Why is this game so unappreciated?

It's preceded by better games

>>387640052
because the second half of the game is a slog

Only cucks hate this game.

*burp*

People expected more of the same and were annoyed by some of the changes

It has faults, sure, but it's still a very effective and disturbing entry in the series. People who have played PT but not played this, you might (re)consider. There is a specific vibe in this game that for me was also present in PT.

It's an experimental game and not really a proper sequel. I get the hate but I liked it anyway. It feels like a more balanced survival horror than the previous games and still had Yamaoka working his magic.

if it didnt have good atmosphere it would have been completely forgotten

It's not. It feels horrible to play and none of the places save Henrys apartment complex is interesting

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>>387640052
I loved the atmosphere.
soundtrack is absolute madness https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HH2TnKokmYs

It does get boring halfway through but its a recurrent pattern for horror games.

I had this as a kid and hated it. Cold never figure out what to do, eventually gave up and never played another silent hill game again

>>387640052
It's silly and poorly made. Plus it was made by Team Silent B team, so we don't even need to defend it to protect Team Silent's reputation or anything. Sh1-3 are the official SH games, the rest is the rest.

That burping monster had me laughing and then annoyed.

this trailer is actually better than the game
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0vPhc63rk8

>>387641206
This trailer is some legit weird stuff.

>>387640052
It's not actually a real silent hill game. It was a finished game that was repurposed with silent hill assets to push a game out the door like SMB2 USA

>>387642718
>t. revisionist

It was always a Silent Hill game during the actual development. It only started out as The Room in concept stages.

What....the hell?

No Heather in it.

>>387643454
Also Konami didn't give a fuck, they just wanted to keep churning out horror games and repeat SH2's success, which of course failed.

>>387640943
Fuck you faggt

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loved the ghosts because they tied into the story and couldn't really be killed

Repetitive plus non-killable enemies are always shit in any game. Doesn't help the three before it were so great.

>>387644236
The thing is that the ghosts go completely against everything Silent Hill was about. Even Homecoming did a better job in depicting how the soul of tortured people looks like in the otherworld.

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>>387640145
fpbp

Why do people shit on Homecoming's combat system? Let's be honest, it was a vast improvement over the original system where monsters were damn near impossible to kill unless you stepped on them. Seriously, whose idea was it to make stepping on them the killing blow?

guys I downloaded SH2 from the pastebin but the link to the fog fix doesn't work

Is there an alt link?

>>387645109
Fogfix is easy to find:
http://ps2wide.net/pc.html#sh2

For all your PC gaming needs, use this website:
https://pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/Silent_Hill_2:_Director%27s_Cut#Silent_Hill_2_Fog_Fix

>>387645647
Also use these values, to make similar to PS2 version:
[FOG]

fog_custom_on = 1 // 0 - Off; 1 - On;

fog_transparency_layer1 = 160 // original value 128;
fog_transparency_layer2 = 160 // original value 128;

fog_layer1_x1 = 0.750 // original value 0.125;
fog_layer1_x2 = 0.750 // original value 0.125;
fog_layer1_y1 = 0.750 // original value 0.125;
fog_layer1_y2 = 0.750 // original value 0.125;

fog_layer2_density_mult = 1.5 // original value 1.0;
fog_layer2_density_add = 100.0 // original value 0.0;

fog_layer2_complexity = 0.066406 // original value 0.048828;

>>387645647
kys

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It was different from the first 3 in a lot of ways.
>No flashlight
>Radio is basically a redlight for the apartment's haunted level
>A much more lengthy escort session than what was seen in SH2
>The story taking the cult to somewhat cartoonish levels of villainy

That, and I think people were put off by how it appeared both it and RE4 were going for "something new and refreshing" for their fourth entries. Granted, They were scarcely similar in what they changed, but they were different enough from their respective predecessors all the same that it's only reasonable to see people not liking what both games were trying out. Still, The Room was pretty fun for what it was, and a much more preferable swan song compared to the crap we got after.

>>387645647
>>387645794
Thanks

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>>387645863
Why kys?

