Dota 2

>>387695389
Don't

>>387695389
Just play bot games for a while

>>387695389
>how the fuck do I get into Dota2?
you can't, just like cs:go

it's not worth getting in to

it's not even fun to watch. it's so fucking boring. why even bother? HoTS is more fun

>>387695573
>just like cs:go
mate, I play CS since the start, and CSGO is babby's version of CS. too easy if anything

>>387695389

You played mobas before, just jump into it. The people you'll get paired with after a few games are just as new as you are. Use the ingame guides to get a basic grasp of what items to get. Just play

>>387695636
>HoTS is more fun
yes but also it gets boring fast because every game is the same. not much depth

>>387695660
>CSGO is babby's version of CS. too easy if anything
yes, you're right. still, noobs can't get into it

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>>387695389
I started with a friend who taught me to stop constantly striking creeps causing the lane to push non stop. We played quite a few bot games then jumped into player games. It's rough for a while, but soon you catch on, learn how to deny creeps and last hit, learn when early game transitions into mid and mid into late.

I don't know if you're looking to get better at the game or just understand it from a viewing standpoint but Day9 has a huge series on YouTube called Day9 learns Dota

It was enough for me to understand at a basic level though I still suck at the game

>>387696005
HYUK HYUK HYUK MY PUBS
Memes aside also search for Purge's video. He explains stuff pretty well

>>387695389
You can't be a good player by just playing. You gotta watch Youtube videos and pros playing. Purge is good start.

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op here. nvm I changed my mind. >>387695456
>>387695636


I'm gonna ditch HotS and just stick to SC2.

SC2 tounaments are also god tier to watch.

>>387695729
>every game is the same
>literally 12+ different maps


>yet wants to play dota2, where LITERALLY every game is the fucking same


shill detected

>>387696215
Is he gonna come back to Twin Peaks?

>>387696365
HotS maps get boring fast. they rely too much on the objectives.

the objectives make it really fun at first, but then you realize it's the same fucking play per map forever. heroes don't differ enough either.

also fuck Dota2, I wanted to invest in another pro-scene game but I rather just invest extra in SC2.

>>387696005
Yeah Day 9 is really good for this. If you want a kind of advanced mid guide as well, look for the video where blitz coaches.

>>387696148
Yeah I was gonna add something about being able to stomach day9 in all his autistic glory but I think thats just assumed at this point.

Thankfully Purge does 70% of the talking

>>387695636
nigger i don't even play the game anymore but i still watch it because it's the best esport to watch.

>>387696365
shame the maps are mostly shit. each one is just the same old mirror flip with the same old asanine objectives

if you think every game of dota is the same because of the map then you're an uneducated child

>>387696513
>also fuck Dota2, I wanted to invest in another pro-scene game but I rather just invest extra in SC2.
why invest extra in a dead game?

>>387697020
>in a dead game
fuck off mate. it's the only pro-scene that is worth giving a fuck about, plus new huge update rolling out soon.

>>387697117
>SC2 is the only pro-scene worth giving a fuck about

genuinely hilarious that you think that.
>huge update
lol

>>387696215
sc2 garbage
only play brood war remastered and play dota 2 and watch purge videos on mechanics, tricks and different heroes
international was FUN to watch btw and always is dont know why you're unironically listening to blizz/activision shills in thread

>>387695917
>this webm
>72 minutes into the game
>battefury void
>no diffusal against wk
>wk with meme build
>main carry fight bot while literally all of his teammates raxxing top
>radiant have rosh timer yet dire play aggressive
what is this 2k mmr game
my fucking god

>>387695917
>Void's Backtrack
Fuck, I miss it so much. GIVE IT BACK, ICEFROG PLS

>>387697226
>play dota 2
ahahahahha

>>387695389
Don't. For your own sake.

>>387695389
If you think Dota2's rare hat crafting is less of a gay cash scam than League's honest transactions, you might be delusional

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>>387697228

2k you say?

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>>387696215
>>387696513
>SC2
>BW remastered exists
are you bad, retarded or just clueless?

>>387697286
Come on man, are you really defending a cosmetics only game to be as jewish as a buy your champions game?

Don't get into it. The playerbase gets worse and worse and the new patch only proves it. It's really easy to comeback if you pick heavy on late game. I can't even keep count of how many times we've had complete map control and double the amount of kill as the other team only to have our carries become more interested in farming one or two more items in 10 minutes while the other team comes back and pushes our shit in. It's ridiculous.

