fact: MGS 2 > MGS 1 > MGS 4 > MGS 3 > MGS GZ > MGS TPP

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>MGS4>MGS3

>>387736106
Ghost Babel > Acid > PO > Acid 2 > MG1 (NES) > Snake's Revenge > Social Ops > power gap > everything in op

>inb4 salty TPP kids

MGS3>MGS>MGS2>MGS4
the rest don't matter

>>387736747
you should replay them both. MGS4 is more of an MGS than 3 is.

3 is just cheesy hollywood cock sucking by Hideo

I didn't think 3 was that great t b q h
I probably played 4 more

You have to make it at least a little believable

swap 3 with 1 and MAYBE.

>>387737098
>MGS3>
how to spot under aged fags

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>>387736106

Snake! delet this!

>>387737184
and I mean it was pretty good (hehe) I just didn't think it was the best ever like everyone says

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>>387736106
The only "great" game in the series is MGS4. The rest of the series is entertaining but flawed.

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>>387737267
no

>>387737098
MGS1 is the third and final installment in the series
The rest don't matter

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>>387737386

Huuuhh?! You don't like good games?

>>387736106
How do you include GZ but not PW?

>>387737140
and 4 literally is a cheesy and shitty hollywood movie. Whats your point?

>>387736106
>despite how much Kojima hates Solid Snake, he ends up being the most well-developed character in the canon
I guess he is mad he only got his claws in him for one game without being contested while he George Lucas'd Big Boss into a shitty character and a self-insert

>>387736106
>4>3
Gr8 b8 m8

>>387737140
I just replayed 3 last week and played 4 for the first time. acts 1 and 2 are good but not amazing. what makes 4 more of an mgs game?

>>387737614
thinking 3 has less cheesy garbage than 4 is retarded

>>387737816
>and played 4 for the first time.
underaged cucks need to stfu

MGS 3 > MGS 1 > MGS2 > MGS TTS > MGS GZ MGS TPP > MGS 4.

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Guys, how did you manage to finish TPP? I arrived in Africa and did a couple of missions 3 weeks ago but haven't touched it since. It's just so tedious.

>>387737140
4's story is a jumbled mess throughout with horrible exposition dumps that kill any notion of subtlety or mood
The gameplay itself was fine

>>387737614
you just described what 3 was deliberately trying to do minus the shitty part

>>387737932
TPP is a steaming pile of shit

>>387737954
>3
>story

>>387737709
Nothing in 3 comes even close to as cheesy and retarded as any of the beauty and beast scenes, Meryl's wedding or Jack and Rose's reunion
Naomi's entire role in 4 was so fucking stupid I almost had an aneurysm

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1 > V > 3 > 2 > PW = 4

>>387738040
>Nothing in 3 comes even close to as cheesy and retarded as any of the beauty and beast scenes,
AHAHHAHAHAHAH
look at this 12yo

>>387737932
Part of being a soldier in combat is searching for a reason to continue fighting. You just haven't found yours yet, and that's ok.

>>387738101

Leave. Leave this thread and never come back

>>387738134
Sick burn, dude
I'm not wrong though

>>387738101
This is the only right one

>>387738040
I agree.

>>387737932
I also gave up shortly after getting into africa in 2015
I have never played since then
Also I got a bad feeling in my tummy when I was playing MGSV and it was appendicitis so MGSV gave me appendicitis

>>387738204
>V in second place
>only right one

are you demented?

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>>387738101
my nigga

>>387737912
>>387738134
4 fans everybody

>>387737932
I just fucked around, went into each episode trying new ways to go about things. Playing pure stealth seemed like a hindrance given how many options and tools you're given.

>>387738134
What about 3 was cheesy? You could tell it was going for 60's spy flick. It was aware of itself. MGS 4 was cheesy with no frame of reference.

>>387738301
As a GAME (not thinking of the story or any of that bullshit) it's almost the best in the series because it's the most fun to play. 1 is so immortal and replayable though it has to be at the top.

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>>387738321
Give me a single reason you think any other Metal Gear game comes close. 4 is literally perfection.

>>387738101
this, moviefags need not apply

>>387738101
I dislike 4 as much as the next person, but Peace Walker isn't comparable to anything, it shouldn't even be on a list in any place that isn't last.

