What would revive the tactical RPG genre? What platform would

What is Divinity and Baldur Gate clones?

>>387722017
CRPGs

>>387721640
What do you mean revive it? It's never been that big of a thing.

>>387721640
Make another FFT in the setting of the original, not the furshit GBA games.

>>387722661
>It's never been that big of a thing.
It was in the late 90s to early 2000s. Hell, even Yu Yu Hakusho and Onimusha got knock-off clones in it

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yu_Yu_Hakusho:_Tournament_Tactics

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onimusha_Tactics

>>387722769
absolutely this.

Wargroove and Pit People look pretty good desu

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>>387722769

>>387721640
>>387722769
This

Also XCOM is cool, I hope it sells so well that it helps make the genre still relevant

What's the best version of Final Fantasy Tactics? I've never played it before.

>>387724727
War of the Lions is the best version

>>387724727
PS1 version if you care about gameplay, War of the Lions if you want a more complete version that has some slowdowns during spell animations but a few extra secret characters and better translation.

>>387724727
PS1

We need a current gen front mission

>>387721640

Disgaea. The switch.

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>>387724727
There's 3 versions. Original on PS1, War of the Lions on PSP, and War of the Lions on mobile.

The original has
>an Engrish-tier script
>quite a few quotable & notable meme lines, like "animals have no god," "draw your sword," and "blame yourself or god"
>works right out of the box (see below)
>lots of mods on InsaneDifficulty and FFHacktics websites, if you learn how to patch ISOs

The PSP WOTL has
>a rewritten script in a more Shakespearean format
>those aforementioned meme quotes are removed, which pisses some people off
>Square Enix managed to port the game with an internal slowdown on ability/spell FX, which increases the time battles take by like 1.5x. This can be patched out if you know how to patch ISOs, as the fan community has stepped in and scrubbed SE's mistake for them
>Two new character cameos from other games, Balthier from FF12 and Luso from FFTA2
>FMV cutscenes with voice acting replace a few older scenes
>New storyline cutscenes and ~2 battles added for the 2nd most important story character, Delita. They're okay, nothing special
>Multiplayer co-op added, can't speak about this since I emulated the game on PPSSPP and never tried it. Apparently really high quality end-game items were added as rewards, hopefully another anon can speak to this
>Some character names are different, i.e. Algus -> Argath


Phone version of WOTL
>No cloud saves
>Apparently the same slowdown issues as PSP

If you have a lot of time on your hands, I'd suggest the PS1 version first, so you can understand the quotes that the rest of the FFT community uses. Then play the WOTL version on PSP (PPSSPP emulator is black magic good) and use a different team or setup. The great thing about FFT is that you have an FF3/FF5-tier level of control over your party composition, so each playthrough is quite different.

Let me know if you have any questions

>>387724474
What if they made an FFT with some X-com style mechanics?

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>>387725748
>What if they made an FFT with some X-com style mechanics?
Massive Chalice didn't work out so well

I mean it was okay, but not great.

>>387721640
You can thank Fire Emblem.

>>387725296
>front mission
Not if it's another Evolved we don't.

>>387721640
>ctrl+f Banner Saga
>fucking nothing

y'all fuckin up. I mean, it didn't revive the genre, but it's a really good singleplayer tactical rpg, and actually has fun multiplayer to boot

>>387726334
> has fun multiplayer to boot
t. stoicmom

>>387725523

You forgot the PSP and Phone versions have new job classes, dark knight and onion knight, if I remember right.

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>>387725946
Because Massive Chalice wasn't trying to be FFT at all, it was a rip-off of a different older PSX game.

>>387721640
A Jagged Alliance 2 (or Silent Storm minus fucking Panzerkleins) tier game on every platform.

>>387725523
Insane Difficulty is dead, Jim.

>>387725748
The three best things about FFT, IMHO, in no particular order:
>Story
>Growth system and ability equip system
>How each unit has its own timer and speed value, so that friendly and enemy turns are mixed together... and that magic system, OMG
And I'd like to have a TRPG like that, and unfortunately XCOM has neither... I still love it, but FFT is characteristic among TRPGs, there are like 2 or 3 non-FFT related TRPGs that I know of where it's much more difficult to gang up and kill characters one at a time while reducing most battles to little territory disputes with no vanguards without high evade and finger crossed, or stealth, or cover, and shit like that. It's just so different, I NEED another FFT, and FFTA was not good enough

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>>387726518
>Because Massive Chalice wasn't trying to be FFT at all,
pic related

thanks for introducing me to Oreshika though, I'll look into that

>>387726334
Game has no depth.