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>>387644851
>The thing is that the ghosts go completely against everything Silent Hill was about
How so? We rarely saw true spirits within the series beforehand. Lisa was a figment created by Alessa, the ghosts Maria met were never seen so who knows if they even had any kind of "form" to speak of, and whatever pushed Heather in the tracks or chased her in the haunted house are pretty much never going to explained.

>>387646289
Hes had a bad day

>>387640052
I love it.

It's like the Gummo of video games.

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What would be your personal horror if you entered Silent Hill /v/?

What do you feel guilty of?

>>387646696
Probably that futanari porn I fap to

>>387646289
>>387646395
It's true :(

>>387640178
Second half gets even better. I don't get why there is this meme where it is regarded as one of the worst things in gaming to go back through a level. As long as it is done well and not overused I see no issue with this.

>>387647903
While The Room manages to make the backtracking somewhat refreshing because of the altered worlds, part of the issue was that for some, those levels weren't all that engaging the first time around.

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>you will never explore the outskirts of Silent Hill

>>387640052
It is bad as a Silent Hill game, but a great survival horror game. I replayed it so many times...

I want to suck Heather Mason's dick!

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>>387648358
Heather's a girl, dude.

>>387640052
Because it's a piece of shit

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>>387640052

This version is better

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Fuck this faggot.

>>387648112
I liked them. I mean I haven't played the game in awhile but I did play it at least a few times so I remember much of how they were. I remember the prison level being some of the best shit I've seen in a SH game. It even had some alternate paths to go through. Plus the room gave for some pretty cool horror moments.

>>387648678
He's a bigger SH fan than you, you know.

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>>387648764
No, he isn't.

>>387647903
the game turns into absolute tedium at that point, and while I don't inherently dislike backtracking it's absolutely frustrating with SH4's systems, especially the unkillable enemies

>>387648412
Still better than Shitcumming, Pisspour, and Shatturd Cummies

>>387649328
>not Pisspoor

>>387649328
Relative to those games anything can be a masterpiece

>>387649224
Maybe if you are awful at video games I can see it being tedious but it was a pretty intense game in the second half to me.

>>387647903
>>387648112
In the original Silent Hill games the player also had to replay the levels except the they were all hellish and with metal grating everywhere and stuff. The problem with SH4 is that the levels are just so boring and there is nothing interesting in them, it's just corridors or open ended areas with trees and that's it, there are no blocked paths that make the level look bigger than it really is, no missing floors that lead into the abyss. The original games had highly detailed environments and every corner had different imagery, it was filled with weird things that made the player think "what the hell happened here?" all the time.

For example, this shack alone(>>387648172) is more interesting than the entire forest level of SH4 and they're supposedly located in the same area.

>>387649639
Not to mention the SH1 levels were fairly short in both halves, but formed a nice and lengthy experience when going through both "sides" of them. The problem with the Room's dark worlds is that there's not much difference since you're already in a twisted version of the places, with the retreads being just "even more so" than before.

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>>387648398
>not knowing the truth

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>>387650274
>he thinks his bullshit head-canon is the truth

>>387649524
Nah, the second half of SH4 is like a really shitty attempt to replicate the kind of tension that made Resident Evil so popular but without any of the nuance of those games. The bulk of Silent Hill's horror doesn't even come from its design, rather its atmosphere, but SH4 suddenly decides halfway through that it's going to force you to carefully manage your inventory and search for obscure items to help seal away unstoppable enemies. This comes at the cost of variety, since you're exploring the same levels that you've already investigated and built a tolerance to, and their design doesn't do a good job of accommodating the new gameplay style in the same way that RE's interconnected spaces do. The result is a bland retread through stages that aren't scary anymore, trying to protect eileen from annoying, unkillable enemies and just hoping that the whole ordeal can end as soon as possible. The final area isn't even a good payoff for all that labor, either. Just a total waste of potential.

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>>387640052
I really liked the apartment in first person view, it's also on of the Sh with the most eery and hostile atmosphere after SH3 in my opinion.
I like it a lot more than SH1.