>>387738378

But Stealth is the most fun and rewarding way to play and I don't like killing soldiers

>>387738604
PW is better than V though

>>387738146
The reason was looking for an enjoyable MGS game that was not incredibly boring and stretched out
The reason was always there but they weren't able to get what they were looking for in V

>>387737140
two 2D games of
>infiltrate and destroy metal gear
then three 3D games of
>infiltrate and destroy metal gear
then one very confused game of
>globetrot to stop a bad guy from doing something nobody can adequately explain at any point

>>387738604
They balance each other out because while one has amazing (dare I say the best) gameplay there's barely any of it there to play inbetween hours of absolute dogshit story, while the other is mostly mediocre/sometimes fun gameplay with too much grind and moments of probably the worst story in the MGS franchise.

>>387738717
I can't see how. PW's 25 minute boss battles made the game unplayable for me.

>>387738717
>DEPLOYING S-MINES

no

2 is overrated as fuck. Everyone faps to the Colonel speech at the end but ignore the fact that everything after the tanker mission and before the colonel is revealed to be AI is straight garbage.

Half the big shell is inaccessible because cut content. Swimming sections. Escort mission. nonstop fucking backtracking. That awful go diffuse the bombs mission. Bosses and their fights are lame. Stillman is lame. Raiden & Rose angst is horrid. Metal Gear Ray fight is a less fun version of the REX fight that goes on for too long.

But everyone ignores all this because MUH MEMES MUH 2DEEP4U CODEC CALL AT THE END

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>when you realize the games are overwritten by a hack director with personal problems and dont even have legitimate stealth elements
>and metal gear survive will move the series in the right direction after years of being controlled by a movie director wannabe

Just look at how well metal gear rising turned out when you made a metal gear with as least input from kojima as possible.

>>387738949
Agreed. I played 2 on release and I felt like what nu-fans must feel with V. Except V is actually fun.

>>387738481
Metal Gear Solid 1's entire theme, from the music, to the dialog, to the color pallet leaves a deeper impression than Metal Gear Solid 4. This goes for the rest of the entries too. 4 was just Old Snake doing old shit, shit music, Raiden pin cushion, and wacky and zany Ocelot.

>>387738826
I also think MGS4 had the best gameplay but later acts got kinda weak and are pretty boring on subsequent playthroughs
The story wasn't that great but I liked it

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>>387738959
>Metal Gear will go back to being gre-
No it won't, that shipped sailed a long time ago

>>387738959
All we need from a Fox Engine Metal Gear is something akin to ArmA but with V's gameplay. Make a couple of open world maps and just add drop-in CO-OP and dynamically spawned missions/side-ops and I'd be set for life.

>crawl 10 feet, stay still for octocamo, crawl 6 feet, octocamo, crawl 30 feet, octocamo
That's the entirety of mgs4, where's this good gameplay I've been told it has?

>>387739247
That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard of
Stop posting here please thanks

>>387739320
>being storyfag

kys

>>387739380
No I'm being nottediousgameplayinextremelybarrenenvironmentsfag

Did the US/Soviet governments really had secret psychic power research divisions?

>>387738949
I don't like the game for it's "deep" story. When MGS2 first came, I was like 12 and one of those underaged gamers who skipped cutscenes and played the game as unstealthy as possible so I had to concept of wtf Kojima was going for as far as story goes and it was still a blast. The game gives you a lot of fun to work with and was a great upgrade to MGS's system. I didn't like the story until I played through it a couple of times as an adult.

>>387739247
>dynamically spawned
autism

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>>387739247
yep, oldfags deny it but the older games were objectively trash and kojima played his fanboys back in the day like a fiddle. Konami trashing the slacker kojima was best decision after all.

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>>387739117
>a deeper impression
What does that even mean? The color pallet? This isn't art class. The only good track in MGS1 is the ending theme and the dialogue consists of awkward direct philosophy.

>>387739474
Pretty sure the Soviets did (vaguely remember something about 'Astral Projection') but quickly dropped it after it didn't go anywhere. The US one probably mutated into divisions responsible for drug testing (LSD/Ecstacy) and PsyOps like MK Ultra

>>387739474
no, it was more like a branch of the CIA doing psychic research experiments. mostly they just gave people shitloads of lsd.

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Was he the true genius behind MGS?