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>>387726643
>look at my discord
>it's gone
>insanedifficulty.com also 404s

I played a game called Hard West recently. It was a pretty fun little SRPG.

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>>387726645
>and ability equip system
You mean FFTA's FF9-style system, or do you mean the JP system?

>>387727024
Wow I hate that fucking guy for saying that. If his game was inpsired by FFT, it's a fucking insult to it. It's like if I said my game was inspired by Diablo 2 and I came up with Sacred 3

>>387727305
You know we're talking about the JP system.

>>387727305
I'm kind of glad that this was a scam, I wasn't liking how it was shaping out to be. I would love it if SE revived Tactics and Crystal Chronicles, but things aren't looking good for those.

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Fire Emblem's already making big strides in bringing it back. It's ironic, a franchise that hadn't changed its formula since the beginning made a grand comeback with some new ideas at around the same time Final Fantasy entered its post-13 tailspin.
Final Fantasy X and XII could've been the start of something amazing for the main line, but they misread the flaws of those two games and completely scrapped the amazing parts of them. You CANNOT have a multi-character solo rpg that has challenging and engaging combat unless it is turn-based. Real time combat combined with multiple characters prevents you from adding mechanics beyond stats and attacks. Positioning (hardly at play at all in XII for anything but delaying an incoming attack), terrain, elevation, you need a side board with its own cards being played to create a challenge that still has a diversity of solutions, and these things will be a nuisance at best or game-breaking at worst if you're trying to direct multiple units in real time. You also need to ensure that each unit is unique from the rest and has a niche that they can fill comfortably.

For some reason they scrapped their series entirely though and have been bouncing back and forth between literal movies and a really fucking faggy version of kingdom hearts for the past decade.

>>387728138
>"See, they're triangles and totally not hexes at all!"
What a scam

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Argath route when?
Seems weird only having the Chaos route.

>>387728918
I'd rather see an evil route where Ramza becomes a follower of Ajora and the higher jobs are totally changed to different jobs similar to the zodiac bosses.

>>387728918
i think Delita is Order

>>387728918

Damn, he really brings the heat in the retranslation.

>>387727053
how do you define depth? because I felt like it's damage mechanics added a lot of depth to the gameplay

>>387727305

>square tiles
>8 directions of movement because you can move diagonally

>hex tiles
>6 directions of movement

Why does everyone consider hex tiles such a fucking improvement over square ones? I'll NEVER understand this. It was the same argument used when Civilization switched from squares to hexes, that it "increased" movement options even though it actually reduced them by 2.

>>387726334
that game doesnt even begin to compare to FFT

>>387721640
Grid basted tactics games are pretty men. I wish more tactics games used Growlanser's movement system

The game was too hard and too long to be popular enough. Why do you think they dumbed it down in the sequels?

>>387730936
>are pretty men
yes they sure is :)

>387721640
>What would revive the tactical RPG genre?

They're fine, though. Both in east and west.

>>387727305
I meant JP + having two action commands, 1 support, and especially 1 reaction and 1 movement ability

I'm super fine with XCOM.

Japan needs to step it up.

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>>387725523
Android/iOS is also the only version is also the one with some modified assets.

>>387731575

Oh, shit, that actually looks good. Why couldn't they do that with the other mobile FF games that got """updated"""?

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>>387731726
But they did. Definitely smoothed out the sprites

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>>387731916

>>387731575
Too bad they stopped all support and now the game crashes on startup

>>387731575
I like the portrait updates but I'd take the original battle sprite over the new one any day.

>>387731916
Monster sprites look good but the heroes look like they've been put through a shitty smoothing filter like the VBA one.

>>387731916
THAT FUCKING UI THAT TOTALLY BREAKS ANY IMMERSION
JUST KILL ME NOW

>>387731916
WTF, those blurry backgrounds and pixelled everything else with that terrible font on that resolution makes it horrible! It looks like someone used Paint on that image

>>387725392
lol

>>387725392
shigghity

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>>387721640
Hourly reminder.

>>387732291
the original looks like doodoo in comparison

>>387736207
WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS

>>387737616
24 man raid for ff14 coming early october

>>387721640
Nothing.

It's not profitable to squarenix, and the modern gamer doesn't have enough attentionspan for good games.

>>387737616
Probably that shitty cash shop mobile game.

>>387736539
pixel art is way better when done correctly

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>>387737616
SOON.

>>387737616
>>387737923

The next alliance raid to be released in FFXIV.

>>387737824
>>387738806
FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK EVERYTHING, I THOUGHT IT WAS SOMETHING SERIOUS, not some cashgrab timesink grindfest MMORPG fetchquests

>>387738725
Who're those?