Does it stand up to Mania?

Better question is does Mania stand up to it

>>387703163
Yeah and then some

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3&K has:
>Better story and zone transitions
>Less bugs
>Better Knuckles routes and bosses

And that's all 3&K does better than Mania. They're both fucking amazing games, but Mania just beats 3&K in every other aspect.

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I have never heard a SINGLE S3&K fag explain why they actually like it. Only attacking 2 and CD.

>>387704532
>less bugs

nigga you ever see a s3&k speedrun?

>>387704704
Zipping isn't a bug.

>>387704860
what is it then

>>387704704
Nigga have you played Mania? 3&K has it's fair share of glitches, but most of them only happen when you're trying to activate them. Mania has a bunch of glitches that seem to happen at random, like the music cutting out completely.

>>387704921
Yeh but you know patches

>>387704532
Mostly this. I may get flak for this, but I also prefer some of the art in S3&K, though I appreciate Mania going for the Saturn game that never was.

The bonus stages were handled better in 3&K too. Nothing against blue sphere, but it breaks pace to much and I eventually just stopped going into them.

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>>387702903
>>387702903
I rank Mania above Sonic 1, 2, and CD on the merit of the level design and gimmicks are better, but below S3K because it uses a LOT of old zones. It could have been below CD and 2 easily, but the way they did the old zones was spectacular and innovative enough to make the levels feel like they were Act 3 and 4s of their respective areas. Only 1/3 of the game is new zones, and were the most refreshing parts of the game. Go figure.

>>387702903
Yes, it's more coheseive and is made up of entirely new zones

>>387704916
A glitch

>>387704916
Intentional.

Every special stage in Mania makes me want to delete the game from my hard drive. I'm having a blast with the normal gameplay but as soon as I enter a blue sphere or UFO stage I immediately stop having fun.

>>387702903
ofc, they are basically the same game.
disappointed on how quick it was to complete mania though, only took a few hours, would have liked to see the bosses not exploitable using 1 ring trick.

>>387704627
>most playable characters, including a slightly different campaign for Knuckles, who has his own unique play style
>most zones, including classics like Hydrocity, Ice Cap, Flying Battery, etc
>Just the right amount of story, makes the whole buildup from Hidden Palace to Doomsday feel intense
>Getting all chaos emeralds rewards you with a bonus zone
>Blue Spheres is fun, and there are other mini-games in the checkpoints as well
>Three elemental shields
>Sonic's insta shield adds depth to his play style
>Zones now have mini-bosses after the first act
>Act 2 music is a cool remix
>Great soundtrack overall

>>387706069
>Blue Spheres is fun
Kill yourself

>>387706069
>Getting all chaos emeralds rewards you with a bonus zone
does it? which zone, i had all emeralds by the hydrocity.

>>387706264
Doomsday

>>387706264
doomsday zone.

>Sonic's insta shield
wtf is insta shield from sonic 3?
i never remember him having a shield. or is that the spike move you got from hitting jump twice?

>>387703163
S3&K is long and boring with almost no challenge.

From what I've seen of Mania so far, it relies too heavy on old content, the levels are Sonic CD levels of retarded, and the bosses are full of gimmicks. It feels more like playing Silhouette Mirage than a Sonic game.

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Sonic 3 Complete > Sonic Mania > Sonic 3&K

>>387706069
>Blue Spheres is fun
Fuck you

I've never seen someone who hates fun as much as this poster >>387706549

>>387706693
i quite like them, but they are totally optional, you dont need to enter the starpost to get the "true ending"

>the boss of Flying Battery Zone
NO IT'S FINE
I LOVE THIS ZONE, I LOVE DOING IT A FOURTH TIME

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I actually played through S3&K yesterday, for the first time I actually finished it.
Enemy placements are annoying as fuck and are often specifically there for you to run dick first into in speed segments.
You'll be damaged if you're inside a boss' hitbox after damaging it and the invincibility frames run out even though you're in a spin jump.
The layout of one particular bonus stage of collect the spheres can fuck you if you don't do it the right way (the level with blue spheres layed out in squares with rings in the middle).

A lot of the frustration generally just stems from faulty level design in smaller areas.
And fuck Carnival Zone.

>>387706858
the spider boss? just hit him into the spikes.

>didn't make the Knuckles bosses different/harder
>gives you rings on the final boss (not SS boss)
Mania blew it

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>Died a fair amount of times
>But always collected plenty of rings and boxes so I've got enough lives to spare
>No game overs in 3 playthroughs

You guys suck at video games.

>>387706521
It's this thing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bZFzrHl160

>>387707112
I am doing that, the recoil keeps knocking me into spikes or instant-deaths via getting crushed

>>387706521
Pressing Jump in mid air as Sonic. Gives your attack extra reach and makes you invincible for a split second.
Good for taking out spiked enemies and damaging bosses.
Not as useless as you'd think.