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>>387739782
no

>>387738949
how do you rank the games then? I think 2 is a bit overrated but I just played the series again recently and it's still good.
the boss fights are some of the weaker ones in the series (The fortune "fight", Olga is underwhelming but with better handling of the controls it can be pretty good, fat man is unique but tedious, and Vamp is kind of lame)

I personally really like the Solidus and RAYs fights. RAYs is just maintaining a pattern for a long time, an endurance fight, but I always feel satisfied and tremendously relieved when the fight abruptly ends
it's definitely got pacing issues though

>>387739869
>Ninja Gaiden
>full of one hit kills
who wrote this garbage article

>>387736106
How the fuck is GZ over TPP that makes 0 fucking sense

>>387739869
And yet 20 years later people still play and adore MGS1, Kojima's a pretentious retard
More news at 11

I bought TPP three weeks ago, with no prior experience with the Metal Gear series.
I have read up on the story to get the gist of what the hell is going on, and holy fuck, if that's all I had to go by, then the games seems retarded as fuck. I also kind of hate how almost every single line is delivered like it's meant to be 3deep5me.
The gameplay is tight, though.

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>>387739238
>we will never get Ghost Babel remake
WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY
FUCKING
W H Y
H
Y

Konami had the perfect chance but instead of doing cool shit like that, they develop FUCKING METAL GEAR SURVIVE
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>387740171
the one base in GZ was more complex and allowed for more strategic options than the entirety of TPP

>>387737932
I'm a huge MGS fan so I loved every minute of The Phantom Pain up until the extremely unsatisfying ending (or lack there of).

>>387736106
Fact: Your opinion is shit

>>387740438
>I'm a huge MGS fan so I
hated TPP.

this is the only option for an actual fan

>>387740327
please go get mgs legacy collection play mgs1-3 in release order

>>387740327
>>387740539
*1-4

Mantis's theme gives me goose skin

its so haunting

>>387740528
The gameplay was superb. The story was great for the first act and then went downhill from there. If Kojima was able to truly finish the game I'm sure there would be much less people bitching. I loved it for what it was and I can recognize that it was flawed. But I've never been so hyped for a game in my life and I was only disappointed at the end of the ride.

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2>1>3>PW>4>V

>>387736106
>completely omitting PW
fucking finally

Except:
> MGS3 > MGS 1 > MGS GZ > MGS2 = MGS TPP > MGS4

>>387740681
>The gameplay was superb
for a generic openworld game

not for a stealth game

>>387739618
The colors and music used in MGS1 made it borderline horror for me. Sure I was a kid, but even now it sets a different, more suspense flavored mood than the other games. There were other good tracks too, the opening and Mantis theme being some others. All of the games have awkward direct philosophy I'm incline to think MGS4 did it the most. MGS1's codec conversations are a blast too.

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>>387736106
MGS1>MGS3>MGS2>MGS PW>MGS GZ and TPP>MGS 4

>>387740681
Why do people say the gameplay was superb

>>387740832
Nothing about it was generic. And it had incredibly well implemented stealth action. Maybe you played it guns blazing instead

>>387741010
>DUDE WEED LMAO
>V anywhere other than bottom

>>387741051
Because it was.

>>387739914
3 is the best hands down. Really good gameplay mechanics and offers plenty of time to use and experiment with it. Best cast of characters. Story doesn't get dragged down by technobabble/philosophizing as much as other entires. Best bosses.

After that it's a toss up between 1 and 4 for me. 1 has the most focused and well plotted story. Good characters. And was enormously groundbreaking. Gameplay hasn't aged as well as the rest of the games. Has some annoying backtracking.

4 is kind of a mess and has a lot of bad shit in it, but it is also fucking amazing at times. Bosses suck, the wedding shit was bad. Some of the briefing cutscenes go on for too long. Act 3 isn't very fun. But the rest of the gameplay sections are great. The non-briefing cutscenes are god-tier. Intro, all the Raiden scenes, all the stuff on the volta, shadow moses, rex vs ray, microwave hallway, final boss are all god-tier. Old Snake is best protagonist.

Then there's 2, which I've said my thoughts on. Tanker and ending are great. the middle 80% is mostly bad.

