are you spending it crying that an ARPG focused on combat isn't a full on stealth game instead because reasons?

>>387755346
Fire's good with a DoT build, I agree. But if you're just using a fire weapon without any DoT or elemental buffs it's meh
>>387755774
Wind does lower damage. It's why Mitsunari takes so long on a tank build.

does anyone know if damage received (critical) makes critical LW more tanky?

or if damage reduction % in general makes LW more tanky?

>>387756031
I had this discussion before during the beta with someone, maybe even the same person, acting the same way. It proved a fruitless endeavor then, and I'm guessing now would be no different, and i was more interested in the game back then and had more ideas.

Sloth talisman, Suppa Scroll and smoke bombs are the lamest most lazy things in this game and they have no business being there, they are nothing but a detriment.

>>387756430
why?

smoke bombs aren't even good outside of pvp

>>387755938
Well, it would also be better anyway if the enemies happened to be more aggressive in their attacks and pursuit of you. Almost like that's how they originally designed it.
>>387756103
Oh, so it does. I guess they changed it for some reason. Wind never felt all that effective with what it did before but it's curious they changed it entirely instead of just buffing it, even if a damage lowering effect makes sense and felt a little missing in the elemental roster.

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>make an amazing weapon
>DLC2 comes out
>it's now as trash as purples were the first time you hit NG+ and nothing impressive at all

:^(

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>>387756921
all the more reason to play more Nioh !

>>387756697
Wind + weaken melee + devigorate is fucking retarded.
It's how I beat WotD

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mfw Nioh Battle of skill pvp consist of Laggers if I turn on unlimited matching/People who know what they're doing (less then one hand can count)/people who dont know how to even kipulse (everyone else)

>>387757082
same

+ full tatenash

>>387756430
So you're just a salty faggot that came into the thread to shit on the game?
You know, if you would actually post what improvements you would do then we could either discuss if they already exist in some form, why they're bad ideas, or how they can/could be implemented if they're good ideas. That's far better than you just whining.

I don't use Sloth or Smoke Bombs myself because I find them cheap. But it sounds to me like you're an elitist soulsfaggot that get mad at other people not playing the game "properly".
Suppa+Tiger is good if you want to run through a level for farming bosses and such, you still have to fight the boss. I fail to see how that one can be considered a detriment at all.

>>387757148
ehh not really needed, even though I have a full eth, Im fine with the 3WoTW/3Ethgrace/2Tat

Seriously what COULD you add to the Ninja tree?

>>387756549
I might be thinking of the beta smoke bombs, haven't played this game in a long time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u65JpkI9fNg

>>387757160
>s-souls!!...

Some times you just don't respect the opinion of someone else enough to give them a proper reply. You feel me?

Also your only argument in favor of them is literally that they improve the efficiency of your Chinese farming. I couldn't think of a better way to prove my point.

>>387757082
Yeah having a simple damage reduction would definitely seem more useful upfront than a Break/Parry reduction, but the latter would be a bit cooler and have more of an impact on combat I feel.

>>387757546
smoke bombs in the actual game don't remove aggro

they basically operate the same as suppa, but you're stuck in a small circle

>>387757554
>>387756103
does wind still increase break? or is it only damage reduction now?

>>387756430
Nah, I'm actually one of the guys you had the discussion with, not him. It's funny you're still extremely upset about this game not also being Tenchu. The only problem with those three is how powerful/numerous they are.

>>387757717
Yes they do, I used them just yesterday on my Ninja character on Way of the Samurai. I don't know if that changes in the higher diffs but I stood in my smoke ball and kept shooting this tengu in the face and he just spun around with no idea what to do. Same with a Rukorukobi in the first DLC.

>>387757546
>haven't played this game in a long time
>Some times you just don't respect the opinion of someone else enough to give them a proper reply. You feel me?

Yeah, I do. You're just a gigantic whiny faggot that probably doesn't even own a copy of this game.

Kill yourself, your life has as much value as your retarded opinions, ie: none.

>>387757546
>Some times you just don't respect the opinion of someone else enough to give them a proper reply. You feel me?
No, my point was that it seems like you're hating the items because it makes the games too accessible for people that use them.

But you obviously wants nothing more than to shit on the game since you still don't want to answer what you would like to add to the ninja tree. I'm done.

>>387757797
I don't know actually. I'm gonna see if I can test it out now.

>>387757818
Why would i have changed my mind? Everything played out exactly as i predicted it would.

>>387757857
>>387757905
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVrEwCa8nSA

Are there any reason to forge items anymore?
You can't forge etherals.
Even if you settle for divine soul matching your weapon up to +20 takes a shit ton of gold.

Ok turns out there's no Parry reduction when you're windy, or blustered as they call it. From that I can assume there's no Break reduction either so it does just seem to be a damage reduction only.
>>387758158
Thinking they should be toned down because of how strong they are is one thing and very much true. But that's not what you've said, instead you said absolutely nothing outside of "the ninja tree is horrible and also so are these abilities".