>>387697281
>>387697286
don't worry. see: >>387696215


>>387697372
I meant starcraft in general, but I'm not a cuck so I haven't given up on 2

>>387697491
>it's ridiculous that the enemy exploits our weaknesses and wins

play Smite for free

>>387697561
>I'm not a cuck
if you still care about sc2 you are a cuck. if you ever cared about sc2 you are a cuck.

>>387697446
Paying for content? Wooooooooooooow
Whereas Valve didn't even make half of what they're selling and make most of their money from RNG and other people's work

>>387697649
t. homosexual

>>387697491
>snowball games with no chance to recover are good
Ye be stupid

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>>387697286
>League's honest transactions
>League's honest transactions
>League's honest transactions

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>League's honest transactions

>>387697649
dont be so harsh, WoL was good for a brief moment.

but yeah, sc2 is dogshit

>>387696418
ARE YOU DA MAN ?

>>387697885
That's not an official wiki, it's a typo. There are 14 free champions in the rotation.

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>League's honest transactions

just started dota 2
gf plays it a lot

all ive played are dragon knight and berserker?

its fun but damn hard to master

>>387695389
Don't.
It's TEAM based game. You rarely will able to play comfortably with random because everyone think of himself as KING and leader. And Dota community is awful.

>All heroes unlocked
>Money only gets you cosmetics
>Literally no pay to win

Say what you want about ASSFAGGOTS, but Dota 2 has a good fucking f2p model.

>>387697228
That's old void in the webm

>>387697924
>>387698093
>they make a thing
>you buy it
When did we turn all socialist here?

>>387698106
>berserker
Who?

I love playing juggernaut. Fucking some guy over with omnislash never gets old.

>>387698254
oh right, juggernaut i meant

>>387698169
please anon teach me your superior insight into the economics of video game monetisation

>>387698162
Valve's crafting is horrific. It killed TF2 outright. Cosmetics should not be traded for hundreds of dollars. Gambling industries shouldn't spring up around these f2p economies. It's unironically the worst model out there.

>>387698286
he clearly thinks that selling heroes and cosmetics is better than giving heroes and selling gambling @ cosmetics

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>>387697286
>League's honest transactions

>>387698381
>Cosmetics should not be traded for hundreds of dollars
Why not? It's cosmetics.

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>>387698254
Also, I love the feeling when I found some noob alone in the river with omnislash off cooldown.

DotA is a game for sadists.

>>387698454
Because it invites hacking scandals, money laundering, real world impact from the movement of pixels, just to fill valve's pockets.

>>387695389
It's more fun to watch than play

>>387698381
>killed outright
Nigga what.
It's the 8th most popular game on steam this month with 52k peak and 64k peak players.
Your allowed to not like things, but don't try to project statistics

>>387695389

There are tutorials in dota 2 that show you basic things.

The best way to learn is just to play it, you're going to die a lot.

The game has built in guides made by other players as well that shows you a popular or optimal(ish) build order. However, every game is different depending on your enemies.

Pick a hero that you think you would enjoy playing and just play the game, it has a learning curve but it's not extremely difficult despite what a lot of people say on /v/

>>387698579
there are SO MANY ITEMS man

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>>387698464
>>387698254
what now juggernaut fangays

>>387698538
Half of those are cunts sitting around in gimmick servers just to get the crafting bullshit. I'd be fucking amazed if even 50% of those stats are actually playing the game

>>387695389

Play WC3

>>387698381

Who gives a fuck. You can access the game in its entirety without paying a cent.

>>387698620
Lmao fucking whatever keeping a consistent 50k+ average playerbase since 2012 is far from a dead game, again your projecting on how many trade/afk servers there are won't impress anyone.
Ironically enough AFKing for items isn't even a thing anymore, not that you would know because you don't even play thegame

>>387698608
Diffusal blade

>>387695389
I reccomend getting a friend to teach you.

Also just pick some hero and spam the fuck out of them.

>>387698696
Sure, it doesn't affect the game mechanically, but it's still a detestable environment to be in. Plenty of people can get over that, sure, but to believe it to be an honest and goodwilled model is ridiculous.

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>>387697829
Paying for content in an as-advertised free to play game...? "You can freely play 10% of the game at any time!"


ok boss

wtf i love dota now

>>387698794
do you get this assblasted about people gambling on real sports?

>>387695389
You learn the same way you learn fightans: by getting your ass kicked over and over.