V and PW are hard for me to compare to the rest since they are so different. PW has some neat ideas and introduced Kaz which is a great character. But V does everything better. V is one of the best open world action games of all time IMO. I fucking love the gameplay and put 200 hours into my first playthrough. That amount of variety in playstyles is insane. Story is obviously an enormous mess. It has a handful of good scenes but the fucked up development is extremely apparent. Like it almost doens't feel right to criticize the story when it's so obvious that it's only like 60% of it, and a lot of what's there feels like it was rushed. I still don't think the ending we got was the original planned ending but a last minute tacked on thing, including the twist. But that's for another post

>>387740171
Other than the one base being more varied than any of TPP's, GZ's storyline was also better than all of TPP. It made you think got real, and then TPP dropped the ball.

>>387741056
>stealth in empty fucking map with the same structure copy pasted everywhere with the same exact enemy
wow

>>387740681
I think people expected too much from the game, and Kojima is largely at fault because of the trailers. If thought of as just a spin-off, like PW, it doesn't seem like it fell as short of the mark.

The game chronicles the activities of yet another Snake who has his own villain, love interest and support crew. MGS: Venom. But as a spin-off, it is structured very differently from the main series. Additionally, at the end of 4, Big Boss asks aloud something like "Did Zero hate me? Or did he just fear me? guess I'll never know now", a question which is answered by the Truth tapes.

>>387740539
Not that poster but I have the HD collection and im not gonna bother with MGS1 shit is too old.

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>>387736106
>"fact"
Yeah okay bud, like anyone will take you seriously if you put mgs4 before mgs3.

>>387741450
V fans everyone

>>387740327
The Metal Gear Solid Storyline sounds stupid as shit on paper. You gotta have gameplay and cutscenes surrounding them as context. I'd recommend at least playing 1,and 3 as they are generally the most liked and unique to themselves.

>>387740352
Lust for revenge against Snake and a shadow organization was already a running theme among Black Arts Viper and the members of Black Chamber. I'm almost certain one of the members even use "Lust for revenge" in their death speeches, iirc it was Owl? Skull Face is straight up Black Arts Viper rip-off, except shit.
Goes to prove that an endless budget doesn't save a hack-fraud from falling on his face

>>387741505
why? The stories in metal gear are overwritten and always 2deep4u bullshit.

>>387741160
I was never so bored of a game in my life
I was starting to be okay with them turning it into an open world game, it got a little boring with PW but as long as the levels were good I thought I was going to like it
Maybe I was playing a different game from everyone else and need to try it again

>>387740791
Not bad at all. I can definitely get behind this ranking here.

>>387741404
PW isn't a spinoff though, Kojima directed and its events are part of the canon
Portable Ops is a spin-off

>>387741692
*the new structure got a little boring with PW

Story: 2>3>1>5>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>4
Gameplay: 5>3>2>4>1

As nonexistent as 5's story is, it's still better than 4's bullshit of explaining every little thing in the series away with nanomachines. Don't even get me started on the Johnny and Meryl garbage.

>>387741205
>3 best
no argument here
>between 1 and 4
there's too much to say about this. In short, I prefer 1. But I'd like to talk about the kind of plot that 1, 2, and 4 have: the kind where the villain is counting on your success. I think 2 adequately explains this in the course of it's narrative, but 1 falls short pretty badly. If pretending to be Master Miller for the purposes of tricking Snake into solving the PAL problem was his master plan, why did he and all of FOXHOUND try so hard to stop him at every turn?
>haha snake you have done our work for us, all according to plan, ignoring that it's just me and Ocelot left
4 is far worse because the plot makes less sense at each step of the way, culminating in the lamest "I planned on you succeeding from the beginning" ass pull I've ever seen

Did Snake ever get to have sex?

>>387741753
why do you think spin-off = different author? or do you really not think the arcadey, mission-based, base-building, non-numbered entry in the series is a spin-off of the mainline of mostly mechanically similar entries?

>>387742775
he fucked a lot before MGS1. he has a reputation as a ladies man and meryl/naomi know about it.

he also fucked Meryl after

>>387742841
PW is still part of the mainline, the events of PW basically set up GZ and TPP
GZ isn't a spin-off either even though it's a non-numbered entry

>>387742372
I mean, 1 and 3 are more flavored as straight-forward action movies. It's easy to just overlook the villains' logic, or even accept it as kitschy. 4 was fucking insane. Liquid Ocelot was a goddam menace. I don't remember there being any backup plans.