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WOO
GET DOWN GET DOWN (DOWN)
WOO
GET FUNKY

ARE YOU READY?

>>387707310
>>387707513

yeah, i always though they were his spikes, not a shield. kind as if he was extending his spikes while in his ball. i used to use it alot.

>everything is unlocked in Blue Sphere mode
I want to find the guy that made this decision and shoot him

>>387707556
Definitely one of my top 5 songs from mania

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>people don't like blue sphere

>>387708035
they cant do it without their emulators save state button!

>>387708035
Literally just people who can't git gud at it say it sucks. Blue Sphere was always the best special stage in Classic Sonic. 1's has wonky controls, 2's is bullshit memorization, and CD's has a shit framerate in the original. Blue Sphere is the only one that requires pure skill through fast reflexes and actual strategy by knowing which groups of spheres to collect first and which to avoid in order to get a perfect.

Anyone else ship all the emerald bullshit?

The bonus missions are bullshit, and it's tedious to find them all anyways.

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Don't mind me, just best Sonic game passing through. Character choice intended.

>>387708035
It's easy but its so boring.

>>387708035
I don't know why but blue spheres always has severe input delay when I play sk3 complete

>>387707605

They could and probably are, since the Insta-Shield's real name is Twin-Spin Attack. It does make Sonic invulnerable though.

>>387708348
It's far from the best when it's only 6 zones long.

>>387702903
It doesn't have Oil Ocean and Metalic Madness so yes. Beyond that it has transitions for EVERY level which Mania couldn't be bothered to do.

I love Mania but S3&K (or even individually) are still far and away better.

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>Special Stage 5

>>387706549

>Relies on old content

For the backdrops, absolutely. There're some familiar setpieces in each level that're really iconic for the first act, but it's like every returning stage got a remix, and act 2 was just whatever the hell they wanted it to be

>>387708035
It's difficult but I wouldn't care about that if the game would just let me REATTEMPT THE FUCKING STAGE without having to start over entire zones

>>387708348
It's decent, but the level design and lack of levels kinda holds it back. Special stages are garbage too, but the sprite work is fantastic, some of the level ideas are clever, and they found a unique playstyle for Amy that I enjoyed.

Shame about what Dimps would do down the road after this game.

>>387708348
Great game but it's too short and there's a few stepbacks from things in 3&K like no elemental shields and a worse special stage system.

>>387708876
What's he doing now?

>>387708035
Having to do the "surround the blue spheres" thing to transform them to rings is annoying to me. Like if you leave a big group for last and can't get a perfect just cause you went in the wrong order. I just want to collect spheres.

Playing S3&K as a kid I never knew what triggered the ring transformation. But it didn't matter for that game.

>>387708348
Not with that OST it is

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5jD_HQV8I4

Call me when they remake these games with an actual soundfont

>>387708981
Dimps? Making Dragon Ball Xenoverse games. It's their cashcow now.

>>387708673
Doesn't matter. It and Advance 3 are the only appearances of non-curling Amy, and A1 still edges A3 out as far as level design goes.

>>387709051
In 3&K, you didn't need to collect the rings for anything other than points and a continue. You could just collect the spheres and get the Emerald.

>>387705701
Git gud

>>387702903
I haven't played Mania yet, but I'm praying there's nothing like Sandopolis Zone Act 2 in it. To this day that's what stops me from completing S3&K.

>>387709230
That's what I meant, I prefer it that way.

>>387709086
anon advance music is pretty good
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqVrFznJZS4

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>>387709269
Should we tell him?

>>387709195
>Doesn't matter.
Sure as hell does when you're trying to say it's the best Sonic game ever.

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>people actually like 3Ks level designs
There were a ton of stinkers in it though.

>>387707234
Mania is showing nu-/v/ what a real video game looks like.

>>387709304
>those awful sounds at around 0:10

no it isn't

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JY3W5J2UeI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8AcStf42bg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKKXB1j3OxE

The Dimps game later have much better tunes
I'm not really shittalking the actual compositions but the GBA is just an awful machine overall when it comes to music

>>387709269
I have bad news for you...

>>387709269
A stage took back Act 2 main gimmick but without the bullshit slide loop and the constant switches to push
I thought it was much more bearable there

>>387705701
>>387709253

He's completely right, they're not that hard once you've had some practice.

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>>387708802
>Casual filter

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This and wacky workbench are the two worst things to come out of classic Sonic.

>>387704532
lel

>>387707321

leave him alone til you get the pole and then swing into him, you can get him twice with one pole.

just avoid his attacks until you get a pole

3&Chuckles < Mania

You don't have to buy 2 games to play Mania

>>387709304
chaos angel is better

>>387702903
Mania would be better if it didn't have 8 act 1s that were very similar to their past counterparts.

>>387709832
Metropolis' enemy placement is worse than both.

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>>387709963
Who cares about that in 2017? Dumbass

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>>387709843
DID I JUST HEAR YOU LAUGHING AROUND MY ORIGINAL CHARACTERS?