>>387698381

>talk about arbitrary crafting system in a game that has nothing to do with dota2
>Complain about what people spend their money on, even though it's not valve that makes the prices, it's the owners of the cosmetic items.
>Can use the money to buy anything on steam
>Pay for a compendium that gives you chests with no key required and it helps add money to the prize pool and supports 3 sports teams
>cosmetic items have 0 impact on the game and just exist for player flavor, players also enjoy this very much.
>Hurdurr I used the term unironicially, my point must be valid

Yes, this is killing dota2, just like it killed tf2, a 10 year old game that still supports 60k+ players.

Do you just type without thinking or are you legitimately retarded?

>>387698794
A game with a playerbase so wide you almost never run into the same person twice that also gets constant support from devs because they actually have a vested interest in keeping the playerbase past the first year is a "detestable environment"?
Shit nigga what planet do you live on?

>>387698890
he plays blizzard games, he is foreign to that kind of stuff.

>>387698808
Everybody knows that free-to-play doesn't even remotely imply 100% free. There's nothing dishonest there. The only reason you buy champs with money is out of impatience to try the new content, it's actually trivial to play the game without spending money.

>>387698885
Youd be surprised how often people just go "Well I got bored of that because of X" and then just assume the rest of the world followed suit. I'm willing to be that dude didn't even open steamcharts before making his first post, because he just assumed that the specific issue he had that made him stop playing applied to everyone else in the world as well.

>>387698518
Who cares? Really. Just play game.

>>387697248
just get to level 25

I've been wanting to get into DOTA 2 for years. I really want to like it and to play it. I just can't muster the will to start the game. feels really bad

>>387698989
Hangon a minute, what the math on that like 300+ days of constant playing 8h a day without ever losing a match to unlock everything?

>>387695389
Just don't, it's not worth it.

>>387696892
TI 7 was so fucking fun to watch

>>387699068
its okay
you're just a low energy cuck

>>387699068
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GHYU7zv2Us&list=PL8yzvA4vXy49oPZTggn202bxchvioYlcg

purge is a good new player source

>>387698885
Valve knew full well what would happen when they let players trade items with tiny droprates at their own prices. No, I don't know the exact differences between all the valve game crafting systems, I don't play them, it's too offputting.

>>387698989
dota is a game where sometimes the game is won at the draft, because which heroes you pick can determine the effectiveness of the team.

so how do you overcome that in league where so many people do not have access to all the heroes and do not have the ability to counterpick or play to their teams strengths? is there even a point to what character you play in league?

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>>387697228
Diffusal is not great against WK if he's 25, his resurrect does not cost mana and his Q is fairly cheap.

>>387699068
i got into it a week ago, played 1 match after doing 20 hours of bot matches and got trashed in my first all pick match. Had a player on my team leave 10 minutes and the 3 other players were BR.
All-in-all it was an awful experience, and I wouldn't recommend it unless you have patient friends who will drag you along.

>>387699045
There's a difference between Backtrack and Evasion. You can actually dodge spells

>>387699224
>No, I don't know the exact differences between all the valve game crafting systems
>I don't know enough about the mechanics do even differentiate between titles yet still feel so outraged by them that they make me not want to play

You see kids, this is what we call an uniformed retard that doesn't want to be informed and prefers wallowing in ignorance and spewing memes, also commonly referred to as an idort

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how do i get THIS good at dota?

>all these ASSFAGGOTS on this board

GET OUTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT

>>387699224
>being put off by not being able to acquire cosmetic items

jesus christ gaming is dead

I haven't played Dota 2 for about 2 years now.
What are some of the biggest changes to the game? I know they changed the map several times, but have any heroes been redesigned?

>>387699298
He clearly hasn't been around long enough to remember the GREATNESS that was backtrack

>>387699421
I don't give a fuck about cosmetics, that's not the point. I don't want to be in an environment that feels more like a pachinko machine than a videogame.

>>387698051
14 is 10% of 138, rounded up.

>>387699472
Talents
Instead of being able to level stats you get a "talent" at 10/15/20/25 which gives a choice between 2 changes. Some are just statistic changes that aren't too big like +6 STR OR +30 damage on shughucki
Some are pretty good like +40 ms OR +120 gold per minute
Some are pretty insane like +15 armor or +8 edilons (for a total of 11, before splitting them)

>>387699641
Yeah, I've seen that change. I think it's pretty cool, but it must fuck up the balance completely.
The game is already hard to balance, and now you have these crazy game changing talents on top of that.

>>387699253
That webm is pre 7.00.

>>387699528
have you even played the game? I guarantee you cosmetics are the least of your worries in-game, you'll be too busy ripping your hair out due to mierda mierda cyka blyat xaxaxaxahuehuehue

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>mfw on a 7-game losing streak

>>387695389
longtime dotard here

it's a fun game but it's really exhausting. i stopped playing because i didn't want to deal with that level of stress

if you're up for it, read through the wiki

http://dota2.gamepedia.com/

>>387699528
You mean where shooting an enemy gives you a cosmetic
Where capping a point gives a chest?
Where getting a godlike streak gives you a skin?