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PW + TPP = not MGS

>>387743240
neither GZ nor TPP are numbered, they are both MGSV

all three (PW, GZ and TPP) are Tactical Espionage Operations

which is more similar to Peace Walker: Portable Ops or any numbered mainline entry?

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>>387736106
nope.

fact: mgs3>mgs2>mgs5>mgs1>mgs4

>>387742775
Which Snake?

>>387742775
yes, Raiden does
he was codenamed Snake for a brief moment, it counts

>>387743683
What's that got to do with anything
Gameplay similarities don't determine if it's a spin-off or not though
The point of a spin-off is that it's a "side story", it doesn't necessarily have to fit into the canon and it's dismissible in the mainline entries

I find it funny and also extremely depressing that there have been more mainline Metal Gear games purposely written to be "bad" or end the series than there have been just good Metal Gear games for the sake of being good.

Character roles:
2 > 3 > 1 > PW = 4 > V

Overall story:
1 = 3 > 2 = PW > 4 > V

Most beautiful Snake:
GZ > 3 = SSB Snake > TPP > 2 = David Plissken > MG2 MSX portrait in intro that is definitely not a ripoff of some other actor > 4 = Twin Snakes >>>>>>>>> 1

>>387742949
Fucking a lot? When did this happen?

What do you guys think of the Acid games?

>>387745053
You're fucking retarded

Old Snake is by far the nicest looking Snake
V and PW Snakes looks like fucking shit

>>387745053
>PW on any list
kys

>>387745547
that stupid fucking mustache? please

2 > 1 > Rising > Ghost Babel > MG1 > MG2 > 3 > 4 > PW > 5 > PoOps

>>387745053
Oh yes, also forgot to put PW Snake way behind 4.
It shows him decently for the "Big" role, but even in the prerenders it looks like he has some weird square shaped face that I condemn, and GZ is a completely different story.

>>387745590
low test beta detected

>>387744440
Yeah, during 2 was when Kojima would start his eternal bitching about 'muh last MGS' or 'passing on the torch'. Admittedly, 3 was a solid spy story, but it was mostly sparks and wisps thereafter. There was no happy ending for the series, considering.

How can people enjoy MGS3 with its framerate is piss poor? The first time I played I was convinced there was something wrong with the game. That reason alone doesn't qualify it for number one.

>>387745590
That's a mustache of a guy who fucks
You wouldn't know anything about I guess

>>387745590
cuck

>>387745746
*when

MGS 3> MGS > MGS 2 > MGS4 > MGS GZ > MGS PW > MGS TPP.
This is the widely accepted order.

>>387746052
I'm not that crazy about 3 desu but I'm pretty okay with this

>>387745053
>Messing it up
it's Pliskin, not Plissken you idiot

Story:
3 > 1 > 5 = 4 > 2. The entire last act made MGS2's story the worst

Gameplay:
5 > 3 > 4 (for what little there was) > 1 > 2. Big Shell's horrible design made the gameplay suck. Not to mention having to find the nodes and the Psychic guards.

>>387746446
For the little there was, I think I got more enjoyment out of 4's gameplay than V

>All of these plebs who haven't played MG1 and 2

>>387746590
Gameplay and story-wise there's not really much there 2bh

>>387745053
>GZ Snake over everything else.
Do you have a fetish for old men or something?

>>387746590
>MG1 and 2
retconned and irrelevant

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>>387736106

EXACTLY! Thisthisthisthisthisthisthisthis

>>387746883
I think they shoud remake those

>>387746964
lol fuck no

also wouldn't even make sense

>>387746446
having to find the nerds made you have to play carefully the first time through an area, and utilize the cover peeking system instead of just looking to the Soliton to solve all your problems

the struts get progressively more difficult A through F so it has a good difficulty curve if you go that way, culminating in the very tricky Strut F warehouse

Liquid possessing Ocelot through the arm was way more interesting than DUDE PSYCHOTHERAPY AND NANOMACHINES LMAO

>>387747012
problem with peeking is that, I peek, see no one, move, and then suddenly there is a guard. Like they knew when I was going to go around the cornet.

By the halfway point of MGS2 I basically went "fuck it, go full murder until I find the node, hide, activate node when alert is gone, proceed"

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>>387736106
MGRR>MGS1>MGS3>MGSVGZ>MGS4>MGS2>MG2>MG1>MGSVTPP>MGSPW

>>387747004
I think it could be fun

>>387739782
Yes.