Also this trailer is the most evil shit ever created by mankind
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GW_is7yL6_U

>>387649764
I think that's the main problem, the worlds haven't changed that much. If the worlds were different the next time you see them it would be much better. The atmosphere and design of the levels is still top tier, tho

>>387651873
They do change, it's just that the changes are some more creepy shit, which some of them were already present the first go around. It lacks the severity of change seen in the first 3 games where the changes were like night and day.

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>>387648505
This is the one I printed and slipped in the front of the case.

>>387650692
i remember rewatching that trailer a lot at the time. terrific. never played the gaem though.

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>when the fan falls down in the apartment room

>>387653068
it doesn't really compare

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>>387653161
>The one safe area you had in the game is now the most dangerous part
>Late game just visiting the room makes you lose health unless you constantly maintain it with scarce resources

>>387640052
It's nowhere near as good as 2 and 3.

>>387655113
this sounds really cool in concept but it's just annoying in practice

>>387650274
Don't be a silly billy, Heather was pregnant, men can't get pregnant.

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>>387655268
I guess that's sh4 in a nutshell. Escorting Eileen was one of the most annoying things I've ever experienced in vidya. Makes me wonder why I played the game 20 times start to finish

>>387655268
It's not actually that hard to deal with but rather the means of dealing with it are incredibly obscured to the player.

>Entire second half of the game is a retread of previous areas, and an escort mission, and the AI is shit and causes model collision.
>Some bosses take a comical amount of time to kill for a SH game
>Henry is a blank slate of a character with no emotional tie to the events of the game
>Final setpiece is a blatant Evangelion ripoff
>General lack of good setpieces
>Enemy designs are mostly forgettable or retreads of previous enemy designs.

Underappreciated my ass.

>>387641206
what

never seen this shit. i played this game twice and never watched the trailer. the second time i did it with my niece, she was like 11 years old and those two face thingies freaked the hell out of her.

Did Origins slightly ruin Alessa's character for anyone else? Her and Heather are still my fase, just don't like how that game handled her.

Am I the inly person that considers 1-4 the inly canon entries and everything else fan fiction?

>>387656338
>Am I the inly person that considers 1-4 the only canon entries and everything else fan fiction?
pretty sure most fans think this way, or they just don't give a fuck about canon

>>387655268
I think that was the intended purpose. The latter half of SH4 is a constant tension filled experience.

>>387656641
>The latter half of SH4 is a constant tension filled experience.
As I explained up here >>387650530, I don't think the approach works well for it, even if it was intentional.

>>387640052
Because it's bad.

>it's another "you have to run from unspeakable horrors but can't even see where the fuck you're going" episode
The camera is the scariest enemy in the entire series

>>387640892
IMO silent hill 3 has the best OST of the series

>>387657496
That's why Sonic is also a classic horror series.

>>387651696
this looks nice where's it from?

>>387657496
>the camera is awful meme

The camera was mostly fine in the games. The camera in DMC sucked because platforming with bad camera is never a good mix. Silent Hill you just run and do combat. There isn't even any evade buttons besides simply moving.

>>387646696
There would be no one else there to symbolize my loneliness.

>>387658781
No the camera sucks in DMC because it doesn't use tank controls. Tanks controls is perfect for games with a fixed camera that likes to keep changing because up is always forward no matter where your character is facing.

>>387655696
>>Final setpiece is a blatant Evangelion ripoff
No it wasn't

Now I don't hate the game, but...

-no bosses
-second half of game is an escort mission through places you've already been
-visible health indicator
-uninteresting/unnecessary characters
-designs overall lack the visual flare and depth of previous games


+Tried new stuff
+Interesting plot
+Creepy atmosphere
+Sweet soundtrack (although a lot of good tracks don't even appear in the finished game)

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>>387658134
Just something I found lurking the net

>>387640052
Obviously because it disappointed because people were expecting something as good as the first games. Still, it's a good game.

this thread has alot of good responses

this is worth a watch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaPNuBK4UNM

>>387660314
>-no bosses
These games never really ever had good boss fights though.
>-second half of game is an escort mission through places you've already been
It really wasn't that bad or hard. Plus you can cure Eileen in the game with a candle.
>-visible health indicator
Kind of necessary due to the way the game was designed.
>-uninteresting/unnecessary characters
???
>-designs overall lack the visual flare and depth of previous games
Sort of yeah. It definitely feels the most different up to the point it was released. Some of the monster designs were great though.