Like holy fucking shit anon what is wrong with you, try to figure out why you don't like a thing then checking if its even the case before posting shit on the internet, unless you enjoy being called out on being a retard.
Nothing you do in the games outside of watching fucking pro matches in dota 2 has any effect on the whole cosmetic system, you still play the games for the gameplay

You just got bored of TF2, that's all there is to it, no need to invent convoluted excuses for disliking it

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I used to play a couple years ago but they changed everything so drastically that I can't even find my way around the shops now

>>387698989
>free-to-play doesn't even remotely imply 100% free
except it is

>Everybody knows that...
that's polemics
get your devastated ass out of here

>>387695917
This is very simple advise but is a good one.
we used to play on a local pcbang in days of garena there used to be some guys who taught us how to play along with only one friend we had there, they told us to follow guides, early on we had no sense of situation would just copy builds and that is good just focus on making your builds first and for doing that you will need money and for money learn last hitting, things like rune control jungling and warding will naturally come to you if you start playing and also fogging

>>387699224

So you're blaming valve for being an enabler but not the players for being irresponsible with their money?

You know, when you see the real world, and what people frivolously spend their money on, it's going to blow your fucking mind.

Also, you don't need to open chests to get items that are valuable, you can just play the game and get random drops. In short, people like looking cool, and rare items let them look a bit cooler than other people, people pay money for this, they always have and always will. Valve released the game completely free to players, this is already head and shoulders over LoL and HoTS. You literally have a free online game that you can play with friends.

>>387699731

The game is pretty balanced atm what with only 4 heroes being unpicked in the International

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>>387699397

>>387699397

If you have a middle finger you're half way there.

Check if purge has updated his guide on 'welcome to dota 2 you suck' it was a great guide for shitters.

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>>387699397
the fuck it shit

>>387700245
that was pretty good series, i agree

>>387699248
>dota is a game where sometimes the game is won at the draft

This is what I dislike about league babies. They'll cry about team composition and give up straight from the start. You can be the last pick in dota 2 and pick whatever you want and still kill people over and over until 30 minutes into the game. What matters is that you know the strengths, weaknesses and limitions of the hero you pick. Team composition doesnt matter in pubs, all you have to do is stick together as a team and follow proper etiquette, such as carrying a tp at all times and use it to defend teammates as soon as they're engaged.

Team composition only starts to matter when you play against professionally known players, because their beta orbiters will literally lane 4-0-1 / 5-0-0 from the start, just to protect their core.

>>387699731
The game's fairly balanced now though. Crazy game changing talents are mostly lv20-25 which is fairly late into the game, and most of them are on supports to help with their contributing into late game

The only really OP talents is Ember's 15% Magic damage amp at level 10 (nerfed now) and LD's bonus range and damage

>>387699397
Is this Dota on GAMEPAD?

>>387700007
Somuch this.
It always trigger me when valve made a great game in which all gameplay content is free and people buy shit for their own liking, people shit on valve.
same with tf2 no class is behind a paywall you can play that game for free but people blame valve for hats and shit same with cs games cs games are just one time pay and all things are just preferences like skins and shit but when ever it comes to csgo everyone flips their shit on skins. While there are games like aliance of valiant arms and warface where guns and shit are behind paywall

>>387700441
pretty much this, I've lost game where we had a "perfect" team comp versus 5 hard carries because my team doesn't understand the limitation of the team.

of course we lost versus 5 hard carries because we decided to farm for 50 minutes after losing all lanes. below 5k all that matters is mechanics, then you can worry about the rest.

>>387699248
>dota is a game where sometimes the game is won at the draft
It can be, but often game is partially lost at draft, but the players isn't good enough to salvage the laning stage.

Like, half the reason 2k players are 2k, is that they can't salvage bad drafts.

>>387700552
People like blaming the cause of things, TF2 invented the loot box shit, Dota 2 and CSGO popularized it and now every single last game has lootboxes. It's easy to hate on TF2 for Shadow of War (a single player game) having chests and loot boxes, dumb as fuck, but easy.

>>387697869
>>387697602
Where did I say this was a problem with the game design? It's pretty clear I was talking about how stupid the people who play it generally are. Your lack of reading comprehension only proves it.

>>387697491
spoken like a true scrub

Don't play DotA. They've ruined it
Plus, they straight up copied traits and healing fountains from HotS.
Clearly HotS is doing something right then.