>>387747296
Rising was just pure unadulterated fun

>>387747231
I can understand that. I'm glad it's not the way it's done in all of them, but I thought it was an interesting design choice.

I think MGS4's Solid Eye radar was the best because it didn't show vision cones or blueprints, just approximate locations of enemies and a rotatable third-person camera to get eyes on them while you are camouflaged. plus, you couldn't always gave it on because it took up an item slot and had battery

>>387747667
>Rising was just pure unadulterated fun

I know and it was also nice to see that Raiden finally became a decent character after being a whiny bitch in 2 and emo as fuck in 4

>>387737932
>Guys, how did you manage to finish TPP?
Curiosity. I had to know what happened at the end. The disappointment kept me going, I had to see how far I could be pushed into the hole. After I beat it I didn't even bother doing A Quiet Exit or whatever it was, I just did some FOBs and stopped playing until the MP came out. Then I dropped it for good a week later. I don't care what anyone says. Sure the game feels nice, but even the gameplay was disappointing.

>>387741205
>3 is the best hands down.
It's really not. The gameplay is a continuation of 1 and 2 which does not work in a jungle setting, the camo mechanic is incredibly tedious which is why it's automatic in 4, survival shit was innovative when the game first came out, but in retrospect is completely pointless. 2 has the tightest and most streamlined gameplay of the first 3.

>>387747772
>Raiden finally became a decent character
he was better in 4. MGR = NOTHING PERSONNEL KID

the game was fun, but the characters and story were written as if it was made by a 12yo edgy emo

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>>387736106
Would it be a good idea to buy a PS3 off of amazon to play MGO2 Revive?

>>387748203
ya and if you don't like it there's plenty of other cool shit you can play
make sure you have an original copy of 4, hd colleciton/legacy/digital doesn't work

>>387748091
>but the characters and story were written as if it was made by a 12yo edgy emo

an edgy 12 year old story is DmC.

>>387748310
oops hd collection doesn't have 4

>>387736106
Gameplay
>MGSV
>MGS2
>MGS3
>MGS
>MGS4
>PW

Story
>MGS
>MGS3
>MGS2
>PW
>MGS4
>MGSV

>>387748310
>>387748394
yeah I thought about picking up littlebigplanet 2 since i've played it before

>>387748457
oh fuck I miss that game, played it so much
also have you seen media molecule's next game? dreams? you don't actually need VR to play it but I almost feel like I would pick up VR for it if it's good

>>387748627
Haven't seen dreams before, but it looks neat

>>387737140
Act 3 totally cripples MGS4 in my opinion, there is nothing even close to being that shitty in any other MGS game, and it is so fucking long and pointless. The final act is also lacking besides the final boss fight and the microwave tunnel, which might just barely make up for the rest of the act being literally nothing.

I found a good half of MGS4 being totally boring honestly, and the post-credits ending, dear God, that was a travesty.

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>>387736106

MGS2 was retarded at some points

>>387749035
Ah, Hideo "I am not a gay" Kojima.

>>387749035
>MGS2 was retarded at some points

like this part:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ul8j9I90ueM

noob here

so MGS2 is a VR mission? or did it actually happen

>>387749803
reality.

MGS4 references it as the Manhattan Incident

>>387749985
so Campbell is just an AI talking to Raiden irl?

>>387749803
Raiden is the byproduct of what VR mission can accomplished when applied correctly and so what happen MGS2 wasn't no VR mission is was the real thing. The terrorist known as Solid Snake died in the submarine.

>>387750128
>Solid snake died
nigga what. stop fucking around I'm legit asking.

>>387750068
>so Campbell is just an AI talking to Raiden irl?

The Roy in MGS2 was always an AI and it was talking to Raiden through the codec.

ignore memesters like >>387750128

>>387750208
He's wrong. Solid Snake dies after sinking the USS Discovery. Afterwards, the terrorist group known as PHILANTHROPY dissolved.

>>387750286
ah ok, but everything that happened in MGS2 was real right? none of it was VR?

>>387738649
Use non-lethal weapons while going loud.

>>387750423
>ah ok, but everything that happened in MGS2 was real right?

All of it was real. Roy was always an AI. Rose was human until the Arsenal Gear stuff kicked in and then the AI started to mimic her.