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Pretty clear cut Lilith/Spear of Linginus ripoff here. If it'd just been one of them, maybe, but with both it's insulting to argue otherwise.

>>387661895
interesting video, definitely gave me a new perspective on some parts of the game, though I don't think every piece of the experience supports this guy's interpretation

About to play Homecoming, what can I expect? I mean positives, all I hear is people shit on the game, what are some pluses?

>>387663186
it's got a good soundtrack

>>387663186
I enjoyed the atmosphere.

Despite the criticism it still felt like a silent hill game.

>>387663256
Obviously, Yamoaka worked on it.

>>387646696
I've jerked off to my cousins.

>>387655542
I wanna cum on eileen

>>387663064
It really isn't a ripoff, idiot.

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>>387663064
>tfw I never managed to save the girl

>>387664380
kys

>Inventory system that limits how much you can carry, but then pushes you to constantly backtrack to the room for items needed for puzzles
>Large groups of enemies that are often times fast, meaning combat can sometimes turn into a cluster fuck of cheap hits
>Large, somewhat uninteresting areas to explore that neither nail the atmosphere of the open town of Silent Hill nor the tight cohesion of smaller puzzle areas
>Fantastic enemy designs ruined by public domain sound effects, such as dogs having a jaguar roar and the walking zombie things letting out a generic cartoonish burp sound
>Enemy types early on that are basically invincible, go through shit, chase constantly, and hurt you just by being near
>Reused environments alongside an escort mission of sorts, which isn't as bad as some people make it out to be, but is still lazy and a poor design choice
>Motherfucking enemy wheelchairs that hit you, spin around, pop a wheelie, then keep rolling on

The game had an amazing atmosphere, especially with the room idea, and the music/designs were right up there with other Silent Hill games. Everything to do with playing the game though feels like an outright downgrade or just plain breaks any theme/immersion they tried to get going. I know people hate hearing shit like this, but if it was called anything else, like just "The Room", it would've been way better. But because it's labeled as SH4, it's difficult to not make comparisons to past entries.

Best SH game imo.
I use a lot of the OST to sleep.

>>387665021
Yeah, I tend to fall asleep playing SH4 too.

>>387658134
its a crossover from that one movie Little Miss Sunshine.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0449059/mediaviewer/rm431985152

>>387663186
Good music, atmosphere, and for the most part enemies. It is a game that tries to be Silent Hill 2 as much as possible. If you liked SH2 you will most likely enjoy this to some extent. It's not the best game, but it's decent. It doesn't live up to Silent Hill tier standards. I enjoyed it, but still acknowledge it's flaws.

Don't play Downpour though, I can't say anything positive about that game besides maybe a few shortly-lived sections.

>>387668967
Downpour was probably my favourite silent hill game in recent years.

Amazing how divided people can be on it.

>>387640052

Because it was the first 8/10 Silent Hill game. Nowadays its more appreciated because Homecoming, Downpour and that godawful Vita Arpg exists.

>>387644851

>The thing is that the ghosts go completely against everything Silent Hill was about.

Not really, visually they followed the same kind of design Memory of Alessa did in SH3, even when they were obviously inspired by the victims in the movie The Cell where you go inside a murderers head.

>>387663186

Its shit, been playing the franchise since the first one came out and Homecoming was so fucking bad and missed the whole point of the games so hard that it made me angry. Its the second worst game in the franchise, while Downpour is third worst.

/v/, we all need to join together to bring Silent Hills back!

>>387669750

Have you seen what Konami is currently doing with Metal Gear Solid? No, just let it remain dead until the IP switches owners or Kotaku has its headquarters murdered and replaced with more skilled people.

>>387669750
The kind of development environment, the talent and the love they put on those games just can't be replicated nowadays.