>>387698169
>Buy this 0.02 magic resistance badge. You also have to because if you don't the enemy who did buy it will have an advantage
Wow, what a great f2p model

>>387701191

It is true that they included shrines, which is the same as HoTS, but I feel traits are innovative over "oh you just get stats now"

It makes the later levels far more appealing, it's crazy people get mad over developers copying good ideas from other developers.

Dota isn't ruined, I don't understand how you could draw that conclusion. This is also coming from a player that has played HoTS, league and Dota, I have played dota for 10 years so far and took a break for 2 years, I came back a few days ago after just hating what they did with League and I am enjoying DoTA just as much as I did previously.

>>387701191
Not really, HotS concept is that you shouldn't need to go back to base to heal everytime and the dota concept is another map controlling waypoint which can make your roaming characters a offlaners more effective.

They serve to absolutely different purposes.

>>387701752

err Meant to say that they included shrines which is the same as HoTS and included talents, but I feel traits are innovative.

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Is HotS fun in ranked or whatever?
I've only played quick match and it's practically no different from AI matches where nobody talks.

>>387701819
If you like playing a shit hero you don't want to play every now and then I guess it could be fun.

I don't know if I should play Hots, League, or Dota 2, can anyone who has played all 3 give an honest answer as to what's most new player friendly or fun to play?

>>387701040

The point of the matter is that don't be mad at ONLY game companies for trying to get more money, that's their job. They are a company just like any other company. There are two sides to a transaction, the person purchasing these boxes are just as much to blame.

If you don't want the boxes don't buy them and open them, if you have a gambling problem or looking cool is so important to you that you spend money on it then you have the option to do so.

Keep in mind that 10 dollar announcer packs (that valve had sold exclusively in their DoTA shop) are now going for like 1 dollar.

The shot does more good than harm, you can get very cheap cosmetic items that still look decent (if you care that much) by selling useless trading cards on the market, which for some reason people do purchase.

It's a nice little way to trade and you still haven't really spent a dime if you play video games on steam.

>Played dota2 a decent amount a few years ago (pre-void rework/map rework)
>Since then played both hots and leeg
>Want to get back into dota 2
>Don't remember enough to just jump back in
>Don't know about any of the patches
>Don't really have any friends who still play it

Rip.

>>387701819
It's fun with friends but hots in general is pretty meh solo.

>>387701191
>they ruined it
How? This is one of the better patches. Nostalgiafags I swear..

>>387702307
HotS is pretty new player friendly. You don't have to worry about items or last hits.

>>387695389
Just watch the Purge and Day9 stuff

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AyrC5Ki31c

>>387695389
There are plenty of "basics of" tutorials out there that show you the fundamentals. Everything past that though you're on your own. Just look up strat/hero vids and watch every one that you find. There really is no limit to how much you can learn about it and every little bit you learn will make you a better player.

>>387702378
Thank you, gonna give it a shot.

>>387701191
>they ruined it
Yeah man I want to go back and play against HO HO HA HA

>>387702692
There's a /vg/ channel you can join to play with other baddies and have some witty meme banter if you feel like it.

>>387696365
I agree with HotS being fun but come on, most maps are not good and there's like maybe four decent ones. It's fun to play normie mode but ranked is meh

>>387702307
Most new friendly is definitely hots. It's also the shortest, and excels in the team fights (you can do them from minute 1, as everyone starts with all their moves unlike dota or league). There's no last hits, no items, it's much more about map objectives (its the only one with varying maps) but the map objectives also end up being much more important than player skill so it can feel like you dont have much of an impact.

Dota is much more player skill reliant, and is the only one with all the heroes unlocked from the get go. It has a lot more freedom than the other two, but of course that comes hand in hand with being harder. You can do some really weird builds and team comps that you can't really do in league or hots. It's also the longest matches

League is kind of a middle point. It's shorter and more beginner friendly than dota, the opposite compared to hots. There's a pretty firmly established meta and riot seems pretty keen on keeping it that way.

>>387702307

Most friendly: HoTS, since it has the least number of things to keep track of in a game. You don't need to worry about items or gold income. Objectives are key, and usually the sole way to get an advantage in the game. Jungle mobs are interesting since once you kill them you can ally them and they help you win.

Dota: Item choices are equally important if not more important than skills. You can deny or last hit towers, minions, use jungle camps to disrupt or "hold back" a lane so that the lane creeps don't continue pushing.
Stuns, roots and invisibility, as well as mobility through items such a blink dagger and force staff force players to be more weary of their movement across the map. Heroes are also much more mobile out of the box. This game is probably the least new player friendly. The saving grace is that everything is unlocked the moment you begin to play, so you can try every hero. Heroes also don't have many "preset" lanes. It is more liberal than League in this way.