>>387737954
>4's story is a jumbled mess throughout with horrible exposition dumps that kill any notion of subtlety or mood
So, absolutely identical to MGS2, and nearly identical to MGS and MGS3?

I just bought MGS4. Am I going to like it ?

>>387749803
Yes, but they basically soft retconned it sometime after kojima made 3 more metal gear games he didn't want to make

http://metagearsolid.org/reports_vr_theory_1.html

>>387737954
>4's story is a jumbled mess throughout with horrible exposition dumps that kill any notion of subtlety or mood

they had to explain the ending of MGS2 after all, so cut MGS4 some slack

>>387750729
kys

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>>387736106
thats not what the creator says

>>387750729
If you like 20ish hour long movies, then maybe.

>>387750729
if you aren't a autist that cares about the story you should be fine

>>387750831
>twitter screenshots

>>387750729
if you played the other ones maybe
I had a pretty good time

>>387750794
>theory

too bad it's fact that MGS2 was not VR

>>387750831
I think he's talking about timeline

>>387751057
it is, but in this case the time line does reflect the quality too

>>387750831
are you retarded

>>387750550
You're just a little slow I guess

So Kojima just reinvented the universe and retconned shit as he went with every new title, right?
There was never any predetermined grand plan to it

>>387751368
pretty much

>>387751368
He wanted every game from MGS1(2?) onwards to be the last one, which is why 4 was such a cluster fuck. He had to tie up a bunch of plot threads he never had any intention of resolving.

>>387751368
he never claimed there was a plan. Infact he said after each game that he was done with metal gear and the story is finished. But Metal Gear sold well and Konami kept asking for more.

>>387741205
>Like it almost doens't feel right to criticize the story when it's so obvious that it's only like 60% of it, and a lot of what's there feels like it was rushed. I still don't think the ending we got was the original planned ending but a last minute tacked on thing, including the twist.
Why doesn't it feel right? Kojima had years to write the story, at least 3 just from when he first announced he was working on a new MGS. There was absolutely no reason for it to be the fucked up, unfinished mess that it is.

V > 1 > 3 > 2 > 4 > PW

>>387740729
I like you. but put MG1, 2 , and Ground Zeroes on this.

>>387751368
No surprisingly the series mostly fits together pretty well

>>387751589
>He had to tie up a bunch of plot threads he never had any intention of resolving.
No, he did not have to tie up the threads. And if he absolutely desired to, he could have done it in a far less retarded manner.

>>387751683
I think he did write the story, then didn't have the time+budget to tell it. There is so much stuff that was supposed to be in the game that is just not there.

Also, 3 years to build an engine and develop an open world AAA game is not a lot of time at all. Hell it took longer than that to make the hallway simulator that was MGS4. Most AAA games have a 5 year dev cycle.

Shit went down at Konami for whatever reason, and they told Kojima to get it done ASAP. They took what they had finished at that time and developed a new story around it. Which included them coming up with a new ending because they didn't have one.
Tacking on the hospital sequence again with ZERO changes reeks of last minute ducktaping. Not to mention it doesn't even make sense having Ishmael be the real big boss considering his character model has two eyes.

Ishmael was meant to be a hallucination. Early in the game Ocelot tells Snake that the shrapnel is going to cause hallucinations, which never ends up happening. That and the lack of Kingdom of the Flies, everything regarding race, Chico's storyline, walker gear, the scene with the burnt corpses at the village, the mantis bossfight etc. which are also missing.
The only parts that feel finished are the hospital sequence, the you are all diamonds mission, rescuing miller, and quiet bossfight.

The game is so obviously fucked and not what was intended. That's why it's hard to critique compared to the other games.

>>387736106
In terms of enjoyment 1 > 3 > PW > PO > 2 > 4 > did you rike it.mp4 > 5

I feel that 5 was a cash grab. I put the least amount of time into it.

>>387752752
Retconning shit tends to do that if the audience ignores the original material. Actually playing the games in release order shows that it fits together as well as a neighborhood of favela shacks.

>>387749803
All metal gear games are a simulation anon. Senator armstrong wasn't real, doktor, otacon, strangelove, huey, zero were all behind it.

>>387752940
>I feel that 5 was a cash grab
thissssss

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SSBB >>>>>>> MGS2 > MGS3 > MGSV > MGS4 = TTS > MGS:PW >>>>>>>>> MGS1