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>>387710127

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>>387710081
>actually having trouble with the preying mantis enemies and starfish
You can literally bait them out into being useless.

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Does anyone remember the actual best classic special stages?

>>387710065
Stardust Speedway and Metallic Madness are extremely different, though, and the S1/S2 stages are much bigger. The ones that were truly screwed are the S3&K stages

>>387710127
Don't laugh, but who the fuck is Ken Penders again

>>387710324
Yes
https://youtu.be/LRkB-oYbacc

>>387710324
The only good half pipe special stage, also the BEST special stage theme ever. No Sonic game will ever top this.

>>387709665
This is still the grooviest of Sonic themes though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=co8kNHQXsBE

>>387710419
Worked on the Sonic Archie comic for a long time, made a bunch of new characters for it, and made the comic utter shit. Archie fired him, and somehow Archie lost the contract they had with him, so Ken Penders sued and they had to kill off every single character that Ken made in the comic.

>>387710324
now this is where its at

>>387709269
Hahahaha.

>>387708828
you want the game to play itself for you too?

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>>387710549
>Sonic OC genocide
I wish I didn't miss this.

>>387709389
>>387709672
>>387709775
>>387710825
SONOFA

WHY THO

>>387710958
There's a difference between that and retrying.
Way to trivialize a matter, grow up.

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>>387704532
>>Better Knuckles routes and bosses

Knuckles doesn't even get a boss at Carnival Night Act 2 in 3&K and he gets his entirely own original level with Mirage Saloon Act 1 in Mania. They couldn't be bothered to make one for him (and in Marble Garden Act 2, they made a new one just for him that worked with his low jump height). Also the Hard Boiled Heavies, Metal Sonic, and the new Eggman fights are amazing bosses. They have a lot more variety.

>>387711031
It gets worse. He's now making his own comic that looks fucking horrifying with the characters he made when he worked at Archie.

>>387711097
Bad News: It's fused with Oil Ocean too.
Good News: It's also much better and doesn't focus on ghosts. It's based on an oil fire getting to the point you're breathing polluted ash, so you only slowly lose rings like if you're Super Sonic.

>>387710504
Good taste

>>387704532
>better Knuckles routes and bosses
Yes I too love having 2 whole levels less and several bosses removed

>>387711138
The point is to reward skill.

>>387711170
>>387711456
I meant more in the different paths for Knuckles in the stages than the actual zones he gets to play, and how he gets a different final boss.

>>387711569
Skill is earned through growth and you can't do that unless you redo it.
The point is to pad the game. There's no reason to not have a retry feature.

Has anyone made a gif/webm loop of "Try again"? You know, with Eggman juggling the ruby.

>>387711802
You're right that it's to pad out the game, but then it's not really that important.

Beat the game without the emeralds and get the bad ending or suck it up and keep trying, the bonus rings are really not that far apart and are plenty.

>>387711990
https://youtu.be/aEwBZSPZlNk

>>387708035
It is and always has been a shit minigame that detracts from the main game.
>It's okay when Classic Sonic does it

>>387712862
Unlike your shitty Adventure games, you're not forced to play them.

>>387711569
Blue Spheres are more about memorization than execution.

>>387713054
>Want unlocks
>Now forced to play them

>>387706549
>From what I've seen of Mania
>It feels more like playing
Fuck off, shitter. You've never even played it.

>>387713243
Yeah but you can do them after you complete the main game so they don't have to detract from your experience if you don't want them to.

>>387713418
You can defend SA1 using the same argument because you can go through the entirety of Sonic's story without touching anything else. Hiding progression behind shit alternative gameplay styles which can never be as good as the main game is bad game design regardless of how it's structured.

>>387713743
Sonic is only 1/6th the game in SA1 is the problem.

>>387709832
Casual. There's nothing wrong with this level other than being huge.

>>387713939
No, the problem is forcing the player to go through an entirely different genre of game to get unlocks that concern the main game.

Titanic Monarch was a mistake, what a slog

>>387714470
You just suck. Get better and you can breeze through the plasma balls.

>>387716201

I had no problem with the plasma balls

>>387702903
Mania is better than 3&K mainly because the gameplay is top notch. Its the best the classic formula has ever been. The only things it fails on really are how the zone transitions seemed to disappear and that the Knuckles story doesn't really offer the unique paths it did in 3&K but thankfully they made up for this with Knuckles own Act 1 of Mirage Saloon and his own personal battle against the Heavy King. I guess you could say that another of Mania's failings is how it reuses old zones but honestly the old zones in Mania are just too good to give a shit about how they're reused.

>>387714470
It's really not. Titanic Monarch is easily one of the best Zones in Mania.

>>387704532
It doesn't have the broken Sonic 2 camera glitch that lets you outrun the camera

>>387702903
It's better. Also anyone who has trouble with Sandopolis is a casual.