LoL: A mixed bag. Composition and counter picking goes a long way, there are no tower denies or creep denies and combat usually happens much more quickly (as far as outgoing and incoming damage goes) Abilities play a larger role than items, since items influence abilities much more than they do in dota (as far as damage output) unless you are in a designated role such as support. League does not allow for more varied team compositions than Dota and often has different champions meant for different lanes. Jungle is highly simplified compared to Dota. This is the middle ground for new players since you need to purchase champions with in game points that you get for playing (or purchase them with money) this is like HoTS.

>>387702943
Jungle is more simple but also more developed in leeg, cause it's a legitimate roll. In dota there's only a handful of heroes that can start in the jungle, it's more of a mid to late game farming tool, at least last time I played.

>>387703178
Jungle in Dota 2 is an early laning tool (pull) and a mid-game farming tool (stack) overall. They are less efficient than farming lane creeps without stacks

>>387695389

Dota2 was a flash in the pan. PUBG is the future, and League is the MOBA of choice going forward.

>>387703378
I've been gone for a long time, are there still good jungle starters? Ursa and lifestealer were prob the best 2 if I remember right.

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>playing online team-based games in 2017

The online community has never been more cancerous. The devs coddling and protecting 3rd world subhumans like Turks on EU and Peruvians on US doesn't help either.

>>387703178

You're not wrong, although many times heroes can use the jungle as an alternative if their lane is going poorly, if they leveled.

Some new items allow for assisted jungling, I just started playing DoTA again recently and I really like the new liberties some of the new items give. But I agree that there are more champions that can go into the jungle before heroes in dota, sure.

>>387696215
you're making the right choice
dota will suck the life out of you

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>Give up the core dream
>Play lich, necro or AA every game
>Winning almost every game
God damn, feels good.

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>tfw just threw 65 minute game going for racks instead of throne
>tfw losing with jugg with 20-4-16 stats
props to support venge and bane tho, game would have been over 30 minutes earlier without them
sven magnus is just too bullshit, one good rp and game over

>>387703667
>necro is not a core
I'm sorry, what?

>>387703489
Everyone can start at jungle now since there's Iron Talon (active that deal 40% current HP on creeps and has Quelling Blade's passive) and Poor Man Shield get buffed, doing meme position for range heroes, and good ol' summons like Chen, Enchant, Enigma

The question is why would you, since the lane gets really weakened and supports really love to roam this patch

>>387703679
> bane
I'm sorry for your loss

>>387695389
just play it
unlock ranked and start playing with more than just feeding ratas

>>387703529
>protecting
????????????

what do you mean by this, you american race mixed mongoloid

>>387695389
You don't.
At this point, Dota is packed full of stupid shit to appease the neckbeards who have 10,000 hours in it dating back to WC3. They kept bloating it with niche little mechanics and features to keep the hardcore fans playing and turned it into a mess new players have to spend a thousand hours to pick up.

Legit, ALL of the best newbie guides will tell you, "You won't be good at Dota. Ever. You may become competent by the time you're hundreds of hours in, but even many people who have played Dota since WC3 never got there."

Dota is not a game for anyone but the die hard fans who have been good at it since WC3.

>>387695660
>missing the point
you can't just "start" cs, skills from any other fps won't transfer and you can't intuitivley learn from losses like you could in say fighting games

>>387704218
>you can't just "start" cs
I refuse to believe this. CS is all but complex. just be fast and learn to aim

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Another reason why nobody should play ASSFAGGOTS is the forced 50 mechanic.

Have you noticed that once in a while you get that one game where you absolutely stomp the enemy team? That's your carrot, your high. Other matches exist only for you to try and carry braindead retards who only play the game for the hats. So you continue to endure this absolute humiliation for that one game where you can stomp the enemy.

If you're at least a half-decent player, you WILL be subject to forced 50, because the retards can't carry themselves and will simply quit. And if the retards don't play the game, they won't spend any shekels, goy.

>>387703983

I'm not even American, you stupid, pathetic inbred abomination that hasn't even heard of proper punctuation.

Whenever you raise the question of segregating the community to avoid racial and national clashes on the official forums or Steam, suddenly you're a "racist" and immediately get banned without any reason.

Play Dota if it's the only game you will ever play and you have to commit to it. It's a huge timesink and may only be rewarding 2000 hours in.

Remember the time when Overwatch hit and most gamers migrated to play it. Dota didn't. . Dota players don't care about FOTM games and only play Dota. Dota players don't even know other video games exist

>>387704218
Naaaaaah nigga your straight up wrong.
>stand still and crouch instead of pressing RMB to shoot accurately
>listen to footsteps
>learn map routes
>learn nade spots
>learn callouts

map layout is something you do in every shooter, nade spots and footstepts are things you do in fucking call of duty, the only real learning is map callouts and the their importance, everything else carries over pretty well

I hate in LoL how the game is different for beginners. You gotta spend hours to reach meta level 30, then spend hours to grind runes that give +0,5 attack and bullshit like that, punishing you from experimenting with different roles as you'll have less effectful runes. Veterans seem to ignore this as they've already done that shit years ago. It also sucks that they release new hero every month or two (or atleast they did back then) that breaks the game while having a bunch of useless old heroes that can't keep up because they lack mobility skills.

>>387703529
>>387704632
>"The online community has never been more cancerous."
>meanwhile "his own posts"
Jesus. This is real irony

>>387705140

The leveling system and rune/mastery unlocks are just stupid to have since it changes the game almost entirely at "end game" level.

MOBAS shouldn't have end game content. Puts a lot of LoL players off.

>>387695389
Don't. Just plat HoTS.... Easier to get into

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>>387697228
You'd be surprised how bad it can get

>>387705353

Your feefees getting hurt is not an argument.

Now, provide an argument that states why I'm wrong.

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The thing that the retards on /v/ don't understand about Dota 2, is that they're playing the epitome of competitive games. There isn't anything that can even compare to dota. I will never ever discourage someone from playing it. I've been playing since 9/23/2012, and outside of a few breaks, I'm easily over 4k hours played between my main and a few alts.

The important things to remember when you're starting dota 2 are this.

1. Play with friends. Holy shit is this important. I would never ever have stuck with it if I didn't have people to play with. In turn, I've gotten everyone of my close friends to at least try the game, even if they didn't continue playing. The most important thing about dota is playing with your friends. People may disagree with me on this, but there's no reason to just mindlessly solo q. Most of my friends are sub-3k, and will never learn, and yet that is better to me than any ranked game.

2. Make sure you know what heroes you want to play. You're new to the game, the roster is seemingly endless, focus on a few at a time. Makes sure you have a few strong cores (sven, axe, viper, necro) and a support or two (ogre magi, lich, lion) and then work out from there.

3.Follow guides! Go to the bottom right, click the gold counter, look at the top of the blade of the basic guide, and find a guide for your hero in your lane. I followed guides for hundreds of hours, I learned why they built the items, and why they skilled the way they did, and I slowly gained the cumulative knowledge of every item and skill in the game.'

4. Mute everyone who bothers you slightly. They're worthless. Mute everyone who speaks spanish. Mute anyone that pings too much. Mute anyone that shit talks at all. I still follow this policy, they do not help you improve, they don't provide you anything, just ignore them.

I really don't play ranked at all, so my experiences there are very limited, according to my dotabuff, I have 610 ranked games, and a total of 3045 games.

>>387705454
dude old dota hud was so fuking good
also
> no carries

>>387701819
It's extremely casualized dota. Most players suck terribly - I got to masters despite being shit at Dota. Good if you don't have enough energy for the more in-depth game.

>>387699205
Might be, friend. That or MOBAs aren't my thing. Couldn't get into LoL 7 years ago when I first heard about it, can't get into dota now

>>387699219
Thanks

>>387699269
I played with some friends about a year ago. They were better at the game, and I dragged them down every match we played. It wasn't a pleasant experience.

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>>387705454
There are so many things wrong in that image

>>387695456
fpbp

>>387705773
>I played with some friends about a year ago.
> they start doing retarded shit
> ahahah this is so funny lol bro teleport people with wisp to corner of the map and kill courier
> I thought they are just getting this out of their system and we will play normaly later on
> this went on for 10 fuking games in a row

>>387705475
>"The online community has never been more cancerous."
>3rd world subhumans
>"you stupid, pathetic inbred abomination that hasn't even heard of proper punctuation."
>"Your feefees getting hurt is not an argument."
I'm not even him. It's just funny. High level hypocrisy.

>>387706304

Not an argument.

Thin-skinned cucks that can't handle the tiniest bit of polemics do NOT constitute a good online community.

I'm hostile to your kind because I've been on the internet for over 15 years and I've seen how shitty it's become since more and more normies started pouring in.

>>387706605
Dude, Dota2 community is really awful! Fucking normies, shitskins and other subhumans! This is why we can't have nice things

>>387707194

>dude, strawman, lmao

Can I have that argument now? Thanks.

>>387707194
>>387706605
>>387706304
Honestly though, fuck russians on eu west.

>>387707498
I would take a russian 100 times over turks/germans or brits

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>>387707380
Argument for what? You're part of problem. Stop acting like some /b/ or /pol/ tard. Be kind like Jesus.
>>387707498
I don't think most russians enjoy playing with other russians too

>>387698885
>even though it's not valve that makes the prices, it's the owners of the cosmetic items.
>proceed to create super exclusive good looking sets that are not marketable or tradeable only giftable ONCE
>the trash ones you get 23523424325 times
>same goes for the single items

hmm

>>387695389
Reddit has a lot of these and in this regard their links are useful. If you're lazy just search Welcome to Dota, You Suck by Purge

>>387708127

>Argument for what?

For why forcefully segregating the community to avoid racial/national tensions is a bad thing.
For why bad players in such an extremely competitive game don't deserve to be hazed to hell and back instead of being protected by Valve.

>>387708483
No one owes you anything in random match. Absolutely. Screaming in mic like a little bitch from /pol/ will not make your game better.

>>387699731
icefrog introduced them to make balance easier
now he can not only directly buff/nerf certain aspects of heroes but he can choose what stage of the game to do it at
ability too strong/frustrating early but falls of late? just nerf it and give it a talent at level 20
game is more balanced than it's ever been
somewhere around 4 heroes didn't get picked at the international

>>387695389
there is a man who has dedicated a large portion of his life to making advanced and widely praised dota tutorials for beginners and you would know this if you just typed your question into google you stupid fuck

>>387695389
The dots 2 subreddit might have updated guides, though you could also search for "purge welcome to dota, you suck". The dota 2 general on /vg/ might actually be the most up to date actually. The sticky usually has useful information.

>>387704951
But shooting and movement is completely different from other FPS titles. If you don't use show_impacts on empty server and just strafe, run and shoot you'll never actually get what is going on with the gun mechanics. If you can't shoot, you really don't progress nor win games. At least not on info and nades alone.

Or you know, you can watch youtube tutorials which cover basic shooting and rest is just muscle memory.

>>387695636
LoLfag spotted

>>387709018

The issues I'm talking about are bigger than me having shitty games. They concern pretty much every player.

These issues must be solved globally, by the developers, but the developers turn a blind eye to them because they are """controversial""" and would attract stink from the modern soft cuck SJW online community.

This isn't just about Dota either. Other online games are suffering from this as well.

>>387699253
diffusal is great against WK because it forces him to take a fairly garbage talent. Wraithfire blast on death is far better and when it was 25+ life steal it wasn't even a fucking comparison.

What do you guys think of siltbreaker?

I feel like they let act 1 go on for way too fucking long, and act 2 has less than a month to play and still isnt very good.

Id also LOVE if an mmo (like Wow) did something like DotA as a battleground, something closer to the viewpoint of SMITE only not as bad

>>387710215
Siltbreaker lacks depth and any kind of real inspiration. Default abilities on heroes and no real interesting loot or items.

It's pretty showing that even Valve can't be bothered to make a decent custom game for Dota 2. If Valve were the least bit competent they would have focused on creating a decent editor for dota 2 whilst creating a slew of custom assets, instead we get get broken custom games and half-baked generic Valve custom games every now and then that can't at all compete with 10 year old WC3 custom maps.

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Why aren't you playing Paragon, /v/? It has actual graphics.

>>387710846
>Paragon,
Not on steam?

>>387710846
because it's boring, the heroes are shallow and the game more closely emulates League of Legends than Dota or HoN or HoTS.

>>387710846
I wish it had more than graphics.

>>387696215
You're an inspiration anon

>>387697372
you realize SC2 has way better multiplayer than BW

>>387711524
>better multiplayer
????
In what way exactly? The balancing for SC2 is all over the fucking place and the unit readability is just fucking garbage, which is part of the reason why SC2 is fucking dead.

>>387710092
>These issues must be solved globally
Nah. Impossible. 5 random people in one game. Everyone think about himself as leader and hate other players in team. All of them want to win pretty hard. If someone dies he will blame others no matter what. Your best random boys turns into imbeciles after one failed gank. Nothing can solve this. Lazy ant theory.

>>387710846
>actual graphics
>game where it takes 5 shots from a shotgun to kill a creep
no thanks anon i had enough of that shit in the division

>>387695389
Acknowledge that you're trash
Play against bots
Watch the Day9 learns dota series